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Pinball Olympics Championship Edition

Fresh Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 28m·analyzed·Oct 28, 2024
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TL;DR

Post-Pinball Olympics recap covering new games, custom builds, and upcoming Halloween event.

Summary

Fresh Pinball Podcast post-Pinball Olympics recap featuring hosts discussing new games, custom machines, and event highlights including Cactus Canyon party mode, TNA booth upgrades, and the failed treadmill challenge. Hosts also preview an upcoming Quarter Up Halloween party with multiple pinball machines.

Key Claims

  • Cactus Canyon at Pinball Olympics featured party mode with 50 flips instead of balls, added by P-Rock modification about 10 years ago via Pinside community project

    high confidence · Jeff describes extensive research into P-Rock coding modifications and Pinside thread discovery during drive back

  • Chicago Gaming Company's Cactus Canyon remake will include Drunken Multiball mode in the upgrade kit

    high confidence · Jeff states 'Drunken Multiball will be on it' based on CGC tour information during Expo

  • Steve Prusa (Cleveland area) is building a custom Big Bang Bar from scratch using flipper football donor cabinet

    medium confidence · Jeff mentions Prusa working on custom build, visited Mike Paysacks for parts, still needs original playfield

  • TNA booth featured double the amps, double the lights, and shaker motors compared to previous year

    high confidence · Zach describes booth upgrades and observations during Pinball Olympics

  • Pinball Olympics treadmill challenge was cancelled due to safety issues - machine stuck at maximum speed causing dangerous conditions

    high confidence · Multiple hosts describe organizers pulling the event, Jeff retained 'undefeated champ' status

  • Quarter Up Halloween party (October 28) will feature Munsters, Scared Stiff, Dracula, Avatar, Looney Tunes, Bond 60th, Elton John, Lebowski, and potentially America's Most Haunted and Ghostbusters Pro

    high confidence · Corbin details current and planned game lineup for event

  • Jeff played Toy Story 4 at media mixer with missing right flipper button, used a drink straw as temporary solution

    high confidence · Jeff and Kyle describe the incident at Interium media mixer during Expo

  • Steve Ritchie rated the brisket at Jersey Jack VIP party as 'two out of ten'

    high confidence · Jeff quotes Ritchie's critique at VIP party on Friday

Notable Quotes

  • “So it's an original. And on Pinside, I found a thread. And some guy about 10 years ago started working on a project to add more features to Cactus Canyon.”

    Jeff @ ~15:00 — Explains discovery of P-Rock modification history that enabled party mode at Pinball Olympics

  • “I literally jumped on it, and he's like, I was running full sprint, and within four to five seconds, I was at the back of the thing.”

    Unknown organizer (quoted by speaker) @ ~35:00 — Explains why treadmill challenge was cancelled - safety hazard from excessive speed

  • “you're still the champ because it's undefeated. So I'll take it.”

    Jeff @ ~38:00 — Jeff retains treadmill challenge champion title despite event cancellation

  • “Kyle to his credit Fixed the flipper button By using one of his drink straws To flip the right flipper”

    Corbin (narrating) @ ~48:00 — Humorous solution to missing flipper button at media mixer

  • “don't eat that shit. He's like, two out of ten. That's what he said. Gordon Ramsay wouldn't eat this shit.”

    Jeff (quoting Steve Ritchie) @ ~55:00 — Steve Ritchie's critique of Jersey Jack VIP party catering

  • “It's probably one of the top events of like ever. Yeah, exactly.”

    Kyle and Corbin @ ~62:00 — Hosts express enthusiasm about Pinball Olympics as a premier industry event

  • “I mean, come on. There's a lineup up there. I mean, Avatar's back up there. Yep, a little bit. Looney Tunes, Bond 60th.”

    Corbin @ ~72:00 — Details Quarter Up Halloween party game lineup

Entities

Cactus CanyongamePinball OlympicseventJeffpersonKylepersonCorbinpersonZach AngelipersonChicago Gaming CompanycompanyTNA (The Addams Family)game

Signals

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    community_signal: Media mixer and VIP events at Expo providing direct access to manufacturers and legendary designers; hosts and attendees value face-to-face interaction with industry figures

    high · Hosts describe meaningful interactions with Jersey Jack, Steve Ritchie, and Jersey Jen at VIP party; media mixer described as special opportunity

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinball Olympics positioned as top-tier annual event with experiential game stations, themed environments (Congo tent), and social gathering attracting dedicated players; hosts rank it among best pinball events of all time

    high · Multiple hosts describe it as 'one of the top events of like ever' and express high engagement with non-traditional game modes and community interaction

  • ?

    community_signal: Fresh Pinball Podcast hosts actively curating and maintaining rotating game lineup at Quarter Up venue, trading machines monthly while maintaining strategic consistency (WPC with WPC, Stern with Stern); hosts demonstrate deep knowledge of location operations

    high · Corbin states turning over ~2 games per month out of ~25 total; maintains strategic organization using Pinball Map

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Growing interest in non-traditional pinball game modes (party mode with flip limits, stall ball, flip-count modes on modern games like Avengers and Godzilla); hosts see these as engaging alternatives to standard scoring

    high · Multiple game modes discussed across Cactus Canyon, Avengers, Rick and Morty, Godzilla; hosts express enthusiasm: 'It's like flipper football almost, too. It's a different game on its own'

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Zach, Jeff, Zach. Kelsey. You better be Kelsey. Kelsey goes more than I do. Shh, shh, shh. Stay tuned for Talking Trailers with Corbin Angel.
0:30
I think it was you today. I called you E6 that time. That's a lot. Seven times. Sorry, sorry. I love that you still have my not real name in there as your contact. Dude, that's what you're in my phone as.
0:47
Oh, Nintendo cabinet. Appreciate that. It's the original reason. Welcome everyone to season three, episode eight of the Fresh Pinball Podcast. the four of us sit around this merry little rectangular table to titillate your ears with some post expo pinball talk to my left the man who i've called at least half a dozen times today on the telephone just counting mr corbin angeli corbin how we feeling buddy what's cooking i'm just happy to be recording i feel like we've been slacking on the recording thing lately and i'm excited it was summer though we're busy it's getting chilly out we're getting back into the pinball and getting back into the recording. I mean, pinball, we do a lot of pinball every day, but still recording of the pinball. I give us a little bit of credit, though, because I was listening back to our previous episode earlier today to make any notes that I needed to make, and we questioned whether or not we would record again before the quarter-up Halloween party, and here we are. There we are.
1:46
That's good. I'm excited to talk about that, too, because I've got some good games up there. We've got some other stuff coming. You've been building it up. It's going to be a good time. But, yeah, we'll circle back to that here in a little bit. And to Corbin's left, we have Zach Angeli, my GTO partner in crime. How are we doing, buddy? Oh, pretty good. You know, just hanging with my pinball pals. Got the ride in the GTO today. How were the numbers looking on the way over there? It was looking pretty good. The only number I saw that was looking bad was the mile per hour. It wasn't fast enough. We'll get that up on the ride home.
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Steve Prusaperson
P-Rockproduct
Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
Steve Ritchieperson
Barrels of Funcompany
Spooky Pinballcompany
Fresh Pinball Podcastorganization
Toy Story 4game
Godfathergame
Dave Sousaperson
Kevin Mainperson

event_signal: Treadmill challenge at Pinball Olympics cancelled due to safety hazard (machine stuck at maximum speed); event organizers made last-minute decision (night before) to cancel rather than risk injury

high · Hosts describe organizer explaining machine was 'too fast' and dangerous; Jeff retained champion status due to event cancellation; 'It's undefeated'

  • ?

    product_concern: Toy Story 4 at media mixer had missing flipper button, requiring improvised drink straw repair; indicates potential equipment maintenance or manufacturing issues

    medium · Jeff describes finding no right flipper buttons on machine at Interium, Kyle improvised straw solution

  • ?

    product_strategy: Chicago Gaming Company Cactus Canyon upgrade kit will include physical playfield additions plus code enhancements (Drunken Multiball confirmed); availability for existing owners planned

    high · Jeff states CGC showed upgrades during Expo tour; confirmed Drunken Multiball will be included in extended version

  • ?

    technology_signal: P-Rock modification platform enabling extensive code customization on original Williams machines; active ongoing development adding features years after release

    medium · Jeff discovers P-Rock thread from ~10 years ago adding party mode to Cactus Canyon; platform still actively adding features including Drunken Multiball

    • 2:17
    The MPGs were going down quick. They were right on point. It's smiles per gallon on something like that. Always. Smiles per miles. Yeah. And to my right, I have the star of the pinball Olympics, Mr. Kyle. Mr. Kyle, how we doing, buddy? Flippin' fantastic. Heck yeah. You were the star of the Olympics. Was I, though? You were. You were my little social butterfly. Jeff won three medals. Kyle pitched Scott Denise a game. I mean, I'll just put that out there. That's a dream right there. We can't talk about it on the podcast because someone might. NDA's been signed. Yeah. But I just want to say he pitched it. I think Scott was on board. He sold it hard. Yeah. Did good work. Anyway. Jeff, how are you? Yeah. How are you, Jeff? Tell us. I'm feeling beyond flipping fantastic. Oh. So what is beyond flipping fantastic? Cracking walnuts. Something like this.
    3:12
    Fantastically. I'm not sure. I'm going to have to work on the verbiage on that. Something like that. I mean, I called Corbin like eight times today. I just walked into Zach's house unannounced. I mean, everything's just coming up, Jeff, right now. I thought that we were recording this podcast at Zach's, so I just meandered into his house unannounced. You know, like, hey, everybody, how's it going? Oh, hey, I thought we were doing this at Kyle's. He's like, I thought we were doing it here. I'm like, well, give me a ride. I was very confused. So here we are. We're recording. We're already on the topic of pinball Olympics. Let's just start there. Let's get into it. Because I think everybody else right now is recording their post-Expo recap, and we'll definitely dive into that. But let's talk some pinball Olympics.
    3:54
    I think I was at Olympics longer than I was at Expo. I agree. So what do we want to talk about first? What's new? What was new? What our favorite was? What are we thinking? Let's start with what was new. So the top new one, I think that stands out in my memory. I'll just jump right in. Yeah, do it. The Cactus Canyon with the bull in front of it for multiple reasons. 50 flips It was in party mode I had never played Cactus Canyon in party mode Which then led me down It does and it led me down a rabbit hole And we'll talk about that in a second So you got on the bull You turned it up to 11 That was the speed that you had to set it at So the bull was essentially like a mechanical ride on Simulated horse It's a horse simulator Yeah like they have country bars or whatever And so you know you just set the Set up to 11 then you start the game And so it was set on party mode, and you had 50 flips. And basically each time you hit the flipper, it counts down. There was a couple things you could do to get more flips. Like a skill shot? Yeah, the skill shot where you add 10, add 15. Which was great. It was very cool. And so then whatever came first, three balls or the 50 flips, and whoever got the highest score won. So, I mean, we had some good rounds on it between all of us. And a couple people from the crew actually ended up meddling. So I think Keith got second. Keith was silver and Kyle was bronze. Yeah, yeah. I put like 7.4 million. That guy slipped in at the last minute. I GC'd it first time. So I thought that was, in my opinion, one of the coolest. That was my favorite. It was pretty sweet. A new cool one. And then the coding on that, that was what really got me interested because on the drive back then, I got down the rabbit hole of looking up like, okay, how did he add, how did they add this party mode?
    5:36
    And so this was an original Cactus Canyon. And every so often, it would freeze up and they'd have to reboot it or whatever. And when it was loading, it said P-Rock. So he was like, what the heck's going on? So it's an original. And on Pinside, I found a thread. And some guy about 10 years ago started working on a project to add more features to Cactus Canyon. Because 10 years ago, Cactus Canyon didn't even have match sequence. It was the unfinished game. There wasn't that many of them out there. And so he added the party mode actually for the people at the Pinball Olympics. They were part of talking. If I read through it correctly and understood it correctly, it seemed like he was a big part of getting that mode added in. They also added the Drunken Multiball, which I thought was like – because we played the one at VFW, and it has all the extra features as well because it had Drunken Multiball. So when I got the remake and I'm playing it, I'm like, why the hell am I not getting Drunken Multiball? I played this game a ton. I can't find it. And then you read the notes on the extended version they're supposed to be releasing, and oh, Drunken Multiball is going to be in that. And it's like, oh, wait. So apparently anybody – it must have been a thing for any of these guys running these originals was that they got this P-Rock, and then they also ran it off P-Rock and then like a Raspberry Pi for the computer to add in all these codes. And it's still active. They're still adding things to it, and it almost makes me think like, man, we might need to get an original to get one of these little extra modes in there. Is Chicago Gaming ever going to finish that? So that's what I was just going to talk about is I know – Is it an addition too? So what is the actual brain of the thing? Are we running a normal board with a piggyback? In the pictures that I saw, they didn't open to the world. I should know more. I bronzed on it. But they had the original board sets in there, but then the only one that wasn't was the audiovisual board wasn't in it. In the pictures I saw, but I wasn't sure what was still being used or wasn't. And we were driving, so I didn't fully read all of it, which I will because it's interesting. But it seems like it was a combination of both. So in terms of what's happening with the Chicago Gaming Company version of it is on their tour that they did during Expo, they showed off some of the physical things that are going to go on with the expansion as well as talked about the code. Playfield add-ons. Right. So essentially you're going to buy like an upgrade kit, and with that kit you're going to get upgraded software as well as some physical – yeah. Let's do it. It will be available for everyone. So I don't know that all of the things that we experienced on – I know Drunken Multiball will be on it. I don't know about the party mode. I just really hope that party mode is because I really liked – even if that game was just on party mode there without the bowl, it probably would have still been towards the top. I just like that interactive game, kind of like co-op mode or something along those same lines. I mean that's one of the things that – It's like a different style of non-traditional pinball. That solidified my love of pinball on Avengers. Yeah. They have that mode.
    8:30
    They have a party mode? No, there's a flip count mode. Yeah, so when you get into one of the gems, I forget which gem it is, it's for Doctor Strange when you get in it. And Keith Owen uses it again in Godzilla. There's a mode that you get into that's a certain... Rick and Morty has that too. Yeah.
    8:47
    For... Is it when you're in the cage match fighting? Right. So those sorts of things are fun. I saw that Barrels of Fun just did with Labyrinth a code update to where you can play coded stall ball. You know, anytime a ball goes into a scoop, it stops and someone moves. But they coded it even more interestingly to where all of the shots on the play field are lit white or whatever color, green, that, hey, these can still be hit. Once that shot's been hit, I think they said three times, then that insert turns red. And if you hit that insert or you hit that shot, it's the same as the ball draining and you're out. So you can't just shoot up the middle all day to stay alive to try to get into a scoop or to get into certain places. Another nontraditional. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, it's just like for Kyle's birthday, whenever we did the stall ball tournament or the year before when we did split flipper. Those sorts of things are just fun and engaging and just a different, unique way to play pinball. It's like flipper football almost, too. It's a different game on its own. What was I seeing? So Steve Prusa up in the Cleveland area is working on putting together a custom-built Big Bang Bar. Are you guys aware of this? No. Yeah, I've seen Prusa perusing around a little bit. So he's been collecting parts. He's been all of this stuff. Like a scratch build kind of an idea? A scratch build sort of thing. So he went out to Mike Paysacks, and he found some stuff out there. He's using a flipper football donor cabinet with some modifications to do the big bang bar cabinet. The head would be different. That's what he talked about. And then the main thing that he still needs to get that he's not going to be able to make himself will be the actual physical play field itself. So finding one or finding one that's been reproduced. So I'm very interested to follow this along. I don't think they're out there as far as I know. I mean, I've looked. I mean, a little bit. I've seen LOS play fields for Airborne. Yeah, new old stock. Because at Pin Brewer, somewhere we saw them for sure. Cleapin. Cleapin maybe, yeah. I know I saw them somewhere.
    10:46
    I don't know. I don't think there's a Big Bang Bar out there. I don't know. Yeah, but they were mass produced. And I think because there's also guys that, like, when you read the bing-bangs that pop up and you read some of the ads, it's like they have – if there's extra ones, those are the guys that have them. So it's – It's interesting. It's attainable. So let's say he has to spend $2,000 on a play field, and the whole build costs $5,000. He's essentially got a $30,000 game for five grand. That one in Chicago is under $30,000, I'm considering it. Stop. Stop considering it. It's a real trade for new sterns. I'm like, let's play. We've got some stuff. Venom, Ellie. All right, Zach, what was a favorite event for you at the pinball Olympics or maybe a new event that you saw that grabbed your interest? Always a favorite is the TNA booth. No doubt. So you guys were in it. What were some of the upgrades? First off, watching. It was a lot louder, I feel like. Yeah, because you see the double the amps, I think. It's crazy. Double the lights. I didn't realize last time either, there were shaker motors in the floor. If you look under the game, there's like four or five of them. Watching Ryan McQuaid, is that his name? Ryan McQuaid. He's 4.5 ball one for reactors. Oh, so good. He's killing it on ball one in there. It was ridiculous. Yeah. The getaway with the little, like the car toy with the doors and stuff. So I didn't get to play that. I didn't play it for like a second, then it was broken. So, yeah, it was cool, though. It was neat. Something different. It had a cool look. Yeah. What else did we play? The balls on the play field for no good gophers. I had a good time on that one. That was a lot of fun. Makes me want to get some time on that No Good Gophers when it gets traded in. Literally what I was just thinking. Because I've played it before here and there a little bit, but it's one of those non-traditional games too with the scoring to where you're not really trying to score points, you're trying to get as few strokes as possible to complete your hole. And then also the Congo tent was pretty cool too. I didn't play in there, I just went in there and looked around. It was hot? Yeah, it was hot. I was going to suffocate if I was in there. I was like, okay, I dig what they went for, but I'm not standing in this line. It put a whole vibe to the machine, you know? So I went there first. That was the first. That's what I'm doing with your furnace room the next day when I come over. Don't be surprised if you wake up tomorrow. God, it's so hot. Oh, a couple of heaters in there. 88 degrees in there. Bring some anise plants in. But I'm in there. I'm playing. It's a big league. And there's one guy in an ape costume, you know, just pointing at the play field, kind of messing with you or whatever. And then all of a sudden I feel somebody grabbed my calf. I'm like, what is going on here? and then I feel someone brush up against my shoulder and there's another guy that's popping up in and out of the bushes messing with you as you're playing. It was fantastic. They're just sitting around like, dude, we should put Congo in the Congo. And then we said, I'll dress up like an ape. And how committed do you have to be to do that for four hours? There's a big fucking tent. That wasn't like a little garage tent. I love the commitment. It's like the sharks though for Jaws. They were hustling hard there Alright Kyle What were some of your favorites Or maybe a new favorite Kyle liked the Obviously you're a medalist on the Cactus Canyon The Equestrian Cactus Canyon That was fun Was it the Vodka Gimlets or whatever That's what Kyle liked the most Yeah I did like those Pretty delicious Yeah Vodka Gimlets Well I thought it was pretty impressive though But, like, literally we were not even in yet, and the same server from last year immediately found you and remembered you and tried to hand you a Corona. Immediately. He did. Like, we were, like, two steps down, and he was like, hey.
    14:23
    But how wild did it get by, like, the third and fourth hour where there were, like, eight-year-old children walking around serving people Coca-Colas? Yeah, it was something. That was a step up from last year. Okay, so I did. So did you find out? Can Norton go? What is it? Yes, yes. They're cool? So, yes. Oh, great. I quite enjoyed playing Elvis with the tilt bob in front of me. Which you did way better than me. I couldn't even get a ball started. I was tilting out. So you had like a hard hat on and then like a. It's the one they had on big guns last year. Yeah. But it was on Elvis. Yeah. Do you think they just like hang out with like these different things that they have to plug into the games? You know, like, you know, let's put the helmet on Jaws tonight or, you know, whatever. Oh, like switch around on round two. You just have a shelf ball of it, and they're like, what do you want to get out tonight? Hey, what's your IFPA number? Nobody cares. Yeah, because they had set up the two Metallicas the same way they'd had the Godzilla set up the year before. The tilts, yeah. And then the DDR pad was hooked up to two different games. It was Fast Break last year. It was Fast Break, the DDR pads. This year again? Yeah, because Mary Beth and I played, and we had to do Sun Death on it. First year school. I beat her, by the way. You should get those Fast Break. As you should. Yeah. Fast Break. so for me i you know the ones that i did well on obviously resonated with me more the rick and morty portal one was a good time i was playing that for a bit it so i'm over there playing was it you kyle that was someone was recording me and i was like okay this is definitely going to look a little bit odd after the fact but it has the rick and morty portal stock like a big piece of plywood with a hole cut in it and then it spins like the portal does so you have to move your head and your body around to keep your view of the playfield going. And if you've never met Jeff, he is quite gangly. I'm awkwardly proportioned. I have arms and I'm tall. Did anybody play the Trash show one? Trash one? No, with the big fan. I kept trying to get in. Every time I'd wait in line, it was just going too long.
    16:24
    Because you and I waited for a while, then we wandered off. I just didn't want to wait for things. I did the dryer, the game in the dryer The dirty, dirty Harry That was a challenge for sure Because I didn't realize the drum inside the dryer Could still spin, so all of a sudden I'm just like rolling back and forth Rolling back and forth It's everything with the hand controls And you think you're about like What had the pistols hooked to it? Iron Man So you're playing it, so you go to nudge And you're like smacking a pistol around Kyle was laughing at me because I'm shaking the right pistol Like trying to nudge He's like, what are you doing, you idiot It's the same with the beer tapper one when you use the mug. Yeah. So let's talk about the main event of Pinball Olympics, the treadmill challenge. It's still raining champ. I mean, what are we going to talk about? So how do we – they weren't able to get the treadmill operating properly. So the story is when we got there, we were talking to them and – It was too dangerous, right? The speed is too much. It stuck on full blast. They're like, it was too fast. I'm like, oh, because last year it was so slow. He's like, no. I literally jumped on it, and he's like, I was running full sprint, and within four to five seconds, I was at the back of the thing. And he's like, it was like, man, people get fucked up off us already, but we're really going to fuck people up this year. Yeah, that one shitbox. And so they decided that they weren't going to do it, and what are you going to do? I don't get to defend my champion. And then later on, they came and found me and gave me the mug and said, you're still the champ because it's undefeated. So I'll take it. I was ready to run. I had my shoes on. I thought I was going to get the beat. Was that like a total see you next year wink? Oh, well, yeah, for sure. It was absolutely like, you'll be back next year to do it. It's like, yeah, I'll defend it again next year. Well, you were definitely getting some looks from the gentleman who had won it. Oh, yeah. The X-Ray champion. The X-Ray. He was ready. He was eyeballing me, for sure. He was. I felt the glare. Especially when they announced it, I felt the glare. And I'm like, hey, it is what it is. I was ready to take you down. He's a young gun. What do you expect? Damn. Well, and then Tank got the third place mug. So we brought home two mugs. I want to say that I was ready to take that guy on. He would have, if I would have saw him and we would have been going against each other, I would have been good. So we established that the game was going to be Medieval Madness, correct? Yeah, it was going to be on Medieval Madness. It was scheduled to be Medieval Madness. I love also that they were going to just, oh, dude, just get a couple of castles, multi-balls or whatever, and just hop off. But I love also that they, like, waited until the night before and they're like, all right, let's set it up and see if it works. Oh, I feel like Clozer would be doing, oh, do you want to test the treadmill? know because i know last year when i watched them adjusting the speed a little bit they literally had put like screws on the adjustment thing so like you can't turn it down beyond this yeah you can't do it you know above this so stop disable well it looked like it was straight out of the 70s like it was barely like belt driven it was she looked old yeah she'd seen some not a lot of safety features definitely there were safety features though on the uh the magic bowl or whatever on cactus canyon it had like a little oh the the game piece a little sorry game piece or whatever that kept it going yeah i was ready to defend my title i was and i'm glad you saw it too because i was like is he staring at me like what oh no i felt it i felt it well i knew when you showed up on friday he's like a pinball life guy too so he's like in there like he's in the inner circle he is me i mean what do you say i want to fair swear you showed up on friday in your tennies and shorts, so I knew you weren't messing around. You were mentally prepared, mentally focused. Yeah, gotta be. So who did we see in the Mad Pinball circle out there? The Cooks and Lazars. When we first got there, I walked up to, immediately I'm like, oh, TNA, so I'm looking, and they have the TV so you can see them. Monitor, yep. And they're killing them. I'm like, holy shit, I know them. And it was the Cooks and Lazars in there. And then we saw some of our Buffalo people, Dave Sousa, Kevin Main. I wish I had more time to talk to him, because our interaction was like, it was at the end, and it was like for like a minute and 15 seconds. He was running around Expo like every time I saw him. He's a pretty popular guy. So we're pretty cool. We can talk to him sometimes. Definitely. He's going to be bummed though. He missed the... Oh, so the feature, the spotlight of the week was on Thursday. The whole week. Damn. Oh, no. Maybe the year. This might be in my top thing of the year.
    20:33
    We went over to Interium for the media mixer, Kyle and I. for the podcast. We're walking around. We're talking to this person, that person, being our little selves. Then it's time to play some games. I go over to play one of my favorites, Toy Story. I swipe my card on it. Toy Story 4. Yeah, of course. The best of the Toy Stories. There isn't one, two, or three. Oh, there's not. You haven't played a one? I hit the start button. You've never played Toy Story 2? Ball enters the trough. Jeff plunges the ball Jeff goes to flip the right flipper There is no flipper buttons Somewhere along the line The flipper button had gone MIA So Kyle to his credit Fixed the flipper button By using one of his drink straws To flip the right flipper And away he went Playing three balls On Toy Story 4 Has anyone re-themed Toy Story 4? High score of the day It was high score of the day So you just did one and done? That was it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, then immediately after that, he went over and played Godfather. So he went Jersey Jack. He played Godfather before. Jersey Jack. Yeah, he played Godfather. Back to back. Okay. That was the only time I'm ever going to play that game. That's fair. You played it. You did it, dude. You played it in its optimal form. I literally took my little straw One flipper brought the button missing Put it inside It has what two flippers on the right and just press it on the leaf switch I think those are leaf switches yeah Oh they leaf switches Yeah, yeah. I could feel it.
    22:10
    Well, that wasn't all the Jersey Jack fun you had. And then on Friday, you accompanied Corbin and I to the Jersey Jack VIP party, where you not only talked to Jersey Jack himself, but also Jersey Jen. Yeah, and Steve Ritchie. We talked to Steve Richie. Little Steve Richie. We talked about the brisket. It wasn't good. Yeah, he's like, don't eat that shit.
    22:31
    He's like, two out of ten. That's what he said. Gordon Ramsay wouldn't eat this shit. Yeah, that's what he said. So then immediately we're like, we should go try it. I'm just curious. And then we're like, yeah, Dan, he's right. He's right. Speaking of food, though, Taco Town at Pimple Olympics also. They did not disappoint. They not. I had seven tacos.
    22:51
    Seven? You have been training. I only had like three or four. I went with three. I went three. I went one of each. But I mean, I did go a little heavy on the drinks. I had a seven up while I was there. So I mean, things got pretty wild. Speaking of the Jersey Jack mixer, you were looking real fancy with your cranberry. I had a cranberry club soda. I was drinking some Honeys. Yeah. That was a good time. So before we deviate too far away from Pinball Olympics, any final takeaways on Pinball Olympics? It's obviously lived up to the continued hype, the expectations. And honestly, what was awesome for me was seeing people that I know either know us or listen to the podcast that helped those tickets sell out as quick as they did show up and have such a good time. I agree. It's just exciting. That looks like something that I feel like is one of my one of the favorite pinball events we do the year. Absolutely. By far, you know, one of the top ones for sure. It's probably one of the top events of like ever. Yeah, exactly. It's not just like it's just a passion. Right. and getting to share it with other people and interacting with other people there. I can't wait for next year's, you know, absolutely. Yes, I want to see what's new, and I want to get on the treadmill. I just feel like we should, like, you know. We should offer them a treadmill. I'd be willing to donate a treadmill to the cause. Absolutely. My parents don't use theirs, but we could.
    24:09
    It also inspires me to, I'm good right now, do something of our own, like just come up with something crazy or event-wise, like just put to it. I just love the passion. I do too. And inspiring to do something because we don't do anything. Right. Yeah, we don't do anything. It's true. Speaking of not doing anything, let's talk about the quarter up Halloween party that's coming up. So that's going to be – Monday. Yeah. So we're recording today on Thursday the 24th. It's going to be at quarter up on Monday, October 28th, starting at 7 o'clock. So let's talk about some of the cool – Do you have a costume? Oh, of course I have a costume. Are you kidding me? Okay, I'm curious.
    24:53
    Yeah, so we've got some... We have an ad in the Halloween game. What have you already drug up there? So far, we added the black and white Munsters premiums up there. With all the accessories. Yeah, the works. We discovered the first week they were getting a little rough with it, and we discovered the tilt was apparently cut. So, newsflash, it's reconnected. I don't know where it is. You can tell the shit out of it now.
    25:15
    So be nice to the game. Be nice to the monsters. So we have that up there. We added Scared Stiff is up there now, which is formerly Kyle's. Well, it's still all ours, I mean, essentially. But it used to live here at Kyle's. Right. Color DMD, super clean game, super fun game. Plays buttery smooth. It does. And then today I added Dracula, where I'm sure Dracula's in up there. Missed Multiball. Yeah. It is a fun game. That is such a fun game. Yeah. It's kind of eerie. I feel like you missed your moment with that game because that and Shadow came in at the same time, and you felt the pressure of, okay, I need to get a game out there. I should have gotten a bunch of games at once. So I'm like, well, let me put this one out. And literally it went out, and I brought it in for like two days, and it's back out again. But that's okay. I'll have my time.
    26:02
    And so that's what we've got up there so far. But hell of a lineup. I mean, come on. There's a lineup up there. I mean, Avatar's back up there. Yep, a little bit. Looney Tunes, Bond 60th. Oh, yeah, Bond 60th. is up there. Elton John is still there.
    26:18
    Lebowski. Anyway, I think by Monday, we're planning on adding. So if we do this thing on Monday, we've got to do a Stop a Quarter Up, too, because we're going to add America's Most Haunted, I believe, Monday. One of what? One of 150? I think it said 150, yeah. So that's Spooky's first game. They did 150 of them. Maybe Ghostbusters, too. If I have a chance to wipe it down real quick, I'm thinking let's throw that up there, too, for fun. It'd be nice to have it up there, let people experience a little bit, maybe throw a for sale sign on it see if somebody wants to take it home it's a pro so if somebody wants it not giving it uh so yeah ghostbusters pro i think that's it i don't know what else if anything else speaks to us before i mean that's a great obviously lineup for a one night there's only like one or two games up there that hasn't been turned over in the past year that's nuts when you were telling me that out of like almost 25 games like that you're talking about turning over two games a month that's and i keep them consistent in the air is like if it's a wpc it gets traded for wpc If it's stern, stern, you know. For somebody who doesn't have a madman's manifesto of all of the things that you're taking in and out, like you do a pretty good job of keeping it straight mentally. Pinball map, baby. Pinball map. So, yeah, that's coming up, though. It's going to be a costume party. It's going to be a hell of a good time.
    27:29
    Yeah, come play some pinball with us. Please do. So let's hit a couple fact check items here that I had from the previous episode. So something that I didn't hear in the moment but was pointed out to me was when we were talking about it trying to import a Hexa Space Hunt. I said, if you know someone with a cargo ship or have a cargo ship, let us know. And in the background, Kyle said, we don't want the play fields on those games going haggis on us. Somebody asked what that meant. I can tell you what that means. Take it away, Corbin. You can go for it. it means i mean at the time they would ship them to the dock and then they would sit in these containers for like months and months didn't they have like a plastic protector over it too yeah it was like a weird thing but either way because from sitting in the containers in the heat in the tropics or because they're in australia right correct so it's hot there yeah slow boat from australia to but they didn't even get on the boat immediately there was like a three to four month period where they were full yeah and so and they would just sit there and they'd fake and so like that i think i assume that's what he was talking about yeah i was hoping in hexa we did get to play let's talk about it yeah and i i'm still on board to get one over here like we just gotta figure out how it's gonna make sense maybe a couple at once i don't know if i hadn't already called you like eight times today i would have called you a ninth time be like hey i'm gonna restart this conversation with the people over at hexa because i am we can drive around tomorrow and talk so it's okay that's true because i'm picking you up from dropping the car off so i got you kidnapped you do i'll be be trapped be truck trapped or jeff i was hoping you were saying someone called us like they had a cargo ship or something. That's where I was. That's all I needed. Dude, were we about to have a cargo ship? This is awesome. I thought maybe somebody had Hexa. Well, both Zach and Corbin are former Boy Scouts, so I think it was Morse Code that they were sending it to me, and so I'm going to need you guys to decipher the messages later to tell me. That's what they said. I don't know if that's what they were saying. They might have been saying we have Hexa pinball.
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    But yeah, we got some time on it. I think that's the game from Expo that I played the most. I played no less than eight games on it. That was the one when we got there immediately. You were like, go play that one. Because it was at the pin sound booth. It wasn't at like a hexa pinball booth. It was kind of asleep. It was kind of hidden. It was, which I liked. I don't think people realized necessarily like what it was. I know. I kept pointing it out to people, which was a bad idea because then I had to start waiting in line. So, Kyle, what were some of your takeaways from the space hunt? I wish I could hear better. Definitely. Yeah, I wish I could hear it. I think if that was correct. Don't interrupt you. That's just my cranked up. Yes. Which was in the Pinsound booth. I know. It's just like right there. Nobody was like, oh, hyped about it. I was hyped about it. I thought it was great. Yeah, I'd read after the fact on Facebook or Pinsider somewhere that there are, it's built on Pinsound boards, and that's why it was in that booth. Okay. That makes sense then. So was that Rob Burke's? So it better sound real good. That was Rob Burke's Space Hunt. Yeah. Okay. Yes, yes. Confirmed. um yeah i wish the sound was louder because that's a rocking soundtrack i was impressed with the build quality i love that it had the mirrored back glass the powder coating was nice it felt there's like some uh weird uh legal issue like you can't import it yeah so it's not ul listed yet so to import it would need to be ul listed from what i've read it's like a 30k investment to like have it sent through the process to get that done they're gonna make like 20 games or something Right. So the only way that you can get them in is like one-offs as I'm sending you a prototype and then you can get around that. I mean, I'm still kind of intrigued by that idea. Oh, you know.
    31:02
    We're sending our current prototype back, so we have to find something else. Yeah, it was a sad day whenever I saw you pin pod the Turner pinball eclipse back up. Honestly, though, we had a good time with it. I really enjoyed it. I really hope, I mean, talking to Chris at the show and it's like I want to continue the conversation. And I hope that in the future, other games, if they want to have testing ground or whatever, I would love to be on board. What did you get on the plays? Like four to six thousand? Yeah, it was somewhere in there. I think it was over four. And the beauty of it is, I mean, that run that it. I didn't take one after Pim. That it did over at Pim's Mechanical of a couple thousand plays. I mean, nothing. I mean, they. I rebuilt the flippers before it went and they did nothing. Right. And that was after like 2,500 plays. It was already at like 2,500. Yeah. When I sent it over there. So, yeah, I thought it held up really well. I thought the interaction, like their interaction with everyone at Expo this year seemed like – Blew my mind. It was crazy. I think it was super positive. I've never seen the pinball community that universally positive on the same thing ever.
    32:01
    Well, maybe because they actually saw a product that was produced and a product that had been sent to people. And the comparison. We can actually do this and took all the feedback and everything. In a comparison from a year ago, he listened and made his changes. Oh, a complete 180.
    32:19
    Yeah, I would say there's probably 4,000 to 5,000 plays on it. And rebuild the flippers, and I think that was it, right? Yeah. And I will say now, which it's like, yeah, that's what you're going to do with a brand new Stern. With anything, the flipper's going to get rebuilt. If you want something unique, if you want something quality, and you want something that's only going to be one of 100, hop on Turner Pinball's website and order one. because I know Chris is saying that they're down to just the last few handfuls of spots left. They're guaranteeing your deposit that if the game doesn't ship within 12 months from the time that you place your deposit, it is refunded. And they're ramping up production, so they're coming. Yeah, well, I mean, the first four were the four at Expo, and those went home with their owners.
    33:00
    And those owners allowed them to play those? Yeah. You're getting it on the ground. They got a good deal discount. I'm sure there was a show discount. And it's like you're getting on the ground floor with this company now. This is like the America's Most Haunted, I guess. Well, look at all the little things that they were doing with this that they showed us at the show. Well, they actually delivered a game. Yeah, where they did the wrench that was embossed Turner pinball. They had the ratchet strap that was Turner pinball. Yeah, that's cool. I mean – He's not looking – this isn't going to be one game. This is going to be a thing. And that's what he talked about, it being a platform of things that they're going to build off of in the future. So you do get the double guarantee if you reserve your game and in the code line you put Mad Pinball, then we also will guarantee your deposit on the game. If your game doesn't get delivered within 12 months, then Turner doesn't take care of you. Mad Pinball will. So rest assured that we believe in Turner that much. But, yeah, we're excited to continue to partner up with them. Sad to obviously see the prototype go back home to Texas. Awesome run. Awesome chance to get to have it here. So I'm stoked about it. I mean, it got rounded, and it was fine. It did. Yeah. Ran hard.
    34:09
    So my takeaway from Expo, I'm going to start of my – so love Space Hunt. Love everyone being on point and just ecstatic about Turner Pinball. Those things were great.
    34:22
    But my favorite thing at this show was the homebrew section. Agreed. It really is. There was a lot of cool stuff over there. Mind-numbing. Yeah. I like the play field on ball axes, the Borderlands 2. That was crazy. So Thursday night, Kyle and I are walking around with the boys from the electric playground, and they're introducing us to some folks. Oh, here's the pinball circus 1.5. Here's this. Here's that. Oh, you guys, we got to introduce you over to the guy who did this Borderlands 2. Get over there. It's like, this isn't that impressive, man. It's just like a standard cabinet with basically a bare play field. What's going on here? So we start up a game, and all of a sudden you see that this play field can full – I'm not going to describe this well because there's no way that you can without seeing a video. But the play field itself can fully articulate up, down, left, right. What would you call the mechanics? Like a ball axi, like on a mill or a lathe, how it can – or a 3D printer even. Like screw and unscrew. Screwballs pretty much. So you get into certain modes on the game. Ikea furniture.
    35:32
    No, better than that. And now you have a motion controller that you pull off of the lockdown bar. You can almost think about one of those ball games that you have to tilt the table and get the ball in certain areas and stuff. It's just like that, except certain inserts light up that, hey, you need to hit this switch, you need to hit that switch. I was blown away by that one. Over at the Electric Playground booth, they had the Friday the 13th game, which I'd played at TPF in March. So I didn't play that again. But then they had one that I hadn't seen, which was the Tony Hawk Pro Skater game. I think it was the first time it's been anywhere because they were kind of like their buddies been working on that for a little while. Yeah, because he's from the same. That Friday the 13th is gorgeous. Fucking fantastic. It's just so impressive the time that these people put into it. Then Ryan McQuaid had his Sonic Spinball game over there, which has been a fan favorite for a long time. the dukes of hazard game which was a previous best in show winner and i think the winner this year was the greatest showman game which was a re-theme from whirlwind and it was so i saw that there was a line constantly i kept on like oh i'll play that and those both of those were re-themes in whirlwind yep because whirlwind's a hell of the best fucking games ever there it is there it is but yeah homebrews were that was a giant the herc the one that made hercules look small is that considered a homebrew is that just like a rob burke project it's is i respect the heck out of the man i mean that's yeah so brian allen art on there oh so sick yeah we were over there a little bit and they were talking about just the size of the mechanism how to make those flippers work too do you mean like a bit of a two cycle 75 cc engine is it going to be pull start oh yeah Oh, yeah. Put your quarters in, and you get, like, three pools.
    37:21
    What was that called? Mega something, wasn't it? Yeah. It was, like, kind of GTF, but, like, on steroids, maybe? Oh, yeah. It was sweet. The colors were great. It was next to Hercules and made Hercules look small. It's like they really should have had it, Hercules, and then a normal pinball next to it for, like, for the full effect. Yeah. Because Hercules already dwarfs normal games. And to accurately play it, I feel like I need Corbin on one flipper, me on the other flipper, and then Kyle in the middle directing us. Yeah, like calling out from the tower. This is what you need to do. I don't know. Hit that something. So then also on my podium of things that I enjoyed at Expo was in the far back corner, back by one of the concession stands, they had two of the, I think they're the Spanish games. Hoops was there. And then the Tokyo Drift looking one. and I played the Hoops one and it was a good time. Like it's not something I'd spend seven grand on or whatever it goes for, but it was well put together. It was a fun time.
    38:20
    I played the Tokyo Drift one and I thought it shat okay. And it was one that was like, oh, it's actually too loud and I don't like this game. Yeah.
    38:30
    Fair enough. We finally got to play X-Men. I was just going to say, we still don't have an X-Men here to play. I enjoyed it. I played it a lot. We played at Expo. We played at the Microphone Bar. Yep. Microphone. That's what it was called. Microphone. Whatever. We played at Logan, too. Yeah, and I said we played at Logan. I played it everywhere that I could. And? It was awesome. I can't wait to play more. The Pro was, I feel like it wasn't lacking. It's packed, man. It's still packed. It's a packed Pro. Absolutely packed. I will give it to that. This Pro is still packed. It is still packed, but the premium is still cooler because that hand is awesome. Yeah.
    39:13
    Corbin, thoughts on X-Men? I know now that you've had more than one. I know. The pro is packed. I'm definitely good about that, and I like it. I still like it. I think it's a cool game. I think there's some cool shots. I think it just gives me like a similar to – it's just that Jack Danger vibe as far as like – The Jack Danger, man. It gives you the same like with Foo Fighters where there's just like interesting ball pass where it just goes where you don't expect it. There's some good flow. you get some combos clean why is it on my right flipper again yeah exactly like i i like it's quick so i i've uh i'm a i'm a fan and i feel like the danger room take it out take in like it's like i don't even pay any attention to like x the x-men part of it it's just like the the play of it's cool so for me yeah no completely agree and the code's been coming along fast and furious for that since the game's launch there's already have been three updates two of them that were substantial So it's went from being a four-mode game into having some real depth already. I think it was like at .86, .87, something like that.
    40:10
    And I mean, Corbin's mad pinball commitment to this is we haven't unboxed one to play here because we sold all of the LEs. We'll keep buying them. We sold all of the pros. I wouldn't unbox that last LE so bad because that power cutting was so pretty. And now literally the premiums are coming next week, and we might sell all of those if we sell all of those. We might still be X-Men-less. We won't do that. Sorry, somebody's getting cut. We've been really lucky here. I feel like we can get another one. The last couple months. We need it. We need an X-Men. Going crazy through all these X-Men.
    40:45
    I can officially say now that all of our Metallicas are deposited on, so all of the LEs are. I will say the Metallica surprised me. I didn't expect the people to be this wild about it. I was just disappointed that I didn't get to play it, and that I was there for two full days. Yeah, Saturday. Or if we would have went to the Stern party on Friday. Right. So on Thursday. I thought we didn't go. Well, the Wednesday event that they did at Topgolf, they had them there. And then Friday they had them for the Stern tour. And then Friday night for the Stern party, Stern.
    41:19
    I think it was Army. Army party. Thank you. They took it over to Microphone. Took them over there. A couple of them over there is what they said. Yeah. Well, it's the same two. And then they brought those two over to Expo, and I heard on Saturday the lines for that were, you were waiting an hour to play it, which is bonkers. But yeah, we're deposited out now on all of the premiums, so if you want to get on the list for a second build, let us know. Email jeff or corbin at madpinball.com, and we can get you hooked up. and I can tell you from my list of people who are depositing on the games, almost all of them are looking for the full accessory bundle, so I'm really hoping Stern goes hog wild on building these accessories because everyone's wanting toppers and expression lights. Look at it, eight months to a year from now. They're saying December. They're saying that's what they're saying. Okay, okay. All right. I hope so. Sometimes it's just like they always say that, then it's like, where's Venom?
    42:18
    All right, so I want to hit a little... Hold on, I want to talk about something from Expo still. Yeah, go for it, man. Alice, we didn't even talk about Alice. I'm sorry, what? I was going to try to like... Wait, wait, wait. Are you talking about that little cabinet that had no play field that was called Wonderland? Is that the one you're talking about? Yeah, that thing was amazing. Commercial cabinet for $800. Let's do it.
    42:42
    Get it, Corbin. Talk about Alice. Let's go. I waited in line and I played it. And I talked to the, um, I talked to what's his name? Uh, rent, renish or whatever. How do you say it? Uh, about midnight madness because on the clock in the pictures, it says midnight madness. So I'm like, assuming like, you know, well, Anna is the one who spotted it. She spotted it and she's like, is this mean? And I'm like, I don't know. Let's find out. So we asked, it's more like a, uh, a fun house kind of a, like, you know, you, you do certain things to achieve, to get the clock to midnight. You know, the fun house is now closed. I was wondering when it's now midnight madness. He said it's very similar to what we're considering a traditional Midnight Madness, but you trigger it at will based on how you play. Right. I played a game on it. I got two balls.
    43:30
    It's a beautiful game. It's gorgeous. No question about it. It definitely has circus vibes, theater magic, or tales. It has J-pop vibes. There's no question about that. But I played two balls one game. So it's like even when I talked to him and he asked what I thought, it's like I love the way it looked, but I really don't have a feel for the gameplay or anything like that. In that environment, it's almost impossible. It's like you got two balls with 16 people behind you. You can't hear it. You can't hear shit. And I heard other people saying too that the upper play field was disabled Somebody said it was officially disabled Oh when I played it on Thursday it was on Okay later on I played it. It ended up fully playable. It ended up getting disabled, and then they're talking about changing it to make it more different. Because there's not a certain ramp to get up there. It's like you have to do a certain thing, and then it kicks it up there. Either way, I'm still super stoked about it. You know why I'm stoked about it? Because I bow. There you go. I'm going to love to play Corbin. That's fine. And I'm fine with that. That's why I go. I'm excited to play it. Yeah. And that's why the people of quarter up are so darn spoiled.
    44:35
    Let's come. Yeah. I thought it was gorgeous. I thought the powder coating on it was the lighted side rails was a nice, nice touch. Um, the topper with the, Oh, the eyes were very cool. And they were talking about adding, doing stuff into the teeth as well. I like it. The mold. I mean, it was very beautiful. It's definitely one of the ones. And I think you said like, Scooby-Doo, you just want to hang out and look at it. Yeah. Just take it in. I feel like you can put it in the middle of a room and literally, it's like a nice car where you're going to walk around it and just take everything out of it. It's not something you're going to appreciate in a row of 10 Sternellis. I'll tell you this too, as critical as a lot of folks were about the art in person... I think everybody has recanted on it. Yeah, I feel like... Really, it's not 10-year-old Alice in Wonderland? No. Yeah, and it's not like it was in your face. It's like, yeah, it's there, but unless you're micro-focused on it or macro-focused on it. No, I think it all felt cohesive. Yeah. No, I definitely am very excited for them to start building those and get that in. Yeah. What else was interesting at Expo? Oh, that was a cool one. I got some time on ABBA. He didn't fall in love there. My thing for Expo was I just, coming in as late as we did and everything, I feel like I was at Expo for a blink, personally. Yeah. Did anybody get to enjoy the pre-war The speakeasy I didn't make it over the 1930s It was the best thing The best thing We played those a decent amount last year Or one of the years whenever we had a lot of time They had it all set up He had a bigger booth this year It was huge It was pretty cool Probably like 20, 25 Easily Kudos to Rob Burke and the Burke family Everyone that was involved the 40th anniversary expo was electric playgrounds booth was i know you touched on some homebrews but like their overall booth was next level like that was huge like they're apparently like big time yeah they did it and so it was three times as big as a normal booth so they had all of their toppers on display there they had their new attack from mars one up on a game for everyone to check out and get their orders in on they had their new uh captain fantastic one which was very very cool I need to call him and tell him I need both. Yeah, the art style on that one. Well, you need to get your hat, too. And my hat. What's it going to take for me to get both and a hat?
    47:00
    I don't think it's going to take a lot, buddy. I know. My service is still sitting in his house. Well, every time I see a picture come out of the shop, I look at it and go, hmm. I see it in the corner. There was one to the far right today. And I'm like, hmm. There she is. Anything going on on top of that? Yeah, that's mine. What's happening? But no, I was actually talking to Robin this morning about their plans for 2025 and to say that your minds will be blown by two out of the three things that he's talking about. I mean the third one. 66.6 is not bad. Well, the third one, they don't have 100% locked in. They're still making some decisions on. But the two that he described to me in depth and then shared some images of. I'm hoping Circus is on that list. People are going to be like, save a few dollars because you're going to need to get these. And he was talking about doing, hey, you don't even have this game. I'm going to do desktop art or wall art for it. So we'll get you hooked up one way or the other. Love some good war. I bought a sweet Darth Vader from Brian Allen's booth when I was an expert. I love Brian Allen's stuff. He does such a great job. So awesome. But, yeah, I was just going to do my little Mad Pinball sponsor slash partner highlight, and it was going to be the Electric Playground. Not Norrin Corbin absolutely killed it on that. Sorry. No, it was the perfect lead-in, man. Oh, perfect. Yeah, you're welcome. The Electric Playground, check out their social medias. It's TEP, T-E-P, Pinball, the Electric Playground. If you're looking to order something, you can do it straight from their website, or you can hop on the Mad Pinball website and place an order as well. My level of fandom for them is at the point where I let them borrow one of my children that never leaves my house. Literal. Literal children. It doesn't even get to come to my house. Everything's at my house. It doesn't go anywhere. Yeah, exactly. I've got to have something.
    48:48
    But, yeah, no, they have Circus out there right now. All right. I've got some cool stuff. I think it's time now for everyone's new favorite segment, a little trailer talk with our friend Corbin. Corbin, give us the current state of your trailer. So in case you missed the last episode, Corbin and I had a time in western Ohio where we blew not one, but two tires. One went flat, one blew. One was a lot more violent than the other. When the second one blew, it also blew off the fender. Yeah. So do we have new tires on the trailer? Give me the current status. Because we're about Monday. We're looking at doing some serious moving here. Yeah, I went ahead and pulled the other fender off so they matched. Fully open wheel. A rat rod vibe is what I'm going for.
    49:41
    So, yeah, that's the status. I have not, I left mismatched tires too because that goes for the rat rod vibe. And I've actually added some random splotches of spray paint across the sides and around. A little bit of pinstriping. I drove through a big pile of paint as well, so it just splattered, gave it that natural look. So it's going good. I think you'll be excited about the way it looks on Monday. I'm pretty excited. It looks exactly the same as you last saw it. So after the last episode when we talked about – We are sponsored by Summit, though. So Summit did hook me up with some Summit Racing, hooked me up with some new tires, and they are sitting out there in the garage near the trailer. So that's good. I just haven't had a chance to straighten the fender and then put two new tires on. And we're going to check the bearings in, I think. Was there something else we were going to do? Grease the bearings. Yeah, that's what we were going to do. So were those some of the maintenance tips that you were given after our last episode? We're going to take in all the maintenance tips, and I'm actually planning for the very near future as well to reseal the front where the diamond plate meets the trailer itself because from time to time, driving in some heavy rain or whatever, sometimes a little moisture gets in there. So something to keep in mind. But, no, I got some plans. I'm thinking we'll put her up on blocks here next week, week after, whenever we stop using it so much. I mean, you'd already given her some nice love here early on in the spring where you redid the entire interior. Oh, yeah. I was out at Facts the other day, and we just had the truck, and he's like, oh, you don't have the fancy trailer today? I'm like, was somebody else picking up games? Jeff, it's not his trailer. He wants somebody else to have a trailer. They don't even know me out there anymore. It's all Corbin, Corbin, Corbin. Where's Corbin?
    51:15
    What can I say? Bringing treats, little candies. So what were we being told? That you're supposed to get new trailer tires every five years or something? Actually, Ben said four. Ben, I'll say that's Ben. He said four. I'm thinking maybe in the next If we're going down to Columbus on Monday Maybe we should see if he can record with us And we have to remember If we go to Columbus on Monday We just have to be back By quarter up Yeah yeah perfect Oh what's up man So that's our little trailer talk with Corbin Tonight What else do I have on my net We'll get it back together and we're driving today My dad was driving and he was like pins and piling. Like, oh.
    51:56
    Back into Keith's driveway the other day. That was a challenge. Driving it today. The construction's all fucked up over there. You and your dad went to? Coin Op Amusement Warehouse again, yeah. Up in Cleveland. Up in Cleveland, where we got Congo from, from the guy up there with the insane. He had the operator calling jukebox. And so your dad got the full jukebox tour, and you said there were some jukebox turnover up there with a different version of the collar. He's added more jukeboxes in. That's crazy. He's at it. It wasn't that long ago. Oh, no. And there's like rows out in the area. He's like, oh, these are all part of the collection. I just can't fit them in. They're all just covered in tarps and everything. But he had to. We originally saw the Wolitzer version of the Operator Colin jukebox. I bought that today. He has the Seabrook version as well. Oh. It's like, and he's showing you stuff. He's like, oh, this is one of three in existence. Of course. Because you have. Somebody just got thrown in the dumpster. Oh, my God. All of them. The thing he was showing me, too, was like, it was like the goofiest, like, it's like these ideas that were like okay yeah it doesn't really make sense like there are wall boxes there's a time where wall boxes you didn't even choose what song you were playing you just put money in and hit play and then it would just play whatever was next there was jukeboxes that were literally stacks and whatever was next on the stack it would flip on and it would play then you put your money in your nickel in or whatever it'd flip on you get to the bottom stack somebody go over and shuffle them up throw them back on like it was just it's just crazy and it's like seeing the jukeboxes up there and then just hearing the history of it from from ben it's just it's just crazy and like some of these jukeboxes are just works of art they're not even like and and i can't agree with him more when he's like the jukeboxes they are not jukeboxes like they were back then and just to think about like if these jukeboxes could tell stories like of the places they've been oh yeah and in the things that they've seen like it would be and that's exactly what i thought when we were out at todd and barbara's dropping off their games of you know he didn't have he didn't have anything like hers like barbara's and i was like oh next time we're up jeff has to show the show yeah show him the pics he didn't have any cassette tape ones either we might know about some jukeboxes that even uh ben doesn't know about i don't know my dad had one he was describing that was in the basement that ben had no idea what he was talking about too and i'm like really was it the trash can no you're like four of those up there of course all different all the different shades that they offered no i definitely am interested to get with your dad and get his reaction on all of that because I'm sure it was a lot to probably take in. It was. I was really glad though that I talked to him and everything. He really, it was cool. Yeah, I'm sure it was a good time. But that's definitely a good relationship that we've been building up there because it brings in some interesting stuff. Ghostbusters Pro today. Yeah.
    54:36
    If you think about like, if the manufacturer made those original jukeboxes that just stacked the records, saw today's download box, blow their minds away. where's this music coming from? You're pulling it out of the air? The air. I think he might have got, do you remember a couple years ago when Wurlitzer, the, the factory or whatever, did an auction of a bunch of random stuff they had around? I think he got some stuff from there because up in, and not in the jukebox room or whatever, but like out in the warehouse, up on top of one of the shelves, there was like one of the ones that looked just like, it was like a download, but it looked really old and it was still in the crate, but the front of the crate was off and it was like, that looked just like it. Yeah. He also ended up with the road off the old factory the Roe AMI sign, like the big ass letters. Oh, that's cool. And we're like, dude, how'd you end up with these? He's like, well, somebody sent us a picture of a jukebox they wanted to sell. In the background, I could see it. One of the employees when they were tearing the building down had pulled it off the building, took it home, and hung it on his fence for like 30 years. Jesus. And so he ended up getting it from there. It's like one of those things that says something on whatever, whatever, whatever. Cool stuff. Yeah, right? He's like, in the background i saw he's like oh so i'm like what's up with that it's like a push mower well when he spent all that time you know i think he's originally from hagerstown maryland which as people probably know of all the shipping port stuff that's been going on recently that's where all that stuff comes in and out of so him and his dad have been in and out of warehouses and barns and buildings and stuff for you know 80 years 70 years and they just happen upon stuff that's just hanging out collecting dust i mean even in our travels you come across so much randomness It's awesome He's not afraid to hit the road with the truck and trailer And if somebody's got a lead, go in there and see What's going on, American Picker style He does for sure It was a good time up there, good trip I heard that one dude died One of the American Pickers died What? Frank died Was it Frank? Yeah The pudgier one? The pudgier R.I.P. Frank Fritz It's just a description, we're just narrowing it down but no i'm glad you guys had a good time um i definitely was intrigued to hear and see all that of what cars up in there now too yeah i definitely want to get back at some point and just want to continue that relationship because of all the reasons we've already talked about it's good that he's in and out and seeing some interesting things that maybe we can uh pick a few things from the picker and it's in in like his level i'll just say it one more time his level jukeboxes and wall boxes and speakers. It's museum. It's like a museum. It honestly is. And the knowledge he has, it's impressive.
    57:16
    It's even better. I'm glad to see it being preserved. Without a doubt. You'd mentioned it off podcast and I'm definitely going to make it a goal of mine to try to get him on for a special episode where we can do some talk about... We can go sit in his... I'll go sit in his jukebox room and talk to him. I would love that because just listening to the stories and he knows, he remembers. each one you talk to him about, like one was like Sound Tower or something. I don't remember what it was. He can tell you exactly the condition he found it, what he's done to it since, where it came from. He remembers it all. Yeah. And it's so cool to hear because a lot of those, like all the operator calling ones, they've all been new in box he's found. None of them have been like ones that were ever actually operated. Yeah. So very interesting. I told you this. It's crazy to find new in box that old. Oh, without a doubt. Just hanging out in the crate for decades. Oh, the other ones burned. They're used. Yeah, burned. The first time I met his dad out in Hagerstown, he took me into his office, and his desk was a pool table. But it was a special, like, smaller custom pool table desk made by name of pool table manufacturer. By Bally. Yeah, if you sold enough pool tables or were a big distributor, you got that desk. And it was – I love shit like that. That is so – It was in – I'm just – it was drooling all over. It's like, yeah, I'm going to take my strange science with me, but I'm going to drool on your awesome pool table desk for a while. But, yeah, they've had things and seen things that, you know, us mere mortals haven't had the opportunity. And we even operate on the edge, so. Yeah, no kidding.
    58:50
    All right, we're approaching the hour mark already in our ramblings. We're going to talk about some lawnmakers and that we're going to do. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. So, Electric Playground was at the top of the list. Electric Playground, for sure. Coolest aftermarket toppers around. I love the cool stuff. I mean, their Attack from Mars is a fully licensed through planetary pinball. So all of it is on the up and up and is legit. I have the Twilight Zone set at my house with a topper, and it's so awesome. We had one of the first ones on location. Yeah, we did. Yeah, I got in with Robin when they were doing not the official Godzilla topper. The other Godzilla topper. Yeah, the other Godzilla topper. So I've got the old, old school. Just for me, anyone can make a cool plastic that has some lights that ties into a flasher or ties into whatever. Indeed.
    59:40
    It's not just jumpers off of your flasher. The level that they integrate their toppers. And it's only excelling. It's only getting better. It's going beyond what even some of the legit manufacturer ones are in terms of build quality and everything else. I just feel so fortunate to have. I'm just happy you're a part of it. That's exactly right. I plan to keep on, you know, we have all their toppers so far, so we'll just keep that trend going. So they're cool. Keith, Keith is our dude. I was going to say it. I was going to say Keith, dude. Nesbitt's whatever. Nezzy's Prince. Yep. He just came out with a new mod, by the way, for Indy 500s.
    60:16
    Coincidentally, I dropped Indy 500 off. The Opto 4-Bank? He did, yeah. The 4-Bank in the bracket for it that is, like, used to be unobtainable. Yeah. He printed it up and it's available for a fraction of it. But his stuff is all available off the website too. I think it's under like Nezzy's Pinball Mods or something. So on our website, you can go to Nezzy's Pinball Prints, N-E-Z-Z-Y-S, or he also has a shop set up on Pinside as well. The link jumped you to his shop on Pinside. That's where you're headed. But yeah, no, he does some cool stuff and just stuff that's like needed more so than anything else, like really useful stuff, levels, corner protectors, this Indy 500 mod, The Scooby-Doo mod, the auto-launch. I was wondering, do you think that would help out these X-Men whiny people? So I've been digging into that a little more, and you're running into a couple things with X-Men. One, if you have your auto-launch turned up too high, what's happening then is you're causing some side-to-side vibration of the ball, which rattles it around, which is then causing it to lose some momentum. And then the second thing you're running into is that crossover when it goes around the back. If those flaps aren't in there, you know, laying correctly, then you're losing more momentum. So it's a couple different little things that are going on. And I don't know if this would help then. But on the Scooby-Doo, I will say it's been on location because those rivets were blown out. And I'm like, I'll order a new one, but we'll throw it in for now. And that's been like three months and it's still hitting strong. Nice.
    61:51
    Now, another mod maker that I've been impressed with are the Lior mods. I had the opportunity to put in a few of his on somebody's Lebowski, and then to see the crossover that people like him and a few of the others have been doing to where now some of the smaller manufacturers are leveraging them for light boards and for, like, Alice has. I mean, Dutch is using the, what was it? I didn't want to say. Stumbler, thank you. I couldn't think of it. Yeah, they're using his stuff. He's involved with it or whatever. His shit's like super expensive. Right. It is. Because it's legit. It's like a $300. He puts like some real like it's not just. Tech into it. Yeah, exactly. He's buddying up with the Electric Playground guys too. They're buddies. And that's what's neat to see is you have Electric Playground, you have Lior, you have Stumbler, and they're all working kind of in the same little circles of everyone else. and then you see these manufacturers then leveraging them to produce parts for their machines. It's like – That's wild. It's so cool. It's a crazy thing about, too, like, you're just doing this as, like, a hobby, selling stuff on Pinside and all that, and the next thing you know, Dutch Pinball or somebody else is like, hey, we got a new game. You want to be a part of it? Well, that was like with the homebrew. Hey, can you manufacture this for me? Yeah. Well, I mean, it was like with the homebrew section. I saw pictures of George and Keith, Elwin, and a few others playing a lot of these games and then thinking, well, that was Jack Danger a few years ago. That was Keith Elwin a few years ago. That was Ryan McQuaid a few years ago, and now these guys have jobs. Has Ryan McQuaid gone to design anything else yet, though? Scott Denise, Mark Seiden that just did Avatar. All of these people came from the homebrew community that now have legit manufactured games out there. New blood into the mix isn't bad. It's great because you're not just getting recycled things, ideas over and over. You're getting some fresh ideas. Oh, there would be – we wouldn't be where we are without Steve Ritchie and John Borg and some of these other designers. But what some of the fresh blood is bringing in is crazy. Damn, he must have been laying low because you always find him. Well, since he had Metallica, they had him here, there, and everywhere doing things. He was on tour. He wasn't allowed to just hang out. So all day Friday, that was during the Stern tour. Never saw him on Smoke Break. Yeah, he was chained to that. We didn't even run into him at Logan. That's what I'm saying. We saw him last year, we saw him like two or three times. Interesting.
    64:11
    They got him locked up. Any other mod makers? So what about like Mezzle? I did see their real nice prints.
    64:23
    I've definitely gotten a few of those. There's LER Mods is another one I've used in the past that has always had some very cool stuff. Diddy's Mods have had really good success with. So one of our local customers, Scott Dye, who we saw at the show as well, bought a ton of the Diddy's mods. And I spent several hours installing them. And I got to say, like, handling them and all of that, they were all nice quality, nice prints, nice colors, all of that stuff. What's your one buddy out there, dude, the Adam's Family ones?
    64:56
    Oh, you know what I'm talking about? Lee's parts. Lee, yeah, yeah, yeah. He does some very nice stuff, too. His instructions are real nice. I thought his stuff was cool. That's what I was impressed with. The Diddy's mods and one of the other ones that I did, they were just in little Ziploc bags, essentially, and they each had a QR code. You hit the QR code with your phone. Which is such a good idea. It takes you to a PDF or it takes you to a video, and I'm like, wow, this is awesome. That's how it should be. You shouldn't have to fight for instructions and stuff. And I had great success. So, Belt King had hooked me up with a set of the pin lights, and I put them in my Deadpool. Super solid, super easy installation. I have a sign you need to go install on somebody's. I mean, obviously, once I put those pin lights in, you put up the GC, so it made you a better player. I don't know. You could see it. I could see the ball. It was magic. I still don't know what I'm doing, but there's a ball. But yeah if you have a favorite mod maker out there or someone who makes pinball parts let us know I feel like we forgetting about somebody zach who should they email if they want to send us fresh pinball at gmail don been doing some random stuff lately so he had some of his sentinel shooter rods he's also like he's now offering like the don's edition of games that's right which is so so he did what the chum bucket for the kfc bucket the chicken bucket yeah yeah yeah for jaws cool elvira stuff he's been doing start buttons all kinds of crazy stuff what i'm interested to see come from him next is his home brew yeah that he was talking about yeah the zelda because i know he was talking to some people there with fast and in the homebrew section about starting to program this thing up so i think it's coming uh becoming a reality it's exciting it is it's i mean it's easy to talk about and it's easy to speculate and whatever else but there are people out there like doing it yeah And as a Zelda fan, you know, just want to play it. What about art blades? What kind of art blades do you guys prefer?
    66:56
    The Tilt Graphics always has, like, they have, like, it seems like some nice thicker. Barry Allen's. No, Barry Allen. Brian Allen. He just bought those. Yeah, and they're thick. It's like some, the materials are all different, so that's why it's always interesting to me to try the different ones, because we've done those. We've done Tilt. We've done this mirrored ones with the multiple layers. The mirrored ones. Like on Skirt's Tilt. Yeah. That was Tilt, wasn't it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. They also did the light-up ones, too, like on dialed-in, which I thought were too thick. I wasn't crazy about those. And they ran all the time, so it kind of tripped me out a little bit. And they put feedback into the speakers. They did. Those caused more problems. Getting the play field up and down. The concept of it, I liked. The execution of it just was great. Normally, Tilt, though, is a thicker material that doesn't get torn up too easily, so I'm a fan of that. Yeah, with Tilt Graphics, you're going to get a quality product, and you're going to get titles that there were never art blades for. Retro Refurb, that's the one for overseas I've done a few times, a decent amount of times, actually. It's a little bit of a thinner of a material, but they have a lot of different designs. And that's like sometimes for me, it's like I'll ignore it. It's like I'm not crazy about the material they use, but I like the design because it's like if it fits it perfectly and it feels cohesive, then that's what I'm for. So talking about art blades a little bit, you know. I mean, Sterns are nice, too. Like, their factory ones are nice. Their factory ones are fantastic. Those are my favorites because they're the legit ones by the legit artists. Yeah, ties in guaranteed with the art world under glass. Well, whenever we were demoing one of the Ninja Eclipse games over there, I thought Chris Turner did a pretty good job of showing us that along the edges of his play fields, he lined them with felt. The prototype didn't have that. Yeah, so whenever you left them. So do you remember on Twilight Zone I had that first set that was like garbage? It literally got warm. Yeah. It came with felt, though, to put on the edge of the play field as part of the kit. And it was like, holy shit, I've never seen this before. It's like maybe they did it. They're like, our art plates suck. And that was like some eBay, like no name, whatever. And it's like, but I love the design, so I went for it. Just the black and white swirl ones. Yeah. But then I found them from Tiller somewhere. That was like better. But it did come with that little felt lining. I love that idea. Which I was like, oh, okay, that actually, it did make, there was only one part of it that it made too tight to even, like, do anything with, so I trimmed it, but it was a good idea. But how cool is it of a manufacturer to put that on the play field out of the box? Because it's inevitable. As careful as you are. Doesn't matter. As much as you pay attention. I still end up fucking them up. Even with the protectors and all, I still fuck it up. Well, the problem with the protectors for me is they're just so, yeah, you either don't have it with you, they don't fit nicely into the cabinet, you try to put them on there and they're falling off while you're doing whatever. All the time. Our pet's heads are falling off! Fuck!
    69:43
    It's like whenever you have pin stadiums in a game, it's the same thing with the Turner game. Every time I pick it up, they get thumbs off. Yeah, so with Turner, they have the lights integrated into the cabinet glass frame that comes off in one piece. So now when I want to lift my playfield, I take off the frame, which takes the lights off, which now I lift up my playfield. Which American also has down. I'll give it to them because their aura lighting is mounted to the side rails. Yeah, with BBQ. There he is. Yeah, they're supposed to be. So I was talking to him. They're doing add-ons, right? Yeah, Teron over at American, and they have a lot of really cool stuff coming. Pinball-wise, add-ons, polycades. They're going to be doing all kinds of cool stuff, but they're building, from the Armatron side, a bunch of PCBs for other amusement manufacturers. So they have some cool stuff coming. Definitely interested to see what game they have coming next. but yeah they they have uh lots of funness going on there what so we're talking art blades we're talking toppers we're talking mods shooter rods you guys shoot a rod i don't shoot rods aren't from like i don't end up doing them a lot those two le's that are at my house right now they have the food fighters has the factory one and the turtles has like a a head sculpted kind of a thing going on and i'm kind of i could take it or leave it it's really yeah the lights on the I like the ones Zach makes. Sure, I am trying to make some custom ones. I left the doorknob on Munsters when I sent it out. Because I'm like, what are they going to do? I mean, they'll probably rip it off. No, a doorknob will be fine. It's just a doorknob. No, I'm not a huge fan. I have them on a couple of my games. But I was playing the Avatar CE at Expo, and it had the arrow fins on it or whatever. I don't know. They're just awkward more often than not to me. I like the dagger. Yeah. I just like a traditional one Or like the ones that Zach makes I like the J-pop balls I love J-pop balls Yeah the silver ball This explicit episode is brought to you in part by Angelique Star- Always But yeah shooter rods I can take or leave Art blades I'll do Toppers I'm in Anything where you can bring The art of the cabinet Through the inside Should you though? It's the only topper I haven't gotten. So just for consistency's sake, like in 20, 30 years, we're going to be like, ah, we should have got that, but we probably won't. I still don't think I'll like it then. That's all Mando for like $4,200. If it's working. For Allie, I assume. Yeah.
    72:18
    All that stuff in the topper's working still. True. Yeah. Maybe not, never mind. You need to get back to work on your all-Dave Grohl Foo Fighters topper. Oh, dude, that's the end. You're part of the way there. What, two-fifths? We were talking about that earlier. You can get the best of you. The problem is on the right side, it's fine because he's having it that way, but with the guitar to be swinging the other way on the other side, it's going to need to be the mirror image. Can we get one and get it scanned, mirror it, and then have the electric playground guys print it for us? I was just about to say that. Did we talk to them about keychains? We never did, did we? I didn't because you and I didn't see them together. I barely saw them. Every time I saw them, he was like, oh, yeah, we've got to talk, man. Let's hang out. later and like okay but it's like i get it though i talked to we talked to him we we hang out outside of expo corbin expo was like a presidential candidate like i was just dragging him around by his elbow like hey this person wants to talk to you we're slowly dialing in the perfect expo time and i'm thinking like maybe like a little longer interesting very interesting yeah maybe a little longer i'm just gonna say it but no live earlier i don't know what other kind of what so art blades we talked about toppers shooter uh yeah you guys in toppers like what's the you know i'm in i do like toppers i do too i like them and i think from an operator standpoint like they draw people in like if you're looking at a row and they're like oh look at that i think it does for me but not if every game has one i think you have to have some games that don't have them that way the toppers the ones that do draw the eye yeah yeah okay it does make me a little sad that my star trek stays underneath the bulkhead in my basement so there's no room for a topper what is that topper so i'm not even sure if i'm familiar with it it's a laserific one it's not super fancy or whatever stern do one though i mean not that i'm aware okay so it's just okay i've seen that one then okay i just i was like i never even thought about that no nope i was seeing actually some people uh in my feed people popping up that were upgrading from pros to premiums. It's like, man, it's a slippery slope. Your pro turns into a premium. Next thing you know, you're driving to the mountains of Arkansas, into the Ozarks, you know. Picking up some alleys.
    74:32
    I was willing to trade in at least one of you to get that game. I mean, if I came back just, you know, me, the game, and one other person. I'd be fine with that, dude. If I stayed, I wouldn't have been mad. It wouldn't have been so bad. I'd be fine. Caffeine your ribs. Yeah, he kept cooking like he did then. I was actually talking to Tim last week. He was asking about a Metallica Premium. So they're both still hot. Oh, I have no doubt that Tommy and Tim are into it.
    74:59
    But yeah, if anybody wants to email us with your favorite mod maker or your favorite mod, or even whenever you get a game, what are a couple of the things that you immediately have to put on? I know whenever Kyle gets a game, it's immediately, this is getting Art Blades, this is immediately getting a Shaker. That's the Kyle combo.
    75:17
    Actually, Kyle has a Foo Fighters for sale right now. Oh, yeah. Talk about that. Foo Fighters Pro. Oh, you want a Foo Fighters Pro for $54.95? $54.95. He just dropped it a little bit from what he told me. Pick up in Alliance, Ohio.
    75:33
    Hey. Yeah. It's a good shooting game. We were playing it earlier. How do they get at you, Kyle, if they're looking for a Foo Fighters Pro? You have a shaker, don't you? Just email us at freshpenballatgmail.com. Very good. There's a shaker in it. What about those flippers? The lightning flippers, whatever they call it. Not the lightning flippers. The precision flippers. Precision flippers. So Corbin has one game? What's that? The Foo. The Foo? Did you play it? Oh, I could tell the difference, in my opinion. It's almost too much. It is. I think it's almost too much. It's almost too much. I don't think it's necessary, honestly, on that game. For me. Is it lighter? Lighter? So they're aluminum, they're cut out and all that, and they have ball bearings. The whole thing is like, there's no flutility. Talk about snappy. and in like so they also done slow motion videos where like they show the tip of the plastic on the plastic one it's like there's a little give a little give on the steel on the aluminum one it's it stays solid there is no give at all so like i'm telling you i think it's almost too much no i felt the same way about that as i felt about barrio whenever you put the coils in there i want to say max one more in the world that barrios is upgraded it's it's going out in the world the way it should have the way barry osler would have wanted it to be it's going out so corbin made me do a test one side he had the original coil i did you zach and my dad i had all plates and then the other side he had the stern coil so i plunged the ball i shoot the right i shoot the right flipper i'm like oh that feels about the same as as always i finally get the ball over to the left flipper and i basically blast the ball through the stand-up targets right up the middle i'm like when i was backhanding the ramp that's how it should be yeah i'm like oh yeah here we go and you could really rip that spinner then on the other ramp like oh that was nice no loving that loving life it's going out to holy moly so if you want to go down there denison ohio holy moly check it out play some what we're gonna have barrios will be down there on site then that'll be joining rush premium and indiana jones pinball adventure yes yes yes so nice trio down there so do we want to talk about the top earners that quarter up for the past oh please do you know this is one of my favorites i'm sorry not to jump topics but i No, this is the top. Yeah, holy moly, go check it out. Their beer. They got the things.
    77:42
    So, quarter up, we have a number of games up there. I want to talk about the top three. What do you guys think?
    77:48
    And just to give you some references, the past, let's say, two to three weeks, the games I've added in, because new games, I will say, always should be considered, I mean, just for the factor of new. So, Black and White Monsters and Scared to Death are both real fresh.
    78:04
    Avatar's my pick for heaviest cash fans. Yeah, Avatar's up there. Okay, so Jeff's on Avatar. Scared stiff.
    78:12
    Because you don't see him anywhere. I already told Kyle. Jaws is also on my list of heavy cash band for top three.
    78:20
    And then... Wizard of Oz. Ooh, okay. That's always a solid choice. So that's what we're going with? Yeah, sure. Lebowski was unplugged for some unknown reason It only had like 550 in it 550? I mean 350 I'd say top was Black and White Monsters Really? That is phenomenal I think it's just because The wild card hasn't been there before And you don't see them The new excitement factor So then we come in with Scared Stiff. Oh, yeah. What? And Jaws. I'm not that surprised. It's a solid game, dude. No, Avatar and the Top 3. Avatar was up in the same range, too. He asked me what was in the cash pan after one week. He guessed in $2 of it, just so we're clear. With $2. He did. That is impressive. Yep, he did. I was like, yeah. So, Monsters, Scared Stiff, and Jaws. And Avatar, I'd say, was close to Jaws. They weren't far off. Waz is It's always Wick was another one that surprised me this week Wick had some good money in still The more I play Wick I love the shots on it It's challenging It's brutal Looney Tunes has dropped off Yeah it's been up there a minute I think it's time for a fresh spot for that Maybe swap Scooby for it That's what I considered But then we put Scooby up a quarter up We're putting her into the gauntlet Feet into the fire man whatever. I mean, it'll be fine. Of course it'll be fine. And if it's not just gets turned off and makes $5 and it wouldn't be a bad idea to swap it. No, because Looney Tunes would be great. It wasn't turned on. It was unplugged. Looney Tunes would piss me off even more. Back in action. And they left the topper plugged in. Like, really? We can turn it all off. Come on guys. You're killing me here. But so yeah, no. So that, that was our top three for last week. Uh,
    80:26
    the jaws has been, jaws has been pretty consistent. I think that ever since the topper, They keep adding different modes and things. It's really been helping that, I'd say. They've been killing it on Coda, aren't they? Like 0.97 or something on that. So you're literally going to be looking at it at the end of the year. It'll be at 1.0. It absolutely will be. And then new, I'm telling you, the new factor is always a big thing to consider. It is. Especially new that you don't see. Yeah. That's what it comes down to. I love that people are enjoying monsters after it's one year of being detained. It was like in my house for like eight months. It was at Zach's. It was at Corbin's. It was at Paul's. That's a cool game. It is a cool game. It is so cool.
    81:05
    That Franchiart. Oh, okay. So before we wrap up here, I want to talk about... Are we getting close to that? Yeah. I mean, we're approaching an hour and 30 minutes here.
    81:15
    Kyle's... Kyle, a costing bug at the Spooky Booth at Pinball Expo. Honestly, if they still had that, we should just get it for Kyle for Christmas. So tell everyone about this. I kind of wanted them. About this Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It was Texas Chainsaw Massacre, right? Yeah. Play field that they had up there. The only one of the few speakers we don't have. There's absolutely no clear or final artwork whatsoever. You can feel the different layers of stuff. Yeah, you can just like, it's dull. Dull. So I'm like, I looked at it, I looked at it, I looked at it. Phil's like, we should hide this. I'm like, okay. So we hid it. It's a glossy one.
    81:53
    So you went into deep negotiations with... I lost. instead of Kyle negotiating to get it for less have you emailed him and been like dude I'll go up to $105 Bug was arguing that it should in fact cost more because it's more rare than any other place it was though it did have a lot of different differences one of the first things you pulled me over and pointed out so that was one of my highlights of Expo was the table that had all of the ballet drawings like the hand drawn schematics I tried to buy one We were there on the days Pre them trying to jack up the prices We were getting stuff for $30, $45, $85 For like full So they had multiple pages For a game near and dear to my heart Strange Science But they wanted $500 a sheet for it Dude they've been greedy I had to pass I should text Phil right now and find out where the flyers are Yeah Yeah, because we did collect some nice flyers from Expo. And some cool plastics. Yeah. All right, Zach, final thoughts on what we've talked about tonight, Expo, pinball, Olympics, any takeaways? It was a good time. Looking forward to next year like always and seeing what's out there to play. What new games? Well, let me wrap up with this for me. I want to get everyone's opinion except Kyle because he slept in the car on Pequod's Pizza. So there were some doubts. I finally wrangled everyone in to get my favorite Chicago pizza. I never even doubted you. You said, do you want to get pizza? And I said, yes, let's eat. And Zach's like, I've already filled my taco needs. So now you're saying pizza? I'm in. Pizza, let's go. You should have said earlier. So I ordered an individual pizza and the Pequod salad, the small size. And they bring out the salad that was, it put Luigi's cheese salad to like, to shame. It was, that was all I needed to eat. I couldn't even eat the pizza. There was so much food. I have pictures of you from there looking like you're about to go into a coma. Dude, I was dying. It was some good pizza. I had some of the massive deep dish and some thin crust. Yeah, because UNMB ordered the thin.
    84:06
    I was also a little sad at that point. I think I was trying to watch the Guardians and things weren't going well that night. I just kept zooming in. That's the weird brand that they have for the stupid. Enhance. Kyle, any final takeaways, buddy?
    84:25
    Don't have dairy first thing in the morning. Especially if you're lactose intolerant. I got the... So, Zach and I were talking about this earlier. From Portilla's, right? The Italian beef sandwich. Also, your pizza place. I've been there three or four times now. It's good. I'm not disagreeing. No, no, no. I take it back. Did you go wet or dry? I'm going to the... Wet. euro placement oh keep on that one let's talk about some food yeah let's talk about some more food let's go back to the time i'm kind of hungry um they're good the italian beef though we got it from bertiella's in because they were getting hot dogs i'm like hey you know what that picture looks we saw a huge four wide uh billboard on the highway like dude i need a beef so we tried and we got it it was have you tried it from there so are you a chicago beef kind of guy you can do the Italian beef there with the peppers and whatever.
    85:23
    And then they do obviously the Chicago dog and the milkshakes and the cake. Get that shit dry with a side of sauce. Again, as you just fucking dip it. I don't know what you're dipping in your sauce. I wish I could remember the place, the name of the Greek place that we went because that was decadent. That Greek place was so good. I got some shish kebab, pork shish kebab. I wish we would have... We ate so much that we were, like, bored and, like, coma-like. Yeah. We got to go down. Because we were, like, we're going to Logan now, I guess. Which, I mean, we all bounced, filled it in, but everyone else didn't.
    85:56
    No, I feel like at the Greek place, we could have planned it a little better to where each of us could have gotten something different, and then we could have been the whole little, like, family style. Yeah. That would have been the move there. It was good, though. Well, Pinball Expo was great. The eating was equally as good as it turns out. We had that place, and then we had the pizza. So, I mean, that was both. And then Portela's, of course. Well, I mean, the main takeaway for me was the 7-Eleven race car gummies. That was the play for me. Kyle got some on the way into town, and I ended up taking three bags home of the race car gummies. There were little Supras. There were Chevy Malibus. I didn't see these. It was a little Supra. Supras and Malibus? Yeah, it was a Supra and then, like, a Malibu Classic. Do they have any Tauruses or anything? Two Jay-Zs. I didn't see any shows. You know those were THC gummies, right?
    86:47
    I wonder why I felt so weird. They were green apple, man. But no, good time was had by all, I believe. Definitely look forward to future pinball adventures with the crew.
    87:01
    But yeah, Kyle, if you want to play us out with a little bit of mad pinball jingle. Do we have any other events we want to talk about? No, we talked about the upcoming Halloween event. I don't think we really have anything else on the books other than if you want to follow on Facebook, the Hoover Pinball League, they're going to have their X-Men launch party coming up. We should really do something with other people. Yeah. Have some other fun events coming. But if you're looking for something new in box or we have some cool trade-ins coming through, get at Jeff at MadPinball.com or Corbin at MadPinball.com. Yeah, buy that game out of Jeff's house, whatever's over there. The Hobbit. Yeah, that's it. some good pictures of it. And if you need anything from Fresh Pinball, who do you get a hold of?
    87:45
    FreshPinball at Gmulo.com. No problem, Kyle. I do my best. Alright, everybody, thanks for listening, and until next time, keep it flippin' fantastic.
    87:58
    We just started over.