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Episode 80: Dad Jokes and some Pinball News!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Nov 13, 2020
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TL;DR

Episode 80: Sponsors, personal pinball projects, Spider-Man impressions, and dad jokes.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 80 features sponsor announcements (Zen Studios Pinball FX3, Flippin' Out Pinball, PinStadium Lights, Pinball Prices, Pinshades), personal pinball news including discussion of Spider-Man (Stern 2007) and Laser War pricing, and a dad jokes segment. The hosts discuss Arcade 1-Up virtual pinball machines ($500-$600), secondary market pricing trends, and personal collecting/restoration experiences.

Key Claims

  • Arcade 1-Up virtual pinball machines will be priced $500-$600

    high confidence · Scott Ian discussing upcoming Arcade 1-Up pinball virtual cabinets

  • Spider-Man (Stern 2007) was $3,800 brand new, significantly cheaper than modern Sterns

    high confidence · Host discussing Spider-Man in their home collection and commenting on historical pricing

  • Average Laser War sale price on PinballPrices is around $2,100

    medium confidence · Host Scott Ian referencing PinballPrices.com data during Laser War pricing discussion

  • Pinshades are approximately $69.99-$79.99, making the $30 off coupon essentially cutting the price in half

    high confidence · Jockton's sponsor message to Poor Man's Pinball Podcast

  • Attack from Mars has Harry Williams tables, while Marvel and Star Wars Arcade 1-Up models will have their respective IP tables

    medium confidence · Scott Ian discussing Arcade 1-Up pinball cabinet lineup options

  • Firepower typically goes for $1,200; one host sold theirs for nearly double that amount

    medium confidence · Host comparing their Firepower sale pricing to market averages

  • Zen Studios Pinball FX3 is available on Xbox, PS4, PS5, and PC

    high confidence · Sponsor segment advertising Zen Studios Pinball FX3 availability

  • Guns N' Roses (pinball machine) might be slightly delayed but is coming soon

    medium confidence · Host encouraging listeners to contact Zach Sharpe at Flippin' Out Pinball for Guns N' Roses availability

Notable Quotes

  • “You buy this thing, right? Let's just say that it's terrible. You could sell it for $200, no problem.”

    Scott Ian — Rationalization of $500-600 Arcade 1-Up virtual pinball investment risk

  • “There's just something way different about it than modern stories... it feels dirtier. It's literally heavier.”

    Host (discussing Spider-Man Stern 2007) — Comparing build quality and feel of older Stern machines to modern production

  • “2007 wasn't that long ago, right, people? ... it was 13 years ago, but whatever. But, yeah, just crazy that it was half the price of what they are now.”

    Host — Highlighting price inflation in pinball market over 13 years ($3,800 vs ~$7,000+ today)

  • “PORMANS with an S for $30 off... it can't be combined with any other coupons.”

    Jockton (via sponsor message) — Pinshades Black Friday/Poor Man's Batman Forever coupon code announcement

  • “Just go to Pinside and type in crazy stupid prices, and you'll find... All of them.”

    Host (discussing unrealistic asking prices for used machines) — Commentary on secondary market pricing bubble and unrealistic seller expectations

Entities

Zach SharpepersonJocktonpersonMatt ScottpersonJeff PattersonpersonScott IanpersonDrewpersonZen StudioscompanyFlippin' Out PinballcompanyPinStadium Lightscompany

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Arcade 1-Up announcing three virtual pinball cabinet models (Marvel, Star Wars, Attack from Mars) priced $500-$600

    high · Scott Ian: 'there's three base models. There's a Marvel pin that they announced... it's going to be... $500 to $600'

  • $

    market_signal: Discussion of secondary market pricing anomalies: Spider-Man (2007) $3,800 brand new vs ~$7,000+ today; Laser War asking $3,400 when average is $2,100; Firepower sold for $2,400 vs $1,200 average

    high · Hosts discussing PinballPrices data and specific machine valuations throughout personal news segment

  • ?

    content_signal: Pinshades Black Friday promotion: $30 off coupon (PORMANS code) on ~$70-80 pin shades, valid through day after Thanksgiving; bulk shipping around December 15

    high · Jockton's detailed sponsor message with specific codes, pricing, and promotional timeline

  • ?

    product_concern: Concern about Arcade 1-Up virtual pinball table physics quality; older licensed tables (Star Wars, Marvel) have floaty ball physics vs Harry Williams tables which 'shoot so much better'

    medium · Scott Ian: 'there's just something about the Harry Williams tables. They just shoot so much better... The ball's a bit floaty. The physics is a bit off'

  • ?

    community_signal: Active community participation through dad joke submissions, chat donations (bits), and Twitch engagement during live podcast recording

    high · Multiple tribe members submitting dad jokes, references to chat messages from Jeremy Schmitz and other community members

Transcript

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0:00
This episode of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is brought to you by many great sponsors. One of those sponsors being Zen Studios with Pinball FX3. Check them out. We got all kinds of brand new tables. We got lots of cool Williams stuff. We got what? Tales of the Raven and Knight. We got Hurricane. We got Comet. What else do they got? They got everything, right? Oh, Face Station. Yeah. Badass, by the way.
0:22
Dr. Dude, Party Zone, Black Rose. Creature from the Black Lagoon. Creature. Motsubash, which I just did. And on Twitch here, I got the Monsters of Rock on there. Check them all out. You can get it on Xbox. You can get it on PS4. You can get it on probably the new PS5, I'm assuming. You can get it on your PC. You can get it anywhere. It's awesome. Can you get it on my PlayStation 2? Probably not, fuckers. I'm going to try it on my Nintendo tomorrow. Yes. Raspberry Pi, maybe? Probably. I don't know. But check out Zen Studios, Pinball FX3. They're a great new sponsor of the show. We are also sponsored by Twip. This Week in Pinball, we steal all kinds of stuff from Jeff. We got some great news bits for that today. I won't share them with you now. We'll share them with you later. We have Flippin' Out Pinball. Thank you, Zach and Nicole, for all the great gifts, all the great support. You're just hyped today. I am. I am on fire today. She's excited, kids. You want a new game? Call Zach. Text Zach. Flippin' Out Pinball. Get yourself a new game. Get yourself on the list. Guns N' Roses might be a little delayed, but it is coming out. Get on the list. He will get it to you. It's not his fault. You know, it is what it is. Leave him alone. Why don't you just leave Brittany alone? Leave him alone. Penn Stadium Lights. You need to light up your game. You have a game that's a little dark. Maybe you just have a game that needs a little more pizzazz. Get Penn Stadium Lights. Go visit Scott at Penn Stadium Lights. Use poormans.checkout for 10% off your order. He's got the Hyper Beams. He's got all kinds of cool stuff. Check it out. Buy the accessories. Buy everything you need. PinballPrices.com. Doc Finlay. Always doing good work over there. We're buying games. We're selling games. Check out pinballprices.com anytime you're either buying or selling a game. And last, but certainly not least, and I saved this one today for a special reason, Pinshades. Our buddy, Jackton, he has come up with a great special just for our listeners. Are you ready for this? He sent us this awesome message. I'm excited. I'm going to read it in its entirety, okay? Hey, guys. This is from Jockton, the proprietor of Pinshades, which you can find on the Pinside Marketplace. Hey, guys, I really appreciate your show and letting me be a sponsor. I laugh every week when you tell everyone the butthole song is not representative of the views of your sponsors. Secretly it is, he says.
Pinball Pricescompany
Pinshadescompany
Spider-Man (Stern 2007)game
Laser Wargame
Guns N' Rosesgame
Arcade 1-Upcompany
Firepowergame
The Simpsonsgame
Ryan C.person
Jeremy Schmitzperson
  • ?

    product_strategy: Hosts positioning Arcade 1-Up virtual pinball as low-risk investment (~$500-600) with resale floor of ~$200 if unsatisfied

    medium · Host: 'Let's just say that it's terrible... You could sell it for $200, no problem. You know, you get some fun out of it... you're like, well, I don't have the room... you sell it to someone for half price, they'll buy it'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Spider-Man (Stern 2007) noted as having heavier, more durable construction ('thicker wood') and different play feel compared to modern Sterns despite being only 13 years old

    medium · Host: 'It feels dirtier, first of all. It's literally heavier. Like they use different... They use thicker wood or something... the sad thing is that game... brand new was about $3,800'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Host discussing arcade monitor restoration economics: $75 asking price for defective green channel ($45 negotiated); needs ~$45 repair work

    low · Host discussing arcade monitor with failed green channel; sold for $45 despite asking $75

  • $

    market_signal: Significant price inflation documented: Spider-Man $3,800 in 2007 vs ~$7,000-15,000 for modern Stern pinball machines in 2020s

    high · Host: '2007 wasn't that long ago... 13 years ago... just crazy that it was half the price of what they are now'

  • ?

    business_signal: Flippin' Out Pinball (Zach Sharpe) managing availability and waitlist for Guns N' Roses pinball; minor delays expected

    medium · Host: 'Guns N' Roses might be a little delayed, but it is coming out. Get on the list... it's not his fault'

    • 2:39
    Anyways, I'm doing a Black Friday sale, and you will have the biggest discount. That means for us and our listeners at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, we have the best discount for Pinshades to date. To date. Your listeners, watchers can have $30 off coupon. You got that? $30 off Pinshades. That is spectacular. The code is PORMANS with an S. See, this was the big thing. We always went back and forth, right? So it's PORMANS with an S now for $30 off. That will give them $30 off. It can't be combined with any other coupons. So PORMAN, which is good for free shipping, don't use that one. Use PORMANS with an S, okay? It's worth noting that the free shipping coupon is especially valuable for your listeners. out of the country because $30 off, right? That's awesome. Dr. John, if you don't have pin shades, bro, you're a doctor. You can afford this, man. We're going to send them to you, but you've got to pay. You've got to buy them. We're going to let you buy them.
    3:34
    Poor man's style. The free shipping coupon will still be good after Black Friday, but the $30 off coupon will expire on Black Friday at midnight. How much are the pin shades? Kaz wants to know. They're about $80, I think. $80. Right? I think they're $69.99 or $79. So he's basically cutting the price in half. How great is that? Even though it's a Black Friday promotion, it starts now. So today, you go right now. Don't go during our show, I guess. It's good all the way to the day after Thanksgiving. That's Black Friday for all you Aussies, okay?
    4:03
    All orders will be shipped around December 15th. So he's doing a special batch. So you place your orders now December 15th. They'll try to get them to you by Christmas. That sounds fair. One last thing. People can find Pinshades by typing Pinshades.me in their browser. I feel like that's fake.
    4:21
    No, I know it is, Dakin. Dakin is real. I'm just saying that fucking website sounds... Pinshades.me. Smart man. He's smart. In their browser. They don't need to Google or search. Oh, see? We've been saying that all along. How do you find it? What do you do? Pinshades.me. Yeah. Pinshades.me. You sound right when I say it. No.
    4:41
    Not right. Sorry. Jackson. They don't need to Google our search. Anyway, you are still my favorite podcast and Drew is my absolute favorite, he says, and I can't wait until the next one. And more Drew, is what he says. Yeah, sure. So then he said, LOL. He has a big dick. Dot me. Check the coupon. Already existing. It is already poor man's with an S for free shipping. Let me come up with another name for the Black Friday sale. Actually, hang on, here's the deal. Poor man's BF. As in Black Friday. So, Poor Man's BF is perfect. BF stands for so many things. So that's a code they put in? Yes, after reading all that. Jesus Christ. Go to Pinshades.me and type in Poor Man's BF. Poor Man's. With an F? Yeah, with an F. Poor Man's BF. Yes. You're my BFF.
    5:37
    Forever. Not since that time Ryan C. left early to help Pinball fight in the Great E-Wool War have we heard two people talk about Pinball out of their butt holes. And that, of course, is why I say this is the 4 Man Pinball Podcast.
    6:00
    Thank you. Thank you very much there. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the 4 Man Pinball Podcast. Episode number 80. Did I get it right? You did it. This is the first time in like eight weeks you've done it. Well, you know what? Drew said he had a feeling this was going to be a good show. So maybe I had to throw out a right number. But yeah, 80. You know, every time I hear MartinListener15, tribe member number something, every time he does our intro, I was just thinking, like, he lives in Wisconsin now. So, like, he's closer than ever. Martin, we welcome you. Oh, shit. Welcome to Wisconsin once again.
    6:40
    Oh, no, I messed this up. No. Fucking shit up in the beginning. So, folks. I shit all over my screen. Yeah, why'd you do that? Because you made me laugh. I don't know why. Eh. All right, well, welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast again. Drew, what are you drinking?
    6:56
    I'm drinking Poor Man's Pinball Podcast whiskey, which is better known as Kessler. Oh, he blurted. And squirt. What do you think, folks? Do I look okay? I look okay. I'm still red. Wearing my red shirt. So I'm red. Yeah. Oh, it's so goddamn blurry. Try again.
    7:17
    And we're focused. Right there. Now I think we're back to the same spot. Yep, that's it. So, yeah, Kessler is great. Okay, and I am drinking my tequila and beer some more. I thought, what the hell? Oh, some more loaded Dos Iquis? Well, we still got a shit ton of tequila, and we got a shit ton of beer, and put them together, and what do you get? You get some good podcasting.
    7:47
    That's the podcast, huh? What's a good podcasting song? Something that smells like tequila. Shitty beer and tequila.
    7:55
    Smells like skunk beer and tequila. I think that's me. I think that might be me, guys. So how was your week, buddy? again man it went by really fast dude i they seem to go faster um yeah you weren't kidding he spit all over his keyboard i told you man i'm just a lot of that is old residue for other times i spit on my keyboard it's all good i laugh a lot um no man this week's been good man how about your week yeah lots of work uh lots of cool pinball stuff this week so that's cool um yeah I'm pretty excited. It's been a good week. I got more cool pinball stuff on the horizon.
    8:40
    How was that? Well, you know what? Here's the problem. When you start drinking the beer, then you fill it up with tequila. It's not good. You got to just do the bubble. Yeah, because it's more tequila. It's like a perfect amount of tequila. And if you don't judge that bubble right, you just end up pouring a shit ton of tequila and beer.
    8:57
    Which is what I did. Well, there you go. But we have a special treat for you guys today. What do we got? It's Dad Joke Day. Dad Joke Day! So, I don't think we have an official time. Well, well, well, well, well. Hold on. We got to get the... You folks are totally missing out. It's all these balls bouncing around.
    9:20
    On the live show. That's all I'm saying. Okay. So, let's see. What do we got here? Do-do-do-do-do. So, we got... Dad Jokes. Yep. We got Dad Jokes. We got some poor man's pinball personal news, as always. We got a lot of news from TWIP. So thank you, Jeff Patterson. There's a lot of cool little nuggets this week that we're just going to touch on. Nothing crazy. We got some tribe members in chat. We got some great stuff. Billy Y.J.
    9:44
    And then, yeah. Brad Hopkins, Michael Williams. Oz is in. Brad Hopkins hasn't been here in a while. Absolutely. Our newest tribe member, Cavalier88. Oh, Jeremy Schmitz. Welcome aboard, sir. Welcome, brother. Raw, welcome, number 36. Number 12. Yeah, Timmy. I envision on the other side. Daniel Donald's here. So on the other side of this, these guys that are watching us and these girls that are watching us, are they all in their underwear? No. Like eating cookies and drinking? That's what I envision. Maybe. Let us know. Who's in their underwear right now? Hey, guys, what you wearing? Yeah. What you drinking? What you wearing? Oh, that. Is it clear coat episode part two? I hope not. You guys. Fuck, I don't want to talk about this shit. Well, you know what? We will actually. We will touch on a little bit of that, but not necessarily the clear coat. I mean, it's just. You want me to talk clear coat? I will. Yeah, we'll get to a smidgen of that, but we're not going through a whole episode because I can't take it.
    10:48
    Well, at the end of the day, we don't know what they're using, so what's the point? Yeah. It's not good enough. Fair enough. Hey, we got a little home pin news. We'll talk about home pin, you know, like Thunderbirds home pin. It's amazing. So, anyways, what else you got going on, Ian?
    11:08
    Well, I streamed some more Zen Studio stuff. Well, because I've been really, really interested in the upcoming pinball, the virtual pinball from Arcade 1-Up. Okay. And, you know, there's three base models. There's a Marvel pin that they announced. So they're going to have the Marvel tables in that one. Do they announce the price yet or not? Yeah, it's going to be, they say $500 to $600. Okay. Star Wars has all the Star Wars tables on it, and then they have the Attack from Mars one, which has all the Williams tables in it, which sucks.
    11:46
    Because, you know, like, I was on the Pinball FX3. I was streaming the other night. So you guys check out that stream that I just did a couple nights ago. But I tried to play some of the other Star Wars tables. I wanted to play some Marvel tables. And, you know, they're good, right? But there's just something about the Williams tables. They just shoot so much better. I feel like a lot of their tables that they make up, you know, the ball's a bit floaty. The physics is a bit off. Because I don't know how old those tables are. But the newer stuff that they've been releasing has been great. Sure, because those are like, they're making them themselves. Yeah. Well, I think they made the other ones themselves, too. No, no, no, but I mean, like, you know how Attack from Mars plays. Yeah, I guess. So if you play that virtually, it might be different, but you don't know how a Star Wars fantasy pin plays. Does that make sense? Whatever. But Pinball Nerd's podcast says he's in bed with his boxes ready for bed. Oh, I love it. Can you send us a picture? 414. Eating Takis in my undies, said Tim. Jesse J is... Oh, nothing. Cavalier. Nothing. Underwear, Oreos, and whiskey. MJ. Mike Williams. Mike? I want a picture of that. Brad Hopkins. BJs. All right. Well, thanks, everybody. We're overdressed for this thing. Look at me wearing pants. We need to have a pajama party for one of these.
    13:19
    Truly. Let's do it. Let's start having theme nights. That's what's going to start happening. Let's start with sombreros. Billy Y.J., I heard the one that isn't made by Zen isn't going to have cabinet mode. What is that? Wait, wait. I don't know, Billy. Explain that better. Yeah. Okay. Explain that a little bit better. So these are the, it's like three-quarter size, right? Oh, yeah, they're small. They're tiny. They're tiny little things. Yeah. I think the screen was like 24 inches or something. I mean, think about it, man. They probably make these things for $100, so you know the feel is going to feel like shit. But it's supposed to have the haptic feedback and stuff. No, no, I know. Which is really cool. I was, well. You know someone's going to hack it, too. Sure. It's going to have all the troubles. The first, exactly. And the first couple reviews I saw on it looked pretty good. Right. So it's something that down the line I might be interested in. And we'll talk about something similar as we go forward here. Happy Monday, Tiki Pinball. Yeah, no, I agree, man. And I'm optimistic because, come on, $500, $600 in this hobby? What is that? Sure. Exactly. You buy this thing, right? Let's just say that it's terrible. Yeah. You could sell it for $200, no problem. Yep. You know, you get some fun out of it. You play some games, whatever. And then you're like, well, I don't have the room or it just wasn't what I thought. You sell it to someone for half price, they'll buy it. Well, look at some of those other arcade one-ups, right? You know, you get like the Star Wars one that's like $500. Yep. There's three games on there. Yep. No, and I think... All with the yolk, you know? Every single time... Cool, right? Cool. Very cool. It looks cool, but is it worth 500 bucks? No, it's not worth 500 bucks. No. Every time they make a new one, though, they get better from where they came from. Well, right. I hope they improve the artwork. Yeah. Well, you can get your own decals.
    15:14
    They rub off. All right. So that's what I did. I streamed a little bit of pinball. It was fun. That was my week. What about you, Ben?
    15:27
    For pinball stuff? This is your segment, buddy. Personal pinball news. You didn't talk about laser war. Okay, cool. Am I supposed to? So I am selling some arcade parts. I'm selling an arcade monitor and a Ninja Gaiden board. and one guy in Illinois didn't want to make the drive just for the monitor. He said, what else do you have? I was like, well, I have this arcade board. He's like, no, not enough. I'm like, I have a pinball machine. He's like, what's the pinball machine? I said, Laser War. And he's like, well, how much do you want for that? Do you have any pictures? And I send him a bunch of pictures and video of you playing. Remember, this is the best Laser War of all time.
    16:10
    He's like, well, how much do you want for it? You know, and Drew and I went back and forth, and we were just like, fuck it, let's shoot him a price, you know, $3,400, see what he says. And he didn't even count her. He was like, no, that's way more than I would ever pay for a laser war. He says, in fact, that's way more than I paid for my prototype laser war. And I was just like, Drew, I don't think it's happening. And Drew, we're laughing about it because we know it's not worth $3,400. but there are some games that are, you know, it's, you know, pinballprices.com has it at, I think, the average sale price is $2,100. We're not awful, but it's also a little bit better than any of the average ones that we're sold. Well, yeah, like I told Ian, okay, so the average price is $2,100. That's a game without powder coat. That's a game that's just in regular condition. and it plays, but probably nothing's been done to it.
    17:09
    This one, A, has Penn Stadiums, which adds value. Oh, I still without the Penn Stadiums. Fuck that. You cheap bastard. Those are the Hyper Beams. I got to swap them out. That's fine. But anyways, then to his point, though, I said the average firepower goes for $1,200. I managed to get almost twice that for mine, right? which is pretty good. You know, I did a lot of work. I lost a couple hundred dollars, granted, because I was learning how to do it, and I got a little overboard, as I often do. So I bought shit, you know, and I overdid it. But at the end of the day, you know, I got quite a bit more money for it because it was in really nice shape. Because who pays $2,500 for a firepower? Almost nobody, but I got that. You know what I mean? So, yeah, when we're asking $3,400 for a laser, where, I mean, just go to Pinside and type in crazy stupid prices, and you'll find... All of them. Yeah. You'll just find ridiculous stuff. What does Zach do? Deals of what the fuck, right? I mean, there was a guy, Zach did this one. He restored a Paragon, right? Restored.
    18:20
    It was a nice-looking Paragon, but he was asking, like, six grand for it. You know, Paragons go for, like, 1,800 bucks or something, and the play field still needed to work. I mean, it wasn't, like, pristine, so, you know, and it was fixed up or whatever. But, yeah, six grand because I had some powder coat, and it's like, no, that's ridiculous. So we're not ridiculous. Buy LaserWarp. Super great. How much does a monitor go for? Well, an average arcade monitor, those go up in price nowadays because they're harder and harder to come by. Depends on the size. A good one, yeah, a good one. I don't know. I paid $100 for one that was pretty decent, but that was quite a few years ago. I'm sure that they've gone up considerably since then. Those large, like, golden tee ones, those will sometimes fetch, like, $300 or $400. But those are medium res, though. Correct. They can't put those in. No, no, no. No, but those are the 25, 27-inch. There are other ones that are standard res that go for quite a bit, depending on quality. The one I have for sale is fantastic shape. It's very clean. There's no burn in. However, it stopped shooting the green, you know. So now everything's kind of blue and red. So you need red. You need the green to kind of balance it out. So it needs a little bit of work, I guess. Let's try it, Marker. I don't care. No. I'm just like, I can, it's like $45. I'll take, you know, someone can come by and just grab it from me.
    19:43
    I put it for $75, but I think a guy's coming by to pick it up for $45. I was fine with it. So I just want to talk a little bit about Spider-Man. Big surprise. So, I got Spider-Man in my house last week, two weeks ago, whatever. I've been playing it a lot.
    20:02
    Here's my takeaways, okay? I've played it before, but here's my takeaways. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's just something way different about it than modern stories. What, you're Spider-Man? Yes. Okay. Yeah, so, you know, this was 2007, and now you fast forward to today, which is, you know, almost 15 years later.
    20:26
    It's just, not that I like the new Sterns. Once again, I'm a Stern fanboy, but there's just something about it. The theme aside, I love the theme because it's one of my favorite themes, but just the way the game plays, the way it feels, really awesome. It's just It feels different than all the modern sterns Does that make sense?
    20:49
    Yes No Explain, elaborate Well, it's It feels dirtier, first of all It's literally heavier Like they use different They use thicker wood or something Isn't your Simpsons heavier? Yes Well, then you shouldn't have been surprised No No, not terribly Same kind of construction, right? Simpsons was a few years earlier Yeah So Simpsons, I think, was 2003 And Spider-Man was 2007 Okay So they were from basically the same era, a little different board set. But I'm just saying, like, it takes nothing away from the new Sterns, but just playing it, I'm like, there's something enjoyable about it. Higher bomb. Yeah. More money. So they put more money in it. And like I said, the sad thing is that game. Thicker wood. So 2007, that's what she said. Thicker wood. 2007 wasn't that long ago, right, people? Yep. And that game, I think everyone said brand new was about $3,800. Yep. That drives me nuts. Yep. Because I'm like, 2007 wasn't an economy ago. I mean, that wasn't like, you know, it was 13 years ago, but whatever. But, yeah, just crazy that it was half the price of what they are now. Dr. Horrible, Drew had thicker wood. You know it, brother.
    22:09
    Jesse J., what's up, buttholes? What up, Jesse J.? Cheers, Jesse. Dad joke. Oh, dad joke. I forgot we were doing dad jokes. I got some good ones. You know what? I was going to save this one for later, but I'm just going to bring this out right away. So let's just describe the dad joke thing. We never set it up. Okay, so we set up a random timer to hear the ding. Ding. Here it is again. That means dad joke time. Drew will do one. I'll do one. And we'll have an audience member do one if you guys have some dad jokes. if you do have dad jokes make sure you add us on chat so we can see that you you're talking to us but yeah that is dad jokes so one of the fan favorites so go ahead Drew I want to preface this by saying I am not trying to piss anybody off oh it's a political one yes it is so my I'm a centrist so I'm kind of in the center of a lot of things we're not going to get into that So this is not a political statement because we've gotten a few emails in the past that Ian and I were talking about one person, one side or the other. This is not that. I just thought this was fucking hilarious. You ready? If anybody, if anyone takes their political advice from us. You're an idiot. You're in a world of hurt, kids. Yes. Because we're bigger idiots and that would make you a pretty big idiot for listening to us. Have you seen our show? I'm just prefacing all that. Don't send us any emails about it. I don't want to hear it. No. Ready? Yep. Why can't Trump go to the White House anymore?
    23:41
    Why not? Because it's for Biden. There you go, kids. And that's bad jokes. That's what we do here. Do you have us playing in the background? I feel like I hear us. I had. Oh, okay. So there you go. Poor man. What did? All right.
    24:01
    We'll do another one. All right. Pinball Nerds Podcast. Here we go. Thanks, Orby. What did the drummer name his... Anna 1, Anna 2, damn it. That one's been more than any other one. That joke's done. It's dead. We've banned that one like four episodes ago. Because there's probably about six to ten jokes that we've told once or twice. Yes. More than the first time. But that one has been told like five times. It's done. It's over. Pivotal Nerds podcast retracts his 500 bitties after that Trump joke. I'll get them back from you. That's all right. I'll get them back from you. Are we able to do biddies this time? Are we unlocked? I don't even know. Jesse J., can I submit a dad joke? I got a great one. Go ahead, Jesse J. Absolutely. We'll read one more. It's for everybody. It's for the world. Yep. All right, so onward. All right, so Spider-Man, high build quality. Yeah. Higher build materials, 3,500 brand new. Is that what I got? Yeah, so many mechs, just lots of metal. It's just a great game. It's good for you, man. You liking it? Oh, I'm loving it. All right. I am loving it. That's what we're all here for. Yes. The love of pinball. Absolutely loving it. All right. What else is new in your mouth? Okay. So, Jesse J said, what's the difference between a hippo and a zippo?
    25:18
    Is the N an H? Jesse J, we're waiting. Oh, Jesus. You didn't even have an answer. One's a little heavy and one's a little lighter. Oh, Jesus. Oh, no.
    25:38
    I love it. That's good. It was good. It was really good. All right. So what else we got? Biddies, Jeremy Schmitz. Those are the bits on Twitch. Basically, every bit is a penny, he was asking. Oh, what are biddies? Yeah. Biddies are what help us pay the bill. Or you can subscribe, which is way better, because then we get more money. So subscribe. Yeah. Subscribe. Or not. Yeah. We don't have Patreon yet. We'll take your money. Mm-hmm. All right. Why don't seagulls fly by the bay? Because they'd be bagels. Thank you. That one's actually pretty good. Mike Williams. Mike Williams, well played, sir. All right. So do you guys want to do a podcast today, or should we just go? One more, and then we're going back, okay?
    26:28
    Pinball Doc, when does a joke turn into a dad joke? When it becomes apparent. Oh, my God. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we have officially entered Dad Joke Day.
    26:39
    Okay, so, yes, that's really good, Pinball Doc, so thank you. Okay, so what is this? You can. Can I mention one thing from last week's episode? Yes. So when I was doing slight editing and checking out our audio and transcribing it, or not transcribing it, but recording it so I can put it on our podcast form, I did notice that Ryan C. right away stopped by in chat, said, Hey, guys, Ryan C. here. Just wanted to say one thing. You guys are cunts. And then he left. And I just wanted to say that made me laugh so hard. So, Ryan C., I know you've already came and gone, but we appreciate you, Ryan C. thank you sir that was that was pretty damn funny that last week ryan's how many years just to call you a couple of cunts and then he left yep yep yep uh what a beautiful man yeah no that's uh that's good thanks thanks for the dad jokes guys we got plenty more coming today so anyways um the the next bit of my pinball news for the week so much like orbital albert sometimes i participate in some extracurricular activities. And it's not legal in Wisconsin yet, but there's a lot of states around us that it is. Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota. You guys know what I'm talking about. So my wife, we have friends of ours in Minneapolis that send us some of these awesome little gummy treats, okay? What kind of gummy treats? They're just, they're like gummy bears.
    28:09
    There's no THC in them? But you don't want to have like 10 of them, I'll tell you that much. Oh, we're going to play that game? Yeah. You just want to have a couple of them. So some magical gummy bears. So I'm talking to Tim Lee, our buddy Tim Lee. Some Orbeez treats. That's what I call them. Yeah the Orbeez treats Orbeez snacks So Tim Lee sends me a text message and he said Oh here I was playing Avengers and this is my score You know I only played a few games It was like I don know 85 million And I said to him, I said, Man, last night I had a couple of gummies, and I scored a grand champion, like 350 million, right? I just blew up Avengers. I was focused. I was on it. And he goes, What's a gummy? God bless you, Tim Lee. so I had to explain to him what it was really funny you're so innocent Tim Lee I love that man but it was just kind of funny but it is weird because every time I've grand championed Avengers so far I've had at least one or two gummies every single time I've done it like three or four times you gotta gummy it up for the attorneys oh man I'm just there and I'm like just hyper focused I'm like hit the light do it again Hit the light. I see all the lights. Yeah, it's crazy. It's so slow. You know, then, of course, I'm stone cold sober. Maybe it's the morning. I get some coffee, and I'm, like, shooting. It's, like, 10 million. I'm, like, well, what the shit? You know, like, this isn't anything like last night. Dude, morning and afternoon pinball are not the same as night pinball. No. Isn't that weird? It is weird. My wife's weird. You guys notice that, too, out there? It's quiet in the house. Like that. Tony Scoots, gummy and pinball equals winner. Tony you get the two thumbs up for the day um so yeah it's just I don't know it's just awesome so anyways uh ace eight tracks what up buttholes what up ace so yeah man uh you know funny story um I think you'd appreciate it Drew a little bit you probably get a little jaded about it but so Drew and Kathleen uh Drew's wife beautiful wife and lovely woman invited us over my wife and I over to Bonfire Friday night, but we had like this parent-teacher conference thing for our daycare. I know, it's a long story. How does that work? I don't care. That's on Zoom. It doesn't matter.
    30:29
    So we're going through it, you know, we're watching, and there's a bunch of fucking rules and regulations and shit we're supposed to do, and some of the shit, I'm zoning out, and my wife is like, hands me the little baby children's syringe full of gummy juice, if I will, some syrup. Yep.
    30:51
    Took it. I'm a wimp when it comes to that stuff. This isn't antivirus syrup. I melted into the chair.
    31:03
    And that conference took twice as long. You're on the Zoom meeting room. I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck is going on right now? And so, you know, super baked on a Zoom meeting for my child's daycare. And I'm just like, it lasted forever. But I was in no shape to do anything but maybe shit and go to sleep. That was about it. So I never made it over to Drew and Kathleen's, unfortunately. Yeah, we were wondering what happened to you. We were having a good time. No, and then sometime either later that night or the next day, someone's like, yeah, Ian. And, oh, and I think you texted my wife. Yeah. Texted my wife, and he's like, I'm too high to come over right now. I was wasted. Now, I can handle this shit. Like, the booze, the keg. I can do this all day long when it comes to, you know, that kind of shit, these edibles. They fuck me. And you know what? I'm never, like, never good high. It's always, like, half asleep. All I want to do is crow into bed. Yeah. I can't never take that any time other than before bed. What I find is the gummies are much more mellow and a lot less invasive, if you will. That syrup takes much longer, but when it slaps you, it just bitch slaps. It's just like you're done.
    32:28
    Yeah, it's good stuff, though. Got to love it. Got to fucking love it. Everyone's agreeing before bed is good. Yes, it does. It does help you sleep. Oh, man. to sleep on that stuff is amazing. The problem is the sleep is too good. You close your eyes, you float a little bit, and then you wake up because the alarm's going off. Oh, my God.
    32:47
    I just cut off my two big dogs. Anyway, this is a pinball podcast. What do we got going on? That was my pinball news. A bunch of grand champion scores. I know for the Ian Howers of the world, go ahead with your dad joke.
    33:03
    All right, dad joke, dad joke, dad joke. What do we got here? This is like Drew. He always takes three years to load it up. You're such a fucking asshole.
    33:13
    But I love you. What do you call a depressed man with a robotic arm? A cyborg. A depressed man with a robotic arm. A cyborg. Okay. All right. Okay, ladies and gentlemen. We're finally back to the pinball show. We're going to talk about pinball. This isn't the pinball network. Silver balls, couple flippers, three pop bumpers, boom. Art, sound effects.
    33:44
    So what do you want to talk about, Drew? All right. So what did we steal from Twip? We stole a lot from Twip. All right. Are you ready for this? Should we get some music in? Yeah, we need some Twip music. We need someone to write a song that says, like, I love Jeff Patterson. Twip is awesome. We steal all our shit from him. That's my song.
    34:13
    Love letters. G4. G4 is online. Why is Santa's sack so large? I don't know. He only comes once a year. Oh, Jesus.
    34:24
    G4 is online. You belong here. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir, for that one. I don't have any music for this segment, so. John, ha, ha, let's talk some pinball. No, wait. Dad joking said, you're right. We can do it all. Okay, anyways. So, Twip. There was actually a lot of cool stuff. I really do want to get to some of this because it was interesting. And like I said, I want to celebrate Jeff Patterson and what he does on Twip. I really do appreciate it. And, yeah, just some cool stuff. So here we go. Stern. Stern has been releasing lots of code. They've been churning it out. We mentioned that last week. Yes, and they did. They've been doing more. And then all of a sudden, Kaneda mentioned it. Every week. He's a big fan of our show, guys. He needs to stop stealing our material. No, I'm joking. He's going to start dad jokes next week. No, but you're right. We noticed it, though. It's every time. Lots of code. Every time we go on, they're just fucking with Josh Mudd now because Josh Mudd has been asking for month's codes. They're like, oh, TMNT, Elvira. They'll go all around him. Like, they will go, Deadpool, Beatles, and then they'll go back.
    35:33
    Sorry, Josh Mudd. I'm going to fuck that guy over. You know what, though? You might, maybe someday, Lyman will get his hands on it, and they'll do, like, the 2.0, like he did with Metallica. Because, you know, he was the guy in Metallica, but then they released, that was, believe it or not, that was code 1.8. You know, not that those numbers mean anything, but most of the code then, that, like, 1.1 or 1.2. Right. That was 1.8. That was, like, a full overhaul, and, like... Well, Stern's games have been being released lately, with the exception of Stranger Kings, with Stranger Things with more code, which has been awesome. Yeah, everything's been almost complete. And they have some consecutive code updates months later. Yeah, every week, every month. It's pretty damn cool. So, yeah, Turtles has a new code. By the way, I'm going to put this in the machine because I just got to see this. Did you see that 1987 Turtles code? No.
    36:26
    This one guy, he's offering it for free on Pinside. Oh, you're talking about the actual cartoon. The actual cartoon. He switches around a lot of shit. Yeah. And he said, he's like, what Stern did with the animation stuff was great. But he goes, when you play this, you're thinking about the cartoon, right? Tons of clips from the original cartoon. Super cool. All you need is an SD card. You put it on there. You put it in. You're on your way. Super awesome. Very cool. So anyways. I can't wait to play your Turtles. I haven't heard anything. I'm having fun with Avengers Pro, though. Thank you, Zach and Nicole. Avengers is fucking phenomenal. It is fucking phenomenal. The Pro is, again, and I will go on record saying, is probably the most fully featured, fully fledged Pro that I've seen from Stern in years. I've changed my mind on that just because it wouldn't be bolted to the floor, as most things in my house are not. The Pro is fine. The Pro is great. If that's like one of your dream themes. Have to go premium. You have to. Or LE. You have to. Yes. But if you're a casual. If you're just a pinball fan. Yeah, if you're a casual. Awesome. Do not feel like you have to go premium. No, I play that game and I smile. Like every time I make a shot, I smile. It's just one of those games. Yep, exactly. You know, that's just the way it is. No, I was really pleased with that. And to put it next to your Jurassic Park premium and be like. Yeah, looks about the same, right? Yeah, like, you know, aside from the awesome dinosaur head that moves. Like, obviously, that's a big feature, but, no, it's a great, great pro. So, anyways, so, yeah, lots of code coming out. Yeah, I think Turtles and Elvira. Are we going to talk about Topper? Yes, we are. Oh, okay. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Toppers for $1,000. Yeah, so, yeah. It looks cool. What game looks $500 cool? I don't even think that much, quite honestly. Really? Yeah. I'll pay $500 for anything that's mechanized. Okay, fair enough. If it's just straight up plastic and there's light show to it. You know what I found out, though, today? You can take off that logo. That was a big thing because it has a logo right above the logo. What logo above the logo? So the game. Yeah. No, no, no. The turtles. So Turtles is right on your Translight. Yep. And then right above it, if you get the topper, the logo's right there. Oh, so there's two screws you can take the logo off. Ah, gotcha. It's like another piece of plastic.
    39:09
    Tony, excuse me. You guys should have Kaneda on the show for an interview. We did. We'll have him again. We'll get him riled up for you guys. We'll shoot the shit with Kaneda. You know what? I and I, we're good battle buddies.
    39:22
    I don't know what that fucking means. We're okay. Hey, like, you know, Chris is Chris, and that's why we love him. And we don't want him to ever change. People want him to change all the time. All I want from him is to wear some fucking socks. That's it. Other than that, I don't give a shit. That's not true. I want him to always go socks. There's something to talk about. Do-do-do-do-do. Sockwatch. Chris, if you come to Wisconsin, if you come in the winter, you can wear no socks. How's that?
    39:50
    I'll allow it. Okay. Anyways. I would love to drink with him. Oh, that would be the best. Come on. Who wouldn't want to drink with Chris? So, hang on. We get wasted. We get sloppy. Real quick. I'm not going to go on a huge tangent here. Everybody in the pinball hobby, fans, creators, content creators, who would you want to drink with the most? One person. You get to choose one person. Fans and content creators. Everybody in the hobby. Our fans, Kaneda, all the designers, everyone in the house, Gary Stern. Oh, even like the people in the manufacturing. There is nobody off limits. Who do you want to drink with? And I don't mean like I'm going to have a drink with them. I mean, we're going to go out. We're going to do it. Well, it's Steve Ritchie. Okay.
    40:39
    Steve Ritchie, this one's to you, buddy. My hearing's shit. His hearing's shit. We couldn't hear anything we said to each other. It'd be great. Steve, I'm going to the store. Spears restroom. Zach is in there. Can you hear me? Steve! Someone needs to hold my penis while I puke. How can I hold my junk while I'm puking? Steve, for the love of God.
    41:06
    How about you, buddy? That's hard. Like, we're just going out. We're just tying one on, right? Python Angelo would have been cool if he was there. Oh, yeah. That would have been a good one. I feel like that would have been fucking weird, though. Maybe. That night with Ted with LSD, I feel. Yeah. You know what, though? I mean, all things considered, like, Gary Stern just getting, like, blitzed and annihilated might be kind of fun. Sure. You know, with all the vodka he drinks, supposedly. Jack Danger would be fun to drink. Jack Danger would be a good one. Who else? There's a handful.
    41:42
    Just one person, though. That is tough. See, I asked the question. Yeah, let's... Yeah, Steve Ritchie would be fun, though. Yeah, no doubt. How about you guys out there in chat? Yeah. Give us your thoughts.
    41:54
    Oh, I'm taking it back. Jesse J. Yeah, you can't say that now that you see it. All right. Let's see. Tim passed on the topper. We'll go back to the topper. Hold on. Steve Ritchie, 100% for me since Python isn't available. Jesse J. Holy shit. Jesse J. and I had the same thoughts. Love it, Jesse.
    42:11
    Steve could drink you under the table. Buddy, I would love to try. I'm always up for the challenge. I'm a little man, but I can hold it. Let's see. Well, obviously, the people in this chat, the answer is easy. I already drank bourbon with Steve on the dock of MGC. Gary Stern, Mike Williams. I would have to say Jesse J. Oh, Tony.
    42:36
    Jesse J. doesn't drink. I don't believe that. They are stealing your answer, Jesse J. No, Jesse J. and I think we just think alike. All right, Jesse J. Jesus Christ. Um, Gary Stern drink old fashions, does he? I don't know. I thought he was a vodka drinker. He's a vodka dude. That was the rumor. Vodka dudes ain't nothing. Okay. Ain't nothing. So, anyways, Dwight Sullivan gave a little Easter egg to Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. Yes. I saw that. So, in the new TMNT code, code 1.23, I think it is. Are we done with the topper talk? Yeah. Okay. Well, we can be. I mean. It's just a lot. It is. Would you have liked something else for the topper? No, no. I think the topper looks really great. Yeah, I think it does, too. It looks awesome. Does it come with a mode? No, no mode. Are we sure? Pretty sure. Just the eye. Guys, does it come with a mode? I thought it came with a mode. It doesn't matter. It's $1,000. I'm sorry. Like I said, I'm the biggest capitalist in the room here, but I just, ugh. It just makes me feel dirty. like prison pro one jesse j will you have a drink with me if i make parole zhang um that was the waynes world reference don't worry we are thumbs up for those of you that are listening we're all over the place yeah yeah um so topper we're gonna put the nail in it well no no we can we can talk a few comments about i mean what do you a thousand dollars I mean, they keep selling them, so they're going to do it. $750 for R2-D2, right? Well, you know, to your point, though, what was it? Man, maybe earlier this year where you're, like, feeling a little priced out of the hobby. Yeah. Like, yeah, you're right. You are a little priced out. The $600 Jurassic Park topper. A little priced out of the hobby, you know, because you want the nice stuff, but it's only for the people that are rich. Yes. Yes, because it's like... And Tim Lee. Yeah, and Tim Lee. I know he bowed out, but he was going to. Because it's like, sure, I could afford a $1,000 topper, but I just don't feel like it's... Your wife would hang your balls next to it. She would. Most certainly.
    44:53
    But it just doesn't... Don't you remember the days when toppers came with the machines? I just feel like it should be part of it. Here's the thing. I think I told you guys last week, I got that Spider-Man, right? It had the cool Chrome Web Spider-Man topper. It just flips up. It's just flat, you know. Yeah. But it's just, it looks like his suit, and it says Spider-Man. It's classy.
    45:14
    It was free. Mm-hmm. And if Stern sold that today, they would literally charge probably $300 or $400 for it. Mm-hmm. You know, there's no lights. There's no nothing. But I'm just like, ah, it's just. You want to see the best topper ever? Yes. Get that topper. So to people who like toppers, it's fine. I actually think some toppers are really cool. I just, it's just too much for me. It's just not what I want to spend my money on. That is the best thing about that. Ziggy, ziggy, ziggy, ziggy. Oi, oi, oi. But seriously, so how much would Stern charge for that? It's plastic. $300. It moves.
    45:52
    Probably $1,000. It's this. What? It speaks? Play me. $1,000. But with that being said, isn't there stuff like this in every hobby, though? You know, if you're into guitars or you're into cars or you're into video games, think about all the downloadable content that video games sells you, right? So I'm not mad at Stern. I applaud their entrepreneurial efforts. I just, oh, Dash Muffin, Chad. Oh, boy. Whitewater topper. Hi, Josh. Whitewater topper. Josh Mudd. No, I don't have the whitewater topper. You know why. I told it to you, buddy, and everyone gave me shit.
    46:44
    But being priced out is being priced out. Why don't they do the same thing with toppers that they do with games? Pro premium LE.
    46:53
    You know, to me, honestly, I think every LE should have a topper. And I think every premium should have the option for like a couple hundred bucks. No, I think an LE should have a premium topper, right, with all the bells and whistles. Agreed. Your, what did I say? Premium. No, the limited edition should have the. Should have a topper. A premium topper. Like the Turtles topper and the Avira topper, those should come with LEs. Yep. Yes. If you own a, or if you're getting a premium Stern machine, okay, that should have. Sorry, Tony, JJPCE comes with a topper? Yes, and they won't ship for like two years, and you're paying $12,500.
    47:35
    Well, no, and that's what I'm saying. It should. It should come with a topper. Well, I know, but that one's $12,500 compared to the other one. I understand that. Well, you're going to have to pay more anyway. They're going to charge you $1,000 regardless. I'd rather if you built it. Less of an app break. So you're saying instead of $9,200, maybe they say this is $10,000, but here's your topper. Yes. And then Premium has a poor man's version of the topper. Right? Like a four-man version? Duct tape and trippy. Just something up there. This is a turtle's topper. TMNT.
    48:09
    In duct tape. Could happen. An empty pizza box. That's it. Boom. There's your topper. But then you could have an option to purchase the premium one if you wanted to. The limited edition topper. And I would be remiss if I didn't talk about... If you got a pro, fuck it. You're getting a pro. You don't get a topper. Sure. No, that's fair. That's how it goes. No, that's fair. Did you guys see? I saw the topper. So Mrs. Pin, the beautiful wife of Dr. Pin, who is the co-host of the super awesome pinball show with Chris Franchi, she makes toppers for all their games. You mean Christian Fine?
    48:47
    Christian Line? Yeah, I said he's the co-host with Chris Franchi. Oh, God. Are you listening? I'm drunk. You're like my wife. You don't listen to me. Okay, anyways. Feeling good. so she makes homemade toppers for all their games so they bought a guns and roses le when they went to that thing with uh chris ranchi right yeah did you see the picture of this thing yeah so she makes this uh diorama it's really awesome it's got like slashes hat and it's got those cool like they're like one sixth scale guitars they're about a foot tall i bought a couple 16th whatever i I bought a couple for Iron Maiden. They're very cool. They look like actual real guitars, but they're, you know, they're just smaller, obviously. Dang.
    49:30
    Oh, I got some dad jokes. Hang on. Here we go. Taking forever, as Ian says. Now he's drunk, he's going to stay even longer.
    49:41
    My drum roll. At a garage sale yesterday, I got a George Foreman grill and a Muhammad Ali DVD set. Both boxed. I was waiting for the box set, you know, with the box set. That's awesome. Okay, what do you guys got? Josh Mudd, diarrhea? Hee hee. Man, diorama, bro. What else? Come on, guys, where's your dad jokes? Josh Mudd. We don't do potty humor on the Poor Man's Pinball podcast. You got a dad joke out there, guys? We are classy. I'll do a dad joke. Fuck him. All right, here we go. I'm going to answer all this stuff, but that's okay. I saw a man going up a hill with a trolley full of horseshoes, four-leaf clovers, and rabbit's feet. I thought, well, he's pushing his luck.
    50:32
    The poor man's version made out of cardboard. You better believe it, buddy, with some Christmas lights. Oh, I'm just saying, like, a cheap version, but it's up there. It's up on the top. Anyway, she probably spent, like, you know, those guitars aren't cheap. She had three or four of them. She had a cool little drum set. I could see $100 in all with craft supplies. No, no, no. Those guitars are not cheap. Oh, okay. I don't know. Well, no, they're like 20. When I say not cheap, they're like $28 a piece. She probably spent like $150 to $200 on everything, and she made this cool topper. So I don't know. Yeah, it was super awesome. No pun intended.
    51:13
    I didn't even try to do that. All right. But anyways, hats off to them. No pun intended again. Slash his hat. No pun.
    51:23
    So, yeah, we can move past hoppers. They are what they are. Yeah, you know what? It's fine. Yeah, I just wanted to touch on it. So is this a PG format on this Twitter deal? No. No, Josh, it's not. We can fuck shit, motherfuck, cunt, bitch. See, I did good. Bitch, bitch, bitch.
    51:40
    Bitch, bitch, bitch. Cunt money. Okay. LOL. Well, shit fuck. After everyone agreed to move on from toppers, here we are, says Jonathan Hall. Yep. We're moving on. We're washing hands with this. No more topper talk. Okay. All right. So here's what else we got. You ready? Sure. You're drunk as shit right now, actually. I'm feeling great. I love it. It was a long day. Okay.
    52:04
    So apparently there is a Star Wars home pin comic edition. Star Wars home pin. But they did a comic edition. Comic edition. They redid the art on the Home Pin. Oh, I thought you meant Home Pin like the manufacturer. No, no, no. They call them the Home Pins. No, I know that. The pin. Oh, God. They're saying about Home Pin. They told me we were going to talk about Home Pin. They're saying about Home Pin, actually. Is that the thing about Home Pin? The actual Home Pin company.
    52:34
    I'm all over the place today. Yes, you are. I'm trying to figure it all out. What the fuck are we talking about? You know why this is interesting, how they found it? It's not interesting. I'm joking. Oh, my God. I love the whole pin. No, it's pretty good. It's a good game. I still consider it from time to time. It priced me out, though. It is.
    52:54
    So on the pinball show, on the pinball network, Zach and Dennis. What am I kidding? Everything prices me out. So Zach, being a distributor, you think he would know this shit, right? Yeah. He goes, I knew nothing about it. There's a magazine. It's called Hammonschlager. It's kind of like SkyMall. They just sell, like, you know, stuff. They sell pop culture stuff. They sell everything. But anyways, so in this Hammer, I think it's called Hammerschlager or something like that. Hammerschlagen. That's the nail game we played. That's the nail game, but this is like two names. Whatever. But they had it for sale in there for $4,500, which is about the right price, because I think they retail for $3,999 or $4,200 or whatever. Right. So it was close. But it had all the comic book art on it. So cool. Yeah, it was cool. And Zach knew nothing about it, so maybe it was some special thing, or maybe they are going to be releasing more. But will it help them sell a few more units? Maybe. I don't know. But it was really cool. I really like the comic book edition. Oh, it's awesome. I really like it. No, it really is. I wonder how that's selling, though. Is that going to be like the super rare edition?
    54:07
    Zach's? He's out of stock right now. I mean, they're sold out. I don't know how many he got, but they're hard to find. They're going to be running more. The problem is, all right, theme A+, game, I don't know, B-, right? Game is a B-, and the problem is third has been on a roll with games that are B+, and A's.
    54:30
    True, true. That's the problem. But, you know, someone, I was reading a recent thread about this actual topic, just about what, someone said, like, what happened with Star Wars, right? Right. And the consensus was kind of what we already know, but when you kind of hear it out loud, you're like, yeah. So Star Wars has all the assets, right?
    54:53
    Yeah. It has everything you can ask for. It literally has movie clips. It's there. It's the movie on the screen. but then you look at the play field and you're like and even my wife who knows nothing about pinball doesn't give a shit about pinball I told her today I might be getting a Star Wars long story we'll talk about it later she said to me she doesn't care that I'm getting it but she goes that game sucks and I said well what do you mean she goes well that game is just terrible if I tell her I'm getting Deadpool she's like oh that's cool you know what I mean and she saw it once or twice at this place we used to go to.
    55:32
    But yeah, it has all the assets and none of the mechs. Now, what does Jurassic Park have? Jurassic Park has all the mechs, right? And none of the assets. None of the assets. So what would you rather have? And don't say a balance. You don't get to choose. You get one or the other. Would you rather have a super cool feature like Jurassic Park with the T-Rex and the Raptors? All right, can we just, to make it easy for me? Yep. because I love Star Wars more than I love Dress for the Day. I know you do. I just say Star Wars, right? Yeah. Would you like a version where it had all the assets? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I understand. But in my mind... Okay, no, that's fair. I get where you're going. Yeah, so Star Wars, would I rather have a crazy shooting pin with not many assets or would I rather have a bear pin with all the assets? And I would have... I would want more on the play field. Okay, that's fair. Because I play the play field, I don't play the monitor. You know, absolutely. So that's where I would be at. But me also being a Star Wars fan and playing a lot of the game, you know, my first impression was lackluster. I'll admit it. Yeah. But then as I played it more and I learned the rules as a pinball nerd,
    56:44
    and Mike Williams I'm sure will attest, I know he has one in his basement, it's a really deep, cool game with a lot of cool assets, and there is a lot of Star Wars stuff there So it tough But yeah everyone would like more stuff on the play field Hey Josh Mudd fuck shit fuck All right. Well, I feel like everyone's falling asleep out there because it's interesting, though, and I like it. I like the topic, and that's the delicate balance that they have to walk. Not everything can be Deadpool where they have a killer shit on the play field. No, absolutely. killer video clips. Look at Beatles. Beatles, yeah, it's a fun game to shoot, but then you add the music and the franchise art and stuff, and you're like, wow, this game really comes together. Even though there's not a ton on the play field, it's still a super cool game. Cocktail break? Yeah, we'll do a cocktail break. All right, guys, we're going to do a cocktail break, and we'll be right back.
    57:52
    Thank you. Tony Schertz, I miss the EMUs too. I do, I do. I don't think $4,500 makes pinball more accessible to anyone that's not already in the hobby.
    59:53
    Jonathan Hall, you're 100% correct, sir. No, but if somebody is not in the hobby and they look at $6,000 or $7,000 or $8,000, yeah, they might get a little turned off. So then the theory was that a distributor could say, well, we have this game that's good for a basement or a home, and it's a couple thousand less and it's brand new.
    60:17
    So, to that, it is what it is. And, you know what? Once again, the Spider-Man home pin kind of sucked. But the Star Wars home pin is actually kind of cool.
    60:27
    So, there you go. Those are, and that's not an opinion, by the way. That's a fact. Dad joke, gasoline, here we go. Or dad G4, Celine.
    60:37
    What does the receptionist at the sperm bank say when you leave? Thanks for coming. I like how they edit that out. on the chat. Did they? Yeah, right here. I'm looking. Receptionist at the... Oh, this wasn't edited on my... Oh, because you got the main feed or something. I don't know. It's edited in real chat. Guess what I can say? Sperm bank, sperm bank, sperm bank. Star, star, star, star.
    61:04
    Star Wars home pin is awful and locked away on ball two. Well, it's not that bad. Tim Lee. You guys are fucking uppity pinballers, though. Yeah. You guys are on another level. Yeah, you guys are... Collectors edition or nothing. You guys buy every new game ever, Tim Lee? I said no to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles topper, but that home pin was bullshit. I bought this topper because someday I'll have a game.
    61:31
    Tim Lee, I love you, buddy. All right, Dad joke. What washes up on the shores of small beaches? Microwaves. Oh, my God. What is happening here? What is going on? All right, pinball, baby. Let's talk some pinball. Yeah, let's do that, please. Can we start? I have all L-E's and C's, says Tim. I know you don't, Mr. Pro.
    61:53
    Okay, speaking of that, JJP, so GNR, L-E's are on the line. GNR, L-E's? Yep. Nice. So let's talk just a little bit. Don't get near clear coat science. No, I won't.
    62:12
    What do we think about this? I mean, once again, I'll credit Mr. Kaneda. There was a point brought up that they're waiting to make the CEs, okay? And now you would say, well, maybe they're waiting because they need to figure out this clear-code issue, right? Maybe. However, if they were planning on running the CEs, say, like this month or like in December,
    62:37
    and those play fields come from Germany, by the way, so guess what's already on the boat? That actually makes a lot of sense, right? So either way, Jersey Jack probably has, I don't know, let's say 2,000 of these play fields already on a boat coming here or are already here, correct? We can assume that. Yeah, I was thinking about last week was, you know, when Canada was talking about how the play field issues happened in the CEs even though things were cured up long enough. The Wonkas you're talking about, right? I thought he was talking about the Pirates. Oh, the Pirates were sitting around forever? Oh, yeah, because they were actually sitting for a while before they were. Yeah, that's right. And he was like, well, how come it happened to that? Sure. And I was thinking about that. They sat for months and months and months. I didn't have a good answer at the time, but now I'm thinking, like,
    63:30
    could it have been that they got the playfields in and they just pounded in those posts and hammered and torqued on them as soon as they were in and they weren't hardened enough? Well, that's. And then they put them in the shipping containers or in their boxes, and then they sat for months. Like, we don't know. Oh, you mean they populated the play field? Yeah, they made them, and then they sat in the containers forever. We don't know. And that's my point. We have no idea. And to say that they're going to fix the problem for the collector's editions now? What is this, their first game? No, no, no. That was an assumption. Well, I'm just saying. Yeah. What is this, their first game? It's a dumb assumption. They're not going to fix it now. They have already released a bunch of games using the same process. What I posted on our site holds true. This is my official stance, is what they're using is not acceptable for production pinball. Now, it will work for your home pinball saying, hey, Miracle wants to make your play field clear coat. Perfect, right? You can use the Miracle clear coat system. They can clear your play field. You can wait the appropriate amount of time. You can screw in every little post very gently, and you can be very, very careful with it for the first few weeks. And then as it hardens up, you'll be good to go. But that's not how production is done. That's not how assembly lines are done. They get them in, they get them populated, they get them out, and they get their money. Once again, how long would it have to sit to cure? I don't know what product they're using. It's hard to say. But clearly this product is very finicky, and this product needs some time to harden up. But I'm just saying, like, okay, so they have, okay, let's assume that, okay, these play fields are here, right? Yep. They're here. Yep. And they said, okay, we have these issues. We were going to use these 500 play fields for the CEs. Mm-hmm. but what we're going to do with these 500 is instead of we're going to make some more LEs, and we're going to leave these 500 play fields until January. Yeah, to help them clear up. Yeah. Cure up. Makes sense to me. Well, I know, but now they're going to sit for a month. Is that going to be enough? Well, it worked for Wonka. I thought Wonka had some issues with it. Had they? CE?
    65:48
    Wonka didn't have any CE issues? Nope. I thought they had a couple, but I'm not sure. Okay. So my whole point is this, guys. Long story short, like I said, Miracle's process is not good enough for production pinball. And I have to make a correction from last week. So last week we talked about how PPG makes diamond plate, and you can still get the formula for diamond plate. Actually, I learned that it's actually sun.
    66:21
    Oh, God damn it. Something Sun. Suncoast, Suncrest, Sun... Suncoast, Bimbo? Sun... Somebody help me out there in chat. But they're a printer manufacturer, so they do screen printing and stuff. And they did the Williams games back in the day. And they're the ones that did Diamond Plate. And it is a process all their own. And they no longer do the Diamond Plate process. But how is it... See, I was told now from a few sources that PPG made diamond plate. I think I'm wrong. I think it's the sun place. Okay. Does anyone remember? Is Mike Williams in the chat? Mike Williams? He's here. You know what I'm talking about? He would know. It's sun something. Hold on. I can Google it quick.
    67:11
    From Google, most detailers and body shops would like to give you a 30- and 90-day cure time. Sure. That makes sense. Just bring it to Spooky American Pinball and you're done. Yeah, so Charlie from Spooky has gone on record as early as last week and said if somebody asked him, he would share it with them. You know, he wouldn't share his recipes per se, but he would give them some tips and help them out.
    67:37
    Dr. John, we know a son on your butt works. But here's my question, Ian. I don't want to be a dick, so I'm not trying to be a dick, but I just got to ask, okay? Yep. So how is it that you make it sound so simple, but a multimillion-dollar company can't figure it out? Two multimillion-dollar companies can't figure it out. And we can't just keep saying, like, oh, profit and this and that, because waiting 30, I mean, we waited two years for this game or whatever. I mean, waiting 30 days or 60 days is not a big deal for anybody, especially if they didn't announce it. So why do you make it sound so simple and then this multimillion dollar company can't figure it out? No, I don't think I've made it sound simple at all. Well, not simple. You know what I mean, though. I think what I've been describing is a very generic way of talking about it because I want it to be simple for everyone to understand. And that was my point. Like a simple clear coat isn't exactly that simple. There's a lot of things that can go wrong with a very good clear coat, and that was my whole point. And, sorry, Mike Williams, who works in a similar industry, sometime we need to have a discussion about catalysts and unspecified specifications and how badly they can affect product quality. Yes. Okay. I'm sure everyone would love that one, but we're not going down that road. We can talk that. But you understand my question, right? Like, it's just like Sun Process is the name of the company that did the diamond plate. But if it was literally just a lookup, if it was literally just waiting longer, no, no, do that. Here's the thing. Looking at something like this, if I were to go on to a job site and I saw what I see on some of these play fields, to me, I would I would question now if I know the product, which I don't know the product. That's the whole thing. We don't know. No, we don't know what Miracle uses. We just don't. And to get within, forget about specifics because we don't have them. They use unicorn poop. We just don't have specific products. I called up a guy from Mirco, and he said unicorn poop, and they smear it all over the play field. The clear unicorn poop. That's why it's so expensive.
    69:52
    And in Australia, they use the clear poop. You know, Gary Stern said he'd pay for some good unicorn clear shit.
    70:01
    Anyway. No, no, no. In all honesty, the idea behind it is very simple. But in actuality, what they need to do is they literally have to go out there and find someone who's willing to, A, take on this task. B, it's hard to be profitable with clear-coding play fields. Meaning Stern needs these at a respectable time. They need them at a respectable rate. And they need to make sure that they're hard enough so they can start to populate these play fields. And on top of that, you own a big factory because you need places to put these pinball machines or pinball play fields. You need to buy all this clear coat. You need to buy the spray equipment. You need to buy the solvents, the thinners. You need to be able to store these things. You need drying racks. You need everything. There's a lot that goes into it. And then you've got to go and turn to Stern and be like, well, this is my dollar amount. And Stern's going to be like, oh, that's too much. And then they're like, we're just going to go elsewhere. Like, there's a lot that goes to it. Like, we couldn't just, like, open up our garage one day and be like, Ian has a good clear coat. Why don't you send me 500 clear coats? But you can't because there's a lot that goes to it.
    71:23
    Temperature. No, no, I get all that. We don't need to go into it. No, no, no, but why can't Mirko do all this before they even ship them? Well, for a couple things, Mike Williams hit it right on the head. They might have VOC restrictions. Maybe they have a hard time finding the appropriate clear coat that they need that will do exactly what Stern needs them to do and JJP. Because Europe is more strict than the United States. According to Mike Williams, yeah. And I don't know the facts, so I would totally rely on his expertise on that. He says it's pretty strict. Well, let's do what we do here in America and turn a blind eye to regulations. So what does Spooky do in CGC? Or, no, sorry, Spooky and American Payball do? they found someone that does it rather locally, and they clearly use a better process. No, they do. They figured it out because they had a rash of issues with TNA. Yeah, no. And then they figured it out, and like I said, Alice Cooper was flawless. My Oktoberfest has no dimples.
    72:22
    Sorry, my Monster Bash SE had an absolute shit ton of dimples. Yeah, it had some dimples, but the clear coats still look really good. Yeah, it didn't fail, but it still has dimples. It's still soft. It's too soft. Listen, if you had the appropriate clear coat, it shouldn't dimple. It means it's just too soft for the ball bearing, the pinball. It's too soft. And why, you know, we're going to do that all day. We're not going to do that. We can go back and circle. We're not. Again, why does it sound so simple? The idea is simple, but the actual process is very complicated, and I don't know there's enough people out there in America that can actually fulfill these demands. I guess now I'm thinking about it, like the hardtop that I put on Firepower. Why can't they just use something like that? Well, that's another option, but people don't like that stuff. Like a thin plastic. People are fucking – all right, sorry, pinball people, but I'm going to yell at you for a second. Pinball people are fucking all over the place. They want, oh, we've got to have a wood play field. Oh, but we also need a fucking inch thick of clear coat because it's got to play well on a wood play field. But we need that clear coat, and we can't have anything else like plexiglass or anything else to interfere with our wood play field. And I'm like, that makes no sense. Logical sense. No logical sense. Because a thin piece of plastic would make a lot of sense, right? That would make as much sense as a fucking clear coat, a thin piece of clear coat. You're building up that thickness? Come on, man. Well, no, I'm just thinking like. I know. It makes no sense to me, though. You don't even have to stick it down. You just make it so you can glue the, or you just, you know, stick the pop-up. Honda has it right. Yeah, they do. All right. I don't care what you guys say about, oh, the ball's going to roll differently. Fuck that. Pinball's pinball. It's like a pool table, right, Drew? You go to a bar. You go to a bar, right? Are all pool tables created equal, Drew? Nope. Fuck. No, they're not. You have to learn the individual way of how a pinball's done. We're getting rid of clear code altogether. Get rid of it. Just don't even use it. But the glass is cheaper anyway. It's super cheap. Super cheap. Like, because then, if you need a new one, guess what? You can cut a new one, 100 bucks, you're on your way. Yeah. Right? Reverse print that shit. Invest a little bit to get that up front going. Done. But no. We need a fucking clear coat. We need it to, because reasons. Yeah, could you? Wait, wait, wait. No, I just had a thought. No, I'm going to break everyone's brain. I haven't even checked chat. They're probably screaming at me. Can you print the art on aluminum? I'm sure you could, right? Just have an aluminum? Sure. Just have an aluminum sheet. Oh, my God. Right? True. Look at me.
    75:23
    And aluminum's white, right? So you got a little piece of aluminum. You print the art right on there. I want to play Kels. Kels is cool as shit, too. You put your pop bumpers and shit on there. You're good to go. Aluminum. Good to go. Aluminum wins. Oh, man. We're going to kill everybody. Flying sparks. Flying. That's like Trump saying inject bleach. Yeah, pretty much. Whatever.
    75:49
    Aluminum foil? Yeah. Just get a foil. Roll it out. Here, here's my aluminum foil. Okay, we got it. Who's got his markers? He'll make a plaything for you. Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah, wait till you see my meteor that I botched up. Okay. Anyway, moving on. What do we got now? Speaking of haggis. Should we do some? Do a dad joke, dude. Oh, yeah. It's been a while. All right, we got dad jokes out there in chat?
    76:17
    I have some good ones, too. Ooh, this one's good. Did you hear about the guy shooting paper towel rolls in the wild?
    76:26
    He was a bounty hunter. Oh. What the hell? Do another one. I was sitting on the toilet, angry, late for work, and I thought, I don't have time for this shit.
    76:43
    Oh, shit. I got one more. They keep coming. There's so many. I can't not do them. Have you heard the one about the guy who dipped his testicles in glitter?
    76:56
    No. Pretty nuts. Okay. Moving on. Oh, I got a room shot. Hurry in. That's awesome. Yeah, you were boom, boom, boom, boom. I liked it. All right. It's firing like a machine gun. Okay.
    77:13
    That's me, folks. All these balls bouncing around. All right, so go ahead. That's me, folks. The highest interview with the pinball show. So, Dr. John, are you in chat? I know you interviewed Damien there.
    77:28
    The coolest thing was he talked about a new game because they asked him about his current game. They're shipping. They're making them. They're coming out slowly, but they're getting there. Hold on. Sorry, we've got to go to chat. Here, go ahead. One second. Michael Williams, God, no. Aluminum is way too soft.
    77:50
    Thanks, Mike Williams, for injecting a little bit of sanity here. Wait, wait. The aluminum is softer than the wood that dimples, like, constantly? I want a titanium play field guaranteed 100-year quality. Laugh my ass off. My grandpa played on wood, and by God, I'll play on wood, so help me. Yeah, see? No, but that's part of the problem. What is your Thunderbird news? Oh, we're getting to that in a moment. Yep. Yep, we're getting to that in two seconds here. Back on the end of the show, that was Dr. John. Please tell me there is a fucking Friday live stream after this to go even more off the rails. Yeah.
    78:28
    We haven't gone on the rails yet. My friends, I don't know what you think being on the rails is like, but this is not it. They actually make aluminum condoms, though. Oh, that's awesome.
    78:42
    Like an iron man. But the thing about, I know carbon fiber, okay, how about this? Carbon fiber is expensive, but is it really more expensive than the wood and the printing and the clear coat? And, you know, I don't know. I mean, the point is we reinvent stuff all the time, and here's the problem. You guys were saying it in chat. most pinball people are so set in their ways, they're like, I won't accept this other way. You can have a wood playing field. And it's like, well, okay, yeah, sure. But having an inch of clear coat doesn't help in anybody. That's not wood anymore. Sure. Exactly. No, that's a good point. Because you took wood, but you're not really playing on the wood. You're playing on the... Is it really an inch of clear coat? Probably not. No. It's a lot of clear coat. It's an idea. See, I wish I knew what those damn beeps were.
    79:31
    I get nothing. No notification. Thanks, guys. I want to thank whoever that beep was. Was that a bit? I can't remember. Okay, so. We've got to figure that out. Yeah, anyways, Haggis Pinball, they have a game that's been in development for a few months.
    79:48
    Maybe even six months now, he says. Arcade Animal just followed us. Thank you, Arcade Animal. That's what that was. Kate Crissow. He followed us, too. Hey, what up, buddy? I miss you, man. Chris Haper. Yeah, we miss you. Kate Crissow, thank you. So they're looking to bring something else to market in 2022 But they have a couple of other things that they're hoping to realize in 2021 So Haggis Pinball has a lot going on in the pipeline That's good 2021? What are they doing in 2021? They said that, well, they have a game to spend development for six months Other than KELTS Okay And they want that one by 2022, they said But they also have other things for 2021 And I agree with, even though KELTS is cool and it'll do fine. Put the kilt on. I'm excited for it. Maybe.
    80:40
    Carbon fiber is brittle. Well, isn't it tough though too? I don't know. Whatever. You're brittle. Yeah. We're done with this. We're moving on from that.
    80:52
    They should. I'm going to throw up here. Haga should help other companies make their shit and make their money that way. That's making me the same. Yeah. Well, no, it's true. Make the play field. But that was a Canadian suggestion. You know, they have some. I want to give Canada some credit there. That was a Canadian. It's a good thing. It is.
    81:12
    I don't think they make play fields for American pinball or for CGC or JJP. Because it goes back to what we talked about last week. At the end of the day, it only matters if enough people complain. No, you're right. Let's say it happens to 50% of the play field and only 25% of those people. That's why I didn't say Stern, because Stern might sell 5,000 games in any given time period. Like you said, maybe a couple hundred games are affected, and only a hundred of those people might say something. And that's why nothing will ever be done. Yes. Cheers. The more you know. Yes. It's so true, though. It is. So that's the reality. So you guys ready for the home pin stuff?
    82:03
    Dumb pinball people, Damien offers to clear coat the acrylic if you want it done because it's more pure. Oh, God, Dr. John. They have offered to make play fields for anyone. See, there you go, Dr. John. Have they? Yeah, that's awesome. Will anyone take advantage of it? I don't think that. Have they? They've actually offered? Dr. John would know. He knows Damien. They're like besties. Well, no, but every time I hear him, Damien, in an interview, people have kind of asked him that, and he says he wants to keep making pinball. Well, I understand that he still wants to make pinball, but he has offered to do that. I got you. So, game number two has been in development. In development for a while, sure. That's cool. No, I'm excited. I hope it's a licensed theme. You know, I still want a Keltz Drew.
    82:53
    I still want a Keltz. Keltz would be fun. It would be cool to have a kelp. Let's focus on selling Laser War and we can maybe talk about it. Should I put it up? Sure. All right, I'll put up Laser War for sale. You heard it here first. $59.99. And what we'll do is we'll take the proceeds and make a poor man's pinball kelp. I'll tell you what. Right now, at this moment, if we sell it for $59.99, we'll buy a kelp right now. Ready, go.
    83:19
    Jesse J just bought it. Congratulations, Jesse J. Jesse J, I look great next to your shadow. Yep, it's perfect. Thank you. I'm glad you're rich. Yeah, $59.99. Thank you. So, HomePen. So, HomePen, as you guys know or don't know, is the wonderful proprietor of Thunderbirds. So, that game was a gigantic flop for a lot of reasons. They literally made that game in China. Pinball Doc wants to know, $59.99? Like, $59.99? Pinball Doc, you know what it's worth. You have all the prices, pinball jack. You filthy animal. What is going on with your website, Jack? Yeah, you said $2,100. I was just upgrading stuff. $59.99. Haven't you seen this stuff on Pinsight? I have new flippers. Stop yelling at the mic. I like yelling at the mic.
    84:15
    Okay, can I get through this home pin thing, please? Nobody gives a shit, but go ahead. I do. Okay. No, I thought this was cool. So, HomePen, the proprietors of Thunderbirds, they are working on, no, they have them, like, done. They're making new Transformers for Bally and early Stern solid state games, which is cool. Like, brand new Transformers, which are hard to come by. A lot of places, you can't find new Transformers, right? And Transformers don't usually go out, so you're like, okay, cool. That's not a big deal. However, they're also doing solenoid boards and stuff. So they're getting into that space, which I thought was pretty cool. So the bally and the early stern solid states, the meteors of the world,
    85:03
    I'm assuming like Flash Gordon's, you know, early ballys like that, the solenoid boards and stuff and the driver boards. So pretty cool. Nice. Yeah. They got to do something because Thunderbirds. They got a whole freaking warehouse full of Chinese people just looking at the guys So he like make a board Make some Transformers you You got to sell something Okay They grab an old one They like just copy this Make it please Reverse engineer this But no, I thought it's pretty cool. They look at it and they're like, 13 cents.
    85:37
    That'll be 12 and a half cents. 13 cents. We're good. But no, that's pretty cool because a lot of that stuff is hard to come by. No, sure. I feel like the new boards, you know, the guy from Rotten Dog, I think he's... Tony Scoots. Kelts would look good next to a Doc Culberfest. It would.
    85:56
    Thundercats pin would be awesome. I agree. Thundercats would be a good pin. Who do you think would make Thundercats? That would be a stern.
    86:09
    Out of everybody, I could see Spooky doing a Thundercats before anyone else. Really? It's just oddball. And they do oddball shit. Yeah, Rick and Morty was a little out there. They're all out there. You think they would do it before Stern, though?
    86:27
    It's not Marvel, and it's not a music band. Stern's not interested. That's not true. Come on. Name it.
    86:38
    I just put my foot in my mouth. I'm thinking, I'm like, oh, there's Deadpool. Elvira. Okay, well, they've done Elvira, too. Oh, that's a Williams game. That was a Kamikaze.
    86:48
    Well, not quite, but yeah. I was like, oh, Deadpool, Guardians of the Galaxy, Metallica. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Beatles. Oh, no. Batman, no, no.
    87:00
    Lord of the Rings, there you go. You have to go all the way back to 1999. No, 2000 and whatever. No, they'll get some better. Black Knight? That was Steve Ritchie's thing because he did Star Wars. That's a movie.
    87:16
    Star Wars isn't Marvel. Yeah, you're right. But Marvel does do Star Wars comics. They do. Oh, man. All right, anyway, let's go on. Move on. What else we got? That's it, man. Good job, Home Pin. Thanks, Home Pin. Should we do some dad jokes? Yeah, we should. Yeah. All right, here we go. Dad joke. All right.
    87:36
    Do you know you can act? No, I'm not doing that one because I can't pronounce that word. What? I started up a dating site for chickens, but it's not my main job. I'm just doing it to make hen's meat. Oh, my God.
    87:56
    This one's for Josh Mudd. I refuse to do drugs harder than cocaine. Got to draw the line somewhere. The guy who stole my diary has died. My thoughts are with his family.
    88:13
    Oh, my God. I'm trying to convince my dad to get a new hearing aid, but he just won't listen. I heard that by law you need to turn on your headlights when it's raining in Sweden. How the hell am I supposed to know when it's raining in Sweden?
    88:35
    I saw that one earlier, actually, and I was like, that's pretty good. But as I put my car in reverse, I thought to myself, this takes me back.
    88:47
    Someone just called my phone, sneezed, and then hung up. I'm getting sick and tired of all these cold calls.
    88:55
    Why do people have sex? For fuck's sakes. Let's get into the chat here. Let's see what's going on here. All right. So, Thundercats pin would be awesome, Tony. You're right. Oh, and did you see where he said that the next round of power supplies would have selector switch to choose the output and voltage? Well, that's fucking cool. No, it is. Like I said, I think, you know, any time that any company makes stuff to revive these old games and make it easier, I'm a fan. because as I've been very amateurly restoring these games. Very amateurly. Our rocks are great. Our rocks do work great. They're working. I got the rocket right here.
    89:44
    We're getting to the point of a lot of plug-and-play stuff, and I think it's really cool because you can mess with a board, and you can fix it, and sometimes it doesn't cost much, and sometimes it's a pain in the ass and whatever, and I've done both. But, yeah, just the more new stuff that you can get to make an old game work, I think is awesome. Tony Scoots, marvel the music pin coming soon. Probably. Thor sings the blues. They already have those rights. Might as well. Thern had Stranger Things, a show with assets, so it can still be done. Okay, Kaz. That's true, too. We didn't think about that one. Why didn't the bicycle stand up by itself? It was too tired. Pinball knock. Thanks, Doc. Dirty dad joke. We're good with that. What do you call a herd of cows masturbating? Beef stroking off.
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    I love it. I love it, guys. That's awesome. All right. So, mail call? Yeah, mail call. All right. Let's get into that.
    90:56
    Hey! He's Melco. So, last week, as I often do when I'm drinking, I give people random homework assignments. Yes. And the assignment... For no reason. Yep. The assignment I gave was, why do people still listen to us? We really wanted to know. And Pete Quint sent twice. He sent two different things. Thanks, Pete. Will they? Won't they? I love the suspense. This is Pete Quint right here, by the way. Yeah, he's a beautiful man. That's him. Thank you, Pete. Wearing his weird whatever he wears. And then, why I still listen, he sends again. It helps me fall asleep.
    91:37
    Yeah, well, you're always sleeping. Pete, are you in the chat right now? He's always sleeping. So, anyways, we appreciate you guys all listening.
    91:48
    Jesse J sent us an email last week. Did we not read that one? No, it wasn't really that. It was just cheers, and it showed her with a bottle of Jameson, so cheers. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes.
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    So, yeah. That was it. Not much mail. Mail call. Email us, poormanspinball at gmail.com. Oh, Mike Williams offered to send us a camera for the bar cam. The bar cam is something we talked about. We're into it. We'll take it. Yes. We need a bar cam. We'll set up the bar cam. Absolutely, we will. We need a little pizzazz. Yeah, something to just finish. This is cool. Let's get some different angles, you know, me and you at the bar. We should have a butt cam. Talking about our butts, our buttholes.
    92:39
    Yeah, this is my butthole. No, seriously, guys, thank you for tuning in. Oh, there was one thing Ian and I were talking about before the show and never got into said show. So, Mr. Zach, with his pinball show, him and Dennis were talking about arcade games, and he was talking a lot of shit about Tapper.
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    The arcade game Tapper. If you guys don't know what it is, you're a bartender, and you're throwing drinks down the bar. And Zach was just like, oh, this is just muscle memory, and when they're not looking, you can't give them a drink. He was just talking shit. What do you think about that, Ian? I liked your take on it, Drew Why don't you say what you thought about simple games Well, yes So my big thing is I understand that arcade Because his thing was It's muscle memory It's learning Well, pinball is muscle memory too Let's be honest But arcade games are a lot of repetitious memorization and stuff And Zach's like, I just don't get it Which I can understand But I think some of the most fun games are those games that are very simplistic, but they're easy to learn, hard to master. Think about a game like Pac-Man, right? Pac-Man is literally one of the easiest arcade games to teach somebody how to play it. The concept is ridiculous. Yes, you eat these pellets, and then we eat the big pellets, and then we eat the ghost, right? That's it. That's literally the whole game. But why is it so hard? Have you guys ever had a stand-up arcade in your house? I've had Pac-Man in there. I played the shit out of it because you're like, I've got to get to the next level. I've got to do this again, right? Very simple, but I just kept playing it. I kept hitting the start button. Same with Tapper. It's easy. You just feed everyone beer, and you've got to get them all drunk, basically. Yeah. You've got to serve the clients. and if you throw a glass off the table, you lose a glass, and you get four or five glasses, whatever it is. So realistic. Yeah, it's like real life. So anyways, my point is that a lot of those games, you know, unlike the beat-em-ups, like you can just keep putting quarters in, you can keep playing, you know, those aren't as fun. But these games, you want to see just like pinball. How high of a score can I get? Yeah, well, they talk about there's like the arcade era, right, It were, you know, insert a quarter to continue. It ruined everything, right? True. Very true. Because it used to be back in the day you had a quarter and you wanted to see how long you could play on one quarter. So a lot of that had to do with, yeah, you're right, Zach, muscle memory. But that doesn't take away from the fun of it because those games are challenging in their own right. Now, I get it. It's frustrating as shit. Sometimes. Because no one is, you know, as good as some of those guys who were in the 80s that played those games. What's the dude that always? Oh, Billy Mitchell. Billy Mitchell, thank you. But Billy Mitchell, like what he was able to do is fucking mind-blowing. And anyone that can put up a crazy score.
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    Another good documentary that I don't hear a lot of people talk about is Man vs. Snake. You guys got to watch that one. Definitely watch that. That was the best one because that one had a guy who played Nibbler, and Nibbler was the first game that had, what, a billion points? Oh, it was up there. To get a billion points, you literally had to play that game for like 24 hours. It was literally a whole day. It was a full day, and the guy did it in an arcade back in the 80s. And the best part was you get to a point where you had so many extra lives, that's how you took your break. Yeah, you went to take a piss. Yeah, you had, because you couldn't pause it, obviously. So you had 200 lives or whatever because you built them up over doing well for a long time. And then you're like, okay, I know I have 10 minutes so I can go take a piss, grab something to eat, come back. Because I've been doing this for literally all day. Yeah. And then you come back and you've lost like 20 lives or whatever. Yeah. And you just keep going. Yeah. Fucking great documentary. It centers on him now as a middle-aged man, and he hadn't played the game since he did the 24-hour record. And so it was his whole thing about getting back to doing Nibbler and trying to get there. And it was such a cool documentary. You guys got to watch it. Nibbler. Man vs. Snake is by far the best arcade documentary. So like I said, while I understand some of the next things, you could argue any pinball game, what do you have? You have eight or nine shots, right? Yeah. That's it. Yeah. You know, you don't. But you have control. You have better control. You do. And there's a randomness to pinball that you do not get in the arcade. I totally agree with those. And I understand that as well. That's why pinball is so amazing. But the point is, is that, you know, it's still only eight or nine shots. I get what you're saying, but I disagree with where you're going with it. Okay. Fair enough. Because I really think that pinball and ice-cold beer and anytime you have a random element to it, I think there's true skill in that. And he did bring up ice-cold beer. Ice-cold beer is fucking great. That is one of the best. I would love one down here. But they're expensive as shit. They used to be cheap, just like everything else. And now they're like three, four grand for a nice one. I would like a nice one. Yeah. Yeah, but they have one at one of our local haunts here, and Ian and I have actually played it a lot. It's a cool game. So, anyways, just some fodder. No big deal. Pac-Man has a pattern you could learn. I get it, Tony. But the whole thing is learning that pattern. Exactly, because, yes, the ghosts react in a certain way. They have their AI, and it's well documented. But here's my thing to you, Tony. can you get to the end of Pac-Man? The coin slotto. Most people can't. No, no. Burger Time is my jam. We love Burger Time. Burger Time is one of my favorites. Wiggler, Nibbler. Burger Time is one of my games that I want to get in my house because having the facsimile of it or on the hyperspin or whatever is just not the same. I want a real Burger Time. Love ICB. Fuck, yeah. King Kong is good, guys, but I am telling you guys you've got to watch Man vs. Thing. I've watched both, and yes, King of Kong is good. But King of Kong, you could tell there was definite bias and slant. They really tried to make Billy Mitchell out to be an evil dude. Yeah. And he's not. I'm sure he's not. But the Nibbler thing? I would love to have a drink with him more than anyone. You know what? That would be... Billy Mitchell is the guy I would love to get blitzed with Billy Mitchell. I would love to hear all the shit that he did in the 80s and all the tale he got because he played Pac-Man. Yeah. That never happens to any other nerd. He's still recovering from Coke from the 90s. God bless that man. Anyway, so, but no, I mean, I guess arcade games, and I was talking to Drew about this earlier before we started the show, it's like, yeah, you own an arcade machine, and it is repetitive as fuck. You do get tired of arcade machines, and you realize very, very quickly they're designed to steal your quarters. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I still believe that pinball is a true form of, I'm going to put my quarter in the machine, see how long I can go. Yeah, I will say that because I've had both in my house, obviously. Well, it's more like $2 now. Yeah. You get the point. I've never played as many games on an arcade as I have on a pinball machine. Right. That's just the way it is, sure. Unless it's kicker, burger time, or tapper. Because I had a Galaxian cocktail. You know, I put a lot of games on it, but not 1,500. I had a Glaxon stand up there. I played quite a bit. I played about 1,000 games on it. Yeah. But that was my very first restore. Sure. That was the game I had. Yeah.
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    It took a good couple years to get to 1,000. Yeah. See what I'm saying? No. Whereas my Monster Bash, I think I put up 1,000 the first time. But all that to say, I've had all these games, and I had a Pac-Man Galaga 20th reunion in my house for a while. I got a really good deal on it. And, you know, when I had friends over, that was the thing. Like I said, we would just try to see how far we could get in Pac-Man. Yep. You know, and it's like I said, super simple, but we just kept, okay, we're going to try to beat that, you know, that's just what it is. Yeah. There is a beauty to that point of it. Like it's good for playing with friends and stuff, but, yeah, it does have its limits when it's just you. So when it's you versus the machine, the machine can always change the game and fuck you over. Yeah, that's fair. But pinball, it's hard for it to fuck you over. Sure. You just got to suck. Yep. Which I all... Tim Lee, chime in. Drew sucks at pinball. Where is it?
    101:58
    No? No way? Let's get Billy on the show. Fuck, yeah. Billy Mitchell. Oh, that would be... That's my dream guest. And it has nothing to do with pinball. Nope. Hey, Billy, we're going to talk about Pac-Man all day. Fuck, that would be great. Don't be crying. Yeah. That guy makes hot sauce for a living now.
    102:18
    That guy is like the most American, like, do you remember that second chance story? This guy kind of sideswiped, or no, this guy kind of, I don't know.
    102:34
    It got forgotten. and it got lost in translation when, you know, obviously the Billy Mitchell drama lately where he, but nobody talks about the lost Nintendo game. It was like that Sky Glider game, the Sky Knights or something. Oh, Sky, what is it called? Yeah, Sky something. Yeah. Sky Rider, Sky. Sky something. You guys know what I'm talking about. So it was a Nintendo arcade game that was never released. They had it out in the wild, didn't do great, and Nintendo pulled it and didn't produce it. They made a few games. They had a few in production, but it wasn't like production production. Yeah. And the only known copy was at Nintendo headquarters.
    103:19
    And I think what happened was a lot of the PCB boards that they used for this Sky Glider game ended up being Popeye. so they went through this really really really rare instances going everyone was going to their popeye pcbs to see if they had the serial number that would link up to the sky glider game and a few people had one and what they did was they started to basically they did you get it there i'm trying to find it they were able to restore it but they needed permission from nintendo to go to Nintendo and scan all the artwork and get all that stuff, and they were having a hard time getting into Nintendo, and lo and behold, they talked to Billy Mitchell, and Billy Mitchell was like... Skyskipper. So Google Skyskipper. Super cool, interesting story behind that game. It's a great... There's a few things. I think John's Arcade did a really good job with Skyskipper. You were basically like You were in one of those World War I planes And you're dropping bombs on like Donkey Kong Yeah Probably a shit game But because it was so rare The cabinets were converted into Popeye machines For release following the year blah blah blah Yeah but they were able to Scan the artwork and actually reproduce the game But they would never have gotten that far If it wasn't for Billy Mitchell Because Billy Mitchell all he had to do was call Nintendo of America and be like, hey, I have some friends that want to scan some artwork. Can you let them in? And Nintendo was like, oh, yeah, Billy Mitchell.
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    Billy Mitchell. Fucking Billy Mitchell. God bless you, sir. So because of Billy Mitchell, we have Skyskipper. We have, like, one in existence. That guy, it's just weird because you listen to him talk and, like, Way to go, Billy. He's never too high or too low. He's just kind of like, I'm Billy Mitchell, and I just do what I want. He streams himself playing Donkey Kong on Twitch. Shut up. Lee, what is his... Share his information. Yes, Lee, we're watching that. What is his Twitch channel? I think next week we're just going to watch that. Lee, it's kind of sad.
    105:40
    Skyskipper. Yeah, Sony Skids. Yep, they reverse engineered it. Yeah. Like three or four times a week. Lee, I don't care. What's the channel? I want to know the channel. I don't care how sad it is. He wears his suit. Oh, that's the best. No, if you guys don't know, look up Billy Mitchell. Billy Mitchell always wears a tie. He's kind of skinny.
    106:05
    He has long hair and a beard, and he wears a tie everywhere he goes, like a black shirt and a tie. It's just his signature. Is Namco a Nintendo of America? No, Mike Williams. It is not. But he has a good relationship because a lot of the guys that did work on Pac-Man, through Namco also have those. They moved on to Nintendo, and that's kind of, there was a lot of relationships there. Plus, let's not forget, he was a big Donkey Kong player, and that's a Nintendo game, so he knew a lot of people through there, Donkey Kong games too. So what did you learn today, Ian? Well, I learned that I really want to try an effort to get Billy Mitchell on our podcast.
    106:55
    I learned that Billy Mitchell has a worse show on Twitch than we do. Are you sure? I bet he's got way more subscribers. I didn't say more. I'm sure he's got way more. No, that's not even up for debate. But I'm sure that our content is better than Billy Mitchell's.
    107:14
    He just has notoriety, man. to leave Ty and all his hair done. I swear. Oh my God. Come on, leave. We're going to be doing a lot of Googling. I had to do some actual work for once. Jesse J! We were missing you totally. Welcome back, Jesse. Here we are. His tie has always been American flag. It is.
    107:35
    Check out King of Kong. It's good. I'm going to put that in show notes. We're going to have him on. We're getting Billy Mitchell. I mean, And how badass would that be? I mean, that is... Oh, that would blow the world up. I don't know if that's true, but I would really love it. Oh, that'd be great. Like, hey, Billy, maybe he likes pinball.
    107:59
    How cool would that be to ask him about pinball? Yeah, that would be the end. We're just like, hey, Billy, you like pinball? He's like, yeah, I love pinball. He'll talk about some game from the 80s and be like, do you like Laser War? He's like, oh, I love Laser War. I got the highest score on Laser War. He's like, you know what the best pinball machine ever made was? Oktoberfest. I'm like, Billy Mitchell, you're so fucking cool. He's like, I know. I'm Billy fucking Mitchell. And then he sends us hot sauce, and this hot sauce is delicious. And then we go out, and we hang out at MJC, and we drink. And we fulfill all of Ian's fantasies. Do you know how I got my high score on Laser War? The glass was off. It was crazy. I don't know. Too soon? Too soon. It was emulated. I play a lot of anyone who plays emulated games knows it's still hard yes you can pause it alright so let's wrap it up with some dad jokes and we'll call it alright what do we got Drew you want to go with some dad jokes you got any more I ripped off a lot of them but I can always find more
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    Why did the scarecrow get a promotion? Why? He was outstanding in his field. Did you know you can't actually listen to the blood in your veins? You have to listen varicosely. Holy crap.
    109:30
    Like varicose veins? Do you get it? Yeah, I get it. I don't put up with people who are missing appendages. I'm lactose intolerant. Toes intolerance. Oh, my God. Pequin sent us one. What did the elephant say to the naked man? How do you breathe through that thing?
    109:52
    How many dad jokes have I missed this time? Quite a bit, Jesse Jam. I'm sorry. He goes to shows. He's done the Rocky Mountain show, I think. He was at the last MGC. See, I missed that.
    110:06
    He's a nice guy. I meet him a few times. Met him a few times. Well, so the other day I heard about this adult film star. He used to work in a prison.
    110:17
    Now she's an erections officer. We're calling it. That's good. The erections officer. We're calling it. Guys, thank you very much for listening to the 4-Man Spinball Podcast. It got crazy again. I don't even know if we talked pinball, but you know what? It was a lot of fun. Did you from the back of the room? We did. There we go. It's black night. Pinball. That's pinball, baby. Octoberfest is awesome. Yep. So, thank you very much.
    110:43
    I want to also thank our sponsors. Our sponsors, Flippin' Out Pinball, Pin Stadiums, Pinshades, PinballPrices.com. Four Man's BF. Jackson, we love you, brother. And Zen Studios, the Pinball FX guys, they do a great job with pinball.
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    But we're really – I love big bitties. We love our bitties. Other than that, I appreciate everybody. We love you guys. Thank you. Oh, did we say flip it out? Flip it out pinball, Zach and Nicole. We've said flip it out too many times. Zach, I'm going to need three new pros coming up soon, so we'll talk.
    111:59
    Get them from Zach. Flip it out pinball. More on that soon. Yeah, more on that soon. I got some big news coming up. All right, kids. We love you. And we're going to play our closing song. I'm going to miss you all, but goodbye.
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    Obviously, they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them. So thanks for listening, guys. Have a great day. Bye-bye.