SDTM Episode 37: The Walking Dead pinball review

Straight Down the Middle·video·43m 38s·analyzed·Oct 11, 2017

Analysis

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TL;DR

SDTM reviews Stern's Walking Dead pinball as masterpiece code with excellent shots but flawed art and Premium Edition ramp issues.

Summary

Zack Minney and Greg Bone from Straight Down the Middle review Stern's Walking Dead pinball machine, providing detailed playfield walkthroughs, discussing art quality concerns, praising the exceptional shot layout and code design by Lyman F. Sheats Jr., and debating the merits of Pro vs. Premium vs. Limited Edition variants. They rate the game highly for rules depth and wizard mode complexity while noting mechanical reliability issues with the Premium Edition bicycle ramp.

Key Claims

Walking Dead is the best coded game in pinball
medium confidence · Greg: 'I have played a lot of pinball and it is the best coded game in pinball I think so'
The Premium Edition bicycle ramp has chronic rejection issues even with flap fix
high confidence · Greg: 'the bicycle ramp sucks ass terrible... even if you get the flap fix it's still not that damn great... you still get a lot of rejections'
The Pro Edition has smoother ramp shots than Premium Edition
high confidence · Greg: 'the shots are so much smoother on this... on the Pro... they're literally it's a glass... they are so smooth it is like there is nothing wrong'
Approximately 25% of Walking Dead machines have SDTM coming out of the box issues
low confidence · Greg: 'at least 25% out of the box you... do something really... because I would say at least 25%'
Walking Dead has better code design than Ghostbusters due to varied mode structures
medium confidence · Greg: 'I like walking dead a lot more than like Ghostbusters... I like on The Walking Dead how last man standing... has nothing to do with modes'

Notable Quotes

“It is exceptionally coded... it's so challenging I mean it is it is a phenomenal game”
Greg Bone (SDTM host)@ 9:03 — Summarizes overall code quality assessment that both hosts emphasize throughout review
“the bicycle ramp sucks ass terrible... even if you get the flap fix it's still not that damn great”
Greg Bone@ 14:51 — Direct criticism of specific Premium Edition mechanical design flaw affecting playability
“I like walking dead a lot more than like Ghostbusters... I like how last man standing has nothing to do with modes”
Greg Bone@ 21:13 — Distinguishes Walking Dead's rule design philosophy as superior to other Stern titles
“the shots are so much smoother on this... they're literally like glass”
Greg Bone@ 15:38 — Praising Pro Edition shot routing and ball flow quality
“it's a masterpiece it is it's freakin mastered a-plus anybody says it's not an a-plus is just wrong”
Zack Minney@ 26:22 — Strong endorsement of overall game design and code quality

Entities

Zack MinneypersonGreg BonepersonStern PinballcompanyLyman F. Sheats Jr.person John Borgperson The Walking Deadgame GhostbustersgameGreg Nicoteroperson

Signals

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sentiment_shift: Strong positive reception of Walking Dead code design by SDTM hosts; positioned as among best-coded Stern games ever released
high · Greg: 'it is the best coded game in pinball I think so... it's a masterpiece it is'
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design_philosophy: Playfield art criticized as washed-out and cheap-looking; zombie figures at bottom considered low-resolution; backglass art choices questioned but defended as thematically appropriate
medium · Greg: 'the biggest issue I have with the art on this game is the playfield now... I hate the zombies at the bottom they look washed out'
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design_philosophy: Walking Dead uses hybrid rule design combining mode-based progression with non-mode wizard mode (Last Man Standing), distinguishing it from traditional mode-stacking games like Ghostbusters
high · Greg: 'I like walking dead a lot more than like Ghostbusters... last man standing has nothing to do with modes... it's just shooting killing'
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design_innovation: Well Walker bash toy, crossbow swinger, and magnet on Premium/LE models are not innovative but appreciated; bicycle girl ramp mechanically problematic
medium · Greg: 'crossbow... that's a man but none of its innovative... the crossbow on the Premium Edition... it's a man but none of it's innovative'
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product_strategy: Pro Edition features smoother ramp routing and ball flow compared to Premium Edition; Pro Edition has superior shot mechanics but lacks Premium Edition cosmetic features and bash toys
high · Greg: 'shots are so much smoother on this Pro... they're literally like glass... versus Premium where you get rejections'

Topics

Game code design and rules complexityprimaryPro vs. Premium vs. Limited Edition variant differencesprimaryMechanical reliability issues (bicycle ramp, magnet performance)primaryBackglass/playfield art aesthetic quality and theme executionprimaryShot layout design and playfield routingprimaryWizard mode (Last Man Standing) design and difficultysecondaryMultiball stacking mechanics and interactionssecondaryComparative analysis with other Stern/Williams pinball gamessecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Hosts are enthusiastic about code design and shot layout, rating the game A+ overall. However, significant mechanical concerns about Premium Edition ramp quality and reliability, plus art/aesthetic criticisms prevent perfect scoring. Sentiment is constructively critical rather than negative.

Transcript

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head by me in his eyeball pops out it's pretty horrible is it Daryl's fault no was it to the bin really yeah bucket who's your who's your favorite character on The Walking Dead not Lori wasn't she the worst yeah she was the only one I was like kind of miss Dale you would I like Dale Dale I think I'm a Michonne kind of guy yeah she's a badass yeah I like Laurel [ __ ] what you serious who's the badass well just wait he's gonna step it up I like Daryl so we're gonna really do the walking dead one of my favorite television was Leah Jessica Rabbit the vault every time I see him he's like he's like the male version of Jessica Rabbit just the hair for his faith no it was like just rabbits what are you just Brett I'm just saying like the hair in front I like I'm just like Bristish [ __ ] on your face missing eyes Rob what do you want to have like a man bun optometrist like nightmare watching that show I could have saved that boy's eyes I got a pop that out and right back in his head it's fake it's too many our problem get you 17 somebody on this show is fascinated just popping eyeballs out needs a 17 millimeter something from I need is orbital skeletal restructuring a little bit but tell you what that car oh it's got a great settle left I there let's go to the machine Greg and overview you just got one of these yes what do you think I love it I already got the Horde okay you still got some more of those big you serious some more some more oh yeah we'll terminus yeah Last Man Standing I've no idea how to get the terminus I don't know yet the last man standing but not terminus term is difficult I've never gotten to and that's not saying much let's go to the games and check it ok let's dive into this thing man here we are with the Walking Dead let's start over here to the left the most important part of the game let's get in here look at that that drop bank so you got dropped all three targets down to start any mode in the game once you start one mode then you've got to drop those targets twice to start your second mode you'll have your first-aid right here your weapons and your food all those are roving and whichever one it is on when you hit your very first drop target that is what will stay lit on there if you get all three of those lit then you start bloodbath which is a multiball and it's a really kick-ass multiball because the other multi balls in the game like well Walker multiball and your prison multiball you cannot stack those but you can stack bloodbath with either one of those multi balls so it's it's really nice up here you've got a mode barn which is your orbit out there you've got another one CDC which is that left ramp right there and it goes around behind the play field comes out and feeds the right flipper down here then over here in the middle you get a nice little tight shot that goes around into the pops which is riot back there it's another mode that you can start and then you've got your prison right here and with your prison you've got a hit prison then it will hit it a second time it will open the doors it'll grab the ball by the magnet I'll sling it around sometimes it'll go straight down the middle on you which is drive you freakin crazy and then you have to hit the zombie the Walker inside there it's a big Walker head bashed Oy or hit one of the lit some of the shots are lit to be able to spell prison then once you spell prison then you start your prison multiball come down here and you've got your well walker and on your wall Walker you bash his ass six times have you spelled well and you'll start your well Walker multiball again he's just a bash toy so up here really nice you get those star rollovers you get your regular rollovers up there in the Pops and then you have one of the tougher shots of the game which is your tunnel which is your right orbit and the reason it's tight because you got to hit it dead on to get it between those two pops and to complete that orbit coming down here another tight shot very satisfying is this arena shot which is the the right ramp again just like the left one that goes around behind the playfield comes around and feed your left flipper down here right next to that ramp you have this nice little Woodberry shot which is also where your extra ball is and it just feeds back down to your ear plunger and with your would bear shot when it's lit then you've got another skill shot up here which consists of either rolling over the star rollovers or the other two rollovers over there to complete that that skill shot and your normal skill shot is just off you're your start of your ball is on those those two up there also so a couple of differences this one right here is a pro so a couple of differences that you have with your premium alleys is one of the first things is down here in the lock bar normally there is a little a push button just like on Star Trek and it's your Walker bombs and that will advance you towards once Walker killed towards your multi balls in there another thing over here is your bicycle girl this ramp on the premium elytis actually lifts up and underneath there is another bash toy which is your bicycle girl and when bison grills lit you'll bash her and then the ramp will close back down when that mode is done but I'm not a big fan of that just because that ramps a little jittery and a lot of times you'll get a rejection on those premium le s and you can get a flap that that will extend and helps it but I still find that you get a lot of rejections on that and then you come down here to the well Walker and on the premium Ellie's there's actually a magnet just like the one up on Prison in front of your your well Walker and then one last thing is there Oh someone like I actually have one thing I'm just but there is a stand up target that actually blocks your Woodberry shot that you have to knock down and then one of the most it's not an important feature but it's still cool just because it's lacking but there's a crossbow that that swings out here just like on t2 like the t2 cannon and you can fire when you you hit the crossbow shot and launch that crossbow up there but that's a man that's your basic overview of what the Walking Dead looks like and all your shots it is it is exceptionally coded like you would think that hitting those those drop targets would be repetitive and to start a mode but it's not at all because you can just go for so many things in this game and it's so challenging I mean it is it is a phenomenal game so let's get back and hear what Zach and I have to say and let's discuss this beautiful machine all right great we're back thanks for the tutorial there buddy you know they did a good nation every city good playing with the pros yeah so no it was good mean I'm just let's start with you know what the sad thing is there is a little behind the scenes action we have not yet filmed that but I know this couldn't be bad people overview of that machine all right um we have to cut here all right I'm so mean to you man it happens you're mean to me but what it's when the cameras I don't want to all right let's start with art speaking of a joke what started this game what do you think about art on Sterns the walking dead we gonna move on shots and layouts you like that I like that I do not like a mix on the Walker same with me I'm nothing mixed on that it's kind of cheap and cheesy looking I just think more could have been done to that not yeah I agree now would you have wanted the characters up there now on the bag list no I don't think so but I don't need a bag less if I go home yeah yeah I don't want that I don't want like the game of Thrones no no but I'd like a badass action sequence of like regret I do like some of the still shots that their promos for the show yeah a car like point-like that's cool yeah you could've done something like that but I just don't I don't but just they're not the choices of zombies that I would have picked no and maybe that's what it is you know that that feature right I don't know if that's Greg Nicotero I'm not sure who yeah but I'm just not crazy about that zombie no I never told I look at look at this like everything Oh everything over here to the left is semi okay to me the [ __ ] is a little she looks like she's just like crackhead on the street so what about think about the premium the heads and the the governor's the governor's fish tank yeah I mean it's it's this is a little better it's a little better it is but then when you got a topper yeah why are you doing it's overkill and then you've got the the little fish tank so I don't like that what about the Ellie Ellie is it's essentially you got the same thing but it smeared mayor paradise now that looks Emir dad a little bit but it's so small amount of hair it's not like Magneto it's not it doesn't stand out enough to even really pay attention yeah the biggest issue I have with the art on this game is the play field now yeah that's my biggest problem dude I hate the zombies at the bottom they look washed out yeah but if something works with it though like oddly enough like it's very cheap and cartoony on that play field it's something with lighting and everything I'll say that it actually kind of works for me like I don't know what else I would want to give me more blood or gonna take more blood but I'm saying though more gun show it encompasses the feel of being in that world under glass you more than if because it's kind of the terminus map you've got the barn on fire yes with some high res pictures though it's almost like you would see little figures in there walking around the land almost in itself and I kind of I actually kind of like them I kind of think that it works because I wouldn't want their face again I wouldn't want to like spider-man or anything I wouldn't want it all that I see I mean it's very cheesy looking but it's something that's essentially a horde coming at the flippers yeah I just want it to be a little more high-res I want it to pop a little bit more see does the middle the playful do is nothing no but at the same time then I think that this is it's so crazy on art scene I'm gonna be - you're even worse yeah you're C+ yeah well but I don't like it fun but but I think it works for the game oddly enough because I think that you have more focus on the well Walker which isn't necessarily a good thing it's kind of ugly but you've got more focus on the barn okay it's not a distracting play field I don't know something something in my head it feels good and it works okay it works Lacey plus though it's just the art I'm not saying that yeah that doesn't necessarily reflect how much it worth it work got a look at the are that works yet it works it doesn't when I walk up to it I always think yeah it's fine but when you play it let's move on to shots and layouts we're yet I shot some layouts oh my god freakin a kanay yeah Oh a big board guy for July it just shoots very well like it just the ramps are freaking fantastic other than out great are the other than the premium now listen you till number listen so bicycle ramp sucks ass terrible it just sucks and even if you get the flap fix it's still not that damn great because you can get a like a flap extended I know that keeps it from bouncing but it still elected by yourself a flexed but so the ramp of the premium le does so yes but we did in everybody's I mean the pro the pro sucks the Pro sucks this is gonna probe yeah but it and I like the look of a premium a lot better there's only just the playfield like everything just looks the lighting package everything's a little better I like the well Walker bang and stuff but the shots are so much smoother on this well on the pro in the language or just smooth they're literally it's a glass like some of those Rams like you think oh my boy I'm gonna make it and then all the sudden its they are is so smooth it is like there is nothing wrong it gets sewn I love the the right ramp it starts damn near by flipper yeah when you hit it I mean it's on it's on a mission yeah it's traveling up it goes is when ramps go Oliver and that's backward I love that big long ramps and put their vast ramp so it doesn't put a lull in the game like like lost world I love lost world but the ramps are a little slow and their little winding and it's kind of waiting for the ball yes you don't feel like you're waiting for the ball as long as all those ramps are you don't feel like though when you hit one of those ramps kind of half-ass and it trickles around that backboard and like it's going slow back and you don't know it's long like days and coming back out there is it gonna come out I love that I love it so shots layout we've got I wouldn't call it a basic I guess it's a basic fan layout you've got left orbit left ramp the riot shots really fun that's like that tight core shot on trial what do that riot no that's on the left but yeah the writers we're gonna have to write that can hit a little cranky and hard but I'd like to do it it's all right thanks going shanked it off of the wall Kerr yes to get it up it's a very satisfying shot then you've got the bash the Ashbourne yes which opens up he's got a head yesterday's man pass and then you've got the bash well Walker everything every shot in this you want to hit I feel I like that tunnel said I'll tell you through the pops tunnels it's hard when you hit it and when you hit it like it is fast and it is so it's smooth to smooth as butter it's just getting it through there then you got your pops and you've got your even the Woodberry very clever oh I love wood man nice little clever into the left flipper into the shin a difficult shot they can't be with you little extra bone I find it a little more difficult on the premiums no because I'm good yeah it's a little more difficult not easy on the premium the crossbow not needed no no my Walker bombs the only thing honestly honestly kribo Missoula I like my Walker magnet I don't know why I just like it I do too and Walker bomb yep I'm not paying the difference that's it I don't even care about the lighting that much no no because yours is look good I'm gonna tweak some lighting on this so I met shots and lay out you're at an egg I'm gonna name - I want to give this an a but I can't because the plunge into the skill shot is smooth I'm fine with it but a lot of you guys right now are screaming because you're like the stupid straight down the middle shots right from the pops there are a lot of machines Craig that there it's just it's a brutal game already the outlanes are wide open but when you have that come out of the pops and it's a design thing I do think it's a design thing it's a little bit too brutal because I don't want to be but kicking ass and then get a cheap giraffe I don't think it's that brick it is a little bit of a design fall but it's not because it's just the ball if the ball does not roll right if something throws it off a little bit it doesn't it's not allowed to hit that post yeah the post is obviously kicks it that's for that flipper so if it misses that post yeah that's when you're it's just it's gotta be queen I don't you think it needs to be tweaked [ __ ] I've seen I've seen so many of them where you have to do something both I've played really oh my god yeah because I would say at least 25% out of the box you got to do something really because I played yours I played the Le tweak Zanzibar no problem they're both a bowl but mine has no problem you know what spat a problem with it yeah problems playing dude yeah some people say the the magnet the magnet shuttle and the middle yes that one does randomly maybe that's a coating in the Le does a lot of the top room and that's the one that pisses me off no that's just all games [ __ ] all right you want to talk about to be the best part of this game you know what that is no your mom my mom is great Linda is a saint bring the rules yes we're both losses easily is this the best coded game and pinball Greg and played a lot of 10 ball so I've played a lot of pinball and it is the best coded game in pinball I think so I don't know that's what was hard when we were doing this or that was that last month we're talking about Keith P. Johnson to Lymon Lyman's got the masterpiece here and this is there's so much to do and there's so many different ways to get through that map to get there well yeah I agree the drop target sometimes I'm like okay damage drop targets because you feel like you're shooting those a lot jumping things up but that's okay it leaves a lot yeah like what else we'll do you want to what else shoot open it up go on it's like do you want hit a ramp shot do you want to hit like like I actually kind of like hitting the gun over said oh I miss hitting that snake 40 times I actually kind of don't like it's a girl oh you yeah I'm looking for it in that snake again I'm kind of uh like I don't know man I just think of ghostbusters was like that where that cinder ball you had to hit that 20 times to get through them wizard oh well like I have to be honest like I like walking dead a lot more than like Ghostbusters like starting with Slimer okay and all that I mean all it's nice but I mean all I like well start modes if your start the mode is the same mm-hmm and you've got quite a few modes it's all gonna get kind of like repetitive fair enough I like on The Walking Dead how last main staining which is the ultimate wizard mode has nothing to do with modes nothing oh yeah it's just shooting killing it's pretty mean that's cool how many you gotta get 115 the highest I've got is like 60 something ahh I checked yours you're like 30 or something yeah well I just got it though I'll get there oh are you gonna get there you guys heard it here first last man standing here he goes Christie I have to get to play it just because I was focused on horde I'm gonna give him two months and you just because I won't be a 75 in - I got the Horde twice in one day no I got a Friday yeah but you gets what I get you have to put the glass on okay playing there with but okay I will give a disclaimer on this new I gotta I gotta be honest and upfront about this please do so I was streaming it first more cuz I picked it up Thursday evening and I was playing it I wouldn't put like two games on it and I brought it third Friday mornings my string Tom on Twitch so I was streaming it and I got the Horde real close as a holy [ __ ] look at this you were blown the Bing got the Horde blew it up got the Horde was a static yeah didn't really know what the hell was going on we got there and I was like and the so Zack watches the video exact site here I kill him brother you really blew that up it was awesome you know what though you made it look a little too easy I check your settings yes sir so hit back into my settings and somebody's [ __ ] with the same ha ha ha and some [ __ ] was down like like instead of 5 hits or instead of your 10 inches making it was at 5 hits and some things was at 1 instead of 3 it's raining wheels on it yes so I was disappointed felt like a [ __ ] idiot and so but you guys have to check out his Twitter video when he hits boards great I cranked everything he loses it the factory default okay and that's a horde again last night for real nice job so it was fantastic that's so good didn't it it's really good chords one of the best wizard modes in pinball I like it I don't die down sure that the Teutons but I've yet to really do anything really simple I think I just have really good the enthusiasm kind of made me lose siege is another one I haven't gotten through c-terminus there's Last Man Standing there's horde there's so much stuff that you can just uncover in the home and focus on that's why I think this is one of the best home games there is you know but I'm gonna play this one location in mind oddly enough you know we've talked about how that you know when you get to a wizard mode yeah you just like I'm done with this game now something loses his appeal those Buster's was was very much like that said okay that was bad but well not just cuz it's a bad wizard mode but like even powered down I love power down on Johnny demonic but after I got there a couple times I still didn't yeah but this we're both at A+ is anything else on the rules so there's different it's not a mode mode based game but it kinda is I like how some of the modes it's not just hit tunnel and a hundred times to complete the mode and you have to complete the mode to get your weapons because and then that's what's so awesome about the rule set here because it's not you guys have heard it before and you'll hear it again for me all the time I love a pinball machine where it's not just get through the modes here's your wizard as a reward I like the machines that you get through the modes you have to defeat some but then you have to reach here and here and here yeah also get to that wizard mode it's great so bicycle gorilla give you a weapon you need what six six weapons to get to horde so you can get them through combos you can get them through bicycle grow you can get them through completion of modes you can get them through bloodbath another different dropped or you can get them through determined I think you have to hit so many successful skill shots or the the it's not just what they're actors and so when you're when you're getting a multiball go and you can stack the multi balls my only complaint is well and and this this is the other night real quick the other night when you were playing you blew it up you stacked CDC you stacked bloodbath and I don't know if you knew this and you stacked prison multiball and right when you did that I was like dude's gonna blow this up yeah that's when you get to horde Yoda let's see I think this but see I don't know enough about the game yet to to know what I'm doing like all the little weapon or to know where and I'm like I know the hell I just so that's kind of my only complaint but maybe I'll see more and understand how and some of them I know what I it's a masterpiece it is it's freakin mastered a a-plus anybody says it's not an a-plus is just wrong no toys an innovation what I get be it's like a regular dialed in here isn't it yeah going on I gave it a B+ there's a couple batch toys premium to get an extra batch toy got the crossbow on the premium yeah he's got a man but none of its innovative of ours maybe you know sense but I like the barn but it doesn't look really like a barn can we say where's me prison that's why it looks like a barn we it's supposed to be a princess barns in there not always think about barn that's the biggest problem right there yeah it looks like a barn and not a prison I think they could have done a better job we kind of say it via the prison and in if you're talking about sometimes it bugs me when games are so out of proportion hmm you've got a prison but then it opens up a 20-foot head like what that doesn't make this one don't bother me this doesn't bother me but games do bother me like this one doesn't you know that would be that would be a complaint there's not a whole lot there's magnets it's very basic I mean it's basic running your mill games this that's why I couldn't give it higher like I love everything I love it at all but it nothing's innovative and I think that's the biggest complaint when this game came out Greg it was bashed it was bashed really oh because the code sucked yeah I can't believe Stern actually came out with a code that sucked it's weird two more weeks for that Star Wars first uh for the Batman 66 code I think yeah I'm messing with George again like Batman two more weeks has a problem all right I'm just messing around George so so he's an innovations B plus B the rules save this game it's Lyman's masterpiece it saved this game he got bashed when it came out nobody's like you know what I would say the theme saved it but I don't think theme saved it because like I've got emails who are big Walking Dead fans and I've taken them over to Z bar yeah and they'll flock to it yeah then immediately it's such a tough game they're kind of like yeah I'm like what you think about that that Walking Dead made you really enjoy that because you would expect them like they're huge fans of the show oh because they don't have any call-outs from the we'll get to that well yeah music and call-outs yeah I'm gonna see okay and the reason I gave it a b-minus someone a little higher is because I was telling zach I was like their shitty because I'd like to add the from the Moot from the show they're a hick that sounds like us but the hillbilly it's something that kind of grabs you a little bit it most that cuz I got the different roms well he sounds like your family yeah but yeah you know like it's something that gets you a little pumped I'm just yelling out isn't this crazy it is because I got the new roms with all the stuff all the call-outs from the show and stuff on there and I kind of liked it but a lot of them don't get you as amped up is what the hillbilly does the hillbillies [ __ ] it's [ __ ] it's complete [ __ ] it sounds like [ __ ] whenever they released it I thought how do they releasing this [ __ ] I think it's we doubt they would have never been released but there's nothing that fits okay because it's an Atlanta or set in Georgia you're gonna pick the most ridiculous sounding died like at least Game of Thrones they give you something early like it's this noble thing okay do your walk multiple yeah I gave a see you gave it a b-minus the audio package done by Cleveland and Milhouse is a must once you put that in you don't have to worry about the music or call it thank you let's go to the theme music a plus for me or no you're in a I just wanna I'm not redoing the scores damn it how many an A+ you know why cuz its favorite show of all time and it's not its top five show for me of all time let's River show my little pony it's pretty strong consider I like to carry bears as a kid I like a kid doing that weird that's good I'm at a Care Bear sit and spin next time you guys see Greg a person asking about its favorite activities the sitting spoon no my favorite show for I don't know if you guys out here like that Kirby enthusiasm the greatest show of all time believe me oh yeah it's better than one of the greatest shows ever yeah but it's better inside though Game of Thrones yeah The Walking Dead Walking Dead I like with something it's always been a little bit of a missed to me on so The Walking Dead yeah I love it I love what I'm just saying it's not my my table top show so it's a plus for me I would love you know what I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to being in this hobby ten more years and then rithi me or vaulting this that's what I'm looking mostly I don't want the vault that I don't think the vault it in ten years yeah this cuz I've sold them for so long there's gonna be so many I'm out there I don't know I don't think it should because I want that word to change like Noah's Ark to change alright so Greg we're doing something different usually that's our only rating system yeah but you and I've been talking about our ratings and we're happy with a fall but there's a fall there is a flow we're missing something you guys and I don't know if you guys have been picking up on it as well so we have art we've discussed it before shuttle layout rule toys and innovation music call-outs theme what are we missing we're missing the fun factor here we're missing but we're gonna start calling enjoyable because if you if you really like this game obviously you look at our ratings and it's happened on a few games it's like things like art or call-outs can really can really knock the rating down so what you've got is a seed game could actually be one of the exactly so that was the reason we're losing that experience yeah we wanted separate can boost the the rating even things out a little bit because there's gonna be something I'm gonna give you a little preview here something like The Wizard of Oz when we raid it my readings are probably gonna be high in a lot of those categories but when it comes to enjoy ability you don't like it it's not that like it it's just it's not a high caliber enjoyability game for me and we were discussing on on what to name it and everything because what do you something like ghostbusters I like those busters a lot but I don't enjoy blaming just some pissed off half the time I'm angry I'm pissed off at this but it is enjoyable I love this game this game I was trying to tell Zach I said for whatever reason from the day one that I stepped up this game maybe the first handful of games they like a lot of games was difficult for me but the way that I play or something my style fits this game ok and I'm I'm better Walking Dead than I am most you're pretty good easy games yeah and especially halftime here you know what he's do now but it's never been super brutal to me so I'm come on a different a thought process but what and it's not just a fun factor because we were gonna do fun factor but it's not that because there are certain games that I want to play to achieve things and that's what's enjoyable it's not this game to me is not the most fun oh I enjoyed the [ __ ] come on you enjoy it but is it fun yeah I don't know I'm saying about it I'm battling it the whole time I'm fighting it I'm like oh man I'm not Ghostbusters I felt that way so we're gonna call enjoy building we're gonna go back to all our other videos Greg and I are going to you don't like that days no I'll be the one doing it don't worry about it so but I have to have an objective rating system that's a very scientific of me I really like to be able to compare scores and different things are you yawning when I'm talking yeah but I'm gonna a +4 enjoyability yeah so we're gonna go back we're gonna rewrite we're just gonna add enjoyability in all of them andreat Ali the totals so you guys will probably see the composites up here in a minute and those are gonna have enjoyability that's honestly I think that out of all of it that's the most important it is to keep this game does this game keep your interest after you've played a couple week and that's gonna be very subjective I think that you can say all of these are did they are but I think that it's the most subjective that's why I'm the team and this being the most objective because you know alright so when we're looking in our composites yes we put them all together so we're at the same we're both of the pluses yeah and we're both full someone 339 and this is this is a top 5 game of all-time in me I love it I don't think I'll ever get rid of it there's no reason to know now I end up getting rid of it just because I don't have a large collection I want to play something different yeah and I think I get this is so weird I think when I get rid of my Walking Dead's it's because I know I'm gonna own one again because that's how much I like it so I'm like you know what man core will need a break for a while give me a six month break and we'll date a little bit more I need another break if I didn't have to lug stuff in out of the basement I would probably be a little more apt to switch things out here and there but yeah pros and cons of this game call lol sand art or a big comb this game isn't pretty the same game doesn't sound good it's just the way it is this game is not light show it's just red and white lights it's it's not a spectacle but I enjoy it so much that I overlook a lot of that that's what I'm saying it's that's the pro yeah the playability the code is the best in pinball and some of your aesthetics my girl audio video that that's solo yeah that's right a mess b-plus let's use market still 45 get the used one use pro for 45 a used pre men for 62 not really a 62 pro or con you think about the LA art I prefer the premium Natalie's ugly to me I don't like it that the the don't enter and all the copper stuff um I kind of like it it fits the game fairly well alright so we'll throw up our composites as well as are all of our game reviews that was a pretty good review yeah I like it yeah I love the great game it's easy to if you guys haven't played The Walking Dead you know what you almost need to own it I think to appreciate this game you have to own this right yes what Chelsea said last night Chelsea had some good games and I was very hesitant to get this game yeah and just because I knew well the kids loved it it's pretty brutal the dots yeah the crowbar smashing a zombie on the head Oh shooting him I'm just saying for the viewers oh yeah yeah like brutal when I first pulled up with it in the truck my youngest come outside and she threw her hands over it's just oh my god you've got the walking dead I wanted the walking dead hi music kids would be ecstatic about you're like the Edward Scissorhands family everybody's quirky and weird they are there is New York stuff but I've always introduced them to it like no surprise to Brady yeah hey mess them up yet but but yeah back to the story okay just to come down she was playing that had some of your game stuff in uh she was like I think the only reason that I didn't play it it Zanzibar something was just because it's kind of tough yeah I hated feeding dollars into it same way I am with Wizard of Oz so she was like I just couldn't give it a chance yeah she goes but playing here she actually enjoyed it had had a good time she's not like a super pinball pinball person not at all Jim randomly double flippers teach her to slap and she is a banging both over like cymbals I was like you're not gonna squeeze the ball super high to still alright so here's another fun fact for The Walking Dead for myself this is the watching and grants total [ __ ] and Bram Stoker's Dracula are the only two DMD games that I'm okay with red dots yeah I don't need color DMD on this no I want colored AMD on everything I can but I talked about that cuz you were like color TVs pretty nice on her I guess it was you what main because I've always said no game ready but yeah I was like I don't like all the colors because everything on the machine I've bitched about you bet your LEDs sometimes you'll throw in too many blues or something everything has like everything on the machine is like red and like a sunlight white or something - it was like are black you can't you can't bury too much color because it looks I don't want my zombies wearing purple and nose yeah yeah yeah I wonder percent agree red yeah that's why I kind of get up I agree alright great what do we need to tell these fine fine people before they leave that we love we need them to check out our twitch stream yeah every Friday morning for you call fit with great Chuck work every Wednesday they rules man you're usually what time usually stream it a dish hey you're eight in the morning Chuck word is eight on Wednesday and the evening means I'll jump here and there and everywhere with newer games that I can pull in they need to go to our Facebook page too yeah we were giving away [ __ ] on Facebook on Twitch - what is this so we need to follow us on Facebook Follow us on the rate 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