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Kaneda's Pinball Podcast Saturday Morning Spectacular Dec 13

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·1h 39m·held·Dec 14, 2025
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TL;DR

Kaneda critiques Stern's strategy, quality, and pricing while speculating on Transformers execution.

Summary

Kaneda discusses Stern Pinball perceived strategic failures, criticizing recent cabinet design choices, pricing increases without quality improvements, and lack of compelling Limited Edition differentiation. He contrasts Stern's approach unfavorably with competitors like Spooky, Jersey Jack, and Barrels of Fun, then pivots to speculation about upcoming Transformers and Pokémon games, expressing strong opinions on what would make Transformers successful (Matrix of Leadership topper, 'You Got the Touch' song). He shares excitement about his Beetlejuice pre-order and attends a Machine Gun Kelly concert.

Key Claims

  • The Walking Dead (LE) is already selling for $11,500 on Pinside despite not even shipping yet, indicating no demand for the 500 units made

    high confidence · Kaneda directly citing Pinside secondary market pricing

  • Stern stopped using Church Hill for cabinet manufacturing and quality has deteriorated since they brought cabinetry in-house

    medium confidence · Kaneda asserting this based on observation of product quality over time

  • Jack told Steve Ritchie at Jersey Jack to 'put everything he possibly wants' into Sonic the Hedgehog, contrasting with Stern's cost-cutting approach

    medium confidence · Kaneda reporting hearsay about Jersey Jack's design philosophy

  • Ghostbuster playfield inserts were lifting and Stern had to send repopulated playfields to customers

    medium confidence · Kaneda referencing historical quality issues from earlier Stern games

  • George Gomez justified flat plastics in Stern games by saying there were only 8 designers and 20 manufacturing staff when he arrived

    high confidence · Kaneda directly quoting from George Gomez interview with Cary Hardy

  • Jaws 50th is 'the only Stern' Kaneda would buy this year and considers it an iconic franchise with good theme integration

    high confidence · Kaneda's direct personal opinion stated explicitly

  • Kaneda's Beetlejuice pre-order number is 999 and he wants it to be the last game made on the production line

    high confidence · Kaneda stating his order number during Spooky discussion segment

Notable Quotes

  • “I don't understand why they can't get their shit together.”

    Kaneda@ 2:31 — Opening critique of Stern's business strategy and execution

  • “I don't like the fact that you are now giving people who bought the premium the ability to have the same lit up side armor as the LE owners... you just don't see the value in the $3500 increase.”

    Kaneda@ 6:08 — Core complaint about Stern's Limited Edition pricing strategy not justifying premium cost

  • “How is this $13,000? How is this $10,000 for a premium? ...You look at the craftsmanship of a spooky butter cabinet and put it next to this.”

    Kaneda@ 15:23 — Comparative quality criticism of Stern vs competitors like Spooky

  • “If they don't have the matrix of leadership as the topper, this company is dead to me... If they don't do that, then they don't know this property.”

    Kaneda@ 22:28 — Strong opinion on what Transformers pinball machine must include to be successful

  • “Don't hire me as the CMO Stern. Don't even make an offer. I would have taken a pay cut.”

    Kaneda@ 25:40 — Kaneda expressing he would have worked at Stern for free to design Transformers properly

  • “I'm embarrassed for them that that is the mech. I'm also like I'm embarrassed that they made the Orca look like anything but a ship.”

    Kaneda@ 16:32 — Critique of Jaws 50th's mechanical design choices despite liking the overall game

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyGeorge GomezpersonSpooky PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanyBarrels of FuncompanySteve RitchiepersonGodzillagame

Signals

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Kaneda expresses deteriorating confidence in Stern Pinball's strategy, quality execution, and product value proposition. He questions whether defenders of Stern exist and suggests community sentiment has shifted against the manufacturer.

    high · Multiple statements: 'I don't understand why they can't get their shit together,' 'this company's at a moment of inflection,' nobody can defend Stern's strategy anymore

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern's recent LE strategies have failed to create perceived value. Walking Dead LE (500 units, $13K+) is already trading at $11,500 on Pinside with zero demand, indicating market rejection of LE premium pricing model.

    high · Kaneda cites Pinside pricing data: LE selling for $11.5K immediately, hasn't even shipped. Price will drop $3K+ in coming weeks when new Stern releases.

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern's cabinet quality, playfield quality, and component choices (flat plastics, Raspberry Pi, brackets for assembly) represent cost-cutting without corresponding price reduction, creating poor value perception.

    high · Kaneda: 'Church Hill stuff was way better,' Ghostbuster inserts lifting, flat plastics unjustifiable, Raspberry Pi is 'embarrassing,' cabinet corners look worse

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Spooky, Jersey Jack, and Barrels of Fun gaining favorability against Stern due to perceived superior craftsmanship, strategic design freedom, and better value per dollar spent.

    high · Kaneda repeatedly contrasts Spooky, Jersey Jack, and Barrels of Fun cabinets/games favorably to Stern. Jersey Jack gave Steve Ritchie full creative freedom for Sonic.

  • ?

Transcript

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0:01
[Music] Nothing's left behind. Nothing left behind, people. We can't take it with us. Happy Saturday morning, everybody. Let's do this. [Music]
0:28
Can't take it with me. Ah. How's everybody doing? We are here. It is Saturday morning. I'm your host Caneda and we are we are talking pinball. Ah, I I feel really really good right now. Um feel very lucky, very blessed, very happy to be uh have a healthy and happy family, have a beautiful home that is 2/3 paid for in one year. Not bad, right? Stupid prices for everything in the world. Um, but you know, it's going to be a good time. I don't know why nobody's uh nobody's joined. Do you guys see the link on YouTube? There we go. We'll uh we'll let some people get through the door first before I before I go on my pleasantries.
1:25
Ah, nothing like a a fresh glass of water in the morning. Let's do this. Let's clean this camera a little bit. Hold on. I'm going to end up always end up dropping everything. There we go. It's even better. Camera is nicer on this Apple device. How's everybody doing? Good morning, Johnny Pinball in the house. Good morning, everybody. Yeah, I'm just feeling uh I'm feeling the holiday spirit. Looking out this window, I'm seeing uh all of our inflatables. Got a leprechaun in the tree. Why not? Why not? What's up, Robert? What's up, cause? How we doing? Where's Sad Boy? Brian in the house. This is good. Is the camera not on? Is the camera off for you guys? Do you guys not see the camera?
2:26

  • “when I walk up to King Kong, I feel like Killian and Cassian just went crazy with the crayons, and I just don't like that.”

    Kaneda@ 19:31 — Aesthetic criticism of King Kong's playfield artwork vs Jaws' simplicity

  • “Stern's been cutting corners, cutting corners, cutting corners. And so the problem is as they've cut corners, they've raised prices.”

    Kaneda@ 12:33 — Summary of Stern's perceived business strategy failures

  • “I want to fly to Benton. I want to have everybody sign it... Showtime, BABY. Canad's going to Benton.”

    Kaneda@ 37:10 — Expression of enthusiasm for Beetlejuice and desire to make final unit special

  • “You act like we're investors in your company that we would be happy that you found a way to make this cheaper. The only people happy are the investors lining their wallets with our money.”

    Kaneda@ 29:43 — Critique of George Gomez's framing of cost-saving as consumer benefit

    • JAWS (Pro)
    game
    King Konggame
    Beetlejuicegame
    The Walking Dead (LE)game
    Pinsideorganization
    Cary Hardyperson
    Church Hillcompany
    Guns N' Rosesgame
    Batmangame
    Uncanny X-Mengame
    John Wickgame
    Winchester Mystery Housegame
    Kanedaperson

    business_signal: Stern has raised prices while cutting corners, creating a value perception crisis similar to Jeep/Dodge. Reduced production (500 units of Walking Dead LE) hasn't created scarcity demand; games still unsold.

    high · Kaneda: Stern raised prices AND cut corners (opposite of value creation). 500 Walking Dead LEs not moving despite scarcity. Compares to Jeep pricing spiral.

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Strong community anticipation for Transformers pinball. Kaneda expresses high expectations and specific requirements (Matrix of Leadership topper, 'You Got the Touch' song, Peter Cullen voiceover) to consider it successful.

    medium · Kaneda: 'way more excited for Transformers than Pokemon,' extensive speculation on what would make Transformers great, jokes about rejecting CMO offer at Stern if they don't execute properly

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Kaneda advocates for playfield simplicity and negative space (praising Jaws, Batman) over visual saturation (criticizing King Kong). Relates to broader design philosophy contrast between manufacturers.

    high · Kaneda: King Kong 'like Killian and Cassian went crazy with crayons,' Jaws/Batman work because they're simple, pull you into theme. 'There's a beauty in simplicity.'

  • ?

    product_launch: Beetlejuice shipping imminent (within weeks); Winchester Mystery House expected January release. Kaneda has pre-order #999 for Beetlejuice and wants it as final unit produced.

    high · Kaneda: 'Beetlejuices are going to be on the line in just a few weeks,' 'Winchester should be on the line too in January,' has Spooky pre-order #999

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jersey Jack leadership reportedly gives designers (Steve Ritchie) unrestricted creative freedom to include all desired features, contrasting with Stern's cost-driven design constraints.

    medium · Kaneda: 'Jack told Steve Ritchie to put everything he possibly wants into Sonic the Hedgehog,' vs Stern where 'stuff gets yanked out of every game'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Kaneda emphasizes importance of theme integration and immersion in pinball design. Games that successfully pull players into IP worlds (Jaws, Batman) score higher than those with weaker thematic connection (John Wick, Uncanny X-Men).

    medium · Kaneda: 'moment you hit start you're in the movie,' Jaws/Batman 'pull you into theme so well,' others fail to create immersion despite gameplay quality

  • $

    market_signal: Pinside secondary market pricing used as real-time indicator of market demand and product acceptance. Immediate price drops signal lack of desirability.

    high · Kaneda cites Pinside Walking Dead LE trading at $11.5K immediately post-announcement, predicts further $3K drop when next Stern releases

  • ?

    industry_signal: Kaneda suggests Stern has lost credibility with community through repeated strategic missteps. Questions whether anyone can genuinely defend current Stern strategy, suggesting broad skepticism.

    high · Kaneda repeatedly asks if anyone defends Stern cabinet design/strategy, notes Ralph and Don (content creators) now acknowledge Stern's problems, suggests nobody can defend the company

    • Can you guys see me? I can never hate on Gomez, but that interview was rough. I don't understand why they can't get their [ __ ] together. Sad Boy, love you, brother. Always. I It's like It's just not a show unless um unless Sad Boy jumps in here with the $50. Sad Boy, I'm telling you where I'm going to spend that tonight. You guys ready? Going to see Machine Gun Kelly tonight. in Brooklyn, baby. I'm so excited. I, you know, can't wait to dance. Nothing like a concert where you know you're going to be dancing and I get to wear my stupid outfits and fit in for once. That's the most exciting part. Fizzy, what's up, brother? Thank you for the two bucks. We know you got more money. You just bought a Beetlejuice with everything on it. Um, you know, I I I've heard a lot of people want to talk about and we'll talk about the George Gomez interview with Carrie Hardy. Uh, there's something happened over at Stern. It's not good. It's not good. There there's um I do think we we talk about this a lot. I I think this company's at a moment of inflection and I just don't really understand their strategy and and that's not good, right? Right. I mean, you should kind of know a company's strategy when you uh see their products, when you see the changes they're making, when you see the new innovations. I I don't I don't I don't really understand what the strategy is. I mean, I know what the business strategy is of like the financial reason why they're doing these things. It's not going to work with consumers. It's just not um unless we are absolutely uh unaware of of the thousands of people buying these games that aren't on social media. I don't know. Maybe. Who knows? What's up? We got Hey, Mike Jones. Mike, what's up, brother? Hope you're doing well. Hope you're traveling the world. Mike, Mike and Becky, right? You guys always feel like you're uh you're traveling Wilburries. It was great seeing that time in New York all those years ago.
    4:42
    Well, the reason why the the Walking Dead accessories came out quickly, do you know why? Because they already made that topper like 12 years ago or 10 years ago, 11 years ago. It's the same topper. You know what I'm saying? So, like it was already designed. So, I I don't I don't think it's It's not the same topper. I thought it was. It looks I mean I know they added a little It's like twice the size. Well, yeah. I mean, okay. So, they made it bigger by scale, but they didn't have to design it really. They just doubled the proportions of it. The other one was embarrassingly small.
    5:19
    See, Robert, that's the big question. And Robert said, "I hope they I hope they increase the bomb if you know due to these cost cutting measures." Uh I it doesn't feel like they are. Uh I hear the stuff gets yanked out of every game more than stuff is put in. And then I hear the opposite at Jersey Jack. I heard Jack told Steve Richie to put everything he possibly wants into Sonic the Hedgehog. And that's the difference. Um that is the difference. I think one company is loaded up and the other company is yank it out. We got to get this price down.
    5:58
    The expression lighting system with armor is actually cheaper than spike 2. You know what I don't like and and someone said this on pin side and again Stern, what's your strategy? What are you trying to achieve with this? I don't like the fact that you are now giving people who bought the premium the ability to have the same lit up side armor as the Ellie owners. I mean, it's like Stern doesn't get it. Like the very simple concept here of you continue to screw over the Ellie buyers, you continue to make the Ellie something that doesn't feel special, and then you continue to give the non-LE guys a a game that looks just as good, if not sometimes better, than the LE. Like, I you know what I'm saying? Like I you just don't see the value in the the $3500 increase for the price of the the damn LE. I mean, people forget, man. It's like you accessorize this, you know? Think about like this. The Does the Walking Dead Lie for 13,000 come with a shooter rod? That's the zombie head? I don't think it does, right? Does it come with a topper for $13,000? No. So instantly, if you want to make your game look the equivalent of what you would get at another manufacturer for much less money, this is Stern we're talking about like who was always like the cheapest option in the market. I mean, seriously, the mass-produced, they make the cheapest game in a lot of ways. I know they put money into assets and you know software but but but like let's be honest here like this company is not making the high-end product. Okay, you know this right? We all know this. Okay, the playfields are not the highest end looking playfields. The cabinets are not the nicest. The toppers are not the like it's just for what you spend you are not getting your money's worth. And you know this right now, right? Okay. So, the Ellie, the Ellie right now, if you want to put the topper on it and the shooter rod, you're now looking at a $14,200 game, which is already the game is selling for 11,500 on Pinside and it hasn't even sold. You you know, you got to think about what that means that there are 500 of these that they made. There's no demand for them. the price instantly has already decreased to 115 overnight. Overnight,
    8:28
    you know, and then the problem be again, the problem becomes with all of their games recently. It's just like you don't even feel anything towards the LE. You feel nothing. There's no there's no compelling reason to buy the LE. It's the dumbest buy. Everyone who gets the premium can then get the inner art decals. Like, stop stop offering that stuff. Why? I don't think I I think there shouldn't be the ability to make a premium look almost identical to an LE.
    9:02
    Evil Dead is having tons of issues now. Everyone's games 20 to die or your Evil Dead.
    9:10
    Sterns are reliable. There's nothing to break. You You understand? Like they are very reliable pins. There is nothing to break. Look, I've had Guns and Roses for a few years now. A year and a half. All right. Uh, nothing broke on it. I played it a lot. I don't really play it anymore. Hey, can I ask you guys a question? You you you'll probably know the answer to this. Um, I think I did this before I powered up my G&R. My friend has a G&R CE and it won't turn on. And is that just the battery now? because he let the battery die. Is he going to have to like reboot or reinstall the game somehow?
    9:58
    And and the battery is in the back box, correct? It's on the board on the behind the translate. Correct. Or is it the battery that's in the CPU that's in the cabinet?
    10:18
    Yes. reboot with a paper clip. Okay. There's a YouTube video and how to jump start it. All right. Great.
    10:28
    All right. All right. Thank you guys. See you guys. This community is so helpful.
    10:34
    Um All right. So, look, let's talk about the Gomez interview. Let's talk about the cabinet picture. I I don't know if you're stern I don't know if you're a stern how you think that we would look at that image of that cabinet corner that we would look at that and say this is an improvement that this looks like a quality build now does anyone believe that I mean I'm asking you guys we got 64 we got 100 people here basically out of a 100red people does anybody look at that new stern cabinet and say this looks like a better cabinet I'm just I'm wondering if there's someone out here that wants to get in a debate about that they they actually improved they actually improved something with the cabinet design now
    11:28
    you know when George is like well this is going to help us like put the decals on you know I was I was laughing when he was like I don't know how much glue the guy uses George what do you mean man what do you mean so George you mean you mean I I wanted to be like George so you mean to tell me. Stern's been around now for 40 years, right? 40 years Stern has been making pinball machines and you guys have always been anxious about the glue amount on the cabinets.
    11:59
    I don't know, man. I don't really buy it, George. I think when you guys took cabinetry in house because you stopped working with Church Hill, your cabinets went to crap. People forget, man, the Church Hill stuff was way better. The Church Hill Playfields were were way way better. There a lot of newbies in this hobby that weren't around, especially a lot of newbie content creators that were not around when the Ghostbuster Playfield inserts were all lifting. Remember that they had to send out repopulated playfields to everybody. People forget this stuff, right? Storm's been cutting corners, cutting corners, cutting corners. And so the the problem is is as they've cut corners, they've raised prices. You know what I'm saying? You talk talk about burning the candle at both ends. You've cut corners and you've raised the price. It's like it's like Dodge. It's like the reason why nobody buys Dodge is anymore because they raise the price on all the Jeeps, right? If you think about a Jeep, man, how much is a Jeep worth to you? How much is a pinball machine worth to you? That you should see what they did to Jeep. I mean, Jeep was always an affordable product, right? It was reliable. It was affordable. it was now you can get a Jeep all the way up to $100,000 for a Jeep. So when you go to a uh Jeep dealership, a Dodge Ram Jeep dealership, guess what? You'll see an ocean of unsold product and anyone who bought one at those at those high prices, they got they got hosed on the resale value and the tradein value on the cars. You know, Hans, did you get you didn't get that new for 48, did you?
    13:43
    They get so stupid how how expensive they become. So Stern makes a, you know, look, the Raspberry Pi is embarrassing. Are we supposed to believe that the Raspberry Pi that's a $30 item is somehow an improvement?
    14:04
    You know what I'm saying? Like, so Stern's got a real like perception of value issue. They've got it on all of their products, I believe, now. And and it's like it's like who aren't they screwing over, right? It's like, make it cheaper, charge more, make too many less to the point nobody wants them anymore. Then reduce the number of less, people still don't want them. I mean, think about that for a minute, gang. They only are making 500 Walking Dead ales. 500. 11 years ago, those would those would have sold out instantly, right? 11 years later, you can't even move them. And anyone who bought one just lost $3,000. That's what they're going to be in like a month, in two weeks when the new Stern comes out, you know? And you could see it, too. Like, you know, like I remember like when Don was new and he was unboxing Ellies and Ralph is the same way now, right? It's like you could see it like Ralph, he kind of gets it that Kenade is right. You could see it like there's like there's absolutely no way to defend anymore what the Stern's strategy is and and what these products are costing for what you get. And you could see like over then then you go over like Benton, Wisconsin and you look at the craftsmanship of a spooky butter cabinet and put it next to this. You look at the craftsmanship of Harry Potter, you put it next to this. You look at the craftsmanship of a dune and uh you know and a Winchester's mystery house and you put it next to this and you're like, "How is this $13,000? How is this $10,000?" Right? How is this $10,000 for a premium?
    15:53
    So Jaws 50th is the last spike to I think Jaws 50th um is a great buy. I I I've said it. I think it's the only Stern I would even think about buying this year. I I think there's nothing else of excitement that has come out from them. I think everything else I would just You know what I'm saying? Jaws 50th is just iconic. It's an iconic franchise. They nail the theme integration. I would have liked there to been more of a shark that does something. It It is a little bit of a a dog's chew toy that pops up. I'm I'm I'm embarrassed for them that that is the mech. I'm also like I I'm embarrassed that they made the Orca look like anything but a ship. But, you know, other than that, other than the other than the cheapness of it, it it it's it feels where Jaws wins, man. It's like Batman. Like Batman's not not the greatest like shooter, but what Batman and Jaws do so well is they just pull you into the world. They pull you into that theme and it's like because it pulls you into that theme so well. I mean, the moment you hit start, you're you're in the movie. The moment you hit start in Batman, you're in Gotham. It's beautiful. You know, the the the there are certain games out there that don't ever like really pull you in. I don't think people get pulled into John Wick really. I don't think, you know, I don't even think there's a to me John Wick is just like ah, you know, people are not getting pulled into the uncanny X-Men. in the right way. Maybe it's better now. I don't know. I'll give the new code a shot. People just um there there's a um there's a beauty in what they did. I think James Bond also pulled people into the Bond world nicely with all the assets. Um Kong is more fun than Jaws. So, that is something that I can't speak uh to. I don't have enough time on on Kong. I have way more time on Jaws. I I just find King Kong to be Let me just I'm just gonna say this. I really can't stand over a King Kong machine. It just looks like it it does just look like like a unicorn just like like vomited all over the playfield. I I I think Kong was a game that they got so close to like what should have been the next Godzilla and they just they just vomited a rainbow over the playfield. And I just like that. I like that Jaws is the ocean. You know, you you stand over Jaws and the art that you want is there. it it's not the most it's a good example of like where I think sometimes you know and and and the advice I would give like Yeti and and some of the art direction at Stern is like they they have a little bit of this like everything louder than everything else going on with with with their games and there's a I don't know there's a beauty in the negative space there's a beauty in simplicity at times and so I think the Jaws playfield is simple and it works and It's like, you know, it it it it's like connects you to the theme in the right way. I like Batman's a simple playfield as well. It works. It's not overcrowded, right? It's kind of like it makes you smile. You walk up when I walk up to King Kong, I feel like I feel like like Killian and Cassian just went crazy with the crayons, and I I just don't like that.
    19:43
    What's up? Hector in the house. Hey guys. Um, I'm gonna spend any money you put in the chats on Brenda tonight. So, how much do you love Brenda? That's it. That's the offer. Whatever. Sad Sad Boys just got Brenda like a few drinks. But I think we can go higher. I think Brena deserves I think she deserves Canada fan um at its finest, you know, and we set a little bit of a goal. We we always achieve it. Remember when we raised all that money for our dearly departed um well, she's she's still around obviously, but the uh poor Emily. Maybe we'll we'll we'll let her back in. We we'll in the new year we'll let Emily Anderson back into the party. You know, it's it's it's when people get blocked from Canada um Facebook. I I would miss it. I would miss the ability to hang out with the Canada club. Thank you, Fizzy. Look at that. Good man. He's now the four bucks. Um okay. So, we got George Gomez. Transformers or Pokemon? I think they're going to mess up. Uh I I just don't I don't I I am way more excited for Transformers than Pokemon. way more excited. Is anyone like really within our demo, man? We all grew up with Transformers. Most of us were not We haven't played Pokemon. We We don't look at Pokemon with the same affection as Optimus Prime, like the Optimus Prime. And and if they got Peter Cullen, he's still alive, right? If they got Peter Cullin to do the call outs, who I'm buying it now, what they need to get, because the song was also in the regular TV show, they need to get You Got the Touch. If they don't get You get the touch and there's not a matrix of leadership as the topper, this company is dead to me. Cause, thank you for the 99 cents, brother. You know what I'm saying? If they don't have the matrix of leadership as the topper, this company is dead to me. and it needs to open up and light needs to come out of it because if they don't do that, it shows me they don't know this this property at all. I mean, it is all about the matrix opening up and a beam of light coming out and filling your room and it should be like a kind of a almost like a disco ball the way the the the prism it should be like more of a prism of light coming out that goes all over your room and just and imagine if it opens up and it's like you got the touch. D. You got the power after all is said and done. You never lose. You know, like if they don't do that, if they don't do that, then they don't know this property. And oh, ler, like we had to do with the licenser. No, you know, B, I'm tired of this excuse. It was licenser. The licenser. The licenser. You know what? It's all it's all BS, man. Because I hear from other companies and they're like, man, yeah, a licenser might have like ideas, but like if you show them the possibilities, they often will say yes. I don't think Stern pushes.
    23:05
    Dog is barking outside. So yeah, I think Stern's in big trouble and we're going to see what's up. What's up, Canada? They need to theme it after the 86. Of course, dude. They're not going to though, man. You know, Jeff, 100%. Jean Gonzalez, baby, with the $10 going right to a glass of sake for Brenda. Thank you, Jean Gonzalez 3167 for your contribution to Canada's Pinball Podcast, Saturday mornings. And you guys are you guys on Facebook are terrible. We have zero stars. Zero zero stars. Unicron as a topper would be the other thing that might work. I think imagine when you kill him and the like the light the beams of light go through his eyes and his mouth. It's my destiny. I used to be like, you know, it's amazing. Do you guys know this that Unicron was the last theatrical role of someone you know as Orson Wells was the voice of Unicron? This is where they're going to say we can't get Orson Wells's estate to approve it. It was my destiny. You know you belong to me now. I BELONG TO NOBODY. YOU KNOW STARSCREAM. I MEAN no Galvatron was Leonard Nemoy. We are allies now against a common foe. It's the end of the road, Galvatron. It's a pity you Autobots die so easily or I might have a greater sense of satisfaction. Boom. And then you got the touch. Arise, Rodmus Prime. No, Optimus. Like that. That is the moment that like like I I don't think I've seen a scene in a movie that's made me feel more giddy than that moment. And they and he realizes like you know till all are one you know now light our darkest hour. Can you just got to think about this for a moment? The old pinball machine turns pitch black and only the matrix glows as like Galvatron is fighting you, right? The whole machine should be dark and then you light our darkest hour and the whole machine should just go white light all over it with you got the touch playing and yeah don't hire me as the CMO stern. Don't even make an offer. I would have taken a pay cut. Can you imagine if I was in the room while they're designing Transformers?
    25:59
    I You know, you think Elliot Eisman feels this way about Transformers? Do you think he grew up as a little boy and walked into Toys R Us and saw Fortress Maximus there for $100 and all I wanted was Fort Max and my mom said no, it was too expensive. Do you think he Do you think he had those memories? He wasn't even born yet or he was like one years old. Do you think he feels this way when he hears you got the touch and dare? Would you have relocated the family to Chicago? No, I wouldn't needed to go. I wouldn't need to have to live in Chicago. I would have gone there. I would have flown, you know, look, I think going there like a few days a week would have been the way to do it. Um, I think that a lot of what the CMO could do over there doesn't need to be in person every day at the company. I got Omega Supreme. I had Crypto. Our big ones were um Omega Supreme. Um
    27:02
    let's see. Metroplex. Um and Trypicon was the big one. We had the Trypicon was insane. From the dinosaur to the base to the robot. I mean, these were triple changers. Remember that? Oh, we also had Scorpionox. He was huge. Remember Scorpionox? Uh, we had everybody though, man. We, me and my brother used to like throw them all in a pile. We used to pick one at a time and then line them up and have a battle. This is before the internet, you know? We weren't watching kids playing with Transformers. We were playing with them ourselves. I mean, this is what the sad part about what's happened to kids today is they they watch people play video games. What? Um, that shirt is not banned in Florida. We're bringing this to Florida, Frank.
    27:59
    Well, when George said, didn't remind me, he said the flat plastics,
    28:07
    what was his rationale again for the flat plastics? something stupid. It was like what what did he say? It was like was it like a Did he Did he use the design the design choice? He said something that I I I talked about it in my show.
    28:32
    We want to make a profit. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thank thank you, Mr. Hughes. He was like, "You have to reme like people are like why do you have cheap flat plastics in your game?" And he's like, "You have to remember like when I got here there was only like eight people in design and you know 20 people on the manufact like what George what are you talking about? Why is there flat plastics in game still?" So it's like this weird thing where Stern is like didn't you want us to get this big? Let me let me just I almost feel like talking about Stern's business strategy as if I'm a deranged Scooby-Doo. Are you guys down for that? Can we talk like this for a little bit? I don't know why I want to do this right now, but I just want to do this right now. Are you guys okay with that? What? How? You need to realize what we did like 10 years ago. This is really bad. I should stop doing this. Didn't you want us to grow so large that we'd have nothing but flat plastics? [Music]
    29:34
    Like, why why would You know what it is when when George talks? He um he he acts like we're investors in his company that we would be happy that they found a way to make this cheaper. You know what I'm saying? The only people happy that they found a way to make their product even cheaper are the investors who are lining their wallets with our money. We are not happy by that.
    30:07
    I just don't know who's making the decisions over there. I really feel like they they've they've been making some boneheaded decisions. Who gave the,200 stars here? Hold on a second. Let me see. Let me pull up my star count. Trying to click on it. Identify yourself. Let's see.
    30:33
    Okay. It usually lets me. Oh, I just turned it around. Um, if you gave the stars, thank you very much. Identify yourself and I'll give you a shout out, but don't cheat. Make sure it was you. H I don't know, man. I'm so happy like Beetlejuices are going to be on the line in just a few weeks. I think Winchesterers should be on the line, too, in January.
    31:08
    I mean, I the last point I'll make it is putting brackets to hold the cabinets together is just terrible. Now, look, I'm going to address what Ajax just said. The GNR G&R fan goes to see MGK. I'll tell you why. I'm going to tell you this right now, gang. And and I mean this and I I want everybody to keep an open mind. MGK's new album, Lost Americana, is amazing. It's amazing. It is absolutely amazing. It's different than like Guns and Roses. Obviously, Guns and Roses new stuff is trash. Like, it's trash. Like, nothing is so bad and Atlas is so bad. Absurd is terrible. Like, all the stuff that Axel, you know what? You know what I've realized? Axel's got a great voice and he used to be a decent songwriter. No more. He's he's like god awful now at like these songs are god awful. And it just goes to show you that like what made Guns and Roses so great was one man who guided all them. It was his name was Izzy Stradlin. So, if you really know the history of Guns and Roses, you know that Izzy is really the guy that wrote all the big hits and he steered them to get to the sound they had. It wasn't Axel. Like Axel, you know, you know what Axel wanted to make was crap like My World. You know the story? Izzy was like, "You're not putting My World on Use Your Illusion 2." Like this is garbage, Axel. We're not ending this Opus double album with that. And Axel said that promised him he wouldn't put it on. And then what did he do? He put it on because he's just like a he just is such a weirdo like that. Like he thinks like songs like that and absurd and you know it just they're not good.
    33:04
    Well, and Slash Slash like when look at look at when Slash was with Izzy because Izzy drove those songs with Duff's like punk bass work. They drove those songs and dude I you know when you go like I just listened to like Sweet Child of Mind today and I'm like this is like I this is so good. The way each of them dance and complement each other's styles and sounds that it's like perfection. Rock and roll perfection, right? All of Appetite is all of it. They wrote Appetite. They recorded Appetite in two weeks, right? And then you get to like, okay, but my point is this. And again, for those of you saying it's crap, just do me a favor. Listen to Lost Americana. Don't judge it. Don't say you're not going to listen to it because it's MGK. And understand it's great music. And he wrote that album after hitting rock bottom. lost. Megan Fox was a idiot on drugs and alcohol. He went to rehab and he wrote the album and recorded it in two weeks. Again, you notice this thing here like real creative genius happens quickly and you capture it. He wrote it he recorded it in his living room over a twoe period. It's it's a I'm going to say this. It's a terrific album. You know, artists sometimes just capture something in a moment and they find themselves in a moment. It's like Eminem's recovery album, right? It like there's a reason why it's so good cuz he got clean and he he finally had clarity. Now his stuff is crap. Like his new stuff is horse. Like it's crap. And I know it's weird to say this, but like currently right now in the world, Machine Gun Kelly is putting out better music than Eminem right now. He's not a more talented artist than Eminem. But you know what I'm saying? Like it's I think when it comes to music, you always should keep an open mind. I mean, I like everything from MGK to Sarah Brightman to Guns and Roses to K-pop Demon Hunters to the Eagles to like Journey to uh you know like I like some Led Zeppelin. I like some Azie. I like I love 50s music like Dell Shannon. Give me Dell Shannon. Give me you know give me um Frankie Valins, you know. Give me uh give me all the stuff from the 50s, man. Frank Sinatra, My Way. You know what's crazy about My Way? Read the story about that song. It's incredible. You know what that song is? The music is a French song. So Frank Sinatra went to his songwriter, his lyricist. So he didn't even write the lyrics. He he he g he the French the the lyricist heard the French song and then recorded probably the greatest lyrics to any song ever in my way for Frank to sing as his like a song that captured his career. I it's it's amazing when you go listen to the French song. It literally is exactly the same song musically.
    36:35
    Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah, Paul Anka. Anyway, we got Spooky in the house. All right, everybody. What are your numbers? Let's share our Beetlejuice numbers. I am gonna be waiting the longest. Canada is 999. Spooky, you better make my game last. I don't want any show games made after mine. I want my game to be the last game on the line. The last. Like, I want to be there. I want to fly to Benton. I want to h I want to have everybody sign it. I want to have like popping Benton Champagne known as, you know, Bush Light. I I wanna I want to make it a moment. I want to dance around it. I want to do a seance. I want to be like, "YEAH, YEAH. IT'S SHOWTIME, BABY. Canad's going to Benton."
    37:35
    We got 102 238. What did you guys get? What numbers did you get? And the Canad Club members, so you guys know, we I haven't figured out yet. We're 501, 502, 503, 504, and 505. Right smack dab in the middle of the build. I love it. I love it. I can't wait for Beetlejuice to get out. I can't wait. I love it. I love I love like it's coming, right? It's like it's coming. And then we're going to get Goonies, Gremlins. Yeah. All the G's. You know, the G's are going to be taken are G's, baby. The double G like Gucci. It's going to be amazing. It's going to be I can't like literally if you're bugging Luke, you're like, man, look at those corners, baby. Look at those corners over at Stern, man. Like, are you serious? Are you serious? Like, I'm going to make a t-shirt line with those corners on it, man. Like, that is like the new running joke in Pinball. That's why I made it my Facebook my my cover. It's just it's I I can't stop looking at it. I keep looking at it like, you know, cuz they don't they don't even have they don't even match up. The the wood layers don't even line up. Just it just looks wrong. It just I like Killian would be like, "You made a mistake, George." Like, how did Seth like walk over that and be like, "What is this shit?" Like, what have we done? They're going to make fun of this. We can't screw together cabinets with brackets. Brackets? You want to talk brackets? If I'm Seth, I'm like, "Who who did this? The only bracket I want is my March Madness bracket, not this crap. They're going to make FUN OF US. THEY'RE ARE THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF ME every day that I don't know Bimball that I came from Disney. I don't know what I'm talking and this is the this is what we're going to put into market for $13,000. We're really going to do this. George, we going with this? Yeah, man. I think I'll say some I'll make up some [ __ ] like it's easier to APPLY THE DECALS. YEAH, MAN. DUDE, GEORGE, ARE YOU SERIOUS? LIKE, WE CAN'T SAY THAT, GEORGE. AND THEY DON'T I'M SO SICK of seeing these dumb videos where these guys are applying decals with squeegees. What What are WE A WINDOW WASHING COMPANY? WE'RE TRYING TO SELL A $13,000 PRODUCT. Maybe we don't show them putting on a a decal with a squeegee. Even if we have to, maybe some things are left unseen. Like maybe we think about building a brand. Maybe we hire that Canada guy. He seems pretty good at marketing. He understands details. He's read the book Unreasonable Hospitality. He knows how 11 Madison Park became the number one restaurant in the world. It wasn't because of the food, George. It wasn't because of the duck, Seth. They became the number one restaurant in the world because of the customer service, because the details, because they created moments for their diners that they would never forget. And you put these corners out in the world and we were going to say, "What?" Yeah, man. Spike 3 is looking real good. It's looking real good, George. THOSE DECALS ARE GOING ON REAL EASY NOW. Get the squeegee, baby. Squeegee it up. Are you guys literally Do you need me to tell you this? That we're going to make fun of you that we work really hard for our money and if any product we had, if we looked at the build quality and it was that, we would be like, "What? What? What is this, man? Is this the IKEA version or is this the uh What is this? We're not We're not doing this, are we? We're not We're not We're not really going to put this out there.
    41:49
    It's a joke, man. Spike 3 is stupid. There's no other way to say Spike 3 is stupid. I I I think Spike, you know, Spike 3 is worse than Spike 2, bro. IT'S LIKE THERE'S NOT BETTER. THERE'S NOTHING is better. And then they go, "Oh man, we got to text him at 12:42 in the morning and tell him that he's ruining our lives. He's disrupting our family. He's not fair. He's not allowed to speak his opinion about our cheaper product." We're not going to fool Caneda. Comes from a family of very opinionated Greeks and Sicilians, and he's got a hot wife and two beautiful kids.
    42:32
    I don't think I don't think he's I don't think he's going to be I don't think we're going to get to him. We can't turn him into a Ralph. They know that. They know they can turn me into a Ralph. And I love you, Ralph, but man, like Ralph's going to bat for Stern's wood. Like, why? Why, Ralph? Your content is so good. Like, you Ralph, come on, man. Like, your eyes work just like ours. You see, it looks cheap as f, man. Like, this is not an improvement. Like I we just need more people to just make fun of them for it. Like it's they'll go back and build the cabinets better if we don't buy them. This is why I love the power of consumerism. Like if you just don't buy it, they'll have to go back.
    43:23
    I I I don't I don't Man, it just looks It looks bad. Like it's $13,000 product. Hey, Spooky. Anyone over a spooky machine right now? Let's see what the spooky corners look like. I want to see everybody's corners today. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if if I'm George and if I'm Seth, see, I like being Seth because I I I want to be the CEO and walk in. LET ME SEE EVERYBODY'S corners right now. If I'm Seth, I walk into a room and I want Barrels' corners, Spooky's corners, JJP's corners, CGC's corners. Put up everybody's corners right now and then put up ours. DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, GEORGE? WHAT THE GEORGE? LOOK AT THIS. Look at our corners, bro. This looks like Look at this cheap sand. Where's all this plywood? MDF. M. What? What are you saying, man? It's not better. How can you say that if they're looking at this for 10 grand, we're going to sell them this for 13? George. George, what's happening?
    44:36
    What? What? What? What have we done? We should have just hired Canada and told Tim Sexon, you're going to have to deal with him. And he left. And Tim Sexon quit the company. So there's nobody at Stern right now that I have as of today have I have not thrown a drink in anyone's face who works at Stern. So I think I'm hirable now, right?
    45:03
    Oh man, I still want that drink. Tim owes me a vodka soda. Nah, Tim, that was a stupid move. I'm sorry for doing it. I've I've said my apologies. It was seven years ago, but you know, sometimes people still bring it up. Canada got drunk seven years ago and threw a drink in the face of someone. Man, if that's the worst I ever do in this community, we're going to be all right. The kids are going to be all right.
    45:32
    Oh man, you give Luke a glue gun, man. Nobody's leaving that Nobody's leaving that factory alive. That That guy will glue gun you to death. You know, that's how his arms got so big, man. That's how Luke got so jacked. The glue gun, man. just holding it like, you know, I mean, I I miss the old spooky days, man, when they would glue gun everything. It was It was endearing. It was It was adorable. It's like, you know what I'm saying? It was like It was like we were at a high school arts and crafts class and they were glue gluing everything down. Just glue it down. You know, it's like that scene in My Big Fat Greek Wedding where he just puts Windex on everything. That that that was spooky with the glue gun. How do we uh you know, how do we make the monitor like just glue it just glue IT GLUE IT DOWN, you know? What about the uh speakers? the glue it down. What? You know, glue it down. What about the expression like glue it, glue it, everybody glue it? It's like, yeah, I I bet Luke had like a holster, you know, kind of like a old western like gunslinger with that boop. See, this the problem is like, you know, how do you make pinball content after listening to my my my show? Like, how do you how do you listen to a guy like this and then approach pinball content without being like, I don't even think this guy is making any sense? Like, I don't even think he knows what he's going to say next. I don't even think he's ever done show notes. And and the the the thing is is like, I don't even think he's ever played pinball. Like, you could you could actually make that argument. Like, have you even played pinball this year? I I don't even know, you know? It's like, but it it's entertainment. HE DID IT AGAIN. HE ENTERTAINED us for free. And we just spent $13,000 on a game THAT HAS CORNERS THAT LOOK LIKE THAT.
    47:24
    I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I love you guys. You know what's funny is like when you when you when you listen to these shows, right? They're just fun like and they're entertaining and you know I I guess over at Stern sometimes they they might think that I'm bullying them. You know some someone may someone put those corners someone engineered the bracket right like there's someone over at Stern that engineered that bracket that's like you know going home like hey honey uh Canada made fun of the the bracket again. It's um you know I was really proud of it the way I got the uh the cheap cabinets to look sturdy to be sturdy. Um, you know, Neil McCrae loves it. Um, we got one guy that's a fan. Neil Neil likes it. He's gonna order everything still. Um, you know, he's gonna, you know, makes more money and interest in a day than his machines cost. But he, you know, he's he's he's got a unbiased point of view about these these cabinets. That's good. Canadas making fun of us. He uh he's put up the corner as his Facebook cover image. Um,
    48:32
    George made the bracket. Um, you know, I um Are you guys writing anything on Facebook? Can someone on Facebook write something? I don't know why I do this on Facebook for you guys, but I do because I just want people to be happy. I just want them to be happy. They need you to do marketing for the market for them. Um, I would be a great chief marketing officer and not just at Stern, any any pinball company. I just I I know what this hobby needs. And I'll tell you this, much like what I was saying earlier, this hobby needs more unreasonable hospitality. It does. These companies don't do enough. They don't they don't surprise and delight enough. They just don't talk to the community as much as they should. Everyone, you know, for the most part, everyone kind of launches the games the same way. Gets a little stale or they spend way too much money trying to launch a game. than they need than than need be. I also think like surprise and delight is is the way to go with a lot of this. Like I mean look how successful the Winchester launch was, right? I like that.
    50:02
    I like I like just something appearing, you know, like just it's just out in the world in one location. First person to get it can take it home. Imagine that. Just imagine that. Imagine if Stern put a pinball machine in a box and just put it somewhere that you actually would have to like get to that no one is near.
    50:26
    It's kind of fun, right? You don't even have to like have the game inside it to be honest. is you could just put a box somewhere with a special,
    50:39
    you know, a receipt if you will, an IOU for the game. And whoever whoever retrieves this box gets the first LE off the line.
    50:49
    H that's never been done before. And I'll tell you this, if I was a chief marketing officer at Stern Pinball, the way I would approach everything is simply this. When we launch a game, we are going to always do something creative and unique that hasn't been done before in our industry. And what we're going to do and how we're going to achieve that is simply this. We are always going to do something that is in relation and connection to the theme itself. So, we're going to really excite the fans of this theme by doing something that is unreasonable and exciting. So, for example, the example I gave George with John Wick, they should have done a stern a stern tournament, not at a pinball bar, at a gun range,
    51:39
    and whoever was the best shot wins the ali. And you could you could have done it for a couple months, you could have done it in different cities. There's gun ranges everywhere. Do it safely. And all of a sudden, you know, all of a sudden the conversation is not about the lack of guns on the artwork. It's about whoever's got John Wick precision wins the LE. Because you got to remember like it's not to them the at cost to them. Remember when you're just giving a game away, you're really all you're doing is you're giving an at cost item. You're you're the manufacturer. So, if it costs if if if it cost them $4,500 to make an LE, that's all that would cost. But the value of the earned media and the value of the conversation and the value of the goodwill is worth exponentially more than that game you just gave away. And this is how I approach marketing with my clients. It's how it's it's what my industry is all about. Earning media and earning conversation is the way to go. And I think that these uh you know I'm talking to you now more like a professional here. I can I can do that. Uh 25 plus years doing this with major brands. The thing is it doesn't matter if the brands are big or small. What's what's really makes me sad about pinball marketing is not just how bad it is, it's how how captive the audience is. And when you have such enthusiastic engagement from a community and then you see how piss poor the marketing is, it's embarrassing.
    53:20
    Can I give you guys a um an exclusive right now of a theme I heard Stern is going after?
    53:36
    Um, why don't we do this? Why don't I sell you this exclusive?
    53:44
    Let's see. Um, I will look, we've got 111 people. I will unlock this exclusive for just $100. That's just a dollar or maybe two posts by Sad Boy. We know we've got Fizzy here.
    54:06
    And here's what's funny. This $100 we raise will will obviously go to Brenda. But what's funny about it is this when you hear it, it's going to save you thousands of dollars because if they do make this game, you're not going to want to buy it because it's just the climate's different. You know, this may this this would have been a theme that would have been fine um you know, it would have been fine 15 years ago. It's fine for like I don't know, maybe operators. But again, like when games were like $3,500.
    54:38
    I don't want to make you guys guess. I just want to sell it to you. I I you know, I I'm a little drained after all the screaming, all the um I'm a very reasonable man, though. You know, if Seth called me up and was like, "Chris, look, I know I know you're making fun of us. I know you make fun of our new CMO. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. This guy's ridiculous.
    55:09
    Okay. All right. So, here is a theme that I heard that Stern is actively pursuing. They might have it, they might not again, but I haven't heard this thrown out there. And it makes sense because they made this this theme has been made before. They also made another similar theme before. So, I am hearing and I wonder if it's a remastered that they might do this with and just change the name of the game, which would be weird though because they're competitors. I am hearing that Stern Pinball. Jamie, what's up, brother? Have you recovered from your hangover? And Jamie, I don't know if your wife told you. Janine, right? Janine, right? I think I might have been like a little buzzed, too, and called her Janice and I think she got a little upset at me, but I don't know if she told you that. It got a little awkward, but like all good, Janine. You know, like when I meet people for the first time and I haven't said their name back a bunch, I often make mistakes. I That's why when I meet people now, I usually take notes and write their name down. Okay. Okay. Good. Good. All right. Okay. So, here's the theme.
    56:23
    All right. I'll give you a hint. It starts with a C. Any guesses? Any guesses?
    56:38
    Dude, Jay Cumins, man. Drinks on me. You guys are the best, man. We are RA. We are We are Brenda is going to get drunk tonight. I might get lucky now thanks to you guys. So, thank you.
    56:49
    Um, it starts with a C. Geez, come on, Franchie. You know, leave it to Fr.
    57:17
    Cloverfield. That's a good guess. A really good guess. Cloverfield, the JJ Abrams. It is not Cloverfield. Um, but it is that is a a good guess. Child's play.
    57:39
    Is that Is that Chucky? Child's play. Um, it is not child's play. Look at us doing like market research for Stern for free with a 112 plus 130 plus potential buyers doing a free focus group. Carrie Hardy's barbecue challenge. Contra. Now Contra would be really interesting, right? I don't know if they could sell the volume, but to do a Contra game.
    58:15
    Kind of interesting. Not sure like what the world under glass would be. Commando Arnold. Yeah, that would be great. Okay. Commando Kujo. Yeah, the dog. Cobra Stallone. Right. I love both Commando and Cobra.
    58:36
    These are all Commando no Arnold. Yeah, this is Pinler Brothers would Captain America. These guys are getting good on these guesses. Now look, I think Can I just be honest? I Why do I always say that? I would never lie to you guys. Captain America in the 250th anniversary of America next year. If I was the Stern CMO, we got to make Cap next. Like, we got to we sync up Captain America with the 250th anniversary of America and it will do well. I think Captain America, if you made it like based on the movies, you know, got to get the got got to get the assets, you know. I think I think it'd be amazing. And like the shield, you can throw the shield. They got to do something with the shield and like red, white, and blue, baby. I'm sad to say that it is not Captain America. I'm sad to say that it is not Catty Shack. It is not Charlie Chaplan. It is not It is not Casablanca. It is not Cars. It is not Cinderella. It is not Clue, you guys. Like honestly, I I have to you you guys have actually all of you have put out better themes than what I'm about to tell you. It is not Carrie. And the fact that nobody's guessed it is the reason why they shouldn't make it. It is not Coraline. It is not Kujo.
    60:14
    And this is the thing. It's like how hard would it have been? It is not Chronicles of Riddic. It is not Catty Shack. It is not The Chronicles of Narnia.
    60:27
    Crap in a box of lights. It is not Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. It is not Charles in charge. Right now, you know, right now, do you think they watch this? Do you think anyone at Stern actually turns on the Saturday morning Spectacular? Like, they know I'm going live and I'm going to talk about their company. Like like if I were them, I I would watch, right? If if someone was like doing a 90-minute show talking about Canada, I would probably tune in for a little bit. Cops? Nope. Curious George? Nope. Charlie's Angels? Nope. Castlevania? Nope. All good. A lot of these are really Castlevania, man. Oh my gosh. How awesome would Castlevania be? I mean, the World Under Glass, Transylvania, the castle. You have the like the eight bit graphics. Wow, that would be lit.
    61:21
    Circle. Okay, do you guys want me to tell you it's not Chronicles of Narnia? Christopher Franchie. Christopher Franchie the pin. It just it just curses at you for not liking the art package.
    61:37
    Oh my god. Oh my god. you know, a Christopher Franchie pin about trying to like it'd be amazing a Christopher Franchie pin where the entire game is him like defeating his arch nemesis, his his his old his old employer at Stern. How amazing would that be? like you you you play as Christopher Franchie and you return to Stern headquarters and you just like take everybody out with with your like with your pen, you know, your digital pen or whatever, you know, like it'd be amazing. Like you have to in a in a world in a world where there can only be one best pinball artist, we give you Christopher Franchie the pin.
    62:25
    Uh, we got some more here. Critters, nope. Um, Wars. CSI. They already did. Nope. Creep Show. Conan the Barbarian. Cyclone. Coldplay. Creature from the Black Lagoon. All All better than what I'm about to tell you.
    62:47
    [Music] Fizzy, it starts with a C. Why do you keep saying escape from New York?
    62:54
    I mean, some people are don't even Crocodile Dundee. You know, Crocodile Dundy was like the number one movie the year it came out. Like number one. I think it beat out Top Gun. It is not Crocodile Dundee. Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Take my money now. World Under Glass.
    63:29
    You want me to tell you? Are we are we at time? All right. So, no one said it. You guys said a lot was C. So, the theme that I hear and you guys are getting this exclusive for free. Do me a favor. If you're not a member of Canadas Binball Podcast, please sign up. I mean, we literally we're generating hundreds of dollars here. It's $5 a month. You're going to get your entertainment value and it's just a nice way to even if you don't really have all the time to listen to every episode, just as a way to say thank you and continue continue to support the show would love it. You know, my goal is always to get to 800. I can't crack seven like 40 was the most we ever had. But anyway, it is not Cattish. It is not created. It is not Children of the Corn. There's nothing nothing nothing you guys are saying. The the stern theme that I heard they are pursuing and this this is going to make you guys like angry. I do love the actual product that I'm about to say. They are pursuing Corvette as a pin. Corvette. Now makes sense that they would pursue Corvette. Didn't Data East or Sega make a Corvette game and didn't not Stern do Mustang? Franchie said Corvette.
    65:04
    Oh, Franchie. I didn't even see it. Okay, Franchie. Okay.
    65:22
    Now, you know, look, I when you think about Corvette as a theme, I mean, you got to think about what they're thinking about, which is Corvette owners will buy it. They've made, you know, they've h there's millions of Corvette owners out there, I I think so in total right after all the I mean maybe not millions. I mean, probably, but it, you know, it's a guy's game, right? It's a guy's game room game. It's a man cave kind of theme. And, and also, if you think about putting them into Chevy dealerships, you start to get, you know, in the waiting rooms, like, right? Didn't they do that with Mustang? But yeah, it it's not I mean car themes in general are probably they're like extremely limiting in in the the mass appeal, you know, and that's just that's the challenge with them is for those who love Corvette, you love it, but everybody else it's like an easy pass. So that is what I'm hearing is that Stern is pursuing the Corvette license. I just told you it exclusively. Franchie said it first. I didn't confirm his guess.
    66:37
    And we we reached our goal. You got your free exclusive info from Canada.
    66:47
    I don't know. See, like the thing is this is like back when Mustang came out, you know, we didn't love it, but you know, Mustang is not a terrible game. It's just it's just it's like you can sell these games when they're 5500, you know, or the LE for Mustang was like 65 at most, right? But you can't sell a $13,000 Corvette. And this is I I keep saying this is Stern's big challenge now is like the only thing that's going to work now is like amazing banger themes.
    67:19
    Look, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't buy a Dodge Challenger pin, you know, or I wouldn't I wouldn't want a pin based on the car I drive. I will say this, Initial D would make for a cool pin. I think someone made an Initial D pin. I think that one of those cheap companies in Europe made it, right? But the But if you based it on the Initial D anime, like that would be cool. There's a an initial D game needs to have all these like orbits and like feel like you're drifting around the street. Can you imagine if you designed it so the the the ball rail look like a guard rail that's on a road and that whole game looks like the the the mountain in Tokyo that you're drifting around. Like that would be cool. Like the the opportunity for a world under glass is super neat for like initial D.
    68:14
    You wouldn't buy any pin to be fair. I just bought I'm buying Beetlejuice. Buying Goonies. I'm buying Gremlins. Buying Sonic the Hedgehog. I I'm buying all those pins. Where I put them? I'm buying Back to the Future SLE. There's There's going to be an SLE. You know, you're all going to like you're all going to be my best friend when uh Franchise SLE of Back to the Future drops and you're you're all going to be like, "Oh, damn it. Canada has a few." I'm I'm I'm thinking I might I got to talk to Barry and Melissa. But, you know, I might be able to get a few of them. Jack Danger's in the house, baby. Jack, come over to Jack, come over to um YouTube, man. It's more fun at YouTube. Get in the chat on YouTube, brother. We love you. Ju I wonder if like George went to Jack and was like Jack um any way to make this corner look better with your lighting or you know it's like I bet Jack was like dude I am not I'm not doing this because George George was like Jack's going to make a video about the improvements to the cabinet. I I bet Jack was like I'm not I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. You know what I'm going to do? Cana is gonna do this. I'm going to I think this will be funny. I'm going to order cuz there's got to be a part number. I'm going to order the bracket from inside the stern cabinet. I'm going to turn it into a piece of jewelry and I'm going to wear it as a necklace. Like this. This is how immature I am. This is like this is how my mind works. Like I think that would be really funny for me to turn the Stern cabinet bracket into a piece of jewelry and like bling it out and and maybe you know maybe I I I launch it as a whole like make a limited run of them and we do 50 Canada and we roll around shows like that like just all blinged out brackets baby's blinged out bracket and and we just we just roll hard like that through this world you know I I think it's a good idea right you see the way my mind works like you You would never have thought of that, that you would turn their bracket into a blinged out piece of jewelry. And see, now like someone's got to go back to them and be like, Seth, like we can't hire this guy. Like this is what he's saying about it. Like he just made fun of like our brackets. He's turning it into blinged out jewelry and he's he's mocking us. He's mocking us. You know, we we need to send him a text message at 12:42 in the morning and tell him it's not funny.
    70:54
    You know, I want to give a big shout out to Tux. I've been I've been talking about Tux recently. Um I think he's on I think he's home. I think he um you know, for those of you who know Tux, he's going through a real um difficult medical thing right now. And he's received his treatments and I think he's now home. He told me his story about Guns and Roses and why that pin is never leaving his house. an amazing story, amazing personal story. Um, and he's he's all excited to go see them in September and a really special concert is waiting for Tux later next year and and you know, he's an he's an awesome dude, man. And I and I think you know, we joke around about cabinets and brackets and you know, cheap Spike 3 stuff and Beetlejuice is amaz. But we all know this that all of this like this is just a um a way for us to come together. You know, I kind of feel like this is all of us are in some sort of pinball purgatory, you know, where we're all just together and the togetherness is what makes us a strong family and strong friendships have forged through pinball. And I you know, I know I say this and I and I and I get sentimental about it, but I mean that. And that's why like I I just don't think that the money lost on these games is worth it because I think that you could have used that money to physically connect with more of your pinball friends. You know what I'm saying? Like you're going to lose $4,000 on a game in a month and you you and a friend could have gone like to Tokyo. You know what I'm saying? And you'll never forget it. And I and I mean that. I I you know I'm planning a big big trip to Tokyo. Um, a big trip to Tokyo next year. Who's this?
    72:49
    People like park in front. You know, it's annoying when people park in front of your house. It's like, if you don't live in the house, don't park in front of my hedges. Oh, it's my neighbor. It's okay.
    73:05
    Um, I heard CDC is re I want to know another rumor I heard. Am I this just this is just the day of exclusives apparently. Um I don't know if these are exclusives. You guys know this, but I don't know. Normally I'd give this on the podcast, but I just I feel like in the mood I'm I'm in a really good mood today. So, but again, much like the Corvette rumor, $100 unlocks this next rumor. See, right now people are like, you know, they're like, man, Canada is like making money selling our secrets. And as long as he keeps doing this, we'll never be able to get him to sign an NDA again.
    73:49
    Um, I love it too. Like, you know, there's been moments where, you know, I've talked to some pinball manufacturers and they're like, "We want to bring you in and like we want to like, you know, sign an NDA and bring you in." And and I'm always like, but why? What's in it for me? I I lose my ability to talk freely, to tell you rumors like the one I'm about to tell you if we get another hundred bucks dropped into into the pool. And and because of that, you know, I I mean, my freedom's not worth just I I don't like I wouldn't want to see the next Stern game early, unless I was working there, of course. But I even think like what's got to be hard for all these pinball companies is, you know, they see these games for years, like a year and a half before it even comes out. By the time the thing makes it out, they're probably not even excited. They're just like trying to get on to the next. You know what I'm saying? Like like the journey's beating them down so much. And then they and then also they know that like jackasses like me and people on Pins are just going to tear down what they spent a year and a half making in seconds. You know what I'm saying? Like it like it doesn't matter if we do all this for Walking Dead, Zombie Yeti. Like Canadian is gonna make fun of the art right away. Like we might as well just go to the bar and I don't know just just block him on Facebook.
    75:10
    Don't make sad boy pay again. Will someone else step up? Who's got the cash? Who's got the moola? Money talks in this world. Money talks, baby. I'll take this I'll take this rumor to the podcast next if we don't if we don't unlock it here. You know, when I do stuff like this too, I'm probably going to hear from some club member like he's not getting his value for $5 a month. I mean, he's getting so much more than $5 a month. They like a man, you know, like I signed up for the like like you're giving them away for free. Do they make Corvettes in rainbow colors? That's funny.
    75:49
    I'll text the next three games I'm doing for $500. The Gremlins, Back to the Future, and Goonies. Franchie, we know. We know.
    76:07
    I've been $10 a month for years. Where's my t-shirt? Did I Jack? Are you supposed to get a t-shirt for 10 a month? And by the way, thank you, brother. See, Jack, you know, I I've always said this like and and Jack listens to every show.
    76:26
    Um the I I'm really I I I feel good for the guys that have been on the ride for a long time because I think you've seen a a positive evolution of my show and the content and and for people that join now, Jack, it's crazy too because like they're they're just like they're spoiled. Like they're spoiled. It's such a welloiled machine now the show like it's just you're spoiled, you know, and and I said I would never raise the minimum. Spooky Luke, what's up, brother? How's the glue gun going? We should spooky Luke, you need to do a glue gun retirement ceremony. I'm so full of good marketing ideas on this show today. Jenga is going to be like, "Chris, I listen to the show. You It was so good. You were so funny." Like, you get to the chopper, you know. But but but Luke, imagine a glue gun retirement ceremony. Like do do the whole thing like a funeral. Like you put the glue gun in a little casket, you close the lid. It feels like something Spooky would do. And then you can bury the glue gun casket. You know, some like I have a whole burial ceremony at Spooky. It'd be beautiful. Beautiful. You know, that would be a funny like gag gift that you get if you join the Fang Club. You you get like a glue gun in a casket. I would totally put that on my desk. The spooky Luke glue gun memorial. You know,
    77:58
    Frenchie said, "I gave Jack a t-shirt. He never wears it. Probably gave it to Gary." Oh my god. Frenchie, you know what I love about Chris? It's like it's like it's like the morning and he's like this. I mean, I want to catch the dude at happy hour. Bonkers.
    78:20
    No, let me tell you. Gary is wiping his butt with $100 bills. People, have you seen the new cabinet? He's wiping his butt with $100 bills.
    78:31
    He's literally like, "I'm at a $100 bill. Toilet paper, George. Make me a cheaper cabinet. Damn it, KENNEDY. YOU GOTTA STOP. THESE GUYS ACTUALLY THINK THIS CABINET'S an improvement. The bracket bling, baby. It's coming. These guys are like, "All right, you're not getting that second exclusive. Brenda's Brenda's not going to get passed out. You guys are good. You You didn't want Brenda to pass out drunk. That's why you didn't send the money. I get you guys. You guys are looking You guys are good. guys are. You really care.
    79:09
    Oh, man. All right, we got eight more minutes. I'm going to go right to 11:30. Hector Hector does not want to be short changed on on this episode. He He needs his He needs his free 90 minutes worth.
    79:26
    What is in store for Spike 4? H I feel like Spike 4 is just going to get rid of the cardboard box and just use bubble wrap instead. Why not? What this box? We can We can do something cheaper than this. Bubble wrap the damn thing.
    79:45
    I miss the pin pod, man. The Robert Mueller's pin pod from uh from Deep Root. Five Days of Deeproot. Remember that marketing genius?
    79:56
    Where is that guy? Is he Is he like in jail? Is he Is he still like Is he still free? Is he out there threatening people still? He once threatened me. Like he he once sent me um you know what Robert Mueller once did to me? I see you guys like I I he once had someone whether it was him or someone at his organization. It was it came from San Antonio. someone someone from his organization this was this was the fri this was th okay I'll tell you the timing too is very very funny how he did this he was accepting orders for Raza on a Monday before that Monday I got a threatening message from someone in San Antonio out uh naming naming the president of my company, the CEO and president of my company, their addresses of my company that they were going to blackmail me and send to those individuals, I don't know, like some like a whole doseier of my behavior in the pinball space to get me fired if I didn't immediately shut down my show. And this is all true story.
    81:22
    Um, I I had just had a baby. I don't know if you remember this. I shut the showdown and I had to contact the lawyer and the lawyer told me that that was torturous interference if they did that. And he, someone over at Deeproot did this to clear the way for me not to rag on the Raza orders or tell you not to order Raza. True story.
    81:52
    I also was legally threatened when Haggus Pinball needed to take orders. Is it crazy?
    82:03
    Oh man, Edward 40 hands with the wife tonight. Oh man, thank you. Um, thank you Kenobi.
    82:17
    Obie drunk Kenobi. I appreciate that, brother. Now look, Obi-Wan Kenobi has just given $20, which now means in the next five minutes, we are only $80 away from unlocking that next rumor. I know Hector's got the money. Hector, I'm looking at you right now, brother. I know you got the cash. Give me the cash. Fifth Element. You send stars. All right. How many stars did you send? I don't see many stars. 2,000 stars. That's not going to cut it.
    82:57
    Joe Aabati. Joe, get over to YouTube, man. All you guys just migrate over. I get it. I I do both. I do both. for for my fans. How's Ted? I haven't seen Ted in forever, man. Is he doing all right? I haven't heard I haven't seen Ted on I should text him, man. I Yeah, he's I love Ted. We used to go smoke cigars. Look at this. Oh my god. Look at Jack Danger, baby. All right. Now, I feel like if you know this, Jack, I maybe I give you a refund. You know what I'm saying? like, okay, here's the rumor that I'm hearing. I am hearing I'm just going to get right to it. I am hearing that
    83:48
    that one of the games that is in development at Barrels of Fun that they plan to bring to market. I'm hearing that it is the pinball circus game. The Python Angelo pinball circus game that was being remade by those guys, Circus Maximus or something like that. So, and and here's the thing. Do you think do you think that they could sell 500 of them? Because that that's what someone told me and that's what like now look if this is if this rumor is incorrect. David Vaness will tell me, but that is what I am hearing. Well, Don might have hinted at it, but I'm being told with from one of my best sources that this is like what they plan. Now, I I said that I don't think they can move 500 units of that, and someone said I think they could. Let's talk about it for a couple minutes here. Do you think
    85:00
    Do you think Well, but it's JC. I'm telling you right now, I I think it's one of their games that's in develop. Not everybody knew it, man. I'm getting up. Some people Did everybody know this rumor? Did everybody know this but me? Damn it, Don.
    85:21
    Well, here's the thing. It it it it is a it is a novelty. It is a novelty and a half. Like it is weird. It is strange. Well, that's the thing is like I think these guys could build it for like $12,000, right? Because I feel like when those pinball circus guys tried to do it, like there's no way they were going to. Um, so Carrie, I know it's it's on display during the tour, but but Carrie, but that I mean it's an existing game. No one that I don't think that's telegraphing that they're making it, right? Don't they Carrie, did you know that? Is it part of their development?
    86:05
    Carrie, thank you for the two-hour interview with George Gomez. Um, you know, watching George, oh man, with the tech issues was hard, right? It's like, man, like they don't have an IT guy at the world's biggest pinball company to help him.
    86:35
    Okay. Um, I mean, I've been pretty good, you guys. Jack, drinks on me. Next time I see you, brother. Jack, you know what I need you to do? Jack and Carrie, you too. I'm looking at all you guys. Dude, come to New York. Just come to New York. Just come to New York for like a couple nights. It's fun to come during the holidays. I I I put this out there to everybody here. Just come to New York. If you're coming with your family, trust me, ask Jamie how much fun he had at the Japanese Jazz Bar. Come to New York. We'll go have like an omic ac night and you'll be like, "I understand now. I understand this man."
    87:18
    You will though. You'll and you'll you'll see a level of um hospitality and and humbleness mixed with ego and sarcasm and primadana behavior allin one. It'll be great. It'll be great.
    87:39
    My son is going to New York City next week. How old is your son? Does he want to come? I'll take anybody.
    87:57
    Yeah, Hector, man. We got to talk about you. You've always invited me down there. I I definitely owe you a trip.
    88:04
    Jamie, you know, we're we're drinking sake with Janine and Christine. Jamie and Jamie, who was it? Ben, who was the other gentleman with us? Ben, I I again like I'm once I learned people's names three times, I get it. Um, but Jamie decided to go to bourbon while we were just drinking sake. All right. So, you know, and let me tell you what happens when you're at some place for two hours and four out of five people are drinking a 16 alcohol by volume drink when Jaime's drinking a 47 by volume alcohol drink. Let me tell you what happens.
    88:57
    We're all going this way and he's going that way, baby. Like, you know what I'm saying? like three. After three, I I think Jamie was convinced that the earth is flat. I think he became a flatearther in that moment. He's like, "Cuz whiskey, if if the earth wasn't flat, baby, this bourbon would be curved at the at the rim.
    89:26
    yeah, I'm going to get her hammered. Don't worry, sad boy. and I will I will upload pictures of her to f um I to show you guys that we're using the money on Brenda. I am absolutely going to share photos of my beautiful wife tonight um in the in the act of consuming alcohol. Okay? And I will share where all of your great amazing contributions went. They will be going into the consumption of alcohol, most likely the form of a beautiful bottle of sake that I will share with each and every one of you. A shot of Marlo on me. Absolutely. Ma, a shot of Malor. What is that, Jack? Should I know what that is? Sounds nice. Is it like a cognac? Is it like a a port? It is a Let me look at that more more low. Um, my It's a Chicago staple. Okay. I um my you know, I'll tell you this about sake. Like you I I find sake to be diminishing returns after like $100 on a bottle is like the most you'd ever have to spend in a store. My favorite sake there's it's uh I I love um sto bottle of sto. It's not expensive in in a store. It's like $35, $40. At a restaurant, it'll be 100, but the story junai. Love it. There's a snow white bottle that's just about $100 a bottle probably. I I don't know how it could be any more delicious, you know. And that's the thing is like it's like sake when it's chilled, which most sake is, um, you know, hot sake is usually cheaper. Um the um it's just so delicious and dry. Like I you know what I'm saying? Like I I'm not one of these people that's gonna like swish it around in my mouth and know the difference between $100 and $200 bottle. Like they just to me it's just again it's diminishing return. You you will not be more satisfied if you spend double. But you will definitely notice a difference between a $20 30 $30 bottle and a $100 bottle of saki. But after that I don't think you notice much difference. You know, I was bummed out then let you guys go. My favorite cognac is Paradis. Louis Trey is fine, but you're paying for the bottle. You're paying It's too much. Yeah. And whenever I I I went through my bottle of Louis Trey. Now I use it as a vessel to store my premixed Manhattan mix. So when you come over that ain't Louis Trey in there, it's my Manhattan mix. But like Paradise was my favorite cuz it was like $800. And look, it was like a splurge. $800. And you know, like I don't think Louis Trey is any better than Paradise. Right now it's 1,500 bucks a bottle. Like like when I went to the liquor store, I'm like, "Wait, how's this $700 more?" I was like, "Don't make me choose between a Stern Topper and a bottle of cognac because I'd rather have the bottle of cognac." Making memories with friends drinking that bottle will always be more satisfying. You know, the little dirty secret about toppers is nobody looks up at them ever when you own the game. You see them in the room. Yeah. Yeah. But whenever there's like an interactive topper thing happening, you're like, I don't even know. I can't even I'm You're looking down. It's a It's a It's a game where you're looking down and they sell you expensive stuff to look up at. [Music] You want amazing content? Record you and Brenda taking shots of Oh, man. Do they have it at every bar, Jack, or is it like only in Manhattan? So, my Manhattan mix is amazing. It's It's It won best Manhattan mix in the country one year at a amazing restaurant. It's a steakhouse in uh I think it's called It's in Detroit. It's in like the the fancy hotel in Detroit. I think it's called like I want to say prime is the name of the steakhouse or like no it's got something it's it's something else like like hold on let me see like like like fire or pit or something like Detroit fancy Detroit let me type in fancy Detroit steakhouse
    94:02
    Um, yeah, Prime. It's Prime. Yeah, Prime Proper is the name of it. I I was right. Prime Proper. Maybe it was number nine, but I think it's Prime Proper. So, it's called the Midnight Manhattan. It's beautiful drink. Sweet, delicious. It's like you take Woodford Reserve and then you take like it's like 2 ounces of Woodford Reserve, like an ounce of cherry laor, an ounce of orange laor. Um, and then a half an ounce of Italian Amaru and then like four dashes of orange bitters and you'll be messed up and you'll be loving it and you'll drink it like big cube in the middle in the shaker. Get it nice and cold. Yeah.
    95:02
    I think at the end of our lives, if you saw like a receipt that had all the booze you bought, you'd be like, "That guy lived a good life." You know, these kids who don't drink, man. I I get it, but like it's not about it. To me, it's about like it's the social lubricant, you know? But you got to be careful. Alcoholism is a real problem. Drinking and driving is a real problem. And when you live in the suburbs, I've noticed this like overconumption is a real issue. It ruins people's lives. It ruins marriages. It ruins relationships. You got to be careful. You got to pick your battles. Pick your moments. Know when to indulge. Know when to retreat. And the thing about life, and I mean this, it's balance. You know, I still go to the gym four days a week. I still work out. I don't use, you know, now everyone's like, look, like skinny because they're just taking shortcuts and like I get it. Like if you could jab a needle and all of a sudden you lose 100 pounds in a year, you don't have to work out once. Like sure, but I love food too much. So I work hard to maintain a a decent physique. But I do enjoy a nice cocktail. Actually kind of more of a fan of an oldfashioned lately versus the Manhattan. Manhattan's a little bit um you know causes cancer. He says you know that's not exactly like I think what causes more cancer is is processed foods and um stress. So I don't know. I mean you know there there there's data to support that Kelly. There's data to support people like George Burns living to be 100 smoking cigars and drinking every day. So like it is what it is. Also, like we're all going to die and life is really short and I don't want to go through life like not indulging in things I enjoy. And that look and again each their own. Each their own. But I don't think these kids are not drinking because it it causes cancer. Kelly, I think the kids are not drinking cuz they don't like to get drunk and like do stupid stuff. But youth is defined by doing stupid stuff. And stupid stuff is how you meet people. It's how you make out with a girl that becomes your wife. You know what I'm saying? Like they literally they and they just they they no one comes in hung over. No one no one's partying. No one's It's like they're not I don't know. Like maybe to them enjoying life is like just cozying up by the fire and reading a book. Cool. Not going to make babies that way. Anyway, everybody
    97:35
    Yeah. Well, you know, it's not just about the cameras are an issue, too. I mean, I sometimes I'm like, man, man, if they recorded that. Um, I think, um, yeah, I hate cameras, man. I hate that we we gave everybody like a phone that just distracts them from everything else going on in front of their face. Not tonight, though. Tonight's going to be a moment. You guys are going to see. Tonight's going to be a moment in in the Cana world. It's going to be a good day. I wish each and every one of you health and happiness during the holidays. May all of you hopefully u put down the work starting sometime maybe late next week and be present with your families and and really you know enjoy them especially for those of us and I'm looking at Jack here and some of us with with young kids Hector a lot of us are in that beautiful period where we get to enjoy the holidays through the eyes of a child and there is nothing more beautiful than that and you know you really only get 10 years of seeing the world through the eyes of a child. It is the most beautiful thing ever. And then they become teenage [ __ ] and they tell you how the world works and then they get pregnant. So enjoy it while it lasts and let's all um let's all have a fun December. Okay. I need proof of the I'm doing it. We're we're I'm sharing I'm sharing the bill. I'm sharing. How much money did we raise in total? Let's see. I think I can
    99:01
    I think uh let's I don't know if I can tell there's at least 200 here. Here we go.
    99:22
    we have about I want to say we have about I think probably 350 bucks. I can't see it all. I don't know if you guys can. Everybody be good. Jamie, be good. Give Janine my best. I love that name. I love the way she spells it.