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Arcade Gaming in the 80s: The Lost Tapes - EP1

RetroRalph·video·10m 29s·analyzed·Aug 25, 2022
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TL;DR

RetroRalph analyzes 1980 arcade convention footage featuring Roto and young Eugene Jarvis.

Summary

RetroRalph presents footage from a 1980 arcade industry convention (AOE/coin-op show) featuring early arcade game demonstrations and sales pitches. The video focuses on Bally Midway's failed game Roto and includes appearances by legendary designer Eugene Jarvis, highlighting the competitive arcade market of that era before the 1983 video game crash.

Key Claims

  • Roto was Bally Midway's intended answer to Pac-Man and only sold approximately 2,000 units or fewer

    medium confidence · Jon notes the game was supposed to be 'Bally's big new answer to Pac-Man' and references sales figures of '2 of them' and 'less than $2,000' units, suggesting commercial failure

  • Eugene Jarvis had not yet created Robotron 2084 at the time of this 1980 convention

    medium confidence · Jon speculates 'I don't think at this time he had created Robotron 2084 yet. So I guess he's here just kind of like scoping out video games'

  • Roto was described as a difficult, confusing game similar to Dig Dug

    medium confidence · Jon states 'it was a really really difficult game. It was kind of like Dig Dug-esque, but I guess it was just hard, kind of confusing, and it just definitely didn't take off'

  • Ms. Pac-Man production was prioritized over other titles, delaying game releases by 4-6 weeks

    high confidence · Bally representative states 'we've been making more and more Ms. Pac-Mans' and references production delays; Jon confirms 'at this time, Ms. Pac-Mans were selling crazy'

  • The 1983 video game crash significantly diminished arcade gaming in subsequent years

    high confidence · Jon explains 'several years after that, the video game crash happened. And of course, everything kind of reset. Arcade gaming sort of went the wayside for a while'

Notable Quotes

  • “I don't think at this time he had created Robotron 2084 yet. So I guess he's here just kind of like scoping out video games or whatever to see what other things are out there.”

    Jon (RetroRalph)@ 3:02 — Historical speculation about Eugene Jarvis's development timeline relative to the 1980 convention

  • “Yeah, this game sucks, and I'm just about to design a game that's going to blow all your minds called Robotron 2084.”

    Jon (RetroRalph, comedic interpretation of Eugene Jarvis's internal thoughts)@ 4:19 — Humorous commentary contrasting Roto's failure with Jarvis's imminent success with Robotron

  • “We've been making more and more Ms. Pac-Mans. So, you know, as long as the Ms. Pac-Man keeps going strong, it keeps pushing back the production dates on the games that are...”

    Bally representative (archival footage)@ 8:14 — Primary source evidence of production prioritization and manufacturing constraints in 1980

  • “There is no future of Roto.”

    Jon (RetroRalph, comedic commentary)@ 6:53 — Jon's punchline summarizing Roto's market failure

  • “Arcade gaming at that time was a huge business back in 1980. Unfortunately, several years after that, the video game crash happened.”

    Jon (RetroRalph)@ 9:03 — Jon's framing of the historical context and industry disruption

Entities

Eugene JarvispersonRotogameRobotron 2084gameBally MidwaycompanyPac-MangameMs. Pac-MangameAOE conventioneventRetroRalphperson

Signals

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    competitive_signal: Bally Midway positioning Roto as direct competitor to Pac-Man despite fundamental gameplay and market reception differences

    high · Bally salesman explicitly pitches Roto as 'the next Pac-Man' and 'big new answer to Pac-Man'; Jon notes this claim proved incorrect with ~2,000 unit sales vs. Pac-Man's massive success

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    market_signal: Archival convention footage positioning Eugene Jarvis as industry scout/researcher shortly before Robotron 2084's breakthrough success

    medium · Jon's speculation that Jarvis was 'scoping out video games' at convention before creating Robotron, contrasting observed critical response to Roto with Jarvis's imminent game success

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    market_signal: Production capacity constraints at Bally Midway forcing 4-6 week delays on new game releases due to Ms. Pac-Man demand

    high · Bally representative directly states manufacturing was prioritizing Ms. Pac-Man production and delaying other games; Jon confirms high sales volume of Ms. Pac-Man in period

  • ?

    product_concern: Roto criticized as excessively difficult and confusing arcade experience that failed to convert player interest to sales

    medium · Jon's characterization of Roto as 'really really difficult,' 'confusing,' and failing to achieve intuitive gameplay that should encourage play initiation

Transcript

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0:00
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. In today's episode, we're going to do something a little bit different. We're going to check out some of these lost files I found from 1982. This is from a coin op convention. So you've got a bunch of manufacturers trying to pitch their products to prospective buyers, arcade owners, and things like that. And this is 1982. So you know anything goes and there's some weird stuff that happens at this thing. So I can't wait to show it to you. And young Eugene Jarvis is there combing the floor, trying to play games and check them out. Bally Midway's and a bunch of other manufacturers and some really cool products that i don't even think ever came to fruition so let's check it out together and let's get started
0:42
all right guys let's get started let's see what this is all about this is the aoe convention we're looking at march 27th 1980. two wait did you need the guy to correct them of what year it was I think we could have a barrel of monkeys, too. Is he drunk? Maybe even Donkey Kongs? Barrel of fish? Huh? What's he talking about? And why is the camera not on yet? Oh, my God. Guys, I don't have all day. Let's get this video. Thank you. Finally.
1:14
Let's play some Zaxxon. All right. See, we're getting this party started. If I was playing Zaxxon back in the day, I went over to this convention. I'd be a fan of that. I think I can get behind that, right? That probably looks... This guy's smoking a cigarette. Oh my gosh, these guys are smoking cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, Zaxxon, hey, yeah. Yeah, this Zaxxon's pretty good, eh? Yeah, we'll take two of them, yeah. Yeah, we'll take two of them, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll take two of them, yeah. Yeah, yeah, wiggle it a little bit. Actually, Zaxxon would have been pretty mind-blowing back in the day, I think. But he's like, yeah, I'll give it a whirl. We'll buy a couple of them, five of them, yeah. Smoking a cigarette. I love these guys. 1980, like... What our kids you got for me, pal? I love it. All right. I don't know what the hell that is. Wiz Kids?
Dig Dug
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Bosconiangame
Zaxxongame
Video game crash (1983)event
2:05
I'm going to have to Google that. Wiz Kids. Wiki. No. That says Founded in 2000. Okay. All right. So now we got this dude over here. I don't know who this is. Probably just some buyer or something playing Bosconian. I know at this time, Bally was trying to find that next big game. and this is Robbie Roto or something like that, I think. So this was supposed to be Valley Midways, you know, oh, we're gonna create the next big game. So I think during this conference they were trying to feature this game Let see how it did But I think they only sold about 2 of them so it definitely was not a success And from what I hear it was a really really difficult game It was kind of like Dig Dug-esque, but I guess it was just hard, kind of confusing, and it just definitely didn't take off. But let's see. All right, so I think the guy right now that's checking out the game is Eugene Jarvis, I think, or he's next in line to check it out. what's crazy to me is I don't think at this time he had created Robotron 2084 yet. So I guess he's here just kind of like scoping out video games or whatever to see what other things are out there. But that other guy had a cigar. Hey, Eugene, you like this game? You want to bring it home, man? I love these 80s guys. They just didn't give a shit. They're just smoking cigarettes. Hey, forget about it. All right. I think it's in Chicago. So it'd probably and be like, hey, you like this cabinet? Because that's the Chicago. Chicago, hey, in Chicago, you like the cabinet? It's pretty weird. I think it's above me. It's beyond me, actually.
3:41
You've never played Roto before? No. I think he's dissing it right now, don't you? I don't know. It's fun to dig through the stuff, you know, and try to get the guys. What brings you here to this convention? Hold on. Well, I'm a game designer myself, and I just like to play all the different ones and see which one I like. Okay, he's basically... All right, let's keep going. Well, this is supposed to be Bally's big new answer to Pac-Man and all that kind of stuff. The next Pac-Man, the next generation. What are you thinking? Think he'll ever play Roto again?
4:17
I'm going to answer for you, Gene. Yeah, this game sucks, and I'm just about to design a game that's going to blow all your minds called Robotron 2084. yeah this is a steaming pile of monkey crap but uh but yeah i'll be nice let's see what he says i probably would no you wouldn't he's like yeah i probably would no you wouldn't eugene you wouldn't you're not gonna play that piece of crap you're gonna go back and go guys guys i just played robbie roto it sucked we're gonna blow their minds with robotron let's do this come on michael b trying to figure out what's going on you know yeah so he doesn't even know all right i mean there were definitely games in the 80s where you didn't know what was going on but like arcade games you're supposed to be able to go up to and kind of like they should be intuitive and intuitive enough that you can start playing them right you're getting some enjoyment out of it i think he's being nice i i how do you uh how do you get the guys off your tail that's what i want to know magic uh he like he like cool cameraman cool story bro you clearly don know what you talking about I going to go back to playing the game Here just some camera guy Yeah he didn know
5:24
Eugene was so nice, though. Does he seem like such a nice guy? I hope one day I get to meet him in real life. This makes Chasing Nostalgia like we should win an Oscar for Chasing Nostalgia. What is this video? Is it Oscars? Yeah, Oscars are for movies, right? How's Roto working out?
5:48
Oh, okay, okay. He just asked him, how's Roto working out? So let's see. We know, because it's the future right now, we know that this game only sold 2,000 or less units. So let's see if this guy BS's him. He's like, yeah, Roto's selling awesome. Let's see. Because it probably wasn't doing well. Because if it only sold less than $2,000, that means at this show there wasn't a lot of interest. So let's see what he says.
6:10
Lies. a little lift from that also. And then the... Do they, though? Do they? The little creature's following the little Robbie Roto back up to the... Oh, my gosh. Wait, was this the guy the sales guy for Midway? Because he's not doing it for me right now. All I gotta say, it's gonna be the next Pac-Man. Oh, my God. All right, it's not. But, okay, you didn't know that at the time. Hey, you worked for Bally. You're trying to sell it. I get you. So what do you think the future of Roto is? there is no future of roto okay i'm sorry that's mean that's mean i'm sorry i'm sorry well that's a tough question you know if the response in the field is the same as it is now at the show i think we're gonna have a good game a very good game how good how would it compare to say something like pac-man nothing compares to pac-man that's right that's right nothing compares to pac-man well sorry to say this one didn't work out let's just say that robbie roto is going to be around a while robbie roto he's going places i'm just kidding i am totally having fun with this guys as you know it wasn't a success obviously and if you were watching this and you were like the developer of robbie roto i'm sorry it's definitely going to be out and around and it's it going to be something i think the operators are going to be making money off of for months to come It help the trade in value too So they gonna make out and all the way around Well if I want to buy a Roto machine how much is it going to cost me You'd have to check with your local distributor on that. They can give you information. You can't tell me how much it's going to cost? Come on. You're ready to start delivering when? It hasn't been established yet, but it's going to be in the next four to six weeks. Oh, wow. All right. We haven't finalized the schedule because we've been making more and more Ms. Pac-Mans. So, you know, as long as the Ms. Pac-Man keeps going strong, it keeps pushing back the production dates on games that are... And believe me, at this time, Ms. Pac-Mans were selling crazy. There's a video on YouTube where you can see Bally Midway's manufacturing of Ms. Pac-Mans. They were selling those like crazy, so it's kind of interesting. Have you been to shows like this before? Several, yes. How does this show compare to the last year's show? Does he? We're pleasantly surprised. Oh, he does. He must. The turnout has been much greater than we expected. All right, let's skip through him. We've heard enough from him. I think that's it. I think that's basically the video. The reason why I want to show this to you guys is because it's clear that arcade gaming at that time was a huge business back in 1980. So you know what I mean? 1980, 1982. Now, unfortunately, several years after that, the video game crash happened. And of course, everything got kind of reset. Arcade gaming sort of went the wayside for a while. but it never really died, but it just diminished quite a bit. But anyways, I think this is really interesting. It's a cool look back in history, and obviously I'm just having fun. I'm kind of poking fun at some of the people in the video, so I'm sorry. It's just I'm having fun with it. I thought this was pretty cool and just wanted to share it with everybody. I'd love to know your feedback on it. Definitely let me know in the comments below what you think of this video. I really enjoyed it. It's really cool to see young Eugene Jarvis going in and scoping out other games and then come to find out just not too long after this, they made and released Robotron 2084, which I'm sure at a conference blew people's minds. All right, guys, that about wraps things up. If you want to continue the conversation on Twitter, you can do the hashtag the lost tapes on Twitter and we can talk about it there or you can leave a comment below. If you liked it, give me a thumbs up and consider subscribing to the channel. That's it for now, guys. We will see you on the next one. Thanks so much for watching, guys. if you're an arcade nerd like me, you'll definitely want to check out some of my other videos, especially the Chasing Nostalgia series. Thanks again for watching, and we'll see you in the next video.