Alonzo. Here. Beavis. Here. Butthead. Yeah, I'm here too. Boys, when I take attendance, I'd prefer you call your own names, okay? We did, sir. Yeah, see, um, see, we, like, switched identities yesterday. So, like, he's Beavis, and I'm Butthead. Right, Butthead? I'm Beavis, dumbass. Oh, yeah, yeah, right. And I'm Butthead. I'm just going to write the first letter of my name on my hand so I don't forget. Here we go. Oh, yeah. Good idea, butthead. You're a lot smarter than me. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Spaceballs! Watch out! Okay. You really want that Spaceballs game, don't you? God, yes. Since now somebody else is going to be making games, let's get that back into their head. Ah, okay. You know, my game that I want, yeah. It would be cool. Yeah. Yeah, if you made a particular game, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I don't know what the hell's going on. What do I got to do to get a goddamn game made? Damn it. Mm-hmm. So this is episode 263. Are you excited? Watch out! I just had a snow blow all yesterday. Today was great. We got Barry. This is probably the worst one since I've been at this location. How many inches did you take this week? It was more like feet, so yeah. Feet, wow! How many feet did you get, big boy? It was cheap. Very deep. I go by like when they plow, how high up are the big mounds in front of my... Yeah. Yeah. So. I got 10 inches. Wow. Impressive. Yeah. All right. We're in the northeast, if you can't tell. Yes. Although, like, a whole big section of the country got pounded with this, right? Oh, yes. They got pounded with inches, big boy. Why must it always go to that? It always does. God damn. If you're listening to this and offended, this isn't the right podcast for you. Just turn it off. Go to the next one. Go to the next one. There's plenty of them out there. There's plenty of them out there. There's new ones every day. Yeah, baby. Yeah. We got a couple months to go until 10 years. 10 long years. Let's see. What was the first one? Let me see. I'm going to go to our site, slamtailpodcast.com. June 22, 2016. That sounds like it might be correct. I know. But don't forget, you can get your tickets to Stomp. We're going to start that already? Well, since you're looking up the time and date, I'm going to give that. No, it's actually July 14, 2016. I had premature stompulation. Stompulation. All right, so you're going to plug the stomp thing again. Stomp! Space balls! All right, what about stomp, Bruce? Isn't it already available? We have tickets available, but we are up to the final 30. 30 tickets left, big boys and girls. Come on out and have some fun with us. Okay, how many total tickets? It is at 80 right now, capped, because we still are saving the 16 for prior champions. So 50 are already full. 50 are already filled. We have 30 left. And then after, before we get to like two weeks, then we'll release more if needed. Okay. So 30 tickets left. It's almost like that LE thing that Stern did with, what was it, Batman 66? I'm Batman. Where they had the, what was it originally? They did 60. But we get the 64, and then we do our thing. We're going to be certified. They had a certain amount, and then they did. Oh, and an additional 30 to celebrate 30 years of Stern or whatever. No, no. They had an initial, like the... It was original 30. 66 or... No, it wasn't like 66. No. Yeah, it was original however many episodes they had in the three seasons. No, the Super L.E. was 30. Then they went, oh, we need more, or 50. And then went another 30 for 30 years of Stern. Yeah. Yeah, so it was like 50 and 30, not 66. So wait a minute, we're mirroring that. Yes. Wow. Wow. We're like third horrific. Yes. We're like third horrific. So Stern should give us all kinds of swag and stuff. Yeah, we got to start asking for that soon, I know. But yes, if you're not going up north Canada to Yagpin, come on down to Stump. Well, if you're going to western Canada, you see, then, yeah. But if you're in eastern Canada, you could just go straight down. Straight down and enjoy the hospitality of the Rochester Pinball Collective. Where we all speak with Texas accents for some reason. Okay, yeah, okay. We have actual news this time, Bruce. No. Big stuff has happened while we were away. Big stuff. Yeah. Big stuff. I didn't see this coming. Did you see this coming? We possibly knew something was coming, but we didn't know if it was going to be out of business or sell. Oh, so we didn't know shit. We're talking about American pinball. Do you remember what we said in the year-end episode? Yeah. Wasn't there a thing like whether they would be in business or something? Yep. Well, they're going to be, Bob. Well, you never know. Yeah, you never know. Basically, I got it here right in front of me. There was a press release for immediate release, and this started quickly. First there was this news and then some other news, which we're going to talk about. But J.P. – I'm sorry. I already screwed up. J.B. Vincent, LP, announces acquisition of American Pinball. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, okay, who's that? It's Brian Vincent, and he's a rich dude – or J. Brian Vincent. Oh, you know he's good. He's got the J. He's got the letter. We've got to think of a wrestling character for him. He can't – Although, I listened to the interview with him. He sounded too normal to really come up with any good wrestling characters, I'm afraid. We'll think of one. We'll think of one? The Rockers. The Rockers. That makes no sense. He's two? He's both of them? Yes, he's both. He's split personality. No, no. We hope he's Shawn Michaels and not Marty Jannetty or they're in trouble. That's what I'm saying. Well, Shawn Michaels is pretty backstabbing, too. Don't forget. Maybe we do a thing where it was him and Dave Fix. and Dave fixes Marty Jannetty. Yes. So Brian Vincent just super kicked him right through the window and took over. Yes, American pinball. Yes, so I guess J. Brian Vincent, he owned an LED company, which he sold but he's still involved with. And basically he's got a lot of money. And he's on pin side. And he owns like 40 games. And he wanted to start a pinball company. And what better way to do it than buy one that already exists? Barely. Barely. That you know the company that owns them really doesn't want anything to do with it anymore. Barely. So, yeah, they have been sold. Yep. And I don't want to read this whole, because this is very marketing-y. Yeah, very dripping with market-ys. Yes, like things like, this investment is about the future. The future? What's the future? Both American Pinball and Orbit Games. Okay, so they're buying all the other. Yeah, they're buying everything. What about funds up? I don't know. So both American Pinball and Orbit Games have some elements we can build on. However, our top priority is building trust in the community while fostering a positive and engaging culture for employees and customers. By the way, I'm available for voiceovers, American Pinball. Yes. I am a pinball enthusiast. This is Mr. Vincent. So this investment is personally exciting for me. We are hitting the ground quickly and are already in the process of securing valuable licensing agreements for upcoming games. He wasn't kidding there. J.B. Vincent is committed to providing the liquidity and every resource available to make American Pinball a market leader that is passionate about serving the pinball community. I feel more American than ever Why are we doing like Macho Man's theme song? We should Yeah brother I'm here to make America proud again Cup of coffee Yeah Yeah. Yeah, I hear this sale was approved by President Jack Tunney, so we're all set. Yes. Let's see. About J.B. Vincent LP. Let's see. J.B. Vincent LP is a family office with investments across a range of asset classes and has a particular focus on building out operating companies to be a leader in niche markets. Okay. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. I swear to God, it's the only thing I'm hearing that like. So I guess Ron Lindeman, who was there before, he took over for Dave Fix, kind of, like basically the de facto person running things. The only person. He's going to stay there, and it's basically like those two guys running it. So they're leasing out, excuse me. Oh, man. The Arzers. The Arzers. Yeah. they're leasing out the facility from Ametron. I was wondering about that because it's Ametron's building. So how they can do that. So they just split it up probably. Yeah. I might still look into getting my own building at some point. What happens if Ametron just says like, yeah, we're not going to renew this lease. Get out. Yeah, we're done. Yeah, we're done. So, but what were your thoughts when you heard about this? Surprise as always. I think everyone else, I thought we were just going to watch that thing burn to the ground. But I love people who are there first coming out and saying, hey, where's Cuphead? Cuphead is never coming out. And if you listen to the interview with Mr. Vincent that happened on the, I think it was the Flip N Out Pinball podcast, it was pretty obvious that that's dead. That's dead, Jim. Yeah, it's Cupdead. It's not Cuphead. so uh it sounds like uh it's gonna be interesting these next uh next year because uh he has said in other things which will be coming up in a few seconds that things will be happening yeah i hope he's got a lot of money because you know to make a million dollars in pinball you gotta lose you gotta spend at least 12 yeah 12 wow now he's in texas so that was one of the questions like oh they're gonna move everything to texas but no they're they're staying where they are they wouldn't post that big job hiring thing and then say oh by the way you have to move to texas when everyone you know knows that one of the first orders of business will be to get a code update out for galactic tank force and uh i heard oktoberfest is going to get a code update yes yes that's the one you like for some reason yes there's some weird reason crazy crazy mom yeah so we heard this news and it's like wow okay we didn't see that coming and then like what is a couple days later a couple days later the next news came out like wow really didn't see that coming no i didn't see this one either uh oh before i do that you know how many uh barry's barbecue that they sold yeah i saw that it was like 150 or something pretty they said pretty sure it's less than 150 yeah that's pretty bad we may only produce 40 to 50 more i'm getting this off from nap arcade by the way yeah yeah so that's like 125 to 200 units total yeah not good you're not gonna make money doing that no but you will make money doing this so a few days later we get this announcement american pinball and planetary pinball supply announced long-term partnership to produce classic williams and bally pinball games so uh what are we picking picking what games are we picking that they're going to reproduce see the thing is you got you got cgc who already did the ones everyone wants you know attack from mars yep medieval monster bash monster bash and then he did cactus canyon for some reason but they did that one too which i'm glad they did well i think i like i like Cactus Canyon. Yes, me too. Then you got Pedretti. Funhaus. Insert Italian thing here. Hey, what the fuck it up? There you go. They did Funhaus, and they were going to be doing probably Theater of Magic and Tales of the Arabian Nights. Yes. So what other classic titles are you going to do? Roadshow. Well, then I was hearing people. NBA Fast Break. People were telling me, like, no, they're going to do with Haggis. was originally going to do. Like the old stuff. Okay, so it said Williams and Bally. Yeah, but I'm confused. It says classic Williams and Bally. You name me some classic Williams solid states that they would do. I'm a defender. Yeah, they're not doing defender. No one's going to buy that. I would buy that in a second. Yeah, but no one else is going to buy it. Oh, fuck me. The thing is, the Bally's made sense because production numbers weren't quite as high, even though some of them were pretty high, like 8-Ball Deluxe. But they were expensive games. Games that went for high prices like Fathom and Centaur. So it made sense. Games like Firepower, they don't go for a ton of money. Diamond Dozen. Yeah, and they made like 18,000 of them. Black Knight, all those games. So that's why I'm kind of leaning towards newer stuff if it's going to be Williams. True. man rick from planetary he's got a he's like printing money he's got his thumb and everything yes he does wasn't someone supposed to make twilight zone though uh well nobody's done wide bodies yet so if you're gonna get if you're gonna jump on the wide body bandwagon you're only stuck with two that would be worth it okay twilight zone and what twilight zone demo man and next gen. Demoman is still pretty cheap. Yep, but next gen you've got to get licensing for though. No, Twilight Zone you've got to get licensing for. You've got to get three different licenses if you want to do Twilight Zone. I'm a defender. Defender's cheap. I'm a defender. Defender. So I've got the announcement here. Let's see. American Pinball and Planetary... Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Today announced a long-term strategic partnership under which American Pinball will manufacture, sell, and distribute reimagined. Remember that? Reimagined. Classic Williams and Bally pinball machines under license. What does that mean? Let's see. Our owner, Brian Vincent, is a huge Williams and Bally fan. Who isn't? And we wanted to bring some great games back to the community. And to operators, said Ron Lindeman, president of American Pinball. Let's see. The agreement licenses seven premier titles selected to represent the best of classic Williams and Valley Pinball. What does that mean? You're getting Adam's family as Bob the Builder. specific titles in production timelines will be announced at a later date now the whole reimagined thing is yeah that's the the the idea i think is they make go who they're making like the regular version and then they'll be it's like they like uh pedretti did with um which we'll call it a fun house yeah they have like the regular front house and then they And then they have the new one with the new art, new software, all that stuff. I'm going to assume it's something like that. Yeah, I'm assuming so too. I'm just reading through this article again. I'm a defender. Come on, baby. He's already been on interviews. He just did one. Radical. I was thinking about that. I was thinking if you went later into System 11, what ones could you make? And Radical is the first one that popped in my head. Radical. We'd fucking. Now, he did interview, like I say, with the Flip N Out Pinball podcast. I listened to that. I didn't. Yeah. I didn't get through it yet. Good research. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He sounded fairly normal, which is not good for our content. We like crazy stuff. Oh, it'll come right out. The only thing he said that was kind of like, eh. You talked about doing the a la carte stuff where you can add more options to your game and stuff like that. I can add a shaker motor. I can add this. Well, here's the thing. That has failed every time that has been attempted. And one thing I've learned in 20-plus years in pinball is when stuff fails, it tends to continue to fail even when people try it again. Time-based games, they tried that back in the day in the 80s, then they tried it in the 90s again. 90s. And failed both times. the top glass that's part of the frame. Instead of, Bally did that in the 60s, and then Highway did it, and other people, and it always fails. It's like, don't... Don't reinvent the wheel when you don't have to. Other people have tried this, and it has failed. And I'm sure they, well, our method's going to be different, and it's going to work. Okay. With the thumbs up. Yeah. I feel like I'm in an episode of Fallout. fallout what's fallout uh that's uh the new game keith ellen is working on supposedly supposedly right supposedly i don't have no idea that's the rumor that's what i've heard too yeah well i think that'd be a good that'd be a good one you know everything okay the artwork would be awesome on that so it's a video game based thing right yes video game based that's now in a tv show hopefully they don't base off tv show hopefully they go you know the game. I always like when it's like a game and then it's like, oh, I hope they don't base it off the movie or TV show. I hope it's just the game. Yeah. Okay. So, let's see. Any other interesting things about this? I mean, this is big news. Big news! What would you want to see? Come on, tell us, everyone. We need more. We need more email. Yeah, email us what you want to see at slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. That's slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. What would you like to see? Assuming there's no overlap, because that would make absolutely no sense if they all of a sudden can't. Could you imagine that? Two different companies making theater magic. Here we go. No, I have Attack from Mars. Like, oh, do you have the Chicago Gaming one or the American Pinball one? Yeah. Knee, Radical would be cool. Yeah, if we're just going to do any, we'll just do like electronic up to the 90s. Radical and Defender would be my two. Defender would never happen. Radical, that's a possibility. Yeah. Because that is sold for huge money. Yeah, exactly. And a lot of people like that. Defenders go for a lot of money. You don't see them. You don't see them. You still don't see them. I know, but no, that would never sell. What else, though? That's the thing. Now, classic ballet games, are they going to do Fathom again? No. Centaur? No. Centaur never got done. They probably would never do that because it would just be like a tarnish. You would always be bringing up Haggis. So I guarantee you. Really? Even with the centaur that brings up Haggis somehow? It does because people got burned by Haggis. And it's just you're equating one thing with the other. All right. How about 8-Ball Deluxe? 8-Ball Deluxe, yes. I would do that because I never brought it up yet. I never brought it up the rest of the games. What other ones from the class of 81? Because what was the Haggis number they were supposed to do? Five. Five. and what the hell were going to be the five? I mean, you had Fathom, Centaur, I would assume 8-Ball Deluxe, but then after that, what? Maybe 8-Ball? It's not a big seller. Don't get me wrong. Well, no, 8-Ball's a huge seller. There's tons of them out there. Aftermarket, that's what I'm talking about. Exactly. Frontier? Frontier, maybe. Maybe. I'm trying to think of games that a lot of people like. Grand Slam. Oh, no. Jesus Christ. Oh, my God. What the fuck's Grand Slam? Let me look this up. Yeah, it's like, what, 82, 83? It's the only other game with the flip-up targets. The flip-up targets. Yes, besides, what's it called, Speakeasy. Oh, yeah, Speakeasy. So what's – well, someone's saying, hey, there's an EM that has it or something. Yeah, I don't know what else you put in there. Yeah, what else do you do? Space shuttle. They made a lot of space shuttles, though. I know, but you don't see them. They're not particularly expensive. You're trying to get something that was rarer, that people would want and would actually pay for. What else you got? You got, we can go time, what's the one with the snails? The snail time? That's so stupid. Who the hell would buy that? Nobody would, but. It would be cheap to make, though, because it has next to no fucking mechs in it. Yeah, Warlock. Who even knows about that except us geeks? I know, exactly. You know, Warlock, by the way, folks, it's basically Blackout, but with a different rule set. Wait a second, hold on. What about Varkon? No. Build in that whole new custom cabinet, arcade cabinet? No, they wouldn't do that. I keep going back to Radical. Like, yes, Radical I could see. Radical would be a great one. But what else in the System 11 era is, like, super popular but rare? Not much. i mean we could go earthshaker it's not rare but it's not rare whirlwind maybe it seems like whirlwinds are starting to die out a little bit where you don't see a not any nice one actually maybe that's what we should think of waller because all these games are always fucking expensive as hell yep that's that's why you guys funhouse Banzai Run that'd be interesting that would be expensive too that would be they're they're up there cabinet to try But think about it. If you want a game that's actually high-priced. That's high-priced, all right. It's very high-priced. And complicated and definitely is going to break. Yep, it's going to break all the time. What other Lawler ones you got? You said the Addams Family. Addams Family, if you want to re-theme it, that would be the way to do it. Which they made a ton of, but they're super expensive. Twilight Zone, you'd have to re-theme it. Twilight Zone. Roadshow you don't want. hey safe cracker if you really want to get weird uh no good gophers no so you're you're kind of you really are so i don't know where to get any seven titles from or maybe they have five and they don't have to you know they'll retheme a couple no but the whole thing was they were it was going to be a remake but then there's going to be a There was a version of it that was reimagined Reimagined Well Shadow knows Oh yeah that another Yeah Shadow would be good I like Shadow Well Brian Vincent and Rod Rod Ron Linderman of American Pinball were just on Cary Hardy YouTube show And they elucidated a little more. Explain. Elucidate? How do you elucidate? Please elucidate. What? Show them. Oh. Here we go. They said their forecast is they want to reveal sometime in quarter three a reimagined Bally Williams title, the first one. This will be their first game. And the first game under its new licensing agreement with Planetary Pinball. So I'll be curious to what that's going to be. I want crickets. Or you got to go radical radical. Or according to NAPA Arcade here, he's got Shadow. Which I like the idea of Shadow, too. Again, though, movie. So is that the reimagined part that it doesn't have Alec Baldwin on it and it's based on the comic book radio show, whatever the hell it was originally? Could be. Could be, Rabbit. Could be. American Pinball's second game will also be a reimagined Bally Williams machine. Their third game will be its first original licensed pinball machine. That's the other thing he said that made more sense. It's like, no original themes. We want licenses. Yeah. Can I make some suggestions for that original license? You know, I have a suggestion. Yeah, I got something in my pants that I'd like to say yes to you. The game should be about butts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Make it happen. Yes. Come on, American. You can make my dream come true. Or you go my dream. Space balls. Okay. watch out with the new movie coming out oh my god you'd be like home run this line doesn't make sense to me the company okay american is currently working on a surprise code update for octoberfest yeah wait a minute if they just said that then how is it a surprise surprise they're talking about they're talking about it if they're talking about that that's the biggest surprise that'd be like a Stern, we're working on a surprise Pokemon game. Excuse me. We're already playing this. You just gave away the title. We got the artwork out and everything, buddy. Surprise! American is aiming to release two new pinball machines per year, one remake and one original. Don't promise what you can't do. Don't do that. Yeah, you don't even have a thing. Don't pull a DPX. No, don't pull a DPX. Don't pull a Haggis. let it breathe. Let it breathe. Let it breathe. Just get the first game out. Get the steps. Get the game out. And honestly, when you announce this game, don't announce it with like nine months before you're planning it. If you're going to make this game. You mean don't announce it nine months before you're actually going to build the thing. No, it's like, hey, we're going to build this game. Okay, great. And then like nine months later, you're going, okay, are you guys going to build this? It's still in planning. No. stop you better be past the prototype and working out the final bugs before you announce this okay do it smart do it where guess what i'm gonna have 100 games by we're gonna release this information they said by third quarter so we can go up probably to september 30th november 15th we're releasing this game wow that's great i was thinking not not hey we're going to give out the information september 30th and uh it's texas pinball and we're finally showing it no stop i was thinking it's interesting this has come full circle because if you remember when chicago gaming was taking forever well as they always do on every title and and it's just taking so long a lot of people were like why doesn't planetary like license it to someone else how How about American Pinball? They actually can make games. They could probably produce it. That was one of the things they would always say. Well, all these years later, it's going to happen. They're listening to us, Ron. They're listening to us. Everyone said that. The thing is, I'm trying to remember. I was in the Stern Factory during one of the expo tours, and they had medieval mantises in there. Yes, because they built for the medieval. In the beginning, they were doing prototypes. They were doing something for CGC or something. Yes, they were doing prototypes. Yeah. That was always weird to me. Because they couldn't get their line up fast enough, so they were doing the building. I always had this thought in my head. It's like, I know I saw Medieval Madness. And you were right. Yep, I was right. But, oh, another interesting fact here. Two specific types of themes that American said they were not interested in obtaining licenses for, at least currently, are horror. Wow. That makes sense. Spooky. You're safe. And superhero games, thank God. Thank fucking God. I'm sick of superhero games. They didn't say... Rock bands. They did not say rock bands. And they didn't say very toilet humor. Yes. Very obscene shows. Hey, guess what? With Beavis and Butthead, you get both. You get rock bands on the shirt, and you get Beavis and Butthead. Yep, there you go. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What the hell? Why can't we get a goddamn game? We've had video games. Damn it. Let's see. Anything else about this? I mean, let's just kind of wait and see. Let's see what they do. Like I said, I hope this guy's patience and a lot of money. He's going to need both. Mr. Brian Vincent. As we said, you spend $12 million and make a million. Be prepared if people hate you very quickly if things don't go well. Yes, so don't, you know, you got your two things out this year. He's on Pitside, too. I know. Build the company up. Build, get good people behind you. Get the product ready. Then announce the game. Don't do it and say, hey, we need money for this, and don't do that. That will be your moment. Listen to Bruce. He knows all. I am the power. He-man. He-mans. Let's see. What other things? Oh, Galactic Tank Force and Houdini Deluxe are currently on the production line. Like, they still have production lines. Yeah, well, they still have parts, I guarantee. So they need to sell these out. Let's see. Their license for Hot Wheels expired at the end of 2025, which is what we heard. Yep. Let's see. They will continue to build Galactic Tank Force and Legends of Valhalla. And it will begin winding down production of its first pinball machine, Houdini, soon. Thank God. There you go. Thank God. Come on. Too tight. Too fucking tight. Tight but findable. That's what I was told. Yeah, findable by who? The fucking blind guy? Hey, made the shot every time. It's no harder than that ramp on, what's it called? Space Hunt. that leads up to that upper play field that you just can't get up to. Space hunt. Space hunt. But I still thought the catapult thing in the trunk was super cool. Oh, it was a cute toy. It was super cool. Cute. Super cool. If you could hit the shot to get it in there. Exactly. Yes. Cute. Yeah. We'll see what happens. That's going to be the big step is can they – first, don't – as I said, don't push it second if they can come through that's gonna be the two big steps yes you're gonna make a little bit of money right now because you have games you could be making right away but the problem is is anyone gonna buy them is anyone gonna buy 40 or 50 uh you know uh barbecue games no but they will buy radical they would buy radical but i'm saying you know if you're We're talking about maybe they'll have probably parts for 40 or 50 more games. What would sell better, barbecue or Defender? Oh, Defender by far. You really think so? Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah. I'd be interested to our listeners out there. The last Defender I saw went for $78,000. Yeah, but hardly anyone. No fucking barbecue games going that long. Hardly anyone has played Defender. Oh, it's a fucking awesome game. awesome sauce it is has a player controlled kickback yes yes and it has a weird like board thing going on i just remember when i was looking at uh board sets it would always have for you know this is on these games this this this this and then it would have For Defender, this, like it had its own set of pain. Pain. Yeah, it's got the single stand-up drop targets go up and down. Yep. Almost impossibly hard lock shot to hit. Yep. That's always good. Fuck yeah. It's just like Catacomb. That one's terrible. You literally just got to hit pop bumpers and pray it goes in. And pray it goes in. Yeah, that's poor. that was oh i thought of another ballet they can reproduce what could they reproduce gold ball oh jesus christ they still haven't been able to make the gold balls the same way they were made 40 years ago i know fucking awesome gold ball i'm trying to think what other ballets could they make it Silver Ball Mania. No. Oh, God. No. Space Invaders. God, no. Oh, God, no. Oh, Paragon. Paragon would be nice. Hot Doggin'. Paragon would sell better. Oh, I guarantee it would, but... Interesting. I'm just really interested in what the titles are and what era they are. Are they all just going to be 90s stuff that the other two companies haven't done? Yeah, it could be. You know what I mean? We don't know. And is there seven of those that would be seven? Yes. Addams Family. Okay, what else? Okay, Twilight Zone. As I said, if you can get the licenses, Addams Family, Twilight Zone, Next Gen. Three right off the bat. If you can get the licenses. Next Gen is going to be too much of a pain in the ass. After that, you're talking Shadow. Shadow. Number four. Maybe Getaway. Is Getaway that popular? No, it's just Shadow. Okay. What else? Gilligan's Island, of course. Oh, God. Safe Cracker, maybe? Again, that's a custom cabinet. There, Circus Voltaire, 100%. I would save that to your deep end of it, though, because that's a John Papadiuk, and you kind of want to stay away from the Duke. Don't get Duke-ied. Don't get Duke-ied with the Duke. Keep his name out of the equation. Yep. Just like, you know, listen, brother, I'm going to make this game. Well, you know, brother, you got to go dookie on the Duke, dude. Deep Duke Drive. Deep Duke. Oh, God. Yes, what he wants to be, if he wants to be a wrestling character, the new owner, he wants to be like Ricky Steamboat or something. Yeah, I was going to say Ricky Steamboat. Just like the ultimate baby face. He's just going to do everything the best way he can. and yes or or we can call him ray mysterio because guess what he has the mask we don't know we're gonna get where we're gonna get yet well yes he doesn't have a mask i'm looking right at him no i'm talking about ray mysterio you know and you know plus we know what ray mysterio looks like because he wrestled without a mask in wcw for christ's sake we're supposed to forget that yes oh jesus everyone else does things like no i think brian vincent he's gonna be we'll do Ricky Steamboat. We'll call him Brian the Dragon Vincent. Yeah, he's the dragon. We're going to see what the dragon can do at American Pinball. Yeah, baby. Then Dusty Rhodes might attack him. I'm taking you out, baby. Actually, I wouldn't fit with Dusty Rhodes. The American Dream of American Pinball. American Dream is going to take you out with the American Power Driver. I'm going to miss that. I miss doing that. That's right. I miss being the American dream, American pinball. But it's a new era, baby. I've retired. I'm going on out to past you, baby. It's all about Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. Or Brian the Dragon Vincent. He's taking over, baby. Yeah. So we'll see how he does. Woo! No, he's definitely not Ric Flair. He was sober during all his interviews I heard. So he can't be Ric Flair. Okay. So I think we spent enough time on that. You can't do me! Yes. only i can do me yeah rick flair wrestling yeah yes yes and he's been doing those cameos where he's like drunk oh god it's it's terrible it's it's not good he's just become a joke he used to be like he was rick flair he was cool there now he's just like a sad old man i'm still trying to keep myself relevant yeah yeah space mountain's broken down i think it's yes i think the ride is over the ride is over please eject yourself out of this car asap oh god oh god i'm getting i'm addicted to this new thing bruce that these videos like they keep serving me on uh facebook they're they're ai they're obviously fake but it'll be like just somebody going down a water slide but a ridiculous water slide that's not physically possible in any way and then it'll just end and they're just like in midair and then they just drop a hundred feet and hit the ground bunny cartoon yeah yeah but they're never like hurt they're just like oh god oh oh oh oh that's on the ground when if it was real they'd be fucking dead but it's it's hilarious i'm i'm addicted these things just like so many of them and that's the life of ron howell thank you very I found something good for AI. No, you didn't. They're so utterly ridiculous. They really are. No, you didn't. Okay. So what else do I got here? We talked about American Pinball and he's fallacy. We'll talk more about Stomp if you guys want to talk about Stomp. Oh, Jesus Christ. No, let's talk about what happened a few weekends ago while we were away. At the beautiful, where was it? Where was it? This happened at the beautiful Rochester Pinball Collective. Where is that, Bruce? That is at 349 West Commercial Street, Mutable, East Rochester, New York. Suite number 2965. The bathroom code is 3492. What's the bathroom code? Hold on. 3492. 3492. Thank you. Very important to have that bathroom code. So when you need to take a dump, you can go. Take that dookie. Take that dookie. so the New York State Championships were there yep two days of fun in the sun and then you had a side tournament called the Hybrid Side Tournament very inventive name what was the hybrid part? it was basically pumping up I couldn't tell you I didn't make the thing up I didn't make the thing up I left after the championship So we had the state championships, which were the top 24 players in the state. And then the next day for the women, what is it, top 16? 16, yeah. Yes. Go at it to see, because there can be only one. Yep. And the men were going to Chicago, Illinois, and the women was going to Lions, Colorado. Hmm? What? For the Nationals. For the Nationals. Oh, okay. The winner would go to? Oh, yeah, the winner goes. Oh, they go somewhere. Where do they go? Yes. They go Chicago, Illinois from the main. Okay. And then the other is Lions, Colorado. So the women are going to a different spot? Yes. So they're just doing it at the same location? They don't do it at the same location. They don't even do it the same weekend. Oh. Is that how they usually do it? Yes. I'm unaware. Okay. Yes, I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about being unaware but yeah so I arrived there Friday I did make it I didn't know if I was going to make it with my foot and all that but I decided to tough it out so I had to wear my croc to drive all the way down to Rochester and got there Friday and me and Zach worked on the stupid streaming shit which was a complete disaster again in that we had two of the cables that go across the ceiling where they plug into the PC. I think they just got jerked around so many times, they literally just busted. And they were flaky. They were flaky last time. We had to, like, jiggle them and stuff to get them to work. So I just asked Zach, like, do you have any shorter cables? Maybe we can just take the receivers and bring them over to where the PC is and try that. And he did. So he brought the first receiver over, and it fried. It literally bricked. So now anytime you plug this thing in, it will kill the battery that you plug it in. It's got to have some kind of short in it. It's totally fucked up. So we're going good. We're doing really good again. So I went in the back. I got the old Hollyland or whatever. the older one we had. And what we ended up doing is we had the Hollyland on the one side of the room where all the receivers used to be. And then over by the PC, we had the two scoons or whatever the fuck they're called. The ones that go through walls and shit. So we used those. And it worked. I'm like, okay. We'll see how this goes. And then the next day, we had the most completely smooth problem-free stream we've ever fucking had since we've had this stuff there. I'm like, are you kidding me? It's only taken us five years for that. So basically just moving them, separating them completely was the key. Or the location or whatever. Because other than it had a dropout on the playfield cam for the women's final that I just changed the channel and it came back up. we did nine and nine and a half hours one day like seven and a half hours the next day flawless flawless fucking ridiculous like after all this time like that was it we just need to do that now i say don't move anything don't touch anything i don't want to touch anything but you know people will fuck with stuff that well yeah but i just want to say this is i i got to bring No, because this is like the first time we've ever had it work like that. And we were up the whole time, which was fun, running around with the rig. And thanks to all the people who sat in to do announcing. Yes, and people watched. We had rotating. Yeah, people were glued to that TV watching these matches. So for the main. The main. The main. Oh, my. Now, we were getting on Zach the whole time. that, you know, Zach, this is your only chance you're ever going to have to win this. You're literally playing all your games. And to his credit, he did make it all the way to the semifinal. And he lost in seven games to Dante. And I talked to Zach. I guess what he said is, in the end, his issue is beating top 50 players on New Sterns. It's kind of like his, I guess, his kryptonite. Which is funny. If you look at his stats, I believe they're best on moderns. Yeah. Those New York City guys, that's all they play down there. And they just live. Zach was telling me, like, he played Dante on King Kong. And Dante was getting jackpots that Zach just didn't even. And he didn't even know what it was. Like, what the fuck is he in? I have no idea what he's even doing. And Zach owns the game. And Dante loved that King Kong. He's like, awesome, man. Thanks, man. Dante's been knocking on the door for a while. Yes, he has. He, in the final, it was New York City final. Dante versus Sean. Sean Grant and Dante Oliva. And Dante was on fire. I told him if he had a podcast, he could just call it Dante's Inferno. Yes. El Fuego he was. He beat you on 4-0. Yep. The final game, I think, was on King Kong, and Dante had like over a billion. Yep. Just destruction. Yep. In the bronze match, Zach did pull out third. Yes. Against Greg. Yeah, Greg Lapa. Greg killed it. He absolutely killed it. I have to just say, I'm trying to remember what the match was. Yeah, he was going against Paul, Paul Karras, another New York City guy, and he was down 3-1. 3-1. Way down, going into ball three on, what's it called? Jersey Jack game. Wonka. Wonka. Like way behind. Yeah, he was. Came all the way back. Yep. Took that game and then took the next two. Yep. It was amazing. Like, damn! But that's nothing compared to the other side of the aisle. What's the other side of the aisle? You'll see when we get done with this group. So, again, Upstate could not come through with the victory there. Nope. We failed all New York City finals. So congratulations to NYC and Dante. He is the new New York State champion. Yep. So then Sunday, we had the Women's New York Championship, which again, the final ended up being New York City. It was Miriam versus Kate, and Miriam won, and I believe she's second year in a row. So now she is the reigning and defending, or the multi-time champion. But Kate Smith went to seven games in every single round. It was insane. It was insane. Absolutely insane. And she was behind sometimes like 3-1. She was down 3-0. Yeah, that's right, 3-0 in one round. Versus our own Steph. Yep. And came back to win. It was what we had a – did we have a tiebreaker? No, not a tiebreaker. We had a final game on Stars. Yes, we did. Someone was crazy enough to pick that for the final game. Yeah, baby. And Stars, as usual, did not disappoint. No, did not. Although this time didn't. I think Amelia had a ball just go airball over the flipper. Yeah, went over the flipper backwards. Yeah. It was amazing. Yeah, amazing. I don't think that was the word she used for that. No, it was not. And she lost by like 2,000 points or something because of that. Yeah. Yeah, that was rough. That was rough. That's not good. Yeah. Fair enough. so again new york city is the champion so upstate is not looking good so well let's have to redeem ourselves next year when i hear i i've heard from a birdie that going to be uh some other place you supposedly it going to be at level zero my place i keep hearing that it like no one officially said anything but i had new york city guys coming up to me saying like oh i hope it at your place it yeah yeah because they it a shorter drive it like a day trip for them so they don and plus it's it's a good selection of games so look at it both ways not as good as the rochester pinball collective no no no we don't we don't have enough older games here at level zero you guys got me on that definitely uh but then we have the hybrid tournament the the extra thing and what this was is basically a pump and dump that went from what do you guys start thursday yeah it went from thursday and qualifying went to seven o'clock saturday saturday 7 p.m so what you did but it was limited like you could only get 40 entries 40 is the most you could get Yes. So I just bought the 40. Like, sure, I'll do 40. So Friday I played like 20 of my entries. Actually less than that. Less than half. And I was like 12th. And you were doing a thing like top 12. Yep. So the problem came Saturday. I'm streaming all day. So I am not playing in this all day long. And I'm dropped way out of anything. at a certain point and it gets around like five o'clock and i only have like two hours left and i'm like fuck and i got like 20 entries to take it's like fuck i gotta do something so i'm basically running back and forth between streaming moving the rig and playing in this and i had to up the games here's the game selection this is interesting so we had cybernaut embryon yep excalibur i kind of got into Excalibur. Johnny Pneumonic, Led Zeppelin, Nineball, Royal Flush, Star Wars Fall of the Empire, Swords of Fury, and Whodunit. So by that selection, you know, if you know me, you already know I'm happy because there's only two new Sterns and the rest are older, which is what I like. So that's what I focused on. I end up having to play a ton of my own whodunit, my old whodunit, which you can't hit the phone anymore, just rejects every time. So you just have to go to every floor and do all the things. Yeah, I'm going to play with that kick out thing. I'm going to bend that a little. I think it's bent a little too much. It's weird. Yeah. What else did I have fun with trying to get a higher score? Nine ball. Nine ball was set up absurd. Basically, nine ball, the multiplier was set up so you had to get all six targets. yeah baby so you're like constantly at 1x so all i did was just play a shitload of games on it where all i did the first ball was try to get the multiplier up and then i went for the the pool ball targets and ended up with like almost 900k which was a good score on that one so but yeah i'm running back and forth between streaming and trying to get into this thing I eventually get up to like 12th and then I'm playing I think it was Royal Flush as time expires and I had a decent game on that and I got to 11th so I'm 11th in this and if you didn't make the top 12 you could play in B I think, did you have any restrictions? like you had to be ranked a certain no I don't think so, I don't think so at all so I would have probably ended up, I could have played in B I guess yeah you probably could have So the B final, congratulations to George, George Underwood, who won B. And I looked it up. He appears to be a New York City guy also. So if you're counting at home, Upstate still is not one shit in any of these tournaments. Yep. So in the A finals. Let me bring that up again here. So we ended up the final four for A after all the matches. I'm going to just do it quickly because people are probably already bored. The final four ended up being Eric Russell, who was the top qualifier, upstater. Sean Grant, who was New York City. Michael Geis, who is upstater, and me, who is an upstater. The odds were in our favor. The odds were in our favor that upstate might be able to pull this one out, but you never know. So these are pretty funny stories. So the first game, so Eric is picking all the games, which I love. I love qualifying 11th. I didn't get to pick anything, which is perfect. I love that. No pressure on me, et cetera. So he picks Swords of Fury. Yes. Yes. He picks Swords of Fury, and I was getting more into that game, like finally figuring out what the hell I'm supposed to do, which is basically just play endless multiball and try to get the jackpot. It's like Black Knight 2000. Which it had – I think it has a ROM in there, so it's got like a – it's a 1.5 million jackpot. 1.5 million. So it doesn't increase. So, yeah. Yeah. So we played that, and I think I was the only one who got the jackpot. I got the jackpot. Eric got into multiball at least three times, but he couldn't get the – you have to hit the lit drop target, and it's roving back and forth. So he was hitting the targets, but he couldn't hit the one that was actually lit. But he finished second, and then Mike finished third, and Sean finished last on Swords of Fury. So Ronnie's in the lead. so then we go to cybernaut and we start playing that and it breaks basically what happens is a cybernaut there's a gate so if you hit the ramp it can if the gate is like open open onto the back it will go into the shooter lane and you can shoot again the problem with that is number one it puts in more danger because you gotta shoot it up top and survive it coming down also it doesn't increase your ramp value, which in Cybernaut, the only thing you're trying to do is hit the ramp. Yep. That's it. That's all you fucking do. The kind of rule set I can get behind. You literally hit the ramp as many times as you can. Yep. And so it was happening. It happened to Eric. He hit it like four or five times, and it kept doing that. So he was getting screwed. So we got taken off that, and we got put on Embryon. Meanwhile, they were working on Cybernaut while we were playing Embryon. so we play embryon and on ball two sean who is player four he tilts trying to save the ball you know he goes down to millie like and you get that malfunction malfunction call which is fine and then it just sits there ball in the out hole and doesn't do anything and sack end up screwing with it and it was not a trough issue it just the whole game literally locked up. It just locked up hard. So since it was the end of ball two, we ended up, they took the scores down and we played our ball three and had to add the scores. Okay. Which, I mean, you could lose some bonus there. I think there's some carryover, but whatever. There's no super bonus on that game. Okay, so that's what we did. And Eric wins that one. Mike second, me third, and Sean last. so when we get to the last game cybernaut is now repaired so okay we get to play cybernaut again and yeah that's the first my first ball i drained instantly after making a good save and then it drained anyway that's uh and then the second ball i played forever i had the longest ball of cybernaut i've ever had i hit the ramp i don't know 20 times some absurd amount of times and I had like, I don't know, 2.5 million after ball two. And then on ball three, I did nothing. Well, I hit the ramp like once. I ended up close to 3 million, but just under 3 million. But probably one of the best games of Cybernaut I've ever had. Eric, who picked the game, he shit the bed. He had a terrible game on Cybernaut. He ended up last. So at this point, it's not between me and Mike. so and mike he had over a million but then when he drained out on his third ball that gave the victory to me but not to be outdone sean who has finished last the first two games he's like he's he's like no i'm not i'm not going down that way so he played his third ball forever and passed me after he drained with the bonus he had like i don't know almost four million incredibly boring game of cybernauts a terrible game but it sucks so bad but uh it's another one of those um oddballs yeah but it's another one of those victories where i just i had the the big ball at the right time and the math worked out and i won the hybrid side tournament yay and the crowd goes wild yeah we finished at midnight there was no crowd everyone wanted I believe at that point. As we're playing Cybernaut, we're the only game on. Yeah. But I was the only upstate winner. No? No credit there at all? Congratulations. Just doing the stream, announcing, moving the rig with a walking boot on. If you did a golden stream, I'd be more impressed. Limping all over the place. Come on. Hobbling. We call it hobbling. Hobbling. It felt better Sunday than it did Saturday, but yeah. Yeah. Congratulations, Ron. It was great. I got like 30-something points, and I was like third in New York City. Or New York State. New York State ranked. Isn't that great? That's remarkable. Except I looked again, and some of the New York City guys, they already have like seven, eight events. Like we're still in January. I'm not going to be able to compete with that shit like ever. No, no, no. But thanks to everyone who came out. Hey, and this weekend, if you want to come out to the Rochester Pinball Collective, We have Janab 3. Janab. That's named after someone. Janab, yes. It's named after Jeanette and Rob. So we put it Janab. Janab. We'll be having a tournament starting. The door's open at 12. We'll be starting the tournament at 1 o'clock. Come on out and play some pinball. Plus, we're on the TV for all the coverage from the Nats. Yes, we had the press. The press was there. The press. I bring out the press. Yes, we got a full 30-second segment. Yep. What else? Well, speaking of events, there will be no Free Play Florida this year. So they just had it in November, but they just announced they will not be having it this year. Yep. I wonder what happened, because they moved back to the place they were at before. Yeah. I know they got a lot of complaints, I think. Really? I heard it was pretty good. No, no. It was actually the rooms that people were complaining about. Really? It wasn't the venue. Yes, the rooms were really. Really? It's a pretty expensive place. Yeah, that's what they were really disappointed about. Yeah, I don't understand how they could be bad. It's like a big resort place. Like, you know, big. Yeah, they said it was very disappointing. A lot of people brought up. And so I feel bad for, you know, people who are expecting to have that this year. But, you know, there's other places, unfortunately, you can go play. No, there's other places. Fortunately, you can go. Well, unfortunately, because it's sunny and it's November. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Never mind. Yeah. I'd rather be in Florida playing down there than playing in Ohio or, like, you know, that kind of thing. I'd rather be playing where it's warm. Well, hopefully it will be warm when I am at pinball at the beach in, like, two weeks. There you go. I hope so. I put a note here because we mentioned this in the last episode. I was able to procure InDisc Target Match Play tickets. He did it. He did it. The InDisc tournament. They made it so it's part of the VIP package. So if you want to be in that, you've got to get the VIP package. But I... I was able to get in. It sold out in a couple of minutes. It's so hard to get into stuff I want to play. Yep. You're just so popular. When people find out you're going to it, people want to go play more. Oh, when they find out I'm going to it, then that's when it just sells out instantly. It just sells out instantly. Okay. Repairs. Repairs. I got one. I got a weird one. I got a weird one, too. I can do one quickly. Go, go, go, go, go. Basically, after the just rousing success of the streaming that we had at RPC, I decided to move some of my receivers further apart to kind of simulate because I figured that would make it even better. And then I tested with AlienStar because it's like the farthest game away from the equipment. and of course i you know first ball um i got a um machine gunning slingshot because of course the one fucking game i pick like this one game but there's like 30 some games down there i pick one game and it's fucking broken of course yep so yeah switch adjuster and some adjusting and we're all good but i just thought that was funny the one fucking game i pick and it has to have an issue because of course it does of course it does um uh yeah after you left uh uh first day uh after the nationals uh cheetah target one craps out just broke oh so luckily i had a spare uh flight 2000 playfield in the back and we stole the one oh the one yes baby you're the one uh next thing we did i i still am stumped about this one uh stargazer's back on the uh repair of docket again and i'm kind of stumped uh last time we talked about it you know i replaced the cpu board out of the weebly because it was phantom shoot you know phantom switching even with the connector off it's back okay so it's not the cpu it's something in the play field but the problem is it doesn't happen to like six hours after the game is working hmm so i think i'm gonna just going to shotgun all the coils and replace all the diodes i've had to do this one other time on a stern which was cheetah i replaced all the diodes and my problem machine gunning and ghosting switches went away so i think that's gonna be the next step okay but if anybody has any ideas uh the cpu if you pull the switch and the you know for the coils all off it's still showing switch hits in the test weird yeah so it's disconnected from the body and it's still the cpu is going yes i see stuff i have stuff and it's grounded the game is grounded i don't know what the fuck's going on so if anybody's got any ideas email us at slam till podcast at gmail.com that's slam till podcast at gmail.com very good uh i also fixed today uh Wonka went down. One of the opto boards crapped out, so we replaced the opto board, and now it is working. Unknown to anybody, during the tournament of the, what did you call that tournament? What was it called? The hybrid. The hybrid. Whodunit broke when you guys were playing it. You're like, huh? It worked fine when I was. Well, except for the phone rejects, it was working fine. Nope, nope, nope. It's impossible. The drop target for the black target for the roulette, the actual mount broke. Wait, what drop target? For the black roulette. What do you mean the black roulette? You can change the colors, red and black, for roulette. The black dropped completely out of the play field. The black dropped. Next to the ramp. the middle ramp, black is on the right of it. The two screws didn't fall out. They're still there. The metal broke the angle for the mounting. Do you mean like a stand-up target? Yes. Oh. What is it for? Black stand-up. WHO dunnit for the roulette to change the color black to red. So you hit the black target for black. The red target's next to the phone and lane. Well, what difference is that? But when you actually play roulette, it asks you which. No, it doesn't ask you. You're just betting on it. Yeah. Yes. And whatever you're stuck on, whatever color. So you always were stuck on red. I didn't even know that was a thing because usually when you hit it in tournament mode, it's like if you go for it, you lose the first time. Yes, of course. And then if you go for it the second time, you always win. I didn't know there was any targets or any picking of colors or anything. Yes. Really? Yes. And I own the game and I didn't know that. Yep. So that drop and broke, we had to order one. They're not that common anymore. And the stand-up targets, the oblong ones, are getting rarer and rarer. But I ordered it, and it should be here Friday. Yay! What other repairs do we have? None. Everything works great. Everything's been going pretty good. Little stuff. Little, you know, quirky stuff. Broken rubbers, that kind of stuff. But nothing weird except for Stargazer. Oh, I'm almost done with Torpedo Alley. I finally got my plate in. I've replaced the flipper plate. Yeah, hopefully you can clear out the back room at some point. It's still so crowded in there. I know, and I'm still waiting for the decal when we order from Marco next time for Star Trek's ramp. And then we're going to start emptying stuff out, and hopefully the electrician gets to us this week and we'll be able to knock down some walls. Oh, you're going to do some more shit. Yep, we're doing some more shit. We're going to tear down all the walls in the back, except for, of course, the door where you get into the back and then the other door. Oh, so it's just going to be wide open. Wide open. No more offices. No more offices. That makes sense. Yep. That makes sense. Yep, so you can see all of our shit all over the place. Cool. Yes. And then if we have to expand, we can. Mm-hmm. Makes sense. Makes perfect sense. Ready for the ball bag? I am always ready for the ball bag. We got like six of them this time. Wow. Yeah. I love the ball bag. I love the ball bag. I love Lebo Bag. It's a little French today. Interaction with our listeners is always the best. Today we go French with Lebo Bag. Oh, God. Oh. Oh. Oh. My name is Inspector Brousseau. Yes, yes, yes. I'm Inspector Chris. You said it. Inspector Brousseau. Excuse me. Does your dog bat? No. Then it tries to bite him. That is not my dog. Yes, Pink Panther movies. Check them out. They're funny. Yes, they are. And if Ron's seen them, you know, then that's actually a big plus. Oh, yeah. I've seen them. I've seen, I think I've seen all of the, I saw all of the Peter Sellers ones. Yes. And the one after he died where they just used stock footage from, like, cut scenes from other ones that his wife sued over or something like that. And then did you see the. And then the one after that where they had the American version. Yep. Did you see after that? Did you see the... That's the last one I saw. Oh. I think that was... See, I used to remember these. You had Pink Panther, which really was not based around Inspector Clouseau at all. But he was so popular in the movie, they made a spinoff, A Shot in the Dark. Yep. Then there's another one that Peter Sellers isn't even in, which I can't remember the title of. That was like in the late 60s. And Robert Blakeman Edwards did it, so it's like official. But I can't remember the title of that one. Then there was Return of the Pink Panther. Then Pink Panther Strikes Again, my personal favorite. And then was it Revenge of the Pink Panther? And then it was Trail of the Pink Panther is the one with the stock footage. And then I think Curse of the Pink Panther is the one with the American guy. Something like that. Someone can correct me, but yes. It's actually Pink Panther, The Pink Think, A Shot in the Dark, Wait, what's the pink think? That's one of the... No, it ain't. You explain that one to me. No. I'm reading the actual list from Wikipedia. Yeah, go into that movie and tell me how that's a Pink Panther movie. Who's in it? Yes, folks, this has nothing to do with pinball. Although there was a Pink Panther pinball machine by Gottlieb. Yes, there was. There was. Okay, that was a fakey. Sorry. So Pink Panther shot in the dark, returned to Pink Panther, Pink Panther Strikes Again Revenge of the Pink Panther Trail of the Pink Panther Son of the Pink Panther The Pink Panther with Steve Martin and Pink Panther 2 with Steve Martin There was no Curse of the Pink Panther? Nope, no Curse There's one that's not Peter Sellers but that is still by Robert Blakeman Edwards but I don't remember the title Let me see what the Pink Think is The Pink There's so many things we could say about I think that would be that. Yeah. All right. This first email here is from Robert. Hi, Robert. You'll love the subject line. It's dialed in. Yes, baby. But, Rod, here's a question for the podcast. I frequently think about adding a top-tier classic stern to my collection. Yes? Stars, 8-Ball Deluxe. That's actually a belly. Meteor, et cetera. However. How much money do you got? However. No, no, hold on. However, I'm worried I'd grow bored of the machine. without ramps, cool mechs, deep rule sets, etc. Won't I lose interest? Explain to me how I'm wrong. You're totally wrong. You told me to tell you how to explain. It depends on what you're into. Yes. Some people are just going to be the old games, like, yeah, no. Nope, they're not fun. They're stodgy. They're tired. Like, for someone like me. Who's old. Not just that. I would rather play the super hard game that kicks my ass over and over and just play game after game after game as opposed to playing one game for 30 minutes. One long game of dialed in. I feel like I'm battling the machine. But it's... I don't know. I don't think you could lose interest in stars. It depends how addictive your personality is. Yes. If you play some stars and just try to light all the stars, try to light all the stars and get the special, or just pick little goals and fail at them over and over and see what happens in your brain. And then the one time you do it, you're all giddy. Yeah. If that starts clicking in your brain, like, oh, shit, this game. Fuck this game. I'm going to – this is the game. Start again. I'm selling it. Start again. Start again. Start again. Especially if you're playing with someone else, like me and my dad play. It's the game we always finish with, the stars. Meteor is great because it's just great. I mean, come on, drop targets, spinner, great sound, trying to get all the rockets or trying to light the spinner max value. It's awesome. But, again, it's just a whole style of play if you're not into it, and there's a lot of people that aren't into older games. I mean, I know when I got into pinball, there was tons of the WPC snobs, Williams snobs, 90s Williams games are the greatest thing ever, and everything else is inferior. Yep. And because of that, I was able to get lots of old Stern games much cheaper than people can get them now. Yeah So you can fail with Stars and you can fail with Meteor And you mentioned 8 Deluxe You can fail with that either Nope you can That another great valley But it all depends. I would say Stars, try that just because it can piss you off, and maybe you're the kind of player that likes to get pissed off like me. If not, if you're a player that needs to be coddled, then, yeah, the games might not be good for you. No, I would definitely go to a place. just don't even think about new game if there's 20 000 new games there and there's only five or six classics that you're thinking about buying play those only yeah and if you're not happy after that day of playing those only and going for goals then you know your answer already if you said wow this is a challenge and i enjoyed it and i felt good when i got one of the goals that i made that's the ticket but it's like pinballs differ for everybody so that's why there's a lot of It may not be for you, but I can guarantee you that. A rescue 911 or a wipeout could be in your future. Oh, God. But we're trying to give you the best selection of older games, at least in our opinion. Yes. And a lot of other people are now following our lead. And EMs, don't forget about them, unless they just completely scare you, as they do me, when it comes to maintenance and stuff. But there are tons of good EMs out there. Basically, anything Zach likes. Our Zach. I'm not too sure about that. Except Doutoro. I know Doutoro. Oh, I liked Doutoro. And it's not the Doutoro you're thinking of, folks. No, I know it's not. I know. Doutoro, the other one. He's got games I've just never seen, and I play him like, damn, this isn't bad. Yeah. He just, yeah. I will say one thing. I do like his newest game that he got at his house. And what's that? Steve Ritchie's second game or third game? What's his first Williams game? oh god you like the um um the wide body yeah stellar wars yeah stellar wars he got that like last year i know but he finally got it all working right you know he said he had to tweak it a little bit you know so i enjoyed it when i first finally played it but thanks rob thank you rob let's see uh next we have uh-oh we're getting yelled at again of course we are by mr byers oh robert buyers how come i never get a top rope pinball shout out at the end okay write it down our fucking group buddy write it down he needs we need to do the top rope you're always doing wrestling impression fail okay what do you know brother all right i'll see uh anyway here's an idea i just thought about for stern and actually i i like this idea yeah so yes so uh try to do Wait a minute, try to do a rock voice. I don't really do the rock, but... Let me be rock! Let me be rock! Finally, the Rob has come up with a great idea! There he goes. Not good enough. I even did the tongue thing. He says, Stern could take the Star Wars toppers. Let's review this for our audience here. Right now, the original, the original, the 2000, what, 16? 17. 17 Star Wars has the R2-D2 topper, and the new Star Wars has the C-3PO topper. But you can use the C-3PO topper. You can use the C-3PO topper on the older one. Either game, yes. But what Rob is saying here, Stunner could take the Star Wars toppers to the next level. use insider connect in and code to link any two star wars machines together on location and if you have the r2d2 topper on one and the c3po topper on the other they interact and they can say all the movie quotes that you want why are you going that way what makes you think those settlements over there go that way you'll be malfunctioning within a day you neosided scrap pile. Yeah, I agree. 100%. While both games are in a track mode, you can have R2-D2 and C-3PO turn towards each other and occasionally have conversations. Yep. Either direct from a movie scene or just program some funny banter back and forth about which machine is better. You don't know which paintball he's playing. How do you know this? Exactly. If you smell what the Rob is cooking. I love that idea. And that just seems like it would be easy. They already have the rights to all the clips and shit. Exactly. So that really should be not that hard. I would think that would not be that hard. Make it so, number one. Make it so, number one, with a number two. Yes. And to the Stern employees who listen, which I know they're out there. Oh, they're out there. Make it happen. I'll help you test. I have a Star Wars. I can do the R2-D2 part. side you let them to donate the other pieces actually you guys have both of them you at rpc they could beta test this shit for you guys they literally have both we don't we don't have the r2 d2 uh topper uh you need to send them an r2d2 topper to test with and a 3po and a c3po topper they need both but i'm sure they will test these for you yep okay um oh god the next one the subject line is penis so oh my it's from john cosson dr john hi dr john yeah did you check out my penis just a quick pick of it because you're talking about games of penises yes you know just a quick pick of another penis on a pinball machine this time frontier yeah i saw thanks to kate martin for the pick it's basically a frontier that on on the play field of frontier there's a dude with jeans and no shirt. And he's got a knife and he's going after the bear. The bear, whatever. Well, they've removed his pants entirely in this artwork and just have literally his dick hanging out. Yes, he's hung pretty hard. Yes, so, yeah. So I guess that is a game with a dick on it. Even if that's not a factory-authorized dick. That's not a factory-authorized dick. That is not a factory-authorized dick. I'm sorry. God. Oh, Jesus Christ. I saw that pick, and I was like, whoa. Whoa, that's got to be New York City somewhere. Of course it is. Of course it is. All right. Next one. Next. It's from Matt. Hey, Matt. Uh-oh, we got to behave. This is a new listener. New listener. Hello, Matt. Ball bag. Welcome to Masterpiece Slam. To your masterpiece. Matt says, hello, Ron and Bruce. Hello. Hello. Just wanted to say I'm a new listener, big fan of the show. I listened to a lot of Silver Bowl Chronicles before and found it very insightful. Did you know that Silver Bowl Chronicles is the other podcast that I'm on? And it can't be found on the Pinball Network because it doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't exist anymore. Oh, yes. And finally, I made the jump over to Slam Tilt. So he starts the Silver Bowl Chronicles, Bruce, as much as you bash it. It was a gateway drug. Gateway drug, yes. Because I mentioned us down there. Now he's really hooked on crack. Now he's hooked on crack. The level of on-the-batch dumb foolery on your show is amazing and hilarious. From the profanity to the singing, you two are an entertaining duo. I appreciate the constructive criticism of manufacturers and games and not holding back when an idea is just plain stupid or justified praise when games go above and beyond. Or a cash grab. I started operating games casually on the side about four years ago, starting with a high speed at a brewery. I now route seven pinball machines between two locations with some friends and really enjoy the tech side of things. Very nice. So when I found out you had a repair section of your podcast, I really appreciated it. most pinball podcasts just focus on rumors and news and don't get into the nitty-gritty of what it takes to keep machines going strong and playing well yes uh since you are both experienced on the tech side of things well more bruce than me a question i have is when you hit a roadblock and can't fix something on a game how much does it occupy your mind um so you mean i make it so it's not occupying my mind and then i come back to it and i feel refreshed i just say fuck this game i'll walk away from it and then literally i'll look at it another week and go it depends what it is if it's one of my i'm gonna get this spinner to spin well two hours later i am not stopping till i get the spinner to spin well that's not a good personality trait or maybe it is a good one i don't know but yeah do you dig and dig until it's resolved i will tend to try to do that I do it in the first hour, but after that, I will just put it off. I will do it until I get to a point and I look at my clock, I look at the time and it's like 1 in the morning. Like, yeah, I probably should have stopped a while ago. Yeah, I just stopped. Do you dig until it's resolved or get to it over time? I find that when I run into a problem, it can be mentally time-consuming. But the process of ordering parts and waiting has taught me a lot of patience. That's true. Yes. Especially if you find what the issue is. Like, I need this. Like, oh, shit, I don't have it. I'm going to have to order it. Okay. Yep. Well, I'm going to have to wait a while. We're done. Yep. And in my case, like, I like to wait on orders until I have more stuff. I'm not like RPC. You guys probably could have all kinds of shit you need to order, like, all the time. Because you have so many games. Yep. I found the Pinbear. Pinbear? Pinbear? That sounds like a new product. The Pinbear! I found the Pinball Repair Group on Facebook to be an amazing resource. Shout out to knowledge board repair and techs like Chris Hibbler and Jerry Klaus. Ah, yes, thanks. Thanks to Chris Hibbler, I have a flap on my getaway up-down ramp. I'm saying that. It doesn't say that name. And thanks to Chris Hibbler, I was actually able to play crawl. Otherwise, I would not have been able to play it. Because when the guy brought it to Expo, it lasted for like an hour and broke. And luckily, Chris was in the booth next to him. He was in the booth next to him, and he had to keep coming over and fix it because it kept breaking. But thanks to him, I got to play Crawl and realize why they didn't make many of them because it kind of sucked. If you have time, we always have time. Another question I'd be interested to know is, who taught you a lot of what you know from the tech repair side? Let's see. Or was it mostly trial and error through online learning? Thanks again, guys. Keep the good times going. Online learning. We had RGP. We had RGP, and we had the This Old Pinball videos. And the guide, the This Old Pinball guide. Yep. That, with the wiki, all that didn't exist yet. Oh, none of that was around. So that's how I learned. That's how I learned. So I did it, plus trial and error. Trial and error, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, doing things like, you know, I brought this story up before. Like, my black night, it immediately had issues. One of the lights not working. and I was able to trace it to find it was actually an issue with the wiring as in the wiring was shaped and if you kind of jiggled it or just squeezed it it would come back so it's like oh I got to replace the wire so I replaced it with solid core wire which you wouldn't do you would replace with stranded wire but I didn't know I was just like wow this wire is way stiffer than the wire that's in here and it's still in there it's a reminder of my learning curve it's that That wire is still in there, and that light still works now thanks to that incorrect wire. To that big stiffy in his cabinet. Oh, God. Thanks again, guys. Keep the good times going. Oh, I already said that. Let's see. Oh, Matt says, routed games are T2. That's always a good one. That's always popular. I think that thing will be popular forever. Also, the next one, World Cup soccer. Yep, doggie soccer is awesome. Jurassic Park Pro, very good. Okay. Triple Action. It's an EM, I believe. Yes, it is. So that's one location. So they got some good stuff there. Wait a minute. The next location, they have a Big Hurt. Well, what's for this other location? Poor Big Hurt. Earth Shaker. Cyclone. We did try routing a Night Moves cocktail, but it didn't make any money. And people always move the chair somewhere else. That I could totally see. Totally see. Let's see. We just replaced Silver Slugger for T2, which was actually an awesome game, and it's a very similar play feel. Silver Slugger, it's got, like, it's a really good play feel. But the whole software is just, isn't it the one where everything's a mystery? Yes. It's like, damn it, if it just had better rules, this game would really be good. Damn you, Gottlieb. Gottlieb! Okay. Oh, boy. The next email we have is from Glenn. And the subject line is making me worried. New Slam Tilt song. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Ron and Bruce. Okay. So I kind of cheated. I am able to upload songs into Logic and then, that must be a program, and remove vocals. Since I'm too busy to record anything from scratch, but I also wanted to do this too badly, I bent my own rules for this parody. Anyways, here you go. Have a great rest of the week, Glenn. Are you ready to hear this slam-tilt song? I don't know. It's a parody, so I'm not too... You were singing it earlier without realizing it. Really? Yes. I touch myself. No, no. I watch it. That was the last episode. Okay, you ready? Yes. Here we go. If you're really into pinball and you need something to hear, There's so many boring podcasts that will gush blood out your ears. Because what they got ain't going to quit. We need more jokes of fucks and dicks. On the Slant Tilt Podcast. On the Slant Tilt Podcast. Dear me, what are those things coming out of her nose? Ron and Bruce. Oh, shit. There goes the damage. That's fucking awesome. That's going to go in the arsenal right there. Oh, fuck yeah. That'll be on one of our anniversary episodes. Just play that. On the Spaceballs. Thank you, Glenn. Watch out. Watch out. Spaceballs. You've got to put that at the end of this one. No, we just played it already. That makes no sense. I need to hear it more and more every second. You need to hear it more than once. You're going to force me to do more editing? Space balls. Slam tilt. All right, I'll make it the stinger just for you. Okay. Okay. Oh, shit. There goes the planet. Oh, shit. There goes the planet. This one requires you to get to it because there's a link. Oh. And we just got this one. Yeah, people are getting upset that you have not, you've been slacking. We haven't had the would we or would we not buy that? We haven't had guest on. I think that's all of our, who wants to join us? Oh, God. That's the thing. I'm going to bring this up again because we do have we got to get John on Dr. John we need to get on but who else wants to join us at the Slam Tilt Podcast yeah we prefer listeners as opposed to industry people yeah we do because you get more realistic people who actually more realistic because the other people are actually not they're holograms it's easier when people already know your gimmick they're not going to look at you like you're crazy if you're doing like Beavis and Butthead voices and shit yeah yeah yeah hold on i'm getting to it just waiting for the intranet the intranet no that would be your internal internet and i'm on my internal network come on so i'm on the intranet this is a would you or would we or would we not buy that and usually with bruce it's ebay listings yeah i looked today i didn't see anything good but actually there there's a there's a cheetah on ebay for forty three hundred dollars that's got more wear than zax does oh okay yeah i cannot get Well, this one, okay, well, I'll tell you what it is. Basically, because you've seen this game before. You know what this is. It's being sold by Prince Arcades. There's a video, too. So they got lots of pictures and a video. And, wow, they have pictures inside the game and everything. Good job. So at least they did that. Well, it's got a receipt and shit, too. So it definitely has the documentation you would want. You would want that. And see more on Facebook. I am on Facebook. Okay. It won't load now. All those baseballs. Hold on. I want to make sure I don't. Watch out. Yeah, watch out. I want to make sure I don't close it wrong. I saw it. I know it. And it's sold already. Oh, it's sold already. And you knew what it was. All right, hold on. I knew exactly as soon as I saw it. Of course you do. So it's a listing for a meteor, but it's a very special meteor. It's only one of four. One of four? They made more than one of these? Yes. Okay. So this is a meteor that was limited edition built for the 1980 Olympics in Lake Placid. Yep. One of four made. Yep. And two galaxies were made also the same way, too. They said they acquired it from the original family and purchased it from Stern, directly from Stern, in 1982. So they were asking $4,950. $4,950. Yep. I mean, normally I'd say no way, but it's 104. It's 104. I kind of think it's unique and everything, but it's still Meteor. And it's great. It's still Meteor. It basically has no art for the most part. It's just white because it's the Winter Olympics. Get it? It's got just the regular back glass, but the whole cabin, it's white. Playfield's white. um i mean it looks good it's got the receipt from they bought it from stern electronics i wonder if it's got a price on there 250 250 dollars played in paid in full check number 155 wow electronics wow 250 bucks yeah that was near the end of stern too yes it was they probably just getting rid of it like yeah 250 taken it was sold to an employee so oh it was okay yeah it says on there it says on the receipt also um would you have bought this uh if see i already have two meteors that's true and i already have a meteor yeah but if you didn't have a meteor and you wanted a special one yes especially if you were like in the olympics or if you have some tie-in to like like in our area it would probably be bigger because like placid that thing that was a very big thing here because it's right by us and you know and it's it's the whole miracle on ice too all that happened in the 1980 olympics so yeah um yeah if i was into that stuff even as just a incredibly high price that is it's one of four yeah and it's totally legit i mean we've seen these before so yep in the right circumstances yes yeah i would normally you wouldn't hear that from us it's something like that expensive but yeah yeah nope i would have definitely jumped in on it but i already have two you know i've got to work on them i already have two you know yeah and mine have art on them they're not just mine mine were only 600 or 700 for the two that's true oh boy all right um i think that's it that's all i got that's the ball bag has been uh empty I have now emptied our ball bag so this has been episode 263 of the Slamtail Podcast check out our website SlamtailPodcast.com SlamtailPodcast.com I almost said that wrong you can email us at SlamtailPodcast at gmail.com you can also check out if you want to see any of the action that occurred from the Nationals you know the new york state nationals the state state championships whatever the hell it's called um you could check that out at um what is it roc pinball on twitch and i don't know if zach actually uploaded any of the videos to your youtube channel yet so don't know yet you might want to inquire with him but you you have the same access to him as i oh come on i don't But it'll be on Twitch. Actually, don't they go away after two weeks, though? It might already be gone. It might already be gone. So hopefully he uploaded it. So, yes. Hi to everyone in our cluster, Vuck. Including Robert. Including Top Rope Pinball. Yeah! Yeah, brother! Yeah, that's right, dude! Hey, I want to say happy birthday to Mr. Teolis today. It's Teolis' birthday. And also to this twin, Pinsipedi. That guy's a fucking asshole. I know he's an asshole, but we got, you know, you know, I always like to say, I haven't heard anything from Pinside Petey in a while and it's good. No, I'm always out there somewhere. Wow. Pretty good impersonation, Bruce. Thank you. I think it's you. It is me. I've done this all the time. Yes. Okay. I am Pinside Petey. Oh, Jesus Christ. Hey, Michael, shut the fuck up. You're absolutely terrible. God, I hate you. yeah i'd suck my nut oh geez all right uh yes um i don't know if i could follow that in any way uh so i i think we're done here okay we're done here until next time say goodbye bruce goodbye pinball rebel Hold my mind, hold my mind Can you boogie, can you slide? Hold my mind, hold my mind You can boogie if you try Hold my mind, hold my mind It's guaranteed to keep you alive Meteor Level Zero Clusterfuck George D.K. Timballs Bruce Sissons Tournament Talk Carholer Cheetah Xanadu Cash Grab ELO Ball Pay What You Buy It Game You Love Game You Hate Tournament Talk People Princess Sir Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. It's funny, every time I say that, I wave. As I'm saying goodbye. Like, why? Why am I doing that? What do you think, you're on fucking TV or something? Yeah, I don't understand. I don't understand. Cause what they got ain't gonna quit We need more jokes of fucks and dicks On the Slant Tilt On the Slant Tilt On the Slant Tilt Dear me, what are those things coming out of her nose? Ron and Bruce Oh shit, there goes the planet