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The Pinball Show Ep 127 BONUS: Sewie And Me

Pinball Show Patreon Feed·podcast_episode·20m 20s·analyzed·May 9, 2023
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TL;DR

Hosts slam Whirlwind Total Chaos 2.0's chaotic, incoherent theme design despite solid hardware specs.

Summary

Hosts Zach Sharpe and Dennis critically discuss the newly announced Whirlwind Total Chaos 2.0 conversion kit by Pedretti Gaming, priced at $2,500 USD. While praising the technical components (FAST System, Pinsound XL, new LCD display, eight new modes), they are deeply disappointed by the creative direction, which abandons Whirlwind's storm-chasing theme in favor of surreal, incoherent aesthetics featuring a sewage monster named Suey, scarecrows, zombies, donuts, and references to Mac and Me and Conker's Bad Fur Day. They argue the kit lacks a unifying creative vision and disrespects the original game's serious tornado theme.

Key Claims

  • Whirlwind Total Chaos 2.0 kit costs $2,500 USD (plus VAT)

    high confidence · Zach Sharpe states this explicitly; pricing shown on CoinTaker with $500 deposit + $1,300 balance due

  • Kit includes FAST System 11 MPU, Pinsound XL, 14-inch LCD HD display, new speakers, custom side blades, and Translight

    high confidence · Zach directly lists these specifications

  • Mark Silk did voice work for the kit (called out calls, voices)

    medium confidence · Zach: 'I think Mark Silk did that again'; Mark Silk is known for voice work on pinball and also voiced chickens in Chicken Run film

  • The kit includes eight playable modes with themes like '5G Zombies,' 'Acid Plants,' 'Area 51,' 'Scarebros,' 'Donado' (donut tornado), and others

    high confidence · Zach lists all mode names from the announcement

  • The Art51 mode features a character drawn like Mac from Mac and Me

    high confidence · Zach: 'If you look at the mode Area 51, son of a bitches, they stole the depiction of the alien Mac. Remember from Mac and Me? The Mac is in there. It's drawn just like Mac.'

  • Installation of Whirlwind Total Chaos is complex and less enjoyable than desired, similar to complaints about Funhouse Rodeo Nightmare installation

    medium confidence · Dennis: 'the installation isn't that fun... There's not really a good way they can help that with everything... that's always just going to be unfortunate'

  • The original Whirlwind back glass has an ugly design that Dennis disliked

    high confidence · Dennis: 'one thing on Whirlwind that I hate, the original Whirlwind, is that ugly ass back glass with those characters. I hated the looks of those. So they lean in it here'

  • Pedretti Gaming is working with Pinball Brothers on future projects

    medium confidence · Zach: 'they're going to be a powerhouse with Pinball Brothers and stuff like that'

Notable Quotes

  • “This place has everything. Glass, steam, bear traps, and just when you think the fun is over, knock, knock, who's there? It's Black George Washington. All that in a party room filled with human bath mats.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 3:18 — SNL Stefan sketch parody capturing the absurdist chaos of the kit's aesthetic

  • “They stole Mac. Run, chicken, run. The reason they did this is because Mark Silk voiced the chickens in that film, Chicken Run.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 4:30 — Identifies apparent licensing/reference decisions in the kit, suggesting incoherent creative vision

  • “This is Pony Factory fucking terrible. No, no, oh my God.”

    Dennis@ 5:59 — Initial visceral negative reaction; compares kit negatively to intentionally themed Punny Factory

  • “It's like they wanted to do an original theme, and so they just did, and then they took one of the greatest System 11s and used it as a platform. Bastardized Whirlwind in the process.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 8:13 — Summarizes the fundamental problem: misuse of a classic game as a platform for unrelated content

  • “I am the number one demographic for this type of product. The fucking number one, Dennis, because I love Whirlwind. I have a fully restored Whirlwind. I love it so much.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 9:01 — Establishes Zach's credibility as the exact target audience for this kit, making his criticism more damning

  • “You're in Indiana, I'm in Kansas, we take our tornadoes very seriously. This has not shown respect to our culture, to our tornado culture. It's the one thing we have all I have in Kansas is Wizard of Oz, and you're just pooping all over it.”

    Dennis@ 17:21 — Frames the issue as disrespectful to genuine regional tornado culture, not just aesthetic criticism

Entities

Pedretti GamingcompanyWhirlwind Total Chaos 2.0productZach SharpepersonDennispersonMark SilkpersonWhirlwindgameFAST SystemproductPinsound XLproductFunhouse Rodeo Nightmareproduct

Signals

  • ?

    product_strategy: Pedretti Gaming launching Whirlwind Total Chaos 2.0 at $2,500 price point as part of broader conversion kit strategy; signals market confidence in upgrade kits but also raises concerns about creative oversight.

    high · Price point disclosed; kit announced with full feature list; comparison to Funhouse Rodeo Nightmare pricing

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Fundamental disconnect between original Whirlwind's storm-chasing theme and Total Chaos's surreal, incoherent aesthetic; hosts argue there is no unifying creative vision guiding mode/character design decisions.

    high · Extensive detailed critique of how scarecrows, zombies, donuts, sewage monsters, and Mac and Me references do not cohere; Dennis and Zach repeatedly state the kit is 'not Whirlwind'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts express they were looking forward to this kit as believers in conversion kit concept and Whirlwind fans, but are now deeply disappointed by execution.

    high · Zach: 'I was looking forward to this. This sucks.' Dennis: 'This fucking sucks, man. I was looking forward to this.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts signal intent to implement 'Razzie's version' of Pinball Awards alongside traditional Pinball Awards, indicating growing volume and diversity of pinball content requiring critical evaluation.

    medium · Zach: 'We're going to stop doing the Pinball Awards and we're going to do a Razzie's version... There's so much content now.'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Multiple unlicensed or questionable IP references in kit (Mac and Me, Conker's Bad Fur Day, possible Scarecrow/Batman reference, Muppets piggies question) raise questions about creative director awareness of licensing issues.

Topics

Whirlwind Total Chaos 2.0 conversion kit design and themingprimaryPinball conversion kits and 2.0 upgrades as product categoryprimaryCreative direction and artistic coherence in pinball game designprimaryLicensing and IP references in pinball conversionssecondaryPedretti Gaming's business strategy and quality controlsecondaryHardware components (FAST, Pinsound) in modern pinball upgradessecondaryInstallation complexity of conversion kitsmentionedRegional tornado culture and respect for game themesmentioned

Sentiment

negative(-0.85)— Hosts are deeply disappointed and critical of the creative execution of Whirlwind Total Chaos despite respecting Pedretti Gaming's technical implementation and hardware choices. Criticism is focused, passionate, and grounded in genuine fandom for the original Whirlwind. They use humor and hyperbole to express frustration but maintain respect for the company and acknowledge uncertainty about actual gameplay quality.

Transcript

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0:00
Thanks again for the ongoing support as a Pinball Show Club member. Enjoy this exclusive TPS content, and make sure to visit the Pinball Show Club Discord to chat about the bonus material. So let's continue, Dennis. We know that Pedretti Gaming comes out with Whirlwind Total Chaos 2.0. You know what? Right there. I'm going to give them some credit. I'm fine with the name, Total Chaos. I think the name is very accurate given what they decided to do. Unfortunately, yes. $2,500
0:31
US for this kit. A little bit more, I think, than I think the price increased a little bit more than Funhaus Rodeo Nightmare. We don't know how much it is. My conversion is one thing. NAPS is another. CoinTaker right now it's a $500 deposit but then it says balance dues $1,300 which is only $1,800. I don't know if that's not including shipping but I can't think shipping is going to cost $600. I don't know. So contact a dealer or them direct for the actual pricing because I'm confused on that.
1:03
Plus VAT. I don't know what VAT is. That's value-added tax. That wouldn't apply to the U.S. Okay. I thought it was like a VAT of the sewer goo guy. We'll get to that. So with this kit, you get new graphics and animation, new music, sound effects, voices, call-outs. I think Mark Silk did that again. New modes, multi-balls, wizard modes, Dennis. You get a speaker panel that is wood with artwork. You get a new 14-inch LCD HD display, new high-quality speakers. My favorite board system, that Fast system. Love you, Fast. Fast System 11 MPU.
1:34
You get a Pinsound XL. I freaking love Pinsound. This all sounds great. Custom side blades, custom Translight. Oh, did they have a typo? Customized packaging that nobody cares about. Okay. So you get that. You get, that's a lot of stuff. And then on top of that, listener, get this. With total chaos, there's a top hat wearing gopher with wooden pistols. A booger looking monster that's composed of actual shit and piss, Dennis.

Rick at Planetary Pinball is licensing/approving the Whirlwind Total Chaos conversion

medium confidence · Zach: 'I question why rick at planetary pinball is even approving this stuff like i get the money is there'

“My reaction to the choices made on this theming is I hope to not see another 2.0 kit from them. They're fucking it up.”

Dennis@ 16:16 — Summary verdict: not just disappointment but concern about Pedretti's future kit design decisions

  • “Total Chaos, though, is completely apt. They properly named this kit. Total shit show.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 16:07 — Acknowledges the kit name accurately captures the chaotic, incoherent design

  • “But the theme was about a serious weather event and you put in scarecrows because I guess you thought farms and tornadoes destroy farms... Scarecrows could work. Those could be characters, but they're shitty in this game.”

    Dennis@ 17:25 — Articulates that elements COULD theoretically fit a storm theme, but execution is poor

  • “I'm sad not only because this is a theme that I love, not only an idea in general that I love that the industry is looking into, but I have a lot of respect for Pedretti Gaming... but when it comes to the creativity aspect of this, it's just it missed the mark so poorly.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 18:28 — Balances criticism with respect for the company while emphasizing creative failure is the core issue

    • Planetary Pinball
    company
    Rickperson
    Pinball Brotherscompany
    Punny Factorygame
    Conker's Bad Fur Dayproduct
    Mac and Meproduct
    Chicken Runproduct
    Cactus Canyon Continuedproduct
    Wizard of Ozproduct
    The Pinball Showorganization
    CoinTakercompany

    medium · Zach questions Mac and Me theft; Dennis questions if Muppets/Batman permissions exist; scarecrow may reference DC villain

  • ?

    product_concern: Installation issues persist across Pedretti conversion kits (Funhouse Rodeo Nightmare, now Total Chaos); hosts note there is no good solution to wiring/board complexity.

    medium · Dennis: 'the installation isn't that fun... There's not really a good way they can help that with everything'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Hosts unable to evaluate actual mode gameplay/rules quality since kit just announced; worried modes may disappoint similar to Funhouse Rodeo Nightmare's weak mode design.

    medium · Dennis: 'There's a couple complaints on the whole Funhouse Rudy's Nightmare thing... the extra modes really weren't that great. I fear this is going to be similar.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Hosts worry about precedent: if Whirlwind Total Chaos succeeds despite weak theming, Pedretti may apply similar chaotic approach to other classic conversions (Taxi, Diner), wholesale replacement of original themes with incoherent content.

    medium · Zach: 'what would happen with like if this is this and this does well enough like what have they what would they have done to taxi... what would they have done to diner'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Hosts identify absence of clear creative director/oversight on Whirlwind Total Chaos; question whether Pedretti Gaming has adequate creative leadership for design decisions.

    medium · Zach: 'They need a creative director so bad' and Dennis echo agreement

  • $

    market_signal: Whirlwind Total Chaos represents expansion of conversion kit market; technical specs and price point suggest market acceptance, but creative/thematic quality becomes differentiator.

    medium · Zach notes price makes sense vs P3 module; entire ecosystem of upgrade components (FAST, Pinsound, custom side blades, LCD) now standard for conversion kits

  • ?

    collector_signal: Zach, as Whirlwind owner and collector, faces dilemma: technical upgrades are desirable but thematic bastardization of beloved game creates reluctance to purchase/install.

    high · Zach: 'I am the number one demographic for this type of product... I love everything [about the kit]. Everything makes sense on this except for the entire presentation.'

  • ?

    business_signal: Zach questions approval chain: Rick at Planetary Pinball (licensor?) approving creative direction despite poor theming; suggests financial incentive overrides creative vetting.

    low · Zach: 'I question why rick at planetary pinball is even approving this stuff like i get the money is there but the sanctity of a license at some point has to amount to something'

    • 2:08
    I joke you not, his name is Suey. I cannot make this up referring to sewage or a sewer system. He's made of shit and piss. There's pigs with 80s Venetian blind sunglasses and turquoise mohawks. I'm not tripping balls on mushrooms. You are. Not only do they have the Eye of Providence here in this package, but the Eye of Providence, this one, has four jet thrusters under it. It's got donuts, chickens, crabs, aliens, a nuclear blob monster named simply Nick, creepy-ass scarecrows, a granny wearing hair rollers, and that's just in the back glass.
    2:47
    I feel like, do you ever see the SNL skit, Stefan? Yeah. where he's talking about. I wish I had a good stuff on the press. It's just like, and it's just like, it's got, Greg's wearing sunglasses. That's right. Let me see about you. Yeah. Venetian blind sunglasses, turquoise mohawks. Not only the eye of Providence. New York's hottest club is Slash. This place has everything. Glass, steam, bear traps, and just when you think the fun is over,
    3:18
    knock, knock, who's there? It's Black George Washington. All that in a party room filled with human bath mats. What is a human bath mat? It's that thing of when, like, midgets have dreadlocks and they lay face down on the floor. Oh, my gosh. That's what this feels like to me. There are eight ways to fix the van.
    3:49
    So those are the new modes. van fixing mode. Which include 5G zombies. There's acid plants. There's Area 51. Which really irks me. Because you've been researching all these real life aliens. Right? First off, can we not have a game that doesn't include aliens? But more importantly, if you look at the mode Area 51, son of a bitches, they stole the depiction of the alien Mac. Remember from Mac and Me?
    4:20
    Mac and me? The Mac is in there. It's drawn just like Mac. He's in one of the alien ships. I'm like, you bastards. They stole Mac. Run, chicken, run. The reason they did this is because Mark Silk voiced the chickens in that film, Chicken Run. The scary boys with a Zed. I hate when people do that. I like how you said Zed, though, instead of Z. Because I wanted to make it stupid as well.
    4:50
    The piggies, the piggies, Bermuda Crab and Nuke Nick. Multi include I embarrassed to even say the Donado So like a tornado but with donuts in it Donado. And then the other multivolves just armor the house. They gave no context to that one. Wizard mode include, oh no, here he is again.
    5:23
    Suey versus nannies. So that's that pile of shit and piss. literally shit and piss versus grandmas uh defeat the storm holy shit an appropriately titled mode slash wizard mode in this kit defeat the storm how about they know you had it in you and then the third one they just they say there are three but they don't list the third one all right so that's what you get listener with this package dennis what are your thoughts oh my
    5:54
    God. This is terrible. This is Pony Factory fucking terrible. No. Oh, my God. Pony Factory has a theme and sticks with it. That is true. It does. It's like you might not like the theme that it's about putting puns together. Oh, I see what you did there. Sorry. Let me take a drink here. Oh, my God.
    6:24
    I'm wiping tears at this point. So it's about, I mean, the concept is, you know, you're assembling these puns. That's from the ground up. That's what it is. Whirlwind was never about piss monsters and grannies and fucking donut sack. Scare bros. I mean, half these things maybe would actually make sense in Honey Factory. The artwork looks the same. oh but this the whole i i get that they're like okay we got to this is whirlwind the kitchen sink
    7:00
    this is why i get a little judgmental about people that do a lot of drugs because because they think it makes them creative and in a way it's true but and then you get this and okay it plays to the name total chaos but whirlwind was about storm chasing and this you watch the trailer and by By the way, I dislike this trailer more than any recent trailer I've seen. Not that this is Final Tap bad, though. At least this one shows the game. So, okay. All right, that's fair. That's fair.
    7:30
    This one at least shows the game. We're going to stop doing the Pinball Awards and we're going to do a Razzie's version. We just got to. There's so much content now. It's just, it's not Whirlwind anymore, Zach. No, it's not even close. That's the fundamental issue with it. It's not Whirlwind. They didn't have to do this. They didn't have to go in these directions. It's the cellar. Why'd they make it go stupid? It's wind. There's so many catastrophic things with wind. Even go into the twister motifs of flying cows. Okay, I'll give you a cow.
    8:02
    I'll give you stuff that's capable of flying in the air with twisters. Zombies, though? Acid plants? Alien? Mac and me? No! Fucking Mac and me. It's like they wanted to do an original theme, and so they just did, and then they took one of the greatest System 11s and used it as a platform. Bastardized Whirlwind in the process. And so I'm torn. Well, I'm not torn. I like the idea of, as you noted, the 2.0 kit. And I know people that they love Whirlwind.
    8:32
    They have a Whirlwind. The idea of having like eight modes to play in Whirlwind, all that's really attractive to me. I just don't understand how you sit around the table and you're like, we're going to have like Scarecrows and Donuts. Scarebros. I call them Scarebros. I'm like, why? Why would you do this? It doesn't make sense. None of this makes, aside from defeat the storm as a wizard mode, none of this makes any sense to me. I totally love the idea. I am the number one demographic for this type of product.
    9:06
    The fucking number one, Dennis, because I love Whirlwind. I have a fully restored Whirlwind. I love it so much. I love the idea of upgrading old code so that you can use still the same game, but upgrading it in a way that contemporizes it, that makes it newer to where it matches up with the depths of at least a 90s Ballywilliams, if not more than that. I love utilization of all of these add-ons, too, the side blades, Translight, the new sound.
    9:40
    I love everything. I even think the price makes total sense. It's a little bit cheaper even than like a P3 module. It totally makes sense. Everything makes sense on this except for the entire presentation. The entire creative decision-making behind it. Yes. They need a creative director so bad And people can Maybe some people love this No they don Dennis I hoping at least the people who created it do But here how I would approach it
    10:15
    Here's how my mind is working with it. I want you to take a total turdburger of a game, like Gottlieb Street Fighter II, and imagine you put these modes in it. 5G zombies and scare bros and chicken run. What would you think? Would it not still be just an abomination? It would not actually make the game worse, and that's how I feel about this. This is not whirlwind stuff. No. I see where people maybe started with the idea of, well, it's just about tornadoes. That's not really a thing we can theme around.
    10:46
    It's like, there was a whole fucking movie called Twister that did it. They could even deviate a little. They could get into the – My dander's getting up here, Zach. Like the dialed-in stuff. It'd go with acid rain maybe. I get that. It's all weather-related whirlwind. Or add some other weather things like, oh, let's add hail and let's add thunderstorms and let's add a hurricane. You do that. But the piggies? The piggies with Venetian blind sunglasses and turquoise mohawks. What's going to happen if you fail the piggies mode? Does Kermie die? Did you get the fucking permission from the Muppets?
    11:20
    Might this just be because I don't know who the creative director is. But maybe I'm missing something. Crack. Maybe. like the the monster suey is i just can't get past i can tell the suey monster has it's like someone just got done playing conquer's bad fur day and was like i'm gonna stick the shit monster into this game somehow it's got sound effects too it's like oh my god let's know jeff goblin
    11:51
    where are you with the whole you thought about whether or not you could you didn't stop to think You should. Stop thinking poot. Oh. And the only thing that I can see, it is actually missing something. It's totally missing something. It's missing, what about me, Padrini? I've got the bullet. It's missing Don Knotts. Maybe that's the not-known wizard mode is the fucking apple dumpling gang.
    12:26
    And fuck off, MB. It's me and silly now. Maybe the modes are fun, Zach. And here's the other thing, Dennis. But conceptually, thematically, I'm so disappointed. I am torn apart sad about this because I was looking forward to this. There's a couple complaints on the whole Funhouse Rudy's Nightmare thing. One of them being that the extra modes really weren't that great. I fear this is going to be similar.
    12:57
    That's one of the biggest complaints on that. And they said the installation isn't that fun. It is really not that fun to install all that stuff. And I'm not surprised at that. There's not really a – I don't think there's really a good way they can help that with everything. There's not with boards and wiring. I mean, that's always just going to be unfortunate. But, I mean, with this – now, because the announcement just came out, they didn't start, like, these modes under the writer's strike, did they? It's a spin ball. There are no writers. Well, not with this.
    13:27
    Deeper was going to have a writer. They had storyboards. Quinn, didn't they? I think he's a Turner now. More crossover. The scary bros. This fucking sucks, man. I was looking forward to this. This sucks. It just shows. It goes to show when you're stealing fucking Mac from Mac and Me, like that that is the prime example of where this sits for me because of all movies to steal from
    14:01
    you fucking stole i hope that's like such an inside joke like maybe i'm just i don't know maybe i'm missing it i don't think so this the dennis the the fucking donato the thing with the donuts is the first thing that stood out to me watching the trailer and i was just like okay so They're going to make this about the guy driving the weather van. I thought, okay, the storm chaser angle. I get it. And coffee. Five seconds on coffee. No, and then I felt like, oh, right.
    14:31
    So someone was just like, well, Homer Simpson loves donuts, and Simpson's Pinball Party is popular. Maybe it started like that. But I just, like, there's all this, like, you caught the Mac and Me thing, and then the poo monster is Conker's bad fur day. It's like they just poached all this stuff from other things, but there's no silver thread that ties it all, that sews it all together. No, they're not weaving. They're weaving. So what's the 5G zombies thing?
    15:02
    Is that like some sort of reference to the pandemic where people were talking about the vaccine, having 5G chips in there and stuff? Or did they just finish reading Stephen King book Cell where anyone who answered their cell phone got turned into a zombie Because that a book Poor Stephen King Yeah it a good book too but it shouldn be in Whirlwind This reminds me of Punny Factory because it their idea of comedy and it just not It's not tongue-in-cheek. It's tongue-in-shit. The problem isn't just that it's stupid humor, like dad joke humor.
    15:35
    Like, Punny Factory's dad joke humor. But that's the theme. This is all over the map. Yeah. And it's all over, like, chicken run mixed in with Bermuda. I don't even know what that means. And then a shit monster and zombies. I might be able to get behind it if Zombie Yeti did some of this. But the artwork, the line work. Oh, come on. I can't save this. It's bad. It's just bad. The animation looks questionable. The game theme that they have established, Zach, is not good.
    16:06
    Yes, correct. Total Chaos, though, is completely apt. They properly named this kit. Total shit show. Donato. My reaction to the choices made on this theming is I hope to not see another 2.0 kit from them. They're fucking it up. I am upset, sincerely, as a pinball enthusiast. They're fucking these things up. You think about all these passion projects like Cactus Canyon Continued and all of that and how – it's like – and I don't know the people behind this, and I don't want to – it's not my goal to be cruel.
    16:43
    It's not my goal to be cruel. I always want to be fair about things, so that's where I have to know – I don't know if the modes, like the rules and stuff could very well be good. But as a decision-making on – this doesn't respect the theme, and it feels weird saying that because it's just a game. but the theme was about a serious weather event and you put in scarecrows because I guess you thought farms and tornadoes destroy farms and bear in mind Zach you're in Indiana I'm in Kansas, we take our tornadoes very seriously
    17:15
    this has not shown respect to our culture to our tornado culture it's the one thing we have all I have in Kansas is Wizard of Oz and you're just pooping all over it Scarecrows could work. Those could be characters, but they're shitty in this game. As in the art, they could, but what the hell are you doing making them the scary boys? They're not... Scarecrow is a DC villain. Are they paying Batman for this? Did you see it? It's a rendition. They're trying to make it of that. And then why is all of a sudden Rudy from Rudy's Nightmare one of the Scarecrows?
    17:48
    What are you doing? I don't understand what you're doing with my Scarecrow. It doesn't belong in Whirlwind, Total Chaos. You might as well stick it in Galactic Tank Force, and then we can airball over the flippers. An airball would make more sense in Whirlwind, because there's a tornado. Why don't you put in some dubstep while you're at it? I guarantee you it's in there. I fucking guarantee you. I want to hear wub wub with the Bermuda Crab.
    18:20
    Royalty-free wub wubs. I think in conclusion buy it if you like it that's my conclusion buy it if you like it I'm sad not only because this is a theme that I love not only an idea in general that I love that the industry is looking into but I have a lot of respect for Pedretti Gaming like they seem to be like they're going to be a powerhouse with Pinball Brothers and stuff like that so I love what they're doing overall with their company's direction and stuff
    18:51
    but when it comes to the creativity aspect of this it's it's just it missed the mark so poorly that i question why rick at planetary pinball is even approving this stuff like i get the money is there but the sanctity of a license at some point has to amount to something i just asked for the creative aspects to be reviewed better this is to me it just it opens up and it's not fair because
    19:21
    we're only you know we really are only evaluating this one game but it just makes me wonder like what would happen with like if this is this and this does well enough like what have they what would they have done to taxi i know i don't want them to touch anything right what would they have done to diner i it's like just imagine all the nonsensical stuff that that basically they're like we're just going to take these platforms that people own and instead of selling full games We're going to say convert your other thing into a totally different theme because this is not Whirlwind. This is some totally different alien shit monster theme.
    19:53
    I'm just bad about the art, too, because the one thing on Whirlwind that I hate, the original Whirlwind, is that ugly ass. I'm sorry, Yelsey. That ugly ass back glass with those characters. I hated the looks of those. So they lean in it here and have that guy drink coffee and don't like. That's Whirlwind total chaos. or should I say world total chaos