It's okay, Josh. I got you. Speaking of Josh, this is the third time you're on. He's getting a little antsy. He's like, hey, hey, slow down here. I'm the frequent guest here. So a little programming note, Josh will be on in the next couple of weeks. There you go, Mr. President. By the way, you mentioned your wife. Happy 20th anniversary. That just happened this month. It did. It just happened a couple days ago. So a wonderful woman, and the time has flown by, and we were together for almost seven years before that, before we tied the knot. And so we got two wonderful kids together, and we got a babysitter for them. And most things are closed around here, but we got some takeout and had a nice little dinner out on a patio and went and sat on a beach and just kind of reconnected, just the two of us. So she's amazing, and it's been a really, really great 27 years. Congratulations. That's amazing. And I know it's a lot of hard work and whatnot, but a great family in your household. And during this COVID-19, we're hearing stories of people, unfortunately, not having good times. sadly the stats of things like spousal abuse and child abuse and horrible horrible things are happening I don't mean to get too serious but I just want to point out that you are a very lucky person I feel very blessed with my Ann and my family that we are in such loving households and I wish that was the case for everyone because this is really testing everyone isn't it the COVID-19 yeah that's a really good point and I am really glad that I married such a wonderful person and that we like spending time with each other and you know doing puzzles with the kids playing board games we're taking turns watching movies so i but not you know taking turns picking so my kids are learning about when i was a kid with goonies and and uh back to the future and last starfighter and all this stuff that i loved as a kid and then um you know my wife might pick some uh some other ones and my son goes star wars and marvel so we're learning about each other's movie tastes and uh And so I think you can go one of two ways. Things can be worse or they can be better, and I think our family has grown closer during this time, and I feel very fortunate for that. That's great that you're showing the kids the old movies and, like you say, part of your childhood. But when they're watching it, I'm like, hey, Dad, that sloth in Goonies, is that? I think I could have played that role, sloth. He's a big, big man and a big heart and a big softie who likes Baby Ruth chocolate bars. So I fit that profile. So that's a great film and fun to see which movies have held up. Some of the movies that I have suggested maybe haven't held up, and other ones like Short Circuit or The Great Outdoors, I still love them. They never get old. They're remaking The Goonies, and they haven't cast Sloth yet. So give me your best impression. Hey, you guys! We might be seeing you on IMDb as actor Todd McCulloch. Ooh, this is going to be good. You know, cross your toes. cross your fingers and toes. You know, I play basketball, play a little pinball now, and maybe I've got a future in film. So we'll see how it all shakes out. So never put yourself in too small a box, I guess. Never a dull moment. And you talked about basketball. The NBA season, I didn't think it was going to happen. It is. It's kind of this playoff thing. I love that they're doing it in a bubble. I mean, if it's got to happen, I find this is maybe the safest way. And I want to talk to you about that, too, because imagine you were in this situation. Let's say it's your rookie year. and you're being asked to play in the bubble. Now, I can only imagine in your rookie season or just making the show, you're like, I'll do whatever. I just want to play. That might be a different attitude than, say, a veteran who's maybe got a young family at home or maybe taking care of some older parents that might have some respiratory problems. I wonder what your thoughts are, given different situations, if you, Todd, would have played in this bubble. I think I would have. And I think it's interesting that you say that. And I think your situation could be different, whether you're a rookie. When I was a rookie, I think I had $6 in two bank accounts when I joined the NBA and was really looking forward to that first check and probably would have done anything to play. Fortunately, it wasn't in the situation that we're in now. But I just watched a documentary recently that had Jamie Foxx and these comedians were talking about what it was like to be heckled and how challenging that can be. He's like, you know, when I used to get heckled and I used to get booed, it used to really bother me earlier in my career. And now I don't care as much because I have money. And so I guess my point is, if you've played in the NBA for 12, 14 years and you have financial security for yourself and your family for the foreseeable future, you might make your decisions differently than if you're a rookie and this is your chance to make it and to help get yourself into a better financial situation, take care of your family and parents. So I think there are some pressures for people, and it's all different, and everybody is at a different stage right now. But I think the NBA has tried to do a really good job to keep everybody safe and to, you know, last I heard, I don't know if there's roughly 350 athletes there within the bubble, that I think they had zero positive tests. So I think if you look at that rate of return compared to other communities within this country, it seems like a pretty safe place to be, and it's not by accident. And I think they've done a really good job and they've taken it seriously. And I think when guys have either broken the rules, either knowingly or unknowingly, and maybe crossed the street to go get some takeout food, they get put into mandatory quarantine for another 10 or 14 days and probably get docked financially. So you have to make the rules and people have to abide by them without favorites, no matter who you are. And I think they've set an example like, guys, we are here. We need to be safe. And this is important. And this is for all of our safety. We need to keep this bubble as protected as possible. And I do think it's working, and I think they've taken the necessary precautions, and they follow the science. And I think it's going to work, and I'm pretty excited to see basketball again. And I'd like to think that I would go if I was still an active player, that they have the player's safety paramount. And I would feel confident going. I mean, I'm not in that situation because I haven't played professional basketball a long time, but I would feel good about going if I was a current player. Certainly the testing that is involved is great too, but we're going to get to pinball in a bit, but I do want to talk about this because it is a competitive nature. It's in a group setting, in this case, a bubble, but that sport in basketball, there's a lot of hands-on, there's a lot of sweat, there's a lot of in-your-face. I mean, it's tough to social distance. So that's why the testing is crucial. And also too, like you say, the policing of staying inside that bubble. If you are out, are you wearing a mask? Are you protected if you have to go out? All those types of things. I just wonder how it's going to work with something like basketball. Forget basketball. I like that they're in a bubble. It's the NFL that I'm like, there's no way that could possibly work. You're seeing it in college sports with football. Yeah, you're right. It's a different game, and NBA has always had sort of the luxury of having the least amount of players on a team. And so when it's a numbers game and distance is important and each person that's there represents a threat to spread of others, with the NBA having the lowest number of professional athletes of the four or five major professional sports in this country, I think it's a little easier to manage. And with the NFL, with the huge rosters and maybe the inability for there to be a venue somewhere in this country for them to safely quarantine and be in the bubble, They certainly have a set of challenges, and you've heard recently from some of the star players that have voiced some of those concerns, and they really want a clear plan and a chance to be safe. And the NBA has been taking this very seriously right from the beginning and looking at every possibility, and they chose what they thought was best. And so far, I think it's working. And so each game is going to have to deal with it, whether it seemed like some of the racing in cars was a natural fit to get back on the track and have the spacing of these cars. And, you know, maybe singles tennis works where you're across the net, but maybe doubles doesn't. And so each game is going to have its own unique challenges. And I think basketball and the NBA have set themselves up as well as possible to continue for the rest of the season. I think with the luxury of testing and being in a bubble and also being diligent with social distancing is important not just in sports but it really is in life too And as we relate to pinball I think this is the only way this is going to happen moving forward We seen the IFPA suspend competitive pinball as far as the whopper points are concerned And there are still pinball events going on, and they're being very responsible with masks. I just did a stream with Jim and Dina Lindsay on JDL Pinball. They were doing this pinball competition in Switzerland, and it was limited people, games extremely spread out. And they just thought, okay, we're used to pinball and playing in a competition where if it's a two-player game, you go first, Todd, then I go back and forth. And I thought, eh, just play your whole game and then wipe it down, let the next person come up. The back and forth might need to not happen for a while. And I know I'm going to talk to Josh about that in a few weeks. But your thoughts on how we can get back to pinball during these COVID-19 times. I liked your idea. I haven't been competing at pinball. I've just been playing at home, and since I don't really run tournaments, I haven't really had to think of how to get it back. I've kind of just been waiting for some of my local places to open up so we can do these things, but I haven't really thought about the logistics. But I think your point of maybe playing your full game and recording the score and then wiping the machine down thoroughly and having someone else play is a very good suggestion, and keeping your distance from that person and allowing somebody to walk completely away from the machine before you step up, almost like treating the game like somebody may have tilted and just giving it that second and, you know, wiping down the lockdown bar, wiping down the buttons, always wearing a mask. I do think that there will be a way to do that safely as we're learning more about the transmission of it. And, you know, maybe there's an ability to have some open air stuff. I mean, we saw a little bit of publicity here recently where there was a gentleman, I think it was maybe Tokens Arcade or Barcade, somewhere in the East Coast. And he wanted to stop by and say hi to his local pinball bar establishment, but didn't want to risk going into the facility because of some complications. And the owners were nice enough to put that game outside, maybe under an awning. And so I know these things are a pain to move, but it seems like maybe there's some places that can move them out to the patio, at least for a day tournament on a day where the weather isn't too inclement. That's the tough part, too, because a lot of the places that we play are tight quarters and really tough to have that kind of spacing. I just saw a little side tournament. I don't know who put it on, and I would give credit if I knew who it was. I'm sorry I don't, but I saw people like Chuck Webster and some other people in the New England area were playing this tournament. It was outside. Every single person was wearing a mask, and it was a fun time. You could see that everyone was taking precautions. I love seeing things like that. So just like that tournament that I did some commentary on in Switzerland, it wasn't for points. It was for prizes. It was for pride. It was really just a chance to see your friends that we probably haven't seen in months. And in some cases, there might be some cash prizes or play fields, little things like that. That's probably the first step towards getting back, seeing that we can be responsible. I know you're a big fan and I know you were looking forward to things like Pinberg. It was the right decision to cancel that with that venue, with the amount of people that are in there. It just couldn't be done from a safety standpoint. We'll get there. I just think we need to take slow steps. Yeah, you know, I think the future is everything I see in terms of the vaccines and all the different approaches that they're taking. At least from what I'm reading and seeing, there's a lot of positive things coming out of those developments and stages. And I think that's really encouraging that at some point, either towards the end of this year or into early into next year, there'll be the first options for people to start to get some vaccinations. And I think as those start to get out there, get produced, become available to people, and maybe combined with some other ones that have maybe attacking the virus in a different way, try and get some sort of total immunity. And then I think you can start to have those events again if the majority of people are protected. But until then, the right thing to do is to cancel all those events. So having a whole bunch of people, hundreds, thousands of people in a convention center with a bunch of games that everybody is handling is just not safe at this time. But I think we're learning a lot about it and about the transmission and ways to combat it. And it does appear that there's some hope on the horizon that this is not going to be forever. I bring it back to sports because, again, it's gatherings of competitive nature. And we talked about the NBA being in a bubble. Major League Baseball started their 60-game schedule. The NHL is about to hit their little playoff run of 24 teams, and those are in two cities in Toronto and Edmonton. Again, bubble-like atmosphere, which I like. One thing that I've noticed during this lack of competition, and I'm excited to see with these sports I just mentioned, is as a guy who used to play, certainly not on the level you did, but just enjoyed sports, just like I enjoy competitive pinball, I miss the people, and that's one big thing that might be lost in these major league sports, is that kind of bonding, whether it's going out to dinner afterwards, hanging out, playing video games in the hotel or whatever. I mean, whatever athletes do out on the road, and those are the things I can mention, that's going to be lost, unfortunately, and I don't know what kind of effects that's going to have as far as team bonding, because I've heard a lot of athletes say, you know, that's the one thing we're going to miss the most is those opportunities to bond. And I would agree with that. I think that's the thing that I miss the most about being on a team is it's not necessarily the practices or the physicality. Obviously, the games are a lot of fun and winning is fun, but it was the times on the plane, the times hanging out with the guys, being on the bus and doing trick shots in practice and just the locker room and being a part of the team in maybe less informal, less stressful situations. and that's what I really miss is that camaraderie and I think players that are playing now, I think they're going to miss out on some of the great things that it was to be a professional athlete in this country to make a great salary doing something that you love, doing something that you did for nothing when you were a child and then somehow you get to keep playing this game and make a very good salary and also get to have a lot of fun doing it, especially if you were in a winning organization. That just made everything better And fortunately, in my short career, I was lucky to be part of two wonderful organizations that did more winning than losing. And that just made it that much more fun. So I do feel badly for some of the guys coming up now. They're still going to be playing at the highest level. They're still going to have great competition. But whether they're missing fans in the stands or whether they're not having the same kind of bonding with their teammates, whether it's going out to a nice steak dinner after a game or hanging out or going to the movies and just doing a lot of the things that everyday people do. I mean, I remember when I first joined the NBA, Bruce Bowen went on to be a wonderful NBA player, and he was just trying to get back into the NBA at that time. And I think it was our first road trip, and I'm a rookie, and I love the movies. And Bruce and I decided, you know, what are we going to do on the road? Let's go to a movie. So we go to a movie.