You're listening to Topcast, this old pinballs online radio. For more information visit them anytime, www.marvin3m.com. Flash Topcast. Alright, welcome to another episode of Topcast. Today, we're going for the department of three big dummies. You notice that they could be awesome. They could cheat this radio program I've ever been at. We are sharing two guys are sharing one headphone and one microphone. I feel like John Bingle has just stroked up inside the mic. Say hello Eric. Say hello Eric. Hello Eric. Okay, so today we have the genuine three dummies with us. We've got of course me I'm Shaggy and we've got Norm. Say hello Norm. Norm. Hello. Yeah and we've got of course we've got Eric A is joining us again because he had so much fun last time. Say hello Eric. Oh my god this is even better in the last time. Alright, no it is not. What are you doing? Always waving on the webcam. Waving on the webcam. It's Norm waving. How are you doing there? All the 37 and a half people that are watching right now. If anybody cares Norm is on the webcam he's in the green shirt and Eric's in the orange shirt. So or is it the other way around? I always forget. So but anyways this is a good color but it's a tag of shit so uh that's he's got that going for him. Maybe a two hour show right? Okay so what's up first guys? I'm poor. Okay it's time to uh call Trent up and uh get him on the horn and see what this week's play of the week is what Gami has in store for us this week to make us a better pinball player. Let's give him a call right now. Is this Trent Mr. um second place in the entire world of professional pinball players Augustine? Yep that may. Tell me about Trent's play of the week. Well I was thinking about covering Mars God of War. Are you familiar with this game? It's a got leave. Yeah it's a got leave system 80 yes I am nice and I believe the white body as well. Yes it's a good game too. It's a great game there's a lot of underplay. Uh the most important thing you remember is don't ever open the backbox. Because the back of the fans light the back glass will immediately burst into pieces. Why? Uh second most thing you remember is to uh shoot down the drop party. Wait wait wait why would the back glass open up and break? Why would the back glass open up and break? Well I don't know that's what happened. What do you mean it happened to you? For design I guess. Okay. Yeah it's impossible to get into the back of the game because of the back glass configuration. Okay why is it different than say black hole? I think black hole is attached to the head or the attached to the door right? Right right it's hinged. Well that's not that way. Oh yeah there's door open. And then you got to figure out how to get the back glass out of the game to get to the board. Okay and what's the next thing I got to remember? It's different in its duck. Okay. So anyway yeah that's the most important thing. You never ever open up the head. Okay. And what about the gameplay? The gameplay is actually pretty cool. I believe it has a double flipper on both sides which is actually kind of neat. There's no real purpose uh to the flipper on the right side but the upper part of the left you can use it to make the right cup much easier. Basically there's a forward bank drop partner right in front in the middle of the playfield and there's a four bank drop partner way up on the right hand side. So goal number one is the roller was at the top of the Mars M-A-R-F and they also light up a pop bumper. Now the interesting thing is the right flipper but not only moves the roll over that you want to get but it also changes which pop bumper is a lit and the lift pop up is worth a thousand point. So you can try to move the pop up around to uh to try to get the ball to be hitting it most of the time the lift works. Which I generally ignored because I thought it was important to try and get the Mars letters so I tried to get the unlit Mars letters or the lit Mars letters over top of what I need. So is that like a lane change? It's a lane change. And so if you fill Mars your multiplier goes up. Multiplier is very very important in the game because the bonus is worth quite a bit. You can get the bonus ruled up to 29,000 or 29. And then of course if you get it up to five times it's 155 million or something. Ah by that. But anyway you can also advance the multiplier by shooting the shot at the operating corner which you can either kind of shoot it straight up there with the very tip of the right flipper or you can get lucky to have a mouth up there backhanded or something like that or you can shoot the ramp when the ramp is down which the ramp is down when the cutler lift or the ramp is down uh after it goes through the right anyway which it doesn't do very often. But in general I ignore that so I'm trying to get the multiplier up as high as possible. The ramp is also a hard shot especially if you got flippers. So anyway get the multiplier up if you knock down the set of banks uh drop partisan in the front the less cup is lit if you knock down the bank the right partisan the operating corner the right cup is lit. Once you get a cup lit you can lock a ball in there give you another ball you can either shoot it up the ramp to release the ball lock ball or you can try to lock the other ball and get a three ball ball thing on. When you say that the other scores are doubled and tripled it really adds up on the set. When you say cop you mean uh kick out hole right? It's a kick out hole yeah that's what the locks are. So that's the whole point of the block and get them kicked out so you can start to work points. And that's it? Yeah it's not a very complicated game but it's challenging. Challenging to do this thing. The less cup on the left side is kind of tough to shoot and if you miss this you'll ball very easily could roll down the middle. Uh the one on the right side easier to shoot from that upper left hand flipper and uh and then you can play two balls if you don't want to try going for the third block. And it's also kind of dangerous to shoot those four drop targets in front. I try to shoot them with the upper left flipper. Left danger that way. Well that's an interesting you know get your multiple wire maxed out which is pretty easy to do. It also has this kind of neat feature where every time you shoot down a drop target uh one of the inserts for the spinner will line up and then if you shoot the spinner it'll collect those inserts one at a time and add them to your bonus. Which I've never seen anything new before it's kind of a neat feature. We don't pay too much attention to it but because it's really easy to max out the bonus but that happens. All right well I guess that's trends play the week. Mars got a war. The game is more exciting than explanation but it's a lot of fun. It is okay. And remember don't take that back last hour. Yeah you mentioned that I um whatever. Okay I guess I've never opened one up before so I'll go try that right now. You should do that I think there's another game that does that as well but I can't remember what it is. Hmm okay well thanks Trent. Hey no problem. Hey there's our whole way to the week. I don't know what he was talking about. You know if those little plastic tabs aren't there you're not going to have a too good of a result with the glass staying in. Okay all right well next we're going to run our tech tips of the week. And now it's time for tech tech. We got all we got we got we got we got we got we got we got we got we got we got we got we got all right so my tech tips I had two I've got two pretty good ones that are are kind of quite strange. So a while ago I was working on a Phoenix. It's like a system three a William system three. Uh William's Phoenix three or four or something like that somewhere around that in the late 70s. And this lady had me come all around and I replaced the interconnector going between the the CPU and the driver board and you know did a bunch of the standard up grazing at that game all working. It was working real nice and she was real happy. So that was maybe two months ago and then I got a call from her a couple weeks ago when she said you know the Phoenix isn't working And I'm thinking to myself and I went through that game It's got to be something really goofy. She says it won't kick the ball out whenever people say it won't kick the ball out It usually means the game isn't even turning on they just you know, it's not booting So I you know, I'm thinking well, maybe it's a bad user something so I'm making an appointment for her and I go over there and And you know, I look at the game. I don't even turn it on I just open up the backbox and I open up the backbox and swing the Insert panel because it's hinged out and immediately I can see exactly what the problem is you have any ideas I'll just give you guys a guess What do you have any guesses there norm or Eric what what it might be? Oh mouse nest. I must have told you this story before because there was a mouse nest in the backbox I mean a huge mouse nest so this mouse is in this basement a nice home Crawled up the pinball leg through one of the bottom vent holes into the lower cabinet up through the back Through the neck and into the backbox and he dragged about a six inch ball of like Owens fiber pink Insulation into the backbox and then he started chewing on the wood on the insert panel and he tore up all the little Pieces of paper where the you know, it says like the dip switch settings and you know stuff like that sure Ball that all up and made a beautiful little home Inside the game and there was a whole pile of mouse crap too. You know if anything with mice is Did you won't have fiberglass installation for like 600 miles yet? You'll find it wherever they've been Yeah, exactly because they look I don't know they love this stuff or something. I don't know what I guess pretty good I think I told you this story. He's a genius. Yeah, yeah, he's a genius. I'm a potent Is that more than potent It's like high potency High test So I cleaned out she gave me some rubber gloves. Thank you very much clean out the mouse nest She got out of vacuum cleaner cleaned it all out I checked all the fuses and basically and then plug the game in because it wasn't plugged in for some reason and Turned it on and sure enough it worked fine. So I don't really know what the mouse was doing in there But he was doing something nasty trying to create a life for himself and make a family. Okay, so maybe that was just talk about Vermin in games. I've only had Things droppings in my haunted house. It's the only game that I've ever found anything and how about you? Well, I found the mud Remain nest of something in a black hole and just it yeah, the mud dapper wasps Things is that we're talking about yeah, you take a spatula to it and try to get all the smell out of there with the bleach and For breeze and nothing works. So that's when you saw the game air exploded to his mother One of my favorite stories was EM Dave he he had a game and there was a dead cat in it and it had become like dried out And he first he wasn't sure what it was He took a screwdriver and he put it into it and pulled out a dead cat that been mummified You know all the liquid have been gone. So is this mummified? Cat inside of a game and of course he sold it Well, he sold the cat or the game Yeah, well, I thought that was a good okay now. I'll give you a real tech tip Okay, this was a William system 11 game. It was a jokers in the insert panel general illumination was not working Okay, so what what do you think that might be Eric? Burn header Yeah, the connectors believe it or not because there's like an interconnect board that the GI comes up into and then it goes off to Somewhere else and there's there's like you know a million connectors all over the place It was not a burnt connector anywhere what any other ideas blown fuse now. It wasn't a blown fuse either because I check those oh Oh No, what it was is on the inside of the insert panel They have a little like a little board with a fuse mounted on it so that they can Programatically turn the insert panel GI on and off kind of like an effect You know by the the fuses when the fuse isn't activated The GI's on but when the fuse pulls aren't the fuse when they're really yeah when the real a is an activated The you know the relay is unenergized the GI powers on but when the relay pulls in the GI turns off So they can turn the relay on and off to you know flash the the GI and what it happened is is there was a little zero-ohm jumper on that Fuse board because that fuse board is like a single side of printed circuit board So if they will need to go Over the top of a trace they put a like a jumper on the other side of the board and the reason why they use these Zero jumpers instead of say a piece of wire is because they have a machine that actually picks up the components off like a long string of components and then You know automatically inserts them into the board and what happens is is that the these Zero jumpers they look like resistors, but they're they're really not they're really just a jumper But they they go bad inside they they go open and that's what happened They had gone open so that the the the the GI power which with the return which is shut on and off through the relay Just wasn't making it back so it never turned on and off. There's only a certain number of watts they can handle right right so what do you replace those 44 bulbs with 47 there you go was that for a question? No, that was just another reason to replace them Huh and I used a piece of wire for the jumper Why are you doing that norm? You're a Norseman disgusting. No, I'm what's your tech tip of the week? Always use novice on a play field Okay, all right just on the play field Just on a play field Okay, all right now Eric you got you got a tech tip right? Yeah, I was working on a dad at East Batman yesterday Had no display The small and this is the the 16 by 128 display the small dot matrix. That's no longer available right right we can get them from pin LED Right for a million dollars No 1.2 million anyway, so he had no controlled lamps no flashers, you know everything was out So we checked the voltages coming off the power supply and everything was there except the 12 volts and the game was booting game was booting and playing Okay, so we'll just lay it all so we tracked back in the circuit and found where the fires on the backbox That's actually mounted to the back point right and the fuse was blown so we replaced the fuse and the fuse was blown real quick so we disconnected everything on the outgoing side to make sure we had nothing loading it down and and once we figured out that We had nothing loading the bridge rectifier down it was still blown the fuse drawing like a million amps We decided that maybe we had a bad bridge So then we took our meter put it on diode setting and filed Marvin's repair guide Not Marvin. What a guy Tonya and determined that we had a shorted side on the bridge rectifier Say put a new bridge in and everything was happy everything was happy very nice very nice. That's good I just turned 50 at the C my proctologist and got my rectum fly too. Did you ever have that done I don't know if you call it a rectum fight, but I'll tell you what I'm never going to see that doctor again Tech tech tech. Oh, we All right, that was tech tip of the week and thank you Norm that was Most interesting now actually Norm was the only person that liked this that we did last time So we're doing it again. It's time March weekend The week's news in More is back good old mort is back. Well, we've shortened them up a little bit We don't let them ram along quite as much because we know how much everybody loves more time I'd like to introduce more with this week's news in pinball Hello, this is moight and I'm here again to talk to you about pinball because I know so much about pinball And I get to be able to talk to you and it's very nice that these shaggy and now I want to say something about the norm fellow You know every time I listen to you hasn't been on you that much but when I do listen and he's on there That's when it's very good. It's very good show and I say thank you Norm because I know you're sitting there right now Been saying very nice things about me. Yeah, that's thank you, too And you know, I really like you you're you're very humble person and you're very nice and My 10 seconds over people have said a lot of nasty things about me on the internet. That's not very nice They think I'm somebody else. They think I'm crazy. You know something. I'm not crazy. I just talk like this This is nice not therefore, you know, it's not my fault I just trying to do my thing, you know talk about pinball. I think there was your mother's fault Why you talk like that and possibly your father who used to beat you? Tent of course he used to beat you with Well, we got to talk about something for real. That's something important. There hasn't been much happening I did go to the Texas show and for some reason Shaggy didn't let me talk about the Texas show because I had a little whole thing I knew everything there was to know I saw that whole thing I even told Gene cutting hand where to sit I even put the chair right there for him and said sit right here You can sit right here and you can talk and we'll do that and ask exactly what he did He sat right there in that chair I gave him and he talked and that was how it went Yeah, and Gene was given away free big bang bars I took four of them home so loved for $28,000 a piece That's the truth and it was a very good show I liked it very much that they were very very nice to me they came over to me and they said hello Morton These people said hello to me that didn't even know who I was some people knew who I was and they and they said hello And it was very nice people were very very very very nice in Texas. I'm gonna go back there again Sometimes whenever they have a nice show like that again, so so that's where I want to tell you about the show Oh, good hit me good hit me good hit me Thank you for having me on the show again, and that's that's all I got to say for today So next up next up and now it's time for everyone's favorite Yeah, oh Sweet Adeline. It's a Woodrail and there'll be pictures of it coming up on the webcam Gottlieb, 1950 find sweet Adeline the thing that's kind of interesting about sweet Adeline like a bingo Yeah, it has a bingo card in the back glass and the thing that makes that kind of unusual is that David Gottlieb if he if he was paying attention would have crapped a small little blue football if he had known That Roy Parker and Wayne Nions had snuck this bingo card into the back glass because the He was totally anti gambling. I didn't want to have anything to do with with anything that was gambling and bingo was of course considered gambling now The the girl on it. It's got a nice little girl She's had an adding machine and that's where those numbers come up and they relate to playfield features Now they also have a real the girl actually on a playfield is way more attractive than the girl in the back glass No hands. Yeah, well because Roy Parker didn't like to draw hands So he would often hide the hands, but this is a rollover game meaning that you have to try and the object is to try and go over all the rollovers If you can get every rollover Rollovered or every rollover rollovered you will win up to 26 Credits and it knocks them off. It sounds like a machine gun when the thing goes off It just that a rat that that that that that that that that as it's knocking off the credits now You can also if you don't get all the rollovers all 16 rollovers 16 is a 16 or maybe more I can't I can't remember but 16 rollovers within your five balls You can also light the center gobble hole for some specials and it'll light up One arrow will give you one replay three arrows will give you three replays but overall it's a pretty fun game and here we are like playing the game and You can see that it's it's a pretty snappy game. I mean I've got mine set up pretty fast norm Rumor does it like it when I set them up like this? No, it doesn't make any sense And how are people gonna see this on the internet when they download this? They're not they're not why this why you're supposed to play the You got the half the viewing up it People are right now at your studio. How was anyone gonna? The audience sorry half the audience is sitting here in this room and they have three other people somewhere else and here You can see I'm playing multiball because I'm so impatient. I can launch all five balls at once Because you do that on the old manual ball load games. That's the only reason why I play EMS They don't take these games and bastard eyes and this is not appropriate. They are what they are You know we're gonna make this wood rail tape They're all gonna be hopped up and then he's not gonna let me put my ending attribute to a place that I made Where I played these wood rails because everything has to be in terms of 90 steroids use up machines now It's showing right here. I'm showing on the webcam that I got one arrow lit two arrow three arrows lit in the special area Because I'm going over different rollovers. I got almost all I got two more arrows lit And I'll have them all lit for the big 26 replace and you'll hear it knock it off on the on the web on the webcam Not off all the credits when I got all those all the arrows lit, but anyways, that's our Talk about my stuff. We're gonna do something about moving games once you buy it You know everybody's bought a game haven't you some people have bought weight way too many It takes experience to go ahead and And you know get these games. I remember the first time you buy a game You didn't know how to disassemble this assemble ed or do anything did you never so you got to you know it takes experience to go ahead and do this Somebody gonna help me? Well, yeah, the first thing I like I went Okay, I went over these people's house the other day they had a a Williams solar fire Which is what a system I want to say system six game with from 1980 79 or 80 it's multiple all it's got a cool game wide-body game and the lady says I need you to fix it It's sitting right in the middle of my garage floor So I thought she meant it was sitting there on the legs so I get there and it's It doesn't have any legs, but the head is on and I said why isn't this game in your basement? And she said well It's not in the basement because the movers said that they they couldn't move it It was too big it wouldn't fit and I'm like well if they took the head off It's pretty easy to move You know so people don't know that I mean they move games with I've seen games and pick up trucks with the head and legs on In cart them off without taking the legs off you've seen that I've seen that like crazy and drives me nuts because you just Worry about them making that first turn and it ends up on the first corner. It doesn't worry me I just I'd like to watch it happen Okay, well I got one we went to an auction once a pinwall auction they had video games and a friend of mine bought this game It was a boxing game and it had two monitors in the head. I forget what that's called is Punch out. Yeah punch out. That's exactly what it's called So we buy the thing and we put it in the back of his pickup truck and he only lived like five miles away So only Only Five miles away. So we we load the game into the back of his pickup truck And we push it standing up set up position all the way forward towards the cap and Of course we didn't tie it down because we're only going five miles down the road. So I'm following him in my car and You know, I he knows how to get home obviously so I'm letting him drive and his and his pickup truck and He gets on the highway and I couldn't believe it. I'm like, why is he getting on the expressway? We didn't tie this thing down and he gets going he cranks it up About 65 miles an hour and the thing gets over I mean literally out the back and He's got this apparatus that goes around for like holding ladders and the thing tips over and is the monitor head hits the ground off the back of the truck in the front Like where the leg level is our is wedged between the tailgate and this thing that holds ladders and he's driving down the expressway Well, it's dragging down And Joshua Clay starts screaming gut it gut it. What did he pay for this game? Oh, it's like a hundred bucks or something at the auction and it worked well it did good You know, so we pull over to the side He actually notices that all this is happening and I'm looking at him like Ralph. Are you like insane? What are you doing? You know and he's like well? We'll just push it back up and then I want you to ride in the back and we'll come back and get your car And I'm like first off I'm not leaving my car abandoned on the side of I 96 in Detroit. I don't think so Second off you're insane. Yeah, but it wouldn't be abandoned for very long. Yeah That family of six would be living in it So did the game ever work after that? Yeah, we got at home in a work fine actually It was a little little scraped up obviously, but you know just on the edges the cord goes through this in a more systematic approach All right, go ahead buying games at an auction I mean, I think when you start out you don't want to be buying game in an auction I think until you level of Expertise that repairing these things because auctions can be dumping grounds I mean if you're gonna get a game it's working you take more risk to do that, but a dead game and I think maybe Shaggy might buy one Eric might buy a dead game, but you wanted to see inside what's in there, wouldn't you? Yeah, definitely, but you know we all start out and it seems like that's where we all start out from We start out at these auctions you get excited you hear there's Schmiel before the auction starts you get excited and you Now just got done paying 600 bucks for your first DM that doesn't even have the head Well, I did this once I says you know I heard bad things about auctions. So what do I do? I take a car that I know I can't bring a game home in I had barely enough money no tools I sold it that I knew I couldn't get the thing home. What do I do? I buy a skill pool Chicago coin right for a hundred bucks And then I now I got to get this thing out one day So I give a guy 20 bucks to take it to my house. He takes it away He has some smuck to take it to your house for 20 bucks. Yeah, can I that smucks phone number? Can he follow me there we auction I go to man He was just hired up for cash the 20 bucks. He brought it right to my house I mean with a great guy. That's good people in football. They're not all like you Yeah, they are yeah, but that was like 20 years ago, right? Yeah 15 years ago. Yeah, yeah, well 20 bucks would buy you a take a gas back then Yeah, nowadays if you actually paid somebody to take a pinball machine home for you they'd go to their home with it What was the frady was gonna do that? Okay, so one of the things you should do when when you're thinking of buying a game You should look at the price guy. There's two of them out there. He's got one and Dana's got one and there are good general About information to buy pins although the prices in those are kind of questionable at times. I don't think they can quite evaluate every game so they give pretty much wholesale generalized values for machines and they can fluctuate in the market is fluctuating right now Yeah, but at the same time they give you a good idea where to shoot for so you're not paying $3,000 for a 1975 poor player. Yeah So what what I think when you first start you start acquiring games at the level of skill or Knowledge that you have to repair them or have others that you know repair them. I don't think you start off trying to Amass a huge collection or buying every game you you don't want to necessarily go ahead by games that flip them and make money I think you need to develop some logic and some knowledge over time So don't get too crazy in buying. I don't know. We're going out with Shaggy once and he bought 14 games in one day Took a trailer and then he had to unload 14 games. He had no idea where he's gonna put them But he's just so excited on getting a deal for like I was 700 bucks and he got 14 EM So he just and one was a one ball horse racing game to wait about 700 pounds and of course all this was in a basement and the only two of us were there to pick it up and and it's and it's another thing I forgot about that I forgot about that day. I got one question for you Shaggy What have you ever bought one pinball machine without having somebody move it with you? Maybe no, okay, no Okay, I always buy a car that's too small so I got to have friends like Eric around You know, I think was always buying pins of work So I kind of knew that even if they didn't work or they were just getting going or they didn't work when I got home They could be pretty easily fixed you start buying dead games I was always uncomfortable with that missing parts and I wasn't always that I got missing boards hacked up games you got games at certain People sell that we won't mention that dumb games at auction carcasses and bad boards and Eric he must have had this Yeah, actually you know, it's very fortunate. You say there's good people out there You want to meet those people because they will give you a heads up when you get excited about a game You're looking at a game like some high-end dollar game. You're all excited and go. Oh, yeah Well, it's missing a magnet assembly over there Hey, Eric it just for the record am I one of those good guys? Yeah, you are you but I've never stuck around with you in an auction So why do you have your fingers crossed? You saw that huh? Yeah, so buying a sort of a poor questionable game is good in effect that you can always use it to upgrade You know if there's parts on it that you want to swap on to your other one You have two Indiana Jones and you need a better glass you need better ramps or wire forms or whatever it is You can use that and and you know be honest about disposing it to the next guy Show the things you should look for is a Rost inside games. I'm not really keen on that There's a lot of flooding and storms going on throughout this country and a lot of messed up games You really don't want to pursue rusted water damage cabinets mold mildly smell Hell's going on over there Although I know people in this room that will buy any game site unseen with any condition even mildew For 50 bucks absolutely Times to You guys are nuts. I mean it's those are games that you're gonna just dump on somebody else You're not gonna put a smelly game in your house like that. Are you? No, so I'm gonna put it in your house It started because then I got some sort of conscious dealing with people when I want to give rid of this crap I got enough crap as it is. I don't need more crap Yeah, but if you sell it on eBay you never have to see it again. Okay. All right Well, do you have any more to say we got another page of craft to go? Oh my god, so you should be inspecting your games even when you're buying it anywhere. I'm not just talking about Auctions at all, you know, you should look at like I said your level of confidence And I think as Eric and Shag will say that as you start out early You know, you don't want to go ahead and buy these basket cases Just gonna frustrate you no matter how good you think your knowledge is and your skills are that's not gonna work You should look at the back glass you should Take it out if you can look to see how much repairs You can always see that sometimes back glasses have been docked up from behind You like to think up and they're all messed up and you can't get caught up in the moment of of these games And you get home and you find out the glasses missing painter been painted poorly One of the big things is check the size you need to know what your house looks like and where you're gonna put this thing Everybody's made a mistake in buying too big of a game for a space They can't fit it in and then trying to do absolutely insane things to your house Such as try to get them in well. I'm on a puck bowl or once I I needed I wanted to get a ball bowl For years and I ended up buying a puck bowler and then it was three inches too big to get in my house So I end up taking the So I end up I had a friend it was good at work Work in games so we we cold chisel off the head But we indexed it first with some screws and then took the coin box off and then I had a straight shot Once I got that done I was able to open a bathroom window and put this thing through the bathroom window down a stairwell They're getting in the game now when I die this guy's not gonna know it They're never gonna get this game out of the house. They're gonna be swearing at me, but I really don't care There's there's people I know about ball bowlers that couldn't have get them in their house Shaggy's bought games and I've had to come in here and get them into his house He bought one game and wouldn't go and finally had to disassemble his staircase I Was that anything normal that anyone in their right mind would do for my staircases now easily reversible into a game Loading zone that's not really a normal thing that people should be doing is taking their houses apart There's things in some of these houses you go into changes have been made in houses You go to a house to buy a game in a in a basement and you find out that you can't get it after lugging this thing up a flight There's some 300 pound thing that you got to remove the door molding You know people have done it right here Yeah, my what wait I got a good story do you have a spare? Yeah, but my back door of my house is now easily removable the molding that goes around it for the screen door and everything This guy called me this only happened to come away Wait, wait, but the long the the more the time goes on the longer the screws get to put a back together This guy called me with a a checks, you know ice hockey, you know thing the checks hockey thing and you know He wanted at first a million dollars for it and I told him look I am only willing to pay this much which was not much And he finally said okay fine come over and get it so I'm like okay so I go over there I actually brought my dad who's 73 years old Because he has a pickup truck and he was having to be visiting me so we go over the guys house This is in the winter and you know like I said just a few months ago and You know I go down there and there's a game and sure enough it works and you know looks okay And so I start disassembling it so that the the head kind of comes off the game the part with the dome on it and I'm like okay, let's turn it sideways and let's get this out the door and We get it up there and And we get that part out so now it always leaves is the pedestal So we go take that up the stairs and it won't go it no matter how you turn the thing sideways upside down You know at an angle it doesn't matter It's not going out and I look at the guy said How did you get this in here and he goes I I didn't I bought the house it came the game came with the house And I'm like did you finish the basement? He goes yeah, I finished the basement It was just you know an empty basement when I got here You know I put the trim around it and everything and I said well You'll lock the game in the in the basement. We can't get it out. He goes wait a minute Wait a minute and he goes out to the garage and comes out with a crowbar and he starts like ripping the molding off The the door frame that goes between the basement to stairwell up to his kitchen and I'm like I stop the guy said look I don't really need to buy this game I need another game like I need a hole in my head. I've got three this will be my third check socky Why don't you say that a lot lately? Yeah? Yeah, buy that off you know you still have that check socky. Yeah, I do I've got my third check socky Why do I need three? I don't know that you can get more out there there are tough there Those are check sockies are tough games to to get out I had problems getting one out with Rick But um he's right you got to know what you're where you're getting these games in and out of it Wait wait I'll tell you then so I told the guy look I don't need to buy this and he's like You're buying it. He wanted this money and it wasn't that much money And so he just starts I mean he goes nuts. He starts taking the old you know the nicely-case door Apart that leads to his kitchen. He starts just taking a part like a wild man with this crowbar Yeah, but you would have used a hammer instead of that crowbar Well, he got I mean we only had a half inch despair, but I got the game out They get the house back together. Yeah, oh and this was the funny thing I originally told I air I'll spill out the numbers I told him I would give them between five and six hundred dollars for the game and When and actually came time to pay him Which was before he ripped the door apart. I only had five hundred and seventy five dollars with me because I told them between five and six You know I didn't mean six well he thought that meant six and of course me that meant five So I brought enough money in my eye and to him I didn't bring enough money So I stole a lot of twenty five dollars and I'm like pushing this thing in the car I'm like grandpa get that frickin thing started get out of here as quick as possible I'd not give him that twenty five and I'm like yelling out the back see Yeah, I was like what's my twenty five dollars? I work off that twenty five bucks. How did you bother that off any other services? No other services, you know lie So other things you should consider and I know I have a stairwell with a With a base that I pre-measured and made a template for any kind of game that I know how I can put it on this template I know the size of largest footprint this thing can make spend this game around and move it around So those are things you got to you got landings and that you got to know what your size is and before you make some crazy Purchase another thing you got to consider is is wait you should really research weight of of some of the games like Woodrails aren't usually too bad. I've taken a thirties wood rail apart myself Take the play field out and I've taken the game down myself That's another thing you should consider doing is to reduce your weight you can disassemble the game You can remove the head off of the you know these new solid state Games not many people usually do that they take them intact But you can take the head off and wait you don't need to take the head off sure I mean no no all you got to do on the new solid states where the games where the head slide it down the stairs No, no all you do is loosen the head and rotate the head 90 degrees that way you don't have to disconnect all the wiring But that's still I mean I'm talking about reducing weight in certain I'm talking about not be able to get it through a doorway I'm talking about reducing weight if you have people that are worried about hurting themselves taking Games that's what I'm not having your fricking grandpa mold my games for me down in the basement once the last time He moved the haunted house down the flight of stairs. Well that head comes off. That one's not a big deal I'll never mind I took a haunted house completely a part it took the playfields out took the cabinet through the head apart and reassemble it Just because I was tired. I'm getting tired of moving games I'm getting to be real old and I don't want to kill myself I most kill two people with the jukeboxes. So you really should should research the weight a pinball machine Two to three people to move one of those up and down apply the stairs the jukebox Three people and a hand card a good hand card something with stair climbers and Industrial one like something at U-Haul that you go and rent for about ten bucks Yeah, I don't know about moving jukeboxes, but I'll tell you this you put on about a hundred pounds And it's a lot easier to counterbalance yourself against a pinball machine I pull those things up a flight as stairs now with no problem. What's your heart is not the same? You're gonna lose you're gonna have a heart attack doing it I bought a wood rail from a lady once and didn't bring a hand truck with me of course and I Buy myself took the game all apart and and and moved it up her out of her basement stairs all by myself because she was like a hundred years old And you know, I mean what I did is I bear hugged I set the body headless and legless on its butt Set it up and I would bear hug it and lift it up one stair at a time one stair at a time by bear hugging it and bringing it up Each of the basement stairs. Okay, that's even dumb in my eyes. Okay Yeah, I think I think you should have just taken the play field out glass out and taking it out in power So this lady was scaring me. I just couldn't get out of it. I want you to kick your ass. She's a hundred years old No, no, I mean not that kind of like she was sharpening knives while I was the Sharpening knives while I'm moving this thing out of there I just couldn't I wanted to get out of there as quick as possible. Well, I bought a Seaburg jukebox the bigger one. Alright, well just they make and I almost kill two people draw I could have dropped this on another thing is bowlers or another thing You want to have three people moving a bowler when you're taking a band box likely took and Shaggy didn't get it was Shaggy left because he had a Booth back and he had five people lifting this thing had to be over 700 pounds three people pushing it from the back It just people don't let people know what this is it was a music box one of those ones like the Marvin collects that has like a Giant compressor in it. Yeah, and the thing like you know, it's like You know It was huge and we waited a ton I knew what I couldn't get out of there quick enough and a bunch of people that saw that on eBay You can't fathom how big this thing is it's amazing. No, and that wasn't even what I was talking about Eric that thing That wasn't this thing was like that times a hundred what we're talking about So looking at that thing weight six to seven hundred pounds and now top cast is happy to present I survived just a baby Presented by the man with all the answers Hey everyone, it's curved with a quick system 80 tech tip This tip has to do with dip switches mounted on the CPU board and line of four packs of eight switches Most system 80 CPU mounted feature adjustable dip switches are blue and color and work fairly well But in the Mars God of War era you can sometimes find red dip switches These red switches are junk and should be replaced without even bothering to test them They work spotty at best and will give you headaches when trying to figure out what's going on when the game starts doing odd things Just replace them with modern dip switches and be done with it It's a good idea to test all the dip switches and switch dials at the same time with the CPU board out CPU board is gonna be out more than once anyway, so take a few minutes to perform these tests Close all the dip switches and put your digital multimeter in diode test Test each diode through the dip switch any abnormal reading should have the focus to put on either part as being defective Don't forget to check out the system 80 repair guides and the great this old pinball DVDs at marvin3m.com Chuchegin email if you have a system 80 tech tip you want us to cover All right, we're back norm are you finished with your damn story? No, we got more to talk about oh come on No, I'm the tools that you got to take it. Oh please normally said people know this stuff. They don't you get well Fine you don't want to talk about it Eric come back Eric. Where are you? Where are you going come back Eric some put this guy on it? It's right picking up white castles I'm going home normal shut up Just tell us the hatchback story mr. Shaggy. Oh, how you broke the hatch On your car on your wife's car because you loaded up a Gun game it was a gun game. We went over a guy's place here in Detroit and he had I don't know We were buying a couple gun games and a pinball and I basically called Rob and Norm I called on my friends because they all had to take at least one game one way or another they were taking a game Only one guy showed up and that was me I didn't get a game came he took a game, but I didn't get it. Hey well you sure of it's not my fault You were bitching and moaning about somebody died or something. I don't remember what it was But just a friend yeah cold-hearted Bitches that way you're gonna say thanks. Yeah fun to mind died So it was more important to go move an old moldy Mildude game out of a guy's basement. They've been there for 25 years walk out though. Yeah, it was a walk out basement Well anyway, so this is gun game and Norm's looking at it going That isn't gonna fit in there and I'm like it's gonna fit in the back of my hatchback car It's gonna fit. Why wouldn't it fit? You know when he keeps telling me it wouldn't because you want it to fit So that's why it's supposed to fit well anyways So I get the thing in there and we're pushing in prod and but a third of it is hanging out the back Right when you say easily a third? Well you couldn't shut the ass properly Right I couldn't shut the hatch so we tied it down with a bunch of rags and Other crap and then I driving down the expressway 696 and the hatch was kind of bobbing a little bit bobbing a little bit Yeah, and it was raining and it's fine no one wants to hear me anyway. Yeah, well Why don't I want to tell this story? So he's driving down the expressway in the rain and his hatchbacks is Explodes and he's driving 65 And then he gave some cocka made me story to his wife how you know this glass broke on his car And I don't know. What was it? What did you what was your name? Excuse? No comment thank you. He was too strong and he just shut it too hard And shattered that tempered glass, you know, this is why I don't want to have anything to try It won't stop we're running in that. So Some guess is we're out to you by pinball life give your pinball machine new life with parts from pinball life We should pinball parts world one pinball life is located in the drinks in each Chicago Their number is 777-202-87-9-8 We have an open door Ryan Policky and you're welcome to call us with your questions and concerns 80M to 5pm, central zone, one native Friday The website is at pinballlife.com Pinball life. No assholes just the parts you need then Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the arcade Hi people it's the corner welcome to this week's version of the conundrum Here's how the game works. I give 10 clues about a game's identity That's up to the listeners that's you to call in and guess what game it is. Pretty simple right? If nobody gets it I keep giving more and more clues until someone nails it What is this week's prize shaggy This week's prizes this whatever crap we got I got kuffy protectors. I got top cast stickers. I've got all kinds of Shiong Yeah, yeah, yeah, DVD number one this game uses the Brian Schmidt mouse trap 2000 or BSMT 2000 sound system Accordingly the sounds on this game were done by Brian Schmidt. It's a black hole Number two this game was designed by the monthly committee of Joe Kaminkow head subula Lonnie Robin lineman sheets She can you who's it made number three? You know your pinball history. You know that with those people in the design team That means that this game must be a data east or a Sega machine And I'm not gonna tell you which because it doesn't matter because they're the same company You know that for during multiball this game shows animations of big-breasted women huckaing clowns I'm not making it up. It really does show that oh black hole and fluid number five as usual Listen homies a whole bunch of sounds from this game in no particular order What is someone gonna be for no idea black hole Oh Think you know what it is Call in take it given the phone over just in case they forgot 1 800 and that's 1 800 give us a call and let us know what you think it is so normed. Do you know what it is? I haven't been listening to the sub sorry But we may have so many might be Nobody could have called that one is Okay, here we go. Let's get it. We're gonna take the first caller. Here we go Hello, you're on the air on top cast Hi, this is Ethan. Hi Ethan. Where are you from? I have a guest sure is it not the who's Tommy? Oh my god Was that too was it too easy? Well, we heard the extra extra we heard some Christmas because we love the album thought of the who live So we need a song For you you know you got the stamp thing first try good for you. What do you want? What prize? Yeah? We know Ethan. We got we got cliffy protectors. We got top DVDs. We got pins and pins DVDs We've got top cast stickers What what's your heart's desire? Um, thinking classic protectors. Do you have ram protectors? I don't think I have I only have old protectors. We've also got the system system 11 showcase too The famous hyper thin cliffy protectors Who's sending the earthshaker protectors right now? Yeah good. So is there anything there that you want? Uh, I think Got AFM protectors got one house except for the ramp But I'll just email him let you know because I think about it. Okay. Well, let us know Let us know what you want, but thank you for Ethan for calling. I appreciate it. What are you calling? We're from northern Virginia. Northern Virginia. What does it look like out there? Is it snowing or raining or what? Pouring. It's pouring good. Very bad. Now norm is it? No, I'm gonna get that big story here. I'm just looking out for these people in the pinball world. You could care less about them All right, take care Ethan. All right, you too. Bye All right, well, you know, I almost feel bad. I'm gonna have to run now. They're remaining Clues just because we corn put so much work into these Clue number six a few of these machines spent a brief period on Broadway Oh that may be part of type machines had six bumpers production machines have only three Clue number eight This game features a union jacked prominently on the plane field Now he's just given a whole place away Dominant color is yellow Who number 10 this game features a disco ball for a topper. Oh, guess who with that? Give him the phone numbers to say forgot. No, they had the phone number once already You People are gonna need to call in again for other stupid things or yeah Maybe they can give us a stupid story of them moving a game and tell us one of their best If you want to call in with a tech question or with one of your goofy moving games If it's good enough, we'll give you give you a price. Yeah, there you go 1-800-375-2529 okay, you can give you can give us a call 1-800-375-2529 No super secret access code anymore. No, we're not doing that this time. Okay, here's the answer to the commendium this week Tommy by dot dot east I like that. I like it when he does this until next week. This is the corn signing up hoping you had fun playing Corn He does a great job. He really does much better than me or you Yeah, yeah, no that was really well done. I like that. That was nice corn I mean I you gotta put you gotta give corner a thumbs up on that one. What do you what do you think here? I thought it was great. He does such a good job all the time You know and I just come over here to drink the diet pop He's one of my favorite is more like it. He's one of my favorite vegetables All right, here we go. We're gonna take it. Hi. Welcome to Topcast. Hi, pal Ow. Yes. Yes. I have a I have a stupid moving moving story Ow, I'm gonna put you on hold hold on a second. Okay, hold on Hi, how are you? I'm on to you. I'm on to you are too How's it going good? Yeah, we met in Chicago. You want a goofy moving story? Sure. Yeah We went to Kalamazoo and In a mini in a mini Cooper With two adults and two kids So that we wouldn't buy a machine Yeah, I'm purpose then under like many to that on purpose last year so that we wouldn't buy a bimbal machine And let me guess you bought one No, instead we got a flop machine that wouldn't fit in the mini So would you do drag it behind it? I'm like little four little casters. Oh, we took it apart We jammed half in the trunk and half in between the front seat the back seat the two kids in the back seat in the adult and We cross back into Canada and the border looked at us like we were stupid What did you how did you declare that we told them it was timball parts And did they buy it? Yeah, we went right through and they didn't have to pay any duty. No lucky you because it's made in the US, right? No, they're imports from Japan or something Oh So they wouldn't in theory you should have paid tax right we should pay them we're reporting you right now Yeah, they just let us through we're sending this to the customers That's a good story do we get his name and we find the stupidest one and then reward him or you're gonna give him some Yeah, you know what some me and emails shaggy at marvin3m.com and we'll send you some Topcast stickers. Okay, cool. I know that's not you know a big prize, but well we got a send it across the border It's not like I'm gonna send you anything you know you right some of DVD. Well you gave me DVDs at Chicago. Oh, okay. Well good then, you know, you're good for you. We'll send you some stickers Okay, all right, man, thanks. All right, bye. Let's see let's see the owl state How you still there? I'm still here. We get we get to hang and but give us your story out Well, I was at this auction and I met these people people who would remind their first game It was a rocky and bow-winkle and I'm saying there Look at them and they just bought it and I was like, you know how you getting home? They said well, we got a van. I said okay So first thing you want to do is take off the antlers on the top so they don't get broken so I they did that And I said to them now the first next thing you want to do is you want to bend the head down You want to put a strap around it and then you want to take the bag legs off and then you want to put it Put it down the ground then take the front legs off So I come back about a half hour later and I see the game sitting up on the top of two folding chairs And I'm looking at it. I walk over looking at it No legs on just sitting there with these two folding chairs and it's on the on the back You know the part your back goes against it's actually sit up on top of them and I'm like I'm just trying to figure what are they going to do now I mean I just can't figure out they're going to get it out of here. So I walked away. I just walked away That's nice nice guy Yeah, yeah, so you didn't like give him any help I would put the link back on and start all over. Yeah, they could have done that but you know it was funny. I thought it was funny Well, that's good out. They were poor. It was really. That's my story. That's what you are norm So okay, well he takes out sure no problem. All right, take care. You know they're not Armenian Well, it's again if you want to call in with one of your stories or you got a tech question or anything Well, wait, we're going to take a call right now. Okay, here we come Hi, you're on top cast. Hey, go ahead. It's corn Okay, I have a dumb moving story and it doesn't even involve a vehicle. Okay, go on Okay, I have my high speed in my living room is back when I lived in an apartment and I bought another game So I had to kick it into my second bedroom and I'd never moved But I wait wait, you just wait wait, corn hold out a second Just hold on don't go anywhere. Hold on. Okay. Hello. Are you on top cast? Hi, I was I was wondering a Cheggy Eric and norm what's your favorite pinball game from the 70s 80s and 90s and from 2000 until now You know name name one for me. Check that case size black hole That's air game for all time. It's just black hole. Yeah, why is that your favorite Eric? It's not my favorite. I just like saying it I would say I would say let me see mine would be a fireball Probably a haunted house and Monsterfish You got anything from the current from you know from stern and its current lineup Now that's your key that's stern, but I'll give me some time. I'll think about it. Okay. I'll give you mine Mine is 4 million BC from the 70s I would have to fantastic to 4 million BC from the 80s. Let me think from the 80s Doesn't do a lot for me, but I probably say bonds I run would be from the 80s from the 90s Everybody's gonna laugh at me. They are just gonna laugh when I say this. I like that this canyon And then from the current stern lineup Um Let's see the current stern line. I don't you know, I actually kind of like the family guy thing to be honest with you I kind of do what about you Eric? Well from let's start with the current stern is my favorite is Lord of the Rings and I'm I know everybody like Simpsons