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Pinball Party Podcast Ep 16: Gutter Language

The Pinball Network·video·43m 1s·analyzed·Jan 25, 2023
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TL;DR

Pinball Party Ep 16 covers secondary market FOMO drama, game acquisitions, art design opinions, and competitive pinball growth.

Summary

Jason (host of Pinball Party Podcast) discusses feedback, community interactions, and recent pinball news including a detailed rant about a frustrating Jurassic Park secondary market transaction and a U-Haul rental mishap. He covers Nudge Magazine's quality, his Lord of the Rings LE acquisition, Bond and Star Wars art design philosophy, Star Wars code update 1.23, and anticipation for upcoming releases like Scooby-Doo and Bond LE. He also celebrates the INDISC tournament's record 15,000 Twitch viewers.

Key Claims

  • Someone listed a stock Jurassic Park Premium for $10,000 on the secondary market, citing rumors of a Stern price increase.

    high confidence · Jason describes a concrete example from his own experience negotiating with a seller who was using FOMO tactics.

  • Star Wars pinball received code update version 1.23 that fixed skill shot mechanics and hyperspace multiball interactions.

    high confidence · Jason reads directly from the official Stern sternpinball.com readme file detailing the update.

  • The INDISC tournament achieved a record 15,000 concurrent viewers on Twitch.

    high confidence · Jason reports this as recently happened, framing it as significant for competitive pinball.

  • Carl D'Angelo recently achieved Twitch partner status, which is significant for the pinball community.

    high confidence · Jason congratulates D'Angelo on the milestone, noting it will help grow pinball on Twitch.

  • Nudge Magazine issue 2 ('Get Him While They're Hot') has been released and features quality articles on arcade culture.

    high confidence · Jason describes reading it cover-to-cover and recommends it, with specific mention of an article on location currency types.

  • Lord of the Rings LE pinball contains an Easter egg (golden dick-shaped element in artwork) that Jason's wife found on inspection.

    high confidence · Jason records a video segment where his wife (Dana) spots the Easter egg after being asked to look for something on the playfield.

  • Tilt Pinball Bar in Minneapolis will have Bond LE on location.

    high confidence · Jason mentions this as confirmed knowledge while discussing Bond LE availability.

Notable Quotes

  • “Now, it's bad enough that we have a lot of the fear of missing out the FOMO in the pinball market, just from limited editions and toppers and things only being run and final round. But when it creeps into the used market, oh my god, get fucking wrecked.”

    Jason @ ~12:00 — Core thesis about secondary market FOMO being worse than new release FOMO

  • “I'm pretty deep in the hobby. I even do a pinball podcast... I do know what I'm talking about.”

    Jason @ ~15:30 — Jason leveraging credibility in his negotiation with the Jurassic Park seller

  • “The moral of that story is just get a game delivered to your house. Don't be a cheap piece of shit like me. Figure it out.”

    Jason @ ~30:00 — Self-deprecating conclusion to the U-Haul rental saga

  • “I think in a franchise with that many movies like Bond, I think the right call is to use the posters. Whether that is the licensor or not, again, this is my opinion. as a movie fan... I think that a fan of that many movies would love to see the art, the posters of that film franchise.”

    Jason @ ~45:00 — Defense of Bond LE poster-based sideart against criticism; broader philosophy on licensed game aesthetics

  • “Is that a dick? Why is that there?”

    Dana (Jason's wife) @ ~52:00 — Reaction to Lord of the Rings LE Easter egg upon discovery

  • “Scooby, oh this one looks like it could skyrocket them we'll see it could be the other side, right? Who knows?”

    Jason @ ~62:00 — Cautious optimism about Spooky Pinball's Scooby-Doo release potential

  • “In pinball, in disc, 15,000 people is so good. It's so good for the hobby. It's great for competition.”

    Jason @ ~75:00 — Contextualizing the significance of INDISC viewership record for pinball community growth

Entities

JasonpersonZach SharpepersonIan JacobipersonKale HernandezpersonWaxpersonCarl D'AngelopersonDanapersonJeff S.personAJperson

Signals

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    event_signal: INDISC tournament achieved record 15,000 concurrent Twitch viewers, representing significant growth milestone for competitive pinball visibility.

    high · Jason contextualizes viewership: 'In pinball, in disc, 15,000 people is so good. It's so good for the hobby. It's great for competition.' Notes this compares favorably to typical pinball streamer numbers (150 concurrent viewers on good nights).

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jason advocates for poster-based sideart on licensed games (Bond, Star Wars, Harry Potter) as more thematically appropriate than character-focused artwork, representing broader aesthetic debate in pinball community.

    medium · Jason's extended argument: 'I think in a franchise with that many movies like Bond, I think the right call is to use the posters... I think that a fan of that many movies would love to see the art, the posters of that film franchise.'

  • $

    market_signal: Spooky Pinball's Scooby-Doo positioning as potential franchise-establishing release after mixed reception to Rick and Morty; community optimism tied to game's visual presentation and design quality.

    medium · Jason: 'I want it to be the one that says hell yeah all right spooky on the map like tna kind of put him on the map rick and morty... scooby oh this one looks like it could skyrocket them.'

  • $

    market_signal: Bond LE availability constraints: not yet in widespread locations; only confirmed location is Tilt Pinball Bar in Minneapolis; limited distribution compared to standard releases.

    medium · Jason: 'When is it going to get there? It's not out, right? I haven't seen any gameplay... I know Tilt in Minneapolis is getting one on location.'

  • $

Transcript

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0:00
The Pinball Network is online. Launching. Pinball Party. Alright, I guess Mef has prepared something. He's gonna start us off this time. Mef, take it away.
0:22
Nice. Hell yeah, man. I mean that melody is pretty great it's uh like second master system era but uh with a lot of fucks at it but uh all right let's just let's roll with it Welcome to episode 16 of the Pinball Party Podcast. This is Jason. And you know, I've been looking to stop using demos over and over, and maybe we can use them if made, but a few less fucks, maybe.
1:08
Or maybe not. While we don't give any fucks, we do have fucks. So if you came for fucks, Pinball Party's got your back. For everything fuck-related and pinball-related, keep listening. What do we have this week, aside from the ramblings of a severely bored person who works at a software company, plays a lot of pinball, spends most of his time agonizing over lyrics and melodies, and then once in a while records one of these? Well, what we have is pinball news. we got some feedback plenty of emails my god the amount of feedback is phenomenal to everyone who has wrote in is thinking of writing in or will never write in bless your heart I appreciate you listening thanks for the kind words thanks for the unkind words thanks for the links thanks for the jokes just thanks for being a part of this we aim to have a good time and just hang out you know party the name of the podcast pinball party podcast so again thanks for coming that's what she said thanks for listening to the word fuck uh i think we've had it a record number of times thus far and uh you know we'll keep going those numbers are just going to go up speaking of feedback let's answer the question that a few of you got right thanks for writing in a couple of you were agonizing over what oh what is the answer oh It's right at the tip of my tongue. Here you go. You're offering me a bribe. What you have just done is illegal. And in this state, if convicted, you could be fined up to $5,000 or spend six months in a correctional facility.
Nateperson
Flippin' Out Pinballcompany
Stern Pinballcompany
Nudge Magazineproduct
Pinball Party Podcastproduct
Tilt Pinball Barcompany
Star Wars Pinballgame
Lord of the Rings LEgame
Bond LEgame
Jurassic Park Premiumgame
Scooby-Doo Pinballgame
The Pinball Networkorganization
Pinsideorganization

market_signal: Secondary market Jurassic Park Premium listed at $10,000 stock price, with seller citing rumors of future Stern price increases to justify FOMO markup on used machine.

high · Jason's detailed account of negotiating with seller who refused $9,400 offer for stock Jurassic Park Premium, citing reliable rumors of price increase and suggesting game wouldn't be reproduced until 2024.

  • ?

    product_strategy: Star Wars pinball code update 1.23 addresses skill shot mechanics and hyperspace multiball interactions, suggesting post-release refinements to core gameplay systems.

    high · Official Stern readme showing fixes: 'Player will now get another chance at a skill shot if the ball drains on the right and escape was lit' and 'Completing hyperspace hurry-up will no longer start hyperspace multiball if any wizard mode is running.'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Carl D'Angelo achieved Twitch partner status, signaling platform's growing support for pinball content creators and infrastructure maturation.

    high · Jason congratulates D'Angelo and notes: 'For those of you who don't know, that's a big deal, especially for pinball. It's going to help grow the hobby, get more eyes on it.'

    • 2:49
    Oh, please. No, that was dumb. I was just making conversation. Forget it. Cable guy. Jim Carrey. Very underrated comedy. Because it came out, you know, when he was doing The Big Three, Ace Ventura, The Mask, Dumb and Dumber. Everyone expected it to be this very slapstick humor. And this is a very dark humor, but very, if you haven't watched it, I guess since the 90s, 96, revisit that shit. It's very, very, very funny. And I think it just gets better with age. So there was the kind of trivia, if you will, last time when I said Correctional Facade, write in. I'll tell you who got it right. At least the first one that wrote in to get it right. I'll just give the initials, you know, for the sake of privacy, AJ. He wrote in simply saying, cable guy, I win. Send me a new song, which I did. I sent him a piano version of the Neon Dale song Faded. Faded is the number one track on Cosmic, which you can find on Spotify, Amazon Music. You know, again, the Internet, you can find it. Speaking of writing in, Jeff S. wrote in actually a trilogy of emails. I'll read a couple parts of a couple of them. The last episode was called Not Dead and Not Edited. He looked at the episode name and thought out loud, saying not edited is an unusual way to say what you haven't done yet. Almost universally, writers would say unedited. Quote, unedited is a real word you can check in Webster, while not edited is gutter language.
    4:32
    He's not wrong. And I've never heard the term gutter language, and now I'm going to overuse it because that is hilarious. Jeff then continues, after episode 15.5 of the Pinball Party podcast where I talked only about Bond, he said, Hearing your Bond podcast was meaningful because I had one ordered and in route. Over the next three months, code will get up to speed, and it can be adjusted any time. The game is great fun because of the layout and flow, loves the theme, and won't be too harsh a critic on the final code. I like it, though, now. And I totally agree. He kept everything off talking about the FOMO. You know, I kind of mentioned and complained a little bit about FOMO in the pinball market, which, hey, you know, it's both there in the dealers and it's there in the private market. You know, that's one of those things, you know, let's get right into figure it out. Figure it out. Now, it's bad enough that we have a lot of the fear of missing out the FOMO in the pinball market, just from limited editions and toppers and things only being run and final round. I mean, I get it. I don't like it and I hate it. I shouldn't say it. I don't like it. I hate it. There you go.
    5:35
    But when it creeps into the used market, oh my god, get fucking wrecked. I have had people that... Here's a prime example. Here's a very concrete example. Last week, someone had a game listed for... Let's just be real. They had a Jurassic Park listed for $10,000. Jurassic Park Premium. Excuse me. now that's a little high um coming from someone who just sold a jurassic park premium this year's built with the armor and the shooter rod and art blades and the shaker motor and 3d all that for ten thousand dollars and uh that was is what i bought it for it's what i sold it for that's kind of roughly you know kind of you get what you put into it on that one he wanted ten thousand for a stock game. And I was like, eh, you know, so here's what happens. I sell a game. I'm like, oops, shouldn't have sold it. I miss it. I want to buy it again. Repeat. There's my life, right? So I find this guy and I was like, yo, I'll give you 9,400. And you know, I was nice about it. No, thanks. I'm firm at 10. And then I'll read it. He says, thank you so much for your interest. I'm going to stay at 10,000 on this Jurassic Park. I'm hearing reliable rumors of another stern price increase which will likely affect the next round of jp premium production whenever that'll be the game is dead mint in every way and hasn't been played hard heck i even turned down my kickoff power to keep wear down please give it some thought i can help load the game yada yada so since he was so honest and forthcoming about all these words and telling me about the fact that they're not gonna run it until 2024 and he has a reliable source they're gonna i was like okay, well, here's my honest and forthcoming answer. I'm pretty deep in the hobby. I even do a pinball podcast and I told the name just for, you know, I'm not using this to brag. I'm just saying just so you know what I'm about to say, I do know what I'm talking about. I told them, you know, they are going to rerun it mid-year. You can get it probably to your door about $9,700 without tax and all that and don't have to move. I'm just, you know, a little impatient and willing to give you a very fair offer of $9,400 and I'll come pick it up. Cash. I've owned the game twice in the past and I just miss it. And by the way, the price increase you're talking about happened about 23 days ago.
    7:57
    Crickets! Of course! Crickets! What is he going to say? Well, then a couple hours later he does say no worries at all, I wish you the best and tremendously appreciate your interest. Dude, get fucked! Oh my god. Again, it's bad enough that dealers are doing this, but then people in the secondary market, you know, I wouldn't have said anything if he wouldn't have doubled down on these paragraphs of the reasons I should be happy that he's trying to rate me on the price. And I'm like, dude, okay, man. I was cordial. I was like, yeah, thanks, but no thanks. But my wife had to talk me out of all the responses that I started to type of what I was going to say.
    8:34
    But, yeah, thank God she did. But, hey, dude out there, I'm going to give you a few of these. Figure it out. Oh, that one really fucking pissed me off. Someone else who needs to figure it out is U-Haul. Figure it out. Now, I bought a brand new pinball machine from Flippin' Out Pinball recently. Bye, bye, bye. Thanks again, Zach. The transaction was perfect. Everything was perfect. And everything I'm about to say has nothing to do with Flippin' Out. But as some people know, sometimes you can cut a little off the top if you get it delivered to a terminal as opposed to your house. meaning the box gets delivered to a local FedEx, let's say, and you drive and you pick it up. So if you have a big enough vehicle or you have a friend with a truck, just go pick it up and you save a little bit. And that's what I did. I was like, yeah, why not? You know, I do this way too much. Let me save just a tad. And Zach so kindly shipped it out and it came two days later, super fast. It was awesome.
    9:33
    And the reason I had him pick it up or send it to a terminal was because when I bought it, I was in band practice and Nate, who's got a truck, was like, yeah, We can just go in my truck and pick it up. I'm like, sweet. Let's do that. Otherwise, I would have just had it shipped to my house. Day comes. I text Nate. Well, I mean, to his defense, it was a couple days early. And none of this is against Nate. Nate's one of my best friends. I said, hey, yeah, it's going to be there tomorrow morning. Can we get it?
    10:04
    Crickets. Okay. And he's one of those fast texters who usually texts back. So next morning, I'm like, hey, man, I'm not trying to be rude. but you got that truck, bruh? Let's go pick it up. He's like, ah, nah. My family's sick, sick kid, work stuff, all these legitimate reasons. And he's like, I'm so sorry. You can come get the truck. Nah, nah, nah, I have other ways. It's totally fine. And my other way is just to rent a U-Haul truck for like 20 bucks. It's like a mile from my house. It's on the way to the terminal. It's really not a big deal. It's still saving money. So cool, I'll just go pick up a U-Haul truck, go grab it. It's so fast. It's nothing. I go to U I step up to the counter actually this is what happened first I went to the eye doctor because I had an eye doctor appointment You know they put the juice in your eyes that make them bug eyes and your pupils are the size of planets And you can't see that well, but you can see. So on my way back from that doctor appointment, I could have done the smart thing and gone home, gone on the Internet, make sure they have one in stock. I was like, nah, I'll just swing by on the way home. and I so I step up to the counter and I did see one in the parking lot so I was pretty confident like hey this nice young lady do you have a pickup truck I could rent and she you know checks yeah we do we have one left I was like great and I'm talking to her you know get your license out normally when it's done online I do this ahead of time but again I was just swinging by with my bug eyes and let me get one of these I'm in there and while I'm checking out there's another guy to my left who just comes in a couple minutes after me and he starts checking out something else whatever and right at the end the the the clerk to the left of me to the right of her right when we were about to check i was like oh oh oh uh excuse me are you renting a truck i was like yeah and she looks at him like yeah he's like yeah i just promised it to this guy and i'm like okay uh so at that point the guy who was trying to rent one and the two clerks all think the best solution to this problem is to ask me, who was there first, if I would be willing to drive this guy's pressurized gas tank about five miles in the other direction and they'd give me like 10 bucks to do it. And in my head, I'm just screaming like, what is wrong with all three of you in this situation? But I'm a nice guy. I'm Wisconsin nice or whatever, you know, and I'm like, oh, no, it's cool. You can have it. I just bend over. I just take it like, no, you can just take the truck because I'm more like I don't want to deal with three people who are clearly just inhuman uh i would rather just not be in this situation and so and the guy's like oh thanks bro thanks like yeah dude you just fucking rammed me but okay uh but luckily they're like oh well we do have a um you know it's like 10 or 20 foot i'm fucking no 15 foot i don't want anything closed you know not a pickup truck just an actual you know a u-haul that you picture and i'm like yeah that's fine like we'll give you that for the same mileage, same price. I'm like, really? Not a big deal. Appreciate it. That's totally fine. Cool. All right. Well, let's do it again. All right. Pull the license back out. Sign this paper. Do the whole process again. I'm like, whatever. Small price to pay. At least I feel good about being nice to the guy. He's got my truck. All right. Give me the keys. It's around back. Go get it. Cool. I go out there. I get in the truck. I turn it on and I try to go. And keep in mind, I'm in Wisconsin. Lots of snow, lots of ice. I can't go because there's ice under this thing. It's like dug in. For those who know, you know, when you kind of create the ice from spinning wheels, that's what's happening at this point. So I try to rock it back and forth. Anyone who's driven in snow and ice knows this method. Go back and forth. Back and forth. I look, getting a little bit, and nah, not happening. So I'm stuck. They suddenly hear me spinning my tires. The two clerks, again, that screwed me in the ass, remember, they come out and they're like, oh, shit, sorry, man. Let me, you know, they give me like the little hand motion to wait a second. I'm like, okay, cool. They go back in. I see them come out with a big piece of cardboard, like a pinball box-sized piece of cardboard. We're going to put it under this one wheel that's spinning. And it's like, again, someone who's used to snow knows that that's something you sometimes do to get traction under the tire. So they come out here, and they put it under the tire. And they're like, all right. And they give me the thumbs up, like, all right, you know, push the gas. Now, mind you, I've lived in Wisconsin my whole life. I know that when you say push the gas, you don't slam on it because it's going to spin. You just gently give it. So I gently give it. And what happens? That cardboard shoots about 30 feet in the fucking air behind the truck. So no traction. I mean, a traction, but it shot it out its ass. All right. They go try it again, thinking this time it'll be better. Figure it out. Nope. 30 feet again. Way back. Cool. Then they go back in the place. They come out, and they got a bunch of snow salt. You know, so they're out there sprinkling the salt everywhere and trying to melt the ice underneath the tires. And we'll do it this way. and then they ask out of nowhere, oh yeah, can you check the mileage on that truck? We forgot to write it down before we rented it out to you. Remember, I can't see shit because I was just at the doctor's. Can you remind us of the mileage on this one? I'm like, oh, I start just making shit up to try to pass the time. I'm like, I can't. I'm just, oh, it's one second. Oh, cool, we'll get it, whatever. Try it again. I spin it, nothing. This goes on for a good 10, 20 minutes. Their solution, again, was for me to sit in there and try to rev it while they're putting various things under these tires when I just wanted this truck that this other guy had. I'm like, oh, fine, we'll just come back in and we'll give you another one. Can you write down those numbers before you come in? I can't see. So I just don't. I don't write down the mileage. I don't write down shit. I go back in. Let's do the same process again. Let me get your license. Let me get your emergency contest. Let me sign this thing. Blah, blah, blah. I finally get a U-Haul that works. I go pick up my pinball machine. Everything worked great. Jesus. Figure it out, you all. Figure it out. The moral of that story is just get a game delivered to your house. Don't be a cheap piece of shit like me. Figure it out. On the other side of the figure it out fence, there's someone who's got it very, very figured out. And that is Nudge Pinball. Oh, yeah. Heard of him? Maybe. If you've listened to this podcast, you've heard of Doc Monday, Cale Hernandez, multiple, multiple guests. In fact, I would classify them as honorary hosts. They recently released issue number two, Get Him While They're Hot. Are they sold out? They might not have a ton. I'm not FOMOing your ass. I just don't know if they have a lot. Anyway, Doc's been hard at work shipping them out. I've got one. I've read it cover to cover. It's fantastic. There's great articles. There's great art. I'm not going to read anything from it because I think you guys should get it. Again, NudgePinball.com, issue number two. The cover is fantastic. It feels fantastic. It's one of those magazines you just want to hold. But I do want to read something from a post that Doc put out on January 20th titled, Quarters, Cards, or Tokens? What a Location's Currency Says About Them. It's a great article. I'd go and read it if I were you. But I'm not you, so I'll do you the favor of reading just a little snippet. Let's go down to tokens. We'll skip the little talk about quarters and tokens. Arcades, broocades, and Chuck E. Cheese-ass kind of spots. Tokens are fun. They're bulky and they always smell kind of weird. That's true But they're nostalgic and good design on a token means something like that means that this location has to borrow a phrase from the poets Put a little extra thought into how their shit looks. I love a good token I don't go as far as to say I collect them But i'll definitely hold on to a good token way longer than I should did I mention they smell funny definitely did but worth stating again Why does every token smell like it's a cup holder penny jesus christ figure that out people i'm gonna end it there and dude last time i read this i didn't even pick up on that if that was a you know a nod to the show or not it probably wasn't probably just have my head up my own ass but you my friends over at nudge pinball.com both from nudge number two magazine go buy it and your recent article on quarters cards and tokens what a locations currency says about them get this week's highest honor of having things in the world of pinball figured out what else has been going on well i know last week i totally kept calling the q shot on james bond a vuck idiot it's not a vuck it's a scoop so there's a little correction for those who didn't write in thank you for those who did fuck off uh in other news i did finally get my other grail game my grail game being lord of the rings i got the limited edition yep i did and i bolted that motherfucker for 13 days oh yeah we keep shit real around these parts bolting games get out of here with that but it was good to have a taste of that game you know the game i wanted most what does it feel like to have the game doesn't feel like anything else you get you know you're super excited you have it oh it's my precious right you got it and then like, eh, it's just a thing. But something great did come out of it. A Pinside buddy, Wax, I'll just say that, out of South Dakota, had a great idea. He said, you know what? When you get that game, bring Dana in the room and just ask for her to look for it. And just record it. See what happens. And I know exactly what he was talking about. Like, alright, good call. Let's see what happens. You gotta come look at this. I just want to show you something. Okay.
    19:36
    All right, so what is that? Pinball machine. What pinball machine? Lord of the Rings. It's fancy with gold and all that, right? Yes. It's limited, right? What's my favorite game?
    19:49
    Lord of the Rings. Why is there shit on it? I haven't finished unpacking it. Oh, okay. Okay, so see it's got all this gold like in the back and all that? Mm-hmm. All right, see if you can find it. So where's Waldo? A friend of mine had this idea. Let's see when you find it.
    20:11
    Well, is it hard to find? Maybe, but once you see it... You're looking for something that seems somewhat out of place.
    20:27
    All right, so I'm going to fast forward just about 20 seconds. Otherwise, I'll just hear this music. It didn't take that long, but let's see what she finds.
    20:37
    Is that a dick? Why is that there? Yeah. No. Yeah. How much did you pay for this dick game? I don't want to tell you. Yeah, they call that the golden dick beard.
    21:01
    Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you found it. I did. I didn't even point it out. What do I get? Nothing. Oh. Yeah, again, great idea, man. That turned out better than I could have ever hoped. But, yeah, she saw it. And a couple other friends that were over saw it pretty fast as well. I think it's adorable. For those out there who don't know, you know, I don't want to spoil it for you. Go look at a Lord of the Rings LE Translate online and look for it Yeah just take a look So there your weekly Lord of the Rings mention I bet I mention it in every podcast Ridiculous. So if that's my favorite game theme-wise and the regular version doesn't stay bolted, the LE version doesn't stay bolted, nothing ever will. Right? Maybe.
    21:48
    Last time we talked about Bond a lot. And we, the royal we, right? Just me. um you know i've seen a lot of stuff online more anger and you know did i have a emotional reaction to the price yep as i should anyone who wants to say you shouldn't is i don't know fucking with you it's weird whatever feel however you want right who cares happy sad angry pissed off over the moon great fucking love it man uh but a lot of negative feedback on the art the art is bad on the side. I can't believe there's just posters on the side. You know, if I was a Bond movie fan, I think that's exactly what I would want. Let's say it was a Star Wars game, which I have, and I like the art. I like the art, but if the art was instead all, well, the sequel trilogy is terrible, I'm coming around to like the prequel trilogy, which I think a lot of people have who are Star Wars fans, at least it's not The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker, right? If Star Wars had the posters all around it, I think that art would be way better than the art that is on it now. Because when I think of Star Wars, I think of those posters. The posters are so good. Do I want to see just a big Star Destroyer shooting a TIE fighter? No, no one watches Star Wars for the Star Destroyer shooting a TIE fighter. No, they watch for the Force and the lightsabers and the story and yeah the special effects and the sci-fi but that's just the backdrop to a wonderful story so if it was star wars i would love it to just be lined with posters lord of the rings sure give me all the posters give me maybe not the hobbit movie posters but i'd take like the book covers if they make a harry potter pinball machine the sides of it slather them in posters or book covers i would love it i would like it better than someone at Stern or the licensors saying, you know what I think people want to see is just the side of Harry's face. Yeah, just put his face or just put one giant wand. Just put a big phallic symbol on the side. That's what people want. No, I think in a franchise with that many movies like Bond, I think the right call is to use the posters. Whether that is the licensor or not, again, this is my opinion. as a movie fan, and if this game is for many type of people, rich people, poor people, Bond fans, pinball fans, whoever wants to dictate who this is for, whatever, I think that a fan of that many movies would love to see the art, the posters of that film franchise. My opinion, that's what I would want. But again, art, it's subjective, right? So there's my perspective. Something that needs no subjective perspective is speaking of Star Wars, it got a new code. Yeah. New code for Star Wars. Version 1.23. I was surprised, as probably a lot of you are. Maybe you didn't even know yet. I was part of the owner's thread on Pinside, and I just noticed it. Actually, the day U-Haul jammed me, it got released. So it was a small update, but it tweaked a couple things.
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    Here's what it tweaked. I'll just read it from the official readme on stern.com. sternpinball.com, excuse me. The player will now get a new another... Wait, a new another chance? Well, there is some grammar errors in this. Will get another chance at a skill shot if the ball drains on the right and escape was lit. You will not get this skill shot if something urgent is going on. For example, one of the hurry-ups. Tweaked point number two. Completing hyperspace hurry-up will no longer start hyperspace multiball if any wizard mode is running. and then they moved to system 3.23, update to some firmware, and added a connectivity icon and a couple little tiny things. But yeah, apparently that was a needed update to that specific scenario. I am not in that scenario enough to know how bad it is, but it seems a lot of people are rejoicing. So yeah, if you were unaware, there is a new Stern Star Wars code update, 1.23. And just because we're on the Star Wars note, I tried to give Last Jedi a chance again the other day. nothing to do with pinball but hey star wars let's just keep doing this it was the first star wars movie that i walked out and just thought did i hate that did i just hate what they did to luke did i hate the way it started when he just tosses the saber over his back let's just start this movie out exactly how you don't want it to with your mom jokes and throwing lights ah fuck that movie jesus but i was like it's been a while let me let me give it some time and just fresh perspective. Yep, still shit. Yep, there you go. There's your update. Last Jedi still sucks. So, moving on.
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    Pinball news, pinball news, pinball news. Not a lot. We're still waiting on Scooby-Doo. I... That one just looks so promising out of a lot of the reveals. I don't know. Something just feels good about that. Regardless of how much Kale talks shite about Spooky, it's because we want them to succeed. and not have trash games. But yeah, Scooby just, man, it's the... Again, the theme doesn't really do it for me. It's fine. But that art, it just looks like the complete package. I don't know. Every time I think of the game, I'm just thinking of positive things. I like the way it looks. I like the art. I like the way that the shots kind of look. I love those horseshoe shots. My favorite shot in Star Wars. So fast. There's what, two in Spooky? those could be super badass the upper play field looks good and not too much not too i don't know there's there's something about that game that um i i just want it to be the one that says hell yeah all right spooky on the map like tna kind of put him on the map rick and morty i don't know it's kind of it's fine whatever nothing against the game but it was just the reception and whatever but scooby oh this one looks like it could skyrocket them we'll see it could be the other side, right? Who knows? Same with the Bond LE. We don't know. That's the other thing we're waiting for. The Bond LE. When is it going to get there?
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    It's not out, right? I haven't seen any gameplay. No one on site that I know of. I know Tilt in Minneapolis is getting one on location. If you're in the Minnesota area, Tilt Pinball Bar is going to have a Bond LE. I wonder if they're going to charge more. Maybe a dollar. I think they did a dollar for Big Lebelski, which is totally fine because that game's packed with shit. Play in the waiting game. Let's just play the waiting game together. Waiting for Scooby. Waiting for Bond. Waiting for JJP's announcement. Waiting for CGC's announcement. Waiting for the Pinball Awards this weekend. I'm leaving in a couple days. Going to my father-in-law's. Not that any of you asked, but now you know. And then going to go to the Pinball Awards and see what kind of fucking shenanigans happens at Zach's house. We'll see. You know, I've told a few people that I really want to do an upper decker in his toilet. so if you find something in the top of your toilet that doesn't belong there it wasn't me it was joel tall guy beard just another guy three drains or whatever he's an animal watch your back switching gears to competitive pinball you know i never really talk about competitive pinball and there's a good reason for it because i don't know shit about it aside from what i read online or hearsay or things I hear from podcasts. I have nothing to add. I have no tips. I have no tricks. Maybe we'll have someone on to talk competitive pinball sometime and hear more about points instead of moments and wizard modes and all that. And maybe that'd be cool. Shake things up a little bit. So yeah, if anyone has any thoughts or ideas or wants to talk about competitive pinball or who would be a great guest, let's do that sometime. It's not the top of my list, but I'm not opposed to it. getting a little pinball competition talk into the party. I say all this, of course, or maybe not, of course, to you, but the indisc just happened, and it had a record number of views on Twitch,
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    which is phenomenal. It was like 15,000? Now, that's fucking great. Here's some context. When you see a popular streamer, be it Buffalo, be it LaserLOS, is that what it is? you know, Small Town Pinball, Joel, you name it. You know, you can see usually between 150 to 150 people, and that's on a good night. Nothing against it, but just the market is not the size of, like, video games, for example, where there's 100,000 people on the daily watching someone get their nuts blown off in Fortnite. But in pinball, in disc, 15,000 people is so good. It's so good for the hobby. It's great for competition. It's great for, you know, Carl D'Angelo. Hey, if you're listening, if you're out there, congratulations. I heard you made Twitch partner. For those of you who don't know, that's a big deal, especially for pinball. It's going to help grow the hobby, get more eyes on it. Younger crowd who's on Twitch a lot, and not just the younger crowd. I watch Twitch. Twitch is great. If anyone is opposed to Twitch, like, oh, it's just a bunch of little kids playing video games and taking their shirts off and doing ASMR, you're not far off. But, you know, when do I watch Twitch? usually when I'm like eating, if I'm not eating with, you know, family or doing something else, just toss them some Twitch, watch some pinball, give someone some shit, you know, and it's a good time to just, you know, instead of watching Seinfeld, watch a little pinball. And again, so InDesk having all this great exposure, Carl D'Angelo getting partner, there's just going to be more of it. And it's really, it's nothing but a great thing. So congratulations to InDesk and all the viewers. I'm sorry. I could Google quick the winners and all that. I just didn't watch it. I do know the finals. I guess, was it Keith, Travis, Miri? Hey, man, congrats. That was awesome that I think you're in the final four. God, fucking everyone can correct me. I'm sorry if I'm wrong. I'm not here for your facts of life. I'm just here to party. But I watched a little of it, and apparently the ending was dramatic for Pimbo as a ghost. So yeah, go watch it. The VODs, if you will videos on demand are I believe on Twitch But yeah Again congrats It awesome Let see what happens I do agree with sentiments out there whether I read it online or hear it on other things or just think about it, that what would make competition pinball something that I would watch more is, for real, play games that are from the last 10 years.
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    At the minimum, last 20. Lord of the Rings should be the earliest you're playing. Why? If you want the younger generation, regardless of how great some older games are which they are you have what is the it's like three seconds to grab someone's attention i think is kind of the timing on an on a web page and pay attention to that if someone's on tiktok you know look at this generation for for better for worse you need to grab them quick do you think uh an old gotley let's use water world because i just talk about waterola do you think water world on pinball championship like oh what is this some movie I've never heard of with really terrible art and what the fuck is happening is that gonna work or regardless of your opinion of the game is Star Wars gonna work is Avengers Infinity Quest gonna work you know have it branded with Marvel logos Star Wars logos blasted on the screen people like oh they'll at least maybe give it more than three seconds like oh what is this one I didn't realize that pinball was being streamed two I didn't know there's tournaments and tournaments with well star wars avengers game of thrones lord of the rings holy shit you know theme cell games yes they do in video games yeah to a certain extent video games has such a larger audience that you can get away with uh you know themes they make their own themes in video games dark souls for example all the from software games that didn't start out as some movie or comic book that was created and it was a great game so it created its own theme i would say akin to in pinball how Attack from Mars or Medieval Madness created their own theme. Why doesn't someone make Attack from Mars 2, not Revenge from Mars, but make a sequel to it that's badass? I think, you know, you kind of bridge the gap between original theme and licensed theme. I agree theme is a huge driver, but I think there's a little nuance to it. But going back to a tournament, if you want to keep those views again my opinion as not some pinball podcast guy like i'm bringing some fucking genius opinions i'm not i'm just sitting in front of a screen watching these audio wave files and my dogs and yeah i'm just a dude but when i'm eating and i'm on twitch and i'm browsing if something grabs my attention oh i'll give it a few more seconds and if it keeps grabbing my attention i'll keep watching and you know repeat and that's a compounding effect if someone logs in and sees stars or something they're just like what is this something my grandpa fuck off you know get to another thing and they won't turn back that you know i get it i get it for the hardcore uh competition player and i'm not knocking any of that like those games are probably better for scoring again as someone who is not in pinball competition whatsoever i do not know what i'm talking about when it comes to actual competition and points but i do know what it comes from is somewhat of a lay person of watching twitch and what i want to see for entertainment you know Not problems that this world needs to solve, but I just – I would lean towards newer games. I really would, and I would lean towards personalities.
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    Maybe not just employees of said companies, but give some backstories a little bit. Give a little fanfare. Something I've heard and read and just been beaten to death, and it sucks. when it comes to music as someone who is you know trying to make his way in music these days um having great music is not the problem anymore the problem is i hate to say it selling yourself not like selling yourself to the devil or back in the day it would be fucking sell out nowadays it's just what works personalities it's what sells it's what makes people follow things think about whatever you watch, whether it's movies, even pinball stuff. Do you care more about the content is great? Yes. But do you sometimes maybe just kind of want to check in on the person you've watched a few times or heard a few times? You get to kind of know them a little bit, or you kind of think, oh, not like your friends, but you just get to pick up on things and you relate to certain things. Sometimes it's a comfort thing while you're driving. Sometimes you're listening to a podcast while you're going to sleep, but that's not always from content. I know from my experience listening, it's sometimes just the timbre, timbre, timbre, timbre, timbre. Pick your word of someone's voice, what they're doing, how often they speak. I'll take that over sometimes the content. It's just a comfort thing. I think the same thing happens in tournaments. Think of football or baseball, which I don't follow sports at all. I'm just sports. Hey, not my thing. More power to you if they are. the amount of stuff on TV about the people. Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre. Brett Favre doesn't even fucking play anymore. That's how much I follow, but it's about the personalities. And yeah, in pinball, when people are talking, listen to the people I talk about or who you're talking about. You're thinking about Keith Elwin or Scott Denisey or, you know, Zach Manning, personalities out there, people. It works. And unfortunately, you know, again, love it or hate it, it's kind of the way the world is going now. and maybe lean into it. Get newer games. Lean into some personalities.
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    This is coming from an onlooker who's not doing the work, and I understand that. It's already a ton of fucking work, and everyone out there from the announcers to the cameramen and women and audio, everything, it's already a fantastic job. But if we want to get it to the level of really getting some exposure, imagine the in-disc, which was great exposure, and next time 15,000 people are logging in, and they're watching Deadpool. they're watching Game of Thrones. Wow, okay. Time it with games that are, the show is on. Maybe have that game.
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    Use the market to your advantage when the Rings of Power comes back on. Let's get Lord of the Rings tournaments, Hobbit tournaments. Just lean into it. My opinions, of course.
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    It's like when people criticize movies. Last Jedi aside, because it's trash. Let's pick another movie that could be criticized. It doesn't matter. Pick any movie. You criticize it, right? Maybe the acting could have been a little bit better or maybe the cinematography. Right. That's a fair point. But you weren't them making it. You didn't have all the scheduling. You didn't have all the HR. You didn't have the cinematography. You didn't have to work with actors who are full of themselves or worry about transportation, all the world, and then actually film it and then edit it and then the sound and then the color correction. There is so much work, even in a bad movie, to someone from the outside like, that was shit because of this. Like, yeah, you're not wrong, but you have the benefit of not having to put in so much work. And the same goes for any sort of show. And I'm not trying to patronize anyone or talk condescending. This is obvious stuff. But just suffice to say, to the pinball streaming community of competition, you're already putting in so much work and it shows. to refine it those are just some ideas and i think some things that could elevate it where over time as it grows you'll have even more help and you figure these things out get more efficient get better timing and it starts to just kind of run itself to a certain standpoint just look at how it was in the video game worlds for streaming at first it was all you know it's world of warcraft and it was hearthstone and that's really what it was and then things started to trickle in and then they had you know banners and they had uh what are they bits and then donations and then things are just set up and then they have mods and then they have people doing some of the administrative work i think you know find out the little small nuanced things the i say administrative work as in like task things that maybe someone else could do maybe some mods maybe we could offload to someone else maybe you could use help with audio hey i'm here if you want some help and i have time i mean ask sure maybe i'd love to help i'd love to help grow the hobby if I can be of any service out there to any sort of audio end of the pinball side, whether it be music or audio, you can always ask. I might be too busy, but I'd love to help.
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    Enough rambling about competition pinball streaming. I think it's great. I'm just excited that right after this in-disc, it's so awesome. A million congrats. I know I'm saying it over and over, but it's really awesome. It's great to hear. You hear so much negative stuff, whether it be from me or other people complaining about the prices or any of that. But to hear this win, it's incredible. So let's get the, you know, the indisc hype. Let's keep that train going. We got the Pinball Awards coming. We got new games coming out. We got Stern getting a new CEO. They got a new location. We got JGP games. It's a great year for pinball. It's going to be fantastic. We're slightly getting over that COVID hump. There's still plenty of manufacturing problems and all that. But, you know, things are really, really looking up. The community is growing. There's more and more content every day. there's more and more competition, there's Insider Connected, there's really never been a better time to be alive for pinball. Period. There's not. That's both subjective and objective. You can look at the numbers, you can look at everything. It's just a great time to be alive, which is where all the passion comes from. People like myself and other streamers of where you get emotionally tied to all this thing, which is totally normal because we're human. Because this is great and there's so much to be thankful for and there's so much to be invested in, you know, you're going to get a lot of opinions so those out there whether you're on pin side or listening to everyone else just be you know be cognizant of your own opinions you know think for yourself and question authority test out games before you buy them if you can heck use virtual pinball to test them out i do oh yeah visual pinball online at least i can get a taste for the sounds a little bit of the gameplay of the rules before i invest you know ten fucking thousand dollars in a pinball machine but hey That's enough. I've taken up enough of your time. Thanks for hanging out with me at the Pinball Party Podcast. If you'd like to send me an email, that's pinballpartypodcast at gmail.com. Probably have a pretty tasty guest next week. Maybe. Maybe I won't tell you who it is. You'll have to tune in and find out. But until then, go play some more pinball. This has been Jason, and here's Mef to take us out. See you later.
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    fuck fuck Uh Sweat