SDTM Episode 68: Interview with Recbar Co-owner Tony

Straight Down the Middle·video·30m 5s·analyzed·Aug 3, 2018

Analysis

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TL;DR

Rec Bar operator Tony shares journey building Louisville's largest pinball venue with 63 machines and thriving community tournaments.

Summary

Greg Bone interviews Tony, co-owner of Rec Bar in Louisville, Kentucky, about his journey from arcade operator to pinball enthusiast. Tony discusses operating one of the largest pinball venues in the nation with 63 machines, the challenges of maintaining diverse inventory, community tournaments attracting 40-50+ players weekly, and lessons learned about balancing new licensed games with classic/rare titles that appeal to different player skill levels.

Key Claims

Rec Bar has 63 pinball machines and is one of the four largest bar/restaurant venues with pinball in the nation
high confidence · Tony states: 'In the space right now I believe we have 63 in this room... when we searched when we got up to 63 we were the four largest bar restaurant, I believe, that has...'
Their Sunday pinball tournament recently drew 53 players, with consistent growth
high confidence · Tony: 'This past Sunday we had, I think, 53 and it was crazy. You guys brought some good pots to you guys.'
They maintain 29 additional machines in a warehouse for rotation and future placement
high confidence · Tony: 'we have about 29 more pinball machines at the warehouse we got a bunch that are coming in there we're gonna flip flip in there and out'
Mario Brothers and Strikes and Spares are among their best revenue-generating games
high confidence · Tony: 'Mario Brothers does really well... Strikes and Spares... they all do well.'
Rec Bar opened in April 2016 with only 8 pinball machines initially
high confidence · Greg and Tony discuss: 'when we first opened Rec Bar we had eight pinball machines only. First opened April of 2016.'

Notable Quotes

“we always say that we probably have the weirdest collection because we went to Chicago and New York and Star Trek. St. Louis and Kansas City to a bunch of the different arcade bars... we wanted to have you know some newer ones and get into some of the newer companies as well. But we also had a bunch of weird titles that we liked at that time.”
Tony @ ~10:45 — Explains their philosophy of curating diverse inventory beyond just top-tier games to create unique venue appeal
“because kids see it and they just they just go play it... Anything that's recognizable, I think draws people to it... Title matters. Title matters. It really does.”
Tony@ 15:56 — Identifies IP recognition as critical factor in venue revenue and player engagement
“Mario Brothers in this room will compete with any other game... Because kids see it and they just they just go play it.”
Tony@ 15:56 — Demonstrates how specific games with recognizable IP drive casual play revenue despite not being premium modern titles
“we're probably gonna cap out of this room at 80 or so... we're not really gonna be buying a ton of you know the fifteen hundred dollar machines anymore because we don't want to replace you know fifteen hundred with a fifteen hundred. We will try to start getting these bigger titles”
Tony @ ~15:45 — Shows operator strategy shift from volume to quality as venue reaches capacity, indicating market understanding of tiered game pricing
“Probably the thing is we can't play these games every day. So, you know, we rely on the guests to tell us, you know, what's going on with them all.”
Tony@ 25:22 — Identifies operational challenge unique to large-scale operators: maintenance scheduling difficulty at scale
“we have a clipboard over here on the wall and we tell them if you, you know, if you see anything wrong, Rhys, go over write it up... the Rec Bar Pinball Crew... has helped us, you know, people just, you know, posts and bring stuff that helps the tournaments.”

Entities

Rec BarcompanyTonypersonGreg BonepersonCorinnepersonLouisville Arcade Pinball ExpoeventFlip N Out Pinballcompany Jersey Jack PinballcompanyStern PinballcompanyChicago Gaming Companycompany

Signals

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business_signal: Rec Bar position as one of four largest pinball bar/restaurant venues nationally indicates consolidation toward premium operator venues with food/beverage integration rather than pure arcade play
high · Tony: 'when we searched when we got up to 63 we were the four largest bar restaurant, I believe, that has... it's hard as restaurants and stuff... So it's hard as restaurants and stuff... tons of museums and there are tons of arcades.'
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community_signal: Rec Bar implementing social/community feedback mechanisms (Facebook 'Rec Bar Pinball Crew' page, clipboard for player bug reports) to manage maintenance and tournament communication at scale
high · Tony: 'we have a clipboard over here on the wall and we tell them if you see anything wrong, write it up... the Rec Bar Pinball Crew... has helped us... people just posts and bring stuff that helps the tournaments'
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event_signal: Rec Bar hosts weekly Sunday pinball tournaments that have grown from modest participation to 40-53 players per event, attracting both casual and competitive players including some ranked in top 600 globally
high · Tony: 'This past Sunday we had, I think, 53... We had one guy that came in and never ever played in a pinball tournament at all... he came in and it's just, you know, anyone can.'
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market_signal: Venue approaching capacity at 63 machines signals shift in operator purchasing from budget machines ($1,500) to premium titles, indicating pricing tier strategy changes as routes mature
high · Tony: 'we're gonna cap out of this room at 80 or so... we're not really gonna be buying a ton of the fifteen hundred dollar machines anymore... we will try to start getting these bigger titles'

Topics

Operator business model and venue managementprimaryPinball tournament organization and community engagementprimaryGame selection strategy for diverse player demographicsprimaryMaintenance and reliability challenges at scaleprimaryIP recognition and licensing impact on venue revenuesecondaryOperator profitability and financial trackingsecondaryCommunity tournament participation and accessibilitysecondaryPinball industry show strategy and networkingmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.82)— Tony and Greg express genuine enthusiasm about Rec Bar's growth, community impact, and passion for pinball. Positive references to tournaments, player base growth, and machine curation. Some frustration expressed regarding maintenance challenges and operator burden, but framed as solvable operational issues rather than fundamental dissatisfaction.

Transcript

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Louis and Kansas City to a bunch of the different arcade bars and all and the one thing we noticed most of them is they all had that 10news turns that's what they had yeah which those are amazing games but you know we wanted to have you know some news turns and get into some of the newer companies as well but we also had a bunch of weird titles that we liked at that time pinball kind of went through the roof even since then yeah but at that time we felt like it was best for us to start off with three $1500 machines yeah than 145 100 all the same so when you get you get your feet wet like you you're not you're not throwing down on a $5,400 Stern Perot or something and then you've got to try to recoup that money and you don't know how it's gonna go yeah with pinball so I think it was a smart thing to do and like I said like I think that's what always intrigued me about coming over here was its games that you heard about games that you don't see on route very often that you get to experiencing you get to play that you don't like I said it any other bar yeah or anything which would just fantastic yeah because you guys went from not long if you'd had the the 15 pens you opened up what was pinball corner or pinball alley yeah the back room was kind of pinball alley and we had 26 and then we end up moving up I think 31 was most we head back there and that was cool we moved them from basically the middle of the arcade venue and put them kind of in their own room yeah when we when we did that we noticed on Friday and Saturday nights it would be we have 31 machines there would be 30 31 people playing so yeah kind of made us say hey let's just be more let's do bigger things yeah which is what brought us through this and then how many pins do you have now since you open this new space in the space right now I believe we have 63 in this room so it's gonna be getting close to like an Indiana record because I know that there's a executive oh well you got to be close to the nation though because I thought I saw something the pinball place up in Fort Wayne sorry Mike I can't pinball something I thought that they had 60 something or 70 games and they were one of the top ten in the nation I think four so I might be wrong we searched pin side and we looked basically for pin bar bars and restaurants and there's tons of museums and there are tons of arcades but as far as a bar and restaurant come get full dinner and drinks and all at that point when we searched when we got up to 63 we were the four largest para restaurant I believe that has I mean there's there's tons of big Bobby's Sims and there's a bunch that are just arcade you go just paid played you know there's no food or drink so it's hard as restaurants and stuff I think this room right now I think we're gonna cap out of this room at 67 and we we have plenty of machines at the warehouse we're just trying to work on and get it over and then there's some new ones coming out that we like to likes to buy now the good bad thing is we're at capacity so we're not really gonna be buying a ton of you know the $1500 machines anymore because we don't want to replace you know 1500 with a 1500 we will try to start getting these bigger titles because I think right now we have 20 to the top 100 machines on the inside so we're working on it so since you're capped at that 67 like you said you're gonna start just you're gonna rotate in inventory and start building up to better yeah and then uh yeah maybe Corinne myself might actually have some pinball machines at the house we don't have a any at our house at all which people we play in the tournament every Sunday here and we can be quite often and people are like how are you losing we don't ever really get to play pinball we don't have any in our house I just bought my first two from my house and I'm working on a hardbody which is it's got a fan base and then uh escort a crazy cheap supersonic that I'm working on just titles that would not go in are really so well and that's what like you know when I first met you you told me that story that you know like you said about how you got into it with you guys we're doing some point op stuff and everything and it just snowballed in everything but then like I slowly saw you start to become a pinball fan in itself like you started showing up to some local tournaments and you started learning games and then you start talking more passionate about it so do you consider yourself a hobbyist now do you you you love pinball oh yeah it's it's what I can still do actually recently for my patellar tendon my knee so I was kind of like a little bit more active yeah now I can't do that so it's kind of my my thing we can do and I try to talk everyone into it because everyone can play you know we have the pinball tournament on Sundays and which has got more yeah it's good this past Sunday we had 50 think 53 and it was crazy we you guys got some good pots to you guys our tournaments a or tournaments bring some nice value to them we have some sponsors that give some local here and there and then be Steven I'm probably gonna murder his last name [ __ ] or [ __ ] I believe it is he's won in the past I think he's won twice in the past four weeks four weeks ago he got 13 points from winning this battle they got 16 points for one of it so it's worth crazy I have to be eight points now which is good is loud you know yeah well it's good to bring that here you know with all that because it's a venue that holds that many people and it is it's a fun tournament because you're getting you're getting hardcore players now that you've also got families you've got everybody like it's not it's not a I don't want to say it's not a serious tournament but it's a tournament for everyone it's a feel new players I'm serious what everyone can play in it you know it's crazy because we had we had a July 3rd tournament which was huge we had to think 46 people on that one yeah and we had three guys on the top 600 the world playing and you know everyone else that doesn't know a lot about pinball was kind of scared like oh man I'm not gonna do it right two of them didn't even make the top 16 so it just shows you kind of you know we had one guy that that day came in and got four never ever played in a pinball tournament at all he's played a little pinball here and there so he came in and it's just you know you're right anyone can it's such a random game it's a lot harder here that onion I'm not saying this because of this because most of these people are used to playing on the same machines over and over and over yeah and you know there's some people you catch mortis turn a newer start here I mean they're they're gonna whoop you well you know we catch manali that they've never played or somebody's Sega that they've never played you know you catch him on xenon or Cinderella or like they don't they don't know how to play well and that's what happened you I remember talking to you we were at a tournament together one time and it was a bunch of newer Stern's in turn Tony was used these he hadn't really got into the newer Stern's yet he was like I don't know what the hell's going on I don't know these rules on these damn games up because I'm getting my ass whupped I don't know what to do I think most of those that I've never even seen well they said vice versa those people come here and then they don't know I said the older Gottlieb's and some stuff the rules or how they play you know I never pin if they play at the same location - they're used to the way that pens set up and pins everybody knows pins can kind of vary a little bit from location to location the Pappa game Papa games are a little set up a little different so you would say you say there's a lot on the classics tournament and it was uh it was rough speaking of Atlanta so now that you've kind of become a hobbyist and everything else what what has been you go to shows now okay what's been your favorite show so far that you've gone to I'm still thinking I'm not saying it because we're in Louisville I think Louisville probably had one of the better selection of games Alana's facility that was in is insane I mean it's new and awesome and just you know I believe all of you know all of them can learn and take some other stuff away from you know Louisville did some some cool bands Atlanta had wrestling their full-blown wrestling match which was you know kind of cool and I heard it's a big thing there's one in one out Elena also did something that was really cool that I'm not into but I know a ton of people are I don't know if you went this past year have been recently so if you go upstairs basically all the ballrooms you got to pay to get in those but the middle section the tons of tables where people are playing like magic dungeon dragons and card game Oh bring I don't know they would pack and you know it's not pinball but it also could help get people into pinball spin balls there so they might float over and so they had this they had the space in the space was you know I saw this past week my buddy went to comic-con not pinball yeah stern had a you know I don't know if it's turn or Marco who it was my buddy sent me a video and they had a huge room of all-new Stern's sit up yeah you know those people that like the comic books are seeing you know these machines and all so well and they see stuff like guardians that yeah yeah it transcends into those alright when people walk those bill or they might not ever play pinball they see guardians or like guardians and they go play it yeah it's no those things where title matters title matters it really does because we we say all the time you know we we have some rare ish machines we have some really good machines Mario Brothers in this room will compete with any other game cuz we're really easily that is nice because kids see it and they just they just go play it yeah it's recognizable yeah anything that's recognizable I think draws people to it painter it's really surprising you know and I'm probably gonna say this and drive up the price on it but uh strikes and spares though Gottlob bowling game yeah that thing competes with almost anything in this room Rihanna pinball machine it's listed in the category a pinball cuz I've never even touched it I've been here 56 late on job you never does get games that are kind of victim to people because once you get it you know you got it yeah that's like I mean ice-cold beer people walk in and they'll play that thing the kick their butt a couple of times with no played for 10 minutes straight ya know so I love that well I do agree with you man about Louisville Louisville Louisville is probably one of my favorite shows like I enjoy it German it anywhere else we are going this year we're going to Brando it's a good show Mexico and then we're going to Cincinnati then we're going to I guess the Chicago one yes Chicago expose before Cincinnati I think dad be and I actually Chicago's before grand old game room do not believe I think maybe both of those are in November yeah those later another verbal yeah we got a room booked for that but this will be your first time Chicago right only other one I've been to is the land that oh I've been to you know watch options and stuff like yeah but I think you Louisville one we first year was five years ago that's kind of when we saw that hey let's go ahead and open something you know we were there we took took a couple games we bought we bought seven games a year and notice a lot of people walking around beers and we're like what we drink beer yeah they drink beer it's a match made in heaven but you guys man you you were you guys were very supportive of the Louisville Arcade Expo this year you all brought how many games I think we took 48 and Vaughn are there were some people who normally bring some games and some stuff happened that they couldn't bring some of their games guts up and so it would have really hindered and then you guys just basically saved the day and said hey we got a box truck yeah we just stole load up games we told Dave he was actually in town that weekend we said go to the warehouse and every game that works at the warehouse put it on the truck and send it you know we just we just wanted to help out because yeah it's a super important for us that that show continues to do well and yeah and and next year when you guys are in town for a little X bomb you guys are only what five six minute oh right around away from there so if you guys want to get out of there and come get some food and drink and stuff stop by Rick marques it's just literally right down the road from you there we will have next year too we will have some huge ifba tournaments here and I think they're gonna they'll do really well this past year on Saturday night I think we had like 40-something of the pinball guys that are claiming the big poppa tournament over there came over here so this is coming here which is in March so we gotta wait yeah but we'll have I think a Friday night we'll probably do kind of a via sanctioned tournament move it kind of be fun a Saturday night we'll probably do a big-money tournament nice and then Sunday we want to do you know every year sunday the Arcade Expo ends I get three or four and a lot of people are just you know they still want to play yeah they just got there you know maybe ten that morning and six hours wasn't enough for me about Sunday we want to try to do something too so that'll be fun so okay so back back to the coin business itself so what is your biggest earner you do you keep track you know what you because you said Mario Brothers is pretty good strikes and spear do you know what your best earner we don't really keep track as we're on a token program so I mean we could still keep track of you know tokens but we give out so many free tokens it's alright it's kind of hard I mean of course the new ones right now that there are some of the biggest artists because you know they're brand new they cost a little bit more to play yeah Mario Brothers does really well really Rumble does really well Family Guy does really well all this all the new you know new Stern's that we have on the floor here do really well monopoly Adams family some of the classics while he's on the course they all do I mean some of the ones that are kind of like I can send shocking Mario Brothers is always up there good random strikes and spares goblin game that didn't involve machines the bowling game so I believe they strike some spares was 78 yeah yeah or Natyam that's all if they've had yeah so they all they all do well okay so what is your in your collection here what's your favorite pin that you play here I think I was talking to Cory the other day basically was like if I could take one game home and keep it at my house I think would be pinball magic we just picked it up and I've been looking for it for quite some time it's a good chunk everyone is too nice so that I really like randomly or I like Dirty Harry mm-hm played it in the pinball tournament this Sunday I normally put up nice scores on it play it this Sunday to last on it so I think I need to practice on that that's Devin to take home I agree with you on pinball magic man like I was blown away that's the first time I've ever got to play it was here when you got that on the floor and it snapped it plays good yeah it's a solid game and I was really surprised so I definitely agree with you on that now not in your collection or it might still be in your collection what is your favorite pin that you played in general I would probably say Circus Voltaire oh really and we played it in Atlanta David has one key preferred to Dave Dave's one of our Tech's that helps us out here they must get awesome dude his flex very very nice I wish I had his clip they were going to interview you next brother yeah I played that that was awesome man yeah you know of course preachers I've never played whitewater because I'm good all the shows I've been to it's not been there yeah I play you know placement virtual pin and I played it on that and stuff the circus Voltaire on your radar you guys looking for one eventually I would write price I did it yeah that's nice all one actually last week that was at the right price but we're working on some other things right now so it was kind of right price not at the right bill but you know eventually not saying we're gonna have all the top 20 machines yeah but your goal yeah once we are out of completely out of space and I started you know moving some titles in and out we're gonna have to bass me some of the better ones we but we also want to keep you know some old-school ones here we want to keep some weird ones here too because like I said when you play in tournaments and stuff we wanna want to shake people up yeah yeah I know cuz some games like Secret Service I'd never mess with that I think some people had turned that but it threw me really bad when I believed that one thing because I had no idea what I was supposed to shoot Robocop's been in tournaments and stuff and people aren't used to playing that a lot of games here lately we've haven't ran in tournaments because of how they have all walk still and we don't you know yeah try to keep keep those out one thing we played a tournament forever which is actually probably one of my favorite games here torpedo alley yeah computer on Spriggans just it's cool there's a lot going on it's simple it's one of those games where the value I believe is it's a nice value if you can still find it because I don't think they produce very many of those yeah but it's random yes the guns I mean it's yeah we have a I would say Corey and I have a wish list of stuff we want to get but then again you know there are some games that they just don't work on you know route or vacation well I like zone is one of those games that you got to put a lot of time in always we're probably every other week doing something to it yeah but it's one of those games that we feel like we need to have here because we've been looking for it we found it yeah but it is there's a lot of problems that come with that in for sure so that being said one last final question what what it was the hardest thing when you especially when you've got 60 something pins on route what would has been the most problematic thing that's been the hardest to overcome or that you didn't see coming in coin off yeah probably the thing is we can't play these games every day so you know we rely on the guests to tell us you know what's going on with them all no we go through them weekly but if we go through something maybe on Monday we're not gonna get back to it until the following Monday we haven't 60 of them I mean we clean the glass every other day it takes us about two hours you know to clean everything so a lot of times I guess wouldn't you getting them doubt in is the biggest thing I guess I was like because once they're doubt in they they start playing better and you're keeping up on cleaning the mountain stuff they should run well but you know sometimes we'll have people leave here and say give us a review or send us a email that says I've put a couple tokens in this game and it didn't work and that it's why we want the tokens that way we could yeah hook them back up so we are kind of relying on the guest we have a bunch of regulars that come in here Adam Greg and Sean and then a whole bunch of guys that play weekly and we have a clipboard over here on the wall and we tell them if you you know if John Youssi anything wrong Rhys go over write it up well you guys started a Facebook page to the REC bar crew so that people do tournament info and everything on there but you can also post let us know let you know what problems you guys said cuz I I've heard that about operators that that everybody has that is people will complain well this game didn't work or this switch or something didn't work well nobody ever goes and lets them know no so they don't know to fix it because it's like you said you can't go through and play all these games and no you know test them every day so you do have to rely on the public to let you know and some people just stay quiet about it and go off yeah they do that page actually the it's called the REC bar pinball crew oh really has helped us you know people just you know posts and small stuff that helps the tournaments and anytime we get new games we let those people know before anyone else typically but but yeah you like you said operators that mean a lot you don't really see operators anymore though be honest now as far as like we have people hitting us up all the time let's go put arcade and pinball machines different places and stuff Claire you know it's hard to do can't really put two machines in a bar halfway across town and they call you ya know midnight on a Friday night saying there's a coin jam you can't really get there then she has so much to maintain [ __ ] I'm good imagine it's crazy to see a lot of the machines that I was on a pinball paid to a little while back you might have been on there at all Thank You Thomas maybe you didn't comment on there may be as Tony - and it was a a nice game I forget what it was but like the operators a lot of times their games they'll let him go without go but it almost not doesn't restore them but I've seen games that are completely just crashed where the play field is black yeah but you know that's the game I'm buying you know I'm cleaning it up and that played field a spotless under there that's what every time I walk in I'll come around lunchtime or something and Tony's got glass off he's either wiping a play field down or he's putting he's changing bulbs for LED and everything you know working on that and try go through the game so every time I come in here Tony's under glass I got a play filled up working on something you know messing around and all that so well I I definitely appreciate Tony you got anything else to add no I've just come see us come say hi I'm typically here working on games during the week Monday through Friday then we got we've got a couple guys you know huge shout out Dave musket and riffle that really helped us keep the machines go on and all I'm learning we had a couple other guys that helped us out and stuff shout out to them not gonna say any names because I'm not gonna throw people people might bug them come fix microphone we uh you know if you need any help with any games or anything feel free to give us a shout locally and stuff I know Greg knows a ton there's some other couple couple local guys we want to keep it going we try to buy you know games on a regular to keep keep it fresh we have about 29 more pinball machines at the warehouse we got a bunch that are coming in we're gonna flip flip in and out so nicely once yeah so if you guys are an area again Louisville Kentucky will throw up that dress for you guys on here stop in especially on a Sunday what six o'clock that straight six o'clock Sundays because are in the area stop by playing the tournament if you're in town or something doing so that's a I know a lot of times work brings you guys through this area or close by definitely worth the drive to come and check it out so again Tony I appreciate Amanda thank you [Music] you had a fling way the slingshot euro an a/c outlet are gay