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Saturday Morning Spectacular! June 7

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·1h 14m·analyzed·Jun 8, 2025
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TL;DR

Kaneda critiques Harry Potter pinball's audio, design complexity, and mechanical depth despite praising shooting and artwork.

Summary

Kaneda delivers an extensive critical analysis of Harry Potter pinball, comparing its design philosophy, audio implementation, and mechanical features to other recent releases. He praises the shooting and artwork but criticizes the 'muted clip' audio approach (synced dialogue only in a few moments rather than throughout modes), the oversaturated screen design, the generic 'slot machine' sound design reminiscent of Wonka, the underwhelming topper, and the lack of distinctive mechanical features beyond the rotating staircase. He argues Jersey Jack has lost narrative coherence and story choreography in pinball design, comparing unfavorably to Batman 66's synced clip implementation. Kaneda rates the game a B, noting it will sell in massive volumes regardless of quality due to IP licensing power.

Key Claims

  • Harry Potter pinball uses 'muted clips' where most video sequences lack synced dialogue and sound effects, only syncing in a few specific moments like ball locks

    high confidence · Kaneda demonstrates this with extended gameplay footage analysis, showing moments where characters' mouths move silently during modes

  • Jersey Jack's game design philosophy has converged to a consistent 'boink, dink, zip, zap, boop' sound profile regardless of theme, making Harry Potter sound like Willy Wonka rather than Potter

    high confidence · Kaneda repeatedly emphasizes this pattern and critiques the generic sound design across JJP titles

  • The Harry Potter topper is of poor quality and appears like an 'intern project' compared to licensed sculpts that cost $700 but could have been used

    high confidence · Kaneda shows the topper on screen and criticizes it extensively, suggesting Leor (Dutch Pinball's topper maker) should have been contracted

  • Harry Potter has very limited mechanical features beyond the rotating staircase, with no sub-playfields and minimal complex mech underneath

    medium confidence · Kaneda speculates the underside of the playfield is 'empty' and predicts easy manufacturing; notes the lack of 'magic' in the mechanics

  • Batman 66 pinball demonstrates superior synced audio/video implementation compared to Harry Potter

    high confidence · Kaneda shows Batman 66 gameplay footage to illustrate proper synced clip usage with full audio

  • Jersey Jack should have contracted Leor for the topper after seeing the quality on Dutch Pinball's Alice in Wonderland

    medium confidence · Kaneda speculates on why the decision wasn't made and the missed opportunity for a major sales event for Leor

  • Retro Ralph left the keys in the backbox during the official Harry Potter featurette video

    high confidence · Kaneda reviews the featurette and catches this production error on-air

  • King Kong has more mechanical depth and interesting visual elements than Harry Potter despite both being recent Stern/competitor releases

Notable Quotes

  • “Instead of being called Jersey Jack Pinball, they should really rename this company Atlantic City Pinball because it just feels like something I would find in a casino in Atlantic City.”

    Kaneda @ ~15:30 — Core metaphor for Kaneda's criticism that JJP creates 'redemption game' aesthetics rather than pinball narrative depth

  • “Only Dialed In and Guns N' Roses really utilized in the best way what that screen can give them. And I just think the rest of it is like there's eight things happening at once on the Harry Potter screen at once.”

    Kaneda @ ~18:00 — Identifies screen design as a fundamental problem with JJP's approach across multiple games

  • “This is like putting on a tuxedo and then wearing a clown hat with a little propeller on the top of it. This is atrocious.”

    Kaneda @ ~1:02:00 — Signature critique of the Harry Potter topper quality and its disconnect from the rest of the game's premium positioning

  • “It's the most Jersey Jack jersey Jack game they've ever made. It's how they it's how they it this is their philosophy on how pinball should be integrated.”

    Kaneda @ ~39:00 — Summarizes Harry Potter as quintessentially representing JJP's design philosophy problems

  • “A world under glass. That is not a world under glass, people. Like, if we start saying that that's a world under glass, then we've all forgotten what a real world under glass looks like.”

    Kaneda @ ~52:00 — Challenges claims about Harry Potter's immersive design against classic pinball standards

  • “If I had to give this game a score right now, just from what I've seen, I think it's a B. I do. I don't think this is an A+ game.”

    Kaneda @ ~57:00 — Direct rating establishes Kaneda's balanced critical position despite extensive criticism

  • “They made this topper and they weren't happy with it. And they tried to get Leor to make them a topper. Well, why did you wait so long to get Leor?”

    Kaneda @ ~1:00:30 — Points to a specific business/production decision that Kaneda views as poor management and timing

Entities

KanedapersonIan JacobipersonJersey Jack PinballcompanyHarry PottergameBatman 66gameWilly Wonka and the Chocolate FactorygameKing Konggame

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Significant polarization in pinball community around Harry Potter reception; some community members have privately agreed with Kaneda's criticisms but refuse public attribution; discourse has become tribal (Stern vs. JJP fandom)

    high · Kaneda mentions 'a really well-known pinball personality' reaching out privately agreeing but requesting anonymity; notes community discussions treat manufacturers 'like political parties'

  • ?

    community_signal: Retro Ralph produced official Harry Potter featurette video for Jersey Jack Pinball; video achieved 18,000 views but contained production error (keys left in backbox)

    high · Kaneda reviews featurette on-air and catches the backbox keys error; notes Ralph's extensive work effort and jokes about nicknaming him 'Backbox Ralph'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Harry Potter positioned as massive commercial success that will dominate sales due to IP licensing power, but Kaneda predicts upcoming Stern Predator will be mechanically superior

    medium · Kaneda states game will 'sell thousands' regardless of quality; notes he hasn't played it competitively yet; speculates Predator will be 'way more mechanical' than Harry Potter

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Harry Potter criticized for 'muted clip' audio implementation where synced dialogue only occurs in limited moments (ball locks) rather than throughout modes; playfield feels like a 'slot machine' with generic Wonka-like sound design

    high · Kaneda demonstrates this extensively with gameplay footage comparisons, showing characters with moving mouths but no audio during mode play; describes it as 'Atlantic City casino redemption game' aesthetic

  • ?

Transcript

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0:08
Righty, righty. Right. We're going to talk. We're going to clean this camera a little
0:17
bit. I'm going to go get some water real quick. Hold on. Don't worry, Grenade is here. Let's do a show. Don't worry, everybody. How's everybody doing? Today's porch jam. Musical acts on the porches. Let me just close this
1:33
door. Ah, lots to talk about. Lots to talk about. How's everybody doing? How's everybody doing? I'm your host, your venerable host, Caneda, coming at you from Rorowen, Connecticut, home of Rorowen Seafood. Home to one of the most idealic, beautiful villages on the water. What? There's boats, there's sunshine, there's lobster rolls. I died and woke up in heaven. Don't miss New York City for a second. Don't I don't I love it here. I love it here. and all the rich finance people I meet every single day that remind me how little money I make in public relations. Ah, how's it going everybody? Who we got? Brian, Jeremy, Carlos, Joe. We're going to talk all about Potter today. I think what's going to be fun about today's show, I started it a little early because the porch jam is the music festival that starts at 11. Basically, it's cool like people have at all the different houses. cuz I mean there's like there's some like 1020 million dollar houses like they get musicians to play on their porches and you buy tickets you get this wristband this red one and everyone just like kind of drinks and listens to live music all day long. This town is a likes to get inebriated. Uh so it's kind of perfect for me right now. How's everybody doing? How's everybody
3:07

medium confidence · Kaneda compares the two games' mechanical features directly during the show

  • “Modern pinball now is really a lot more about the software than the hardware. And the game has changed and it's just it's the new reality.”

    Kaneda @ ~1:16:00 — Meta-observation about the current state of pinball manufacturing priorities

    • Retro Ralph
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    Dutch Pinballcompany
    Leorperson
    Dunegame
    Jack Dangerperson
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Predatorgame
    Lyman Sheetsperson
    Joe Katzperson
    David Thielperson
    Jason Knapperson
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Dunegame

    design_philosophy: Jersey Jack Pinball's design approach emphasizes screen saturation and complex visual/audio layering rather than narrative coherence and mechanical 'magic'; uses consistent sound palette across all games regardless of theme

    high · Kaneda repeatedly emphasizes JJP's 'boink, dink, zip, zap, boop' sound consistency; criticizes lack of story choreography compared to Lyman Sheets legacy; compares to bedroom metaphor of overstuffing space

  • ?

    event_signal: Porch Jam music festival in Rowayton, Connecticut serves as backdrop/context for Saturday morning broadcast; influences show schedule and Kaneda's casual streaming setup

    high · Kaneda opens show explaining Porch Jam event starting at 11 AM; notes town tendency to drink; references this as perfect timing context

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Harry Potter audio/video implementation appears constrained by licensing limitations; only purchased limited footage minutes rather than full synced dialogue libraries

    medium · Kaneda speculates 'they just are buying a few minutes of footage' and notes licensing deals work by the minute; explains why synced clips are limited to specific moments

  • $

    market_signal: Modern pinball manufacturing has shifted to prioritize software/screen implementation over hardware/mechanical complexity; games are becoming more like arcade redemption machines than 'worlds under glass'

    medium · Kaneda articulates this as 'the new reality' of pinball; contrasts contemporary designs with classic pinball standards of mechanical depth

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jean-Paul DeWin (animator/art director at JJP) transitioned to Dutch Pinball for Back to the Future project

    medium · Kaneda references this move when discussing topper quality and suggests it reflects staffing decisions at JJP

  • ?

    product_concern: Harry Potter topper is perceived as poor quality and aesthetically incongruous with the premium game; described as looking like an 'intern project' that could have been professionally manufactured by Leor for $700

    high · Kaneda shows topper on camera and criticizes extensively; compares to professional toppers used by Dutch Pinball; suggests this is part of a pattern of JJP 'cutting corners'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern Pinball's Predator is expected to release as next major title after Harry Potter launch; game positioning as mechanically distinct from Harry Potter

    medium · Kaneda states 'I'm not sure when Predator's coming out. I think that's going to be the next one we get' and predicts it will outperform Harry Potter mechanically

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Kaneda's overall sentiment on modern pinball has shifted from optimistic ('best was yet to come') to skeptical about game quality due to cost increases and feature reductions

    high · Kaneda states: 'A few years ago, I felt the best way the best was yet to come in pinball after the last several releases. I I think Nick, I think you hit it, man. And And people are like, Well, you're negative, Cana. I'm like, Dude, it's the games, man. The games have all become so expensive and they removed so much of the magic.'

    • doing? We're gonna let people join. What I'm going to do today, and I'm I'm I'm happy that we get to do this this medium. Um I'm gonna show you what I mean by my last show about Potter assets. And Ian's in the house from Nudge Magazine, and he's going to um he's going to disagree with everything I say. He's going to think this game is loaded. He's going to think it's packed. He's probably even thinks the topper is nice. It it's an atrocious topper. It It's really weird to me where this company like just kind of cuts corners and mails it in and and the excuses. I don't think I've seen more uh excuses than I do from the JJP fanboys. They they don't even want to like talk about it. They don't even want to like listen. Like, you know, I was talking to Jason Knap yesterday. Great guy. I love his love his content. But he he had a little bit of like if you don't have anything nice to say, I don't want to hear it. I get it. I get it. You know, I I think I've been very fair and balanced on this game. Again, I'm not upset by it. I think it's going to be fun. I think it's going to shoot better than most JJPs, but I also think it is a slot machine with flippers at the bottom and the sounds and the way the theme is integrated. I just don't understand why every Jersey Jack game now feels like W and Wonka had a baby. It's just like no, no matter what the theme is, boink, dink, zip, zap, boop. Like, is that the world of Harry Potter? To me, Potter's darker. It's more like the first three movies are really fun and then it gets like serious and it gets mysterious and it gets a little spooky and it gets a little, you know, haunted feeling. I don't feel any of that in this game at all. Like it's just okay. Here's here. Instead of being called Jersey Jack Pinball, they should really rename this company Atlantic City Pinball because it just feels like something I would find in a casino in Atlantic City. Um, you know, I look look, it's um it's it's become a weird it's become a weird hobby lately. I I I don't understand why you buy any anything right now. Like what's the FOMO to buy one now? I mean, they're going to they're going to sell a ton of these games. They're they're going to sell thousands of Harry Potters. This was never going to be uh it didn't matter good or bad. They were going to sell a ton of these games. I think Jersey Jack has made it really easy. I I want to see someone lift the playfield up. Has anybody done that? Because I have a I have a strange suspicion that underneath this game is going to be like empty and it's just going to be really easy for them to build. Remember, there's like no subways. There's one upper playfield. There's no real complex mech. Think about like no mech in this game is going under is got like a huge piece of real estate underneath that playfield. I mean, lift up Batman 66, lift up uh Godzilla, lift up, you know, some of these new games. I just I don't know. I look at look at Dune. The coffee is good. The coffee is good.
    6:18
    I like the Card. Um I I don't know if it's like incredible. This is the thing is like I I feel like in pinball we've sort of reached this point people where everything either is like the greatest ever or it's terrible. And I don't understand why we have to deal in such extremes. I think that Harry Potter is not the greatest pin ever. I don't think it's the most loaded pin ever. But I also don't hate it. It doesn't I think it's gonna be fun. I just I just It's to me it's not even about Harry Potter anymore. It's about finally understanding what not finally. I feel like the better way to say it is I just know now more than ever that Jersey Jack is incapable of just doing things differently. And I think advancing what their product would be if they simply dialed down some of the complexities of what's on the screen and really understood story choreography and user interface. And I don't think they really understand how to tell a story. And I mean that. And and again, like Lyman Sheets knew how to tell a story through a pinball machine. I just don't think these guys get it. I don't. I think they've lost the narrative long ago and they're just like doing too much that's not necessary and leaving out so many things that would be a better journey for the player. Um, and I don't know why they they just don't get it. Like they've got I get that you've got the big screen. It's like having a big imagine having a big bedroom, right? I I have a pretty decent sized No, it's it's I mean I have decent sized bedroom, right? Okay. Now, if you want to put as much in that bedroom as you possibly can, you could, right? You could fill every inch of that bedroom with with furniture, with a bed, with a chair, with a this, with a TV, with a with all this art. You could cra you could put everything you want and then it would be overcrowded and it would be like, you know, it wouldn't look good. It it just too much going on. And and that's how I feel about that about Jersey Jack and it screen. I feel like only dialed in and Guns and Roses really utilized in the best way what that screen can give them. And I and I just think the rest of it is like there some of these games like like there's eight things happening at once on the Harry Potter screen at once. And we're going to look at it in a little bit. Give me uh you know, let's do it in like five or 10 minutes. Let as many people in here as
    9:19
    possible. Um I'm reading your comments. Dealing extremes is how most people deal with anything these days. Yeah, I I do agree that nuance is debt. like it's like but what's weird about today's world is like people don't even want to talk about it you know I had um a really well-known pinball personality read reach out to me and be like you know kind of like Chris he's like I think you nailed it like and but please don't say my name or let people know what I said about it and I just I I don't know it's weird that we've become uh these pinball pinball company games are almost like political parties Now it's like you're either on Stern or JJP. I think most people are like, "Yeah, they, you know, we just want pinball." I just I just really take offense to people that say this game is packed because I'm just like, what what what are you looking at? If if this is packed, what's Big Labowski? What's Medieval Madness? What is Godzilla? What is You know, I had someone tell me yesterday they thought Twilight Zone was empty. I'm like, I don't even know like how to have these conversations.
    10:34
    Um, it it's like I it's another muted clip game though. Does anyone not understand what I mean by muted clip? Let me explain what I mean and then let's go watch because watching will show you. I got two. I got the Jersey Jack gameplay where Joe's playing and I got the suare uh from France which plays. So you'll have to hear someone talking in French. Get a little cultured people but it's a it's a good audio of gameplay but it's more importantly you can see what I mean what's happening on the screen. And so here's what I think everybody is like not understanding. Are there synced up audio do like are you hearing from the actors in the movie and seeing video with them talking synced up? The answer is yes, but here's the big butt. But only only like a few times and not through the modes. So you're what what you're seeing is is they bought the rights for the voices to do things like ball one locked and then they'll say something you know like it's it's like it's the consistent moments in the game like the you know that like every time you lock a ball ball one ball two will have a synced up video sequence that you will see. Okay, they yeah, it's in there. But what's not in their game is when you start a mode or you're doing stuff like, I don't know, let's say Quidditch, when they start showing Harry on the broom, you're not hearing any of the actors talk to each other through any of the moments in the movie. So you you know what I'm saying? Like does everyone understand what I mean by that? So like everything is just muted. It's like Avatar when you start any of those Avatar multiballs or battles. You are not hearing anything from the movie. You're seeing all the clips and they're they're like cycling them, but you don't hear the sound effects. You don't hear the screams when they're screaming. You don't hear the dialogue between the characters. Um, and I just think it's it's a it's it's a terri I don't know why because I guess they just are buying a few minutes of footage. See, that's the thing is like you can buy footage that's fully synced up by the minute. That's that's how licensing does deals, too. Like they don't they can't it's just bad. I again I don't like it. Should we watch you see what I mean? Okay. So, here's what I want to do. Let's watch this game being played for a few minutes together. And I want you guys to count how many times you see synced up video with voices, right? But I also want you to tell me how many times Let's Let's This is going to be fun. How many times in Harry Potter Pinball, right, the main character, how many times do you hear Harry Potter talk? How many times are you seeing video clips of Harry Potter actually speaking? How many times do you see Harry Potter speaking to Ron and her what? Hermione. Her Hermione. How many times you see the golden trio actually talking to each other, which is what Harry Potter is all about, right? So So like, can we do it? Do you want to? Should I do it? Because every Rebel Guitars, this is Wes. Wes, do you want me to pull up how Okay, I'm also going to pull up real quick Batman 66 stream cuz I think Wes is like confused like what what I mean by this like actually syncing
    15:08
    Oh my god, this is the worst clip ever. Sorry, I like tried to find a YouTube of Batman. Let's just get Zack Danger playing. Here we go.
    15:32
    So, here's the thing. Okay, just just watch this. I wanted you to watch this because I want you to do do me a favor. All right, I'm going to Hold on. Share
    15:45
    screen. Hold on. Uh, Batman. All right. [Music]
    15:55
    I want you to when you watch this everybody when you watch this what I want you to do is not only do they like show you everything's synced up but what's imagine all these Batman clips even when they repeat clips which they do in Jersey imagine all these muted where you're not even hearing the sound effects from the the moment in the in the show right this is rid like honest I want you to see how it should be done okay let me
    16:25
    And also look at just how much is on this screen. Shooting that spinner is going to give us a lot of
    16:42
    points. I mean, this is just the best coded game ever. Okay, now we're up to 13 billion. Why doesn't Mr. Freeze stop the ball save timer? Freeze all timers, my ass. Yeah, right. Freeze most timers. Sure. Um, okay. So, TV targets are blinking the best part of here. Come on. Come on. Um, let's try this. Please don't drink.
    17:17
    All right. So, let's play. Many points were scored in the making of this video. Look at that. Synced up. Nothing muted. Here comes the bonus. Ready for a spit take?
    17:38
    I mean, this crane is better than 1.7 billion points. I mean, this is how you do assets, people. [Laughter]
    17:57
    I mean, I don't even see him doing modes. I'm I'm going All right, I'm going to stop. I'm going to take a screenshot.
    18:09
    Okay, hold on. All right. All right, hold on. Hold on. screen. Okay, now what I said. Okay, remember when I said let's look at the clips. I think I'm going to like I think I can even zoom in on the clips. Hold on.
    18:43
    All right, let's watch this and see how many times you hear Harry Potter talk and watch how many muted clips are. Ready?
    19:16
    [Music] advanced. I mean the amount like scoop to start turn. I love the French shoot left to begin
    19:50
    [Applause] triangle. Flying car. Red. Look at this. How are you supposed to like All right. You hear the drill. You have one.
    20:36
    [Applause] [Music] Is this all real? He'll give it his best. You'll hear them now. I think that was muted. Aim for the death eater to start a battle. Quidditch is easy enough to understand this. Head to the order of the phoenix. My best friend.
    21:13
    It's just I can't no one's like where is like where's just like Okay. Is Harry going to speak? You going to say something? Nobody's speaking.
    21:31
    Curious. I just I'm Don't talk. Don't talk, Harry. Don't talk. shoots the side.
    21:49
    How is he just like multiple following shoot? [Music] Mute it. Mute it. M. Look, his mouth is moving. Nothing coming out of it. Mute it. Passengers jackpot. Muted. [Music] Combo travel
    22:19
    adviser [Music] to the huge I could put a slot machine below this and it feels like a spot
    23:08
    [Music] anything. We're going to hear from any of these characters.
    23:20
    Are they going to talk to each other? Nope. Classrooms collected. Folks, [Music] Phoenix reborn in three shots. Three shots. All right, let's watch. You can mute it. You know what I'm talking about. Shoot to save your ball. [Music]
    23:59
    Player [Music] two. We're watching the game on your what we [Music] think. Defeaters to
    24:45
    right? Pair three is up. Come on, guys. Hit some shots. Yeah, they gave out like [Music]
    25:04
    um bong bong. Look at that sound. Collect banners to qualify. Explore
    25:53
    [Music] There's so much going on. How isn't this I mean I don't know again Weasley and
    26:09
    Weasley game better with friends and people talking over it. Okay. Um, yeah. Look, it's like I said, gang, it it's the most Jersey jack jersey Jack game they've ever made. It it's it's how they it's how they it this is their philosophy on how pinball should be integrated. I know there's limitations to the license. I just All I'm saying gang is I'm I'm not a fan of like just the way they put so much everything's rainbow bright. Everything is just lit up. Like the sounds sound like the Wonka Chocolate Factory. And I'm not a fan of I think it's Mark Silk's call outs like all he it's like it the the amount of times the game is just always telling you what to shoot. I look it's fine. It's fine. I look it's a beautiful game. It's going to be fun. You're going to see it everywhere. Everyone's going to have one. So like I you know again like I'm glad it's out. I you know I just I was hoping there'd be something magical from the mech standpoint. I was hoping there'd be more of like a Hogwarts castle under glass. A world under glass. That is not a world under glass, people. Like, if we start saying that that's a world under glass, then we've all forgotten what a real world under glass looks like. And that is not it. Okay. Uh again, like the whole world building thing is a little too dramatic as well. Like some games should be like a world under glass and Harry Potter should be right when you actually are based on a theme where there's castles and if you go to wizarding world right I want to look down at Harry Potter pinball and feel more like I'm playing a miniature wizarding world environment it doesn't feel like that. It feels more like I I don't even know just like it doesn't have that it doesn't nail the the world of Harry Potter. I don't know any other way to say it. Like I I'm sorry. I'm just that's just the way I feel. I feel like it should have had more sculpts. It should have had like how do you not make Harry Potter and have twinkling candle lit vibe? like create a an an effect that feels like smoky darkness at night like like you know some of the spooky and creepy elements of Potter will never happen in this game because it's just rainbow bright everything louder than everything else and that's look Jersey Jack is to me what they're making here is something that feels like it's a redemption game and Dave and Busters that's just meant to light up and and pull you in and again like it's just how they make their games. And I'm just saying the sound my Did I mess up my
    29:22
    sound? I I might have moved the the wire. Let me know. Is it glitching? If it's glitching, get out of YouTube and come back in, someone said. Okay. I don't know. I don't know. Um Okay. So I I um yeah, can hit is not synced. So I a lot of you are going to get this game and I'm I'm just Yeah, like I I think it's uh it Let me ask Let me ask you guys a question. Other than the staircase, what's the next mech in this game that you think is really cool? Right. I I just want to know what you guys
    30:18
    think. Sound is clipping again. Am I clipping? Am I clipping? Death Enter fires the ball like dragon in Dn D.
    30:34
    Um, it's the coolest upper playfield I've seen. Okay, you guys are like, have you guys forgotten? And let me show you guys
    31:22
    what? Let's do this. just I think everyone forgot.
    31:35
    Oh, I know. This is like the early build of the game. This is funny. It's funny looking. Better the snake.
    32:08
    I even think like Potter just like I mean I pirates was a little bit you know the sound like feel I think came through a little bit more than that. Ah it's fine people. I'm happy I'm happy this game is finally out cuz now we can stop speculating. Um I am uh not sure when Predator's coming out. I think that's going to be the next one we get. I think we get it this week gang. I think um you know No, you're not just
    32:42
    um I I'm I don't think I've I I I'm I'm curious when you you know people say that I I've been saying mixed things about this game. Things I really like, things I don't. Why is that? I'm not just negative. If I had to give this game a score right now, just from what I've seen, I think it's a I think it's a B. I do. I don't think this is an A+ game. And and I'll tell you why. It's It's not even about I don't even care about the mute eclipse. I just think I I think it's kind of like it's kind of got not much in it. And I don't know why people don't understand. That's why. Dude, gang, there's a reason why they didn't take anything out of the base level because there's nothing to take out. And I just think this thing needed something much more magical in it. There's no balls flying through the air. There's no crazy use of like magic wands. There's no like there's no magic happening. There's a diverter and that's it. And I don't get why everybody like gets mad when I say that. Like why why why should Harry Potter a world of magic and spells and Voldemorts and battles like I this this looks like Willy Wonka, guys. He's like I literally like I it's just you could replace that spinning staircase with something else and you have another game, right? There's not even like think about it how you could change one thing and and it would be any other theme in the world and it you wouldn't even have a you know what I'm saying? Like oh it's not like oh that's I I just it's just you know
    34:29
    A few years ago, I felt the best way the best was yet to come in pinball after the last several releases. I I think Nick, I think you hit it, man. And and people are like, "Well, you're negative, Cana." I'm like, "Dude, it's the games, man. The games have all become so expensive and they removed so much of the magic. And it's just I I don't know. I I actually think King Kong's got way more in it mechanically than this game. I do. I do. I don't know which one shoots better because I haven't played Harry Potter yet. Um Kong shoots fine. it shoots, you know, great shooter, but I think King Kong's got way more like interesting stuff to look at as well. Um, both games don't make me want to buy him, but I'm just going to say like Kong's got more mechanically happening.
    35:32
    new well, you know, gang, it's it's crazy to me that like you can get the same game for 10 grand. I I actually I'm so I like Let's just pull this up. Hold on. I'm so disappointed in the topper, but I mean like gang, it's like are we
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    You know, when you think [Music] about, am I allowed to show this? Is this going to make people mad, too? Is this being mean? Is this being cruel? Is this being unfair? The hell is this thing? The hell is that? Like, what am I looking at? It's like it's like what happens when you when you when you assign the interns at Jersey Jack a project and they come back with this. This is what you're going to put on top of your lifelong dream pinball game. This. Okay. All right. Jersey Jack never cuts corners. Billionaire backer. This is what you stick on top of your game.
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    any any uh I could do better. Killian could do better than this in with
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    crayons. The hell is this? And this is my thing with Jersey Jack Pinball is how did that entire company walk by this thing for years and be like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What are we doing? We could we could get that sculpt on the left is 700 bucks. That's $700 to you and me. Doesn't cost them $700 to make that sculpt. You're telling me they could not in the years they spent making this game. Simply go to an official Harry Potter licensed sculpt maker who's made and sold thousands of of these to make a topper for them and light up the put candle LEDs in the windows. But this is what they made. And my point is like, and I've always said this, like details matter. And this is like putting on a tuxedo and then wearing a clown hat with a little propeller on the on the top of it. This is atrocious. And and and and again, I I know you don't play the toppers. I know. But my point being is that's always been my thing at Jersey Jack is like why does a company still after 12 years just do stuff like this? Yeah. Look at the spooky evil dead
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    topper. I I just I don't know how you mess up the easiest things. And when you mess up the easiest things So here's what happened. They made this topper and they weren't happy with it. And they tried to get Leor to make them a topper. Well, why did you wait so long to get Leor? Because they saw the topper on Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. And why is Leor making Why can Melvin at Dutch Pinball X get Leor to make a stunning topper? This would have been one of Leor's biggest cash days ever because imagine the amount of orders they would have had to place because they're going to get they're going to make thousands of CES and so now thousands of people have to like upgrade their topper because they got this crap on top.
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    Um, Jenga is let me just say this. Unboxing videos are boring. I just watched one on Harry Potter Z. It's just boring. Just wow. Look, it's got legs. It's got a backbox. Um, so yeah. Did they nail it? Am I being too mean? Am I the Debbie Downer? Or is this just like what what's happening
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    here? Uh, doesn't it feel like King Kong no one even cares anymore? Like do you feel that? I I feel that. Does anyone even like talk about King Kong anymore? Did anyone even start talking about Dune? What is Is there even a conversation going on around Dune? I I don't even know what's happening with that game. Like I Is anyone even getting it? Like what? That game came out now like what, six, seven weeks ago? It It's It's I'm going to confirm for you right now. Confirm. All right. This is going to be John Borg's game. Get ready. Um, and you tell me that you're not going to want this over Harry Potter. Get
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    on. All right. So you guys have your Harry Potter and this will be coming out from Stern Pinball next and you tell me which one you'd rather have. All
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    right. Why is it in full screen? Hold on. I need We'll handle this. We'll take the long way.
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    We got to do something. [Music] Artu, feel it. Feel it. Soul. Movies [Applause] aging. [Music]
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    [Music] [Applause] Heat. Heat. [Applause] [Music] So good. It is so good. [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause]
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    [Music] me. Heat. Heat. [Applause] [Music] Heat. All [Music]
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    unstable. Um, I don't know, gang. I think it's a great time to be a buyer. I I saw people debating like, "Name me a pro." Dude, pros are5 to $6,000. Come on. This game's 10 grand for the pro version. So, don't you can't like It's apples to oranges. Cassian's feeling better. He got a case of hand, foot, and mouth disease. He didn't get that bad, though. Uh, nobody got
    44:55
    infected. Yeah, like it's like I said in my show, gang, that modern pinball now is really a lot more about the software than the hardware. And the game has changed and it's just it's it's the new reality. Jenga, you've seen Harry Potter and you've seen Predator. Which one in your honest opinion, are you still excited for Predator? Do you think it's going to be able you know what's it's compete it's competing with? And and I know that Jenis knows that Arnold is not in Predator, but he won't say anything. See, well, we could ask him right now live. Hey, Jenis, yes or no? Is Arnold in Predator? Right? And it's like the silence means he's not in it. Cuz if he was in it, he just say yes, right? Why wouldn't you say, "Yeah, of course I got it. It's Predator." Like, "Can't wait for you guys to see it." Like, see, we all know what the theme is. So, I don't know why he won't say I don't know. Yes, you do. Yes, you
    45:58
    do. He's not in it. He's not in it. We all know. We all know. Um, we all know so Harry Potter week the the the launch was fine. You know, Retro Ralph and I were talking yesterday. He did the the featurette video. Um, you know, it's funny. Should we ball it up? Uh, let me let me pull up the featurette video. Let's see. History.
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    [Music] Uh it? Harry Potter pinball. Harry Potter featurette. Oh, no. This is This is I need the
    47:11
    featurette. Here we go. It's got 18,000 views. Well done. All right. You know what he This I got to show this because like most people won't notice it now. You can't unsee it. So, you're doing you get invited, right? You get the early access. You get to shoot the game. You get to interview the team. You get to put together the content that's going to get all the views. You know, you're pretty new to the pinball content space and now you're the guy like, "Right, Zachy didn't do it." Um, it wasn't anyone, you know, Carrie Hardy, it wasn't Jason Knap, it was Retro Ralph. And, you know, so all of this was his, it was a lot of work, right? He was telling me it's a lot of work to do it. So much so that Ralph forgot to do one thing. You ready? Once you see it, you can't unsee it. Here we go. Here we go. He's going to kill me. Um, he forgot to take the [Music] keys out of the back
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    box. My god, Ralph, you had one job. Take the keys out of the back. I I could just see like Leonard Leonard being like, "Why the f are there
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    keys?" I was going to say like, you know, I was I was joking like, should we start should should he be called backbox Ralph? I I think Backbox Ralph could be a new, you know, just an alternate
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    nickname. Chris leaving the keys in one of the second shot is bad.
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    Um, no. It's just funny. It's funny. You know, we're all just having fun, guys. Like, nobody is um, thank you for the five bucks. Um, I think he did a great job on the video. The only thing I was like, why is everybody talking like to the side? Like, is that how you do interviews? I guess so. I don't know. I haven't done any I haven't shot any featureetses like that, so I I wouldn't want to do all the work to be honest. Um I think it's uh it's funny, you know, because in the end I've noticed that when these games come out, it's just it's fun because what it does is it just hypercharges something new for all of us to talk about and we have a lot of fun. It's great for content. It's great for conversation. Um, and I I think people have a hard time with me just giving Harry Potter a B. Like, they have a hard time with that. Like, that's not a bad score. I'll tell you what I really like about Harry Potter. Okay, let me for those of you who think I'm just I'm not crapping on the game. And again, if you listen to my free show, I I say a lot of nice things about the game. I think the game shoots great. I think the artwork on the CE is stunning and phenomenal, and the story behind it is absolutely incredible. I think the um you know the fast gameplay is what Jersey Jack needs more of and I think that's great and it's exciting. Um I think the you know the music by David and what's in there musically is good. I I like that stuff and you know I think there the overall display of the game is beautiful. What I don't like about the game again is more like the music clip stuff. I just don't like that. I think I think the sound effects and the call outs are so Willy Wonka jackpot like slot machine sounding that it's a put it's a turnoff because I I think when I close my eyes and listen to this game it sounds more like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and less like Harry Potter and I think that the toppers you know how I feel about the topper. It's just embarrassing. I I if I were Jersey Jack I would hold off on putting toppers on the games and and I see they should have done that. They should have said like look we're not happy with the topper. We're gonna ship the games without toppers and and then, you know, or order some from someone better and and everyone would rather wait for a great topper than get that crap. Okay. Um and I don't like the lack of mechs and magic in the game. I I don't see the magic and in the in the mechs and I don't see anything creatively that felt like a real real challenging thing to do. Um, I get that the diverter staircase sends the ball in 13 different directions. I get that. It's cool. Just that should have been the second or third mech that wowed us, not the main mech. And that's and that's my take on Potter. It's a B game. I I think the layout is is like a B+ A minus. I think the artwork on the CE is an A+. I think the theme integration of it all is like a B minus uh because of all the muted stuff. Again, it's just my opinion. I think the sounds and the call outs are kind of like I I David can't overcome the Wonka like slot machine stuff happening. So, I don't know if they're going to fix that, but that feels very, you know, I I don't know. I'm like it's like a B minus in that territory. Um, so yeah. Like I I don't know. Like I are are people really thinking that this layout is as good as like what we've seen recently from Jack Danger and Keith Owen or Steve Richie Elton John? I I don't see it. I I'm not even sure. I think this I I haven't played it yet. So I don't know. So I will play it. I Monday this game is supposed to arrive at automated. So I'm expecting to maybe play the game on Monday.
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    This is better. Really? Okay. All right. Elemental. So, you look I I'm I would be the biggest loser if I started arguing about gameplay and I haven't played it. So, like I I'm just going to go off of like what other people are saying, but everything is subjective. Do I agree it's Eric's best? Yeah, cuz his other stuff I think I think Eric's games in order of what looks like to be the best layouts are Harry Potter, then Pirates of the Caribbean, then Godfather, then Guns and Roses. But man, like Eric's I I think Steve Richie helped for sure on this. But yeah, but I still don't think Eric is uh I I Here's my thing with Eric because his first game was Pirates. I always expected to see similar magic in all of his games and I feel like he hasn't delivered anything mechanically as interesting as his first game. And so that's my thing with Eric is like I always feel like he's he hasn't he hasn't like ascended into making magical mechs. I think his I I don't know if you it's sad but like his kind of his pedigree is like he couldn't they couldn't do the triple spinning disc. They yanked it out. They didn't get the treasure trest to open up and since then his games have been somewhat like empty mechanically. So I I don't know what to tell you. Guns and Roses didn't really have he's like he really does love diverting the ball. I'll say that. I think Guns and
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    Roses I mean looking I mean again I'm very subjective here but looking down at Guns and Roses to me is more interesting than looking down at Potter. I know Potter shoots better, so don't kill me there. I also think like G&R like what what it does do well and the wow it does create I haven't seen anything like I haven't seen anything that the Potter machine does yet that is wowing me. So let me ask you guys that question because it's like you know it's just a subjective we're just having a discussion here. What what is wowing you when you look at Harry Potter below the glass? I just want to hear from you. We're we're just talking about magic and wow and just moments that make you
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    giddy. Is 96 modes too many? Um, yes, but not if you're a Potter fan and not if they make it. So, it looks like it's going to be easy to enjoy those 96 because I think the way, you know, you select between the six movies, I like that. So, I think you're, you know, I like the choose your own adventure. So, it's like, you know, as long as they're satisfying. My only fear with 96 is just like they're going to be not as satisfying as people want. Yeah, buddy. He's starting to go there now. Come here. Say hi. Come say hi. Hold on. Hold on. Don't touch the mic. Can you say hi? Hi. Can you wave to everybody? Can you say Harry Potter pinball? Harry Potter and Pinball. Can you say welcome to the jungle? Welcome to the jungle. We got what? We got Mighty Pups. We got Mighty Pups. Yeah. I don't know if that's the next line. Um, would you pay $10,000 for a Harry Potter pinball? Uh, no. Nope. Okay. Yes. Yes. Okay. Look, Daddy. Okay. Tell mommy. Does she want me to meet you guys somewhere? Go ask mommy if she wants me to meet you guys somewhere. No. Daddy, tell mommy. Let's go now. Let's go now. Yeah. Okay. We're going to go in a little bit. Open the garage door. Can I pretend to drive? All right. Hold on, gang. Give me five more minutes. Five minutes. Nope. Kill him. Don't kill him. You want to pretend to drive or All right, get in. He's going to pretend to drive.
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    I love being a dad of boys. And if you have girls, that's that's awesome, too. You just turn the lights on. Whenever I get back into my car after Killian's been in it, I'm always like, he messes with everything that it's something something's always way off.
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    that. He's so cheeky. Like he's so like he just knows how to mess. Um, how's everybody doing? I've got I got to agree. Guns and Roses is not as good as a shooter, but it does have more mechanical satisfying show. Um I'm asking what you guys are saying was wow the bouncing car in the tree is wow. I know you're joking
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    there. Hold on a second, gang. Come on, buddy. You got to get out. Come on. Turn that turn the car off. Come on. Come on. Let's go see mommy. Come on. Where's the map? Where Where' the map go? You get it. Okay. The car now. Okay. Come on. Get the map.
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    Oh my god. Kill. Come on, buddy. Come on. Get the map. But the map crumble. Okay. Here. I don't like the map. Mommy's got other ones. Come on. Okay.
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    Come on. He He would never be a good pinball owner cuz he's so OCD that he would like every little Come on. Come on. No. No. No. Don't get out that side, Kell. No, cuz the door's going to hit the wall. Come on. Come out this side. Thank you. Come on. I'll help you. Don't touch that.
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    Okay. Okay. All right. Take this. Daddy, get me closed up, daddy. There you go. Take this to mommy. I don't like cake. I'm not. Okay. Well, we can get another
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    one. All right. Did we get moments of wow? Do Did we get any? Um, except my oldest son. Okay. Let's see. I find myself looking back to theater of magic. Pinball. Even Aerosmith with the flying ball, right? I mean, dude, how about the milk can shot and Houdini? Houdini's got way more magic in it than Harry Potter, gang. The ball never disappears. Can Can we stay that fact for a moment? The ball never disappears. It never flies through the air. It never gets transformed. It never goes in one place and comes out another mysteriously. I don't understand why everyone's just like, "This game's a masterpiece. This game's packed. This game's loaded. I don't understand. Why am I Are you seeing something I'm not? It drops into the cauldron." And No, it just passes through, Jesse. Doesn't stay in the cauldron. The three balls don't like, you know what I'm saying? It's just a pass through. It's just That's not That's Is that magical?
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    And then out the Jesse, it's this big. It tr it passes through something this big. If it went into the cauldron, it should have gone into a subway and then that subway should have had the ball reemerge somewhere else. How cool would that have been? Do we not forget like Wizard of Oz has a flying monkey, has a witch that comes up from underneath the playfield, has a house that spins an upper two upper playfields. I thought this had three levels of play. Where's the third level of play? Is there a third level of
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    Um, okay. So, do you do you guys actually think I've been too critical of Harry Potter? I haven't been that critical. It's a It's a B. A B is a good score,
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    right? Isn't I I don't know. I don't know. Put this game next to Dialed In. I I'm just going to say this, gang. I actually think Toy Story has more wow in it. And I think the Duke Kaboom jump is just more looks to be more fun and wow. And like even though that's not even much, but it's fine, gang. I mean, look, I think there's there's tremendous pressure on me by I don't even know by who. Maybe my myself to just find more peace of mind in life. And believe me, I'm not waking up in a bad mood because of Harry Potter. I think the game is is is going to make a lot of people happy. I think it's good for Pinball. It's going to bring more people into the hobby, which might bring more people to Canadas Pinball Podcast, more people to hang out here. So, it's a good thing for Pinball. It's a good thing for Pinball. Uh I think the pressure is on Stern. Stern's Kong is not selling like they thought it would. Ellies are still not sold out. I think uh Barrels of Fun, I don't know what I don't know how they get people reignited into Dune. I don't know how you do it now. Uh I I I' Yeah, I'd rather have a because the problem with Dune is it's expensive, right? It's like and I get that they you know they give you a lot in it and I love that they they sync up their assets 100%. But it's just like you know you're asking people for 12 grand now and I think the one game that did it the best is Evil Dead. And that's see my my thing is this is you know the Harry Potter orders are going to be tremendous. The wait to get one might be long and you know we're going to get maybe Jaws 50th in a couple weeks. Then we might get Star Wars. We're gonna get Back to the Future eventually. We're going to get Beetlejuice. There's a lot still coming. It's all very expensive. There's so much competition now. you know, because if you're stern and you know, the last thing you want though is you know, thousands of orders going to a competitor because th that's potentially thousands of orders you're no longer going to get. And the entire market now is is so saturated. And I'm I'm worried about a lot of people's like nest eggs and the world economy. And I mean, I'm worried I'm, you know, I'm always worried about my job because that's what my industry's turned into. It's pretty brutal out there and everyone's just grinding it out and holding on. Um, but nobody has any job security anymore in corporate America. And maybe they never did, but I it's much worse now than it ever was before. So, you know, there's only so much you can do. I I feel like I have the skills to keep doing what I'm doing even if I do it somewhere else. And and but, you know, I'm saving money now. I'm still spending on stuff, but like again like I'd rather spend $15,000 a year going out and doing experiential stuff versus like Harry Potter pinball because look, I can get in my car on Monday can drive 30 minutes to automate it. Um, you know, Frank's going to be there. I think we're just going to play at night when it's closed down and I might just go and like spend all evening playing Harry Potter. And look, if I come back, and I mean this, if I come back after playing Harry Potter and I have a blast, right? And it's I'm going in to the game with a very open mind because I know what to expect with the clips. I I I again, I want to just see if I can get connect with the game, if it will click with me, and I want to spend a few hours on it and just see how I, you know, how it makes me feel. I want to go into the game too with a little bit of a knowledge of like what to shoot for and how to play the game so I'm not just like, you know, confused and flipping around for an hour or
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    two. Where is Padre's game? Um, I don't know. It's supposed to be a Toaden
    66:50
    remake. Did anyone here buy Dune? We have 131 people. Anyone here buy Dune? I'm just curious like I I don't see many people like in the owners club and I don't see a lot of conversation. I mean Potter conversations it's starting to peter out. Also, the Potter conversation is, you know, it's becoming balanced and I I I I like reading what people's thoughts are. Um, I know you guys like enjoying my point of view, my opinions, and everyone just has an opinion, right? It's it's ultimately I think what I like too is there's no FOMO with this game at all. People keep reaching out to me like, "Would you get it? Should I get it?" I'm like, "Dude, just go play it. Just go play it." There it's never going to be hard to get a Harry Potter in any trim you want. Jersey Jack has just blown up the FOMO and the collectibility, but I guess it's like, who cares, right? Who
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    cares? What do you think JJP's next game is? Uh, it's a good question. I heard it's a '9s property. It's not Matrix.
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    I really do think it might be Sonic because it's not it's not a music pin. It's not Top Gun. So, we'll see. I don't I don't think it's Beasty
    68:21
    Boys. Yeah, I I I've heard that some of the dunes in the wild are having issues. Like I was talking to a um an operator and he said two coils burnt out and that's a little concerning and maybe one of the reasons why they're sort of slowly releasing them. I think they're using the ones on location to problem solve uh game issues. That's why customers really aren't getting Dune
    68:53
    yet. H, say by the bell would be I think we need more like comedy show pinball machines. Like the the office would be so funny. Like heck, I feel like a Seinfeld pinball machine would sell. You know what I'm saying? Like Lyman Lyman coding a Seinfeld pinball machine would would be amazing. What can you do to make a beasty boy a good Beasty Boys pin? Um, I mean, you know, in the end, like music pins are kind of all like easy to do. Just make it satisfying to shoot and play the damn music. I mean it. Like that's literally all it really takes. Make it fun to shoot and play the damn
    69:36
    music. So yeah, Three Stooges, guys. We're trying to make money here. Peewee's Big Adventure would be great. Absolutely. I actually think I would love it if Spooky made um Edward Scissor Hands. I I think Edward Scissor Hands would be the perfect pinball machine. I think the scenes from it. You could ease Talk about a world under glass gang. The ice castles, the the the the hedges, you know, transformed into dinosaurs, the houses, the row of houses down the block could be in the game. Um, you know, you've got so much in that. and the music of Danny Elfman and and oh omg Edward Scissor Hands would be so special and that's just yeah all the Adam Sandler movies would be funny. Tropic Thunder would be an amazing pin. Can you imagine Tropic Thunder pin? I mean it it would they would never make that movie. Zoolander would be um how good would a Zoolander pin be? You know, got the Magnum Orbit only turns turns
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    right. So, everybody look, we're going to go to this porch jam now. Um this is fun today. Fun today. Uh lots more will come of Harry Potter over the weekend as people unbox it today. And I think it's going to be a well-received pin. I think they're going to sell a ton of them. I think I've been fair. I've got mixed feelings about the game. And it's more about the way Jersey Jack uses its screen, uses the assets and the sounds they have. I think I think they're kind of just making every game just feels like it's delivered in the same way now. Regardless of theme, it just comes at you like a Willy Wonka slot machine. And I just don't like it. I think I think but that's their design approach. That's their UI. Like that's how they that's how they envision the best way to translate a theme into a fun pinball experience. Some people might like it, some don't. I'm in the camp of I don't really it's not really jing with me. I I I think they have the most beautiful games. I think they're always stunning to stand over. Uh Avatar is another stunning game. So is Elton. Um, so all their games are stunning. I think where their games fall down is I think sometimes they lack soul and they lack heart and it just the games just don't click with you the way other machines do. And I, you know, when I saw people say like, "Oh, this game's better than Lord of the Rings." Stick to your last. I would I've seen enough of Harry Potter to know that I would still rather have a Lord of the Rings game because of all the the way that game connects you to the films, the way the mechs in the game connect to the moments of magic, the way the game invites you to the way you get to multiballs in Lord of the Rings and the energy when those multiballs happen. I'm still feeling that like weird sort of caval like you when you start these multiballs in Harry Potter the way Mark's voice it's just it just doesn't feel like an occasion like a moment. It just you know Avatar had the same problem. This game seems to have the same. It's just you're just kind of like going through it and it's just I don't know and that's my worry. It just feels like it's not an event like it's not like wow. It's just, you know, when you when you hear like the call outs in Lord of the Rings versus this like, you know, again, just saying. Just saying. All right, everybody. Look, have a great Saturday. Go do some stuff outside. You know how I feel. Pinball's a winter sport. I'm I'm happy you guys take the time to hang out here. We didn't really get much money today. We got like five bucks. I got to figure out a way, right? because I literally am losing hundreds of dollars not doing Facebook lives to do it here for you guys. So, if you enjoyed the show, always love to have people do super chats. I need to get better at like, you know, provoking people to do it because it just is the way it goes. Um, but again, always happy for whatever support people want to give. And if you ever want to make um a donation to the show, uh it's canap pinballgmail.com is my uh PayPal. So, uh, always appreciate it. I think my favorite PayPal donation ever was from Kim Mitchell. I was in Ireland and I'm like, "Wow, look at what he just gave." And he's like, "Chris, go take Brenda out for an amazing dinner." And it was like more than enough for like five amazing dinners. So, that that's Kim Mitchell, ladies and gentlemen. One of the greatest. One of the greatest. Um, everybody be good. We will talk soon. And don't get in fights over Harry Potter pinball. It's it's all going to be good. Modern pinball is not as special as it was 5 years ago. You guys all know this. These games are not as good as they used to be. They're just more expensive. We've all been gas lit. If this game came out like Wizard of Oz has so much more in it. Just remember that. $6,500. You've been gas lit. Later.