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Episode 92: Talking Pinball with Jeremy Schmitz!!!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Mar 17, 2021
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TL;DR

Jeremy Schmitz guest ep: collection talk, George Gomez insights, industry news, wide body debate.

Summary

Episode 92 of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast features guest Jeremy Schmitz, a pinball collector with 20+ machines discussing his collection, restoration projects, and encounters with pinball legends. The episode covers news from This Week in Pinball including a George Gomez interview about wide bodies and licensing, Led Zeppelin Premium spinner fixes, Chicago Game Company release schedules, and various industry updates.

Key Claims

  • George Gomez stated that wide bodies are inherently flawed due to compromised kinetics and weak shots outside standard flipper width

    high confidence · Hosts citing George Gomez interview from This Week in Pinball article by The Pinball Chick

  • George Gomez and Steve Ritchie were vying for the Mortal Kombat license, but Gomez was pigeonholed into Johnny Mnemonic by Williams CEO due to Keanu Reeves' Point Break success

    high confidence · Hosts discussing George Gomez interview on Twip

  • Led Zeppelin Premium and Limited Edition owners are experiencing spinner issues in the electric magic device that Stern is working to fix

    high confidence · This Week in Pinball news report

  • Chicago Game Company's release schedule includes a remake, a first licensed original game, and Ben Heck's game

    medium confidence · Ben Heck discussion with Chicago Game Company and Spooky mentioned in news segment

  • Jeremy purchased a Sea Witch that had been sitting unmoved in Winneconne, Wisconsin since 1985 with zero maintenance for $1,500

    high confidence · Jeremy Schmitz direct statement

  • Jeremy paid $1,800 for Johnny Mnemonic and $1,300 for Addams Family, both of which required repairs

    high confidence · Jeremy Schmitz direct statements during collection discussion

  • Steve Ritchie helped Jeremy load a broken Getaway into his vehicle at MGC after the game had an opto malfunction

    high confidence · Jeremy Schmitz anecdote about MGC event (stated as 2016 or 2017)

  • Rachel burned out a coil on Shadow at District 82 during warm-up before a tournament

    medium confidence · Hosts discussing Rachel's incident with Shadow machine

Notable Quotes

  • “I'm really glad that I had to make a narrow body. I didn't know then, but in my opinion, wide bodies are inherently flawed. The kinetics are compromised.”

    George Gomez (cited in interview) @ ~27:00 — Gomez articulates his design philosophy on playfield width and ball physics

  • “And he puts on his shades and says, hey, take care. And he walks on.”

    Jeremy Schmitz @ ~13:00 — Jeremy's anecdote about Steve Ritchie helping him load Getaway at MGC, emphasizing Ritchie's cool demeanor

  • “My whole point. My thesis is George Gomez is an alien, and thank God he's making pinball.”

    Host (Orby implied) @ ~29:00 — Humorous take on Gomez's technical knowledge and design philosophy

  • “I think Indiana Jones doesn't shoot like a wide body, dude. No, no. That game is fucking beautiful. It shoots like a dream.”

    Jeremy Schmitz @ ~35:00 — Pushback on Gomez's wide body critique, citing counter-example

  • “If you guys don't know who Drew's handle is, it's poor man's pinball.”

    Host @ ~18:00 — Meta reference to Poor Man's Pinball branding

Entities

Jeremy SchmitzpersonGeorge GomezpersonSteve RitchiepersonThe Pinball ChickpersonBen HeckpersonDrewpersonRachelpersonOrbyperson

Signals

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    design_philosophy: George Gomez articulates detailed physics-based criticism of wide body pinball machines, arguing kinetics are compromised and flipper stroke cannot effectively hit shots outside standard width

    high · George Gomez interview featured on This Week in Pinball; detailed quote about kinetics, flipper arc, solenoid force, and ball physics

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    licensing_signal: George Gomez and Steve Ritchie competed for Mortal Kombat license; Gomez was directed to Johnny Mnemonic by Williams CEO citing Keanu Reeves' Point Break momentum

    high · Hosts citing George Gomez interview details about licensing strategy and competitive dynamics in 1990s

  • ?

    code_update: Led Zeppelin Premium and Limited Edition spinners in electric magic device are experiencing issues; Stern actively working on fix

    high · This Week in Pinball news report: 'we're working hard to resolve the spinning target EM unit issues'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Chicago Game Company has mapped release schedule: remake, licensed original game, then Ben Heck's game

    medium · Ben Heck discussion mentioning CGC and Spooky coordination on releases

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    personnel_signal: Ben Heck is working more closely with Spooky Pinball and has a game in CGC's release pipeline

    medium · Hosts noting Ben Heck 'flirting with Spooky a bit more and working for those guys now' and game scheduled in CGC releases

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Transcript

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0:00
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1:25
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2:07
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Chicago Game Company (CGC)
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Spooky Pinballcompany
Stern Pinballcompany
Flippin' Out Pinballcompany
This Week in Pinball (Twip)organization
Multimorphiccompany
District 82venue
Cleveland Pubvenue
MGC (Midwest Gaming Classic)event
Flippin' and Mashin'organization
Jerry Stellenbergperson
Zach Minneyperson

gameplay_signal: Community discussion about whether wide body playfields have inferior shot flow vs narrow bodies; examples cited: Indiana Jones, Twilight Zone, Demolition Man as well-flowing wide bodies despite Gomez critique

medium · Hosts and chat disagreeing with Gomez assessment, citing specific games that 'shoot like a dream' despite wide body design

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    restoration_signal: Jeremy undertaking year-long Shadow playfield swap using CPR reproduction, replacing blown-out sanctuary hole with working donor part

    high · Jeremy describing 'nickel and diming' restoration, took photos, replaced diverters with NOS parts

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    collector_signal: Hosts noting steep price increases for certain machines (Taxi, Popeye); Jeremy paid $1,500 for non-functional Sea Witch in 2009 era, would not pay current prices

    medium · Discussion of historical deals vs current market pricing; Tony Scoots joke about Popeye reaching $5,000

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    community_signal: Jeremy Schmitz inducted as tribe member #36; Orby announcing new podcast subscriber milestone

    high · Hosts explicitly welcoming Jeremy as tribe member; Orby congratulating via chat

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    venue_signal: District 82 hosting tournaments with working Shadow machine; MGC (Midwest Gaming Classic) bringing significant machines like TNA Whitewood on regional tour

    medium · Jeremy's anecdotes about playing Shadow at District 82 and Whitewood line at MGC around 2016-2017

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    product_concern: Discussion of QA challenges with modern Stern games (Monster Bash, Led Zeppelin, Stranger Things) requiring adjustments out of box due to shipping and assembly variation

    medium · Hosts noting most modern games need tweaking; Monster Bash exception that required no adjustment; acknowledgment of high manufacturing volume

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    industry_signal: Multiple pinball podcasts active and cross-promoting; Flippin' and Mashin' noted as official Rebel podcast after Facebook removal; Multimorphic executive featured as guest

    medium · References to Flippin' and Mashin', Jerry Stellenberg interview, podcast network visibility

    • 2:40
    Brought to you by CatWiz. Take away the block holes on my biceps. Hold on. Hold on. I promised my man Jeremy here we were going to play the original. So give me a second here. I don't know why it went. Poor man's pinball pumps. Dude, that pisses me off. It's there. Let's try that again.
    3:19
    Oh, yeah. It's time. You waited a week or more, and now it's finally here. The time has come for the sloppiest show on the internet. This week's episode of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Starring Drew and Ian. Watch this, man. Game over, man. Game over.
    3:46
    I'm on a need for someone to help me. I'm gonna need somebody's name. One of a kind, give me a drink.
    3:59
    One of a kind, a chance to see. One of a kind, if I make you dream. One of a kind, I'll make you wait. Welcome to the 4-Man Spinball Podcast, episode number 92. Woo! 92? 92. And we have Jeremy here in the house. Jeremy, what is going on, brother?
    4:28
    Hello, hello, hello. We're up in Milan. We're all here together for your entertainment. How's everyone doing out there? All right, so we're going to shoot the shit. But, Jeremy, how you been, man? Man, all right, all right. How about yourself? Good, good. So if you're wondering, where's Drew? Drew's ass is somewhere in Florida. Getting a tan. I don't think that fucker tans, though. So, you know, Drew, whatever, dude. He's probably drinking. Solidarity. I'm drinking with you. Right. So is Jeremy. So solidarity to you, Drew. But, yeah, no, love, life is good. So no Drew today. We got Jeremy. Jeremy Schmidt. Jeremy, are you a Tribe member? Yes. 36. Number 36. I knew that. I was just testing them. Well, welcome, Jeremy. Welcome to the show. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm filling in for Drew. He's away. I'm just like, why not fill in? Rather not, you know, not to show. Yeah. New subscriber. What? Woo-hoo. Yeah. I'm going to hang along, but can't wait to see you on the red carpet. Pimple Nerds Podcast. Thank you, Orby. Thank you. Love it. See, we're already starting off good, man. All right. So, what you drinking, dude? You know, before you answer that, we have to open up the bar. So let's open this fucker up here.
    5:43
    That's not it. First day. It's bad. All right. The show's getting sloppier by the minute. Come in. Grab a seat. The bar is open.
    6:00
    Kaz likes these dick weights. Kaz. Yeah, they're still here, buddy. yeah this smells so fresh brother Drew sucks at pinball ah Tim Drew sucks at pinball like usual poor Drew he can't get away from it F you Tim oh that's harsh that's for real so what you drinking today Jeremy I have cool coolers light so just keep it like right in front of you about a fifth away from your mouth just that's what i hear and i am drinking today a little gentleman's jack because what the hell if we're gonna have a sloppy podcast might as well have fun being oh yeah so i see a ton of people already in chat we got pinball nerds we got tony scoots we got cars we got rachel tim lee hey thank you everybody for joining us on a wonderful monday thanks for showing up So, a lot to talk about. Lots. So much to talk about, man. I know it. So, I'm going to cross off, shoot the shit, because this is our done. We're done. We're already checking shit off.
    7:10
    First order of business. I already opened the bar. See, I don't need to do this with Drew. Look at this. We got shit done. Jeremy and I are going to be efficient tonight, folks. All right. So, for now. So, Jeremy. Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy. What's up, buddy? Let's learn a little bit about you. Oh, yeah? What you did? What do you want to know? Chad, what do you want to know? What do you want to know about Jeremy? Well, Jeremy, let's start with this. How long have you been into pinball?
    7:37
    2009. Wow, that was the year, right, when shit started going downhill, right? Oh, yeah, definitely, for sure. So how did that explain that experience? You got into the hobby that was dead. Well, my first experience was I was so excited. Everybody was talking about Chicago Pinball Expo, and I went down there in that fall of 2009 to Chicago Pinball Expo. Yeah. And that was the year after Stern laid a whole bunch of people off. Oh, okay. And that's when I was like, that game was Wheel of Fortune. Yeah, yeah. And everybody's like, oh, is Stern going to hang on by a thread, you know? Right. And I'm just like, I'm so excited because I'm new to the hobby, so I'm all excited for pinball. And everybody's like, yeah, they don't make any Valley Williams games no more. Sucks to be you. Yeah, and Stern is making Buck Hunter and real bad games and stuff like that. And then, yeah, I've been in the hobby. I've been collecting. I used to buy and flip and sell games, but then I saw prices raising, and it was just a lot of work to do that. So I'm just kind of at that point where I'm collecting my games. Sure, sure. How many games have you got?
    8:52
    I'm over 20. Over 20? Do they got to be working? No. It's the Foreman's Football Podcast. Okay, okay. Do they got to be set up? I'm like, okay. No, no. You should see Dave Brennan's set up. He has a whole section that is impressively not set up.
    9:09
    All right, so why don't you lay down some of your games. What's some of the best games you own, some of your favorites? Give us some of the good stuff. Games that are just upstairs? Oh, geez.
    9:20
    Multiple levels of games? Well, yeah, I'm in an apartment. I'm in a duplex. Ah, okay. So it's like, you know, I got upstairs and lower, and I'm like, man, if I ever lose this apartment, I'm never – I wouldn't know where to go with any of these games. Oh, so you rent the upper and the lower? Oh, it's a duplex. It's a side-by-side. Oh, it's a side-by-side. So you got an upper and lower unit. Got it. And so I got an upstairs, and the downstairs is pretty much my walkout area. But upstairs I have Batman Dark Knight, Getaway, Tales of Arabian Nights, Diner, Rob Zombie, Metallica Premium, Doctor Who, Hurricane, Batman Data East, Last Action Hero, Johnny Mnemonic. And downstairs are my project games. Well, projects, fixing them up, doing whatnot. I got Twilight Zone, Indiana Jones, Star Trek Next Generation, Adam's Family, Whitewater, Party Zone that doesn't work, Funhouse that doesn't work, The Shadow that doesn't work, and Sea Witch that doesn't work. And I got a couple games. I got a monster bash that I loaned to a friend of mine. How long has that friend had that monster bash? About six months. he keeps he keeps calling me to ask me to go come get it but i'm like dude i you just hang on to it for a little bit i'm like i got no place to go for it right now let me just put the playfield back into the shadow first right so the shadow complete playfield swap what are we doing there um yeah actually what i did with the shadow was the sanctuary hole is you know blown out of them like most of them are and i had a nice fully working one actually took it to MGC and uh I took it to MGC one year and uh that was pretty cool and uh it just it was a blown out play field and I bought a CPR you know reproduction I had it in my house for about a year and then I decided you know what why the hell not I'm gonna go ahead start doing it you know that's a hell of a game to do a play field swap on well it's just a lot of work you know it's a lot tedious work and it's just like every time I touch something it's like I either gotta fix something or I gotta make it better right you know and I'm just like oh my god nickel then diamond i'm just like it's been a year now yeah i took it out i took it out about april of last year so i don't know about you how the fuck would you remember where all the pieces go i took pictures on my phone god i did that too and then i lost my phone oh my god that has been horrible yeah i don't remember how they deleted i forgot how it worked don't worry it's laser where there's like three pop bumpers that's it yeah yeah see what's his only only uh recent an acquirement. I actually just purchased it. The pitch was for $1,500. Nice. Well, it doesn't work. Nice. It's so nice. Well, the thing is, the guy who had it had it sitting in the exact same spot since 1985.
    12:12
    Like, no. Like, you can tell where the game has never been moved. You know? Where was it? Oh, Winnicottie, Wisconsin. Yep. That's about right. That place hasn't moved since 1985. Yeah. I go up there, and I look at it, and I'm just like, I go, how much maintenance have you dunked to it he goes absolutely zero oh i looked at the battery i'm like it's just leaked all over the board but i'm like hey it's a fake it yeah it's a sea witch so i'm just like those early sterns are just you know getting all costly so why not cause i totally repaired a shadow the diverters were a pain in the ass have you played with those yet oh yeah i've taken them out i've replaced them yep definitely for sure i actually what i did was i lucked out and i found a good pinball friend of mine who actually had two brand new nos uh diverters really yeah he had two brand old nos diverters and for those of you that are not cool nos means new and old oh yeah uh new old stock it will be a fun game once i get it all working if you ever you ever play one shadow oh yeah i do i played it over at district 82 which we'll talk a little bit later but yeah district 82 had a beautiful one yeah so that fucker just kills yeah it's awesome You know Rachel started it on fire, right? She started it on fire? Oh, yeah. You didn't hear about that? No, Rachel. You started it on fire? It was beautiful. Before the tournament even started.
    13:37
    Was that part of the tournament, too? No, it was. It took it off. Rachel, yes, I did. Burned up a coil? Yeah, burned up a coil. Atta girl. Oh, boy. All right, well, very nice. We're proud of you, Rachel. So, and this is why we needed her in the tribe day one. But as a warm-up game, ball got stuck. All right, yeah, now she's got the excuses.
    14:04
    She's like, um, there's smoke pouring out. Eric, Eric, Eric, service. So, all right, so you mentioned you had an Indiana Jones and a Twilight Zone. What state of repair are those fuckers in? Oh, those are all other games that are just, there's a lot going on in those games. Yeah, no, actually they both work pretty good. Actually, the only dead one is Party Zone, Funhouse. I haven't turned that game on in years. So I'm just like, that one might work. Okay.
    14:39
    It's a project in name only. We're not too sure, guys. Well, you bought for $1,500. You got what you paid for. You know what I'm saying? What are you finding these $1,500 deals? Dude, that was years ago. Of course. See, I'm always too late. See, me as a poor man, I probably could have done well back in the early 2000s. I was in arcades at the time. Well, that's why I laugh. I see some of the prices that are online right now. I'm just like, oh, my God, I would never pay that, but it is what it is. Yeah, you already collected it, so you're good to go.
    15:07
    All right. I can't afford to sell them. What's this? I thought Pony Factory will have a working smokestack topper. Kaz, I thought that was, wasn't that supposed to be Deep Root with the working sparks and smoke? Anyway, which pin is bolted down to the floor in your collection? Tony Scoots wants to know. Adam's Family. It's the game I've had the longest.
    15:29
    And, yeah. Okay. I remember when we inducted you as a tribe member, you mentioned your Adam's Family being kind of the reason why you got into the hobby. Oh, yeah. First love? Oh, yeah, definitely, for sure. When I was a kid, I was pumping quarters into that game. Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely, for sure. Okay. All right, all right. I bought that. It's the oldest game I've had I bought long ago. Ooh.
    15:54
    Which game did I pay more for, my M's family or my Johnny Mnemonic? Well, now if you pose that question, I'm assuming Johnny Mnemonic. I did. So how much did you pay for the Johnny Mnemonic? George Goldman's special, by the way. I paid $1,800 for Johnny Mnemonic. $1,800? Yep. And how much did you pay for the? M's family? Yeah. $1,300. Did you hear that, kids? Did you hear that? $1,300. Does that work pretty good? It does now. All right. At the time you bought it, it didn't work? Yeah. The display was out on it. The display board had a big torpedo hole in it. Torpedo hole? Yeah, it just burned up. Okay.
    16:31
    I never heard of that term, the torpedo hole. Well, you can't fix it. There's a big burn hole in it, and you're just like, yeah. It's done. You can't fix it.
    16:39
    Well, yeah. You know what? I did start my Space Invaders on fire. I forgot I did do that. Oh, yeah? Yeah, that was a fun one. And it was like the wire that goes to the speaker came undone, and it was just a loose live wire kind of in there, and then it grounded onto something, and I wasn't getting sound. So, you know, they had that audio test button in those older games. So I hammered on that thing until sparks and smoke and all sorts of things came popping off the board. So, you know, fire school. Rachel, you're not alone. I mean, if you're not starting a machine on fire, you're not trying. I think we all can agree on that. So, all right. So, let's keep going. All right. So, we got through what games you like. Now, if you don't know, Jeremy and I went out on Saturday night. We had some fun. I had a little too much fun. We'll get into that later. But he told me a good Steve Ritchie story, and I thought that was a good one. Oh, you want to hear the Steve Ritchie story? Yeah. So the background is we were talking about MGC coming up, and Jeremy does bring games to that event. I do. And he had a really cool story about Corvette, right? Oh, getaway. Getaway. Sorry, getaway. Corvette was George Gomez. Getaway, yeah. So tell everyone that great Steve Ritchie story. Everyone loves Steve Ritchie stories. Yeah, right. Everybody loves a Steve Ritchie story for sure. Yeah, yep. My Steve Ritchie story was this is when MGC was going on, and I think it was probably the year either 2016 or 2017. This is when TNA was doing the Whitewood, and they were bringing it to all their shows. They just left Texas, and they were bringing it to MGC. And, you know, I'm all excited to play the Whitewood, but so was everybody else. And you had to wait like three or four people in line to play the Whitewood. That's how cool this thing was. And I remember at like midnight, I finally saw the line cutting down, you know, for this Whitewood. I'm like, yes, I'm going to get some time. I'm like, I'm going to grab two beers out of my car. I'm going to go play this thing. And so finally I have one of these beers. I'm drinking it. I'm just about to go play this TNA. This guy in a black shirt comes down the hallway. I mean, this is at midnight, right? He comes down the hallway, and he boots in front of me. and he was like, hey, do you mind if I cut in and play this? And I'm just like, yeah, I guess. Go ahead, man. And I was out there watching him playing the TNA in the Whitewood. That was Steve Ritchie. Yeah, that was Steve Ritchie. And I was just like, well, what are you going to do? You're not going to say no. What a jerk. Right? And I'm just like, oh, I'm just like, whatever. It's cool. But then later I took a getaway there for the free play hall. and somewhere during saturday night something happened with one of the optos and like it kept spitting balls out and it wasn't like draining them like they were just like the game just kept going around and you know i was like you know screw that by sunday like noon or two o'clock i tried messing with it i couldn't get it working so i'm like screw this i'm full the head down i'm packing it i'm taking this thing out of the show i'm just gonna load it up in my vehicle So I get the vehicle out in the front. I wheel the machine out there. I take the legs off. I'm trying to load this machine into the back of my vehicle. And Steve Ritchie comes walking around the side of the building. And he walks up to the back of my Grand Cherokee. And he helps me push the getaway into the back of my Grand Cherokee. And he puts on his shades and says, hey, take care. And he walks on. Nice. I was like, I'm thinking to myself, is that like a surreal moment? I'm like, did that really? He just didn't want one of his games. Did that really just happen? He just didn't want one of his games to be broken on the floor. Yeah.
    20:39
    He's like, I got to get this game out of here. I'm going to load this fucking truck. Oh, well, Drew's on. Hey, Drew. What's up, man? Oh, Drew's on. Hey, Drew. What up, buddy? If you guys don't know who Drew's handle is, it's poor man's pinball. Just checking. Drew solidarity buddy cheers we miss you solidarity he's like F that alright so Steve Ritchie yeah Drew and I met Steve Ritchie what did Steve Ritchie I don't have much just Drew and I met Steve Ritchie it was the coolest thing that guy's a character in my life was that MGC yeah dude he was great we quickly introduced ourselves and Drew said you know I'm a big fan of your games did he hear you You never know. When Drew and I are talking to people... You've got to yell at him, though. When Drew and I talk to people, there's a lot of people that just tune out. I don't know. It's just us, I think. Maybe because we were hammered at the time. Don't know. Whatever. Steve Ritchie was very, very pleasant with us. He's like, hey, nice to meet you. Yeah, pipe runner. Finish him. I was like, all right, whatever. Fuck it. Steve Ritchie, amazing. Happy 40th birthday, Kathleen. Happy 40th. Thanks, buddy. Yeah.
    21:48
    40th birthday party for Kathleen. Woo, woo, woo, woo. All right. So should we get into some news? News?
    21:57
    There was news. At least, you know, Twip posted this news. You mean Twip sent this email this morning.
    22:04
    They did. So this week in pinball, let me just Google that real quick because this is what this is going to be all about. So if you guys don't get your news from this week in pinball, please do. So I'm not going to go through everything, but we're going to paraphrase it as best we can just to get you guys excited.
    22:26
    So, Jeremy, did you check out this week in pinball today? I did, man. I did cruise the site. So the first one, the pinball chick, this interview with George Gomez is like my favorite interview of George Gomez. I thought she asked some really, really good questions, and his answers were so impressive. because if you think about George, he's just, when I picture him, I just, he's a normal dude, but then when he talks, you're like, oh, fuck, yep, you're operating on a whole other level than most human beings. But he talked a lot about licensing. He talked about things that he wanted to do in the past. He talked about giant mnemonic. That's always a good story.
    23:11
    He talked about. He hated that game. Yeah, well, he was kind of pigeonholed into the game because in this interview, he talks about how the CEO of Williams came up to him and said, hey, we're doing this big movie. It's with Keanu Reeves. He just had point break.
    23:28
    He's going to be the next big thing. We're going to jump on this giant mnemonic. And I think at the time, he was really interested. Him and Steve Ritchie were kind of vying for Mortal Kombat. So very cool, man. And he talked about some other good stuff. He had a good Satan's Hollow story. He talked about.
    23:49
    What was that play field that he was showing? Yeah, that was called Armed and Dangerous. That was a cool game. Yeah, Armed and Dangerous concept game. Yeah, it was pretty cool. And then he had a.
    24:05
    Oh, he talked about some Lord of the Rings stuff. I mean, the whole thing was an amazing interview. I do want to pull one this is what I'm talking about because he's just so fucking smart I can listen to George Gomez I know and this is if you guys can't listen to these kind of interviews this is a good one because this is an article so you can actually read this one but this one this is what took me I was like dude this fucker is an alien he's like a pinball alien so let's see here because he was talking about his love or his hate or his disdain for wide bodies. I don't know if you guys have known this about George, but he hates wide bodies.
    24:54
    He's a flow. He likes flow. He likes the ball moving. Yes. So he goes, I'm just going to go with it.
    25:05
    I'm really glad that I had to make a narrow body. I didn't know then, but in my opinion, wide bodies are inherently flawed. Okay. Sounds like a normal person. The kinetics are compromised. Oh, wait. Kinetics? The kinetics are compromised. Okay. Don't get all alien on us. Shots outside the standard 2-0.25 width are weak shots, given the available stroke on standard flippers. The stroke of a flipper is approximately 50 degrees. You can rotate the entire flipper to help that, but then you compromise the shots in the center of the play field. One constraint is that the flipper is a lever, and it accelerates through its arc of travel as a function of the force applied by the solenoid. The position of the ball and the flipper combined with its weight and velocity when you engage in this. I can't even read this alien language, man. This is crazy. And he's just fitballing this. He's got a science degree, dude. Yeah, dude. He's amazing. My whole point. My thesis is George Gomez is an alien, and thank God he's making pinball. He could probably be doing amazing things like designing new heartfelts and shit, but he's like, eh, fuck it. I'll just – white bodies are floaty, and I'll tell you why. He goes into detail with that, man.
    26:17
    The reason why the older ones from the 70s and before feel fine is because the nature of those old games was slower, and the ball was what we now call floaty.
    26:26
    I think he kind of just goes on, man, and it's super interesting. So, guys, got to check out that article on Twip. It was a good read. What do you think? Wide bodies? Chat. Anybody in chat? Wide bodies, yes or no? I'm talking pinball.
    26:40
    Pinball, keep it clean, kids. Yeah. So we got somebody, Waz. Waz is heavy. Waz is a tank. Waz is probably heavier than Twilight Zone. Wide bodies are frigging heavy. Thank you.
    26:54
    Let's see here. Twilight Zone's a tank. Yes to wide bodies. Michael Williams likes wide bodies. Yeah. I like wide bodies. I think they try to pack more in wide bodies, honestly. Because you really don't see a wide body doesn't have a lot into it, do you? Mm-hmm. I mean, Demoman was packed. Judge Dredd was packed. Indiana Jones was packed. Star Trek was packed. Twilight Zone was packed. Popeye. Even Popeye. Getting Popeye shot out. Yeah. You know? Popeye. I like the wide bodies, Tony. I am what I am. I love wide bodies, Kaz. Michael Jackson. Michael Williams, Twilight Zone. Yeah, no, everything you just mentioned. Twilight Zone.
    27:35
    Pirates of the Caribbean. You can make any wide body. I would have to disagree with George a little bit just saying, like, you can make some games that flow pretty good that don't shoot like wide bodies. Like, Indiana Jones doesn't shoot like a wide body, dude. No, no. That game is fucking beautiful. It shoots like a dream. So, same thing with Twilight Zone. I think that shoots really, really good. Demoman shoots really, really good. Yeah. Like, those are all really quick shooting games. I think they're great. Twilight Zone could be bricky. It can be bricky. Twilight Zone, yeah, well, they packed everything in that fucking game. There's not one thing they missed. It's like Twilight Zone's one of them games, dude. Like, you've got to be on point. Tony Scoots, Popeye is the next $5,000 pin at the rate they're going. Sure. Wait, Zach's pumping it. Sure.
    28:18
    I know. I need to start talking about how taxi sucks because that keeps going up in price, too. Oh, my God. If I see another pinball porn picture with a taxi in it, I am going to freak, dude. Do you like taxi or no? The taxi just graduated from my long list to my short list. Oh, there you go. Yeah. I'm ready to put up a game for taxi. Yeah, taxi's pretty badass. Pinball Brothers Alien Gameplay, they put up a video of the alien. Did you see that at all?
    28:46
    It's alien. It looks really good. It's a working pinball machine. I don't think we could criticize the dude. I think whatever they're doing, keep doing it. Let's get some of these out in the wild here.
    28:59
    But the video looks really good. Guys, check it out on Twip. There's a Led Zeppelin fix coming. Some Led Zeppelin premiums and limited edition owners have run into an issue with the spinner in the electric magic device. So they're working on that. I think they're getting that fixed there. Take care, Drew. He's out. All right. Bye, Drew. Love you. Ben Hex talks Chicago. Led Zeppelin Premium. Have you played that yet? No. How are you liking it? I know Drew loved it. He was on here. Yeah, me and him, actually. Me and Drew went over to Cleveland Pub. They got a premium on that. You're like Drew at this damn thing. Drew and Jeremy are, I don't know why I talk about this.
    29:40
    All right, so you talk into the mic is how this works. Drew does the same fucking thing. Yeah, we played the Led Zeppelin Premium up at Cleveland Pub, and I definitely liked it for sure. I definitely liked it. I haven't played a pro version. I don't know. Everybody said the pro was kind of crappy, but whatever. Yeah, the pro, they're missing that one ramp on the left, so that flip around the right makes no sense on the pro. But the super spinner on this premium worked. I guess everybody's having issues, and I think that's what the fix was on Twippy, right?
    30:09
    This weekend's symbol? Yes. Yeah, they're talking about that fix. I don't know. Did it tell exactly what was going on?
    30:18
    Yeah, we're working hard to resolve the spinning target EM. unit issues. So it sounds like the spinner, I think they have to really work on that spinner. It's one of those things that needs a little bit of tweaking when you get it right out of the box to get it to shoot right. Oh, really? That's what they're saying, yeah. I know I've heard that before from some people here. Isn't that most Stern games?
    30:41
    I don't think it's as bad as Stranger Things, but, yeah, there's always going to be some tweaking right out of the box. I think all games need it. Well, you know, there's a lot of moving parts. Things get moved in shipping. Sometimes you don't assemble something quite right. It happens. You know, these people make how many of these games a day. And just pump it on them out. Pump it on them out, yep. So it's amazing we get any that are absolutely perfect, and you don't have to adjust them. I will say that my Monster Bash, I didn't have to adjust shit. Oh, you didn't have a new one boxed in? Yeah, I got a CGC Monster Bash SC, which was nice. Oh, man, that was a killer. Yeah, it was the most beautiful machine I ever owned, and I couldn't wait to get rid of it.
    31:17
    Ben Heck, he talks to Chicago Game Company. and Spooky, they kind of go over the release schedule over there at CGC. You know, it's going to be the remake, and then there's going to be, like, a first, like, their licensed original game, CGC's going to be coming out, and then it's going to be Ben Heck's game. And Ben Heck is currently working with Spooky. So Ben Heck, he's kind of all over there. He's been flirting with Spooky a bit more and working for those guys now. So have you ever met Ben? I have. He's very eccentric. Like, if you've met him in person, he's very smart. Yeah. You know, he's very intuitive. He's very logical. He's a very smart person. Smart kind of people. Yeah, but he definitely likes to drink, too. Oh, man. All right. I haven't had a beer with him before. Nice. Well, logic. Who doesn't like a little logic from time to time? Our boys at Flippin' and Mashin', they had Jerry Stellenberg. You know, multi-morphic guy, Jerry himself, on their podcast. So if you guys haven't checked out our dear friends over at Flippin' and Mashin', please do. I hope you love those guys to death.
    32:28
    And they are the official Rebel podcast since they got kicked off of Facebook What else We got some code for flipping a mash in the podcast Oh, yeah, I did hear about that. Yeah, they got booted for sharing some stern shit early, I guess. You were going to get booted, too. No, we're close. In fact, I got a message from none other than Zach Sharp, and he said, Ian and Drew, keep up the good work. So thanks, Zach. Appreciate you, brother.
    33:00
    No one's getting booted here. All right. And there's a lot of good stuff going on in TWEP, so please check them out on thisweekinpinball.com for more news. So news, news, news. So let's just – I think we should do a fun little news thing. We should just go down the industry. We'll do a little Kinead action. Yeah, Kinead action. We'll go right down the fucking middle, and we're going to talk serious talk about some pinball. What do you guys think about that? Pinball. All right. Tony Scoots, where's CGC? I don't fucking know. When are they going to release? Guys, what do you guys think out there in chat? Who's going to release the next game? Stern.
    33:41
    I think that's one of my five questions. All right. So, all right. So, let's do that. All right. So, let's go. I think Stern Godzilla will be October. So, we should start with American Pinball because American Pinball has had the most change since we talked about them last here on the show. So, American Pinball, they have all these new hirees. They are kind of taking Balser to the curb and then adding Dennis Nordman. They got a few more people in place for mech design. How are you feeling about them lately? Well, Dennis Nordman is definitely a good guy, for sure.
    34:19
    He really wants the design, but definitely, I think, you know, all his last adventures, you know, it had to do with mechanics and getting games out, you know. And I don't know how he did Elvira with Stern, you know. I don't know, you know, all the cost cutting and things that, you know, were taking out or whatnot. Sure. You know, I think American Pinball, I think he's really going to see his vision, you know, come to life. You know, I don't know what happened at Deep Root, but. They didn't make games. Yeah. And guess what? Well, there is. Guess what? Today they still have them. They still have them.
    35:02
    Newsflash. We can go into deep root. That was it. Well, yeah. But I think American Pinball, when do you think we would see a game from them? I think they released Hot Wheels, I think it was this time last year.
    35:15
    Right before Texas Pinball Festival was canceled, they announced Hot Wheels. So I think we'd probably be about due any day now. No? So I would say, if I was a betting man, I am guessing we won't see it until fall. Do you think Joe Balser's games were scrapped?
    35:37
    Over at Deep Root? American Pinball. Oh, American Pinball. Sorry, Balser. I think, no, there's still another game that Balser has designed that will be released by American Pinball. I only say that because they didn't say he was gone forever. They just told us he's taking more of an advisory role, which to me, if you read in between the lines, he's probably still involved with one more game and then maybe helping out some of the maybe younger designers with their games. I heard that was fake. What, that he's just out out? Yeah. I heard Joe Balzer made a statement somewhere saying that that's fake because that would harbor him from getting a job somewhere else. He's gone. Ha ha. Okay, flipping out pinball.
    36:25
    What up, Zach? Yeah. All right, so that's it, man. Okay. That's what you think, huh? Yeah, definitely. He's gone. Well, then, yeah, they scrapped everything. They scrapped everything. Fast thought. Well, what next game? When do you think you'll see it? Fall. Fall? Okay. You're going to guess October. Okay. What do you guys think out there in chat? Yeah. What game? What do you think, chat? American pinball. When is American pinball showing us a game?
    36:50
    I love to know. Flipping ball pinball. They already know, but. I don't know if they do. He can't guess. Tony Skutes, next month.
    37:02
    July. Tishku. Right in the middle of summer? Could be. Could be a good shot. Good shot. I don't know. Where's Dave Brennan? Is he on here? Tell Dave, get on here so he can tell us all of the stuff. Yeah, he already knows. Around the next show, October, how would, yeah, that would be my guess too, Mike.
    37:24
    Yeah, I think around October. I think MGC's in November. I could see that right around there. Okay, so they're going to wait a year and a half before their next game. No, November. Well, yeah, that's what they do, though. I mean, they wait a while. Expo is a good time to Tony Scoots. Yeah, they tend to, unless they have some stuff really coming down the hopper, they tend to sell other one game for over a year. I just feel like Oktoberfest has been for sale forever. It's just one of those things. So that's American Pinball. What else we got? We got, we can go CGC. We kind of talked about that. They said the news was they have another remake coming. I think everyone's kind of in agreement it's going to be Cactus Canyon. But it's not. It's going to be Cactus Canyon. What happens if it dates us? It's not.
    38:10
    But I think it totally is. I don't care. I think the remake thing would have been cool if they were going to be remaking games that are very hard to get. I know Cactus Canyon is very hard to get, but I would have liked to have seen a better game, to be honest. I would have liked to have seen, like, Big Bang Bar. I mean, that game looks fucking phenomenal. You know, games that are exciting. I don't know how exciting Cactus Canyon is. What do you think? I don't know, but Homer, it better not be Tales of Arabian Nights because then that would plummet the value of that game. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't want that to happen. Mr. I have a monster bash over here. I got a monster bash, too, and the flow of that game went down the hill, too. Yeah, absolutely. Man, I'm an original licensed person. I want to see you with something original. Really? It'll never happen. It just doesn't happen. No. Well, you'll get taco truck from Deep Root if they ever get into it. I would buy a taco truck if they... I'm a player. I would set that next to the diner. I would buy a taco truck. Oh, that's awesome. Not taco truck, food truck. Who am I talking taco truck? Taco truck would be a good thing. Food truck. Taco truck would be a good thing, too.
    39:32
    It's like if you're going to do food truck, you might as well do the best food there is, and that's tacos. Everybody, you always see a taco truck. I like tacos. I don't know. Anyway, so that's AP, CGC. So we have that, the license. What do you think their licensed game is going to be? Ooh.
    39:51
    Is that the one with Ben Heck? It is not. Ben Heck said his is after the licensed game. Oh, a licensed. So they're actually going after a licensed without Spooky? CGC. That's the rumor. Oh, man.
    40:05
    I don't know. I'm at a loss there. What would you like to see? Kill Bill. Cool. That'd be cool. I love the Spooky. That makes sense. That's right. You have all the different assassins you're trying to kill. Yeah. In order. That sounds like a bunch of modes to me. That's a real nice one. Good soundtrack. Yes, definitely. Good call-outs. Definitely good, you know, a Tarantino film. I mean, just. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. For whatever reason, I feel like Tarantino's into pinball. He's a nerd like that. Oh, yeah. I bet you give up some rights. I bet you give up some. Oh, yeah, I can see it for sure. Yeah. Some video clips of some pretty nasty stuff. Oh, yeah. Like in Dusk Till Dawn. I could get behind some Kill Bill pinball for sure. That's a good one, man. That's a good one. I like that. I never thought of that one.
    41:00
    Another CGC, a licensed game. Man, what would be a license? I think it would have to be something in the now. It would have to be something current. Yeah, they're going to do something safe like that, I bet, for their new first one. I'd love to see something anything 80s. I'd like to see a Top Gun or something. John Wick, Homer EBW says. John Wick would be cool. Kyle, it's been rumored it's a sci-fi theme. Sci-fi. Like a mystery science? Star Wars is sci-fi, but they didn't, I don't know. Science fiction, huh? Krull.
    41:34
    I don't know. Ice Pirates. All right, so anyway, we'll move on. Maybe another five years before the game comes out. Yep, no doubt. So we'll have time to speculate on that later. So let's keep going. CGC, I don't know, man. I feel like they've been kind of missing in action, and I miss them. So I'd like to see some new games coming from them. And it sounds like they've got a good stable of games coming out. So I'm excited. You were at Expo when they released Monster Bash, right? That's why you bought it? No. Okay. I was there when they released it, you know, and I'm like, man, that's a beautiful game, you know. As I was playing it, I was like, man, how fast can I sell mine?
    42:17
    I'm like, that's a beautiful looking game, but they haven't done nothing since then, and that was in October of 2019. Yeah, I didn't even, I think at the time I bought Monster Bash, I never really played the game much. I saw Jack Danger on his stream just, like, destroy that game. He, like, manhandled that game in the worst way. It was like a two-billion-point game, and he had to literally just stop because he just had so many free lives. It was crazy. He'd gotten Monsters of Badge, Monsters of Rotten. Yeah, yeah. Just killed it. And then I was like, dude, this game is crazy. I've got to get it. And then so I bought one, and my wife loved it. We loved it. And then I got sick of it. For 30 days? I got sick of it, yeah. 30 days? For a small collection, it's not a good game. Oh, my God, no. I do appreciate it, though. I do appreciate it. I think it is a beautiful game. Oh, yeah, it's classic. I think that game is extremely approachable for anyone that's relatively inexperienced in pinball and pinball rules. I think it's as simple to explain how to play that game than any game. So it's good. It's a good beginning game for anyone who wants to get into pinball and learn rules and stuff. So, especially with Tishku, it's a good earner. Okay. Yeah. I'm sure it's a good earner on location for sure. Winfrey loves it. It's good. It's catty humor. Yeah. You know. Who doesn't like Frankenstein, the mummy, and the wolf man? It's a flow monster. You know, it's a good game. And I have the original Williams, and it's just a good game. But like you said, yeah, I mean, after 30, I mean, it's chopping wood. after 30 days, you're just done with it.
    44:00
    But, yeah. Not a bad game, but definitely not a game for a small collection. But it's a good, yeah, earner. It's a good route game. It's a good, hey, you see it on location. I still will put a dollar in one, you know, if it's in location. So, you know, don't hate it. Just one of those games. All right.
    44:21
    Pinball Nerds Podcast. Yeah, I played over an hour at Monster Bash to the point I got to wizard mode three times and it started to get boring. Yeah. If you are accurate, and pinball nerds, Orby, you are accurate. I know you are, brother.
    44:36
    That's a game that you will be able to destroy. Now, if you're still working, if you're still younger in the pinball hobby and you're still working on that accuracy, which is something that I will always struggle with, it's a good game to learn how to learn shots because those ramps are beautiful. They're placed perfectly. The outlanes are placed perfectly. You got that nice scoop, and that's a really good shot there. And then you got right in the middle with the spinner. So, I mean, it's got a little bit of everything for you. So it's a fun game, and it's a good game to learn on. Awesome toys. If you're going to cut yourself on a game, like cut your teeth, that's the one, you know. Well, it's the toys. Oh, and there's plenty of toys. You can't get over the fact of toys. The Fiji Sea has that beautiful light show that's out of this world. The big display. And that big display is beautiful. That's what I said. I'm like, I have the original. I bought mine long ago. And like you said, you know, it's just a nice, beautiful game, but it doesn't have that lasting power. But, I mean, the remake, unbelievable. Yeah. All right, so let's go on to Stern. Stern, Stern, Stern. Oh, Stern? Stern. So they got one cornerstone game out this year.
    45:49
    What do you think? Led Zeppelin? What do you think of the other ones? Yeah, Led Zeppelin. You think we're going to see a Harry Potter? This year from Stern?
    46:00
    The Grail pin for everybody? I don't know. The Grail. It'll sell. I don't care. Oh, my God, dude. People would be beating themselves over the head for that. I know. People get so damn excited about Harry Potter and shit. But it's like I'm not a big Harry Potter fan. Really? I couldn't tell you. Yeah. I'm shocked by that. Are you guys shocked that Jeremy O'Hara isn't a big Harry Potter fan? I don't see that. I don't know any of the characters. I don't read any of the books. I don't know how many movies they are. I want to say six movies or eight movies. There's a lot of movies. Am I correct? It's been going on for like 20 years, right?
    46:50
    Like Harry Potter? 20 years, right? My brother was young when the first one came out, and now he is going to be 21 soon, so it's close.
    47:01
    That was the movies. That's not even considering the books. So, yeah, it would have to be over 20 years. But, I mean, Stern, I mean, Jersey Jack would do it better justice than Stern, you know. Yeah, there's a lot of, the only thing you've got to worry about is there's a lot of material to cover for a pinball machine. Yeah. It's too much. Like, if you broke it into three different pens, then that would make sense. But that's a lot of material for a pen. Like, you'd have to pick, like, the first movie, and then maybe if it did well, maybe do, you know, another couple movies into a pen. You know what I'm saying? Like, do sequels after that pen. Like, Get Away, Get Away 2, I speak, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you'd have to do something like that, a series of pens. But what do you think it would be, like, Beatles pricing? I mean, it will be. Past Beatles pricing? It will be, yeah. Past Beatles pricing? They'll be, fuck them, they're going to bleed, and I don't care. Yeah. Kind of pricey. Yeah. They're going to bleed you pinball people dry. The topper alone will be worth more than most pinball machines today. You know, yeah, just when you think it's reached its ceiling, it's just like. Eight movies. There's eight movies. Eight movies. Eight movies in one pin. How many have you seen? I saw all eight. honestly so i i thought well what's this thing all about well i didn't see him like in the theater but i did like after they were all out and stuff i was like fuck it let's check them out so cause high speed three i'm in well steve richie make high speed three original theme yep this can't end up like black knight it will it just can't end up like black knight powder topper say that three times powder topper powder topper powder topper powder topper All right, how did I do?
    48:52
    Yeah, no, I mean, I've seen all eight movies. Just wanted to see what all the hubbub was about. And, yeah, they were very entertaining movies. Don't get me wrong. Would you recommend them? Yeah, they're good movies. There's nothing bad about them. They're all right. I never read any of the books, though, so I couldn't tell you.
    49:09
    I don't think you can rent movies anymore in stores. You can rent them on, yeah, Amazon. You can rent them.
    49:15
    You're so old school, dude. Well, you need the Internet to do that. Ah, yes. True. Internet. I'll write that one down, dude. We'll put the Internet down. Good for the Internet. We'll get to the Internet here, guys.
    49:32
    All right. What else do we want to talk about? You know, they're going to have a few more releases. I don't know. Some rumors, right? Jaws. Two more games this year? James Bond. Oh, my God. No. You know what? Pass on Jaws. Passed on James Bond? Passed on Harry Potter. Wow, that's 0-3 for you, huh? Yeah. Godzilla might be a little interesting. Oh, yeah, Godzilla. Might be a little interesting, but they really got to, you know, they really got to. Godzilla would be like, man, that's an art package screaming for like a Chris Franchi. I don't know why, but I feel Chris Franchi would be the only one that could do that good. I totally 100% agree with you. I can see his art. Yeah. Like, I can actually see his art on it, and he would do it justice. He would. All right. Let's see here. Pit Bull Nerds Podcast. What do we got here? The tools are like five bazillion times better than just saying. The books are. Oh, the books are. Yeah, the books, I'm sure, are better than the movies. They're always better than the movies. Yeah. Even Jurassic Park, their books are definitely better than the movies. You know what movie I watched or read? No, sorry. What book I read based on a movie? You read a book? I read a lot of books. God. Fake news. It was First Blood. Rambo. First Blood. Oh. I read the book. I bet you that was a killer book. Dude, that book was amazing. Yeah, it was way deeper than anything that Sylvester just fucking bastardized the shit out of that book. It was pretty cool, man. Oh, yeah? Yeah, like Rambo was just like a kid out at NAMM. And, yeah, he was just kind of all PTSD'd out.
    51:02
    And this sheriff was a Korean war vet, and he hated the NAMM veterans, and that's why he gave Rambo such a hard time. And then they were just like gunfighting in the middle of the street and shit. It was crazy. It's a crazy book. A Rambo pin?
    51:17
    I'd watch it. I'd play a Rambo pin. Are you kidding me? I might buy a Rambo pin. First Blood. First Blood, though. A real Rambo pin.
    51:26
    Yeah, with guns. Yeah, just really like a jungle-type, you know, setting. Special Forces, right? Yeah. But better. Special Forces is a cool game. That was a Nordman's first.
    51:38
    I don't know how I felt about it. Special Forces. He had all the layered plastics in the jungle, and then there was the rocket, and you had to, like, as soon as you plunged it, like, the forest lit up. They knew you were there. Then you had to keep. But it was a really, really shallow game. That was the whole game. You just go in there and you take the rocket from the helicopter and blow up the village, I think. That's with the creepy cat character in the front, right?
    52:00
    Or is there some kind of creepy character in the Translite? No, I think it's just, like, G.I. Joe Rambo guys on the Translite. Okay. All right, so anyway, I would love to have a modern Predator pen, dude. That would be fucking cool. That would be a good jungle pin, too. Predator. A real one, not the whatever, the scam artist. Yeah, no, not that one. I played the one, the scam artist. Did you play that one? Yeah, that was at MGC two years ago. That was horrible. That's not a good game. Who thought that was a good game? Yeah, who played that thing? I was playing it. I was like, hmm, this or South Park. I'm like, I would play South Park. I'm like, that game is horrible.
    52:48
    Michael Williams, it's called Raven. Dude, Raven's a shit game too, man. That game is so bad. Isn't Raven a female Rambo? Yes, that would be the female Rambo. No, we've got to have the real one. I want the muscular one.
    53:01
    What's that glistening down his arms, dude? We need, he was always baby oiled up. Fly was baby oiled up in 90% of his movies in the 80s and 90s. He had a reflection off his body. He always had that montage where it's like a close-up of his bicep, and he's like tying his shoe and shit. Like, they zoom out of the bicep right on his shoe. Tying his shoe like a freaking green beret. And then, you know, he always found like the most inadequate way to sharpen his knife. He's sharpening it on like fucking a leaf and shit. He's like, ah, his muscles are huge. That's Rambo, man. That's the 80s. It's beautiful. Yeah, oh, yeah. All those toys that came out with that, it was like, oh, yeah, I get the rocket launcher and the machine gun and the knife. Yeah, they don't have that shit now. No, and a horrible film photography. It was just really, really bad. Mm-hmm.
    53:54
    Couldn't understand a word he was saying either. Sly was like, I don't know what the hell's wrong with you. Hey, yo. Oh, it's good. It's good. Anyway, now we're making fun of the poor guy. He got better, dude. He got better. Holy, that guy. All right, so Franchi's supposedly headed to American Pinball. Oh, is that the rumor? Yeah.
    54:17
    All right. Exclusive? All right, poor man's exclusive. Franchi to American Pinball? I thought Franchi was kind of getting his little thing with CGC, but who knows?
    54:30
    It would be a smart move for American Pinball. That would be another good one, honestly. All right. I like his art. What about the bicep handshake in Predator? That's the best bicep. You know what? Kaz, you're right. I mean, if we're going to go strictly on muscle mass, yes, that is the best bicep part in any 80s movie is when Arnold and Carl Weathers do the, and their muscles are huge, you know. That's fine. I would agree with that. Pound for pound, biggest muscle bicep cameo. We were just going for the oiliest one, and that was always Sly. Sly's was oily as shit. Now, Arnold's and Nat, they were in the jungle. They were sweaty. I'll accept that one. But, like, Sly's arms were dripping with oil, like, on the helicopter ride to the jungle. Like, he wasn't even dressed yet. He was still doing his shoes. Yeah. And he was dripping.
    55:26
    His hair was never dry. Rambo's hair was never dry in the history of those movies. They were just like Jerry Curl Juice, man. It was always, he was just so fucking wet. Like, I didn't know how that mud stuck to him when he was, like, stuck in the mud in the second one. And then he stabbed a guy. Anyway, well, moving on. I can dog Rambo all day.
    55:48
    Maybe we'll talk about it on fucking Friday night. Who knows? Oh. News alert, nerds. All right. So, Franchi over there. All right, so that's Stern. I want a James Bond pin, but I only want a James Bond pin if it's like the old Dodd pins or the old, like, 60s artwork with, like, the cool Aston Martin stuff. Connery. Connery call-outs or even. I'm 1% there with you. Yeah, I think that would just be a classy-looking pin. I would like to see a martini glass a la Big Lebowski's, you know, White Russian, you know. I would just love that. I'd love it to kind of encompass that area with beautiful ladies on the back glass. I don't care. But that's me. I'm that guy. All right. So, but other than that, no, nothing really excites me. I think Godzilla would be pretty cool, though. All right. So, did we miss anyone? Do you want to talk about anyone else? We talked about American, CGC, and Stern so far. We already kind of touched on Deep Root. How about our Wisconsin company? Spooky.
    56:51
    There's not a lot going on there. I mean, they're going to be. They've got to be. They're making tons of Rick and Morty still. But they're done in June.
    56:59
    Yeah, but then they also have that deal with CGC to make a game. But that was going to be. That's CGC, though. Yeah, but that was. But they made a deal with CGC to produce their next game, which is, I believe, the Ben Heck game, if I'm not mistaken. But what's going on the Spooky line? I don't know. I think they have. The word was TNA 2.0 might come out. I don't think they have enough orders for that, man. If they're going to build any TNA 2.0s, maybe a Hyundai? Maybe a Hyundai? Right. But that still takes them a while, man. That takes Spooky. Spooky? Yeah, it takes Spooky a while to make games. Maybe a month or two of the TNA, but I think they're going to go for a next title. I think we're going to see another frenzy like we did with Rick and Morty. About time for Spooky to announce another game. I don't know. I still think TNA 2.0 and then maybe another game. I don't know. Now they've learned their lesson from Rick and Morty. Where do they go next? Well, that's just it. They announced Rick and Morty in December, and they started building them in January. Well, I get that. I'm just thinking, like, what kind of theme now are we going to start seeing from them? Are they going to stick with the horror stuff? Or now that Rick and Morty stuff was so popular, do they go again? I think Charlie wants to stick with the horrors. Yeah, I know. Do they want to dip their big toe in more animation? Do they want to do that Futurama that everyone like Drew keeps?
    58:26
    Futurama? Oh, my God. Drew wants it. I don't want it. Drew. Drew, what the hell? Yeah, he's out of here. What the hell? Futurama? Did they cancel the Fox, right? You're talking like this again in the microphone. Oh, I'm sorry.
    58:43
    Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah, they canceled it. Yeah, they canceled Family Guy, too, before, remember? Anyway. But Family Guy's still in the air. Well, yeah, they canceled it and brought it back. people wanted it. The DVD sales were too good. That was 20 years ago. Yeah, I know.
    58:58
    I predict they will announce another game in the next six months. That's true. I would agree with you, Kaz. Yeah, Kaz. I think before June, we're going to see a hint or a teaser. We're going to see something from Spooky so they can start getting themselves in line for sales. I think the Bloodsucker fan club was a good idea so that they had all their people who are in there already first have first shot at their next game. So I think actually you're going to see something on the fan club on their end first before you're going to see anything publicly.
    59:35
    All right. Rachel, I see you. I see you, Rachel. We'll move on. Hey, speaking of Rachel, let's talk about Rachel. Shall we just talk about Rachel for a bit? Rachel? Yeah, let's talk about Rachel. She did her – I want to determine it, yeah. We talked about it last week. She was going to do her tourney with the Lady Flips Wisconsin. and check out this picture. If this isn't the coolest fucking picture, this is over at District 82.
    59:59
    Look at that turnout. Look at that turnout, man. How cool is that? Can we get some applause there? Yeah, cheese slices? Yeah, let's get some applause.
    60:11
    That is badass. We'll do it one more time. That is so cool. So cool. Rachel, you're killing it, man. That is a hell of a showing, and God bless that place. That place is just a mecca to pinball. It is beautiful. I love District 82. Yeah, it's definitely a good time to go there, man. Yeah, awesome. Well, congratulations, Rachel.
    60:38
    How'd you play, man? How'd you play? Last time I saw her, she landed in seventh. Seventh? Yeah, but that was during middle of the day. 29 ladies. It was probably about, like, 1 o'clock in the afternoon. I thought that she was at seventh place. I was watching it. Yeah, very cool. Very cool. Well, congrats, Rachel. We're extremely proud of you. It's over here in the poor man's. And that, of course, deserves cheese slices.
    61:05
    Eat it. Oh, no. Put most of it on. All right, so now we can cancel Rachel off. tied in six Rachel tied in six that ain't bad we did alright Rachel that was without the quarter too or the token the poor man's token alright so Jamie came up with a game we're going to play as a group here it's called Fast Thoughts and what we're going to do is this is going to be a game that is based on chat so basically we're going to name we're going to ask a question and you're going to answer over there in chat as quickly as you can. It's going to be fast thoughts. All right. Zach has done something similar with he used to have his guys lay on the couch and he'd be like, OK, first thing comes to your mind. I'm asking a question and I want you guys to just come up with a real quick response. We have a little bit of a delay on our end, but we'll try to make this quick. All right. So let's do let's get some sound effects to really get this thing going. all right fast thoughts fast thoughts all right you want to go first man so i can pull this up yeah go ahead man uh or i'll do it go ahead go ahead i'm going ahead uh fast thoughts what we're going to do is we're going to ask a question and we want everybody in chat that's on their keyboard at the same time to kind of participate and just like say okay this is what my first thought is so all the thoughts come in at the same time i don't know if it will happen or not but we're gonna we're going to try to make it work. My first thought, are you guys ready for the question? Everybody in chat? Okay, you ready? First fast thought, what is the dirtiest game, brokenest, that you've seen on route?
    63:01
    So what's the grossest game, basically? Dirtiest, brokest game that was unplayable that you've seen on route? I saw Harley Davidson. Fucking roach. Out, dude. It was at a Krusty Bar here in South Milwaukee. Drew and I played the shit out of that game even though it was nasty. There was a film on that thing. It was gross. It had never been cleaned. What do we got? We got Pimple Subconscious. Yeah, that's what it was. Indiana Jones. South Park. Always. South Park is always like that. South Park is always beat.
    63:36
    Canada Marketing Advice. Rename the segment to Hurry Ups. Okay, thank you. South Park. Zingy Tingy. Zingy Dingy. Sorry. Monster Bash. Never been clean since it was out, Williams. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Iron Man was terrible. Tron, it was so sad. Yeah, I've seen an Iron Man pretty beat to shit, too. Oh, yeah. Those things get some play. South Park, always gross. Always gross. You know what else is always gross? I've never seen a really good example of Stern's Playboy. No, it's always dirty. It's always dirty and beat to shit, which fits the theme so good. I don't know if they made that game nasty as shit, but Stern's Playboy. All right, here we go. My first question here. Besides Monster Bash and Lord of the Rings, name Gomez's best design. Ooh.
    64:31
    Besides Monster Bash and Lord of the Rings, huh? Yeah, Gomez's best design. All right, Corvette. We got Corvette. We got a Deadpool. We got Johnny Mnemonic.
    64:43
    Well, Deadpool is recent, but... Deadpool again. Should I say Batman Dark Knight because I own it? Well, that's a good one because that's Batman 66 as well. But I think what he did with Batman 66... NBA Fast Break was good.
    64:58
    It's a fun game to shoot. I guess. God, I can't remember the last one. Corvette, Giant Mnemonic. Fast Break, honestly. Mnemonic. Giant Mnemonic, it's okay. A Giant Mnemonic is actually more of a floor monster than most people think The glove definitely stops it and slows it down But outside of that it actually a pretty good fun shooting game Zach this is why I love you brother Actually, the Beatles. Yeah, he kicked some ass in the Beatles. That is a fun game. Yeah, yeah. Zach, you're not wrong there, buddy. You're not wrong. There's no wrong answer here, but that is definitely not a wrong answer. I was surprised how much more beautiful Beatles was in person. Ah, it's so pretty. It's such a great game. I see all the pictures online, and I automatically dismissed it. So fun. And then Zach brought one up to MGC in 2019. And I'm like, holy cow. I'm like, dude, that's a killer-looking machine. I think he brought a gold up there. Yeah.
    65:51
    All right. So that's a good one. All right. So go ahead. What's your next question there, bud? All right. Next question. Everybody in chat, are you ready?
    66:00
    The first game that got you hooked on pinball. Your first love. First love. What was the first silver ball action that got you hooked on pinball?
    66:13
    First game, whether you own it or not. I'm going to say Creature for me. Oh, yeah? Creature from Black Lagoon. I saw that in MGC back in 2006 or something, one of the early MGCs. You still actively looking for a Creature? I always want a Creature, yep. But you don't want to pay what the price they're doing. Nope. I want to beat this shit once so I can fix it up. There you go, man. But then it would be a keeper. It wouldn't be something that I would flip. No, you would make it yourself. Let's see here. I love the Beatles. All right, Pinbot. F14 Tomcat.
    66:49
    Earthshaker. Oh, my God. Earthshaker is a good title. 8-Ball Deluxe. There you go. That's a good one, too. Demolition Man. Kaz.
    66:57
    Destroying the Ring. Flipping out Pinball. All right, Zach. So, Ellie. So he liked the Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings made him a guy. Yeah, yeah. That's what. Medieval Madness? There's another one.
    67:11
    Poor Zach, you know, that's what he dragged Nicole down. He's like, as soon as he destroyed the ring, Nicole was fucked.
    67:18
    Nicole, your life has changed ever since Zach played that. Let's see, second time around, Star Wars, Data East, Medieval Madness, as a kid, Banzai Run, Flash. As a kid, Banzai Run? Oh, my God. Yeah, second time around, what does that say? I would kill for a bonsai run.
    67:37
    Steven Silver, what does that say? Second time around, D-E-S-W. Daddy Star Wars. Okay, sorry. My eyes are a little bad, guys.
    67:45
    Let's see. Yeah, no, dude, all those are great games. Yeah, everybody who walks up to them last are just like, yes, I'm in love. Every game there that was on that list, I love every one of those games. I love all of them. Oh, yeah, definitely. I could totally see that. All right, here we go. Next one. Most expensive mod you have ever bought for your games. Most expensive mod. And I'm not going to include toppers on this one, Zach, so you can rest easy.
    68:14
    Most expensive mod. Well, I did buy that recently, that guy who did the Twilight Zone backboard mod. Oh, what's that one? What he did was the Twilight Zone's got just a black backboard. Yeah. And what they did was the guy took it out and put an LCD screen in there, and it actually shows live footage that he made. Oh, nice. So it's not just the black one. Nice. Still a $400 bill, but still. Yeah. Yeah, that's a pricey one, but that's cool.
    68:44
    Color DMD. Bullshit. Let's see. Color DMD, Stranger Things, UV kit, under cab lighting for the... Flippin' Out Pinball by Palace of Mods. Yeah.
    69:05
    You're going to have to read some of these for me. Why don't you move the TV closer? The Coin Mech on Alice Cooper. All right. Okay. What's the Coin Mech on Alice Cooper? What's that? Yeah, I'm not sure what that is. What's the coin back on, Al Scooper? What is that one?
    69:21
    Color of D&D for Batman, 500 bucks? I guess that's the bigger display, right? Yeah, it's the Sega display, right?
    69:30
    Chrome, baby, flipping out pinball. That whirlwind, man. It's chromey as chrome can be, baby. He got rid of that. That is a beautiful whirlwind. I know, but it's for the love of the money. You got to do it. I think Zach purposely shot that in all his videos as a background just so he could.
    69:53
    I don't think he would because he'd have to pause that fucker for an hour before he hit the video. I don't think he would. Well, I'm sure he would. He doesn't seem like the type of person that wouldn't. So, all right.
    70:05
    All right, good list. All right, what's your number? What are we at, three, four? I'm at three. Yeah, go for it. Everybody in chat. will Raza be made or not?
    70:18
    Will Raza be made? It'll be made. You think Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland will actually be made? Oh, yeah, it's getting made. You don't think so? You don't think it's going to get released? Come on, there's 75% done.
    70:34
    Says who? I think they got 75% of the parts. Is what they're... They're going to do it. What are you drinking in that glass? Robert, don't sue me. Don't sue me, Robert. I'm just saying what you've reported. So, yeah, they're going to make it. Of course they are. People put money in. We're good. Oh, we got some no's. Rachel flips Wisconsin and says, no way. Flipping out pinball. Sure? Yeah. I get you, man. I get you. Define made. Flipping out pinball.
    71:03
    Assembled and, like, all the customers that paid for them got one, I guess is what we're going to say. Yeah, there's, like, 160 of them. I mean. I got 75% of the parts, guys. We're almost there.
    71:16
    All right, next one. Name a game you love but everyone seems to hate. Zach, yours would be Popeye, brother.
    71:27
    What do you think? Me? It's Rob Zombie. Everybody in chat. Come on, everybody in chat. Rob Zombie. Love it or hate it. Monopoly. Hobbit. Magic Girl was made. Just saying. Okay, I get it. I get what you're saying there, flipping out.
    71:44
    Wonka, Homer EBW. Wonka's a good one, man. Not everybody hates Wonka. Monsters, kind of. Yeah, everyone likes Monsters. Oh, Monsters? No, Monsters, dude, that thing shoots like a fucking dream. Really? I think so. Man. Stranger Things, Tim, I kind of figured you'd put Stranger Things on 24.
    72:05
    Rob Zombie sucks beyond what he's got. Yeah. That a boy. Thank you, man. Most hate monsters. I like that guy. I'm going to give him a thumbs up. I like that. Rachel, I like Rob. Everybody hates Rob Zombie. That game's horrible. I love it. It's beautiful. I like monsters. See, yeah, lots of people like monsters. I would say Road Kings. Not everybody likes Road Kings. I always see it. It's like 296 on the... Dude, it's a fucking great game. Road Kings is horribly horrible. That is an awesome game. An awesome theme. And I want one. I almost bought one at MGC for $800.
    72:43
    It was pretty beat up. But now it looks like a great deal because I probably could have made some money on it. But that's all right. All right, fine. You guys can laugh at my shit. Go ahead. All right, what's your next question? Next question.
    72:55
    What do we got here? I got a few of them. What is a new music tin? That is not rock and roll. Everybody? One that we want? Yep. That isn't rock and roll? What is a music pin that we would like to have that is not rock and roll related? No Led Zeppelin, no Metallica, no ACDC, no Aerosmith. Naughty by nature, baby. Oh, yeah? Hip-hop, hooray? Hooray!
    73:35
    Feel me, Flo? Beastie Boys. Oh, Beastie Boys? Oh, yeah, for sure. Weird Al. Oh, Weird Al? Ooh. Now we're just judging people.
    73:49
    I'm not judging anyone's love for music. Adam Levine, NWA. Kaz for the win. What is Kaz? Oh, Weird Al.
    74:01
    Tim would love that. You down with OPP? Fuck yeah. OPP, Kaz. Of course I am. yeah dude I know you by nature naughty by nature man love them they're one of my faves all right last flow let's see what do I have here now we already kind of talked about this one how about this uh name a pinball machine that has been released but should get remade like it should just get the cgc treatment something that just needs top down being remade like it was a good concept, but it needed to be improved on. Oh, good one. That's a great question, man.
    74:45
    Like, honestly, a Big Bang Bar. Have you ever played that game? Okay, I've played Big Bang Bar. I've played a few of them at different collectors' houses, because that's the only time you see them. Right. And I've seen them, and it was a good concept, and I've seen where they were going with the dot matrix display. Yeah. You know, and everything like that. And I think if they got the CGC treatment with the larger display and added that high resolution and all their updated lighting and all the inserts and everything, like, really make that a solid game. Like, you put the Art Blades in there, they could really take Big Bang Bar to the next level. Because it was a good concept there. I just don't think because it never made it to production, it was ever fully developed. Got it. All right. Snoop Dogg for some of the other stuff. Snoop Dogg? Oh, hell yeah. Gin and Juice? For sure. All right. So here's some games that they should try to redo again. Tron, Lord of the Rings, Tron Legacy, Led Zeppelin. What was wrong with Tron?
    75:52
    Radical. Come on, Zach. I think that's a finished product, Zach. I disagree with you on Radical. That's a great game.
    76:01
    Tron with RGBs of today. Oh, yeah. Wow. J.J.P., Star Wars by Eric. Yeah, I'd love to see that. I'd love to see Star Wars by Eric. Bad Cats, Eric, it's perfect. E.B.W., what are you talking about, man? Bad Cats is a perfect game. You can't improve on Bad Cats. Crawl, it was fun to play, and I would love to chance to own a current version. See, Crawl, it's fun to play, but that whole second under play field thing is such a fave. Oh, my God. You see how huge that thing was? It's two play fields in one. I know. And you're supposed to look through an eight-inch glass. They can fix it, though. I think what Michael Williams is saying, they can fix it. They can make that work. They can do it now differently. There's a reason why they aborted it. Sopranos. That's an interesting one. That's not a bad idea.
    76:49
    I thought they did Sopranos pretty good. Wow, a J.J.P. Star Wars. Yeah, I'd still. Yeah, I like the J.J.P. Star Wars.
    77:00
    Flipping out pinball. Yeah, but I want it new. Zach wants it yesterday. I thought you had a Radical, man. Did you already sell it? You probably did. He did. Did he buy the one at Expo? He did. He bought one at Expo. Yeah, whatever. He wants a new one now.
    77:21
    I love you, Zach, man. You make me laugh. All right. CGC, next remake, Radical, just for you, Zach. Yeah, there you go, Kaz. Back to the Future. Yeah, dude, that's another one. That's a good idea. a Back to the Future remade. I would love that. I'd love to see Star Wars. Make it new. Well, that's what I'm saying. Just they would have to redo pretty much everything. You played Dead Day to East, Back to the Future? Yeah. Yeah, it's not great. It's not great. But the concept sound, I like that theme. They can do it better.
    77:51
    Yeah, so. You know it's not Marty McFly on there, right? Yeah, I know. You think Dead East is going to pay for Marty McFly? No. Not at all. All right, you got another one? Oh, yeah, sure. All right, chat. This is going to be the last one. Last one.
    78:06
    Lightning round. Yep, lightning round. Just one more question. Everybody in chat, are you writing on your keyboards? Who says keyboards? I say keyboards. Is that a hip word? Houston, New Jersey.
    78:17
    What is the most overpriced game out there right now? I'm not talking about Pirates of the Caribbean. Everybody knows that's overpriced. Overpriced.
    78:32
    Yeah, I did see that one guy sell that Pirates of the Caribbean. I still think Beatles is overpriced. It definitely is. I love Beatles so much, but I just can't. For what it is? For what it is, I just can't do it. But I get it. It's the license. You know, it's the license. All right, overpriced. Here we go. Pirates of the Caribbean CE.
    78:51
    Pirates of the Caribbean. Adams is definitely overpriced now for what it is. Guns N' Roses. I own it. I can say that. That's a horribly overpriced game. Adams? They made 20,000 units. It should be the cheapest. It should be the cheapest game. It should be the cheapest. That's how it works. They made 20,000. I thought that's how math worked. All right. Wonka, GNR, Adams, Batman 66, Adams. I mean, come on. There was 20,000. Yep, Tony, you're absolutely right. 20,000 units. Like, right? They should be. What? Adams got me like eight grand now? Seven grand? I know it. Quicksilver, that's another one. Cactus Canyon about to drop. You know it. All right, so very cool. That is our fast thoughts, man. I thought it was a good pinball discussion. We need to get a little bit more into the pinball stuff. So let's hit up the people in chat. So let's do this. But before we do that, let's pay homage to Zach and Flippin' Out Pinball, one of our favorite sponsors. So, Zach. you're doing good man you feeling you having good you having a good time gotta go back okay yeah mics are on alright we're back uh cheese glasses for flipping out flipping out. Zach still love the buttholes. Never remove the buttholes. Remember that, Zach. Never remove it. So what we're going to do is we're going to do a little bit of happy hour. What do you guys want to talk about?
    80:36
    It's time for happy hour here at Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, and that can only mean one thing. Time to go look at the insanity that is the viewers' comments.
    80:52
    Alright, okay. um so let's go right to the comments man uh so dude like always who wrote laser war is that overpriced only only my laser war is overpriced all right so don't even start there tony scoots i did not miss that pal so i can't hear your overlay audio what what overlay audio alright let's try that again it's time for happy hour here at poor man's pinball podcast and that can only mean one thing time to go look at the insanity that is the viewers comments Wow.
    81:47
    There you go. Thank you guys for that audio check. Sometimes these things get a little goofy. All right. So here we go to the happy hour. What do you guys want to talk about? Do you guys want to talk about CGC, or do you want to talk about Rambo's Biceps? We're still going to do a Fuck It Friday, but I thought let's warm up to Fuck It Friday. Let's do a little happy hour action.
    82:06
    What do you guys want to talk about? Yeah, what do you guys want to do, man? It's all up to you. Your show.
    82:11
    I know I posted something in our Try page about, you know, getting more people involved in our show and having multiple shows on our Poor Man's Pinball Network, almost. The TPPN. We're going to rival them.
    82:29
    We're coming for you, Zach. The Poor Man's version of that, which is going to be just hilarious. But, no, what do you guys think? Would you guys like to see more content come out of the Poor Man's umbrella? We have so many characters that we would love to showcase. What do you think?
    82:46
    The Flippin' Out Guy just stole Joel? The Flippin' Out Guy. Let's talk $30,000 Pirates of the Caribbean CE. I didn't see that on the front side.
    83:02
    30 Gs, huh? I'm totally priced off the hobby. I've never bought in the new in-box game. I just can't afford it. And I see $30,000, and I'm like, my Grand Cherokee costs less than that. Whoa.
    83:20
    I have like a 2019 Honda Civic. I don't think I paid $30,000 for that. I think it was like $27,000, $26,000.
    83:29
    Hey, man, it's a rich man's hobby if you got that kind of dough laying around. And that's not me. That's not me either. We're the poor men. Remember those kids? No.
    83:41
    That's a pass. There's a Pirates of the Caribbean alley down the street from me for less than five minutes, and it's a buck a play.
    83:50
    See, that thing was $2 a play when they first brought it out. Yes. When they did, it was. It was two bucks a pull for sure. I hated it because I sucked at it because that left like inner. I still suck at it. Dude, that game's tough. Dude, that game. Yeah. That game is not easy. That's one of those brutal. Nobody talks about it. They talk about how tough Wonka is, but I think Wonka is a little bit. They talk about the price of it. I think Wonka is a better shooter than Pirates, but Pirates is just an amazing looking game. Eric just fucking nailed it. You know, it hit the theme perfectly. All right. So what do you guys think?
    84:26
    Oh, come on, Jeremy. I'll be gentle. Oh, Zach? Yeah. I like that guy. He's cool. I know it. Need some tribe combined streams with drinking involved. I agree. I agree, Dr. John. I think it would be kind of cool to see some streams going. I'd like to see us streaming pinball. Somebody's streaming pinball under our names. I would like to see that.
    84:48
    Is this an absolute failure? You can buy two big Lebowskis or one Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, my God. Yes. Jesus, that's crazy. Think about that. Come on, man. People have too much fucking money in this world. Way too much. Way too much money. Was that Jeffree Star that bought that game? What the hell happened?
    85:11
    More variety, chance to interest more people, good for the hobby. Absolutely. I agree with you.
    85:20
    Love to see more streams under the poor man's name. Yeah. All right. The poor man's network, TPN. We're going to go to the TPPN.
    85:33
    Poor man's pinball pod, the PPPN. T-P-P-P-N? Sounds right. It just comes right off the tongue. It's so easy to say. Perfect. I will not have a problem spelling that at all.
    85:46
    I was like, what's Drew's thing? The poor man's personal pinball news or something? No, poor man's personal pinball. Yeah, whatever. I still can't say it.
    85:55
    Underground pinball. Sorry I'm late. Oh, no worries, underground pinball. Nice to see you. So basically what we're doing is just a happy hour. We're just talking, shooting the shit. We were thinking about expanding our umbrella a bit and getting some of these tribe members involved, just a spot for them to maybe do podcasts on their own or if they wanted to. If they're interested in streaming games, we would help them out with that and just get them so they would use this channel so they could stream, you know, showcase their collections. All sorts of good stuff we're talking about. TP for your bunghole. Hey, that's the name of our award. Don't say that. That's copyright.
    86:37
    Tony Scoots, you owe me 15 cents. New cheer. Tony Scoots, 45 cents. Thanks, Tony. All right. TPTPN, the Porn and Spinball Podcast Network.
    86:50
    PPN, Poor Pinball Network. We're just poor. That's all we're going to be is poor pinball people. Why does Snoop carry an umbrella?
    87:04
    I don't know. And there's no answer to that question. There's a new in-box price for the Caribbean CE on the market with a call for price. Imagine that price on that. Yeah, call for price. If it's new in-box? Probably.
    87:21
    It is, yes. There it is. For the drizzle. Oh. Now, I can see there being a Snoop Dogg pin. What about this red carpet show with Albert? Absolutely. We're going to do a red carpet show with Orbital Albert. We have been trying to forever. Drew's so unavailable during the week. That's the honest to God truth. We're not trying to avoid Albert at all. We love Orbital Albert to death. I won't listen to all of his shows. So when Drew's kind of done this little switch, we figured this is the best time ever to get together with Orby. Because now Drew's nights are freed up. So now we can pick a night and we just go to town. So I think we just got to hammer out some details. But I am definitely excited to be on Orbital Elbert's show, the Pinball Nerds Podcast. Listen to him now. He does amazing shit. His stuff is so off the wall funny. The man is just entertaining from start to finish. You never know what his shows are going to be. You know, you look at the title, it'll be like top five things, you know, about Keith Elwin. You'll be like, oh, okay. You listen to it. But the top five things about Keith Elwin is about 5% of that show. 95% of that show is just random shit he's just talking about, you know, like goats that are fucking eating shit and shitting, and he's getting pissed off at that, and he's got a deal with grizzly bears eating his honey and maple syrup and shit.
    88:45
    The guy is just all over the place. So I love Orby. So, yeah, I would love to do his show. Are you kidding me? I'm a big pinball nerd fan.
    88:55
    All right. Let's see here. What's exactly what I thought? What are you down with, PMP? You know me. All right. So what are we thinking, guys? All right. Let's rate them.
    89:09
    Who are we rating? Don't think we won't. Poor Pinball Nerds podcast has more goats than Zach's show. True. Orby? Yeah. Is he streaming right now?
    89:26
    We can raid Orby. Absolutely. But when we raid, we have to shut down our stream. We want to do a fucking Friday. All right. So let's wrap it up, man. That was a good happy hour. I liked it. So. You made the most of it. We did good, man. Thank you for coming on, man. I really appreciated it. You did great. See, you are one of those guys that's been in the hobby a long time. So you have better insight sometimes, a little deeper insight than Drew and I's dumb asses. So I appreciate you coming on here and sharing some shit. I also want to just thank real quick our sponsors, Flippin' Out Pinball, Zach and Nicole Manny. Oh, yeah, definitely. Help them out, buy some games from them. Zach, if you're still on, brother, I am going to be sending you money for that Deadpool ASAP. Yeah, me and him are playing Deadpool, man. Yeah, I'm getting pumped to get it, man. I also want to thank Jockton over there at Pinshades, Scott over at Penn Stadium Lights, of course, Doc from pinballprices.com, the boys over at Zen Pinball, and, of course, the boys over at Pinswap. All right, but we appreciate you. Jeremy, what did you learn today? What did I learn today?
    90:37
    Jeremy didn't learn anything. He forgot more shit than he learned. We just hurt his brain. This is what I learned today. Ian's basement is smaller than you think. You look on a TV, it looks bigger, but it's not as big as you think it is. What a prick. No, I'm kidding.
    90:58
    I'm a poor man. What can I say? Nice bar. Thank you. I have learned that, oh, we should talk about that. I learned that I can't drink like a 21-year-old, and I will explain this. Here's the story. We'll get into that on the Fuck It Friday, and I got a great picture. Stay tuned for that. Are you going to show them a picture? I have pictures. No. I'm going to show a picture. Oh, my God. Yeah. I think you're going to show that on the internet. Oh, yeah. It's happening. We're doing this. We're going hard. So if you guys want to stay tuned, we're going to do a fucking Friday episode, and I will tell that story. All right? So, but thank you right now is the end of the 4-Minute Spinball Show, episode 92. Drew will be back next week. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I think so. I don't know. Or you might be back next week. We might kick Drew out. I'm 40 minutes away. All right. Sounds great, buddy. Well, thank you again, Jeremy. Thank you to our sponsors. Thank you, everyone, in chat, and we will talk to you later.
    92:48
    I always want to love you. The views expressed on this podcast don't necessarily reflect the views of our sponsors.
    93:20
    Obviously, they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them. So, thanks for listening, guys. Have a great day. Bye-bye.
    93:47
    Thank you. All right. Here we are, flipping out. We're flipping out. All right. Fucking Friday is here. Cheese slices. Fucking Friday. Here we go. Fucking Friday. Today is fucking Friday day. We thought, it's one of Jeremy's favorite segments, where we just sit around and we fucking talk all sorts of random shit. Oh, shit. So, we hung out. Jeremy and I, this is a good story. You guys are going to like this. Oh, my God. This is such a bad story. My wife was so... It was one of those things where your wife... My wife got so... She was happy and she thought it was funny, but it was almost... She had a little piss. A little piss? A little. She was grateful that I came home alive. Yeah. So Ian had one of those moments, guys, where... Is this on? All right.
    95:36
    Tap, tap this thing on. Tap, tap. Can you hear us all right? Nope. Are we out? I think they can hear us. I can hear it. All right, anyway. So here we go, and I will say this.
    95:54
    We drank. All right, thank you, Tisha. We went out drinking on Saturday. I wanted to meet this guy. First, I wanted to make sure if he was cool. Yeah. He was very cool, by the way. First time we met. And we met at this, and it's funny, it's going to be very Wisconsin-y, but we met at a bowling alley because they have about, like, ten pinball machines. or how many, five pinball? Six. Six games.
    96:17
    New games. Yes. I took a picture. It's over on Facebook. Take a look at that. So anyway, I was drinking. So he was drinking beer. He had a little bucket of beer. And I was doing cocktails because beer just makes me – I break this thing often. Beer makes me super, like, congested. So what I ended up doing was drinking myself under the table. I drank all this Jamo ginger ale. I'm almost thinking maybe that ginger ale was bad. I'm pretty sure the ginger ale was bad. It wasn't the Jamo. I drank way too much ginger ale. It's a bowling alley pour. It was a bowling alley pour. I watched some of them. I don't know how many I had. I want to say it could have been, I don't know. I want to say at least eight. But it was enough to get me. And then we did a couple shots of Jamo, too. Right? Who drinks Jamison and ginger ale and then brings shots of Jamison to me while he's drinking Jamison and ginger ale? So much Jamison consumed that night. Who drinks Jamison on top of Jamison? You're a madman, dude. Yeah, it was crazy. I'm a little guy, too. so I took what's that? dude that's crazy yeah I think I drank enough to kill a small goat anyway so I played like shit but it was fun playing all those new games I love I love playing we played a Deadpool We played That right You so interested in that Deadpool Yeah I love the Deadpool I love how Deadpool plays. We played some Wonka. No, we didn't play Wonka. We said we were going to. We never did.
    98:05
    We did play a game of Wonka. I remember that. I clearly didn't do very well. We played Willy Wonka, Deadpool, Walking Dead, and ACD. We played Walking Dead? Yeah, we did.
    98:19
    I remember ACDC and I remember Deadpool. Anyway, it doesn't matter. So what happened was I drank too much. I drank way too much. Good times. You'll never see me that gone. This was Drew at Expo gone. I was done. I was. Yeah. I had a few beers. What was this? You got there, what, about 9 p.m.? 8.40. Okay. 8.40 p.m. and we're drinking you know we're having a good time you know we're we're chopping it up we're talking about this week's episode i got all these good ideas you know and you know one thing led to another and uh i just had too much fun so this is what happened i hop in the car i hop in his car because he's gonna hold on we close hold on first of all we close the bar down Who poses the bowling alley guy?
    99:14
    We did, yeah. They were wrapping up, waiting for us to get out of here. And I forgot to... No, we cleared it out by playing Rick Ashley on the fucking jukebox. You put Rick Ashley up, though.
    99:26
    Yeah, everyone was done. Rick Ashley's my boy. Everyone was done. So we closed the bar. We... I forgot to close my tab. I didn't realize that until noon the next day. They filled my card. And you left your card behind the bar, too? Yeah, I left everything there. And then my will to live, any kind of respect I had for myself. So how are we going to pay for an Uber? Well, it's all tied to my phone. So I didn't leave my wallet there. I just left the card. So anyway, so I was trying to do a Lyft. I could barely see. He was like, cancel that. He got real aggressive. Cancel that Lyft. I'm taking you home. I was fine. Jeremy's a big dude, so I felt safe in his arms. So I went and pissed, and then I came out. He was chatting with some people, and then it was time to go. I hop in his car, and we drive a little bit, and then he's like, all right, Ian, we're going to get on the freeway. If you've got to puke, now's the time to do it. And I remember getting out of his car. I remember falling.
    100:34
    I remember puking while I was laying there, and I remember just being so comfortable. I just remember, like, I wanted to take a nap. I was so comfortable on that cold ground. Okay. My version of the story. He picks me up like a little baby and cradled me into the car.
    100:55
    All right. Is there a different version there? Not a different version. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Williams, yeah, that's it. It was the ginger ale. So, this is what happened was you were definitely intoxicated, and I needed to drive you home. And I was like, okay, get into my vehicle. I'm going to drive you home. We're driving, and he's talking to me. He's like, everything is fine, you know. And we started heading towards the freeway, and he's like, I got to puke, Jeremy. Oh, I did know. He's like, I got to throw up. I'm like, hey, that's cool, you know. it happens. I've had to drive drunk friends home before and they got a puke. So, you know, what I do is I pull over to the side of the road, right? And they get out and they hurl. I'm like, okay, yeah, you go do your thing. But they usually return.
    101:54
    Like, they usually return back to the car. I love to turn so bad from puking all day Sunday. So, I'm sitting there and I'm waiting for him to finish, and after a good 90 seconds, you're like, he's not going to return. I was done. I was going to sleep there. So I put the vehicle in park. It was like a nice snowstorm. I get out the vehicle, and I did a quick look, right, because it's dark. It's extremely dark in the snow in Wisconsin, and we're in the middle, you know, on this road. And I'm like, I can't see him. I have no idea where this guy is. And I look, and I see this guy at the bottom of a ditch in a snow bag. Right?
    102:45
    And I go running up to him. I'm like, Ian, Ian, what the fuck are you doing? You know? Oh, man. So at this point, I'm a little concerned because I did have a few drinks, but I was okay to drive, but I still didn't want the police to come around. That's always the concern. You know? So I'm just like, dude, and I grabbed this guy by his jacket. I'm like, dude, you're getting in the back of my car, dude. Tony, just wait for the photo. Wait for the photo. Anyway. Right? I get him back into the car, all right, and I shut the door behind him. I'd go around the vehicle, get into the driver's seat, and, you know, the interior lights are on in your vehicle, right?
    103:34
    And I get in the interior lights, and I look at this fucking guy, and I'm like, dude, what the fuck you do? Your face is bleeding. I remember. From the head all the way down. I was like. And it's bleeding on his jacket. Am I bleeding? I'm like does Drew even know it? did you even tell this to Drew yet? you sent him a picture of it that's a Drew? yeah you did because Drew texted my wife the next morning you did? yeah you were taking pictures of me while I was dying yeah that's all that's a friend at this point man you gotta laugh and he's like yep this is going to the boat my first time I met you So, news to say, he drove me home, which is 40 minutes away, which was really cool. We stopped at a gas station to clean me up. Hold on, hold on. Do you remember you pounding on my window to pull over on the 894 expressway? No. Did I puke again? All down the side of my Grand Cherokee. Oh, I puked out the window.
    104:53
    Yeah. All the way down to my Grand Cherokee doing about 55, 60. All right. Now that you say that, I do remember that.
    105:03
    I owe you some money for a car wash. Yeah, $6 for a car wash. I went Sunday morning and got it done.
    105:11
    All right. Pay it on my bill. I looked at it. All bets today are going towards Remy's car wash bill. Can we get some bets for the car wash, please?
    105:22
    I'm good for it. Don't worry. Anyway, so, okay. No, I don't remember that. I kind of do. Yeah, I do remember that a bit now. So, that explains why there was so much puke on my sleeve and my jacket. Oh, yeah. Half of it was on my car. At least it wasn't inside. Oh, that's the key. I'm an expert. I'm a pro.
    105:41
    Exterior, okay. Exterior, fine. Interior, yeah. That's the thing for the rookies, okay? You puke in a car, that's a rookie move. And you were going to puke in an Uber?
    105:55
    Well, we would have seen how that would have played. Because you were not going to make it from that Boeing LA-1. Well, it's a long drive. It's more than that. It took forever. And it's not just a straight shot. Yes, Tom Discoots, this was Saturday. A lot of windy roads and shit. It was not pretty. Anyway, regardless, he did take me to the gas station to clean me up. He didn't want to take me home like that. Well, we got off the freeway, and I took him to the nearest 24-hour gas station. is first of all, I'm like, if his wife sees him come home like this, she's going to think I kicked his ass, and she ain't going to ever let me hang out with him again.
    106:32
    He saved your lift account. Probably. So he's taking pictures of me in the bathroom. You guys want to see a picture of me? Oh, my God. Here we go.
    106:49
    That's where memories are made. I see you're holding up my arm there. Like, hey, just stay still. Stay still. Yeah, right? And I'm just like, dude, you got to wipe that off. Your wife is going to be pissed. My nose was all jacked up. I had scrapes up and down by my eye. Side of my head was all messed up. I was so happy. Tish, I was so happy. I had so much fun. Laura actually had these pictures because I sent her the pictures. and she was like, she showed her friends at work, and one of the ladies there at work was like, but he looks so happy.
    107:24
    There you go. I was ready. No, I was not ready to puke or ready to drink anymore, but I was good. I was feeling great. Yeah, a little blood. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I was just like, dude, how did you do that rolling into a dish? Blood and puke, that should be a pinball theme. You know what, Tish? It was a pinball theme that night. That was my theme. And so, yeah, that was pretty much the best is when you come home like that and your 3-year-old son wakes you at 6 a.m. ready to go play. Yeah, my 2-year-old daughter definitely wanted to play with Daddy on Sunday. Daddy tried. I tried. I looked like I got into a fight. So she looked at me odd for a while, but she was just like, I don't care, play with me. So I just played. But, yeah, there was a moment, like, I woke up strong. I felt good. And then that was probably because I was still drunk. And then by about noon, I just knew the worst was yet to come. And, yeah, it was a pretty ugly afternoon on Sunday. But after I got through those unpleasantries, man, I've been feeling good ever since. Yep. Oh, man. After you picked up your car, you're good to go. Yeah, we're good. I called Drew at like 3 o'clock in the morning 4 o'clock in the morning Florida time or something oh my god yeah he texted my wife and was like is Ian okay he sent me a picture of him bloody and it looked like he was in a hospital he thought that bathroom was a hospital and uh my wife's like no he's right next to me he's snoring his ass off stop texting me yeah it's one of my I can't wait to our next adventure. Oh, yeah, dude. This time I'm coming down by your hood. Yeah, that's fine. I can hang out with Drew and I and get all stupid here, too. To South Milwaukee? Oh, yeah, for sure. I asked my mom if she wanted to see a picture of me drinking like a 21-year-old. That's how I phrased it. She said no. She's like, been there, saw that. She's like, I was there when you were 21. That's not a good look.
    109:29
    Dude, you really brought me back, though, dude. I was like, man, I haven't had it. even like that in a long time. It was fun. It was great. I'm like, dude, who closes a bowling alley down, dude? Why can't we do it? I was like, dude, I don't close bars. I don't close bowling alleys down. We're the same age, and we both talked about that before. Like, man, we don't do this shit anymore. We're 39 going on 40, and it's like, yeah, we just don't do it. But we did it last Saturday. It was just like one of them things. We were like, shit, we got to care in the world. Let's just get fucking tore up. I have that way about me, and I just had to go hard. So that's my fucking Friday story. That is a great fucking Friday story. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for saving my life and not letting me sleep in that bitch. That would have been a cold night. I was like, I got off the car. I'm like, where'd he go?
    110:23
    Come here, little baby Ian. I'll just tuck you in. Dude's laying in a ditch. I'm like, come on, dude. Tony's good. So we need a tribe night out. Yeah, well, I get. Oh, my God. I get crazy. Tony Scoots, you're in Illinois, correct?
    110:36
    I think he's in Illinois. Okay. But he got to come up. He ain't too far past the border. There you go. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, dude, it was so much fun, though. It was so much fun.
    110:47
    And now I have some photographs to remind me how awesome my first meeting with Jeremy is. Yeah, yeah, it's excellent. Nice to meet you. And I know Drew had a story about how his car wasn't working, and you were going to help him fix his car, and you were so nice to him. And he's like, dude, Jeremy's the nicest guy. And I was like, yeah, that's cool, man. And then all of a sudden I'm like, hopefully he doesn't have to fix my car. And then you had to do fucking everything else. I fucking hate cars, dude. Yeah. Cars are so horrible.
    111:15
    Yeah, you know, the newer cars, I know we talked about this a little bit. It's just like there's. Oh, Tony Scoots, 12 miles out from Chicago. Shit. All right. He ain't far. No. He's got a killer collection. Maybe we'll just go raid him. Tony Scoots? Yeah, I think he's got a killer collection. Yeah, he does. We saw those pictures. Yeah. Let's go fucking raid him. Yeah, no doubt. But, yeah, that was fun. That was fun. That was definitely fun. And, yeah, I don't condone that kind of stuff, but I think everybody should test their limits every now and then. Yeah. Dude, it was definitely a good time, man. If you're not going hard, you're not making memories. So there we go.
    111:56
    That's something I'll always remember. But did you die? No. We're good. So, what else do you want to talk about, man?
    112:05
    You still play in Deadpool there. Do you remember it? Yeah, I remember Deadpool. Are you still hard for it? Yeah, I'm going to get it. I like the resale value of Deadpool. You know, I'm a cheap guy. The resale value, dude? Yeah. Are you buying a Toyota? No, but you have to think about that stuff when you're a poor bastard. So, if I spend six grand on a game, I don't want to have to lose, you know, $1,500 right out of the box. But with that game, you know, maybe I lose 1,000 and I can take that. That's all good. I don't think you'll lose that much. Yeah, that pool is still going strong on the secondary market. I like the game, number one. That's the most important thing. Number two is a beautiful game. I love just the look of it. Number three, I like the rules. The rules are fun. It's not as monster-bashy, but they're clear. I like that idea. I think my wife and my daughter and everybody are really going to dig that. and yeah it'll be nice next to Oktoberfest I think that's a solid 1-2 lineup right there and then if I ever get a taxi I'll put it right next to the three of them and we'll be good to go oh fucking taxi oh my god it's happening shortlist or maybe at Creature who knows but Creature I had to save up a few grand for that one but taxi I want yeah taxi's fun man dude it was at Expo the last Expo with one of our Elvira was there and oh my god dude I played a shit ton of that game, and I was like, dude, yep, this game is badass. I had an opportunity to buy a taxi twice in my life, and both times where this came out from under me. Yeah. Here, I'll tell you about one story. Okay. Okay? I went to Expo. This was on a pinsider by the name of Trimoto down in Illinois. I think it was down in, like, Troy, Illinois or something like that. And we made an agreement for a taxi for $1,000, blown out play field, right? Yep. for $1,000. Nice. He's like, I'm going to bring it up to Expo, and I'm going to set it up so I get the perks of having that game at the show, and I'm just going to sell it to you once I'm done setting it up. Oh, he gets another offer? He was setting it up, and he sold it to somebody else for more money. Yep, that's it. Sold it off from under me right there. That'll do it. Yep. And that's what happened. And another time, there was another taxi I was interested in, and the guy wanted $1,700, and I passed on it.
    114:30
    I told him that was too much money. You know, a couple years ago, that was probably too much money. It was. I'm like, dude, you're getting towards two grand for a System 11 game? Right. You're never going to get that. Well, there you go. Now it's 2021, and I'm about to pay three grand for one. Yes, you are.
    114:49
    You know, and I'm just like, well, it is what it is, you know. And I'm just like, man, I really want a taxi, dude. It's pivot standard.
    115:01
    Yeah, yeah. So anyway, anyone have a Chex Bubble Hockey? I think that's my next purchase, a Chex Bubble Hockey. I've never had one.
    115:13
    I don't remember playing them much. That's not really my childhood. I never really played a lot of those bubble games. Well, but you've got to have two players. Two people, yeah. Always have to have two. You know, and it's just like what you can do, keep bugging your wife, your three-year-old. That's true. You know, and I'm just like. I mean, it's good for like if you get a bunch of people over at your bar. Oh, yeah, for sure.
    115:39
    No, I get it. But, yeah, no, I don't. Yeah, it just does not appeal to me, but I understand the draw, though, because lots of people love those bubble hockey shoes. Those things are always a hot commodity.
    115:56
    What about ice-cold beer? I love ice-cold beer. Now, if you had one in your basement, would you play it all the time? No. Because it's so crappy and easy and, you know. I don't know. I think I get sick of it so quickly. Yeah, it is. It is like a game that is. It's a novelty thing where, yeah. It's definitely a novelty. Somebody will play it one time at your bar and be like, okay. And then they get it, and then they don't play it ever again. I'm never going to sit there and try to master it, you know. But it's a cool game, but, again, overpriced. Oh, yeah. Way overpriced. I rebuilt an original ICB. Tony Scoot. Nice. Hey. Yes, man. How are those motors and belts? Are they pretty easy to work on, or did you have to mess with any of those things? Because I know the joysticks and all that are pretty simple. I was almost going to build just a little virtual one because you can do that on virtual pinball. They have an ICB, so you just put a little screen on an ICB cab.
    116:52
    Vertical? Yeah, you just mount the screen vertical. Really? The joysticks. Yeah. Oh. Got all the music and stuff in it. It sounds good. I'm just thinking in my head, a vertical ICB? I'm like, I don't know. Tony's Coups, they sell all new motors and belts. Cool, man. I love ICB. I love the sound effects. I love the artwork on it. I get into it.
    117:20
    Blackbird had one. They still do, I think. That's where I used to play it all the time. I used to walk past it. I was like, holy cow. That fucker was broke all the time. Really? Every time I went in there, it was always out of order. I was just like, do you guys want to ever just sell this cheap to me? But now then they get it working again, and then it'll work for a few months, and then it would break again, and I'd be like, you guys want to sell this to me? You know, I keep asking. They don't, there's no, they don't want it. No, not letting it go. Nah, fuckers.
    117:50
    So my wife and I have been watching the Skinwalker Ranch. You ever hear of Skinwalker Ranch? Is it a TV show? It's a TV show on History Channel. Is it cable? It is cable. I don't have that. I understand that.
    118:01
    Cable for rich people. Well, I stream it on Hulu, so it's cheaper, you know, and I stream it. But Skinwalker Ranch is about like a ranch that has all this crazy shit like cows getting mutilated. And there's a history that goes back all the way to like the 1800s and even further back with the Native Americans about mysterious shit called the Skinwalkers coming around and fucking killing people and killing cattle and draining its blood like Kuba Trava. Kuba Chaba? Trava? I can't talk right now. But anyway. Kuba Trava. I don't think that's – whatever. So his YouTube channel has this show, and it's like the worst fucking show. They have like... I know what you're talking about, Zach. Mythical creature. The Chupacabra? Yes. That's it. Chupacabra. Cabra. I said it right. It's a Jamaican, right? No, it's Mexican. But this is like... I know what you're talking about. It's a mythical lizard creature, right? No, it's like a little... Well, they don't know what it is. Regardless, that's not what the Skinwalker is. Skinwalker Rants is like UFO fighting with possible paranormal activity dude I don't know you guys ever watch it it's fun to play it's a fun game to play to have in a collection it's on Pornhub what are you talking about what's on Pornhub I'm a subscriber it's eye candy oh you're talking about ICB um it's real the Chuber Cobber is real Tish or the Skinwalker Ranch. Chupacabra is real. Chupacabra is not real, guys. Just look it up right now. It's not real.
    119:39
    I can't handle this right now. We're going to go into the Chupacabra. All right, let's go into Chupacabra. Do it.
    119:46
    No, Chupacabra is a mythical creature. It is mythical. I saw it on Unsolved Mysteries 20 years ago. Yeah, it's mythical, meaning it's not real.
    119:58
    It's a Spanish, literally means goat sucker, from the Spanish chupar, to suck, and cabras, goats. It's a legendary creature in the folklore of parts of the Americas, and it was first reported sightings, reported in Puerto Rico in 1995. Puerto Rico. The name comes from the animals reported, vampirism. That's a make-up, Puerto Rico. I was wrong. It is said to attack, drink the blood of livestock, including goats. Look at this fucking drawing of a tubercab.
    120:33
    Yes, I told you. It's a lizard person. I told you. Lizard person. You don't think I knew what I was talking about, right? You keep saying it's real. It's not real.
    120:44
    It's real. Chat, real or not? A tubercab is fucking ridiculous. Show them a picture. The physical description of the creature vary, of course, because it's not real. It is purportedly a heavy creature and the size of a small bear. The row of spines reaching from the neck to the base of the tail. Motherfucker, this is not real.
    121:05
    Eyewitness ratings have claimed in Puerto Rico and have since been reported as far north as Maine. They had chupacabras in Maine? No, no, no. It was Mexican. As far south as Chile and even outside the Americas in countries like Russia and the Philippines. Russia, get your own fucking creatures, okay? Quit taking our chupacabras. Many of the reports have been... Don't fuck with Russia. You don't want to mess with the Red Army. ...have been disregarded as uncorroborated or lacking evidence. Sightings in northern Mexico and southern United States have been verified as canids afflicted... Oh, canids. Canines, basically. Afflicted with mange. Okay. Yeah, the Chupacabra, what it does is it goes around farms and it kills creatures. I know. I know what they are, but I don't think they're real. No? No, they're not real. Real is Bigfoot. Yeah, you're right.
    122:08
    Bigfoot is real. Why would I think you'd know that? All right, so Bigfoot's real. He's just really good at it. The Loch Ness? I don't know. I did see him on that special, but I don't know. There was a new scientist that had a new theory on Loch Ness Monster. He honestly believes it's a prehistoric turtle.
    122:29
    A turtle? A turtle. Turtles don't have humps, though. Yeah, but if you think about it, it's got the head that can poke out of the shell, and then the second hump would be the shell itself and maybe a tail, you know. But turtles live fucking hundreds and thousands of years. Oh, yeah. No, it's definitely a prehistoric. Yeah, so if we're going to do any dinosaur in Loch Ness, it could be that turtle. Because it could live forever. But it would be a big-ass turtle. It's huge. Those things are huge, like the size of this table. Yeah, they're big, big fucking turtles. All right. We need a mythical emu.
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    We do. It's legendary. That's real. Thank you, Fishboo. Real's big foot. Let's see. The legend is different than mythical. Yes, or mystical.
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    Are the sightings close to tequila factories? What's the difference between Bigfoot and Yeti?
    123:27
    Chat, what up? The difference between Bigfoot and Yeti. All right, Yeti's more in the snow, in the Himalayas, and Bigfoot is in Canada. Oh, so you're saying Bigfoot's a more tropical creature? No, no, I'm saying he's temperate, or he likes the mountains. Yeti is snowbound. Yeah, Yetis are snowbound. Or more into the mountains. Are they different species? Yetis make expensive coolers.
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    Ian is correct. Homer EVW, thank you, sir. You know what, though? They do make expensive coolers. And I hope that Yetis are getting a cut of those coolers because they're not cheap. My wife has a couple of them. What would Yetis get? A cut. Chicken wings? No, they get some money. Put in their little Yeti pockets with their Yeti hats. Their fur coat. Their fur coats, yeah. They're Yetis. They don't care. All right. Yeah. He's a dominant. The Abominable Snowman? Ooh, good question. The Abominable Snowman. Well, now we're getting into some fake-ass shit.
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    I thought that was an avalanche. I'm joking. The Abominable Snowman is the Yeti. Would he be mean? what's that joke that dad joke that someone posted not so long ago sasquatch has been called bigfoot yeti never complains get it yeti never complains yeti never mind stupid went over my head don't worry about it we have uh the yaoi over here in australia the yaoi what that is it dr john yes dr john yaoi yaoi yeti look it up look it up fucking a dude look it up yaoi sounds cool Y-O W-I I'm learning something the Yowie here we go the Yowie is one of several names for Australian folklore the Yowie is what the Yeti has entitled entity repeated to live in the outback the creature has its roots in aboriginal oral history in parts of Queensland they are known as Quinken. Another mythical creature. And as Jubagina in parts of New South Wales.
    125:51
    They are called... Oh man, there's a lot of crazy names. So let me see here. What are we talking about here? What is this thing? Description.
    126:00
    Oh fuck, that thing's scary. The Yowie's is usually... Look at that thing. It's pretty badass, right?
    126:07
    What are that thing he's talking on? I think those are human legs. It doesn't even look like it. The Yowie is usually described as a hairy, ape-like creature standing upright between 6 foot, 11 inches, and 12 feet. Yeah, it sounds like Bigfoot. The Yowie's feet are described as much larger than a human's. Bigfoot's bigger than 6 foot. It's just 12 foot here, bud. 6 to 12 feet. How big is Bigfoot, Chet?
    126:35
    Chet, he needs the facts. Yeah, fact. Fact checker. There's 10 people. We're losing viewers quickly. All right, well, we'll wrap this up soon, guys. And the descriptions of Yowie's foot and footprints provided by Yowie witnesses are even more varied than those of Bigfoot. The Yowie's nose is described as wide and fat.
    126:54
    Oh, is that a Ryan Seay joke? Others describe the Yowie as somewhat violent or aggressive. Well, no shit if it's a 12-foot ape. It's not going to cuddle you. So you don't fuck with animals. I don't care if it's 12-foot ape or a 4-foot ape. You don't fuck with animals. I want a 6-foot one. I wouldn't fuck with a 6-foot one. If I'm not going to fuck with a 4-foot one, I'll fuck with a 3-foot one. How about that?
    127:21
    Okay. I feel strong about that one. You can dropkick it. I think I got the reach. Maybe I don't have the reach, but I think I could. Can you give me enough of those JMO gingers? I'll fight it. I'll fight a 3-foot yeti. 20 foot yetis prominent yaoi hunters oh shit there are yaoi hunters Rex Gilroy Tim the yaoi man I love that I need to visit Australia in the worst way you go visit Dr. John I would love to that's it we're going to wrap that up yaoi's, yetis abominable snowman bigfoot and Ian's drunk story. I think that's a really good fucking Friday, don't you?
    128:10
    And Drew's what? I don't know what Drew is. What did you say? I didn't say Drew was anything. All right. I said my drunk story was amazing. Oh, your drunk story. Thank you, guys. Finishing at Cecil Hotel is a good show on Netflix. I saw that, Eric. I was hoping it was going to be more about the hotel and not about that Chinese girl that died in the water tank. Spoiler alert. Um, but it was, it was very, it was very well done. It was very well done. I didn't know how gross LA is and I don't want to visit LA now because LA is kind of gross. Were you born in LA though, Eric? EBW? Let me know.
    128:49
    Um, okay. So we're going to, Cobras are real. See? Tish, stop, stop feeding into Jeremy's shit, man. She's absolutely 100% correct. That is, yeah, she's 100%. Yeah, that's Tish. She's, yeah, she's, she's trouble. She's instigating. I know. I know you're instigating. Cuma Cava. I know it. All right. For real now, bye, guys. We love you, and we're going to raid someone, okay? So thanks.
    129:34
    Maybe, girl, you're not settings when I tell you before You got it, boy-oh I wanna have to die, girl, but why? I always want it, bro I wanna have to die, girl, but why? I always want it, bro I wanna have to die, girl, but why? Maybe, girl, you're not settings when I tell you before You got it, boy-oh Oatmeal Canned Jerk
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