All right. Well, Lisa, yeah, what you did just recently on Twitch was very, very special. You had your family, again, the pinballers on Twitch, do a little fundraiser for Cabin Fever. We did. We saw the GoFundMe that morning and it was like instant. We said, we're just going to do our first charity stream. We don't want to see any pinball locations closing because of COVID. So we feel for everybody. But they, you know, they reached out to the community and we thought, what a great thing to give back to Robin, who's such a great owner and a woman in business. So we need to lift those people up and make sure that when this is over, they're still there and we still have a place to play and get together and really appreciate the games together. It was very nice and for something so impromptu you did quite well for our fundraiser. You know the whole community came out and supported our endeavor as well we got some great donations from from other people so we really want to thank them for doing that we had some great prizes and then of course our chat and our pinballers community who showed up and watched and cheered us on and it was a really fun six hours of playing and we had everyone in there in the chat with us the whole time. So that was great. And Robin was there and answering questions about Cabin and talking about how things have affected her in the business. It is tough. We talked to her earlier before I was talking to you on this Skype call, but it is a tough go. But people like yourself, your family, and others really across the world are stepping in for not only Cabin Fever, but whatever their local establishment may be. It's really wonderful. So showing back the appreciation for what those locations have given to us before the pandemic has hit. We'll ensure that they are around when it's over. I don't know how you and Mike and the family got into pinball, but really for all of us, it has to be location pinball. Because you don't just go buy a pinball machine before you play a pinball machine. You have had to seen it somewhere. And it's places like Cabin Fever that has opened up the IFPA and leagues and friendly play and just casual interest in pinball. Yeah, for sure. I mean, we grew up when there were still smaller arcades or bowling alleys that had pinball, but now the evolution of what it's become to have a barcade where you can go, you know, sometimes kids are allowed, but other times they're not, and to be more of an environment that is about socialization and playing pinball at the same time, it's pretty incredible for us to have that. Well, thank you. Thank Mike, Carter, Paige, your entire family. I know Brooke, I think I just saw her little graduation picture there, so I think she's starting to play too, isn't she? She is, now that she's had time to focus on it. She's found some games that she's really enjoying, and she's putting up some good scores. So look out, there could be another pinballer making their way into competitive play. The Castleman family, names to watch out for in the IFPA. But thank you again for all you've done for Cabin Fever. Thanks very much, Jeff. It was really nice chatting with you. Cabin Fever is a place you like to show off when people are visiting Toronto. When actor Jason Sudeikis was filming a movie there, I got him to come by and flip a few games, and he certainly enjoyed it. In fact, he called Dan Harmon, the creator of Rick and Morty, who was just filming a podcast in Toronto at the time. He said, stop by. So what does Dan do? He tells everybody, all right, thanks very much. I'm going to Cabin Fever if you want to join me. And 100 plus people did on a weeknight. A lot of fun. Good memories. But when others visit Toronto, and I know that they love pinball, I have to bring them to Cabin Fever. Not only is cabin fever a staple in Toronto and Canada, but it's international too. Case in point, our next guest, who when he visited Toronto, went there every single night. Apparently that's all there is to do in Toronto. Here he is. Don't adjust your sets. This is how he sounds. Ryan C. from Australia joins us. How are you? G'day, Jeff. You sound nice all the time. I think people get that we're friends. You know, when you did come in 2018, it was kind of a whirlwind North American trip for you. You started off in Vegas, spent a little time in jail there before going to TPF, then to New York City, and then you ended up in Toronto for a few days. And cabin fever was a big part of that. Yeah, you would think after a two-plus-week trip, I would be sick of pinball. But I realized kind of when I went to New York and that feeling was cemented when I went to Toronto that hanging out with pinball people is the best. And you've got a nice, cool place to hang out. And you introduced me to Cabin Fever. And I kind of messed up my schedule a little bit. So we were meant to hang out the entire trip, but you had to fly off after the first night. And, I mean, Toronto is a massive city and it's a huge city and there's all these events. But I ended up and ended my night at Cabin Fever every single night. So yeah, just to go back, I picked you up at the airport dressed in full Australian garb. We then got something to eat and went to a comedy place called Yuck Yucks, got heckled, did some heckling, sat in the front row. It was a lot of fun. Then we went to Cabin Fever. So this is late at night and we were there for quite some time, spent time with Jack Tabbin, Dan Beeson, and of course, Robin. And you really liked that. We went home. We recorded a podcast with Martin from head to head. By the way, it was like four in the morning in Canada. And then the next day, I had to fly to Chicago for the Stern Pro Circuit, sent you back to Toronto. You went to a Raptors game and played a pinball tournament, but still wound up with cabin fever. Yeah, I've never really been a person in Australia, in Melbourne, my home city, to hang out at bars. and people have their local. And I guess I never experienced that. And hanging out in Cabin Fever made me realize what people kind of like have a second home and live at a place because I made friends with Robin and we just sat there and chatted all night. And of course, the other locals, Dan Beeson and Jack Tadman, just cool people to hang out with, drink beer, talk pinball, play pinball. It was amazing. I'm sure you have places like that in Melbourne as well. Cabin Fever is very special here. And everyone who's listening to this podcast, We're obviously focusing on cabin fever, but I do want to remind people, think of your local place and think of the struggles they're going through right now with COVID-19 and how, if you can, help them in any possible way, that would be wonderful, like what Jeremy Wilson has done with the GoFundMe page for cabin fever. But think of your local place, and you'll probably hear people like Ryan, like the other guests we've had on, talk about their passion for their local pub, pinball joint, and Cabin Fever is that special place for sure. Yeah, and you talk about passion, and I remember like it was yesterday, the quality of machines that were in there at the time. You had Walking Dead, Attack from Mars, Metallica, Monster Bash, and Dialed In, and then you had some older ones as well. And I remember I was talking to Dan Beeson, and we were playing Dialed In, and I looked at the scoop, and there's a little bit of wear on the scoop, and I said, hey, Dan, how come you haven't put the Cliffy on there? And he kind of just laughed, and he's just like, I would rather the machine get worn down to not play right. And I kind of put a smile on my face because he's a pinball player himself, and that's how the pinball machines played at Cabin Fever. So the point is the Cliffy unfortunately makes that scoop and the SIM card very difficult when you put that on there. So yeah, you know what? Just play it the way it's made. If he wants to sell it later, throw a cliffy on it after the fact. Are you like that with your machines? Because you're an operator yourself. I think it's a fine balance. If you can do little things that don't affect the gameplay. Luckily, there hasn't really been anything like the dialed in scoop. But my scoop has been like worn in enough when I bought it that it was okay. But I don't think to the level of Dan Beeson, like he didn't care. Like I told him about the resale value and he's just like, ah, no, I'd rather it play well, you know, full stop. So, yeah, I think he's in a league of his own there. That's how good the machines are at Cabin Fever. Now, what about what's going on in Melbourne and some of the places that you operate at? Well, they're all closed. We're in a harsher lockdown than the rest of Australia. I have talked to people and operator friends in other states, and even though things are open again, I think pinball machines, it's purely a numbers game. So the more people you have going past your pinball machines, the more they're going to get played. So if there are capacity restrictions of 50% at a time, then guess what? Your pinball machines, which cost the same amount, are still only going to make 50% of the revenue. So unfortunately, things are going back to normal in the rest of the country, but its revenue is going down. So it's quite a scary time we're living in for pinball operators. Ryan, are you seeing some sort of support mechanism for some of these venues that host pinball machines, some of these arcades? What's going on in Australia as far as making sure once we get out of this, they'll be there? Not as of yet, Jeff. There haven't been any places that have permanently closed down that were owner-operated. Most of the venues that have closed down were just people pulling their machines. But I guess to ensure that doesn't happen, people in Australia and people worldwide need to support pinball locations. Because if we don't want this to be the second death of pinball and if there'd be another uprising, just don't let it get to that point. Ryan, thanks very much for sharing your stories of cabin fever and your memories there when you were in Toronto. We will catch you on Jesse J's Pinball Adventures on the Pinball Network. Thanks, Jeff. As mentioned earlier, we're talking about cabin fever specifically, but it really does apply to any place in your community that hosts pinball. And we're going to go to San Francisco right now and talk to someone who's actually been to cabin fever in Toronto a few years ago when he was visiting. He knows his way around pinball, one of the greatest photographers in all of this hobby. Gene Wong joins us right now. Hey, Gene. How's it going, Jeff? Good to hear from you, buddy. How are things in San Francisco? Joel? They're going well, as you know, everything's a little bit crazy right now. But on the pinball side of things, we just this week, actually, I think like a day or two ago, Free Goal Watch just started opening up at a limited capacity. So that's been pretty exciting because in the city before that, only Outer Orbit, which is a fantastic little pinball restaurant bar, I guess it's a restaurant more, but they've been the only place that's had kind of public pinball to play, putting out one machine every day for the public to play. and you can also rent it out for a private session with your own little pod. But, yeah, location pinball is always my favorite, and it's nice to know some of the things are kind of reopening slowly here. But it's been a long time for a lot of people that haven't played pinball in a long time, and obviously that's not the biggest deal in the world right now, but, you know, we want to support our passion. I'm going to talk about Free Gold Watch in a second, but Outer Orbit, I don't know much about that place, and you said they bring one out. They bring a game outside? Yeah, yeah. So they have a, you know, it's a restaurant primarily, but it's also a pinball bar. And, you know, obviously we can't be indoors much. And so they've been bringing out a machine out on the sidewalk. It's kind of covered, so obviously it doesn't get sun damage and stuff. And they've been doing that for a little while now, and it's been really popular because, you know, as a pinball person, we're a little bit addicted to the game. A lot of people from all over the city and even people have been coming up from, like, Monterey. There a crew from Monterey that comes up every once in a while just to play pinball here because there just not a lot of pinball to play on location right now And they have some pretty good machines They brought out a good one today Yeah today I was just out there with my friend Eric Wagensoner He actually has a credit in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, if anybody knows the secret flipper codes that just showed up today or in the last code update. But he and I were playing, and Andre Massacoff just happened to drop by because, like I said, it's one of the few places you could actually play location pinball, and they had Rick and Morty out. They've had a lot of other different games. They try to rotate during the week. They'll have one machine and then maybe a request game on a Sunday, so they might rotate it a little different. But they're actually having their anniversary party this weekend, so on those days they're actually having Rick and Morty on free play the entire time. So I think that's going to bring out some more people to get some more games on that since it's a pretty new machine. Well, good for them, and this is just another example of how difficult it is to run any kind of pinball facility. You said Free Gold Watch, which is a place that's very special to everybody in San Francisco, the home of City Champ, and the first place I stopped on my Pinball Profile World Tour one year ago. So they've been closed this entire time? Yep. Some people may or may not know they're a print shop. That's actually their kind of primary business that a lot of people might not be quite as familiar with. But some of the merchandise you see even at Pinburger Replay, they've had shirts that they've made for other tournaments and such. But the print shop side has been able to function at some level, But the arcade portion has had to be shut down until literally until this week, until a couple of days ago. So it's been people are pretty stoked about it. And the word gets out pretty quick. So the folks are pretty excited to get back in there. I assume in San Francisco there's a capacity issue. You can only have so many people. Yep. Right now it's, I think, 20 percent maximum capacity. So I think at Free Gold Watch that means I think their maximum capacity is like 100 something. But so you can only have like 20 people in there at a time. And they're making sure, you know, it's the same rules like masks on, social distancing, you know, they've got hand sanitizer, all that kind of stuff. So they're trying to make sure that they're doing it in a safe way. It is a tough haul everywhere around the world. So not just in Toronto, but here's an example in San Francisco, which has produced so many great players like yourself. I think of Leslie and I think of Andreas, who just had a birthday last week. And you mentioned Andre and Eric and Louise, so many good players out of San Francisco. You can only imagine what it's like in other cities, too. And we're talking about Cabin Fever. You were there a few years ago. I saw that you were in Toronto, and I said, hey, I'm coming to get you. We're going to check out this cool place, and I know you fell in love with it. Oh, yeah, that was great. That's like my favorite type of location, pinball. I mean, it's dark in there, not in a bad way, but I don't like playing in an overly bright location. I remember going in there and just being like the moment we walked in, I was like, oh, man, this place is like totally the right vibe. It feels very intimate, but it's not too crowded or anything. And it's got a lot of funkiness to it. It's got a real personality to it. And meeting, you know, Robin runs a place. And I think we met with Dan run some of the machines there. I can't remember. Dan Beeson, the operator. Yeah. And then, you know, Jack Tadman showed up and it was just like a very neighborhood kind of like just like that's kind of like what I want pinball location pinball to be. and that's what I love about going out and playing because I mostly play on location. So obviously I'm not doing that right now, but when you took me there, I was like, oh, man, this is like – it was instantly my favorite place to play in Toronto even though I hadn't really been to a lot of places in Toronto. But, like, I knew from the – just from stepping in there, I'm like, this is my type of vibe. Robin was so welcoming. They had some good beers. And I liked that mix of games. They had, like, a more eclectic mix. It wasn't just the newest machines. They had some older ones. And it's just like when I get back there, I want to go back and play there. But I've only been there that one time, but I totally remember it. And so I'm glad you're kind of, you know, shining a little light on them because they definitely deserve it. And I did see that you helped donate with their GoFundMe campaign. So that was really kind of you, Gene. And so many people have done that, over 150, in fact. And if we can get a few more by listening to Pinball Profile, that's great. But that also being said, help whatever location, pinball, whatever venue is in your town, because they would need the same kind of help that Cabin Fever needs as well. Yeah, I agree. I think that's the thing that all of us can do. I mean, obviously, I think it's great if other people can help support a place like Cabin Fever. I was happy to support them because I had been there. I know what kind of a great place it is. But obviously, you want to support your local spots as well. And so, you know, they might have a GoFundMe. They might not. You might want to just reach out and see what you can do. There's so many great locations throughout the country. And location pinball, I feel like, is something that is really where kind of the magic happens, where you get new people involved, where you can really share the enjoyment of pinball with other people. Not everyone can have a pinball machine, so that is their go-to. That is their hang, and we need these places too because they're a lot of fun to bring this community together. I think I know why you like the Cabin Fever. If I recall, there were a lot of vintage cameras on display there. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm obviously obsessed as a photographer, and they had a lot of old, cool stuff. And they might have had some Polaroid cameras too because I'm pretty obsessed with Polaroid photography. So, you know, we went in there. We were just playing, having some drinks. I don't think I had met Robin until a little later. She might have been just busy, you know, doing other things. But I was like, oh, this is like just the, you know, the decor and everything. Like it's just I think a lot of people that are into things like pinball appreciate maybe older things or the analog nature of things. And that's that's what I definitely like that about Cabin Fever. It was a good time when the bar closed. They locked the doors and you may have stayed a little longer, if I recall. Oh, yeah. I like that. I didn't know if I should mention that because I don't know if everything was technically allowed or not. It was closed. It was fine. Everything's good. No cops are listening to this anyway. Come on. Yeah, yeah. And we had a lawyer there, right? We did, actually, yeah.