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Bash hosts critique Jaws' design and underbaked code, praise surprise Popeye experience at arcade.
JAWS (Premium/LE) model at Super Bari Arcade was running code version 0.87, which was underbaked and caused rule clarity issues
high confidence · Hosts discussing their gameplay experience at Super Bari; one host states 'it was .87 I think was the version that we played'
JAWS (Premium/LE) includes art blades as standard, but Pro and Premium models do not come with side art blades despite costing $9,500+
high confidence · Host notes that Super Bari's Premium model had only black sides and no art blades, stating 'the stickers are like less than $100' and calling it 'lame' that they force buyers to pay extra
Godzilla (by Keith Elwin) has been ranked #1 on Pinside for three years running with 1,672 ratings
high confidence · Host states 'It's been number one since it came out in 2021' and confirms '1,672 ratings for Godzilla'
Jaws currently ranks #23 on Pinside top 100 list with 345 ratings, not #1 as some thought
high confidence · Host checks Pinside live during podcast: 'Oh, there it is, 23. 23. And that's based on 345 ratings'
Stern games like James Bond have been releasing in incomplete states requiring multiple code updates before becoming enjoyable
medium confidence · Host notes: 'the code makes such a huge difference and they you know i'm sure they just have these contracts with the licensees to you know release them at these certain times and it's a shame that they can't finish the games first'
Popeye (1994 Williams/Valley) features a difficult-to-hit right loop shot and an upper playfield with animal-themed notches and flipper mechanics
high confidence · Hosts describe detailed gameplay: right loop shot nearly impossible, upper playfield has 3 chances to hit ball into notched slots
Popeye was designed by Barry Oursler, the designer of Whodunit and Dracula
high confidence · Host confirms: 'It's another Barry Oursler game, like Whodunit and Dracula'
Jaws playfield layout confuses players about the theme—beach vs. ocean perspective is unclear due to poor visual hierarchy
“He's not very menacing compared to the real Jaws. He looks like he should be busting out of the side of a seafood restaurant. Right? Like Captain D's.”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Early in episode — Humorous criticism of Jaws artwork and playfield shark design aesthetics
“The little yellow. I thought it was some weird like contrast of color. Yeah. And I thought we were in the ocean, but then I realized, no, I'm looking at the ocean from like a side. It's very odd. The perspective is weird.”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Mid-episode — Core criticism of Jaws playfield layout confusion and poor thematic integration
“I didn't even realize until the next day. Oh, my God. This is supposed to be a beach.”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Mid-episode — Emphasizes failure of playfield to communicate its theme to the player
“It's almost like they designed it as a game, like the play field, without really considering immersing you into the world of the cabinet, right?”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Late in episode — Direct critique of Jaws design philosophy prioritizing function over experiential immersion
“For a game that not that highly regarded relative to other games of that era I was pleasantly surprised by that game”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Popeye discussion — Expresses surprise at Popeye's quality and enjoyability despite its reputation
“That shot was insane... I hadn't ever seen any super tight shots on Williams games either. And that was the first one where I was just like, holy cow, that's just impossible.”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Popeye gameplay discussion — Highlights Popeye's mechanically challenging right loop shot as distinctively difficult
“With Popeye yeah oh what it oh cool oh my god look we're like in this in the sea on a boat... Whereas with Jaws it was just like graphics you know like my brain just said graphics”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Comparison section — Direct comparison of thematic clarity between the two games
product_concern: Jaws running version 0.87 exhibited underbaked code with unclear rule logic, missing shot callouts, and player confusion about what to shoot at. Hosts noted things 'weren't happening the way you would expect them to.'
high · Host states code version 0.87 felt 'off' with unclear lit shots and confused rule progression during gameplay
product_concern: Jaws playfield layout creates thematic confusion between beach and ocean perspectives, failing to establish clear environmental context despite the licensed theme requiring immersion.
high · Hosts describe not realizing playfield was a beach until next day; describe layout as 'weird,' 'confusing,' and lacking cohesion
product_strategy: Stern strategy of excluding art blades from Pro and Premium models (priced $6,599-$9,699) but including them on $12,999 LE, forcing Premium buyers to purchase aftermarket stickers (~$100 cost).
high · Host explicitly critiques: 'It just seems lame that they make you do that. Because the stickers are like less than $100.'
market_signal: Jaws peaked early on Pinside rankings (possibly #1 at launch with low review count) but has settled to #23 with 345 ratings, while Godzilla maintains #1 with 1,672 ratings, suggesting early release hype followed by community reassessment.
high · Host confirms checking Pinside live: Jaws ranks #23 with 345 ratings vs Godzilla's #1 with 1,672 ratings
design_philosophy: Contrast between Jaws' 'function-over-form' design prioritizing game mechanics over thematic immersion versus Popeye's 'world under glass' approach that integrates theme with play experience for greater player engagement.
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high confidence · Hosts describe not realizing playfield was meant to be a beach until the next day; one states 'I thought it was some weird like contrast of color'
The hosts prefer Popeye's 'world under glass' overhead-view design approach over Jaws' approach, citing better immersion and thematic clarity
high confidence · Extended discussion comparing Popeye's cohesive theming to Jaws' disjointed beach/ocean layout; hosts wish Jaws had used similar approach
Jaws has a mini flipper on the right side that can be used to trap balls and set up combo shots
high confidence · Hosts discuss mini flipper utility: 'you could kind of trap it up there and maybe there's like some better combo shot you can get'
“It's just kind of lame that they make you do that. Because the stickers are like less than $100. So it's like, just put them on the premium for crying out loud.”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Art blades discussion — Critique of Stern's art blade pricing strategy on Premium vs LE models
“you know it kind of has a designed by committee vibe to it. Yeah. You know, and I think that's, it's unfortunate because... We just want to see it looking like the Popeye game or something like that.”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Late episode analysis — Suggests corporate/licensing pressures compromised Jaws' creative vision
“Popeye felt like the most organic game that we played a lot... because it was fun, we just naturally stayed there.”
BASH Pinball Podcast @ Episode conclusion — Demonstrates that organic fun and player engagement naturally drive extended play, contrasting with Jaws' experience
high · Host articulates: 'they designed it as a game... without really considering immersing you into the world of the cabinet' contrasting with Popeye's cohesive environment
business_signal: Stern appears to have licensing/contractual obligations forcing game releases before code completion, evidenced by Jaws v0.87 release and pattern with recent games like James Bond requiring extensive post-launch updates.
medium · Host speculates: 'they just have these contracts with the licensees to you know release them at these certain times and it's a shame that they can't finish the games first'
collector_signal: Jaws LE at $12,999 positioned as premium option with art blades standard, creating FOMO among Premium buyers at $9,699 who lack this standard feature, driving potential upgrade desire.
medium · Host notes art blades only standard on LE, forcing Premium buyers to add aftermarket—likely intentional pricing differentiation
gameplay_signal: Popeye's right loop shot discovered by hosts to be unusually difficult for Williams-era machines, with near-impossible timing and multiple failed attempts, yet this challenge drives sustained engagement and replay.
high · Host: 'that shot was insane' and describes attempting it '7 or 8 times' over several minutes with eventual success
design_innovation: Popeye features unique upper playfield with animal-themed notches, multi-flipper system with 3-chance scoring mechanic, and difficult timing-based shot sequence that hosts found mechanically engaging despite being lesser-regarded game.
high · Hosts describe detailed upper playfield mechanics: 3 chances to hit ball into notched slots with animals, difficult timing, creates replayability
sentiment_shift: Hosts entered Popeye with dismissive expectations ('whatever,' 'I guess I will play Popeye') but left pleasantly surprised, discovering it one of most-played machines during arcade visit due to organic fun and engagement.
high · Host: 'for me, Popeye felt like the most organic game that we played a lot... because it was fun, we just naturally stayed there'
content_signal: Bash Pinball Podcast structured two-part coverage of Super Bari Arcade visit: Part 1 covers Jaws and Popeye, Part 2 will cover Labyrinth and Pulp Fiction. Episodes release Wednesdays.
high · Host states: 'this is a two-part episode' and 'next week, Don and I will have our first impressions of Pulp Fiction and Labyrinth'