Pinball, an innocent game of skill and for some it's an all consuming passion. The flashing lights, the feel of the flipper buttons, the mesmerizing artwork of the world portrayed under glass, all designed to draw you into another dimension. And it's in this Dimension we learn the story of one man and his maddening journey to buy and sell every machine, Todd Tucky. The Pinball Restorers Podcast The man is huge in the hobby, he's a huge force in the hobby because when most of us get a machine, we don't know very much about it unless you are well versed in pinball but just because the title you want typically isn't the one you end up with first, you end up with just getting one. This is the man that when you type in the Google search or you type in YouTube, under videos he's going to be number one or number two. He's either featured your game or he's going to at least mention it and talk an writ Cake Awesome To talk about the other titles that are compatible when he does a lot of his little repair tips This man was a riot to talk to because I mean I just sat back and listened Because this show is not about me this is about Todd and my God... I am so pleased to actually have had a wonderful multiple hour conversation with him We got sidetracked left and right. He said he liked the ramble and I'm like It's totally fine I was soaking every minute of it So without further ado, TNT Amusements very own Todd Tuckey. Raza a at SpGLISH Pinball, Crapman, Franchiariestpercent, Pinball, tilt bob [? or tilt mechanism Like, Jeff Miller Miller, that was one of my favorite ones to do. Kevin Coughlin, who does the Captain Retro was great. Then I got Chuck Casey with the Museum of Pinball coming up. So I do appreciate you coming on to the show, Todd. Sure. I know that you're insanely busy. Any of us who get one of these older games, like whether it's, you know, early Solid State all the way through the 90s, well, the first thing you do is you type in the name of the game into YouTube or Google. The Yes, you're one of the first three But as some people say I can't find anything They all call you up screaming, you know, they haven't been able to find the game and I said I didn't do every game I wish I had but Well thing is remember I was doing stuff before anybody else. So I that is a good claim to fame How did you end up in the hobby? When was the first time you fell in love with arcade and pinball machines? Originally, I actually don't even count the years, I got involved with games in 1973. That's when my uncle asked me to get games for his campground because we started looking around and trying to track down games. I had already been fooling around with games. A friend of mine, my best friend and I bought a little vendor. He wanted to get out of the vending business and sell pinball machine cleaning products. He opened a company called New Look and New Look was selling pinball machine wax, playfield wax, glass cleaner. He actually formulated a whole bunch of different chemical stuff. My friend, my best friend, bartered pictures and the other half of the games that we could sell if we quote unquote fix them up in the local papers that we didn't do much to him we got him going we changed a few lines and a few other things that we had to do. We had to put in a lot of the light bulbs that were burned out. We didn't change them all, just the ones burned out. Because we had also inherited a bunch of parts from him. We basically cleaned out his shop of everything he had. And oddly enough, I didn't have enough room to put it. I ended up putting a bunch of games in Kurt, who's my longest employee here, his father's basement. He let me use it. And I remember seeing Kurt's little face peering through the handlebars of the steps, looking at me as we brought these Curt was only maybe eight years old or nine and I was like ten years older. I was 18, 19 years old and there's Curt, a future lifetime employee here watching his first experience with pinball. The machines basically a lot of the stuff we put in this basin were parts and we, Scott and I did very well selling these machines. I kind of got hooked in the mechanical part but it was still a hobby and we made a few bucks The went the different direction he went into computer programming But he kept a couple games in his house for the longest time Oddly enough the last game was stunt pilot stunt pilot was a midway mechanical game It was just wonderful and Scott had gotten it working And he kept it all those years and moved it to his new house about 30 minutes west of TNT and Scott passed away of colon cancer and and I ended up selling that game just, I want to say about ten or maybe five years ago. I did a video on Stunt Pilot. It's the last machine from our original purchase back in the 70s. Scott kept it all those years in his house. It's a wonderful mechanical game. So it was kind of interesting that it kept that life. That was the only thing remaining from the first package deal of games. I was buying games for my uncle and then I started buying my own in 1979 I made a few purchaseses bought my first arcade games to put in a store locally my uncle's campground was in Tennessee so he wasn't local he was open in the summer so I would drive down spend the summer there I spent I think 15 16 summers in Tennessee but had a good time learned a lot learn how to do a lot of wiring and fixing The if you're in a campground you're doing fixing your fixing old cabins that we fixing the plumbing and that sort of stuff i picked up a lot of mechanical knowledge which i still use today of course i've picked up a lot of repair knowledge on mechanical games because half the stuff my uncle had was were mechanical pinballs which ran very well if you kept playing them if they sat dormant you know in a garage All the mechanisms froze. It was different. Coincidentally, I had a similar experience growing up. My parents went to a fishing resort every weekend and they had an entire row of EM and solid state pinball machines. And I think that it was like an unwritten rule that every campground had to own a Nugent and a Gottlieb Surfchamp. And that's actually the game, that's my favorite EM game. and I had to maintain those because otherwise, if I, because I was like the only kid that I ever went in that back of that little office area and actually played all of them. And so I ended up cleaning contacts and, you know, just it kept alive. And then nine months would go by, you know, fall, winter, spring, we'd go back up there and I'd have to go through tear down the machine again just so I could play it for the summer. What about your educational background? I mean, aside from just getting into the What did you do when you started in the arcade? Well, I took shop. I took electrical shop in high school. But when I went to Temple University, my major was filmmaking. So there was nothing to do with it except I got a job running the two game rooms at Temple and the movie theater. I learned a lot of the business at the game room at Temple University. Actually, this is some information now I'll give you I've never shared before. So here's a plus. At Temple, the vending company was a company called ARA Services, very large company that had mostly food, but they went into the home recreation and not home, but games in locations and such. And they had the contract at Temple to put the arcade and we did a split and back then splits were outrageous for the location they got a lot of money the split at temple was 64% to temple and 36% to the vendor who was ARA really shitty split great for temple but not great for area and they were kind of out of their league because they could put a pinball machine and I remember when they put a and the money back then was counted differently. The cash pan had to have a lid and it had to have a seal. And we, one of the temple person, one of us, one of our, I assigned other people to collect the money, but we had to be there when he emptied it and he dumped each cash pan in a bag and then sealed it with a little, one of these one-use only seals so when he laughed he had thirty six little bag full of coins and what a pain in the ass at book forever because you have to tell me that the meter re mr real pay today but that's how they did it physically candidate and then they checked the meters to see if the money was close there's always going to be a tiny bit of driftand we give you that could a free credit or test or something like that That's how it was done. And ARA did this for maybe two years and they were done. I remember them bringing new games in when Tempest was new. They would wrap it in all the games they were bringing in in plastic after they checked it out and put their stuff on them and got their serial numbers and plates stuck on them. And then they'd bring them to Temple wrapped in plastic and bring them in the game room. And it was just wonderful. I was not buying a few games, but I didn't have that kind of funds, and I didn't have that kind of location. Locations were tough. All the good spots, the 7-Elevens, were tied up. by the big vendors who had big money. Hey listen, I'm gonna put some games in here, we're gonna do a 50-50 split. And you know what I have in my hand here? I've got a $1500 cash gift just for you. All you have to do is sign us in for a year and a half or something like that. And we do 50-50. So the guy had a contract, he paid for the contract, but he paid a lot of money back because of course back then these games were doing Crane 1,200 a week gross, 300 and some 711s a week each machine. And that's something that I think a lot of people would find shocking because depending on the location and it's not me being critical of you know the operators in the least cause they're just doing the best they can. But I've gone to, I mean I can go within 15 minutes to my house and any place that has you know pinball machines for instance in their location Other than pretty much your pinball enthusiasts, I only see people occasionally hitting those. That's right. And that breaks my heart personally. But I kind of remember that from the early days of the arcade. Kevin Coughlin referenced that a lot of people line up for the arcade games and the role of pinball machines is usually vacant and take advantage of that. And I know there are guys in this hobby that shudder at that thought, but it's a realistic view. Yeah, it's those days, I guess you could say were glorious. I was horribly bitten by the vending bug, not the collecting bug. There's two different bugs. Okay, neat, two different bugs. I was fascinated with coin op. And I loved it. And my game rooms did very well. My gross on my main game room was about 3500 a week. We had a remote game room and it was only open five days a week. We I opened it at 8.30 in the morning, we closed it at 8.30 at night, 9 o'clock at night. So it's 12 hours a day, five days a week. We were not open Saturday and Sunday because the building wasn't. Occasionally we'd have a special event, but that didn't happen often. We also had an issue with the local kids coming in. Nice kids, nothing wrong, but they did not want the kids in the building. And they just wanted to play and have fun. I just hated that we had to keep them out. They said no, they can't be in the building. I said well they're not only coming into the building but they're coming into the game room. I said so you've got to police the front doors. But it was always a minor problem. We never really had an issue. I remember when the guy cleaning the floors in the game room moved the Star Wars, the Atari one, and grabbed it by the handles and when he pulled the game with Christophuppoppla, Trevestit ord Har discharge transaction Assignment Klobuchar comparisons 사용American used to think copier swiss or I used to get these guys out whenever there was a sale. For instance, the very first game to get closed out was Red Alert and Lock and Chase. They closed it out for $12.99. So, half price basically and then the Taito Lock and Chase and I told him about it. He was thrilled. He went over and bought one of each for Temple. Of course, 36%. It took him a while to get his money back. In the summer, ARA would I'm not a fan of the game not all of them but a lot and take them to another location where there's summer traffic was there finally here's the here's the best part of the story though the area approached me and I said look since we've had it we're going out of the business how about buying all the games we have and we're done so I said oh okay we've got a bunch of stuff we said we I decided we're just doing food, we're out of the arcade business. So I went over to their warehouse and that was probably my first purchase, my first major purchase. I bought all of the games they had in the warehouse that once they pulled everything back in, including that Tempest I saw them buy new. There must have been 60 machines. I did not have a big truck, but I was offered And I bought an old truck that had a double clutch and I bought it, it was cheap, it was like $1000 bucks for this truck. But it was, I got into the ground floor of the big truck and learned how to drive a double clutch. Which is really the same as a single clutch but you have to press the pedal twice. You press a pedal in, take it out of gear. It's in neutral. You lift your foot up, then you press it in a second time and move it into the gear you want to go in, and then release it. So it's a push-push type of thing. You have to do it quick, if you want to shift quickly, that is. But it was interesting. A lot of people aren't aware of double clutches. You don't run into them. But if you ever jump into an old truck, it's a double clutch, baby. I was in and I had my garage that I was storing stuff in and my brother let me store stuff in his garage and I gave him a little rental money and then I ended up in a friend's house in their garage and put stuff in their house just to store all the stuff. But then it got to be a point where I had to start renting so I started renting public storage spaces and I kept adding more and more and more in the early 80s. The option but at one point I was paying a lot of money in public storage you didn't have 24-hour access back then and They wouldn't give you a single penny off if you Rented a second or third or fourth or fifth play. I couldn't understand I said I said if somebody rents more than one Oh, no, there's zero discount and if they're Unrelenting company that would not accept it So when I finally moved everything into one location, I rented a large place, moved out. Oh, you should have told us that, you know, we would have been accommodating it. And I actually had rented an office and had a showroom at this public storage unit too. So I took all my business, which at the time was probably about $1,900 a month, and moved into a single-rent facility for half the price. Jac sandy HERRVER B 없고ультатst头 Nutrienticht Crisp fyory colleges importingrecpremGo总 communicative Can you just stop talking for like two seconds? Please support the following businesses. Pinball Pimp. Pinball Pimp, your source for museum quality restoration, maintenance as well as Jeff Miller's world famous cabinet stencil kits for Williams Valley as well as other manufacturers all available at pinballpimpstencils.com. Classic Arcade. Classic Arcades, your source for pop-up recap recreations, playfield overlays, insert decals, apron decals, cabinet artwork decals and much more at Classic-Arcades.com. Ladies and gentlemen, now back to the show. Oddly enough, when I did this building here, we had not thought of parties. So the party idea was a result of a customer that came in to buy a game and said, boy, I would sure like to bring my kid over here for his birthday. And I said, oh, I really? And he said, yeah, yeah, what would you charge? So I came up with like $50 for a couple hours of play for the family. I guess it was a family of four or five people. And they loved it. And I'm thinking, wow, The end result of those hundreds of parties we started with You know, we were up to almost 900 parties a week at our high point. Excuse me. And it was really busy. We were booked seven days a week, as many hours as we can. We had waiting lists of people that were hoping somebody would cancel and move in. You know, they could take the slot over, the last minute party. and the other places other than Chuck E. Cheese. That was it. You couldn't have, you know, now you can have a salon party, you can have a party at Home Depot, for goodness sakes. You can have a party anywhere. But back then it wasn't. And I knew I hit it big when in 89 I was filming a friend's birthday party at a steakhouse, You know, good 45 minutes away and as I walked around filming the people, I overheard one woman telling the other, we found this fantastic place where all the games are on and it's dark and mysterious and fun and we were playing all these games and everything was free and then there was another room for food and I said, do you mean TNT? And she said, yes, that's it. I said, that's me. So I knew I was big at that point. I knew that the parties would stick and se my The So when you did when you started TNT and I've watched your YouTube channel and I love watching the infomercials, I mean I remember I'm you know, I'm four years old and I Chronic insomniac my whole life and so late at night. I'd always end up watching infomercials for local businesses believe it or not and Sometimes they were great, you know, depending on what they were selling There was one that did nothing but classic cars, like classic car parts and that, so it was a huge infomercial. It was great. I want to say it was DRI Motors. So I've watched yours and I'm laughing because, you know, as a young spry individual with a formal suit. Well they said I should look nice for my appearance you know It was back then in the I going to say the good old days when there was no choices for TV shows And I won say shows were going off the air but a lot of them had virtually no broadcasting after 12 o The local cable channels were wide open for programming but the cable channels were unmanned after like eleven o'clock at night what you had to do to book the spot you had to have a tape that you could put they could put into their deck Comcast had a deck, it was a super VHS deck you had to give him a tape they had four slots and they could run whatever tape was on so somebody only wanted thirty minutes that would be one slot and somebody else's thirty minutes that's an hour and between twelve and i think six they could run as many as six hours of programming however they only had three and a half hours of programming and then this channel would The there's just nothing else to run they had no water automation or anything though i purchased seven days a week the twelve that's when the rate dropped to nothing twelve to one a m so i was broadcasting twelve to one every day of the week three hundred sixty five days a year for years and i do what i think it was cheap with all the channels it ended up costing about a hundred grand a year uh... too but i got so many phone calls and so many sales because i was or than the parties and the show was was so well received that it got me into the uh... broadcast the hall of fame which was really nice so the infomercial our original and the last one is the 30-minute show which in fact is cut to 28.5, 28.3. It was filmed on a Sony camera and edited in the camera. So if we made an error, we had little buttons on the camera, you could back up and start filming again. So there's some abrupt jumps occasionally, one or two jumps here, a clip of a half of a word. There was nothing we could do about it but that's the way it was. uh... we sat down at with kurt i think it was in the maker which put titles on including animation he can make these little tiles and each super eight vhs tape we struck uh... was done right from the original eight millimeter file with a high band eight millimeter that we filmed it on the cable stations because there were a lot of them We had to make maybe ten super VHSs and they would start to decay after a while. So about every two or three years we'd have to dig out the thing and make more. Now eventually I took the high band eight to a company that would make their own copies. They started asking for U-matics and beta tapes, beta max. and uh... then we had to do closed captioning when we put the hour show out in 2002 the federal requirements said every program had to be closed captioned if it was run on any channel at all so there was a company out in pittsburgh you send the tape to or you send the files to and then they will write a script of what you say I was sort of wondering how they would do The but you would then they would type it in and it would appear on the screen if you Ask the thing to be closed captioned and then they would strike a Betamax. So I was making believe it or not up until 2013 The stations wanted everything on Betamax tape Called beta SP, which is still superior. They didn't want a DVD because they skip They wanted beta So that's what they got. I still have a stack of betas of the different versions of we had because we obviously did some minor updates here and there. But of course I got this program, this editing program in 2004 that I'm still using today. And back then it was state of the art and I never found all the secrets. I think it was 2012 or 13. Frank said, It's too bad you can't do green screen. And I remembered I saw a button on it. I said, wonder what the hell chroma is. And I never hit the button. So when I hit it, this whole new menu dropped down. And my computer lets me pick any background, any green screen I want. I can have blue screen, red screen, orange screen, whatever. So technically, I can make any of those colors disappear if I wanted to. You know, if I wanted to. In the The program lets you do all kinds of really weird stuff that I thought was advanced for today. In 2004, this was the cat's meow. I'm too old to learn a new program and I'm comfortable with this. One of your questions was who does the editing. I do pretty much all the editing. Occasionally, when I was ill or when I was out, Frank put some videos up that he went direct. The camera put titles that put them directly up but uh... for the most part which the ninety nine point nine personal videos i put up now interestingly enough by daughter is editing her own video of me called the day in the life of pot hockey and passion she filmed and other people film typical day here at TNT Amusements uh... what a day all i can tell you is just a uh... maddening day starting at daddy pops and uh... ending with us leaving at you know twelve thirty at night and uh... you know fourteen fifteen sixteen hour day is typical and uh... it's pretty good she's not finished it but she won't even let me put the titles on she says i'm doing everything daddy i'm bt lac sneaky int hearts and fat akkor yet wobbly in water while i don't know if you think i'd put the copyright up because there really didn't want people seven zombi video out on Italian and united posting stuff segemi I'm not going to give them credit, and if I know they're doing it, it's okay, but I don't want to be used in other people's productions unless I know about it. And I've given a lot of people permission. As a matter of fact, there's a lot of videos, if you research my name or TNT Amusements, you'll find a lot of home videos, people made their own episodes and such. and uh... yes. And the promotion Empire keeps going. Yeah, yes it does. It um... it keeps going on. As a matter of fact I'm editing episode 1651 right now. And we have that many episodes up. A huge amount of material that you can research. I had wanted to make a master guide where they could go to a page on the I'm a website and they could say they're interested in videos on pinball and they'd find it to be alphabetical it front pinball and then it would say adding LEDs to this and then there'd be a link but the link would be a direct link to that moment in the video which YouTube allows you to do The just a little disclaimer I'll not work on the field ties into our next part of the conversation old stock holes didn't even give me my money back for it yeah that's useful so we'll go to a we have a I'll okay well we'll have to hold off on thisÜ I could also make a Williams Multicade control panel. I don't think he would have a problem, especially since nobody on earth makes them anymore. Thank you, baby. See, work must continue. Otherwise, the bank will close us down. Funny that you brought up Jeff McCaffey because I just talked to him actually the other day. The Jeff Jeff has kept me in business Jeff has kept us in business He's made stuff that no one else on planet Earth would make and he's helped He's making stuff that you can't get anywhere else because they don't have the machinery or they're not interested in making to So it's difficult because and it can be costly The first one was a hundred bucks, that's what he charged me. And they're up on his website now where you can buy one on hard plastic for fifty bucks. He's the only place in the world that makes them. I didn't mind the cost because I'm keeping the game. And of course it will be available for sale the very day I pass away. The wife will get rid of it. pinballyrack Playingdoing8 A The one that provided him all the scans for the two William Shuffle Alley's, League Champ and Strikemaster. I have an old scanner to do it. We had to lay the thing on its side and put this old scanner that had a lid on it and open the lid and lay it down on top so he could scan it and then it took him a few tries to get it to fit right. But now he He has the files to all the Williams stuff. He's licensed. But do you know what? Williams does not have any files for those two shovel alleys. So all the... Some of that stuff... It's just not there. Nobody has them. Nobody. Even the people that are licensed don't have it. So because of me, those two machines can now have side art, full side art purchased for it. So we're going to help a lot of people. Now, my artist Steve can repaint a lot of the colors. We would prefer to repaint the cabinet, seal it, rather than put new side art on it. But you can't do that in every case. But I just scanned some pin glass, plastic plexiglass pin glass that Jeff is making and now Jeff's making StrikeMaster The Backlist Mylar is just stuff you can't get nobody has it and Funny thing is is he tells me he says you're the only one of theirs for us And I said yeah, because we're restoring this stuff the other guys are just letting it go or just say it's not available They're not bothering, but if you take the time you can do it. You know, it's just once again. It depends on on the need Does somebody really want this and are they willing to pay for it? B seriouswaldupid participatory not hard and the other two are for smaller companies that have licensure and create products. And when there are people, they have games, you physically, the parts don't exist. Recreation, artwork doesn't exist, there are plastic sets, there are figurines that don't exist. And so what it takes, it kind of takes the village to raise the child. It takes one person actually scanning the original and correcting the artwork A Bei 이런 게임게 하나 그 pierws� I can be if i get my configured Advisor Related Fun Francisco And I need a Content I have a I nice Then I main stretch I fight the for allows for numerous past-pandemic order-of-the-ép Jason R. Jason does a lot of our playfields. Scott, little Chris, because there's a big Chris. And the work on the cabinets. We have a bunch of volunteers that come in and help. It's really nice. You know, when we, it's just, there's constant activity with different games. Now we are, we actually have stopped taking more overhauls until we get caught up. We're very far behind so I'm not taking any more machines in for service right now. Good news everyone! Who's your daddy? Big Daddy Enterprises, your source for pinball electronic repair products featuring boards from Flip, XPin,Alltech and more. 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Just because I've made a joke before that two guys who've probably played every machine is you and Roger Sharpe. Because Roger Sharpe actually said that he's played every game from 1963. I want to say 1963 on. What, in your opinion, is the rarest pinball machine that has come into your building? Okay, well, um, that, the rarest pinball, well, rare would mean a low production run of, a low production run. Somebody came to TNT, came into TNT and in the, in his truck he had a going coconuts, but he would not let me film it because he did not Provide for sports plan,итemsungays, tôitala, time and time périceksynade, d disputce, or dabok, limited to all dinners od putages ^^ Johnny Pneumistani from what I heard, I've not seen it or played it. They just tell me it's not finished. The programming isn't finished. I said, why would you want a game with a programming that's not finished and be willing to pay $25,000 for it? And he said two words to me. And that's when I went, ah, he said bragging rights. So he just thought, you know, that was the cat's meow. Now, you know what? There's nothing wrong with I like pinballs for the beauty now they only made a hundred starlights, William Starlights. It's a beautiful game especially if you do all the LED upgrades. It's gorgeous. There's only a hundred of them. There's only a hundred vector. It's the upright pinball machine in the upright video game cabinet. Only a hundred exist. I had two or three of them. It's neat. I wouldn't want to own one. The game is a very rare game, but it's neat and it's rare. I had spirit, I had two spirits back when nobody wanted the damn thing. And I thought it was a beautiful game, but it wasn't that great. It had the greatest back glass of all time. That spinning disc was so incredibly cool, but I wouldn't want it. Big Bang Boar is very rare but they made 175 regular editions so there's still a lot of them out there. You've contributed to the Internet Pinball Database and you'll laugh at me for this. Black Sheep Squadron, that game manufactured by Astro, you're right, I did a lot of research actually on this. In fact, I actually was calling around to the local businesses that were around their original manufacturing facility The I just take a pity dead ends with that. So you have on Internet pinball database. You contributed all of what is known Yes about Astro and your little video about that In fact, it was featured there was a YouTube video that does it's called the art of pinball and literally it's just piano music It shows all of these different back glasses, playfields and Black Sheep Squadron was in there and I was chuckling while I was trying to dig this up. Because it intrigued me, the fact that a company would sell directly to people to make them an operator. And all I've learned from this game was because of the fact that you featured it. And you're right, it was to make money while you sleep, the ads were in the back of comic books. The first machine I bought, the guy had the ad. This is back when nobody gave a shit, so I didn't save stuff. I saved a bunch of things over the years. A price list when we used to sell them. I used to send prices. I used to have like 400 pinball machines in stock. There was a ton of stuff, but back then, Black Sheep Squadron was $399. Tirt meanticos de color white pinballflix.com at pinball parch.com at pitn�paint of indian xxxxxxxxj yek in gi Sofia can't 통' Garden victory of month heat I can't tell you how many people chucked them when they finally broke. They threw them out, they put them out on the curb or something. Some of our own customers, they didn't even call us to give us a shot. You know, do you want this back? And they didn't even give us a shot to buy it back. And we've had many people call us and say, come on over and get it. We're going to throw it out. Just take it out. And, you know, in many cases I offered to people, I said, you know what, I'll give you, that's gonna be a free party or something and a lot of them are thrilled. It's an interesting thing when you think about it. Over the years, you hear and see so much and you wish you got more details but you didn't. And in the case of what you just mentioned a second ago where you said information and details on the International Pinball Database. If you go on the International Pinball Database and you see anything that says weight with legs, that's me. I a game up we packet with the legs and we take away to the machine before we get the weight of the pallet See when we ship this stuff I had to buy this stupid scale but I had to buy it because we had to give them accurate weights or they come back and change the price Did you know sometimes you can send a game at this weight and when they re it and it lighter they will bill you because it lighter Not heavier, lighter. Oh, it puts it in a different class, they say. Different class. The machine this week scale and we wait them and with the legs rackett and then actually where we write that we printed so we have a copy of printed record of the week and then we leave the power and then we had another ten pounds for packing material in cardboard and we haven't had a single charge back to us but then i email the week The International or internet pinball database and he puts them in but he won't give a credit He says I can't credit you for it, but I'll make a general statement at some point that you're providing us the weight So if you see the weight where it says it's so many pounds 248 pounds with legs That's me. A Lot of times the weight if it's on the flyer Defaultoting Supportだから 컨설폴 hardened Franchi, we actually sent two games to China and the guy loves it because he says when I'm done with these games and want two more, he says I'll be able to double my money because people are afraid to ship overseas. I think you featured, you brought up a channel that somebody was posting every, I want to say it was a Brazilian maker, a game ever made and that's fascinating just because they're all new machines that none of us have seen. It's so cool that you do ship worldwide. I mean, this is a worldwide interest. And a lot of people don't realize that in Europe, pinball was huge because of World War II. We shipped the games overseas to keep troops entertained when they would get away from the front lines. When the war ended, we all came back, we left that stuff there. And the locals fell in love with it and, you know, created a market for the machines there. education Standard So it's just it's such a fascinating world to see the distribution and see the hobby grow and it's growing now again to even overseas There's companies like home pin that is you know, they're Taiwan you have haggis that just did the fathom rate re-release down in Australia Which I'm I have mixed feelings on just because the fact that well, and you know this we could all order You can have a cabinet made, you can order the playfield and you can go on Pinball Life or Marco's, you could probably make the game for about two-thirds of the price they're asking. Now, true, it would be an original, like a recreation of the original, so you're dealing with older technology, but for some of us, that can inspire that. Just given the fact that you have all the parts, have you ever sat down and made your own game? No. First of all, I would never have the time to do it right. I will tell you I do have a pinball machine called TNT. And I knew I bought it many years ago. And I recently found it. And it was up on the rack. It's an old wood rail. I've got it 1935. I actually have the legs and everything. And it's in good shape. So, I think I need to set this up. And of course being mechanical, I'm pretty sure that battery in it. Sometimes the older machines have a battery that runs a light bulb. Like a single bulb if you get in the center the light comes on or something. It says here there's a bell inside and it has a nickel coin in it. Well I got it. We found it. We found the legs. So, that's going to be my pinball. That's it. But that'll be good enough I think. I talked to Todd at Big Daddy and I jokingly said, tell me you have one. And he said, you're not going to believe this. He doesn't. He did. He had it briefly. He dropped it off to the guy to have it restored. You know, just made playable again. It was, he said it was just beat the heck. Well, the guy said, no, this isn't any good. You know, I'll be, I'll just give you what you paid for it. And he's like, all right, whatever, you know, The game was totally functional. He's like, I got, I got ripped off. So I always laugh that up. Love it. I love it. He doesn't have the machine. So I love it. If there's anybody out there who has one, Todd might be interested in that. Not Todd Tuggy, but Todd over at Big Daddy. And so, that's a little funny story. And that's why I love doing these shows. Those are the stories I end up hearing. I think that's probably right. Any game, you know, well I won't say any, but a lot of these games have stories. And for Kurt and I, when Kurt and I got together, we were discussing games. and we actually just came up on a live one of my best offer sales that we're running weekly now critical sales now because we do have we always have about eight or eight or nine hundred things up on eBay but the best offer sales are a really good way to connect to people and people know you're here and we've actually sold games as a result of the sales people find out about us we were discussing we found a 10-yard fight board which is made by Tato and it kind of unleashed this flood of memories when we were vending it and it made money and it was the first game Tato made dedicated where they took the bridge rectifier off the power supply board that always burned up got rid of hot as a firecracker put heavy cable on it and actually attached the bridge to the back of the cash pan it was the weirdest setup but it was factory so the heat would dissipate and not Yeah, it all got caught up in this scene." The I get the same Different questions now. I don't know if you got a chance to catch it my daughter Terry also came up with another idea I guess about back in January She was trying to think of a way to generate some views and she made a video called I want your help She only wanted four words in the title and a picture of me looking very solemn The That was it and then we scheduled the video for like two or three days It was a premiere two or three days and we had a boat ass load of people watch it Because they all thought we were going to go under we were closing. There was all kinds of speculation but I watched it Drew some question where I have my usual haters I Everybody who's in this industry has people that ate there I think it's mainly jealousy but it doesn't matter to me. But the video generated, actually I'm going to go and look, well over 13,000 views got 392 hours of watch time, hours. It earned $43.62 total but it got me 78 new subscribers. and the best part is that we got over 300,000 subscribers after watching this episode and we peaked at 324 viewers during the premiere, the highest premiere we've ever had. So, and what we asked for was in fact, what do you want to see, you know, or questions you wanted me to answer is what I meant to say. and we got almost seven hundred responses so sunday the day after our sale we did our first we did part one of our q and a we had no idea how long it would go on but we simply went to the bottom of the comment list and started with the first comment we got a quarter of the way through the comments in four hours and we had we had a one of our largest views so far the the video is up toniasive la ComesMci, That's a whole other story. Another one. I wanted to let you know how much I truly enjoyed watching this video. While I enjoy the annex of the shows whenever anybody is there, I really enjoyed this one. I felt like you and I were just having coffee together. Please do more of these one-on-one videos. And so we're planning one for next Sunday. I'm trying to work out the logistics because my daughter has to be here and run it. It's just the two of us on a Sunday. So it's a and the and that it looks so it looks good so far terms of us getting it together but um... and that's an animal something that people like did you get a chance to see it yes i did i got a had to catch it after because uh... put them in the working over the weekend but uh... i did and i that is I mean, every time that you have featured a game, and trust me, everything I own personally, you've done an episode on. And yeah, yeah, yeah, coincidentally. And that's when I started to realize, well, when I first started collecting, that was when that's how I started finding, that's why I put two and two together that anytime I typed in a game, you had a video on it. The game is a game that is not just a feature, but you give as much information as you can about it and you do this so off the cuff like it's just it's recalled memorization and one of the games that I have that you know it's not popular it's Stern Wildfire the fact that you give the history on that new you do give the information that when this was made these games were only designed the last four years Rock Bohan GBee DJfeito vedere Cart 우와 varsa d'Segan покуп and age and beef valyria Grunberg Susa ta Getto and the history of the company at the time that connects somebody to what they have. And if it's a game they played when they were a kid, it really strengthens the bond and the fondness of that memory. And it's just like classic cars. And those guys are nuts. Well, pinball guys are even crazier. Yeah, I would say the passionate rather than crazy. I'm going to say passionate. The people get passionate about what they collect. So we have pinball collectors like you and then we have people that don't collect. They just want to watch or be a part of something but they don't participate. Now we have twelve hundred people that have registered for our best offer sale. Twelve hundred. But actual viewing • We have about a hundred and fifty physically watching the telecast after that how many physically purchase is the next step and you know there's not that many people that actually buy it, buy something or bid so last show. Let me see, we had twenty twenty, twenty one people that one, thanks out of the thirty two things I sold there were twenty one buyers. This was custom made for me. It does not tell me how many were bidding. You know, I think she could probably figure that out, but we only had 21 people actually make a purchase and that's 1,200 subscribers 150 viewers, so it's 150 separate views people at one time. I think that was the high point. The next thing about the YouTube thing is it tells you the highs and lows Which is very nice So our high point here it is. We only had a hundred and thirty nine people at the high point of my best offer sale now most auctions Game auctions like on Facebook Facebook is just horrific The delays are unbelievable sometimes 30 second lags and just horrific The But they're lucky to get a hundred hundred and ten viewers So there's a huge amount of drop and that's if people want to put up with a constant throw-offs and The you know, they can't get their bid registered in time and we're not perfect either but at least with us There's a there's an on-screen countdown and the countdown automatically resets. You don't have to rely on some at St. Paul's, USA. In the meantime, that's the last of our time for this week's episode of the Winner of the Year. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you next week. Have a great day. Have a great day. I'll see you next week. Bye. Bye, bye, bye. I'm going to make up for the delay. I'm going to make up for the delay. I'm going to make up for the delay. I'm going to make up for the delay. The question is, are we saturated now? Are people tired of buying parts? I don't know. My money stays the same. So each auction we run generates about the same amount of money. And for 32 items, other people are selling 50, 60 by the end of the night. They're down to 30 viewers. a At crib Street, uh... we give it one maybe two times fell i put up on ebay hand in the first every case we actually got a lot more but then there's all the fees silly disagree by but um... that's what i stood at start doing because i got tired of you know i don't want to put something up in my auction for the those in rate ten dollars that's taking up one of thirty two slots The Not worth it, but sometimes you get stuck sometimes it reaches the minimum and They out the door it goes You know it'll also this last show I think a couple of the items I sold were way below what I should have gotten and I think that the headache that made me Associated with that is I've noticed that when people have to do something or buy something When there's an extra step to register It's I don't know maybe it's the short attention span The That's why if it goes to eBay You know they just click a bite now it they're already registered if they're even looking at eBay They've already done this you know they've already linked the bank account They've linked PayPal that you know in various other means and I think maybe that's it like they feel like they have to Do this maybe it's the fact that one more step, and I hope not but I have a good video. I mean There's nothing like going on a Facebook auction and suddenly just typing in B30 and then you're on the map. For me, it takes 10 seconds to log on. And after you log on, the picture's right there on the screen, right on your window and your bidding window and everything. You don't have to type the B either. You just have to be able to type in the price. So, it's simple and once somebody's ready,gom Somebody was calling a fax line. And sometimes we get these... Well, sometimes it has a different ringing tone. And sometimes it's a real person, but a lot of times it's a... Your car warranty is about to expire! So... Oh... God, you could do that. You could do that. I could? Your car warranty. What's interesting when I call people to confirm that they're real, a lot of people, you're calling me? This is really Todd. They're fascinated that I'm doing my own calls. I said, well, my daughter was doing a lot of the calls when we were so far behind and we called and sometimes people type in the wrong phone number. We have we've encountereded a few fakes which are easy to spot because our program now shows us the IP address. So if somebody registers we have an IP address now and we are fakers are all coming from the same IP address. So I know right away I said well I know who this is this is we can't we don't know who it is we only know the region there they're trying to register from but we can instantly Financially block them, but you know you could open up a new ebay account in 2 seconds or a new Gmail account or whatever, but the Gmail would seem to be the... I'm just waiting Go ahead I'm just waiting for the day I'm just waiting for the day that you're going to be doing your live auction and doing the countdown and all of a sudden be like alright, scam likely, scam likely It's just like the phone message We see the beauty of it, this perfect Dean Wentzel who started the best offer sales, that was his brainchild by the way and and i i departed with his blessing but he's the one that started it and the reason reason he does it on facebook is because he said he only approves people to his group that have been on facebook for years number one number two that he can track them and if he finds that there's complaints or problems with the person they're banned So they can't bid on his auctions. So that person on Facebook that could have screwed Dean's best buddy, nothing to do with Arcade Exchange, but they screw somebody, then Dean gets a hold of his name and then bans him. So they're done. They can't bid. They can't log on. They can't join. So you have to be a member of ArcadeExchange to bid. And Dean says he has to be across the board. He's just not interested. The Funny thing is we had three or four people that were good customers of ours that somehow got banned on Arcade Exchange and we couldn't get them reinstated and I was losing these sales. And then Jillian, who is a collector up in New Hampshire, she came up and said, I can write you a program. Franchi, Jillion's the smartest woman I ever met. And she came up, made this whole program and she's been ironing out, she's got almost every bug out of it now. But this wonderful program just for me that lets us put the auctions up and run them and we can confirm people. We have a block button. Once we ironed out a lot of the little tiny bugs, we occasionally The She she works the code and figures this out and stuff it runs very smoothly and There's consequently the standard eight-second lag which every YouTube channel has it's like that broadcasting lag Originally I was told it's also you could edit out the cursing if somebody starts to curse you can Before it goes on the air you can believe it. So well, we don't have that option. We had no way to cut the sound Taking innovations, where and the company comes up so therefore when i talk everything is current the bidding is current everything is correct so it because of the everybody else seeing it with the delay so there's not a uh... a big issue and it's consistent so therefore it's fair people if they really want an item they're going to get a pretty fair time and if they're a millisecond late yes they're going to lose the bit and the and the and at the end of the day people always have to respect again this is an auction yes you a business as much as people in the hobby are eccentric because you know you are also a collector but you again it's a business and so when it comes to bidding on these parts You might be clearing out stuff that you're not necessarily ever going to use. You might be clearing out stuff that you may, like a game might come in. It doesn't mean that it's in right now. And a business model is, is if you have inventory sitting, that's costing you money because it's not making you money. And so, yeah, no, I don't fault any of the auctions. I don't think any of the pricing has been bad at all, particularly for a lot of the boards because pinball is odd where there are companies that made all new boards, you know, Alltech, there's, what is that, Rotten Dog apparently had just got out of it, don't quote me on that, but there is X-Pin, there's all these, and Pinball PCB. When it comes to a lot of the arcade games, depending on what they decided to do and what their run was, parts are extinct. So, that's why when I caught this and I always pay attention to the board sales because, you know, if you, depending on the game I have, if I'm just, you know, just getting it back to being a player's cab and, you know, it's just about working, those are fair prices. eBay, a lot of their listings will say untested and that's good. You also say, you also divulge that this one has not been tested, this one's missing these chips. You give full disclosure. There are a lot of people that just say use board. Untested. I love the untested. Untested. And I said really? You sort of wonder really but sometimes I love on eBay though I have seen this numerous times. Somebody has a set up, a TV screen in the back, they have the board, it's laid out, they're selling a JAMA board and there's the picture, it's playing, it works, there's the price. And then another one of their couture Bus различ Equthon What's this one? How much of a headache do you want? I mean, this was something that a client asked me to do. And he wanted to keep it as original as possible. And this thing that was hideous. They have me go through and repair a set of boards that were 200 bucks brand new. He might be the only one. Yeah, he's the only one. Or not even new, but he wanted the serial numbers to match, and I guess sometimes that's an important thing. The serial number matching was a surprise to me at some point because this isn't a classic car. Yeah. You know, the classic car, I don't care how original it is, it doesn't have the original tires it came with or the original oil. So that is not original baby. They have remade tires on it the brakes Possibly you found brakes from 40 years ago to put your classic car Do you really want 40 year old brakes on your car? I don't know but you know original original I had a story. This is fun to share is a bally. We sold a bally I had ten brand new bally circus voltaire's and I sold most of them for like thirty six thirty seven hundred each this is when it was a year old or so the game was a dog was a bomb nobody wanted it was a dog ugly sound ugly everything ugly colors just an ugly machine nobody wanted it but we sold them anyway I got one back in trade The I did by the way, they just have like 20 people that just just flipped out on you by the way, they're listening Oh my god, it's such a good You know, I had to say that I am a fan of John Papadiuk's design don't get me wrong, but But I'd first theater of Magic. Yes, that's full hair. Of course anybody with a brain would the music on Voltaire is ugly The game is ugly. But it doesn't matter, does it? It had some firsts. But regardless of that, we got the game back in trade. Now back then when we sold a brand new game, and this was true for every new game we sold, we left the battery holder and the batteries. And every single person we sold a game to, we said, don't forget, every three years you have to change the batteries. And they all nod their heads, oh, okay, oh, okay. The I can't tell you how many hundreds and hundreds of people Forgot about the batteries and then they leaked. Oh, I thought you told me you should have told me what batteries I said We did tell you no you don't know though. So it has batteries The same stupid questions in 99 when we're selling any game Starting in 99 and we mean hit everyone in 99 We would take the holder out and we'd solder in two plugs two little I was about to become 534516958736 spect parcels on 382societymf shworyvaha��qwoutr effects👍9dne겠iqgq00depeng4 yxpt Undsائen�� oent executeим25764368484494547 Prehe prestiente Emperor The one we get these games back we take the pins out and put the battery board and it uses a regular little round lithium solid 2032 and get everywhere but anyway Back to the batteries when we sold the circus full tears. We left the original battery holders it Sure enough. We got a game back, you know, 10 15 years later, whatever and The batteries are leaked and dripped right down into the switch chip on the board The game was still working. So we took the board out, cleaned up the board. We took the chip out, okay? And because it was all coated with acid, we had put a socket in and then we plugged a new chip in. So this way when people blow the switch lines out, they can change the switch themselves. They don't even have to have a serviceman come out. I've been doing that for years and put our battery holder in it. The Actually, it was before the battery holder. We put our pins in with a lithium battery. Well, the guy came to pick it up and he had a stroke. Actually, he was just screaming Why I disturbed the original architecture of the game. How about that for a great word? You've destroyed the architecture of the game. I said it was a leaky battery. He went into the trash can. This is the one that Big Chris spit his chewing tobacco in and found the battery holder with the filthy, dirty, corroded batteries and then he had to have the chip too. The original chip we took out with all the acid on it. And I have, these have to stay with the game. This makes it original. This makes it original. And that was probably my first experience with a The True certifiably nutcase person that would think they have any value and I'm thinking just like I said with the classic card of that same ass Want the original oil that came out of the crankcase of the car when they did their first oil change Where the hell are the tires? Where are the tires that you put the 50,000 miles on I want them to you know that see that's what you're dealing with just total nuts Now, now, after I got torn apart for putting my little pins in to plug in the battery to save the game's life 15 or 20 years later when people forget about the battery holders and people are screaming I'm ruining the architecture, now people are loading the game up with a million different toys that were never supposed to be on the game. Addinging this and that and strips of this and screwing this on the playfield and that on the The game never would have had to jazz it up. The same jerks. You know, just straight. You're not putting LEDs in my game. I want the original light bulbs. So everything goes around, doesn't it? The Well, it's it that was the stuff that There there there was an argument there was arguments in a couple of the restorers forums where guys are like well at what point is it? A recreation and I'm like that's fair. There's a point, you know, Jeff Miller does really good work with his restorations He gets a new cabinet. He gets a new you know with the client wants it But it's not original Clear coating is not the original. There's a whole see you have to kind of loosen up what you want and what where you do draw the line should you put a hard top on the machine well you know I've decided at my age I'm not going to let the nutcases you know you know tell me stuff I just don't feel like hearing and I just say you know what call someone else and when they do and they discover their $2,000 more than me or You know, they get the game back. It looks great on the top, but underneath they skipped a million things. They didn't bother. And like this one, one guy bought an eight ball deluxe with a brand new playfield on it with light bulbs. He paid $12,000 for it. The cabinet was good. It wasn't completely restored. The cabinet looked nice. This was not a 12, but boy, it looked beautiful. New plastic set, new posts, but underneath the guy didn't touch the flippers. These end of stroke switches were breaking, screws were loose because the wood had worn out, they didn't fill the holes. The light sockets were broken or missing. It was horrific underneath it. None of the circuit boards were updated. The original leaky battery was still in it. Old capacitors, just complete shocking the quote restoration of this game was a joke because he just did the surface and you know people like that, 12,000 I mean if he paid 3,000 or 4 it would have been different but for 12,000 bucks and way overpriced and the real funny thing is I ended up selling it for 6 after I did all this work to it, okay? The That's too much money for that and I'm gonna I'm just thinking well somebody paid 12 for it But not anything done to it So where did people get these price levels? What what it's too high or too low? Everybody's looking that as somebody I don't know who started that the famous price police You know people that just say this is not the right place And it's like well, you know It's not the right price for you, but get out of my face. And that was something I touched on in a previous episode with Captain Retro and I've explained this because this has come up where you have to take into account when you restore these games and you're a restorer. There are so many trades involved. Are you a cabinet maker to fix the cabinet? Why though is this? Also though, why this half term? and a lot of people, maybe it's because when they do it themselves, they get wrapped up into just the bill of materials and they take their labor out of the equation. And, you know, at the end of the day, it's not like you have a bunch of minimum wage teenagers putting these games back together. The factories didn't have minimum Wage Teenagers putting these things together. You know? And so, yes, you're right. The pricing, certain pricing is insane. I mean, an 8-ball deluxe for $12,000? They paid $12,000? Crazy. Nuts. And it's like, why would you overpay? Because based on what some guys said, oh, well, it's worth that. It's worth that. I'm thinking, where did somebody get off on the price? How did they come up with a price like that? And I'm thinking $12,000. And it's like insane. I got it for $3,000 and I had to put hours into it and money. I think, you know, we had to do all the stuff that was not ever done. You know, nothing was reflowed, nothing. And capacitors and, you know, just the board cleanup. The logic board the transformer we had to put when we do the power transfer former board You know we put all new fuse clips and we put new bridge rectifiers And I mean you do all this stuff because then it'll carry it into For another 20 or 30 years maybe who knows out of my lifetime probably So but you know but keep in mind everybody's at all if it has the TNT sticker I said, just because it has a TNT sticker on it, you don't know how it was originally sold. We have stickers on Amazon hunts we sold 20, 25 years ago or something, and we were selling them for $799. That meant we didn't put 5 or 600 into it. We changed the rubbers, we got the bulbs that were out working, we probably didn't rebuild the flippers. We had to make money on them and there's a basic price you paid for it initially. So when you were selling it for one price you weren't crazy putting in 25 hours repainting the cabinet and rebuilding the electronics and the play, we weren't doing that. Nobody was, nobody was doing that. Yeah, if you were a collector and you loved Amazon hunt and you went to your regular job and you earned your living and then you came home you had dinner then you You went downstairs on your project and you worked from 7 to 10 on your Amazon hunt, 7 days a week for 3 months and you put 50 hours into it and the game looks magnificent when you're done even though back then the game was still only worth $800 or $900. You were working for $1 or $2 an hour but you had fun doing it. But as a business operation, that's insane. You can't do that. N Out Pinball present n outpinball n outpinball and that's where the price is for certain games, rarity, popularity dictated, and then at the end of the day, you're right, you can't always hold out for selling it as the museum piece. It is, we got it in, this is what we paid, we're making it, we're just giving it a tune-up, make it electronically bulletproof and it's out the door. That's respectable, but people who expect that What events are you planning to do this year? What events are you planning to do this year? I mean, I've seen videos where you've done pin expo and stuff like that where you're signing autographs. What our plans are now that the COVID stuff is coming up, we are planning on doing a seminar. We're going to do the same one. We're going to do one at the Pintastic in Sturbridge, Massachusetts in that fun, funky hotel. I highly recommend. You will absolutely have a ball. They're redoing the hotel. sue to me tilt폰 so thrilled they were going to go back тер again uu Raza Inaudibleas at Spśniej Pinballünkü The only thing I'm going to want someone are at the same time. So, you know, somebody can go and see me at the one place and then not go to the second show because they've already seen me. Some people will watch the seminar twice, but we generally get 50 to 100 people that attend the seminar, but it will be filmed. So it will be available for other people to see. But going in person is always the best. I highly recommend if� fluid and helium Niagara and also gives you access to special meet and greets and food. And you're only paying pennies more. You'd be really stupid not to buy it. And there's only so many they can sell because of capacity limits and things. So that's what I suggest people to do after they hear this, to see which show they want to do, one or both, and immediately purchase the full access pass because they will sell out two or three months or more before the event. Two or three months before the event. So you definitely would want to make the purchase as soon as you can. That's probably the only ones I'm going to do. We'll continue producing the videos. We do the edited videos. We're now doing live videos as a lot of people know. The live videos are available to see at any time if you go into our channel. We have a live section. We unlist live videos if they're timely related. I removed all the previews of best offer sales. Even though we cover other material, I make them unlisted. They're still there, but I can float them up. But I just don't want people to watch them and then say, oh, when's this sale? And then the sale's gone. The Chats are popular too by the way everybody should know that People should go go to the events that we have that come out they attend they can go back and read the chat Hold on one second right yep, and then that Road Kings in the back has to go out As Kurt finishes it. I hope he finishes it okay. I'm back The address label for that Road Kings is 1830... RoadKings! Kids go bonkers for RoadKings. Everybody loves that thing. You know, the kids go nuts for this. That originated. I was actually trying to remember, and I'm pretty sure it was Phil Sternberg at Eastern Music, a wonderful man, and he was very good to me, but I remember when he was trying to sell something, and it was really hard to sell something. I mean, here's the game, you kind of know how much it makes from the cash pan, but when there's no information about it or a lot, very little, the only thing you can really say is, look, the kids go nuts for this game. Even though the kids went nuts for everything almost for a week or two and then they stopped going nuts for it. But originally, kids were really excited about the new game, but if they didn't like it, two weeks later you realize they didn't go nuts anymore, they weren't interested, they moved on to another game. So everything was big when it first came out, including the game I mentioned earlier, Lock and Chase. It was a fun game, but after about two weeks in the location, it dropped off to nothing. Nobody played it. It wasn't a keeper where you came back and played it over and over again like Asteroids or Defender or Spy Hunter. They just walked away from it and that was it. Awesome. I really do appreciate getting the chance to talk to you Todd. Perfect. And I'm looking forward to actually, if you're going to Pin Expo, I'm actually going, so I will be happy to meet you in person. And you better take me out for lunch. Oh, I will. I will. Don't worry. We'll find the largest buffet, don't worry. A buffet. A buffet. I'm glad you all listened. Now get out! Thanks Todd. Alright, take it easy. Bye bye. Alright, thanks. Bye. watch his livestream auctions, if you have arcade cabinets, or other pinball machines that you need parts for, he auctions off a lot of boards, he auctions off a lot of parts, he auctions off a lot of stuff you just can't get. So please check that out. And, til next time keep it flippin'