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Steve Johnson shares pinball collection journey, restoration practices, and market pricing observations.
Steve has been collecting pinball machines for approximately 13-14 years, starting around 2007.
high confidence · Steve Johnson stated: 'I've been collecting pinball machines for, I guess it's now like the last 13, 14 years.'
Steve's current collection contains approximately 25 machines, down from a peak of 35-36 machines.
high confidence · Steve: 'I think at one point I had 35 or 36 pinball machines in my basement' and later lists current machines in the episode.
Steve purchased Wizard of Oz from Jersey Jack in summer 2014 after playing it at 1-Up arcade.
high confidence · Steve: 'This was, I think it was the summer of 2014. So I think it was about May of 2014.'
Classic and solid-state pinball machines have significantly increased in secondary market value over the past 2-3 years.
high confidence · Steve and Drew discuss Raven pricing increasing from ~$500 two years ago to $1,600-$1,700 currently, and general observation that working games cannot be found for less than $1,500.
Black Rose pinball machines are commanding $2,500-$3,200 on the secondary market despite variable condition.
medium confidence · Steve saw a Black Rose listed for $3,200 with multiple condition issues, and mentions selling his own for approximately $2,500-$2,800.
Monster Bash machines were listed at approximately $4,500 at local pinball shows around 2006.
medium confidence · Ian: 'There was a Monster Bash there. And they wanted like $4,500 for it' circa 2006.
“I've been collecting pinball machines for, I guess it's now like the last 13, 14 years.”
Steve Johnson @ ~10:30 — Establishes Steve's tenure and credibility as a long-term collector with historical market perspective.
“And my wife looked at it like, you can do whatever you want to it, like whatever. This thing's hideous.”
Steve Johnson @ ~22:45 — Illustrates the turning point where Steve's wife approved pinball restoration as a viable hobby after he successfully restored Fish Tales for $20 in parts.
“And over the last two to three years, I've started taking a step back going, okay, which games are like my keeper games? Those are the games that I'm going to really mod out and just throw money at.”
Steve Johnson @ ~35:00 — Shows shift in collecting philosophy from quantity to quality/selective investment in specific machines.
“I was like, who's got $2,000 for a pinball machine now? You know, they're $4,000, $5,000 all day depending on the quality of them.”
Ian @ ~30:00 — Reflects on dramatic pricing inflation in the pinball market over the past decade.
“These prices are just what they are. And now, you know, seven, eight years later, I'm going, well, that game shouldn't cost that much. It should be way less.”
Steve Johnson @ ~28:30 — Demonstrates long-term collector perspective on how normalized high pricing has become despite initial shock.
collector_signal: Significant pricing increases observed across classic and solid-state pinball machines over 2-3 year period. Games that were considered 'bottom of barrel' and difficult to sell for $500-800 now command $1,600-$3,200+ regardless of condition.
high · Raven: $500 two years ago → $1,600-$1,700 now; Black Rose: $2,500-$2,800 (Steve's sale) → $3,200 (recent listing); general consensus that working machines cannot be found for less than $1,500; arcade games (Tron arcade cabinets) holding ~$2,000 value.
market_signal: Secondary market pricing is heavily influenced by theme popularity and current trends rather than actual condition or functionality. Popular titles command premium prices even in poor condition.
high · Black Rose listing at $3,200 with multiple defects (flaking paint, warped plastics, broken cannon); Steve observes 'it just depends if the title's hot or not'; dealers buying cheap and reselling at top dollar without maintenance.
community_signal: Shift among experienced collectors from quantity-focused accumulation (Steve's peak of 35-36 machines) toward quality-focused curation of 'keeper games' with selective modification investment.
high · Steve: 'Over the last two to three years, I've started taking a step back going, okay, which games are like my keeper games? Those are the games that I'm going to really mod out and just throw money at' (identified Wizard of Oz, Tron, Metallica as keepers).
operational_signal: Experienced collectors employ standardized restoration workflow: topside teardown → LED conversion → waxing → playfield optimization. Selective cabinet restoration based on condition rather than cosmetic perfection.
high · Steve: 'I always try to keep my games always clean well, and I'll at least do a topside teardown on the games that I get, and then I'll LED them out and wax them up'; both speakers acknowledge preference for playfield quality over cabinet aesthetics.
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product_concern: Williams Data East era machines suffer from inadequate clear coat application that fails catastrophically upon handling, leading to paint flaking and requiring full restoration work.
high · Steve on Batman Data East: 'I took the sling off and the paint just started flaking off... those Batmans, they have this stealth clear coat on it, and the stealth, I think, stands for non-existent because you can't see it.'
venue_signal: Local arcade venues (1-Up) serve as critical discovery and trial points for potential machine purchases, particularly licensed titles from premium manufacturers.
medium · Steve's Wizard of Oz purchase was directly triggered by family experience at 1-Up arcade in 2014, leading to $7,000+ machine investment; described as key moment that resumed collecting hobby after years of dormancy.
collector_signal: Spouses play active role in collection curation and financial oversight; wives providing taste input on game selection and maintaining expense tracking (spreadsheets). Children (ages 6-8) driving gameplay preferences and demand for specific titles.
high · Steve: wife has 'really good taste in how the flow of pinball machines go' and he asks her approval before purchases; wife maintains Excel spreadsheet of collection costs; children gravitate toward Deadpool, Guardians, Pirates for character selection and 'plundering' mechanics.
historical_signal: Long-term collectors maintain historical price anchors (2006-2010 baseline) and express continued shock at normalized high pricing, creating cognitive dissonance about market conditions.
high · Steve: 'I used to listen to the guys who've been in it since the 90s complaining in the early 2011, 2012 what the prices were... now, you know, seven, eight years later, I'm going, well, that game shouldn't cost that much.'; Ian recalls $2,000 Monster Bash as shocking in 2006, now regrets not buying five of them.
market_signal: Vintage bar signage and other retro collectibles experienced similar 3-year price acceleration as pinball machines, suggesting broader nostalgia/collector market dynamics.
medium · Ian: 'Bar signs just blew up within the last three years. Like I probably couldn't afford half the shit I have in my walls just because of pricing going up. And pinballs was no exception, man, no exception at all.'
operational_signal: Secondary market dealers engaging in low-touch arbitrage: purchasing machines at discount, performing minimal or no restoration, listing at top-dollar prices targeting trend-sensitive buyers.
high · Steve and Ian discuss local dealers 'buy games, they won't do anything. They'll buy them really cheap, they won't do anything, and then they'll list them for top dollar'; both speakers warn against purchasing from such dealers unless heavily discounted.
collector_signal: Market has decoupled condition from pricing in hot titles. Well-maintained machines and heavily damaged machines now command similar prices if theme is desirable, eliminating restoration ROI incentive.
high · Black Rose example: $3,200 asking price despite broken cannon assembly, warped plastics, flaking paint; Steve's pristine Black Rose sold for $2,500-$2,800; Ian notes he 'wouldn't have to have really, really good, well-maintained machines to get top dollar for it... it just depends if the title's hot or not.'