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Check out our stuff. You know, we're going to hit you with a few more, you know, advertisements, if you will. You know, but whatever. It's who we are now, so deal with it. Welcome to the shit show. Enjoy the show, guys. Today, we have a very special guest with us today. We have a guest. Tribe member number 16, Steve Johnson. How are you doing today, Steve? I'm doing great. How are you? Fantastic. Doing good. Doing fine. Doing fine. Steve, tell us your tale, man. How are things going with you? Oh, man. Yeah. For about the last month and a half, it's been kind of sad. Well, I've been playing some pinball, been buying a couple machines, been homeschooling my kids, which is a blast, and trying to watch my eight-month-old daughter as well. So that's always fun to try and help with that. Oh, my gosh. Yes. And then my wife is also homeworking. Um, so, uh, she's there, but she's not really there to help. Uh, it's frustrating because it's like, well, you're just right there. But are you sick of your wife yet? I'm sick of my wife. It's okay. She doesn't listen. Go ahead and tell her. No, she's actually really good. She takes breaks throughout the day. And, uh, um, there's some areas of, uh, that I lack in, um, grammar is one of them. And, uh, my son is in third grade and sometimes I'm like, I'm just like, let me go get your mom real quick because she can help you with this and I can't. You feel like it's that show, are you smarter than a fifth grader? And you're like, nope, I lose. Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely. Like math, I'm pretty strong on, but if you throw in any sort of grammar, yeah, I'm SOL. Just say goodbye. You should just put on episodes of the poor man's pinball for your kids and say, we're going to learn all about grammar. We'll teach them. We'll teach them. We'll teach them some stuff. Yeah. Well, I'm lucky that I can form sentences, I guess. After going through third grade grammar again, I don't know how I speak. No, it is amazing when you look at proper stuff, and even like math. You know, math is pretty concrete, but when you look at it on paper and you're trying to do it, it's just, you know, we don't do it every day, so here you are. It definitely took a little bit of time to remember multiplication and division, and he's in Montessori, and so they have this stamp game. And I asked him, like, do you know how to do the stamp game? And he goes, no. I said, okay, well, you're going to learn math the way that I learned it then. And so we've been doing it, you know, 1990s style. Don't you just go to YouTube and, like, type in teach math and then just set them in front of the computer? Well, I did that with the stamp game, and I watched a few videos, and I still didn't get it. made me feel real, real, real intelligent. And then when I looked at him, I was like, well, you've been doing this all year. Do you know what to do? And he goes, no. I was like, there you have it. The U.S. education system has failed us again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I was better at grammar, I might think about homeschooling. But since I'm not, they're going back to school next year. Yeah. Send them to the babysitter. I mean, school. Whatever. Absolutely. Cool, man. So what have you been playing? One of the more recent games I got was Avatar, so I've been playing that. I've got Deadpool that I've really been enjoying, and the Deadpool Premium, Metallica, Tron. And then I got a couple games. I received Earthshaker and Batman Data East. and I was excited. It's my second Earthshaker zone. That's still sitting in the garage waiting for me to clean it up. But I brought Batman in expecting to clean it up and took the sling off and the paint just started flaking off. Oh no. Yeah, yeah. So I've got some clear coat that I'm going to kind of brush on and hopefully save some of the artwork because those Batmans, they have this stealth clear coat on it, and the stealth, I think, stands for non-existent because you can't see it. Let me give you the only clear coat advice I have. Don't do it in your house when your wife is home. That is it. That's some solid advice. You mean, Drew, don't do it in the room next door to the living room? Yes. Yes. And don't tell her you opened the window so it's okay. because that definitely doesn't work. No. And Drew's hobby would have ended shortly thereafter. It's amazing I'm still alive, and not because the clear coat was going to kill me, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Maybe she lost some brain cells during that as well. Yeah. She's been losing them ever since she met Drew. It's okay. I was going to say she married me. I don't know that she's very stable to begin with. So here we are. She better not listen to this episode. All right, so let's get into what you're drinking. Drew, what's on the menu today? I'm looking at a half-empty bottle of Screwball peanut butter whiskey. I cannot get enough of this shit. A couple of our members have sent me pictures of it, so they're enjoying it as well. It's so good. Screwball peanut butter whiskey. They are not a sponsor, but they should be. Steve, what you drinking, bud? I am drinking some Lafroig Single Malt Scotch Cardea, which means friend in Gaelic. So, yeah, I've got about a fourth of the bottle left, so I'll probably finish it off tonight. My man. All right. And I am drinking some Johnny Walker Black Label because, I don't know, it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy. And then I get real emotional doing this show, and it's just good to listen to, right, guys? When you said that, Ian, I just had a flashback, and now I really miss being there with you. My Johnny Walker black nights? Yeah, those are always good nights. They're my blackout nights. That's when we do fucking Friday the wrong way. Those are good nights. You know, and honestly, like, as much fun as I have recording this episode with Ian, I have so much more fun afterwards when we're just hammered and we're playing pinball. Oh, I'll bet. That's the best time to be around other people while playing pinball. Yeah, it's awesome. And he's like, oh, you want to play a game? I'm like, sure, but I've got to go to work tomorrow. He's like, yeah, so do I. So we just keep playing, and then all of a sudden it's like midnight, and we're like, yeah, it's probably time to wrap it up. But it's so cool. I feel like shit at work, and I'm a terrible, terrible employee. And then I probably have, yeah, 15 text messages from Ian over the last year where it's like, are you hungover today? Yep, me too. Okay. The only way I drink single malt is I have never had a hangover with drinking single malt, and I polished off an entire bottle in one night thinking, oh, the next morning is going to be terrible. Well, here's what's going to happen, Steve. You didn't know this, but every guest, every time Drew says something stupid on the podcast, you've got to take a swig. That's new for me, but I've been taking swigs every time he says something stupid just because. It's the poor man's drinking game. Stay along at home, people. No, don't. I don't want to be sued for whatever. I swear. No one can go anywhere. So, yeah, go ahead. I swear, Steve, though, hangovers are like, it's a byproduct of sugar and whatever mixers you're using. Because, like, with Johnny Walker Black, I never really get hungover. Anything like, if I'm just sipping pure booze, I'm not going to feel shitty the next day. Unless the booze has a lot of sugar, like the Honey Jack, you know, the Jack Daniels honey. That thing is sweet as shit. Or the Soul Boxer. Soul Boxer was 100%. That was Kool-Aid in whose form. Yeah, well, and that's why I like the single malt. Like I'll polish off pretty close to a whole bottle in one evening and the next morning wake up at 6 a.m. ready to go do whatever. Steve, what games do you have in your wonderful collection? You already kind of dropped a few of them on us. Yeah, so my current collection, I've got The Hobbit. I've got a Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean The Wizard of Oz Guardians of the Galaxy Pro Deadpool Premium Tron Pro, Metallica Premium Congo I've got Monster Bash Original Home Use Only and Adam's Family Home Use Only Revenge from Mars and Iron Man I've got a Blackwater 100 Prospector Transformers, LE, Space Shuttle, Batman, Data East, Avatar Pro, Earthshaker, Funhaus, and then Fish Tales. Steve, I told you the list what you own, not the top 100, okay, motherfucker? Yeah, next time give me the top 100 that you don't own. Iron Maiden. Oh, my God. Bad ass. Which games do you find that you play the most out of all those? Because you've got some heavy hitters in there. You know, the games that I play the most are probably Metallica, Tron, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Wizard of Oz. And Guardians of the Galaxy is pretty up there as well. What game have you not played this year? That's come out? No, which in your collection? Oh, in my collection this year? I've actually played them all this year. Okay. Yeah, I played them all this year just to kind of figure out if there's anything wrong that I can kind of tweak on them. And I've been trying to get the collection up. I do have another one that is like a major project. It's an old Williams double barrel. I think it's from 1961. and that one I've had for about three years, and I finally put legs on it, and it's still headless right now, but it's missing inserts, and it's a bit of a project. But I think I ordered all the parts for it. I just need to actually sit down and do it. The thing I like about your collection is it's very balanced. You have everything you could possibly want in there, which is cool. Yeah, and I've gone through some other games that recently I had a Jurassic Park Pro. I played that for a while, and it was okay. If you're going to own one, though, I think the premium is the way to go on that. Check. Agreed. Yeah, I played the premium, and the moving T-Rex head just is phenomenal. and there's a guy who I think is making a new head for that that looks more like a T-Rex, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, they had a couple for the Pro that were like the T-Rex. It was more of the body kind of sticking out. Oh, okay. Yeah, so it was just the sculpt. It didn't move, but it looked a hell of a lot better. Yeah, yeah. So I actually get it down, and I don't play a ton. I don't play as much as I used to because I've got an infant child, and she demands a lot of my time. But I do get down here, and my older boys that are six and eight, they usually say, hey, let's go play a game of pinball. And so they kind of drag me down, and we have a little competition, so it's fun. That's cool. What do they gravitate towards? They really like Guardians of the Galaxy and Deadpool. I was just about to say, probably Deadpool, huh? Yeah, Deadpool. Cool, and then Pirates. Pirates is another one that they tend to go to, and they really enjoy playing. They like choosing their characters, and they like it when they get to plunder somebody's ball or when they get to plunder somebody's score. They think that's hilarious. Oh, that's awesome. That's super cool. It sounds savage. I love it. Yeah. That's awesome. So you said you're doing a lot of work with these games, and you're fixing them and doing all kinds of stuff, huh? Yeah, I buy some of them that are fully functioning. I buy others that need some work. I've been collecting pinball machines for, I guess it's now like the last 13, 14 years. And when I got into it, I bought a Johnny Mnemonic, and it was – I bought it from JJ at Game Exchange. And it played great. Everybody always was concerned about the hand. I never had any issues with that. And then we bought one of the local arcade, kind of like a Dave & Buster's was going out of business. And we decided to go and buy one of the sit-down Jurassic Park arcade games from the 90s. Cool. And it sounds great. And we were going to move it into the basement of our last house. And it broke up into three parts because it's just massive. and we were going to move it down there. And I fixed it up, cleaned it up. It was sitting in the dining room for about three months. And it was like, okay, we're going to move this down. So I called a friend over. He came over and we went to go move it down and it didn't fit by like half an inch. So heartbreaking. Yeah, so we were like, well, that sucks. And so we ended up, I contacted another person locally that buys and sells games. And we said, we've got this game. We want to trade it towards a pinball machine. And this was around 2007. And he said, well, why don't you come on down? I know which game you're talking about. I saw it at the auction. Why don't you come on down? You can see what I've got in stock, and then we can probably make a deal. So we said, all right. So we drove to his location. We looked at his games, and it came down to Mary Shelley's Frankenstein or Tales of the Arabian Nights. Oh, you had some tales there, right? Yeah, yeah. And my wife was like, yeah, we're going with tales. And so we were still very noobs at this, didn't know what we were doing. and I think we ended up buying Tales of the Arabian Nights in 2007 for like $2,500 after everything was said and done crazy yeah so those were our only two games for a long time and then we moved houses, we put the games in the basement, we played them occasionally life got busy, work got busy and we kind of forgot about it a little bit and then we started having kids and I was still watching pinball a little bit here and there, and I saw that Wizard of Oz was going to be coming out from Jersey Jack, and I was pretty excited about that, so I kind of followed their progress, and then when it actually came out, I was like, oh yeah, that game came out, and our local arcade, the 1-Up, had one, and so it was a Saturday, and I talked to my wife. I was like, hey, let's take the kids down to 1-Up. I want to try this Wizard of Oz pinball machine, so we drove down there, And the kids ended up loving pinball. They were, I think, one in three at the time. And after we left, I was like, man, that Wizard of Oz pinball machine is just absolutely incredible. And she's like, well, you know, I didn't really buy much of a birthday present or Father's Day gift this year. Why don't you find one and buy it for yourself? God damn. I was like, okay. And so I found a guy on Pinside who was selling his spot because they were still just coming out. This was, I think it was the summer of 2014. So I think it was about May of 2014. And so I found a guy, and he's like, yeah, my spot is going to become available probably within the next month. So I went ahead and gave him money and took his spot. And then about a month later, the game showed up. And in between getting that game, I started shopping out the games that I had. And I was like, this is actually kind of fun. And at this point, I was a stay-at-home dad, and I was kind of looking for a hobby. And I decided that, like, this might be the hobby that I want. So I found a Fishtails that needed – it didn't work. It was having the reset issue. And so I was like, well, I talked to my wife, and I was like, I think I'm going to buy this game and try and fix it up. And she's like, okay, you can do it. So went and bought a fishtails. I think I spent $1,400 on it, and it didn't work. It was really dirty, just ugly. Brought it home, set it up, and my wife looked at it like, you can do whatever you want to it, like whatever. This thing's hideous. And for $20 worth of parts, I got it working, and then I completely shopped it out, put LEDs in it, and showed her, and she's like, okay, if you want to do this as an obby, you can, because you can fix it. So that's what really kicked it off. And then about over the next three years, four years, I just went nuts, and I think at one point I had 35 or 36 pinball machines in my basement. Wait, wait, wait. Does hobby get successive? No, no, no. I know. It very rarely happens. Usually you just want it done. but yeah yeah I'm still playing Last Action Hero every day uh yeah so yeah it just it just kind of took over and you know you're constantly searching Craigslist and talking to other local collectors and as a family we would drive all over our state going okay we want to try playing this game like is there one local like oh well there's one about 45 minutes away so we'd all hop in the car and take a little road trip up there and go play it And I asked my wife because she had a really good taste in how the flow of pinball machines go. And so I think, okay, which game do you want? Because if she signs off, then you're good to go. And so I took it as she told me a game that she liked, and then I'd just go out and buy it. I'd be like, I bought it. Like, you wanted it, right? That's awesome. That is so cool. And then it was about a year and a half ago. the family decided they wanted to put the pool table back up, and so I had to drop the collection down from 35 to what it is today. You poor man with your first world problems. I know. Well, I just keep looking over there, and there's an area of our house that has a crawl space, and I keep getting it quoted out because it's like, how much would that cost? and the quotes that I've gotten are like $150,000, which is just ridiculous. And my wife just keeps telling me, like, we're on about a third of an acre of land and she keeps telling me, just build a shed out back that can house more games and you can buy more games. Wow. So that's a possibility in the future. Wow. It sounds like you have an awesome pinball relationship with your wife. That's cool. I absolutely do. I absolutely do. And it's fun for her because we put it all on Excel, and she kind of geeks out over, like, how much we spent on it and, like, having just all that information. So she really geeks out over it. Yeah, I made a spreadsheet the last couple months, and, yeah, it made me sad. I got really honest about how much I spent on all this stuff, and it's a lot. But it's enjoyable. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a hobby. And when you've been in it as long as I have, I used to listen to the guys who've been in it since the 90s complaining in the early 2011, 2012 what the prices were. And it's like, these prices are just what they are. And now, you know, seven, eight years later, I'm going, well, that game shouldn't cost that much. It should be way less. Like, I wouldn't spend this much on that game. And so it really skews the price point when you've been in the hobby longer and you used to see the prices of what they used to go for. You just kind of keep that in your mind, going, well, I could pick this up for this much. I remember when we first started going to pinball, there was a local pinball show that we'd go to, and it was like 2006. And they had Monster Bash. There was a Monster Bash there. And they wanted like $4,500 for it. And it was like, that's a ridiculous price for a pinball machine. Like, I'm going to go buy Johnny Mnemonic for $2,200, you know, because it was retail price. And, yeah, it was now you look back and go, well, I should have bought, like, five Monster Bashes for that price. Right. Yeah. That's like my creature story. Yeah, that's like my creature story when I saw it in that show back in, like, early 2000s for $2,000. I was like, who's got $2,000 for a pinball machine now? You know, they're $4,000, $5,000 all day depending on the quality of them. But, yeah. No, all that stuff jumps up, man. And even like I look around in my basement here, I got all these bar signs. Bar signs just blew up within the last three years. Like I probably couldn't afford half the shit I have in my walls just because of pricing going up. And pinballs was no exception, man, no exception at all. I think I saw a Raven yesterday, a Raven for sale for, what was it going for, $1,600, $1,700? Yeah. Yeah. That's still bottom of the barrel pricing. And I'm like, it's bottom of the barrel, but what was it, two years ago? It was like $500, you know, hopefully get it out of your house. Yeah, all those games used to be so much less, and people were like, oh, we don't really like these. And now it doesn't matter. And $1,500, $1,600 is that bottom price. It's like, oh, well, it's a solid-state game, so it has to go for at least this. Right, right. Yeah, I bought a not-working firepower, sorry, a meteor for $1,100, you know. I mean, it is what it is. Yep. you just can't get anything that's working anymore for less than $15 yeah it's kind of ridiculous and that's why when games pop up that are a good deal I've always been very open with my wife on pricing of games and so when something comes up and it's a good deal I'm like hey this is a good deal we should probably buy this she's like okay I trust you just do it yeah you should take the Dave Jeff Brenner approach another tribe member he says honey it's on the list and it was a good deal yeah well the problem is you can do that the problem is is sometimes it's a game that like i don't necessarily want or haven't ever thought about until it's like well that's actually a good price for it yeah isn't that funny you're like i don't want this game that's a good price i should i should probably try to jump on that like yeah it's so stupid but it's it's what we do Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely. And then once you get a game, like when you first really get into it, you start modding it like crazy. Don't remind me. Well, and that's every game you get, it's like, oh, well, I've got to do everything to it, like what mods are out there for it. And over the last two to three years, I've started taking a step back going, okay, which games are like my keeper games? Those are the games that I'm going to really mod out and just throw money at And if a new mod comes out, it's like, this game I'm going to have so it doesn't really matter if I'm, you know, underwater on. And a couple of my games like that are The Wizard of Oz, Tron, and Metallica. Those are kind of the games where when something comes out, it's like, that's really cool. I'm going to spend some money on this. Right. Did you guys see the, there was a Black Rose for sale just recently. I did. Did you see the price? $3,200. $3,200, but did you read the description? I thought it was very interesting because I know I sold mine for roughly, I think, right around there. And mine was fucking flawless for the most part. But if you actually read the description, because the pictures looked really nice on it, you know, it looked like it was powder coated. Now it was just kind of painted. It was flaking off. And then the cannon assembly, the main toy in the thing, didn't go all the way, I think, to the right. So it couldn do any of the shots on the right hand side But on the left it was okay and I was just reading and I was like oh man And then it was like plastics were warped and chipped and all these things that were wrong with it And I was like fuck me Mine was perfect, and I sold that. You'll probably get that, too, for Black Rose, because it's just one of those games that got real popular within the last couple years. But, yeah, I was just shocked that you don't have to have really, really good, well-maintained machines to get top dollar for it. sometimes, you know, it just depends if the title's hot or not. Yeah, yeah, well, for me, I always try to keep my games always clean well, and I'll at least do a topside teardown on the games that I get, and then I'll LED them out and wax them up and get them playing really well, because I had a Black Rose as well, and I was trying to remember what I sold mine for. I think I ended up selling it for $2,500 or $2,800, right around there. And the family that bought it, I think they ended up buying a couple other games from me. Yeah, that was a going price for Black Rose for a long time. I mean, I felt like that was always kind of right there with that price line on Black Rose. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, no, games, yeah, it's funny when you see games listed. and there's a couple people around here, hopefully, that they'll buy games, they won't do anything. They'll buy them really cheap, they won't do anything, and then they'll list them for top dollar, and I'm sure you've got that around where you guys live as well. Oh, it happens all the time, yeah. You see it, and there's always those people where it's like, I wouldn't buy any game from this person unless it was, like, bottom of the dollar pricing. Right, especially when you see something, like, shopped out, right? You're like, well... I'm looking at it. It doesn't even look shopped up from the photos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you'll see completely rebuilt or restored. That's a popular one that people like throwing out. And then you'll be like, what do you mean by restored? Does that mean you plugged it in and made it work? Because that's not restored. Look, it plunges three balls. It's restored. It works. Yeah, it's interesting to see. And as you start buying machines, you start being a little bit more nitpicky about it. For me, I've never really cared about the cabinet a whole lot. If the play field is nice, I'm happy. See, it's funny. I'm the same way. When you have a bunch of games kind of, like, jammed together, I mean, you know, the cabinet is what it is. But, yeah, the play field and how it plays is obviously really important. Yeah. It's just funny you say that, Steve, because when I was into, you know, I was into the arcade scene for a while there. And, you know, when I first started doing complete, like, you know, fixing up machines and selling them, you know, I had to make sure that the cabinets were just beautiful and meticulous. And I had to make sure that it had all new artwork. But by the time I was done, I was like, I kind of appreciated all the little battle scars because they were all in arcades. They were in bowling alleys, cigarette burns. I loved all of it. I was like, you know, that's kind of just cool. That's history. You know, but when I first started, I was like, oh, God, no. Oh, God, these have got to be damn perfect. You know, got to get rid of everything. So pinball, you know, I'm still okay with dings on cabinet side, art, and, you know, backbox. I'm okay with that because it's a living, breathing thing then. It wasn't brand new, never played. It was loved. It was played a lot, which I love. And then, obviously, you want a really nice play field because you want the game to play really well, obviously. And, yeah, I'm with you there, man. I agree with you 100%. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, arcade guys. I've got a couple arcade games, and I haven't really dabbled a whole lot in them other than I bought, like, a Tron arcade. And I put that up at – we've got a couple of vacation rentals, and I put that in on vacation rental. And then when we were kind of redoing some stuff up there, I brought that down to sell it. And arcade collectors, man, those guys talk about people being cheap. Yes. Like, you know, like I had a fully functioning working Tron, and, you know, on Clav, the going rate for those were roughly like $2,000. Locally, people kept beating me up, and there was no water damage. It wasn't 100% perfect, like, cosmetically, but everything worked, and people were beating me up on it on price over like $100. And it was like, well, if you can't afford an extra $100, maybe you should find a different hobby. Yeah, I felt like when I was selling a lot of my games, it started off very cool. You're meeting other collectors, and everyone kind of knows the prices of things. And then, I don't know, towards the end there, I felt like there was this whole new wave of collectors that just found this hobby. And all of a sudden, it was just like, oh, you want that for Popeye? That's insane. I'm like, no, this is what Popeyes go for. That's what I paid for. That's a fair price. Oh, no, look. Look at this scratch right there. I'm like, man, this thing is like 30 years old. What are you talking about, bro? So would you want this thing to be flawless completely for this? No, this is beautiful, you know. You get into those fights, these nitpicks. I'll throw $50 off because, you know, the coin max don't work. I'm like, you're going to put quarters in this fucking thing? It's set on free play, man. Throw it in your basement. You'll be happy, you know. But, yeah, it eventually chased me out of the hobby a bit. I was like, I just can't deal with these people. It's funny you say all that. I dealt with some of those guys, and most of them were okay for me. But the pinball, yeah, it doesn't happen that much in pinball. No, pinball guys, that's what I found about pinball guys. It's like if somebody lists a game, you go and look at it, and if there's something wrong, or even if there's not, you'll be like, hey, you know, could you drop it like $1,500? And they'll go, yeah, sure, I can do that. They're not nitpicky about it. And I do the same thing when somebody comes over and they look at a machine, if it's close price-wise, it's like, yeah, let's go ahead and do that. That's what I really appreciated about the pinball hobby versus the very few arcades that I've dealt with. The whole nitpicking on price and just kind of complaining about $50 to $100. If that's going to break your bank, maybe you should find a little bit cheaper hobby. Not to be pompous. Don't go after Popeye Nintendo cabs. Maybe you should try to get a centipede or something where there's a million of them and they're not expensive or something else. Don't get mad when I want to charge $4,000 for a tapper. That's just how those go. I can't help you. I can't help you otherwise. But I get you, man. I get you. Drew knows all about that. He spent all sorts of money on like 15 different Operation Wolves, right, Drew? Yeah, too many. Too many. Trying to get one to work, baby. Oh, man. That's a cool game, though. That's a cool game. Man, yeah. That's the other thing with arcades is, like, if they're not working when I get them, I can work on pinball PCBs, CPUs. Like, I can deal with that stuff. But when it comes to the arcade, I can go ahead and recap the neck for the monitor. Isn't that funny? Because, like, yeah, I knew shit about arcade PCBs, but I've done plenty of pinball stuff now, and I got it to work. It's amazing. I don't know. Well, you feel like a rock star when you do it. Yes. Yes, you feel very, very good when you do it. Yeah. Something about it just clicks in my brain more so than, you know, because the mechanical stuff I'm better with. Maybe that's it, you know, not all the, you know, computer programming stuff. I think you nailed it. But, like, when it comes to physical things working, I can figure it out and go, okay, well, this isn't working. What drives this? Versus, like, on the arcade, it's like when something's not working, I just scratch my head like a monkey and go, oh, I don't know. Well, I still have my pinball machines as rocks. As long as you clear code after it, you're okay, right? Yep. Rock kick will soon be sold on Silver Ball Swag, so look for your rock kicks. I will say though I recently picked up a Spy Hunter and it was in Utah and Lee, he's another member of the tribe good friend of mine and I was talking with him and I was like hey, I bought this game I actually told him he should buy it first because his family came out here over one of the holidays and they were playing Spy Hunter and his kid absolutely loved it And so when it came for sale right next to him, I said, dude, you should buy this. He's like, well, the monitor's not working, and it's just, it's like, you can fix pinball machines. Like, this is going to be probably an easy fix. He's like, yeah, no, I'm just going to pass. I was like, well, would you mind picking it up for me, and then I'm going to have it shipped out here. He said, yeah, I can absolutely do that. So we worked it out, finally got it shipped out here. I bought it in December. It shipped out here, I want to say it was March. early March. And so I was looking at it, and I was noticing one of the fuses was getting really red when I turned the game on. And so I tested the fuse, and sure enough, like, it was bad. So I replaced it, noticed that the next one was getting really hot, so I tested it, it tested bad, I replaced it, and then the game just warped. So it was legitimately, it wasn't a fuse, it was two fuses. And so I just give a crap over it now that you should have bought this game. It was legitimately two fuses, and then it works perfect. No burn-in on the screen, and it's just pretty. Shout-out Lee. Shout-out Lee. Lee, you crazy son of a bitch, you did it. He didn't do it. That was the problem. Lee, you crazy son of a bitch, do it next time. I told him, because Utah is kind of weird. They've got a really tight group of people out there, and I've gone out there for a couple gaming cons where they have a pinball competition going on, and it is the most fun that I've had outside of TPF when it comes to competitive pinball. It's very laid back, and it's so much fun, and the guys out in Utah are just phenomenal. phenomenal. They're all very friendly, welcoming. I came from one state over, and I'm a nobody. And they're like, you came from Colorado to this? You feel like a rock star. I was going to say, that's rock star status right there, buddy. You did it. Exactly. It's like, you came from out of state for this? Well, I came to hang out with my friend, and I know you guys, so yeah, why not? We're going to Utah, Ian. We need to be rock stars. Yeah, you know, that's why those loser kids have better views than we do because, you know, they're all a tight group over there and everyone in Milwaukee is a bunch of assholes. Yeah. True story. True story. That's alright. We still love Milwaukee. And now, the moment you've all been waiting for. Of course, I'm talking about the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast personal pinball news. Should we do some poor man's personal pinball news? Let's do it. All right, Drew, what do you got, buddy? I got a surprise for you, too, Ian. Would you buy me another game? No, not yet. Did you buy him a whitewater topper? No, he didn't want that. It doesn't fit in his basement. Fuck that topper. He's got one of those poor man basements. Yeah, Kaneda would make fun of him, too. I'm looking at my routine and it's beautiful. I don't care what you guys say. Firepower. Firepower is still awesome. I'm still powder coat. It should be done this week. So I'm excited about that. Man, this thing is getting tedious. Tedious and expensive. I'm still having fun, but I'm ready for this one to be done so I can play it. You know what I mean? Right. But, Steve, what was the longest project you've ever done on a pinball? One that I've actually started because I have that double barrel that I've had for three years, and I just put it on legs like a month ago. Okay, so you know what it's like. You're like, I'm going to get this done someday, right? Yeah, yeah. And then it's got all the parts sitting on top to actually fix it, but they're just sitting there. Yeah, yeah. No, I just, you know, I keep, like, destroying my room. It's, you know, full of shit. I brought it out to the garage. I was working on it out there. Brought it back in. Like I said, I'm in the homestretch now. You know, I'm putting on the post. I'm waiting for the powder coat. You know, I got the new plastics. I'm ready to go. But, yeah, I got to get this thing, you know, up and going. So that's cool. So Meteor. I was going to, I looked into and priced everything to kind of, like, redo Meteor, right? I'm talking ground-up restoration, brand-new play field. I already have the brand-new boards. So I was going to just buy new sockets, buy all new parts, and I was going to do this Meteor. And I was like, that's cool. But then when I started pricing it out, this Meteor was going to cost me like $4,000, right? Not a good move, correct? I wouldn't think so. Okay. Okay, so me, normally being the impulsive type, I actually took a step back, as you said. And I was like, hmm. So I have this great, it works, and I can just shop it out and make it, you know, great, and that's fine. You know, I only paid $1,100 for it. That's a good deal, right, for a Meteor? You know, put a couple hundred dollars in it, and I got this awesome Meteor. Cool. Then I was like, wait a minute. All these great Stern games use the exact same boards that I already got, the brand new boards, right? So then I started talking to Dave, our restoration expert tribe member, Dave Jeff Brenner, and I said, Dave, if I wanted to make this thing into, wait for it, a Quicksilver, could I do it for the same price? He said yes. So I'm going to turn Meteor into Quicksilver. What do you think? Good choice. Okay. Okay, so I love that game. I love that game. I know you do, and that's why this is a surprise for you, Ian. So here's the other thing that you can do, though, that I've done or thought about doing a couple other times is you keep that Meteor play field, and then you can drop it in whenever you want to play, have a change-up, if you will. Yes. No, you know what? That's a cool plan because, like I said, it works 100%. My only issue – no, I don't have – sorry, you're right. I don't have issues with the game. So I can source a Quicksilver play field. Like I said, I have all the electronics. That's all there. The transformer is the same. All the wiring is the same. There's a guy on Pinside that sells wiring harnesses. So I'm going to get a wiring harness, I'm going to get a play field, and I'm going to make me a Quicksilver. That's happening. What are you going to do for the backlash? Is there anybody who reproduces that? Oh, you know what? That's the one I haven't looked for. I know I can get a play field and wiring harnesses and all the parts I can get. Crap. See, you just stumped me. Sharpie. Just write Quicksilver on it and white out. Don't let that kill it because you could probably have one scanned and do it on plexiglass. Yeah, I was going to say, I could do a Translight probably. You know, for relatively inexpensive. Yeah. So there's a couple places. What is it, Mayfair? Do they do – I think it's Mayfair that does the back glasses out of New York. You might want to call them and see if they have any back glasses in stock because sometimes they have some hard back glasses. Yeah, I'm doing all the research now. But like I said, the only problem I have – like having a nice brand-new Meteor would be cool, but not for $4,000. You know what I mean? No, no. Quicksilver is the much better way to go. And then having that drop it, because for a while I had Jungle Lord, and I kind of wanted to buy a couple of those other games that you could just drop in and put in like the different chipsets, like Black Knight, and have a Black Knight even though it's in a Jungle Lord cabinet. Sure, sure. I think that's awesome. That's a great idea. So would you go, because the other options are obviously Stargazer or Sea Witch also. Sea Witch is pretty cool. So I'm not 100% sold on either one. Obviously all three games are really cool. So those are kind of my options. Because I can source, you know, most of those parts for that stuff. And I can get the wiring harness, which is obviously one of the most important parts. so yeah i would say quicksilver or yeah quicksilver might be your best bet ian i'm sure you're looking at quicksilver huh i'm uh i'm looking at alternate translates here and there's a lot of nudity in some of these alternate chance oh man uh i can send you the link uh you on facebook there I can be everywhere I'll just put it on our gmail I'll send it to him it's the most ridiculous it's the most ridiculous poor man get a booby back glass yeah this was spring break alternate translate 7 not safe for work 89.95 yeah it's one of them it's ministry of pinball it's the european one but yeah it's pretty good Oh, shit. You just gave me $200 because the back glass would be almost $300 shipped. Yeah. Check our email. Check our poor man's email. I sent it to you. All right. So anyway, all right. I got to drink some water here. I got a little warm. What was that noise? I just think that's a good plan, you know? No. All right. So if you're asking what do I think, I think go for it. What the fuck? Who cares? It's going to be cool. It's a cool little project. See if you can do it. Knock it out of the park. Make a fucking quick show. You are right, man. There are boobies everywhere, I would say. No. Sorry. Yeah, I told you. I'm going to cut this show short because I've got to go somewhere. I've got to go. Your pants are already off, so do you really have to go anywhere? No. No, you're right. Just put the mic on mute. Yeah, please. We don't want to hear you huffing and puffing over there and sweating into the mic. You hear that every week anyway. What difference does it make? Jesus. See, I'm being nice to you. These are some hot back laughs. Even Iron Man's showing his titties. What did you unleash on the world, Ian? Oh, I don't know. Is Spring Break, is that another one? Yeah, that one's good, too. Good Lord, what is going on? Just get some random... Tales of the Arabian Nights. What is happening here? All right, anyway, let's move past this. I'm closing this down. This is over. All right, anyway, what else do we have to talk about today, buddy? I just got a message from Neil. He had a little technical issue with his newest submission, so we're not going to get a Neil. So I'm kind of sad about that. Oh, yeah. Drunken pinball tips, yeah. A little pissed off about it. I feel bad for him. I hate that because when you record something and it comes out like crap, you know, it's no good. That's no good. We released it anyway because all of our shit sounds terrible. So, Neil, better luck next time, brother. We'll get you next week. All right. So, poor man's pinball personal news. Drew, you did yours. Anything else, bud? Well, like I said, I'm still searching. I think what I'm going to do, as much as I love the game, I need more space and I need another game. So I'm probably going to sell LaserQ, and then I'm going to get a Stern Pro or something. So I don't know why yet. I'm taking my time. I'm going to wait for TMNT and see what happens. All right. All right. I know a guy who's selling a Whitewater, so you can have this. Yeah, I saw that guy in South Milwaukee. He's asking way too much, though. At least without a topper. Yeah, if they had the topper, it would be worth at least $500 more. Yes, exactly. No, it's okay. It's our best offer. You need to talk about that for a moment. I don't need to talk about it. That story just hates me. What, the one I sent you? Yeah. Oh, I don't need to get into that. What did the guy offer you? I don't know what the guy offered. Hold on. I already deleted it. I was so mad. Hold on. He was going to redo it with a play field and stuff, which is cool. That's fine. Well, right. At the end of the day, he saw my pictures. He saw the whitewater. Actually, it's in really, really, really good condition. Drew, you can attest to that, right? Oh, it's the best one I've ever played. Mine, too. I played one in league, and I told Ian, like, his is, like, twice as good. I mean, the one in league is okay, but it's a player's condition. Ian's is really nice. I know, and the one over at Expo played like it was player's condition. It was beat up. This one's a lot nicer. But for whatever reason, the guy was like, we just couldn't come to a price because, I mean, he was super nice about it, but he was just like, oh, I'd want to rip the playfield off and put a whole new playfield in there and re-decale everything. Now, the side art's flawless. The backbox side art is wonky for sure. Well, yeah, and he said, he's like, oh, I'm going to put all new decals in there. All new decals, all through out, playfield swap, I've got to replace everything. So I'd only be able to get you, like, I think it was like $3,000 or $3,500. And I was like, ooh, now you're looking for a beater, bud. That was my response. I was like, yeah, this is not the beater you're looking for. You need to go find a beater. Steve, you're more of a – go ahead. I'll give you $3,800 cash right now for that game. See? So, Steve, you're more of a pinball expert than Ian and I could ever be. if you had a player's condition whitewater even, which this is nicer than that, that's like $4,000 all day, right? Oh, absolutely. I've seen the pictures. The only thing that you're missing is the topper. And like you said, that's like whitewaters have just skyrocketed. Sure. Which is just, you know, I'm still stuck in the 2010, 2012 price range. That being said, I keep up with what the market's doing, and you're not out of whack on what you're asking. But I'll give you one better. If one's, like, beat up, you're still going to pay $4,000 for it. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. You could say, hey, this thing doesn't work quite right. You know, these switches don't work, whatever. It's kind of beat up. You know, it's got broken plastics, which is dumb. Yeah. Yeah. His plate sales were – He paid me $4,000. Oh, no, it's really nice. Excellent. And I'm still upset about Whitewater because there was one here locally that my wife and I went and looked at, and we offered the guy, I think, $38.50 for it. This was like five, seven years ago, and he said no to us. And then a couple guys later, he's like, okay, I'll take $38.50 for it. So Whitewater, that's kind of like my... The white buffalo. Yep, yep. I'm still looking for one locally. yeah no um south milwaukee is local to colorado right i'm you know absolutely just come on over guys like we're not in the middle of anything important right now right hop on a plane just come on over we can all visit each other yeah i mean i'm i'm i just threw it out there just to see but it's been okay i mean all my responses have been super positive um one guy and this kind of goes back to our earlier conversation steve you'd like this because and drew i know I don't think I've talked to you about this, but a guy offered me, he contacted me. So let's get that out there right now. He's selling a Oktoberfest, and he contacted me for a trade. And he's like, hey, if you need half way. Was it the one that was $6,200 or $6,400? There was three guys that I was in contact with that are selling Oktoberfest, and they were all roughly the same price point. there was two in Minnesota and one I think in Illinois and I think you're talking about the one in Illinois it was not that one yep um okay but it was uh no and the guy I didn't even look at the pictures of this Oktoberfest he was like yeah it's super nice it's got low plays are you interested I was like I was like yeah he's like I need some cash on your end I was like no that's totally fine I gave him a cash offer and he was like oh okay everything sounded good to him and then like there's that weird awkward 24-hour period where you don't hear from him and you're like huh okay so then I looked at his pictures on his Oktoberfest and sure enough I could just see it it was it screamed this was his first pinball machine because it had all these different lights on it you know it had like the the undercarriage lighting the backbox light it had the light for like he made specifically for like the what the Oktoberfest topper that didn't really even kind of match it was like bright red lights coming out of an october fest it didn't make sense to me and i could just tell like that was kind of his baby he was really proud of it and i was like oh this guy probably is going to be looking for a lot more than what i offered him because you know it's your first baby you know that's the thing you know you you buy probably it was probably his first new in box he put a bunch of money into it and you know classic mistake i've done it myself and and then you know you're trying to get the most out of the value of it obviously and so i'm assuming he's got a few other guys that are that are kind of dangling cash money but i was like hey dude you came to me you know you came to me you obviously liked my game but now you're and he was really worried about it not working because it's an older game you know and i was like okay well it works great it's been working great for 30 years it still works great So, whatever. It is what it is. But I just thought it was funny. The second I looked at it, I was like, yep, this guy's relatively new to the hobby, or this might have been his first new in box. But it's too bad. It's too bad. It would have been a nice – I would have drove to Minnesota. I would have delivered it. Shit. That would have been a good – that would have been a fair trade, I think, you know, with a little bit of cash. Yeah, with some cash. And, yeah, it was a good offer. But it is what it is. It's okay. I'm okay with it. I was just like, don't contact me, people, if you're not serious. You get my hopes up. I get real sad. Do you have any personal pinball news? What are you working on? Okay. So I got that Data East Batman that I just, I'm going to clear coat some parts of it to hopefully seal in that paint so it doesn't chip off. Are you spraying or rolling? I think I'm going to do the brush technique on this because there's mylar over most of the play field except for certain sections. And so I can't do the spray and just get those isolated areas. So I'm going to probably do the brush technique and hope that works. And we'll see how it comes out. It's not going to be any worse than it currently is. So if all the paint chips off, it's what it is. So I'm going to do the brush technique and see how that turns out. We'll hope for the best. And then for Revenge from Mars, they've got new code. Apple Juice on Pinside has been working on new code for that. and he has released code that includes a shaker motor on it And so I went ahead and ordered the parts from him to get the shaker motor installed and then I went ahead and ordered a no-cable, no-modem cable from Amazon to hopefully update what I currently have. If that doesn't work, I'm going to try and convert it to a pin box or a new core. and try updating it on that and see how that goes. And then I have the Earthshaker in the garage that I need to take the mylar off and just make that look nice and then probably sell it. Flip N Out Pinball. You want a new Stern? Boom, we have you covered. You want a new Chicago Gaming Company remake? Boom, we have you covered. You want a brand new Shiny from JJP? Guess what? Boom, we have you covered again. P3 Multimorphic, we can do that too. We got mods, shaker motors, even some used pinball inventory. Flip N Out Pinball also sells the Stair Climbing Escalera Hand Truck. Email Zach at Flip N Out Pinball or call or text 812-457-9711. Zach at Flip N Out Pinball. Flip, letter N, Out Pinball. Should we do a top five? Everyone loves a top five, right? Top five, top five. If we can do top five, sure. Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. What do you want to do top five on? I want to do top five games that should get a remake treatment. You know, there's been a lot of talk this week about potential Lord of the Ring remake treatment. And, you know, it's got me thinking. Let's talk about games that we want remade. Talk about a high, high, low, low, right? That whole Lord of the Rings thing that happened this week. Oh, go ahead. No, I mean, it was first brought to us, to our attention by Kaneda. He didn't have all of the details when he went to air, which is fine. He's breaking news. That's what happened. Sure. He had details of the actual game and what was on the game and new art and new sculpts and the guy who was doing it. So those were good details. However, the one major one he got wrong was not really available. It's just one guy doing it, and he has a few machines that he's doing, and it's kind of a thing where he doesn't have a license or the license to Lord of the Rings, and he couldn't sell it. Favorite of love. Nope. Commercially. So that's kind of it. I mean, people have been talking and clamoring for this title for years, for absolutely years, and that seems to be like everyone wants that one and Tron vaulted, like, in the worst ways. So, Drew, when we're talking about this top five vault, we're not talking about, oh, we want these rare games to be re-released. We're talking about games that get the CGC treatments, possibly new artwork, if the artwork was bad, maybe reworked mechs, something that didn't work all the way, now maybe getting it to work a little bit better, LED lighting, that kind of thing. But a couple of my games are games that just need to be re-released. Does that make sense? games that you can't buy anymore. Or if they just need to be re-released. All right, Drew, why don't you start us off? Number five. All right. Number five is a game that is rumored to be re-released at some point, but nobody knows when. It was very popular. You can still find them used, but I think they need to make more of them, and that is TNA. Total Nuclear Annihilation? Yep. Okay. Perfect. Yep. So Spooky Pinball, Charlie Emery has talked about it, that when their well runs dry for a while. On this show he talked about it. Yes, he sure did. Yeah, they might, you know, they're planning on rerunning it at some point. So I think it needs to happen. I'm getting sloppy here. Good. All right, TNA, number five. Steve, what do you got? Number five. Mike is the original wide body alien pinball ok is this highway pinball no which one the highway pinball highway pinball never played it watched several videos know a couple people who have it and it sounds phenomenal and it's one that Canada has rumored to be being remade, but it's, as far as I know, not on anybody's agenda, and if it is, it's going to be changed, but I want it the way that it is. Fair enough. It seems like that game has a lot of love for the few games that are out there, but, yep. I'd say the one thing that I've heard that, the one thing it's missing are some of the call-outs like they didn't get. Sigourney Weaver or whatever. And I feel like, and then I think it was, man, was it Roger Sharp? I want to say it was Roger Sharp who talked about how, hey, man, if he wanted it, all he had to do was ask. Because I think Roger Sharp helped him, Andrew Highway, get that license originally. And it was one of those things where he was just like, I just want the alien license. I want to use the alien creature. That's all I really need. And if he would have asked for, and Roger Sharp for, hey, Maybe get some Sigourney Weaver call-outs or, you know, rights to use it in some movie clips. That's the only thing I'd probably add. Just add a little bit more of that dialogue. But, yeah, dude, I've heard nothing but good things, and people who have that game love that fucking game. I mean, there's a reason why they don't come up for sale very often. Well, and I agree with you. Like, Roger Sharp should have been brought in. Roger Sharp is a fan of pinball, and he has done nothing but beneficial things for the community. And he, I absolutely agree. Like, had Roger Sharp been talked to about doing something, that would have been the thing. he was brought into Dutch Pinball as we all heard by Kaneda that they should have done something more with the alien with Sigourney Weaver in the alien and I think Roger Sharp was right they should have asked for more yeah exactly but no that's good number five man that's a hell of a number five my number five I'm just going to go Game of Thrones re-release I just want like I have this dream of Franchi, my man crush Franchi. Chris, I love you. That's a good one. Just doing custom art packages. I know he's not going to work for Stern anytime soon. I get it. I get it. This is in my dream scenario. Franchi's still cool with Stern. He's got a Game of Thrones artwork, art package lined up ready to rock and roll. And I already love the pro to death. you could probably use some shit to maybe kind of work on that upper play field in the premium in le but if we're just re-releasing it i just need that art to pop a little bit better none of that clip art stuff so i'm going game of thrones number five cool good choice man good uh my number four is a beloved game it's in the top five of the pinstripe top 100 and chicago gaming company may remake it, but probably not. Twilight Zone. I think it's just one of those games. What's that? What would you like different on it? Well, not different, just the CGC treatment. Okay. Alright. So, a topper? Yeah. Light show? Give it a topper and a light show, and you know, in theory, once again, in Ian's dream world, we're buying this game for less than we can purchase it for now. That's true. You can get a Twilight Zone for six grand. That'd be amazing. That's medieval madness because medieval madness, they were creeping up to almost $10,000 for a while. All those remakes. All those remakes. They were ridiculous. Yeah. And then the remakes come around, and now you can get them for at least a semi-reasonable price. Listen, there's a reason why Steve qualified his Monster Bash being home use only original. There's a reason for that, because he wants to let you know that this fucker isn't playing around anymore. He ain't doing a remake. He's got the OG. There's a reason. People love that OG. I'm sure he was heartbroken when they released that special edition on CGC, the remake. The funny thing is that I had a special edition, and I sold it because my homies only play so well. See, I need to play a few more. I've played a few out in the wild, like originals, like Monster Bash and Medieval Madness. But I don't know. To me, the remakes play just fine, but maybe I need to play some more originals. See, you should play my wife because she played, like, Homie So Many R's, and then she went and played the special edition, and she said, R's is better. Hmm, interesting. Yeah, I'd say, Drew, I mean, I know we've played a lot of, let's say, Attack from Mars over at City Lounge, that bar, right? That's the original. And I find that to be a lot better than the Attack from Mars remake that's over at our one-up, or no, up-down, sorry, up-down. The one at Up Down, it plays different I think the one over at City Lounge plays better No, that's a remake, isn't it? That's an original That's an original Williams Okay Yep, that's an original Williams And then the one at Up Down is The one at Up Down is definitely a remake A remake And I think the one at City Lounge is a lot better It's just, it's solid, it's heavy It feels good But I will say at Expo, I played the Monster Bash at Expo, and that was an original. That was nowhere near as good as my Monster Bash when I had the SC here. It was just nowhere near as good. I think it's like anything else. If, you know, any other game, if it's set up properly, it's probably okay. Medieval Madness is another one, though. I mean, the original over at Blackbird is really, really, really good. It is good. It is good. I couldn't tell you the difference between that one, though, and the remake because I played a few of the remakes, and the remakes are okay. They're actually really good. I think the jury says I would take either one. I think Steve would agree. I would agree, yeah. I think Steve would also agree that the old Williams games, they have about, it's like a 50-pound difference. There's a little bit of half to it. It feels like quality in your hands. Like when you play a Stern Pro after playing a Williams, you feel like the strongest man in the world. No. You could move a Stern Pro across the room by nudging it just as much as you need to nudge a Williams, you know. I love moving, like, Sterns down my basement versus Williams. Right. Williams games are so much heavier than Sterns. Mm-hmm. Way, way heavier. Yep. I totally agree with that. Much heavier. All right. Iron Maiden. I felt like Iron Maiden was my first new in-box game, and I was like, is this a toy? And it was like on skates. I mean, I was just like sliding this thing back and forth. It was pretty crazy. Drew hasn't put a tilt bob in one of his games in like four years. Hey, that's much. I have a tilt bob in every game right now. You know, I thought about this the other day. I have a tilt bob in every game except Jurassic Park right now. I always had a tilt-bob in my games until I had Monster Bash. I was like, I'm not going to put the tilt-bob in there. I'm going to just kind of practice my nudging. And then the second Drew came over to play it and nudged the shit out of it, I was like, oh, my baby, no. I need to get a tilt-bob in there because, Drew, you're rough on my lady there. All you need to do is have a competitive pinball player come over to your house like Trent Augustine and move your machine three inches to the left didn't... Okay. Yeah. Yeah, those tournament players, they know what they're doing, that's for sure. God bless them. Alright, where am I at? What are we at? We at four? Drew? Yeah, I did Twilight Zone. Okay, you're at number four. Alright, Steve, number four. I'm going to go Congo. Ooh, my choice. It's one of those games that, until you play it, I love Congo because there's so many different routes that you can go. You can play it. To me, it's like a current day Metallica. It's choose your own adventure. You can just shoot the left ramp all day and then collect the ramp, the map. And it's a phenomenal game. So for me, it's Congo. Wait, wait, you got me intrigued now because it's on your list. What game, if you could only have one in your house, what would you have, Metallica or Congo? Oh, man. I know my answer. You're Congo, right, Ian? Well, we played Congo the first time at MGC last year and I, between that and Baywatch, I was like, these are really fucking good games. I've been looking at Congos actually recently, so they've gotten way expensive, though. Oh, they're ridiculous. When I bought them, they were... Like a year, literally a year ago, they were like in the threes, and now they're in the fours. Yeah, no, they've gotten ridiculous expensive. I would probably go with Metallica out of the Congo and Metallica. Okay, okay. And it's Lyman F. Sheats Jr.. Like, out of those two codes, it's just Lyman F. Sheats Jr.. Like, he just, and who knows, in a year, he could release a new code update for Metallica. Yeah, everyone knows this. Metallica is the one game I'm going to buy again. Like I said, every other game I've ever gotten rid of, I'm like, yeah, whatever. It's gone. I don't really care. That's the one. But I have been looking at Congos, and now I won't pull the trigger because, yeah, they're too expensive for what they are, in my opinion. No, I absolutely agree. I think I'm going to spend $2,900 for mine, and I love it, and it's one of the last ones to go. Okay. So if I can find one for a good price, it's probably okay, but you wouldn't pay $4,000 for one? I would have a hard time paying $4,000 for one. Okay. No, and that's where I am with it because, like I said, as much as I think it's a good game, that's where I am. Okay. Ian, where are you at for number four? Oh, no, you already did number four? No, I didn't do number four. I'm number four. Where are you at? Jurassic Park Stern. Oh. What? What the hell are you, asshole? Get out of here. I need them to redo the art package for me to be interested. So redo that art package, Stern. You're a big fan from our podcast. Yeah, Stern, get your head out of your ass. What is that with that art package? Get somebody out there that knows what they're doing with the art and get that art thing looking great. Could be an awesome game. That's me. Jurassic Park's Stern, number four. All right, what else we got? Number three, Drew. Another stern. A stern that needs a treatment. We've talked about it before. Ghostbusters. You know. Redo it. Fix the flipper gap. It's a cool treatment, right? Yeah. Well, you know, Dwight finally finished it, like you said, after four years. But here we are. And, yeah, Ghostbusters needs, you know, fix the flipper gap. I think it's a good game. I really do. So you said you had it for two years, right, Steve? Yeah. It was about a year. The pro, it was fun. The kids liked it. It didn't last. It wasn't anything to do with the code. I would agree it was the art package. Hmm. Okay. You didn't like the art? The Zombie Yeti art? That thing is beautiful. Undressed Park? No. Oh, I'm sorry. We're talking. We're talking on Ghostbusters. Oh, Ghostbusters. Yes. The art was brilliant. Yes. Brilliant. I'm sorry. Yeah, no. The art was brilliant. Nobody dislikes the art. It was the code. Like, I've met Dwight. He's a nice guy, but he's... He didn't finish it. It wasn't up to par. No. No, he needed help. He needed help. All right. All right, Steve, number four. Or three, number three, Steve. Number three for me is Lord of the Rings. Okay. I owned it. It's a great game. It's deep. It's fun. It brings you into the movies. I can't wait till my kids can actually watch the movies and they will probably want Lord of the Rings after they watch the movies that's a good choice it's a safe choice Lord of the Rings is fantastic and I love that idea of re-releasing it I didn't put it on my list only because I think it's going to happen, I think everyone knows it should happen, it should I don't know if it's going to happen guys yeah I don't know I will say this though do you have inside knowledge it's on the wrong system if it does happen it will end up being it will end up being an LCD screen which will be phenomenal I agree you know and I just heard that and I agreed with some other podcasts where they were talking because White Star is a system from you know the early 2000's where that's just, they're not, yeah, they're not, they can do stuff on Sam's system, but they won't do it on the White Star. Yeah. Well, and, like, that was that time frame where I was kind of getting more interested in pinball, and it was, I walked into Game Exchange, and I think that they had Lord of the Rings for $4,200. and it was a special edition and it was still like... I'll give you $4,300 for that one right now. Yeah, right. Absolutely, absolutely. Like Dick Beard and all. Yes, sir. You had me at Dick Beard. Oh, man. Have you guys seen that? look up special edition Lord of the Rings and all you're going to see is a dick beard you know Steve this is a family show sorry and I'm googling dick beard as we speak Lord of the Rings pinball special edition dick beard alright kids when my wife gets a hold of my search bar here whoo She won't be surprised? No, she looks at my dick beard every night. Oh, my God. You fucking wish, dude. No. Something actually shows up. Images for special edition Lord of the Rings dick beard. All right, I got to get rid of dick beard. No, I put that in the Google search bar, and something showed up. How weird is that? Is it on the back glass, Steve? What am I looking for? Oh, yeah. No, look on the back glass. Wait, wait, wait. You know, sorry, what the third thing is, it's not pinball. It's Etsy. It says penis with beard, Etsy. Oh, that's what you got going on. No, I was just, ah, that's what you got going on. Etsy's dick beards. I don't, one of the rings, homies only. It's nothing coming up. I'm going to have to look into that, Steve. But, yeah, dick beards. You had me at dick beards. I see it. You got it? Do you see through it? It's not just me. Yeah. So, Ian, type in. I'm glad this episode got off the rails because it makes me feel better because I didn't get it off the rails this time. Thanks, Steve. What do we got? What am I typing in? Special edition Lord of the Rings Dick Beard. Then it'll just say pin side. it'll say L-O-T-R-L-E versus L-O-T-R. Click that. Okay. And then scroll down about halfway on the first page. You'll see a picture of the back glass. And it says, ha, ha, ha, I goofed that one up, pecker beard. And there's a dick hanging out his beard. True story. Steve, you saved the day with this beard. Woo-hoo. Well, that is saved. All right. That's going on our podcast Facebook page. Perfect. All right, Steve Dickbeard. Okay. So where are we? Where are we? What am I doing? Number three? Ian, is it your turn? Yeah, number three. It's already been vaulted. I want another vault on this. And I just feel like they can do it this time. I feel like they can reach into their freaking pants pockets and pull it out, and it'll be glorious. But I want them to vault Spider-Man again. I want them to do the comic book art from the Data East game. I want them to get rid of the whole, everything that ties into that damn movie, and I want it to be more comic book-y. I want it to be a comic book edition. Except for the call-outs. Yeah, can I get comic book-y nerd for one second here? Go for it, Drew. The Vault Edition, the art on there is from something called Ultimate Spider-Man. Yeah, I want retro. Yeah, what Ultimate Spider-Man is, for you guys who don't know, in the 2000s they rebooted the comic book and made a separate. They were still doing Amazing Spider-Man. and they're still doing that to this day, but they made a separate offshoot called Ultimate Spider-Man. It was a different style of art. He was a teenager again. The art's cool, but I agree with Ian because, you know, I grew up collecting comic books, and I liked the stuff from the 60s and 70s, so if they could do that on a Spider-Man, it would be take my money now. Like the Star Wars comic book edition. Something like that. Would you guys be okay if I bought a Spider-Man? Yeah. As is, no? Okay. Which edition? I'm debating. Like I said, I like the Ultimate Spider-Man. It is a cool art, the Vault Edition. Go ahead. Tell me, Steve. Steve says, fuck off. You're an idiot. Don't spend your money on that. No, Vault Edition, the artwork on the Vault Edition is way better. Agreed. Than the movie art. Absolutely. Absolutely. What I would recommend doing is buying the movie edition and then buying the plastics and changing it. Oh. Because... It's cheaper that way, too. Well, it's cheaper that way, and then you get the good call-out of Jameson. Oh, my God. I'm buying Spider-Man. Everyone heard it here. Thanks, Steve. Steve's on a whole other level. Thanks, Steve. This is awesome. Dropping little eggs of knowledge for all of us idiots out there. Go ahead. I had Spider-Man for a while, and it was here for a long time. Kids loved it. the thing that drove me nuts was they haven't seen the movie I have, it's terrible but if you buy the if you buy the plastics for the vault edition you've got the best of both worlds, you've got the call outs from the original Spider-Man pinball machine but then you have the comic book plastics which are so much better than Tobey McGuire. And those don't Slash with the playfield? Not too much because on the playfield, mostly all you have is a Spider-Man in the middle of the main playfield. God damn it. You're spending $5,000 of my money right now, Steve. He just saved you three, though. Ah, true story. And Spider-Man is the 19th ranked game on the Pinside Top 100. Shit, that far up, huh? And it comes down to, if you look at the call-outs of the original versus the vault edition, the original is so much better because you have Jameson in there telling you that you suck. Well, Jameson is right. I do suck. How does Jameson know so much about me? He's always right. How does he know? Like, is there a webcam in my basement? He knows everything about the true identity of Spider-Man. Wait, wait, Steve. Were you talking about Spider-Man and you said webcam? Ooh, good pun. Love it. Oh, shit. All right. Let's go number two, Drew. All right, number two. I think this game needs to be remade. It's an awesome game. It's an awesome theme. Indiana Jones, the good one. Ian would buy that on day one. I know he would. I'd figure out a way. What? I'd figure out a way for sure. I know you would. Because it's, you know, I was never, I just watched the Indiana Jones films. Ian made me watch them like, what, a couple years ago? Do you still have my DVDs? I think so. Okay. It's been a while. A few years. It was just one of those things. I never watched them growing up. And I watched them and I was like, yeah, this is really fucking cool. You have a sad childhood. That's what I said, dude. That's what I said. Hey, hey, I grew up with a lot of priests, okay? Leave me alone. You know what? My grandfather was a priest, and, like, I'm good. Okay. Well, he wasn't my priest. So, anyways, Indiana Jones, yeah, I think. Anyways, yeah, the movies are great. The theme's fantastic. The game is awesome. You know, there's nothing. That game is almost perfect when you talk about theme integration, call-outs, just pure pinball fun, mechs. You know, everything's there, right? Yeah, I always, you know how I can tell when a wide body is a really good game is when it doesn't feel like a wide body? Like Indiana Jones doesn't feel like that. Neither does Pirates, JJP. I forgot that that game was a wide body. Yeah, Pirates, JJP. I don't consider that a wide body, even though it is, and also Twilight Zone. Those are three games right there that they don't play like that because they're fast, fun games, and they're good games, and they're great games to play. Yeah, so that goes to show you, because for me as a pinball fanatic, Twilight Zone and Indiana Jones, like you said, the themes are okay. They're fine, but I really dig them as games because of what they are for the pinball world. It's awesome. so yeah there you go number two what do you got steve i have pirates of the caribbean jjp wow oh just yeah definitely they need to release that i been fortunate to have one in my basement since for about a year and a half i trade you for a Simpsons pinball party Straight up Straight up Oh man that is a tempting deal I have the Treehouse mod. Okay, go ahead. No, it's a phenomenal game, and that is a JGP that needs to be reproduced and put out into everybody's hands. and I don't like Kaneda, but he is dead on with JVP. I was going to ask you how you felt about his last few episodes about some of the reasoning why it's not being released, and it makes sense to me. I can't check his facts or his sources, but what he said the last couple episodes, I was like, no, that all computes now that he says it, you know, with Lawler. I don't listen to Kaneda because I think, for the most part, he's full of crap. Because we're a family episode, right? Yeah. Sure, dude. Kaneda is the newest sponsor of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Kaneda? All sponsored by Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. Kenia's phenomenal he's fantastic bye bye bye whatever he says is bye bye bye no like him and another guy that I know that we talk all the time and he's one of my inside sources he is dead on absolutely dead on and JJP should reproduce Pirates of the Caribbean, and they could easily ask 10-5 for it, and they would get it. I think $9,995 is like, no, seriously, that would be the price point. You know, it'd make it very attractive for everybody. Well, Keith P. Johnson is a phenomenal pinball coder. Absolutely phenomenal. Like, all the games that he's coded have been fantastic. And if you notice in my collection, I have a Hobbit, the Pirates of the Caribbean, and the Wizard of Oz. and the games that I have not got at the current moment is Doudan and Willy Wonka. And I can tell you Keith P. Johnson is not part of either one of those coaches. Sure, sure. Now, for all those games you mentioned, would you pay $9,995 for them? No. Okay. Well, for Wizard of Oz, yes. For Pirates of the Caribbean, yes. For The Hobbit, no. No, and that's fair. Probably not because of where it's priced. Like, realistically, it's pricing. No, Hobbit is the game that's more like a Stern premium. And, yeah, all the other games. You're right, those other two. You could feasibly charge more just because there's so much in them. So I agree. There's a lot in them. And The Hobbit, what it actually took was Eric playing and going through the rules of Hobbit for me to actually love The Hobbit. I wouldn't have done it had Eric at one of the shows, he went through the game completely and showed me what to do. The Hobbit, he showed me on The Hobbit. Hobbit is fun I had it at my house for a while and I really dug it Pirates of the Caribbean is just a great game good choice I've had it dialed in and Pat Lawler I don't agree with his shots 100% really? I'm a Pat Lawler fan but I get it I have an M family and I had a Twilight Zone and I shot it out, got playing 100%, played perfect, and I couldn't wait to get rid of it. And it's because Williams said, hey, Pat, you have the number one game. Go ahead and let this go. Like, we'll let you have whatever you want. And that's when the Twilight Zone came out. And I don't agree with a lot of players who think the Twilight Zone is a top-line game. I don't. Conflicting Twilight Zone thoughts. Ian, you're up for number two, I think. All right, number two, I have... This is going to be a little out of left field. I think you guys are going to like this one, though. I'm ready. Zach Menny, if you're listening, I know you're going to love this one. The Shadow. Zach, you're always listening. The Shadow. The Shadow. I almost view it as that alternate translate, make it the rest of the artwork, but just give it that nice CGC polish, you know, little RGB lighting, re-release it to the public. I think it would be a beautiful game to play and fun game to play, and it's one of those games that's coded well. It's got a lot of fun stuff to do on it. It's funny that games from the 90s could come from shitty movies and be really good, but games from now, they won't come from shitty movies. Does that make sense? That's true, and I feel like that was because Williams was ahead of the movie release schedule. Did you remember that? How was the interview from head to head? God, I wish I... Yeah. I'm sorry, pinball people, pinball podcasts, whoever did the interview, but they were talking about The Shadow and how they, what was it, George Gomez at the time or whatever. I don't even remember. No, that was Johnny Mnemonic. Oh, they were talking about Johnny Mnemonic. Yeah, Johnny Mnemonic, you're right. And he was like, can we change the theme? Yeah, he came out of the theater and he's like, what is this shit? You know what? No, I think Special When Lit, they talked to Brian. Steve, help me out here. Brian Eddy. He told me Brian Eddy, they had that interview, and they talked about The Shadow, and it was the same kind of deal. It could have been because The Shadow wasn't a well-received movie either. Right, but they released the pinball the same time the movie was released. You've got to go back to Special When Lit's interview with Brian Eddy. no with Brian Eddy that was one of their best interviews they did but yeah that was one of my favorites but yeah he was kind of giving the movie shit and he was like I just had to just go with it and you know but you know luckily the playfield art doesn't really represent the movie it's more of a comic book but the back glass definitely has out ball where you can get the alternate back glass but I would just like to see more of them in the wild because they don't come up for sale as much anywhere around us. I've played one once, and that was before I was really into pinball, and I didn't know what it was. So essentially I've never really played a shadow. I have no idea what it's all about. The shadow is one that I've owned, and I regret selling because at the time we had a seven pinball limit at the time because otherwise it interfered with pinball. or with pool table. And that is one that I wish that I would have held on to for a little while longer. The co-ops in that are hilarious. God damn it. Now I'm looking at a Shadow. I'm looking at a Congo. I'm looking at a Spider-Man. You know what, Steve? I think he loves you. I'm really glad you came on the show, but as lovingly as I can, go after yourself. I love you, man. I mean, Jesus. Can you hold for one moment and I'll go do that? I'll be right back. It won't take long. We got 20 seconds, bro. That's okay. Take 32 seconds. Ready, go. All right. That's my number two. What's next? Drew, number one? Number one. So we just talked about it, so I'm not going to spend too much time, but Steve mentioned it last, Pirates of the Caribbean. I mean, I was going to do Lord of the Rings, but as Ian stated, they're going to remake that. It was too obvious. And Tron, as you guys know, I don't really care for, so sorry, Steve. But Pirates of the Caribbean, they need to rerun it. They just do. I mean, they could sell it. It's a great game. It's loved by everybody. So what are you waiting for, JJP? Yeah, true fucking story. True story. You know? I mean, it needs to be redone. and it's a valiant by the way I don't understand the business decision behind it because once again you don't have to sell it for $75,000 or $8,500 you could sell it for $10,000 and get it all day long it's Pat Waller yeah more controversy? I don't agree with Kenia very often that's the second time you said that this episode maybe you agree with him all the time no I've listened to his series probably three times in my life and I do not agree with him I've seen him at festivals and I don't agree with him but I 100% agree with him about Pat Waller and about Eric and like it's the fact that Pirates was doing better than any game that that Pat Waller has ever done. It's there. It's real. You think that was the reason they pulled it? I think that's part of it. I do think that they were selling it for too cheap. I think that J.J.P. is... Pirates of the Caribbean is probably a 10 to 10.5 game to make it economical. Yeah. Yeah, because obviously that game has at least $1,000 more in it than your average game. Oh, than Dialed In or than Willy Wonka. And when it comes to Willy Wonka, I want Willy Wonka to work as a pinball machine. I think everybody does. It's a great theme. That theme was very well received by everybody. Yeah. Yeah, I watched the movie. It was like, yeah, it's okay. But, yeah, you're like, yeah, this is cool. I mean, it's a cool theme, and it kind of transcends all generations. I grew up on a lot of those movies, and Wizard of Oz and Willy Wonka are two of those things that I grew up with. When it comes to Pirates of the Caribbean, honestly, I think I watched the first two, maybe three movies. I don't care about. But the pinball machine is phenomenal. But you care about the serial killer killing kids in his candy factory? Oh, absolutely. Sorry, Gene Wilder. No, I don't know if you've watched the people who, over the last two weeks, have spent killing all the Willy Wonka characters. But I actually care more about the Willy Wonka characters Than the Pirates of the Caribbean But I would rather have A Pirates of the Caribbean in my house Than a Willy Wonka Yeah I'm a horse apiece I could actually do with either one I dig them both but yeah I see your point What's your number one sir? My number one Is It's Tron with an LCD screen Get out of here Oh, that's good. That is good, though. You know, there's a guy in Texas who has done an LCD screen for some of it, but he just needs to finish it off and do it all. And I've got the parts for it. That's what I tell my wife. Sorry, honey, you've got to finish it off. That's what she's telling you, right? Finish it. Just finish it. She's like, I'm done. Just go away. I'll finish it myself. We're fine. Some guy in Texas will finish me off. Go ahead. Sorry. There's a guy in Texas who is doing an LCD who it's almost done. It's just not quite. And if Stern would release it with an LCD screen, it would be done. You heard it here first, folks. Stern is going to release an LCD screen version of Tron. They should. They should. They should. They should. They should. It's a good number one, Steve. It is. It is. What's your number one, Ian? It should have been that one. Mine isn't as good as his. All right. So my number one, you know what? I did this because of our fellow tribe member, Tim Lee, and his excitement for the rumor. And I just think it makes sense to me. And it would actually squash Kaneda also and make Kaneda happy. But vaulting Transformers to a Generation 1 art package call-outs, you can keep the game. Keep the game the same. The game's great. But ditch the movies. Go back Generation 1, Transformers, that art style, those call-outs. maybe a little bit different code but I would like kind of a whole kind of revamped Transformers yeah I played that game a little bit and you're right it left me kind of wanting more so yeah I could see that it needs to hit the nostalgia buttons for me yeah and the new movies don't do it for me so yeah that's a good choice not to mention the new movies are so over marketed that it almost drowns out with all the noise. Transformers is like, fuck, you can buy a Bumblebee Camaro. You know what I'm saying? It's way over-marketed. That movie is unwatchable. Those new ones? I've only saw the first two, maybe? They are not watchable. The first one's not bad, but it turned to the dark side. It was just a product placement nightmare. But yeah, if you can capture the soul of the original source material, I think it would be kind of fun. It would be fun. It would be a fun callback. You could make some money on it. And guys at Kaneda can have their dream machine. Tim Lee, of course, you would get your dream machine. I'm going Transformers. But I should have said Tron. You should have. Transformers. Great game. Not quite Tron. Not quite. Nope. It's trans, not trans. Okay. That's my number one. Are we done? Yeah. We're done. That was it, man. Hey, top five. Woo! Another top five in the books, guys. Hope you enjoyed it. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Four-man spinball tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Four-man spinball tribe. Wait, no! Yeah! How do you become a tribe member? Well, you have to... Yes, the five pillars. The five pillars of excellence, right? Number one. Number one. Like us on Facebook. That's it. Four-man spinball podcast. Go there. Hit the like button. Boom. You're done, right? Easy pillar. Number two. communicate with us regularly. You know, send us emails. Send us messages on Facebook. You know, poormanspinball at gmail.com. You know, whatever you want to do. That's cool. Number three, help us grow our brand. Tell your mom. Tell your best friend. Tell people that you hate. I don't care. Tell everyone. Tell everyone that poormanspinball is awesome. Right? That's three. Number four. Steve told his wife. Steve told his wife that was enough for us. We're like, you're in. He did tell his wife. And Tim told his wife, Amy or Ann. Ann or Ann. Amy, but we're going to call her Ann now. No, I know. That's the joke. So before we get to this, Steve, you are a tribe member. You're tribe member number 16. Yep. Becoming a tribe member, what has that done for you and your sex life? Tell our listeners. Oh, it's been phenomenal. Nice. Ian here editing and this is when Steve goes bye bye. Steve, goodnight sweet prince. But this is audio evidence of Steve being way gone, way fucked up. So enjoy. She just brought me a moon cookie. So you're doing this. You're drunk as shit, which I love. And she brings you a moon cookie. Oh, what? See, if he wasn't a tribe member, she would have said, F you, get your own moon cookie. Because he's a tribe member, she says, hey, honey, here's a moon cookie, and I'll go down on your moon cookie later. So, you know, becoming a tribe member, it's life-changing, truly. I think it's caramel. A caramel moon cookie. This is podcast gold, okay? Steve just got a caramel moon cookie from his wife, and later she's going down on his moon cookie. Okay? That's what a coming back number does for you. We're talking about changing his life. He's like, I think it's caramel. It's not vanilla. This is my life, man. I feel partially responsible for this mayhem. All right. So I am really excited about today's tribe member. Tribe member number, what are we on, 25 or 26? We are on lucky number, quarter of a century, tribe member number 25. Drum roll? You ready? Yes, I know you're rolling. This guy, he's known in the pinball community. Not yet? Not yet. Okay. He's known in the pinball community. He's actually been on the other podcast. You know, he's been a correspondent. He does all kinds of cool stuff. He lives in the land down under, over in Melbourne. Ready? None other than... Dr. John. Dr. John! You have officially made the tribe. I am so excited about this game. Not that I'm not excited about the rest, but you know what, John? You frickin' deserve this. You know what? I'm going to say it. You fuckin' deserve this. Way to go, John. And, John, we're so happy to have you as a tribe member. You listen all the time. You send us emails. You told me as a doctor that binge drinking isn't good, but you encouraged me and Ian to do it. I think it's fantastic. I think he just wants the madness to end. And now you're encouraging Steve and the rest of our tribe members to do it as well, and that's freaking awesome. So, John Cosson, Dr. John, welcome to the tribe, brother. We love you, John. Thank you. Give him a big round of applause. We are going to send you an invite to the official Four Man's Pinball Tribe Facebook page. Steve can tell you how frickin' awesome it is. Right, Steve? It's awesome. And I have family in Australia. Steve is going to send you a moon cookie, Dr. John. Yeah. I'll send you a moon cookie. It's a moon pie. Just to be accurate. Moon pie. And it won't be banana because that flavor sucks. No bananas for Dr. John. Only the caramel type. All right. That's what you have is caramel. Vanilla is better, but caramel will do. Oh, shit. All right. I'm dying over here. Okay. John Cosson, welcome again. Hey, John. We'll reach out to you when we're a little more sober. This has been a great episode. Do we have any mailbag today? John, you got to freaking friend request me, brother. I already requested you. You got to just accept, and then we'll get you in that secret group. As far as mailbag, of course we got mailbag. We always have mail. Fuck mail. We are popular in our own minds. We are better or more drunk than we do. Hey, Tweston at, it doesn't matter. hey twist and uh he goes hey guys well the last time i tried treating my lungs with bleach is something no one has ever said stay safe keep up the joy oh that's uh that's tom tom yeah we love tom tom's always messaging us way to go tom thanks tom t t money is what i like to call him oh yeah t money i don't know hey dr john just emailed us he said uh batman 66 without a out great shooter deep rules you can play it so many different ways major villains minor villains seasons don't be put off by the deep rules you get to know it as you play it god bless that one up yeah i asked everyone because i wanted to get us so so dr john i'm not i'm not a rich doctor like you because i said hey i'm looking at a stern pro and what does he come at me with so our new tribe member says, yeah, get a Batman 66. That's not a pro, dude. But I'm still considering it. Well, I was taking that email as, you know, our stern bracket challenge, too. No, that was specifically because I asked what game I should get next. But, you know... Pretty much as close as a pro as you can get with Batman 66. I'm sure that's what he was going for. I just had to give him some shit. So, Dr. John, it actually is on the short list because it is one I'm considering. But I don't know yet. We'll see. But thanks. And welcome again. Chris Chandler, buddy, we got your email. He said, you know, dude, we TSPP, the Simpsons Pinball Party, owners, have to stick together. He's like channeling your parents right now. I'm so disappointing in you. He doesn't think you should have picked Jurassic Park as the best of all time, but the Simpsons Pinball Party as the best of all time. Chris Chandler, Drew is a son of a bitch. Just remember that. I might be biased, but right now I've played Simpsons Pinball Party about twice this month, and I've played Jurassic Park about 300 times. Yes, but you've played Simpsons way more. Do the math. You've played it way more. Yeah, I've probably put about 500 games on Simpsons and 300 games on Jurassic Park. So suck on that, Drew Bolvera. All right, Chris, thank you very much, man. Thanks, Chris. All right, and then Michael Williams. David, I'm thirsty. I'm sitting here talking to the podcast as I listen, and you guys really need to give Ripley's a try, and you will fall asleep as you play it. I am bored with the machine after the first ball. I'm sure I'll send more later as I listen, swearing at my Twilight Zone mic. Michael, damn it, I'm thirsty Williams. So he didn't like that we were talking up. Yeah, Ripley's. Ripley's. Michael Williams. Steve, what are you? I'm a little disappointed because I think Ripley's is a good game. Steve, what do you think about Ripley's, man? Steve, are you still with us? I'm sorry, Mike. Steve, you okay? Yeah, can you hear me? I can hear you, buddy. How do you feel about Ripley? It's a repeat of Adam's family. Oh, hot take. I think so. Hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. I agree with him. Wow. I don't think that's what he was saying, but you think it's a snore fest, though? You're not a big fan of Ripley's? No. I would take an Adam's family over Ripley's any day of the week. I don't know. I just think Ripley's is a solid game. And, you know, to each their own. But, yeah, I stand by my statement. And my statement is over the airwaves, so it must be good. Solid. I think we're conflicted. Okay, what do we got next? Oh, Jesus. All right. All right. You know what? We got a love letter from Michael Rauch. We're going to try that during the love letter section. So, Michael, we got it, brother. We love it. Thank you very much. We're going to do that on our love letter section. That's what, next week or the week after? And Pete Quint saying he wants to do a threesome as well. There's guys that want to get back on the show and want to do threesomes with us. It's fine. We can do threesomes, man. Pete, you're no longer welcome after the last time. You know what you did. What did he do last time? I'm just messing with him. He gave us a gift last time. I'm looking at his photo right now. Pete, your photo is up in the poor man's studio, and I'm staring at you with beautiful eyes, man. Martin's awesome. Steve's awesome. Man, all of our tribe members are awesome. We do all right selecting them, that's for sure. So do you guys want to be tribe members? Once again, like us on Facebook. Tell your mother about us. Tell your father about us. What else do they got to do? Oh, email us. You know, send us some correspondence. We love it. Yeah. And Pillars 4 and 5 is top secret, guys. I'm sorry, but that's between Drew and I and some of the tribe members. But we love you. We love you. Thank you very much. Let's wrap it up, Drew. Let's get it done. Let's wrap it up. I've got to get going. My wife's getting a little ornery. Because she's horny for Drew and his pinball. So, let's do this for Drew's sake. Guys, thank you so much for listening. um poor man's pinball podcast like this on facebook please emails poor man's pinball at gmail.com please please please take a look at our store over at silver ball swag i feel like will over there is is sad that we're not selling enough so let's let's sell some stuff for will not for us for will he's the guy that runs silver ball swag um do it for well thank you so much for being on the show today. Steve, you were great, man. You were fantastic. You're a little comatose now, though. I feel like you've reached the point of no return. No, I am here, and I will return. You fucking better return, dude. Steve, you sound like me. I love it. I am so happy that you joined us on this wonderful podcast, Steve. And, you know, I feel good when somebody says, I don't listen to Kaneda, but he's here on the Poor Man Spinball Podcast. So, Steve, thank you so much for spending a little bit of your time hanging out with us idiots and buttholes, right? Yep. Thanks, guys. Thanks, everyone, for listening, and we'll see you next week. Later. Later. Hey, just so you know, the opinions expressed on this show do not necessarily reflect that of the show's sponsors. Just think about that. Think about it.