Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I see you also went to film school, George. When in doubt, fix it in post. When in doubt, fix it in post. Everybody, good evening. My name is George. This show is Don't Panic Flip, and we have guests on this evening. We have Dice, a.k.a. I Only Seek Eurydice, and Joe Hills. Gentlemen, how are you doing? Doing swimmingly, George. How are you on this fine Tuesday evening? Really well. Joe, how you doing? I'm outstanding, like the farmers in their fields. Well, get back in your house and quit standing outside. It is actually really cold out in Tennessee. Thank you for that advice. I'm going to scamper back in real quick. It's actually a little unseasonably warm where I'm at right now. It's going to be 50 tomorrow, and right now it's 37. Sorry, 57? It'll be 50 tomorrow. It's currently 37 right now, which is still unseasonably warm for a Midwest November. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's really – and same thing in Colorado. The governor just posted on Facebook this morning that this is the first time in a very long time that we've had no snow in or around Denver and nothing on the docket for any snow. No significant snow. I feel actually like I'm saying that incorrectly. Anyway, there is less snow than I expected in Denver. And it was 64 today, I think, was the high. And it's supposed to be 50s and 60s all this week. Oh, wow. Yeah. Sounds like it's time for me to come visit for the Don't Panic Flip mystery. The Don't Panic Flip mystery? What's that? I'm curious. Miss stream. Miss stream. Miss, miss, mister, misterine? Miss, miss stream. I like that. I want to do something with that. On that note. I'll sell it to you, George. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah. I like that. It's the mystery. We all know I've already copyrighted the name Don't Panic. I feel like the Flipmas might have gone over your head. It was Don't Panic Flipmas stream. Oh, no, I didn't hear that. Like, this is a late December visit to George Don't Panic. I assumed it was the way I spoke it, because as mentioned in our Discord chat prior to this, don't have all of my vocals team back yet. I went to the Mosh Sugar over the weekend and lost my voice several times over. Now, I feel like I've heard the name Meshuggah, but I don't know the style of music. Is that like a heavy metal band? Very aggressive Swedish heavy metal. Okay, Swedish heavy metal on top of that. Also featuring my favorite drummer of all time. Who's your favorite drummer of all time? I need to Google this again, because every time I try to pronounce his name, I butcher it. Okay. It's just going to be Mads Mikkelsen or something. Right. Isn't that what everybody's named? Apparently, Mickelton, Mads, Lars. I'm just going to go with how it looks to me right now. Thomas Hockey. Hockey. Okay. Thomas. Huge fan of basketball, apparently. H-A-A-K-E. Okay. Here's the such thing as too much hockey. I also enjoy a good game of hockey. I want to come back to that, actually, because I have some weird thoughts on hockey. But catching up, AJ F. Clark, welcome to the stream. Man, no, no, no, AJ, you've got a sound. It will always be there. You just couldn't hear it because it was muted while the music was playing. But if you were to have waited to say something until the stream actually started, I think you have that escalated quickly as your call-out. At least I heard that. Stalker, Outlaw Pinball Gang, and Dr. Curly Tech, welcome. Outlaw Pinball Gang, thank you so much. And same with Dr. Curly's deck. That was awesome. GR Bond, welcome as well. And Stalker wants... Stalker, I don't know if this will answer your question, but I am currently getting my Halloween tomorrow. Ooh. Awesome. Congratulations. Pin number 76, baby. Dang. Okay, so 76, and they've been making... They've got to be making, what, 10 a week right now? I am Mrs. Nesbitt. can you guys hear the call outs when they happen oh cause that's what I was gonna work on I can't but like I said I've muted the stream oh no yeah from the stream but it should be coming through I think that's just my mixer I think I can fix that I can fix that here at some point Pinsomniac welcome hashtag fix the mix 2021 so getting back to hockey really quick hockey is one of those sports that I have never gotten into in any sense of like I want to get behind a particular team right like I'm in Colorado and the avalanche at one point were really fun and we had this like complete jerk of a goalie at some point named Patrick Waugh spelled with an r and it was really fun because he would just like leave his area and go out there and go do stuff. Cypher's industry. But it's, um... I love that intro. It's really odd, because there are, like, certain movies you can watch. I don't know if you guys ever flip through television. It's been ten years since I've had cable. But, like, you're flipping through, and you have those movies. For me, it's Starship Troopers, where if you pass it, you can't not watch it. It's like, oh, I don't care where it is. And I don't really think the movie's great. I just have a hard time turning it off. And I feel like that's what hockey is, at least for me. I've never gotten super excited about it because they have like 100 and something games a year. Obviously, it's going to be a beautiful, beautiful. Wow, Manu. Wow. Welcome, everybody. Welcome. We haven't even started. Manu, you're amazing. My hat's off to you. Thank you so much. Joe, you mentioned you can never no wait, I don't know if it was Dice or Joe who mentioned you can never have too much hockey but you guys apparently both are fans do you have particular people that are particular teams that you're fans of are you followers of the sport I live in a hockey city Nashville has the Nashville Predators but I will say for me, hockey is not something I can watch on television it is something that I love to watch in person it's just very action packed, it moves quick but like I just don't have the I can't look at a tiny puck on a tv screen you know I gotta be there and there's also college hockey my alma mater Vanderbilt has a club team and their games are free and you can just go get free seats right up against the glass and you know what maybe the level of play isn't NHL level but it's really cool being right up against the glass at a hockey game that was one of my favorite experiences ever there's the Colorado Eagles that are about 10 minutes away from me, and I got glass seats once. Nice. Kind of crappy circumstances, but man, we had, like, three fights that happened right there, and I've never felt more like I should be drinking a really bad beer and, like, cheering on people fighting more than those, like, combined three minutes. Should have been drinking a Molson's. Molson's? I don't even, I was thinking, like, Bud Light or PBR or... Molson's are tight in Bud Light. Okay, got it. There we go. Molson's. And somebody earlier said Canadian... Sorry, they called it Cockney Canadian Boxing. Okay. Fliptronic, welcome to the stream. I'm sorry. Here's we do. Sir Snarf. Welcome, Sir Snarf Raiders. Oh my god, he just ran in. Oh my god, he just ran in. If you're just joining us, Sir Snarf and MPP 3K Raiders, almost on top of one another. Tonight, we are playing... I forgot to turn on some of my lights. Although it kind of looks good. With a little bit darker. Yeah, it looks good from where I'm sitting. Actually, it looks really good. It looks really good. It kind of has that Stranger Things thing where it kind of looks like a melted snow cone. Okay. Melted snow cone? I'm looking at it right now like a melted snow cone. It's got the purples, the reds, the blues, like all the juice that accumulates at the bottom of the cone. It's just so good. Oh, my God. That kind of, I was thinking of a pine cone covered in snow. For whatever reason, that's exactly what I thought. George, you have a child who is the same age as my child. How do you not know, like, when we go to the park and there's food trucks there, inevitably one of the food trucks is a snow cone truck. Everybody likes snow cones, except apparently George has been eating the wrong ones. I can honestly say I don't know if she's ever had a snow cone. Also, it's pure sugar. Yeah, that's pure sugar and water. It's hydrating. We've only just recently started introducing, I think, a decent amount of sweets into Zoe's diet. And, you know, what we tried to do was hold back on sweets, and all we did was turn our kid into a sweet nut. Like, now, because we withheld it for so long and she only got a small treat every night and they had to be, like, organic things that were good for her but had a lot of flavor kind of stuff, now she is, like, she holds on to it. She has a crack shake. Oh, yeah, exactly. Like, I found hidden Oreos in her room, that kind of stuff. Yeah, to be fair, I'm 27 and you'll still find the same thing. George shoves a pine cone with ice in her hand and watches her cry. Nice one, Dan. it's an organic snow cone it's very organic and it's good for you high in fiber i just in my mind i didn't even go there and i'm trying to think of like the multi-layered aspect of a pine cone and for some reason covered in snow and you talked about the different colors of it at the bottom like i guess maybe if it's a pine cone in a tree covered in christmas lights it's reflecting like I was really going with it in my head trying to make that entire thing work if at first you don't succeed your assumptions on the situation are probably incorrect and you need to start over or skydiving is not for you organic things are good for you gross been repping Colorado all night with a variety pack of Breckenridge winter beers wow that's kind of hard to say Hey, Starstar. Welcome, bud. It seems like it's been forever. Hi, Fuzzy Cord. Just eat snow off the ground and chew some gum. Dakota Mike, so glad you're streaming this, George. Barely any streams of Ultraman yet. I hope you can keep it at least until the next code update. Dakota Mike, I think I'm going to keep this for a little bit. Tentatively right now, C&K, welcome to the stream. C&K has a long intro. I'm kind of hoping Alan from the Pinball Mafia pops in tonight. I've been in discussions with him to buy his pimped-out Transformers. Ooh! Wait, was that the LE that just went up for sale on Pinside? No, it is a pro, but it's got all the fictions, the pin stadiums, the lights. All of the things. I feel that game doesn't get a whole lot of love, but I'm a massive fan of the Stern Transformers because, yeah, they're incredibly dumb movies, but they're my kind of dumb. it's funny an LE just went up for sale and there's like this I hesitated for a second I'm like it's Transformers like I grew up with it I'm as well Dice I don't think you grew up with it but Joe I think you grew up with Transformers I'm gonna be honest I thought Dice was like 55 I was off by half I've always been an old soul since age 6 I've been complaining about the youth and telling people what they listen to isn't really music. Well, you know, it's one of those things, too. Like, when you stream late at night, you know, you kind of are like, okay, I've got this slow, wizened voice, you know. I can't do it, but... Apparently I'm slow and wizened. Thank you. Slow. That's the best interesting compliment I have heard tonight. I assure you, I am very slow, and there has to be in some way that I'm wizened. Basically, my head is just filled up with a little bit of everything that might win you money on a game show someday. I also made that same mistake, so don't feel bad, Joe. I assumed after chatting with Dice the first time that he was, I don't know if I would have said 50, but older than me. Yeah, well, it seems like a lot of folks in the pinball community are older than me, so I just kind of assume when I don't have a face to associate with the name that they probably are, you know? Right. The soccer would like me to turn the game up. It's super quiet. Oh. Hold up. See, in fact, yes, the voices in your head are back, and we are louder than ever. Hold up. Let me, I'll turn it up after this first ball here. Actually, is it really that good of a ball? Well, I don't know. We're kind of, we're hitting shots. That's kind of a personal question, George. Is it a good ball? I mean, I don't know the table at all. So, like, maybe. One more. Oh, no, we opened it. Most of them are comboing that thing like crazy. One time I got to see George not only unpackage it, but play it. We've only played it once. Oh, okay. So this is very fresh material. It is. But it fits in so well with your little kaiju alley that you're building there. It does. It really works so well there. Pindaddy, is it only me, or does anyone think that they should have dialed back the red a little on this game? Far be it from me to question an artist. No, but really, that's a lot of red to me. Oh, you sound like Greg Bone, complaining about the amount of red in Deadpool. Now, in fairness, though, unlike Deadpool, a lot of the red on the play field right now is from the LEDs. Right now, this particular mode or whatever situation George is in has a lot of red light coming in from above. That's not necessarily the art itself. That's the current lighting temperature. And that's going to change as George plays through the game. Yes. Worth pointing out, who we need here is Joel from Just Another Pinball Stream. He is a printer. He's a professional printer. and I have to wonder because this is not the first, second, or twentieth time on a recent Stern game where they've had, in my opinion and a lot of other people's opinions, too much red on the playfield. I have a feeling that red, the color, adheres to whatever the polyurethane or the... I mean, I'm just making up words here because I know nothing about printing and playfields, but I see red so often overused on playfields. I wonder if it sticks or adheres to the material better than other colors. I don't think so, George. You know what I'm going to say? You know, a lot of these things you're talking about, these are games that are, like, from the Technicolor era, right? Ultraman, Godzilla, right? You've got to think that the reds really popped when people saw them on the screen. Okay. Or on their TVs. And so they're using a lot of red in the art to replicate that kind of Technicolor kind of feel. it wouldn't feel period accurate if it wasn't this red. Got it. Okay. So you're saying it is thematically appropriate. Polyurethane is what they make skateboard wheels out of. Okay. So I wasn't making up a word. I was just using it inappropriately. Snivy tries. The stream bard is here. You weren't misusing it, George. You just co-opted it for your own purposes. Okay. I can get behind that. Oh, I did a thing. Let me see what's down on you. and, you know, maybe they think you think less. No, if you just co-op words and make them mean whatever you want them to mean, well, they can't argue with you. Stalker says, quick little lassy, no big deal. Yeah, no biggie. That was a great lass, too. That bounced right out of the middle. Hey, guys, I'm going to go pop a quick lass. Anyone else need anything? C and K, yeah, especially the ones that have significant sun damage. Deadpool in 30 years will definitely be a very pink game. I think it'll be like a lot of the Johnny Mnemonics that I've seen are really washed out. You're going to be looking for one that's got really good OG color. All right, so we need to hit some shots here. I'm going red. Yeah, I don't know this game well at all yet. So, Joe, when you were asking earlier, saying you don't know the table, like, I'm in the same boat. Yeah, this is one that we haven't seen yet. Last time I was at Game Terminal about a week ago, they didn't have it yet. All right. After this ball, I swear, we'll turn up the game volume. And at some point, I'll actually pull direct video and audio. Yeah, I was going to say, George, I actually ordered one of those Spike 2 headphone adapter kits for Guardians. Awesome! Because my girlfriend, Badger Spanner, who is an audio engineer, has got me hooked up with a multi-mic setup that will isolate both the player and kind of the staging area where the other players would be queuing up or waiting and chatting. Okay. in such a way you don't get the game sounds or the flippers, really. But then in order to get the game sounds, we need the line in from the headphone jack. So I'm looking forward to getting that set up. Thank you again for letting me rent that from you. That's a huge, huge boon. Oh, man. I'm just so happy that it worked out so well for both of us. I had been wanting to get a hold of the game, and it happened to be that there was a really nice one out by you, and it did, yeah, man, that's great. yeah and I'm looking forward to whenever you come to pick it up I'm hoping to have a good enough streaming rig by then you know you won't be ashamed to joint stream it on both of our channels oh yeah that's oh man I don't know who to make fun of right now like I've streamed with mpt3k before right so I mean you know I've streamed at that quality level it's hard to get under that oh yeah I was just taking a moment, George, of quiet zen to appreciate the hops on your shirt. Right? Yeah. Ark Mecca, I'm enjoying the game. It's beautiful. I don't know if you guys got to see the pictures I posted earlier. That ball is stuck up there. All right, let's see if it finds it when it does a ball search. extra fall had a little problem in his stream last night with a ball getting stuck on his walking dead oh did he have to open it he did is that it that's the ball search it was like three things there's got to be a way to fix that in the settings maybe it's not a very dynamic table yeah that battle is a tad old you think that would have been one of their selling points our most dynamic ball search to date. Wow. No, actually, what I should do is, A, turn up the volume. Right? I'm going to turn off the music so that we don't have both running at the same time. And I want you guys to see this menu system. All right. Let's take a look at this. Oh, wow. That's very spooky. It's so spooky. But here, I just want you to see, oh, a stuck switch test, light test, standard settings so this is really interesting because it just loops it doesn't tell you how many there are it took me way too long to realize let's just count balls per game balls per game i i kept going what i was looking for is to turn the backbox light off and i'm like okay no backbox light no backbox i went around so many times this is it there there there's there's There's only like eight settings. Let's count it, actually. Balls per game. So one, two, three, four, five, six. There are six different settings to this game. That seems oddly low. It is very low. Let's say coil settings. Middle drop, middle scoop. Let's go there. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. There's eleven different settings on coils. Okay. That's not bad. there's some TAS servo settings. This one you can't go into. So they know that they have some servo settings. Matt Zilla, welcome to the stream! You probably have the worst amount of settings because you have the CE. If you've got anything under this, they actually cut some of those settings out. Yeah. Oh, so by the way, guys... If you had the CE+, you'd have the servo settings. So first-time chat from Matt Zilla. Guys, Matt Zilla is Matt Frank, the artist of Ultraman. so the the pictures that i just posted today yeah the instagram mattzilla85 i tagged matt i i or uh it's okay uh i tagged you earlier sorry is it i think i just said that wrong is it i thought it was mark is it i'm assuming it's matt frank then right and i just totally said that wrong that is my bad hold on artist it is matt frank i said that absolutely incorrect my bad so matt frank uh i tagged you on Instagram earlier. Thank you so much for joining us this evening, and oh my god, I can't get enough of this artwork. It is absolutely gorgeous. Well done, Mr. Frank. Yes. Alright, so we... I'm gonna give this a good shove to see if we can get this ball dislodged up at the top. The science patrol needs you. Nope. That's not going anywhere. I wonder if this pin is gonna cause a boon in Ultraman and pop culture. I hope so, because this, the art, wait, who was it that was on, there was somebody who was on here with the first night of Ultraman who was walking us through kind of the lore and the history of Ultraman, somebody who really had been following it significantly and walked us through the significance of all the different characters, and I'm looking for more and more, I feel like, of that. And Dice, you'll be happy to know, I did go check out that $200-something dollar Blu-ray thing for Godzilla as well. I'm thinking about it. I still don't have a Blu-ray player. So many Amethyles of Entertainment in there. But I don't have a Blu-ray player. So, thanks so much. I was thrilled to work on it, and I'm eager to work on War Machine. The Blu-ray player is the cheapest part between that and the box set. But the problem... It's already boxed. Yeah. So, A, I just bought a house yesterday, which is great. Or I should say a townhouse, which is kind of fun. George's not only a whole man cave, but a man house. Yes, it will be a man house very soon. But it's up to you to turn that man house into a man home. Well said. Well said. And Ultraman Brand has been exploding. So, Matt Zilla, the art... Oh, man, I can't get over the artwork on this. And I'm excited. I really hope you have something worked out with Spooky to potentially do some additional artwork in the future. Because this is just, it's amazing. It really is. And I think the first night we had it, we did an unboxing stream and just showed via a webcam kind of the outside artwork, the inside, and walked through every component of it. And I remember that night, and this still rings true today, and up until Ultraman came out, I would have said hands down that Zombie Yeti consistently had the best artwork in pinball. And for the first time, this pin, and I said it that night, I will be consistent with it going forward, but this pin is right there alongside Zombie Yeti. So I can't give it a higher compliment from another artist who's been in the field and been doing this now for, I think, like seven or eight pins. And you nailed it on the first time. So I really hope we get to see more of your artwork on it. And game video. Oh, what am I doing right now? The ball came out. Are you going to restart the game now that you got the ball back? Yes. Oh, hey, it was locked up in there. Cool. That almost delves into my question of the night, George. My question of the night is going to be pinball industry-based. Okay. Why is it pinball? If you have to pick between either Steve Ritchie or our homie Gomi and take them and the games they made and wipe them from pinball history, which one are you picking? Wait, Gomez or who? Steve Ritchie. Or Steve. Oh, Gomez. For me, it's Gomez. As much as I love you. Really? Star Trek is right there and it's an amazing game Game of Thrones, I love it but I would choose Gomez our hero will protect us all I think I don't know, maybe I need to think more about that a table like this blows me away art so good, it's here to stay it gets the point and displays the boys showing the monsters in the hero's toys I look forward to seeing what else you do. Maybe make a table themed around blue? Whatever you make, I'm sure it'll sell. You put your heart into work, and we can sell. That was awesome. Snivy, stream bard, killing it again. Yeah, Snivy speaks from the heart, sharing some truths, but cannot let the color drop. Can't release those hues. Hashtag release the hues 2021. Now, hopefully the game sound is coming through a little bit louder. So I have found one thing right away, which is looping this ramp gets you access to the top. And these ear pieces that you have to actually shove into your ear and twist that don't wrap around the outside, they always eventually just fall out of my ears. So if you see me duck down at some point, it's to grab an earpiece that fell out. Ooh, a little bomb and machines action. You don't get this on Deathly. I don't know where that went. Oh my god. That went all the way to the back. Fun fact, my friend Kyle Yunt did one of the voices in the video. He did the Kaiju cast for years and also worked on the Gamera Blu-ray set with me. That's awesome. George is pronounced Gamera. Gamera? It's not Gamera? Lights. Gamera. Action. I am... Thank you. One point. Nicely done. Nicely done. Joe gets a point. I am definitely a noob to this universe. but I'm excited because my daughter absolutely loved it. We watched Godzilla for Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla, and she loved it. Oh, that's a good one to start with. I'm a huge fan of Mechagodzilla. Well, which is funny because once I looked at the Blu-ray set, Dice, that you recommended, man, that's down at the bottom. Like, that is, I think, 1970s as opposed to some of the earlier ones which looked like they were in the 60s. So, we think that was the third from the box. Well, they're all on HBO Max right now, too. So, like, that's how much they are. Yes, they are. Oh. Well, okay. So, you could pay $15 a month and watch them all at your leisure. Or you could buy the box set and have them forever. But also have to buy a Blu-ray player. Then have to buy... Wow, Joe Hill's out here Win Schilling for HBO Max. Speaking of which, I love the refreshing taste of Dr. Pepper as much as the next person. Am I right? And also, speaking of Win Schilling, did you guys know that George has merch? I mean, how many blends would you say are in the fabric that comprises T-shirts? There has to be at least three in these T-shirts for them to be this comfortable and make me look this adequate. And if they can make me look this adequate, imagine how fantastic they'll make everyone else look. Oh, my God. You guys are awesome. Although, seriously. I'm a shirt guy myself. I'd rather walk around bare-chested, occasionally throw on a vest. But, you know, if I had to wear a shirt... You could always just... You could always just get in and talk to sleeveless T-shirts. You know, I've thought about that. And I just split it up the middle and I had a zipper in there, you know? Joe, I don't know why, but I totally feel like you were a vest guy. Are you an actual vest guy? Yeah, I'm a vest guy. I'm also, like, I'll wear, like, a cape or a long, flowing coat. I love jumping down stairs or on balconies, you know, just whatever. I like to have a good sense of flow, and I want clothing that accentuates that. My name is Joe Hills, and welcome to Jackass. I have no idea if you were being serious or if you were just making all of that up. Oh, Snivy, take a point. Would you say Joe's invested in his choice of clothing? That's a point. I find the best humor is marginally plausible, George. Okay. Now that should be a t-shirt. That should be a t-shirt. All right, so we need one more shot here to get a multiball, and I'm in a mode, so I'm going to go for it. Matt Zilla, kids, got to get back to packing up the homestead. But glad he stopped in. Thanks for the kind words, and thank you for the artwork on this game. It's incredible to look at. Yes. Thanks for stopping by, Matt. Thank you so much. Let us know when the Ultraman home version is coming out. They all cry out, oh Matt Mohan. Okay. Now I feel dumb, I was wondering what that the background and now I realize, oh, I'm actually hearing the game. Yes, you should hopefully be hearing the game. And I don't know who asked earlier for the game volume to be turned up, but I really hope it's loud enough to where it can be heard. I'm going to assume it's a little bit different for the folks at home versus us on the disc. Oh, I'm sure it's very loud and clear for them. I'm going to say I can barely hear the game, but that's okay. I don't need to I don want to miss what Dyson said Devin Crates I apologize he came in here looking to watch the stream and he got an ad and then immediately the first thing he heard was me saying hey speaking of chilling Nicely timed. There it is. Oh, no. Oh, no. And based off of George's hat, tonight's stream is brought to you by the letter C for Gookie. It's good enough for me. yes any first okay next sorry what was the first question I don't remember and I know I answered it right away oh if you had to pick between one designer and their library games are homie gomi or Steve Ritchie which one's gotta go right easier okay I would have honestly gotten rid of Steve Ritchie I love gomi's flow I do love I like all of the hidden shots on gomez oh Gomez is a very deep guy he's got a lot of hidden shots plus between the two Gomez seems like someone I could go out and have a drink with versus if I went out drinking with Steve Ritchie I'd probably wake up the next day in the desert missing a shirt and wondering where my stuff is yeah you can for one thing you need to practice drinking more dice because if you drink all the time you'll never wake up somewhere you don't expect to. Okay. Knockingly not true, my friend. I mean, in my experience, things could differ. I don't know. I live in one of the top ten drunkest cities in America. That's a good point. I live in the bachelorette capital of the world, so I mean, I don't know. There's a lot of drinking happening here, too. What's your exact address again? Just for fun. Nashville, Tennessee. Did you say bachelorette? I haven't made my way to Nashville yet, but I did very much enjoy my time in Memphis in 2019. Nice. Yeah, George, Nashville past Las Vegas has the place to throw bachelorette parties. Okay. We're a big drinking town, and we have a lot of live music. Oh, Sir Snarf says, shout out to my man Menier. Yeah, shout out to Menier. Oh, yeah. Wait, Eric Meunier? Yes. Okay, who is also, I'm guessing, in Tennessee? I mean, he made Guns N' Roses, George. He doesn't need to make another game. He's already achieved perfection. Yeah, so what is your thoughts on the code where it's at right now? With Guns N' Roses, well... Yeah, with Guns N' Roses. Um, now that the honeymoon phase is definitely over and I'm still having a lot of fun playing it, I wish there was a little more. But from what you get with it as an entertainment experience, I still think it was money well spent for me to get both versions of that game. Okay. I can walk up to any old pinball machine and get a game. I can walk up to other versions of that game and I get mixed experience. No, no question. It is most definitely an experience. How did I miss that? Also, I just like right now, this middle play field, I really just need to let it drain. It doesn't seem to do anything besides say, yeah. It doesn't even let it lit. Yeah. If George wasn't frozen. Let it drain, let it drain. Yeah. Do you want to drain the play field? It's the little one right there. We haven't lit any shots, so there's not lots of things for you to use. Points from on this play field. Just move on, George. The little white light is lit. Do you want to shoot the ball now? Do you want to let it fall now? Are you making this up right now? No, George, I had this prepared. How would I have this prepared? Okay, well, I think we know what needs to happen. Snivy, Joe, time for a b-b-b-battle. See, the thing is, Snivy and I clearly come from different backgrounds because Snivy gets upset every time I use a slant rhyme. He's like, a slant rhyme is a technical foul. And I'm like, look, I'm sorry. You know, there's some people who go out there and try to tilt. I'm going to throw some elbows when I'm rhyming. Snivy, this battle is going to have street rules. Oh. Wait, I have four, so I can do one million, two million, three million, four million. I can only purchase four million. Joe, now you've got my head swimming. Do you want to build a homebrew? The P-Rock is quite good. You can go down to Austin. That's where it's from. I didn't write this up. No, I just made this up right now. But yeah, so the thing is, I'm like, what do I know about the P-Rock boards? What do I know about woodworking? Oh, I'm out of my element here. All right, Donnie. Arthur Pendragon, it's me. I only seek your entity, a.k.a. Dice, and then you also have the lovely Joe Hills. Glad to be here tonight, Arthur Pendragon. Hi, Arthur Pendragon. It almost felt like that, George. I actually had to blow a little bit of dust off of my headset. Oh, wow. It had been that long. Wait, Arthur Pendragon is from, like, the Arthurian legend. And that's a pinball joke. I just got that. Oh. Thank you. I just got that. So, wait, this is Gamora? Or, sorry, how am I supposed to pronounce it? Gamora. Gamora. Say it like one more, George. Gamora. Like Gamora. Yeah, like camera, but with a G. Gamora. All right. All right. Which sounds like someone drunkenly slaying grandma, but... Camera got run over by a reindeer Coming home from our house Christmas Eve People say there is a middle place here But I ain't seen no shots lit, I believe With this man out, there's no way this thing is deeper The FD is really off here, I believe Ha! Arthur has explained this to you multiple times, George, and he's going to have to explain it to you next month again, too. Okay, George, I'm just going to say, in solidarity, people explain things to me all the time, and I keep asking. And so, I mean, sometimes that just happens. That's okay. Thank you. Thank you. I feel vindicated. In newer streams I go into now, people ask me what my name means, and my only response is another question. Do you have any names? Got it. What is that? Oh, my God. That is a multiball. What multiball are we in? I think you should read this, Joe. Snivy spitting bars at you. So here's the thing. It's like, if y'all want to do something with Snivy, we can do something with Snivy. But, like, I mean, I literally make a living doing this. So, like, I'm not going to argue, like, whether one way is better or worse. because clearly I found a way that works for me and it means I don't have to work otherwise. So I'm going to live that life. Can you say live that life or live that lie? Why not both? Yes. So, Snark, were you really not around for the several conversations we've had about what my name means? No, I feel like Sir Snark has recently joined us. I can disrupt the reason. Oh, man, and I totally missed it earlier. Some people were asking about the battle last night. Just to recap really quickly, and I didn't just make that up. There were actually people who asked questions earlier, and we totally got distracted because Matt Zilla showed up, and when the artist of the pinball machine that you're playing shows up, I get distracted, and I practically have D&D. Not D&D. I have D&D. No, I have an inability to stay focused over long periods of time on anything. I kind of forgot what I was talking about already. Nope, not DPF. Wait, somebody did something earlier. Sursnarf and MPT-3K. I'm just trying my best to demonstrate. Did you lose another headphone? No, no, no, this is good. Just give me a second. If you interrupt, I'm going to lose it all right now. back. So you can bop it back up with your ankle. Also, the delete button is not working. Oh, you have to hit both? Okay. Apparently you just have to hit delete multiple times. So I have to go through and give this one to Sir Snarf, who is here right now. Sir Snarf, what are your initials? George is losing it, guys. An inability to complete sentences. Sputtering out sentence fragments. That's how I roll. ACC. Sir Snarf, thank you so much for that raid. I remember when your daughter asked you, George, are you ever going to complete any of these sentences? I'm going to get there. I'm going to get there. A, struggle with maintaining focus. Sir Snarf, I will be in chat here as best as I can. I am currently sending you paragraphs of text. Or you can learn more at wikipedia.org slash wiki slash Uri Dicey. you're a dicey or you could just go to the Orpheus page that would work too oh nice, Joe Hill, thank you for the link yes, thank you, you were saving me the next 90 minutes so last night was a oh, let's switch, I have multiple scenes now I have a whole new thing going on so last night was an amazing battle hey Sandman, good to see you bud it's been the hottest of minutes a very hot minute so that was Fliptronic and Colin MacAlpine and this was a tag team iron battle last night on Godzilla right over here versus me and Escher Escher is out here so hopefully we're doing I think we have another one on the schedule for next week oh and somebody asked who won it was it was Escher and I that won we walked away with the championship last night, or the trophy, I should say. I didn't actually have the scene ready to go with the winners' scene. I was working on scenes right up until the very last second, as I was rebuilding all of my scene collections in order to reduce the ridiculous amount of processing overhead associated with them. So next week, same thing, same thing on Monday, an earlier stream, it's going to be another Iron Pin Battle tag team, this time with Fox Cities Pinball. And I think you're pretty familiar with them. Yeah, right? So Fox Cities Pinball, it's going to be Tom Graff and I believe his son are going to be tag teaming Escher and I. Tom is a formidable pinball player. Oh yeah, his son I think won the, was it the Pintastic Championship? Just now? Or, yeah. He won a little. A little, a little. Yeah, exactly. So I think, I think me being awful, Escher being amazing, and then two other people who are amazing, I wouldn't put money on Escher and I this next time. And yeah, so there we go. Recap of last night's battle was super fun. Neil is pretty, thank you, it was Neil Graff as opposed to Tom Graff. How much of our money do you think we'd all need to collectively pool for Escher to put out a rap album under the name MC Escher? I mean enough to withstand legal challenges from the estate of the artist MC Escher. How much in my head I want it. Well, I mean, the obvious thing to do there would be to get a Denise-y collab going. We could always just let Snivy ghostwrite. I kind of love the idea of Escher and Scott Danesi working on that together. Making beats for MC Escher. Yeah, no, so because I'm the person who writes the lyrics and not the person who arranges the music or sings it, all of my albums, like my brother Sean arranges and performs, Like, I'll bring him something, and I'll be like, hey, I want to do a parody of The Gambler in the style of Scott Danesi. So here's a few albums by Scott Danesi. Go listen to these. Here's some lyrics about pinball. Make this work. And my brother's just like, okay, just write me a check for a few hundred dollars. And I'm like, okay, awesome. Let's go. Is that really how that works, your brother? Yeah, he is. It's fantastic working with him. So there's two. So we've got these three shots over here, and this one is really just off the tip. So let's see if we can... Oh, we should probably start a battle first. Why are we in a multiball? I can wait until you drain, George, if either you or Joe would like to join me. But I kind of had a rather rough day, so I would like to do a shot, if any of you would like. I actually can't do shots. I have some stomach problems. I drink, like, continuously, but I can't just jump. Well, we'll allow you to swap sips. I mean, a shot is really just a bunch of sips at once. That works for me. And I am totally down with grabbing a shot. I also have a stomach issue. I actually played your book, George. I got here some lovely aviation gin. Oh, my God. I love aviation. it's one of the better gins that I've had. It's just tasty. And on top of that, it's Ryan Reynolds. Like, what's the downside? Shoot right scoop for Adam Hall. If Ryan Reynolds and a pine tree had a baby, this is what it would taste like. I'm sorry, I cannot do gin. It tastes too much like a pine tree and not enough like Ryan Reynolds. Joe, I'm sorry. You mean it tastes like a snow cone? that's a call that's a point right there i i know it's not technically a pun but you still get a point for that queen dark lady is down for a shot welcome queen dark lady oh queen dark lady good evening mistress of the dark tonight's all right dark ladies weekend oh yeah we're doing all the shots tonight So, in a moment of... I don't know if it was lucid, or if it was just being silly. These are the screams. Like, I decided to send an email off to one of my favorite authors last night, hoping we could get them to come in for a wizard modes and wordsmiths combination. kind of like what we're doing right now, except with the camera. I doubt I'll even get a response, but it was kind of fun to put that email together. Okay, well, here's the thing, George, is I actually can't announce a date for this, but I kind of did something similar with Patrick Rothfuss. I was talking about his Worldbuilders charity and seeing if he wanted me to do anything stream-wise, and they got back to me, and they are finalizing the schedule, And we're actually going to do a collaboration in early December. So, I mean, these things can happen. They can. Oh, my God. Name of the win. Is there a roundabout way of trying to make it up to Neil Gaiman? There definitely was the hope that I could eventually get to Jim Butcher. I don't know how to have that conversation. Like, basically, my thought is that I'd have to get to Brandon Sanderson first, who is a complete geek. The Kingkiller Chronicles, oh my god, Sir Snarf, I have read through both of his books. I dressed up as Patrick Rothfuss for Halloween in 2019, but it was a sign saying I came to this party instead of finishing my third book. So it was an author-shaming thing I did, because I am with a whole bunch of other people, a little frustrated that the dude continues to do silly things like allow streams to pay for him. Like, hey, give me, donate, you know, $200 today and I'll continue playing games instead of working on the book. He makes it, it's a thing now. And it's just weird because there's so many authors who, he has a talent and I find it borderline frustrating that somebody with his level of talent doesn't have the same work ethic that Jim Butcher and Brandon Sanderson and others in that particular genre have. But I know he gets a lot of crap for it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think he does get maybe too much criticism for it. Because you got to keep in mind, different artists have different flows and different work ethics and whatnot. and the big thing with Rothfuss is he's gotten logged down in all these translations of the first two books because he has all this crazy wordplay in The Name of the Wind and A Wise Man's Fear and so he's got to coordinate with all these translation teams who are like hey, I think there's a double meaning in this sentence and I'm trying to convert it to Portuguese and I've got a few options for you. Which of these sounds like it will work? And then he's like, oh, there's actually a triple meeting there, but that's a spoiler, so don't tell anyone on the internet. But we also actually, the most important meeting is the one you didn't catch. And so he's spending a lot of time working on just kind of revisiting the original works. He is still working on the third book, but, you know, it's one of those things where he wrote the first two as after-hours projects when he had other jobs, you know? And so now he's writing the third book as the After Hours Project while his new job is translating the first two books, right? You know, that's his workflow. And it takes time. Hey, Google, when was The Wise Man's Fear published? Okay, it's been ten years. I can totally appreciate that he has been just bogged down with translations. But ten years... Actually, also worth pointing out that I think he wrote all three books in one go. If I remember correctly, he's just revising what he finished before publishing the first book. That is not my understanding of the situation. Okay. And even if it's not, ten years. Is that justification for translation? Is that timing-wise justification for translations? Well, I mean, he's also working on television adaptations with Lin-Manuel Miranda. I know. Lin-Manuel Miranda calls up and is like, hey, I want to turn your book into a show. Could you make three hours a day for me? You find a way to make three hours a day for Lin-Manuel Miranda. And before you know it, yeah, you're not getting as much time in just for focusing on writing. But once again, he didn't write the first book as his full-time job. He wrote it after hours on the side doing other things, you know? So, I don't know. I would only allot him that three hours a day if Baz Luhrmann was directing. I mean, I'd be happy with David Lindelof. I feel like he did really well with The Leftovers. That's really interesting. Who could actually nail The Kingkiller Chronicles? Like, Lin-Manuel Miranda does a really good job with music. He did the score. Corey Fukushima, who did True Detective Season 1, could actually probably really kind of capture the character focus. But also, you know, a big thing about The Name of the Wind is it's about the environment they're in. You know, you want to have these lingering shots on the setting, and you need a director who's not going to rush the pace, you know? Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm preaching to somebody who's like, speed up the pace. So I don't know. Well, wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Nailing the pace in a television show based on a book is huge. There's nothing worse than feeling rushed. Think about the last two seasons of Game of Thrones. Right. Where they're obviously tying up the sins. Yeah. OK, cool. Yeah. You don't even have to do that. There was a tweet where like three months into the pandemic, somebody was like, we've been stuck in our apartments for three months. And the end of Game of Thrones was so bad that nobody has insisted we binge watch it from the beginning. it's just so disappointing knowing what you're leading into the the first the first several seasons were actually really well done like while the content was there and somebody brought up george martin earlier i'm interested in your guys's opinions dice i don't know if you've read uh the uh a song of ice and fire sorry whatever the game of thrones yes i am completely up to date. I have read all the novels, and I have feelings. I have feelings as well. Rather than me starting off, Dice, I'm interested in hearing your opinion first. What do you think? Oh, boy. Do you have 90 minutes? Let's go with the overall feeling, maybe, if you can succinctly say in a minute what you think of Game of Thrones. As a book series, I think it's some of the greatest writing of all time, if fantasy fiction, very heavy fantasy fiction is your kind of thing. That is by no means a starting point. I believe George wrote about this once. But if it is something you can get into and you can get past several obstacles in it, like me, I had to create a key chart with colored tabs because every chapter it switches to a different character and sometimes it's not very clear about who you're reading about initially. yeah I think that's some of the greatest fiction ever written and the TV show was right up until about season five and then I started to hate that HBO ever existed yeah okay Joe what are your thoughts same thing try to keep it around 60 seconds I know we can talk for an hour on this I think that when people hit a certain level of success their editors get afraid to challenge them Brandon Sanderson has gone out of his way to encourage and create an environment where people stand up to him and challenge him. George R.R. Martin has not. You know, you see these big writers, and by the time, like, J.K. Rowling had the same problem. As the books get further and further in, the author's too big for someone to say, we need to revise this. We need to cut this down. And so the problem is Martin is looking at this book and it's sprawling out of control. There's too many pages. And he's like, I need help with this. But everyone's afraid to help him at this point. Because he's the genius. He is. And isn't he an editor? Doesn't he edit multiple other series? Like there's a series that I think he's the editor of called The Spades. Yeah, he's got a side hustle. yeah the thing is though editing other people's work is different from editing your own work wild card thank you kindalas yes yeah so my point is that he needs somebody who will stand up to him and challenge him and maybe that's why they're finally taking so long in this last book or this next book because somebody did stand up to him and forced him to start over maybe he's just spiraling out of control without anyone to stand up to him. I can't tell from here. You know, I'm not out there living that New Mexico life. Is that where he is? I don't know. Yes, he lives in New Mexico. The land of enchantment, as he calls it. Yeah, I mean, he's off doing his thing, and maybe the next book will be good. Maybe he learned something from the TV show's failures. Maybe not. I'm going to read it either way. Yeah, I'll end it with you. I think it was good. I can actually pull a direct quote from a talk he did when Steven King came to New Mexico, and they sat on a stage in front of bunch of college kids and told stories and answered questions. And the first question George R. R. Martin had for Steven King was, how do you write so damn fast? And I abide by the King method of writing where no matter what it is, you try to sit down and you try to get eight pages out every day, no matter what. Okay. No matter what page you're in, you try to crank out eight pages. Now, George R. R. Martin said, oh, I'm over here and I'm like, oh, I wrote three pages. That's a good week. okay and i i think i've heard okay i haven't seen this interview but one of the questions that i heard came out of this was martin said to king something like do you ever sit down at the typewriter and just think i'm a fraud and i'm a failure and i can't write anything at all and king just looks at him and goes no greatest job on earth we can make up anything we want this isn't that complicated that's the job i I mean, you know, but the thing is, though, you know, when you're doing these huge stories, you're building expectations and you're building expectations. A lot of King's work is kind of standalone or like one or two books together. I know we had that Dark Tower series at one point. Yeah, that's the Dark Tower. It's one of my favorite series of all time. But like for the most part, though, King grew as a writer by doing one-offs. And, hey, if it's a hit, it's a hit. If it's not, it's not, you know. One-offs, magazine stories, the pulps, as they called them back in ye old days. Right. Hey, you know, I still actually have a subscription to Asimov's and to Analog. I read the pulps. Really? Fantastic. That's awesome. And so the thing is, they both come out every 60 days. And I can kind of tell how good my life is by how quickly I get through them. If I get to the next batch dropping and I haven't finished both of them, that means it's been a rough two months. But, like, if I've got a lot of time where it's like, oh, I'm taking my kid to the park and I'm sitting outside and I'm reading while she's running around playing with her friends, you know, that's usually a good two months. Okay. I just want to scroll back up here. This is still keeping on the topic of books, and I know I believe Hugh has something to say about this as well, George. Devin Christ. Ooh, that Eragon movie sure was something. of all the movies I've seen to quote Tice, that is definitely one of them the book series wasn't awful all I have to say about that movie is it sure was adjectives adjectives yeah especially that first Eragon book again, repeating myself but that is just some of the finest fantasy fiction ever put to page uh it's funny because i tried reading that to zoe when she was after she had just turned eight and i made it about a hundred pages in and decided you know what i'm so sorry we have to stop this is not this is not eight-year-old material at least for at least for my eight-year-old because she gets nightmares yeah when his family died or when he started to ride the dragon and the scales literally slice his legs into bloody pulp. Man, what it was, it was, I don't remember what exactly, oh, hey, I'll take that last. That was nice. Nice. What was it? I'm sorry, Snivy. Snivy was the one who initially mentioned Eric. Ha ha. So, George, did you ever read the Wayside School books when you were a kid? Man, why does that sound familiar? The Wayside School. It was written by Lewis Thacker. The premise is that there's a school that was supposed to have 30 classrooms in a row, but they accidentally built it 30 stories up. And so it's like a goofy kind of comedy kids' book about being in this weird school. Wait, did they skip levels in the 30-story building? No, you have to climb all the stairs. And so the book is about the kids who are in the classroom at the very top of this tower. Got it back in middle school. Yeah, so apparently the author recently put out a fourth book in this series after, like, putting out the first three in, like, the 80s and 90s. And so my daughter just went through all four. So if you're looking for something good for your 8-year-old, Wayside School Quadrilogy, I grabbed it on the Apple iBooks or whatever, so she could read it on her iPad, but you could probably find it for whatever you use. Okay. Or in print, obviously, as well. But, yeah, it might be a little bit more accessible and less murdery. That, I think, was the issue. It was... Oh, man. There was something to do where Aragorn was talking to his dad or his uncle. I think it's his uncle. Uncle. And it was pretty early on. Oh, I know what you're talking about. And it was just one of those, like, okay, I got to put the book down. This is definitely not for you. I think it just got sexual or something. Wow. How did I suddenly go from one Spacium to three Spacium? All right. I'm going to need you to hike up your britches, George, because I'm going to read something from Fuzzy Cord and you may not like it. Okay, go for it. The largest disparity between public opinion and fuzzy zone is the Harry Potter books. Couldn't make it through the first one. The writing was just amateurish. Oh, totally. It's very much like Steven King's first Dark Tower book. I had to read that book three times. If my first book came out to be The Sorcerer's Stone, I'd be pretty stoked. I mean, I felt like it was very almost Roald Dahl-esque. Like, hey, let's just talk about the drill industry in the United Kingdom. of Great Britain and Northern Ireland for a little bit. Like, I actually wish that the later books had more of that. If every book opened with how Voldemort's ascent affected the fundamentals of the drill-selling industry, how construction was impacted, how home improvement projects changed over time, like, that would have been a really cool lens through which to view everything. But no, it's just the first book that opens with this. That would have been a very king approach to take. Yeah, but like, I mean, I guess what I'm saying is I find that kind of Roald Dahl type of stuff a little bit charming, because I grew up with it, and it's a little bit whimsical. Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams are also very whimsical, though less child-focused, obviously. Oh. Apparently Roald Dahl the man himself was not delightful or whimsical. No, apparently not. It turns out a lot of authors are bad people. Who knew? He was horribly anti-Semitic. Okay. Up till his death. I feel like I knew that. Yeah, I found that out recently, but it's one of those things like, why can't people not suck? Right, J.K. Rowling? It's like when you just learn as an adult about what kind of person Dr. Shoes really was. Yeah, I've also heard, yeah, that sucks. Orson Scott Card. Ender's Game, I still think, is one of the greatest books ever written. And the movies weren't bad. I refuse to watch the movies. I had read all of the Ender books, all of the Bean books, and his homophobic stances were just kind of too much for me. I was like, I'm out. I'm sorry. It was fun being part of this fandom, but this isn't for me anymore, and I'm gone. Yep. There's only so many different ways to slice, oh, it was a different era. No, you just kind of had disgusting thoughts. No, or is it Scott Card's alive today? You know, and like, Brandon Sanderson's Mormon too, but like, he's not a dick about it. Wait, can I say that here? Sorry, George. No, no, no, that's fine. That's pretty cool. I won't say that. I just, I'm like, no, it's fine, and I went to go say it, and my mouth stopped. I'm like, no, don't say that. It's still fine, as long as I'm not saying it. Yeah, sorry. No, no, no. Yeah, what happened with J.K. Rowling is incredibly unfortunate. It's so unfortunate. From a franchise that seemed to champion celebrating other people's differences. Absolutely. Everybody. Yeah, that was really disappointing. I really like, Joe, your thoughts on why specifically the series took a downfall. I'm more, I guess, at this point still just confirming that not exactly the reasoning why. I just don't. I think books one, two, and three were masterpieces. And then in four and five, where the story splits, the characters split. So four and five take place at essentially the same time. And the characters just change. I started to lose it. Like, it was already a difficult book to follow. but it seemed like nothing happened in 4 and 5, and the characters, and nothing happened, and it became unfollowable. I don't know, maybe just unenjoyable. We're back to Game of Thrones, right? Just to be clear. Yeah, sorry, switching back over to Game of Thrones. So I will say the point that, so the only reason I got through them is because I was using the audiobooks and listening to them when I took care of my baby and cleaned the apartment. And I had to be cleaning and taking care of the baby anyway, and the baby wasn't talking. And so, you know, might as well. It wasn't a reason you came across. No. But, like, there's a scene where Daenerys is hearing petitions, and somebody who has sailed across the entire planet, all around the world to meet Daenerys and to make a suggestion or a proposal or a treaty, you know, I don't want to spoil anything, is finally waiting in line to talk to Daenerys at her petition hearing. And Daenerys is bored by the petitioners in front of her. And is just like, you know what, maybe I'm done with petitions for the day. And as a reader, I'm like, no, I'm bored with waiting for this person to talk to you. And you are killing me, Smalls. this is too much. Like, just let this person talk to Daenerys now. But, like, I don't know. Martin just wasn't ready to move the story forward for some reason. I don't know. Yeah, okay, yeah. No, no, I get that. It felt like it got unnecessarily slow at points. Also, what? Yeah. Please tell me there's nothing wrong with Douglas Adams. No, no, no. There is nothing wrong with Douglas Adams. Okay. And just a reminder, George, you told me once, to take a page out of my favorite musician Frank Turner's book, that if you were to ever acquire a dog, you would steal the name of his dog, Dogless Adams. Dogless Adams. Well, that sounds like an Adam who doesn't have a dog. It does sound like an Adam. I'd read that book. I only read two-thirds of the first Harry Potter books, says Fuzzy Cord, but it felt like a bunch of recycled tropes glued together. It gets better. And you see that fuzzy cord in so many different authors book series And that the point I was making about Steven King earlier is that first book in the Dark Tower series was so rough to get through at least for me I've heard a lot of other people who... If you want a better series that's much shorter, the Mr. Mercedes series is a really good one. Mr. Mercedes? Yes. That is, at least last I checked, it was only three books, but it's a fantastic story. Is that also Steven King? Yes. Okay, got it. I'm not a proponent of or a fan of most of the things that King has written. I even have both of his books about writing. Okay. Yeah, and I've read through, I think, both of his books on writing a few different times. They're phenomenal. They're great. Half biopic, half textbook. I think if I remember correctly from even his own introduction, It's like the introduction of book three, and I'm not sure which edition it is, on the Dark Tower series. He profusely apologizes for how bad books one and two are. He did. He really did. Yeah. When it comes to miniseries, they sure made up for that. Oh, now, I didn't. Sorry. Did they. Is there a miniseries? Because I only knew about the book. I'm sorry, about the movie with. I can't remember the actor's name in it. I need to make sure I'm getting the right one because I'm pretty sure the BBC did a miniseries on it and it was wonderful. Oh, man. I kind of want to go through and watch that. Fuzzy Cord brought up 11-22-63. That was a really, really fun book to read. For whatever reason, I find that authors, like, get to the end and then, like, I don't know what to do. Let's just go crazy. And that's kind of where that book took a crazy, to quote Bugs Bunny, took a wrong left turn in Albuquerque. and it went from this great I'm following and learning so much about JFK and about, was it John Wilkes? No, not John Wilkes Booth. Was it Booth? No. Who was the guy who killed? Oswald. You're learning so much and it's this intense case study or focus, and I'm so sorry we're not even playing this right now as the ball is totally jammed up on that top play field, but it's like a case study into the entire life and sequence and it seems super accurate. I didn't confirm. I read some people talking about how amazing they thought the book was because of how accurate it was. But suddenly it spoilers, by the way, on 11-22-63. I think it's been at least a decade. I think you're given a pass on something after 10 years, right? I don't know, George. I've seen a lot of people on Twitter talking about that 11-22-63 and how there shouldn't be spoilers. A lot of people are really curious about what happened in Dallas on that day, George. A lot going on in Dallas right now. Okay, so, but the book series takes this weird turn about, like, time travel police with, like, crazy people and stuff at some point in the book, and it just totally shifts the focus where you feel like this movie, this book is one thing and it's not. It's this completely other thing. Yeah. Well, it's kind of fun for me, but I'm a huge fan of conspiracy theories. Okay. I mean, I don't know. I personally really enjoyed the book because it's got an interesting kind of engineering problem of, like, how do you go back in time and integrate into society and just lay low for two or three years? That's a cool problem to have, unlike losing your headphones underneath your pinball machine again. Nope. I'm actually increasing the pitch of the pinball machine, hoping that it helps with that upper play field a little bit. because they recommended 6.5 degrees. I think I have it at like 6.0. Sorry, 6.6. So I thought, what the heck? Maybe if I can nudge it just a bit. Nope, it's not moving. Yeah, I don't think they, somebody earlier said, was concerned they didn't playtest that top playfield enough. I think I'm in the same boat. I don't, I'm not sure that was playtested enough. We can fix that with code updates. We'll fix it in post. Well, they're only moving three switches right now in the ball search. We'll fix it in post. Yeah, that can be fixed at least. Also, there's so much beer on the floor. I don't know if you drained or we got on a tangent here, George, but several people in chat, if they haven't taken them already, did agree to have that shot with me. Oh, that's right. I guess I'll just do this first one here to anyone that agreed to have one with me. Thank you. I am so sorry if you had yours already, but I will down mine right now. Cheers, Slonja. Salute. Salute. Hold on. I'm getting something. Shot. Oh, that's good, Jim. Ooh. Do I do... Yeah. Okay, I'm doing aviation with you. I got a little bit of aviation left. Oh, Sir Snarf. Cheers. Slonja. Wow. That was a very little bit. Arthur Pendragon is eight shots in. Well, don't worry, Arthur. I absolutely have nothing to do tomorrow, so I will probably catch up with you, not very quickly, but at the night for Christ. Yeah, I've got a lot of things to do tomorrow. It's going to be a mess, because I've got to get to Thanksgiving, too. Oh, man. So, what is everyone's Thanksgiving plans? That, I feel like, is a really... Is anyone doing anything unique beyond going to go see Family, or is it a big travel? Are you guys hosting? I am making a gigantic bowl of stuffing, and I am going to be watching The Matrix 1 through 3 again and The Animatrix to prepare for the release of number four next month. Okay. I like that. Wow, I need to do that, actually, in prep for it. Okay. Joe, what do you got planned? Well, so a lot of my actual Thanksgiving Day stuff is pretty standard Thanksgiving stuff. But tomorrow morning, you know, I've got my Wednesday morning craft stream, and I know you've been there before, George. Oh, yeah. So my girlfriend is visiting from London. She's never celebrated Thanksgiving before. It's going to be her first Thanksgiving when we go down to my parents' house. And so to prepare for that, my Wednesday morning craft stream tomorrow is going to be her and I doing all of the elementary school Thanksgiving craft projects. Hand turkeys? You're making hand turkeys? Yeah, like hand turkeys. While my other British friend, Zombie Cleo, that I always do the craft streams with, mocks us. So it'll be fun. That's awesome. Devin Crate says, I'm Australian, but someone in my Discord has somehow ended up with all eight people attending, buying a turkey for it. What are you doing for Thanksgiving, George? I have Zoe, so my ex is dropping Zoe off tomorrow at 2. I continue working until 5. I've already purchased everything for Thanksgiving, and it is just Zoe and I on Thanksgiving all day. We have a whole bunch of crafts planned, including, ooh, I should go grab it. I'm excited about this. I have no intention of actually touching any of this. make sure you tap into YouTube, George, while you guys are doing crafts so you can watch the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade oh my goodness, Oreo Holiday Chocolate Cookie House yes I will say, I streamed a similar Halloween house and it went over very well my daughter ate the whole thing do any of you guys know how long these houses are good for? I'm going to run you through this, George, because I had to figure this out for the Halloween one, okay? So the trick is you store it in your freezer, right? You take it out. You rip part off the house. You put it on, like, a plate that's microwave safe. You sprinkle some water on it, put it in there for, like, 30 seconds. It comes out like a fresh-baked cookie. But it'll stay in the freezer for a week to 10 days because you don't want your kid to eat that whole house in one day. but you can't eat it out or it'll go stale okay let the record show I would kind of like to see Zoe attempt to eat that whole thing I mean my kid would have wanted to eat the whole thing too but you know what I have you know and I say that purely not having to have any interaction with his child afterwards so the thing is I have to be the bad cop parent who says no you can't eat the entire Halloween cookie house in one day yeah uh i see you do asked uh what kind of meat we're doing we have turkey normally i deep fry a turkey every year and i have all the gear in the back of my truck right now but i'm a ham guy you're a ham guy that's interesting i have never done the ham but i mentioned not doing sweets a bunch so i'm kind of going to blow my kid's mind when i show her that for the two of us we've got this pumpkin and pie. We've got cookies. We've got, oh, but yeah, the gluten and dairy thing is just completely out for Thanksgiving. Obviously, I'm just going to be unhappy as soon as everything is done. But for a good 30 minutes to an hour, I'm going to be one of the happiest people I know. So we've got... I agree, George. I think you'll be incredibly happy the entire time. It's your body that won't be happy. Yeah, very true. So for my family, like, you know, I asked them, hey, what do you want us to bring down for Thanksgiving? And because we're traveling, we can't really bring, like, warm food easily or whatever. So they're like, hey, well, you're up where you can get some good snacks and stuff. Bring us some good cheeses and whatever. So I was in charge of going out to, like, there's a grocery store that, like, connects with all the local farms and whatnot, like a local grocery with local farmers. And I went and got, like, six or seven different cheeses, and we'll have a huge cheese platter. So, what you got? Now, I'm from Wisconsin, so I'd like to know what you got, because I will be judging your choice of cheese very harshly. Oh, my gosh. So, we got a nena, a gouda, we got an asiago, we got a basil cheddar. Hey, Tracy. We got a Monterey Jack. I feel like we got at least one goat cheese. Oh, my man. Oh, okay, I am no longer judging your choices. You chose correctly. Yeah, you did. That sounds amazing. We got some summer sausage and some salami and stuff, you know, some mustard, some olives. So, yeah, because my family likes to do Thanksgiving dinner at, like, 2 or 3 o'clock. And so at around 10 a.m. we put out, like, some nice snacks and dips and chips and stuff. And so, yeah, I'm kind of spearheaded in that. Okay. If you're anything like my family, by 10 a.m. everyone is already starving because we don't really do breakfast. But everyone's been drinking already. It's a very volatile combination. We need that cheese platter. Yeah, luckily my family is all very friendly drunks. Yeah. Mine is not half. Outer Spacey Tracy, or Tracy from Outer Spacey. I'll tell you a wobble. Thanks for stopping in, Arthur. Good to see you, bud. Yeah, great to see you. Oh, this got shifted way out. And that's just some internet problems. Uh-oh. uh yeah i feel like if i'm gonna go the gluten and dairy a little bit is to kind of just like screw it and go full dairy for the day and should because you just mentioned cheese platter and i was thinking sausage and joe i i got so excited i'm like oh my god that would be amazing i mean i will say everybody has different limits and stuff like i i can't do any sort of like uncooked or uncurdled dairy. I can eat cheese, but I can't have milk. And, like, there's a lot of, like, desserts that have cream and stuff that I just got to pass on. Right. And even on a holiday, I pass on those. But, you know, you got to know, like, how much it's going to set you back or, you know, what your limits are. Yeah. I was going to ask, George, for the holidays, the post-Thanksgiving holidays, will you be taking a day to break from your fast and have some spiked eggnog there? No. So eggnog is one of those, in fact, what Joe was just talking about, knowing your boundaries. Oh, wow, that flipper was very sensitive. Eggnog is one of those things that tastes amazing for six seconds, and 30 seconds later, I'm just an unhappy person. Yeah, I mean, I love ice cream, but I can't have it. So, you know, even if it's my birthday, I'm like, it's not worth it. I'm of the school of thought where you have to drink it like Clark Griswold from Christmas Vacation. And the day after Thanksgiving, I will be bringing out my moose mugs. Because, of course, I have moose mugs. Of course you do. And you've got to have that giant vat of eggnog. And you just dip it in there, and your teeth are kind of clattering. You drink it, and you're like, it's good, it's good. Oh, we mentioned this before the stream, but I was like, we need to save this conversation for during the stream. Oh, right. So normally the day after Thanksgiving, I go out and buy the Christmas tree, right? Okay. Yeah. The place in my apartment that would be the best place to put a Christmas tree is actually also the best place to put a highly modified Guardians of the Galaxy Pro pinball machine. And so I have not figured out yet where we're going to put the Christmas tree. That's going to require... I'm probably going to, like, I don't know, dismantle some furniture temporarily and shove it in the back of my closet somehow. Because, like, you know, we obviously have to have both. But, like, that's a puzzle for, like, three days from now. I'll worry about that then. I told you, put the star on top of the game, and there's plenty of room under the game to put all the presents. You actually can fit a lot of presents under a pinball machine. So many presents. You can, yep. Uh, okay, jumping back up here. This was for you guys from Tracy. Have y'all tried Coco Whip? It's the Cool Whip-style topping that's coconut-based. You know, I haven't, but I'm not a huge coconut fan in general. Oh, I love them. Like, I mean, one of the things I found is there's a lot of, like, hey, this is a dairy replacement, and I'm like, I'd rather just not have it than replace it, you know? I'll take coconut over no milk, but I prefer oat milk to coconut. Trace, what about wrapping a table and sticking the tree under it? Nice. I mean, I'm one of those people who... That whip is overly coconutty. Yeah, I mean, I just like my coffee black, just like my metal, you know? Shout out to Mindless Self-Indulgence. Oh, my God, they are so good. Have you seen them in person? Three times, but I don't think they're ever coming back because the singer Jimmy Urine got me-tuned earlier in the year, so... Oh, I missed that, but yeah. Incredible vocalist. Incredible show. Mr. Hardluck, I love almond milk. I'll take that over regular milk, because I think the texture is more to my liking. How many more purple shots do I have to get? See, George, I told you, it's a snow cone. You mean a pine cone? Ice Key Dude still thinks George should try some tuna nog this year. I'm good. I'm good. Super solid. Don't need to try tuna dog. I could make you some. No, no, that's fine. Really, George, it's no problem. Anything for a friend. George, are you going to be at TPF in March? Yes. Because I heard Manu was going, and, you know, I know Flip Chronic was going, and I was really thinking, like, I need to get my kid out there. Are you bringing your kid? No. Oh, okay. There's entirely too much drinking that happens at those things. I do not want to be responsible for a human. Okay, I'm responsible for the human either way, so I'm bringing mine. Okay. You have no... Yeah, you're bringing your kid. Okay. Well, what I'm saying is I can't not be responsible for it. Right. Yeah, no, no, no. That's really good. You'll be anything but super solid if you eat or drink tuna knock. Oh, I got into multiball. I don't know if there was a kid's tourney at TPS, but... I don't... I don't think I remember there being one. That said, you can talk to whoever the tourney... Whoever... The guy who runs Texas Pinball Festival and suggest it. I don't know that anybody would be against it. Well, I mean, I worry that if I suggest it, they'll be like, do you want to volunteer to help run it? Oh, yeah, that's a really good point. It's my first time at TPF I don't want to, you know, sign up for anything Right, no, no, no I just double-drained on 2X I thought there was Okay Oh, yeah, Sir Star Chaotix, Texas Hello from Wisconsin Hello, Wisconsin So glad I wasn't lactose intolerant Oh, my God, how awful would that be From Wisconsin Then it is very cheese focus. I was just saying beer in Bratwurst, which is still pretty great. Actually, yeah. At this point, you're about an hour from where I'm at now. Howdy from the Fox Cities. Boom. So, for those of us who don't know Wisconsin, what are the Fox Cities? The Fox Cities is, it's like our version of the tri-state area. It's a bunch of cities amalgamated with a bunch of smaller cities in between that nobody cares about. and I'm from one of those. So what are the anchor cities, the big ones? You got your Oshkosh, the largest manufacturer of fire trucks in America. If your city has a fleet of fire trucks, odds are we built them. Okay. I would not have guessed Oshkosh. Weird black, but okay. Which is about an equal distance from Green Bay as I am, about 25 minutes. Green Bay is one of them. I've heard of them. And then you have the Appleton area, which works on defense equipment for aerospace and the military. Okay. Sorry, and what was that last town or last city? Appleton. Appleton. I don't know Appleton. A-P-E-L-E-T-O-N. Appleton. Appleton. Which, if you ever play the pinball machine, you'll hear the call out, My greatest escape ever was escaping Appleton, Wisconsin. What game is that? Houdini from American Pinball. Oh. There was a very small period of Houdini's life where he called Appleton home, and actually we have a Houdini museum and themed gastropub. Multiball. Multiball. So I'm in a mode. I want to hit this shot right there. Not there, not there, not that one, not that one. I want that shot right there. Tracy, drop me a link here. There is a 12 and under turning at TPS. That's awesome. That's good to know, Tracy from Outer Spacey. I'm going to see. I've got to make sure it's not on Friday, because we're going to fly down after school ends, you know, type of thing. But haven't you ever heard that song from Rebecca Black? You've got to get down on Friday. You know, there's actually an incredibly good, like, banjo cover of that. Banjo playing is impressive to me. I enjoy banjo music. No, sorry, it's fiddle, not banjo. I'm really tired. Eh, same. Same difference. They're both stringed instruments. Close enough. Good enough. Good enough. It's like Jack Black from School of Rock. Hey, you, what was that thing you were playing today? The big thing. George, there's a parent-child tournament. Really? Teams consisting of one parent and one child compete against each other for their place in the finals. Qualifying is Friday from 12 p.m. to 10 p.m. So, the problem is, we're going to get there, like, right around 9 or 10 p.m. because of, like, school on Friday. Right. Right. But if we could get there on time. Ooh, it's a split flipper tournament. The child plays balls 1 and 3. The team plays split flipper on balls 2 and 4. So, at this point, I'm thinking the goal is to bring kids. I mean, I can't not bring my kids in this. Okay, okay. I think the goal of that is to have someone else they can stay with while the other one goes out and does the drinking. Yeah, I don't really, I'm not super comfortable with that. I'm trying to think of, I'm sure you can find someone trustworthy there. Well, George, I'm not saying you should change your plans. I'm saying if your plans change, if all of a sudden whoever's going to watch your kid that weekend is like, I can't watch them. You don't say, well, I'm not going. Okay, and Tracy's wagging her finger at you. No, George, you can't just grab a random kid. Not a random kid. I mean, I was thinking of trying to bring someone out with me that could just be, like, hang with Zoe for the weekend. And I, sorry, and Joe's kid. I don't know the name of your kid, and I don't know if you feel comfortable saying it. I thought you were going to say, bring someone out to be your kid, and I'm like, no. I can do that, George. I'm 5'3". all I have to do is shave the beard problem solved are you going to be there I will not my travel for 2022 is completely booked already although I did set aside three days in there not sure whether I'll fit in yet but I am coming to Fort Collins or wherever your new man home is this year I will be coming to Colorado I can throw from this place right here where my next place is it's so great too because uh it is a it's way i'm overpaying a ton but what i'm getting out of it is a disconnected garage because this is going to be the first of i typically have a couple of rentals and we just sold them as a part of kind of getting divorced and uh and so i'm redoing the whole rental thing and i'm doing it kind of trying to do it the right way which i intended to do initially, which was to, you can do five conventional loans and the sixth one becomes awkward because you have to go non-conventional and you also then have to show that you can afford rent in with cat. There's, there's all kinds of limitations, but doing it right this time. And I'm getting as a standard place and a good area that will rent and it has a disconnected garage. So that way I have storage when I get my next place in case it doesn't have a garage, but it's still a good rental that I don't have to include as a part of the rental from this place once it becomes a rental. So it ended up working out really well, and I was really trying to make this work in a really good way. I have a great rental company that I've worked with previously that gives me a decent discount once I hit a certain number of rental properties. And I realize I don't have too much of a follow-up there. discussing rentals, but this is the first and hopefully five rentals over the next five years. Gotcha. Now, George, in your last run of owning a home, specifically setting up a game room, what did you learn? First floor. Background checks the guy who does your electricity. I'm good on all of that. I have already ordered soundproofing for the wall. I measured the wall to make sure I could have seven pins on the first floor. There's only two steps to get there. And it's like one step at the bottom and one step to get up onto the patio. And it goes right into the room. Wood floors. And it's true wood as opposed to engineered. So I can always resurface it afterwards, which is great. Like all of this, all of these discussions and thoughts went into trying to find a decent rental. And I will say, George, I actually hired an electrician to come in and look at several outlets in my apartment before the pinball machine came in. Oh, wow. Well, we've had some wiring issues in my apartment, and I thought about complaining to the landlord, but at one point we had a plumbing issue, and I was talking to the maintenance guy, and I was like, yeah, the kitchen's through here. And he's like, oh, I know this unit. I wired the whole thing myself. Oh, wow. And I'm like, oh, I don't want to talk to the landlord about this wiring stuff because he's just going to send this guy back. So I had my own electrician come in that I paid for out of pocket. And I'm like, okay, I've noticed some weird things about these outlets on these circuits. Just go through, replace everything, charge me whatever it costs. I don't want to screw up my computers or ultimately your pinball machine. But, you know, yeah, no, having somebody come in and check the work, like, because, like, one of the outlets, we realized there was this, like, hutch. You know, you got, like, a piece of furniture that's got, like, you put, like, nice pieces of glass on display or whatever. You have a lamp at the top of it, right? Yeah, yeah. It's one of the first things I plugged in when we got in the apartment. I unplugged it when Flip Trotter came to visit, and I realized all the other outlets on that circuit stopped working. Oh. And I'm like, I plugged it back in, all those outlets go back on. I'm like, that's not how outlets work. I need to have somebody come look at this. Because we cannot have our outlets running in serial through the lamp in this hutch. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. I got them fixed. Okay. Yep. It definitely sounds like you wanted to have an electrician come in. And you're sorry. The first electric. Sorry. Was it the apartment complexes electrician that came in that said that? Or was that your electrician that you hired that came in? The apartment complexes handyman was the guy that was like, oh, I wired this apartment. And that's why I didn't go back to the apartment complex people. Got it. With this. Yep. I went. So one of my former co-workers, her husband's an electrician. And I had him do work for me previous places I lived, and I trust him. So I had him come look at this. And he's, like, looking at this outlet, and he's like, what is going on with this? And he would, like, plug – he has, like, you know, these probes that he would use to check outlets, right, to see if they're wired properly or grounded or whatever. He plugs the probe in, and the other lamps on the same, like, circuit or the same circuit breaker line of the outlets in that room all turn on. He pulls the probe out, they all turn off, and he's just like, no, that's not how any of this could work. I should not put something in here, and the rest of those work now. Okay. Yep. Also, Family Games, welcome to the stream. Still on the, sorry, it was Houston Expo High. I hate having missed out on that, but thankfully doing TDF in it too. And you may be talking me into trying to bring Zoe. The problem is that she's not really into like, she enjoys pinball, right, but she's not into pinball and like she loses focus very quickly. I mean, my kid is the same way, you know. Okay. She has fun when we go places to have pinball, but like, she wouldn't go to a pinball expo on her own. Right. At the same time, like, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, hey, look, if we go wander around for a little bit, talk to some people, if you're bored, you can play on your Switch, you know, or bring a book, or read books on your iPad, you know. Like, you know, we go a lot of places that are fun for you. Sometimes it's nice to go places that are fun for me, you know. It's good for you to see where, like, when I take you someplace that I don't want to be, you know. I'm not going to baby you. Like, this is just part of being part of a family or part of a team, is that sometimes we don't always get to all do the same things that we all want to do at the same time, you know? And we take turns, and that's okay, too, you know? But, like, still finding moments in that weekend that would be very cool for her. Like, my daughter would like to be in the kids' tournament. That would be a high point for her, you know? And I'm going to go out of my way to make that work, even if I have to miss a lunch or something with folks I want to hang out with here or there, you know? Right, right. You got to, yeah, that's, if you end up doing it, setting it up to do something fun like that with your kid. It's so funny because I feel like the majority of the time, my kid actually doesn't care too much about what we do as long as she gets to do it with either me or her mom. Well, and that's important, too, is, like, I want my kid to feel involved in what I'm doing. And part of, like, I'm a self-employed artist, right? and one of the things I'm going to be working on like around this in spring of 2022 is I'm going to be trying to rebuild pinball mechanisms in Minecraft to demonstrate to viewers how they work in my YouTube channel, right? That's awesome. And so saying, hey, we're going to go and we're going to talk to the people that make these parts or sell these parts and we're going to go look at some of them and handle them and maybe buy some of them. You know, she gets to see kind of how my business operates and, you know, what I'm building off of. And even if that's not necessarily fun for her, she understands that that's me, like, trying to show her how to be an independent artist if she chooses that path for herself. You know? And even if she chooses a totally different form of art than, like, you know, internet sculpting, you know, I'm not here to tell her what's going to make her happy. I'm trying to show her, here's how you take what makes you happy and you make it function financially, you know? Yep. Regardless, it's still a positive lesson having to do with financials and art in general. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, was anybody else as embarrassed by my pinball playing skills while watching Escher play last night as I was? Sorry, I don't know if I said that right. I hope other people were as embarrassed of my pinball playing skills watching Escher play right next to me. Because that, in my opinion, was like watching a different sport being played. Just thinking about kids, and not that Escher is the kid by any means. It's just something that caught my attention. I think in this scenario, you're the kid, George. I'm the... We're describing the parent-child pinball tournament with you as the child here. Escher is just like, okay, George, try to keep up. I know, exactly. You have to, George. You don't have to do... Look, I'm going to do really well, but you don't have to compare your score to mine. We're on the same team. Yep, same team is fine. George, just hit that one shot, George. Just hit that one. focus on me focus on me hit this just this one nope don't hit that other shot don't get distracted by the other things alright focus right here right here hit that shot okay thank you you get all excited and I'm like I I should pick a different sport but honestly it's just too much fun and the art is amazing and there's there's so much there's so much more going on which is great and I love it but yeah Just even having somebody explain the rule set and how it can be so horribly abused was just a completely different world. Also super exciting. And at one point last night, I was just sitting there watching, and I kind of forgot that there was a stream going on. And I'm just watching two different people play. and at that point it was Cullen who was pretty far behind because Escher had put up 1.7 billion I think on the last game which was just a high score and Escher is walking Cullen through remotely like, okay, this is where you're at this is the next thing you want to do you got here, you did this, okay, now just hit the shot over and over again and you are going to abuse the hell out of the scoring system on this and to watch Cullen be able to take that direction and actually do something with it be successful and similarly get over a billion. It was, I don't, it was a very unique experience to see that level of gameplay happen. And to bring that back in, it just, it exactly, it made me kind of feel like a kid on my own thing. And I will say, George, I benefit greatly from playing games with people who are massively more talented than me. Right. It's humbling. It's inspiring. It's exciting. Those are three great things. At the same time, though, you've got to remember what you're doing when you're streaming these games is you are making pinball as a hobby more accessible to folks who might not have picked it up otherwise. Like, when I play games and I do creative things with them, I'm not trying to be the best. I'm trying to show anyone can have fun with this. Here's how I'm having fun with this. I want to encourage you to have fun with this in your own way, right? Right. You know, and you can't really do both. I'm going to be honest. If you are at this incredibly high level, you can't be excessively introductory to a hobby. Yep. And so it's a whole ecosystem. Everybody's kind of serving their role and helping out and contributing, and we're benefiting from each other. And it's a good thing, in my opinion. Yeah, I tend to break it down similar to how Brandon Sanderson has this. If you've ever listened to Brandon Sanderson talk about how to write, and he teaches at, I think it's like Brigham Young University out of Utah. He talks about this scale system having to do with like character arc, and he divides all these different things about characters and how you can balance powers versus personality versus something else. And you create different character types by sliding things and letting, like if they're going to be really good at this, they should be less good at this. And you can adjust those things. Or somebody like Superman, who's really good at everything, has all the bars over here. Well, that's not fun to read about. Right. And I realize, as I say that, that's offensive to people who really like Superman. But in general, and I'm just I'm super generalizing, Superman is not the most enjoyable character. It's usually Superman versus something else. And in that situation where he maybe isn't good at something is what makes him enjoyable. There's always this weird connection between what he's amazing at and what he's not good at that makes him an enjoyable character to watch or read or listen to. Superman, yeah. So, I'm sorry, Buzzy Cord, if that happens to be, like, your favorite superhero. But similarly, that's what he talks about is often this balancing. And I've mentioned something kind of similar with regards to streaming. and I think from this perspective it's pinball but there's like being good at somebody can be successful by being amazing at pinball right like that is and I'm not going to actually give examples because I'm going to say things and probably not mean it the way it's intended but you can be really really good at pinball or you can be really good at engaging the audience or you can be try and be a healthy mix of both and do a little bit at the same time and I guess and And yeah, there's that interesting balance, right? And as you were bringing up just a second ago about how somebody at that level is potentially going to be more restrictive with regards to the audience that might be interested in hearing about the complexities and the intricacies of in this situation if you do this you set up this situation here you loop the shot 20 times and on the 21st you broken the game and the multiplier now hits some number, and you start shooting a billion per shot. Like, that is a bit much for somebody who's new. So, yeah, I guess to be, agree in slightly different terminology, I think what you're describing absolutely makes sense. There's different types of streaming and I guess what's fun about that is I realized last night that if there is a scale by which there is good streaming I thought I was like over here this being good this being where I thought I was it's probably more like here-ish after seeing that but once again though talent at the game does not necessarily equate to impact as a streamer Did I say... I meant pinball. I think I said streaming, but I meant my skill at pinball. Okay. I'm a shot and also three beers in. I just missed up the... Sorry. There's streaming, which is okay, but then there's pinball. And I thought my skill at pinball was like here out of a scale like that. And it's not. It's my skill at pinball is here. And last night was a wonderful demonstration as Colin, who didn't know a game at all. And that's what was so mind-blowing about that. Colin MacAlpine, who came into this not knowing how to play Godzilla, was just being walked through and put up a billion, which I will probably focus for six months on learning how to play that game and trying to anticipate how when I miss a shot, the ball is going to come down and I can figure out how to nudge it specifically as it does this weird little loop-de-loop thing as it comes around. It's going to take me a long time to get there to the point where maybe I finally play a billion-point game. And those guys did it their first night. Specifically, Colin, one of the first times he spent more than 10 minutes on the game with a little bit of direction from Escher. And that, to me, is mind-blowingly awesome. And I'm so happy I got to be a part of that last night. Yeah, and it's one of those things, like, it's so fun to see people just excel at things. but having other folks also just show up and play. That's accessible, right? So you can bind that excitement with that accessibility. That's a good stream. You know, I was only able to catch a little bit of what y'all were doing last night because I was kind of busy myself, unfortunately. But what I saw, I really liked. And I think that's a great formula. Like, for me, I'm worried if I get too good at Guardians of the Galaxy, The reason that I got the game was so that I could have people come hang out in my apartment and stream with me and just sit around and talk, right? And, you know, I want to do kind of the hot nudge model where you have a few people talking and one person playing, right? Right. And if I'm just blowing everybody out of the park on score every time, that's not going to be fun. What makes it fun is if I'm running a good show. And I need to understand the game so I can help other people have fun playing it. and can kind of coach them here and there. But, like, I'm not having Escher on. You know, it's like, hey, here's somebody who runs a local board game event in Nashville. Right. Let's talk about what it's like to run a board gaming event in your community. Yeah. You know, this is not a professional pinball player. Yep. I don't want to talk about that album he's going to record. Well, my brother records the albums. MC Escher. Oh, yeah, I gotcha. I just took a small break there. I didn't want to cut you guys off because you were vibing so well, so I went to get a refill on my beverage, and I also grabbed a second shot should anyone care to join in. Gotcha. I will say, because I have a craft stream in seven and a half hours, I probably need to call it a night. We're at 1 a.m. here in Nashville. But, George, thank you again so much for looping me in on this Guardian thing. Thank you again for involving me with your stream tonight. It's always a joy being a guest here. Dude, Joe, thank you so much. And have yourself a great night. I look forward to watching your stream tomorrow. You guys, if you are not already following Joe Hills, please do so. You will not be disappointed. Amazing content creator. And when I say content creator, I do mean actual content creator. I throw that term around. But, like, tomorrow. I'm going to say straight up. Like, I just call myself an artist. Okay. I mean, the thing is, content creators, they make stuff that goes between ads, but I'm viewer-supported on PayPal tips. I'm a buster. Okay. I'm making art, and people are paying me money for it. I love it. So there we go. You can say content creator if you want, but, like, you don't have to say it 12 times because eventually I'll correct it. Okay. You know what? I'm not using that term anymore because that is an artist right there. and if you guys are not once again already following Joe Hills please do so, A, I'd be surprised if you're not following Joe Hills at this point but check out Joe tomorrow I absolutely love these crafting streams there's so much fun you have a great vibe going on between yourself and who is the other streamer that you have out with you? we've been making videos on YouTube together for about 10 years now. And so, yeah, streaming craft stuff together. It's just, you know, two old friends palling around while we, you know, play with art supplies. And it's a good time. I'm sorry, did you say zombie Coolio? Zombie Cleo. Cleo. You all sent me excited. I'm like, I'm very excited to see zombie Coolio. I think Coolio might still be alive. So don't let him hear that. Oh, and musically he's not. Thank you, Manu. Yes, see, people want to see zombie Coolio. As I walk through the valley where I harvest my brains. Yes! See, it writes itself. Nope. Yep, there's a lot that could go on there. Wasn't Coolio also totally against Weird Al riffing his music? He initially was, but they have since squashed the beef. Okay. Because he finally realized, oh, that brought more people to my song, and they're both entertaining in their own way. Exactly. Also, if you have never seen Weird Al perform live, as soon as you safely can, I know we're in a pandemic right now, you've got to do it. That was one of the last shows I saw before COVID, and I'm so glad I went. George, you're like jacked as hell now. Watching that show will make you feel out of shape. Oh, really? I don't know that I'm jacked as hell, but thank you. That guy has to have the stamina of, like, a 12-year-old. Okay. I am in. And, Joe, once again, thank you so much for hanging out, and looking forward to seeing you tomorrow. Alrighty. Have a good night, everybody. Good hanging out, guys. Good hanging out, George. Bye. Thank you. Coolio stole it from Stevie Wonder. He has nothing to complain about, says Fuzzy Cord. Okay. I was unaware of that. I mean, I bet Stevie never saw it coming. That joke got the response it deserved. It was a slow one. I'm so sorry it took me so long to get there. My only other one that I use to try and make new people laugh and feel their sense of humor is, Hey, have you seen Stevie Wonder's house? Neither has he. That one's on the nose or, I don't know, on the dotted I or something like that. I feel like the other one is. Slaps the bed. Thank you, Manu. Oh, man. I don't know if it's what I'm drinking or smoking, but Manu is in my corner tonight. He's like the boxing coach handing me a towel. He's like, you got it, champ. Just go out there and give him a few more. You got this. Oh, man. So Manu and I roomed together for Expo. No similar discussion the next time around. So, A, we're at an event where there's drinking, and B, I snore after drinking. So, yeah, I think... I wonder what causation is there. Right. I mean, it's correlation, not causation, right? So there's no direct way to, like, guarantee that's exactly what it is, but, yeah. I think we need to do a study. So, yeah, I need to remember that. And Banu, once again, I'm so sorry that I snore. George, a really quick fix for that, as someone who does snore on the reg, get some of those Breathe Right nasal strips. It'll open your passages up and you won't snore anymore. I've tried it, dude. I've tried it. You more than likely snore all the time. That's not something that just turns on at all. You're probably... I don't know. I remember, um, my... George got totally shit-faced one night. It was amazing. It was, oh, yeah. That was, by the way, with, uh, that was with Outer Spacey Tracy, Extra Paul, a.k.a. Bumper Nugget, and, uh, Alan from Pinball Mafia, along with Ty as well, who is Meat Jello. He needs to change his Twitch name, I think. It's Vertzilla right now. Uh, and I totally missed... My God. These wonderful Bluetooth earphones just keep falling out of my ears. Manu, do you have a fix for that? Was it the whistle pig's fault? Yeah, it was definitely the whistle pig's fault. I'm going to use tape. Tape? Like scotch tape? Yeah, just enough to hold it in your head and get a little shake, see how it feels. Okay, so I scrolled back up. I think what you're doing with the iron pinball battles are something truly special. You do... Oh, wow, this was a compliment. I just... I noticed that you called me out earlier. Now I feel like I need to just read it first to make sure the compliment doesn't turn into something awful. Not that Alex... No, that's totally what Alex would do. Okay, thank you. Wow, blushing right now. You do incredible work for the community and some of the best content on the internet wouldn't exist without you. Please keep up the incredible work. Sir Snarf, thank you. Captain Spam, I believe you are confusing Weird Al's Coolio parody with the Eminem parody of the song he did from 8 Mile. Em gave him permission to parody the song, but not create a parody video, which I thought was a very odd stipulation. Yeah, that is kind of weird. I don't know. Did I mention at all recently I have been on a Logic kick? I found out. You have, and I could not have been happier. Actually, should he go on tour in Colorado next year? That'll probably coincide with my trip to Fort Collins. Okay. Because we are going to see Logic if he's going on tour and going to Colorado. Okay. Done. We're going to be standing in front of him, and he's going to be rapping at us. I've never been to a rap concert. Oh, I've been to a... Well, depending on the artist and their fan base. Someone like you, George, I would not recommend go see Tech N9ne. Okay, don't go see Tech N9ne. Got it. A lot of people in there who I would wager to say have definitely done time. Okay. And they're not the most understanding people in the world? Okay. I've seen some horrible things done to somebody because a bit of beer was spilled on their shoe. Sorry, are you concerned that I am uncoordinated and will spill beer on people? I'm concerned that you will get shanked over a very minor grievance. I love that. Thank you for being there for me. I'm just... Like, what minor in... What social... I'm curious to know why you think I would have a social snafu moment. Mostly because it might not be your fault. They may have elbowed your drink out of your hand and then it became your fault. Okay. Oh, party chord. Too soon. What was that? Even for me, that's too soon. Wow. That, I feel like you're making a joke. I'm not going to... Hey, how about that local sports team? Aren't they doing well? What was it? Oh, sorry. Travis Scott? Why do I know that name? He kind of just had a concert packed way too full, and a bunch of people got crushed and died. Oh! And he didn't do anything to stop it, and his apology was very disingenuous. Okay, yeah. Even after meeting with local police and safety inspectors, who said, you really need to try and scale this thing down, And he was like, no, we're good. Wow. I didn't realize that. I remember hearing about that. I just didn't get a lot of the details. Oh, yeah, fuzzy cord. I know it wasn't meant to be a joke, but even I was kind of tugging on my T-shirt collar. I'm like, is now the time? It will go and breathe a little bit. Especially, well, and the only reason I say it's going to breathe a little bit is because Is there still people that are dying from their injuries? Like, the number keeps getting bigger, and the amount of people suing him keeps getting bigger. Okay. And, voof, welcome to the stream, MPT3K. I'm not surprised that George hasn't been to a rap concert. Do I really give off the vibe of somebody who doesn't listen to rap all the time? Yeah, I guess I'm... I really like dubstep. What can I say? Just two weeks back, I had to miss the battle because I was in Green Bay seeing Vanilla Ice to a show. Wait, you went and saw Vanilla Ice? Yeah, he still puts on concerts. He still puts out albums. Do you know how many Vanilla Ice albums you've missed? Wait, as Vanilla Ice or with his heavy metal band? as Vanilla Ice. Huh, did he just give up at some point? And be like, alright, that's it. I get it. I get it. I will be forever Vanilla Ice. Well, we're now officially in the age where the 80s are finally kind of phasing out. So now 90s is the hot new nostalgia. That concert was packed. Huh. And shockingly, more people than me knew the words to songs besides Ninja Rap and Ice Ice Baby. Ninja Raph is where it's at though is there a reason to listen to him besides go ninja go ninja go he's actually got some bars I'd even wager to say he's gotten better okay and also he renovates homes so if you ever need yours renovated you'll end up on his reality show Alex have a great night thank you so much for hanging out with us and actually just next month in aforementioned I'm going to see Ludacris I don't know I don't know who Ludacris is is he an actor I feel the one with giant ears from the Fast and Furious movies okay got it got it that's Ludacris good to know Fuzzy Cord yeah when Jim Carrey played Vanilla Ice on In Living Color That was one of the greatest pieces of sketch comedy. Really? A lot of people forget he was on that show because it was mostly an African-American cast, but Jim Carrey is so Jim Carrey. He was one of the few white guys that left me on there because he was consistently hilarious. Huh. Jim Carrey breaks racial boundaries. Everyone loves him. I remember watching In Living Color a bunch. You can still get the box set for reasonably cheap, but it seems like apart from probably my age and everyone older, I really only ever saw it when I stayed home sick from school. They always did the reruns on Comedy Central. It was that and Kids in the Hall. There was this episode. FBT3K was just commenting on everything that Jim Carrey did on that show. A, I've heard people say that everything he did on that show is literally, like, he invented all of the things he has eventually done for the rest of his career. Like, every joke or something, he created it on In Living Color. And one of the few times that I feel like I saw Jim Carrey on In Living Color, it was a kit where he was a mama's boy, but he was such a big mama's boy that he was still attached. Like, they never disconnected him from his mom's umbilical cord, so he would just carry it around, and at one point his mom got on a bus and he had to, like, run to catch up because he didn't actually get on the bus in time. It was horribly awkward, and I was very young. Yeah, I'm surprised with the, uh, with the modern comedians of nowadays. You don't really see people mention In Living Color, but that was such a fantastic show. Very smartly written. Yeah, I think that's one of those shows that I have to go back and watch. There's a lot of those. I mean, obviously I have to go back and watch Godzilla and now Ultraman just to get a better appreciation for it. Oh my god, I can't believe we had Matt Zilla, Matt Frank on the show earlier. How cool is that? And he chose to talk to us while he was packing boxes. I know! Oh! That's true, IceKidoo. There was no... Star Power's not the right word. There was no ego there. Everything they did was just for the betterment of the sketch. If someone else was funnier, well, you got the line then. Oh, absolutely, MPT3K. but in my opinion, much like MadTV, which I hold in equal reverence for about half the skits, I'd say that no matter how much social norms change, there's always some terrible thing that will just always make you laugh. Right? Yeah, that's a really tough one, too. like, um, oh, man. I've played this game three nights now and the ball just traveling out still gets me fairly often. But the what is what's okay in a joke I feel like is is A, something that Bill Burr always talks about. Right? Like, that's part of his comedy bit is how limited he feels in what jokes he can tell now. let me let me extend the dollar branch if I can admit that ladies can you admit that every ass kicking doesn't just fall out of the fucking sky oh my god that that specifically like he even talks about it as he's telling that joke he's like look at you like the entire audience was already got all quiet like they stopped laughing halfway through like you're levitating above the rest of us like you're never knowing ladies how many times have you thought about slapping your guy in the head this week every day, right? But you didn't do it. And even now, as you're telling the joke, I'm like, I don't know. This Thursday, will anyone else be tuning in to the fifth and final season of F is for Family on Netflix? Ooh, not me. Not yet, at least. That's certainly not around Zoe. Oh, I'm still trying to think like Zoe still goes to bed on Thanksgiving around nine so I'm thinking I'm thinking I'm streaming on Thanksgiving ooh I don't know why why we wouldn't hey Rinkil thanks so much for that follow I missed that earlier that is appreciated I'll definitely at least tune in in the text chat for that I mean my movement marathon's starting in the morning so I should be done by mid afternoon okay if you're looking for some Thanksgiving chat, you let me know. Now that I have the wireless set up with all the audio, it's really easy to bring people in. It's not easy to keep headphones, by the way, in my ear. That's the tough part. I don't know if MPG can take a point. Oh good, some content for me to gobble up. Alright. Dice, thank you so much for hanging out with me tonight, and thanks for shifting to Tuesday, by the way. And Tuesday again next week, we have a battle coming up next week with Fox Cities. There is some great stuff coming up on TPN, everybody. Let me walk you through really quick what's going on there. And by really quick, I mean give me seconds. So we have another battle going on in your channel next week, George. There's a battle going on in the channel. So Monday is a battle with Fox Cities. That's going to be another tag team. Me and Escher versus Neil and Tom Graff. I think that's going to be a really, really tough battle. I'm sorry, George, but those are my hometown boys. I cannot root for you on that. You're not going to root for me? Oh, my God. I got to rep the home colors. I got it. I got it, especially since it's Wisconsin and you're probably the same thing with Green Bay, right? Like, you got to rep Green Bay no matter what. Honestly, no. When it comes to football, I am a Saints fan. Okay. Okay. I'll dig into that in a second. What do we got coming up? Speaking about Fox Cities, Fox Cities has a Black Friday knockout tournament that is November 26th. Three-strike knockout tournament. Practice starts at 5. I think they are going to stream that. The tournament starts at 6. You guys know how tournaments go. And District 82, I'm guessing, has a ton of people there. Joe Stope is trying to suggest that I build up earwax in order to keep the Bluetooth headphones actually in my ear. I would root for the home main professional football team, but dot, dot, dot, don't panic, wax. So that's going on on the 26th. Awesome thing. If you guys are done with your shopping or your returns on Black Friday, tune in to Fox Cities Pinball. That is... I got to talk with Tom. He's got to put his website or at least his stream name on his graphics. Because I think it's Fox Cities Pinball. Also, the Pinballers, PuffPuffGib, by the way, the Pinballers have their third annual 12 Strikes of Christmas tournament. That is coming up on December 11th, 2021. And mine was the third. I need to delete that. So those are the two big TPN Pinball events that are upcoming. Wait, what? You actually got to use Bluetooth earphones? Check this out. MPT3K, Bluetooth earphones. And I can go to two different sets of Bluetooth headphones. And I'm going to put this in here. MPT3K. Check this out right here. Bluetooth as well. I'm completely wireless. Look at me walking around. I can walk into this room over here. I'm all the way over here still talking louder for some stupid reason. I'm not farther away from the microphone. I don't know why I was speaking so loudly. But anyways, yes. Goran, welcome to the stream. Just in time for us to say goodnight. The key of the room you just went into, George. Why haven't you incorporated the Vigigames yet? Sorry, the what games? The Vigigames. Vigia. I don't, I'm hesitant to ask. You spent all that time getting all those great retro consoles and that fantastic library of games, telling us you're going to incorporate it into the stream at some point. And so far, we have not seen that. No, you have not. And I don't have, so I had to rebuild my scene collection from scratch. And I've mentioned this like eight times now. My scene collection in OBS was causing not running anything. I created a new scene in my scene collection, and my OBS was using 12% of my CPU with nothing on it. And then the system was using something like 6% or 7%. So I was up about 19% CPU usage, and it wasn't doing anything. So I spent that night confirming that if I built a new scene collection, which I did immediately, and just created a new scene with a new scene collection, 0% system, and it was 0.3% in OBS. I'm like, okay, there's obviously a problem with my scene collection. So I created a whole new one for this, which is what you're seeing here right now. This is a fresh scene collection created from scratch. I have a ton more work to do to bring this up to speed, but then I spent on my battle rebuilding that scene collection as well. Lots of work done there. I have a lot more to do, and I have to create a new intro video. Once I get all of that done, I'll continue slacking dice until I finally find a way to incorporate Defender. And MPT3K is absolutely correct. Defender is my focus right now. All of my non-pinball time is devoted right here to this Defender arcade game I just got, which is almost touching but not actually touching the cabinet of Godzilla. I'm trying to get better about Defender right now because MPT3K is apparently putting up something like 25,000 to 28,000 per game, and I am really lucky if I can hit 10,000. I want to challenge MPT3K. I'm just not there yet. in Defender, but I love that game. I am absolutely enjoying getting better and better, or at this point plateauing. I feel like I need to watch a video on how to play it better. Throughout your whole discussion of scenes there, George, the only thing running in my head was this ain't a scene, it's a goddamn arms race! This ain't a scene! Yes, oh my gosh. I love Panic! at the Disco and Fallout Boys. They toured together at one point early on, and I wish I could have gotten to see that. That would have maybe been it. The last time was when I saw them in 09 on the Blink-182 reunion tour. I've heard Paramore, Panic at the Disco. My God, Paramore too. Blink is awesome. I've seen Blink live. They put on a hell of a show. Panic and Fall Out Boy is amazing. Paramore I have never seen, and I really, really like Paramore. That would be good. I've seen them three times, and I'm happy it was the three times they were still in the business of playing Misery Business. MPC3K, let's do it. Let's have a chat. We should have that chat. Well, hey, we should have a chat, regardless, but we should have a chat on second stream at some point. I keep getting people hitting me up saying, hey, they've started streaming the videos on your YouTube channel, which which, by the way, I think is twitch.com slash, is it mysterypinballtheater3000? MPT3K, can you put your link to your YouTube channel? Because on MPT3K's YouTube channel is not only amazing content, but also a playlist with all of the second stream. Yeah, I'm talking to Surreal too much and not sharing. If I was a show that you two shared that you used to do semi-regularly where you got together and talked about these kind of things, Exactly. Cameras, text, setup, and all that kind of stuff. It was so much fun. Honestly, like any opportunity I have to pull Manu into something or join Manu on his things, I'm just, I'm a fiend for it. I just want to thank you so much. It is youtube.com slash mysterypinballtheater3000. That's the link right there. Depending on what Manu is doing Thursday, that could be the stream. Well, I mean, that's Thanksgiving. No. No, that's, there's, I'm in a situation where it's just me and my baby girl Zoe, as opposed to family and all kinds of stuff like that. So I'm not supposed to be thankful for that content? Oh my god, you can be thankful and Dice, you can, Fam Fam, sorry, yeah, exactly, MPT3K. I assume everybody else is, well, not everybody, a lot of other people are doing the family thing. But if you're not doing the family thing, I'm planning on streaming that evening. And Dice, if you find yourself intoxicated, full of what's tryptophan? And I'm guessing quite a bit of peanut butter whiskey. Peanut butter whiskey. Yeah. Let's make that happen. We can jump on. Let's do a bowl of whiskey. Man, I don't know what to play. You know what? We haven't played TMA in a bit, and I need to hold off on Star Trek. because I mentioned being able to loop that shot. I think it was something like 11 or 12 times in a row on a stream. I love, absolutely love that warp ramp. And Escher got excited because he hasn't played one. I think Thanksgiving could be the night you beat Reactor 9, George. Okay, cool. Let's do it. TNA stream on Thursday night. I got a feeling. Ooh, that's MPT3K. It's one of his favorite bands. Black Eyed Peas. Um, without Fergie. Uh, wait, did the Black Eyed Peas continue without Fergie? Yes. I have all the records. They were initially without Fergie, then they got Fergie, and then she left and they kept going without her. No, and that's not the case. There's this weird thing where Manu one day was talking about Stevie Wonder. and I don't know why but I brought up Black Eyed Peas oh because I had just gotten the complete record set of Black Eyed Peas in and that's what I was listening to and since then anytime Manu brings up quality music which I have no way of even, I should never comment on quality music I can play drums technically but I am not a musician by any means so I shouldn't have an opinion on good music. George, neither are the Black Eyed Peas. But, at the same time, I have like eight Black Eyed Peas albums on vinyl. I have no Stevie Wonder. And it's just not, I wouldn't go to Stevie Wonder for that. Anyway. I wouldn't even tell you where to start. You've got so many good records. Right? Yeah, okay. I'll probably start with Greatest Hits and then branch out from there. Also, though, I did get to see the Black Eyed Peas. So, um, I, I don't remember. It was a member of the band came over when I was watching Pretty Lights at, uh, the Belly Up in Aspen. And, uh, the Black Eyed Peas had just played at a much larger event in Aspen. And, uh, one of the members, I honestly, I don't know anybody's names, uh, on the Black Eyed Peas, uh, just wasn't done and wanted to come over and came over and started freestyle rapping, like, just randomly with Pretty Lights at the Belly Up in Aspen. It sounded awful. Like, obviously, these two people had never met before. This guy just wanted to come over and start trying to rap. Well, he's like, dude, just put down a beat. And the Pretty Lights guy is like, man, I've got a set and computers and what kind of beat? That's fine. I'm just going to play one of my songs and you can rap on top of it. It was very funny and awkward, and it was like 15 minutes where I kind of thought it sucked, but at the same time, it made for a really great story afterwards. Anyway. Manu wins joke of the night, by the way. Stevie just called and said he just can't watch your stream. I can't stop that. Nope. Yeah, thank you. It's a real stand-up comedy. You always end on your strongest joke. I can't beat that. All right. You guys, thank you so much for hanging. It's 1230. We're a half hour past the end of the stream. Have a good one. There's a lot of great stuff coming up on TPN. Another battle stream happening next week. And feel free to, sorry, be sure to tip your waitress. I don't know how to end that any other way. You guys have a great night. We'll talk later. Have you been inundated with ads and questions related to TPN's now famous homemade pinball pudding line of puddings? Questions like... 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