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EP23 Jamie Burchell My Journey Into Pinball

The Pinball Studio Podcast·podcast_episode·56m 32s·analyzed·Jun 3, 2026
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TL;DR

Jamie Burchell recounts his pinball journey from arcade kid to podcast host and venue operator.

Summary

Jamie Burchell, host of the JBS Show podcast, discusses his journey into pinball, starting from arcade gaming in Long Island and Orlando in the 1980s-90s. He chronicles the creation of an underground pinball hangout during COVID that evolved into Eureka Heights, a major Houston venue with 27+ machines, and explains how the JBS roundtable podcast came together with co-hosts Kale and Ralph. The conversation covers current industry dynamics, upcoming releases (Sonic, Fallout, Goonies, Circus Voltaire), code update frustrations with Pokemon, and the challenges of running tournaments and venues.

Key Claims

  • The old joint started as an intended pinball bar but couldn't get a liquor license due to parking, so it became a COVID-era hangout that grew from 6 people to 24 during the pandemic

    high confidence · Jamie Burchell, describing the origin of the old venue that launched the JBS community

  • Eureka Heights grew from two people (John Spades and Taylor) who met at the old joint and wanted to route machines, eventually reaching 36-38 machines in Houston

    high confidence · Jamie Burchell, describing Eureka Heights' genesis

  • The JBS roundtable podcast has done 13-14 episodes with Jamie as mediator and Kale and Ralph as regular co-hosts

    high confidence · Jamie Burchell, discussing JBS show format

  • Pokemon licensing approval from The Pokemon Company is expected to take roughly two years due to the company's size and low prioritization of pinball relative to their $688 billion market value

    medium confidence · Sterling Martin and Jamie Burchell speculating on Pokemon code delays

  • Jack Danger is considered the best pinball streamer at simultaneously engaging with an audience while playing

    high confidence · Jamie Burchell, praising Jack Danger's streaming abilities

  • Transformers machine had a rumored transformer toy that was supposed to move but was cut, possibly due to parts issues or rushing to production

    low confidence · Sterling Martin, describing community rumors about Stern's Transformers game

  • Eureka Heights is now at maximum capacity with 27 machines and rotates overflow games to satellite locations (Eighth Wonder and Equal Parts Brewery)

    high confidence · Jamie Burchell, discussing venue logistics

  • Jamie now runs the Pinball Studio in Savannah, modeling it after the old joint's successful formula, and has introduced ~150 new people to competitive tournaments

    high confidence · Sterling Martin, discussing Pinball Studio's origin and impact

Notable Quotes

  • “We had a strict no asshole policy at the old joint. Leave your politics at the door.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~05:00 — Establishes the community ethos that made the old joint successful and attractive to diverse players

  • “It was transforming. Yeah, I saw people picking it apart and seeing like the insert on the playfield and then it wasn't on the playfield and hinges. Actually, it did work was the rumor that's running around and that they had a parts issue or they had to rush to get it going.”

    Sterling Martin @ ~25:00 — Early community speculation about a design feature cut from Stern's Transformers game

  • “They're the biggest company or franchise or whatever the hell it's called in the world. They don't care about pinball. Give a shit.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~35:00 — Commentary on Pokemon Company's lack of urgency approving code updates for the pinball game

  • “There's never going to be anyone that can engage with you and play Pinball at the same time better than Jack Danger. Okay, they might play better than Jack Danger. They might engage better than Jack Danger, but can't do both.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~42:00 — High praise for Jack Danger's streaming impact on the pinball community

  • “If it takes over a year, say we're at Expo, right? And they roll out some Fallout, and they don't have the Pokemon code, people would just revolt.”

    Sterling Martin @ ~40:00 — Indicates community expectations that Pokemon code delays could become a public frustration point

  • “From just this little acorn grows a mighty oak. They got 36, 38 machines out. That's awesome. Houston.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~18:00 — Describes Eureka Heights' rapid growth from the old joint's cultural success

  • “I love when I go to tournaments and I'm not running them because I have no responsibilities. But when I'm running it like everything, it is like it's a lot of damn work.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~50:00 — Reflects on the operational burden of running tournaments, a common challenge for venue operators

Entities

Jamie BurchellpersonSterling MartinpersonKalepersonRalphpersonJack DangerpersonJohn SpadespersonTaylorpersonChewy

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: The old joint's successful COVID-era model of strict conduct rules (no politics, welcoming diversity) and community-driven growth is being replicated by Sterling Martin's Pinball Studio in Savannah, indicating a validated template for launching new pinball communities

    high · Sterling explicitly states he modeled the Pinball Studio after the old joint's approach after hearing about it through Jamie's podcast and Will's recommendations

  • ?

    venue_signal: Both major Houston venues (Eureka Heights and Pinball Studio) are hitting physical and operational limits; Eureka at 27-28 machines with full capacity, Pinball Studio capping tournaments at 24-28 to avoid overcrowding and restroom bottlenecks

    high · Jamie notes Eureka is at maximum capacity and rotating machines to satellite locations; Sterling discusses not wanting to exceed 24-28 people due to overcrowding and limited restrooms

  • ?

    content_signal: Video-based pinball podcasting (JBS Show, Pinball Studio) is becoming standard but introduces technical complexity; both hosts struggle with audio/video synchronization issues and quality control, suggesting growing pains in the medium

    high · Jamie discusses Riverside.fm technical issues requiring full episode reviews; Sterling and Jamie discuss video streaming challenges and the need for third-party tools like FaceTime to debug output

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jack Danger has transitioned away from full-time pinball design to a new role, representing a significant loss to the community; his streaming presence is also diminished, impacting content quality community-wide

    high · Jamie expresses that Jack was the best at combining engagement and gameplay; both hosts note his absence from streaming and design and express hope he's happy in his new role

Transcript

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0:00
Music Hello and welcome to episode 23 of the Pinball Studio Podcast. I'm your host Sterling Martin and today we've got Jamie Virtual, of the JBS show and we're going to learn his story and how he found this crazy hobby of pinball. But first off, let's mention the sponsors. Old Town Pinball. Do you need a newer used pinball machine? Check out his website, oldtownpinball.com. Also, the Electric Playground. Time to level up your game If you have a new topper, head over to their website, teppinball.com. And last but not least, Spooky Pinball. Order, well, order any available game on their website and definitely get on the list for the next one. Anyway, welcome to the show, Jamie. How are you doing, sir? Oh, it's great, Sterling. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate you so much. I'm looking forward to this. Yeah, man, I've been wanting to have you on the show since I kind of started this thing and a longtime fan of your podcast, The JBS Show. I think I've listened to every one of your episodes, even back when, you know, you very first started the whole podcast thing. Yeah, no kidding. Well, we knew, you know, we have a mutual acquaintance and well, Will's your buddy.
1:46
And right when we were at the old joint, Will started coming down really quick. Yeah. Like real early on. And what a lovely person. I got to give him props right off the bat. I don't know if he listens. OK, I'm sure he listens. We had a strict no asshole policy at the old joint. I stole that rule from you. Okay, we'll keep talking this out. But we had a strict no asshole policy. Leave your politics at the door. We had all types of people coming in, and we don't care. They're there in a safe place to play pinball, right? Yeah. When Will came, and he loved it so much, he knew that Christine loved bourbon, and he would never come empty-handed. Did you know that? Oh, that sounds just like Will. Yeah. Never came empty-handed, drank his own liquor. You know, we had a big liquor station for people to bring their own liquor and, you know. Oh, nice. Share. So what a lovely guy. And, you know, I'm so happy I get to see him at Expo and TPF because I'm not at the old joint anymore. So now I get to see him. And he comes to Houston Arcade, too, I think. I'm glad I finally got to meet you at TPF this year because I swear we have crossed paths multiple times or we've had to. Had to. Of course, I didn't quite have a face on you at first because I was only listening to the audio side of your podcast at the beginning. Yeah. But yeah. And then we switched that to video and now everyone can see this ugly mug. So there we go. Do you like the I've never done the whole video thing. Do you all guys enjoy the video thing like versus the audio or? Well, it's just more shit that can go wrong. Yeah. You know, and we use for the roundtable, we use Riverside. Okay. Yeah. I think I did that with you when I came on your podcast. Right. Yeah. Riverside.fm. And I'm having major issues with it. Really? It records perfectly. But if a mic goes out and there's some kind of and there must be something I'm downloading, Sterling, that I'm effing up. And I'm such a perfectionist that Kale will call me and go, did you even listen to this? And I go, yeah, I listened to it a little. And he's like, dude, the audio is shit. It's terrible. You got to take this down. So I have to take it down. But he's right. I got to listen to the whole thing. And I get lazy at night. Yeah, I don't listen to the whole thing when I record either. I'll listen to little parts in the very end. And I'm like, all right, it's good. You never know, though, when it gets effed up in the middle of it. Oh, I know. That's why Kael's like, okay, that's why Kael's so adamant that I need to be listening to the whole damn thing. You guys should try what we're doing right now. Of course, the video side, I don't know how you link it up because there could be a slight delay or something. Yeah. No, we got it. Riverside's doing its job. We just need to output it properly. And I'll just FaceTime Ralph and he'll walk me through how to output it properly. But I enjoy that show, man. Once you all put that together, that is that's something else. Isn't that fun? I love it. Wasn't that fun? So I'll tell you how the roundtable came about. OK, I'll tell you that story. Yeah. I didn't know Ralph. I knew Kale. OK, I knew Kale through Emoto. And when I was doing a podcast regularly called Arcades Across America with Ko, my first episode was with Ko, Emoto, and Rachel and Kale. And that's when I became really friendly with them. Okay, yeah. And we just clicked, right? We're like, yeah, I love these two. How can you not? And then Ian Jacoby is the one that hooked me up with Ralph. And I did a podcast at Expo with Ralph and I never met him. And then we just started laughing and through, you know, about six months of talking all the time and and laughing with the two of them. I said, guys, I have this idea. It's called the pinball roundtable. It's the three of us. What do you think? And the initial idea was that each episode it would rotate who was in charge of the roundtable. But we scrapped that and just said, Jamie, you be the mediator. We'll write down topics and we'll just go. So that's how it's kind of morphed. But I think we've done like 13 or 14 roundtables. Something like that. And then you all did that live one a few weeks ago that was like, what, two or three hours long? I loved it.

  • Chewy's Classic tournament in Houston draws ~100 people with a bounty format and $5 entry ($1 to IFPA), and Houston's weekly league is pushing 120+ players

    high confidence · Jamie Burchell, describing Houston tournament scene

  • Four people have supposedly seen the Sonic pinball machine but will not discuss it publicly

    medium confidence · Jamie Burchell, noting strict NDA-like silence around unreleased Sonic game

  • “Help a brother out. Because what's coming out here? We've got Sonic, Fallout, something from Barrels. We know Spooky's got Goonies.”

    Sterling Martin @ ~65:00 — Summarizes the incoming release pipeline as of the episode date

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  • ?

    licensing_signal: Pokemon Company's slow code approval process (estimated 2 years) is driven by corporate apathy rather than technical issues, indicating that major IP holders prioritize pinball licensing revenue minimally relative to their core business

    medium · Jamie and Sterling estimate Pokemon licensing at ~$400k-$1M revenue for a $688B company, concluding Pokemon Company has no incentive to expedite approvals

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern's Transformers machine reportedly had a transformer toy feature that was supposed to move but was cut, possibly due to parts sourcing or production rushing, indicating possible manufacturing constraint or scope creep

    low · Sterling describes community rumors and playfield insert evidence suggesting the feature existed but was removed; attribution is unconfirmed gossip

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Four people have seen the unreleased Sonic pinball machine but are maintaining strict NDA-like silence; uncertainty remains about whether it's 16-bit or modernized, creating community speculation and FOMO

    high · Jamie reports that four people have seen Sonic and won't discuss it despite being friendly; one person only confirmed 'I liked it' without details

  • ?

    product_strategy: The 2024-2025 pipeline shows heavy concentration of releases: Stern (Pokemon, Transformers, rumored Fallout/Goldfinger/Dracula), Spooky (Goonies), American Pinball (Circus Voltaire), with smaller manufacturers (Barrels) having less visibility, indicating market consolidation pressure

    high · Jamie lists Sonic, Fallout, Spooky Goonies, Circus Voltaire, and speculation on American Pinball, Barrels, and Stern titles as pipeline

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Houston tournament scene shows diverse formats: one-strike Monday tournaments ($2 entry, $30 prize), Chewy's Classic bounty ($5 entry with $1 IFPA donation), and league play (120+ weekly), indicating thriving competitive ecosystem with multiple entry points

    high · Jamie describes multiple tournament types and participation levels (24 at old joint, 100 at Chewy's Classic, 120 weekly league)

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    market_signal: Batman pinball is commanding high secondary market prices ($9K for decent condition); Sterling reports seeing a 'decent deal' at that price point, indicating strong collector demand and potential barrier to entry for new players wanting premium titles

    medium · Sterling mentions Batman 'for sale at 9K that was nice' but he couldn't afford it; both hosts express high desire for Batman despite pricing concerns

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jamie expresses preference for game code and shot flow over mechanical toys/mechs in pinball design, contrasting with community members who prioritize transformer/mech features; suggests design philosophy split in the player base

    high · Jamie states: 'I'm more of a like as long as the shots feel good and the codes fun. That's why I like a lot of Sterns. I don't care about all the toys. They look pretty, but does that really make it fun?'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Operators struggle to simultaneously run tournaments and stream; both Jamie and Sterling express inability or reluctance to stream while managing competitive play, indicating need for dedicated streaming staff or equipment at venues

    high · Jamie notes 'I can't do any more than like tournament direct play in the tournament. There's no way I can do streaming, too.' Sterling echoes this, looking for volunteer streamers

    • 6:35
    Did you really? Yeah. I was the one. I was like, another hour, and you're like, hell no. Oh, that's right. I was so tired, Sterling. And Janine was out of town. The whole reason we did the live was I was bored out of my mind. So I'm texting. We have this JBS show chat, and I'm just blowing it up like, let's go. And Kale's not hard to convince.
    6:57
    Right. Okay. He'll go live, you know, as long as it's not a Tuesday night. That's how I am. Because he'll go. So he's not hard to convince. It's Ralph. Ralph's the one.
    7:09
    Ralph's the prima donna of the group and has scheduling conflicts all the time. Oh, funny. No, but he was hanging out with his wife. He was hanging out with Cam, and she is lovely. Nothing wrong with that. Much more important. Much more important in maintaining a happy marriage than talking to those two idiots. Yeah, when you guys started that, though, every one of y'all's podcasts were already some of my favorite podcasts. So once y'all all came together on the same show, I was like, what? This is awesome. Yeah, it's fun, right? And we genuinely really like each other. You know, I genuinely love those two. And so I talk to them all the time. It's hard. I started a new gig and.
    7:51
    I when I own my own company, I could talk a lot more pinball with these two clowns, but I can't throughout the day. Like, I'll get my pinball fix at lunch. Oh, okay. Yeah, I noticed Ralph's kind of busy during the day, too, sometimes being him a chat or whatever. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that. It's hard. I'm kind of one of those people that has, like, five minutes free all the time, so I'm always, like, texting people. I'm like, y'all are probably at work.
    8:20
    That's nice. I don't have that ability anymore, so. And they just blow me up. My Apple Watch is just exploding because Transformers doesn't transform. And I'm like, who cares? Gives a shit. Yeah, I don't really care. I mean, I get it. It's called Transformer. Something probably should transform, but I don't lose my mind over mechs. I'm more of a like as long as the shots feel good and the codes fun. That's why I like a lot of Sterns. I don't care about all the toys. They look pretty, but does that really make it fun? Yeah, I'm a big fan of the way a game shoots and the code of the game as well. But yeah, you know, it's just a bummer that I guess the rumor is that they could have got that it was transforming. Yeah, I saw people picking it apart and seeing like the insert on the playfield and then it wasn't on the playfield and hinges. Actually, it did work was the rumor that's running around and that they had a parts issue or they had to rush to get it going. So I don't know. I don't know what's true, what's not. Well, Eureka Heights, that's your your hangout spot now. Are they getting on Transformers? Hell yeah. They get every new machine, you know.
    9:39
    They let's see, what are they getting rid of? Because that's the rub, right? Because now they have 27 and they only have room for 27 now. They're at almost max capacity. So you've got to rotate them out to other locations. And they have other locations. They have Eighth Wonder and Equal Parts Brewery. Oh, that's awesome. But those are small locations compared to Eureka. Eureka, they've blown it up. At least it allows them to move games around and maybe bring them back to Eureka at one point. Right. So that's always smart. If you listen to the back cast, I'll tell you that. Right. OK. Rotate your machines if you can. And so that's what they're doing. Fresh. But they you know, I'm so proud of them because that started at the old joint. OK, right. Yeah. Tell us. So we're we're at the I won't mention the place. Yeah, no problem. No problem. But at the old joint, one day John is sitting there. When you came to there, there were two people greeting you every time. It was me and John Spades, right? Nobody came in there without us checking you out. And we were nice about it. We weren't like, how the hell did you get here? We were like, hey, how did you get here? How did you find us? Right. Especially during the beginning because it was really, you know the story, right? It was just a, it was going to be a pinball bar. They couldn't get a liquor license because the parking was so bad. And if you've ever been to the old joint, the parking was just atrocious. And they couldn't do it, so they just made it our own pinball hangout during COVID. And that's how it exploded. And as COVID restrictions got down, we went from six to eight of us. Right. Because we had to tell our buddies, right? And then we went to 10 of us. And then 12, and then 16, and then we had a tournament. We had 24 during COVID. Nice. You know, and then once we got to 24, people were like, you can't believe what these two idiots these guys are doing over there.
    11:51
    And then we started streaming and I started podcasting and, you know, the rest was history there. But one day John was talking to a new guy and he started coming around. His name is Taylor. He started coming around because there was a buzz in Houston about the place. Right. Right. We had really created something pretty cool, Sterling. And I'd heard about it in Georgia. So I'm sure you know what I mean? Because and then we visualized it for people because not only was I doing the podcast, But I was doing the Twitch stream on Monday nights was a favorite night. If I miss one thing, it's Monday nights because real quick, Monday night we would the collection had over 200 games. Holy cow. OK, from every Zacharia game that you could think of to techno to play Maddox to, you know, Bally Williams to modern sterns. Right. So it was such an eclectic group of pinball machines that you would never get to play them anywhere else. And yet they were in a tournament. That's awesome. Which is really awesome. Right. So what we did is every month, every other Monday, we would stream a game and we did a two dollar entry fee. And this was invite only. This was our special night. Yeah. So we would invite our friends. They would pay $2. You couldn't play without the $2. And it was a one-strike tournament. Oh, damn.
    13:27
    Okay. And then the winner got bragging rights and $30, right? Like, who gives a shit? Right. It was the bragging rights that Donovan, that used to come to the place, he was the champion. And we all would gang up to make sure we had to beat Donovan. It was just the best night. And then you, as the audience, got to see us laughing and having fun. That's awesome. Okay. And I had my own streaming place. I had the place Wired for Sound, dude. Wired.
    13:59
    You know? I don't know if you ever watched the old Twitch. I did. I watched a few of them I was just like I said I was kind of listening to your podcast but I wasn really watching a lot of pinball streaming at the time It was doing really well It was doing really well I was really proud of it
    14:16
    But anyway, one day, John was talking to Taylor, and we really liked Taylor, so he got the invite for the Monday. And that's where Eureka was born. They both said, hey, I'd love the Route Machines. And from just this little acorn grows a mighty oak and chimney Christmas. They got 36, 38 machines out. That's awesome. Houston. And the machines are pristine. Is that pretty much the main spot to play pinball in Houston at the moment? Or do you all have a few more local spots? Oh, we have so many spots. Really? We're absolutely spoiled for the fourth largest city in the United States. Damn.
    14:57
    We're so big. Houston's an hour away from each other. Okay. Right? That's the joke that you're the cool thing about Eureka was inside the loop, which is the main part of Houston, like Houston proper, didn't have a lot of pinball until the old joint opened. Right. And now it's Eureka, you know. That's awesome. Because Savannah, where I live, there's hardly anything. There's one place and everything's like crap. It's done by one operator. You can't see the artwork on the games. And then there's like a bunch of bars that have them, but it's like onesies, twosies here and there. And still a lot of them are by that same operator. So we really don't have that great of choices around here unless I go an hour south of me. Then I got a place of 200 games.
    15:47
    So that's is that the genesis of the pinball studio? Yeah, I guess so. Right. If you build it, they will come. Right. There was nowhere to play. So, yeah, I was listening to your podcast and I was like, this place sounds really cool. And Will's like, yeah, I've been there. And I'm like, tell me about it. So we kind of modeled it somewhat after what you guys were doing. And yeah, just build it and they'll come. And yeah, I've got shit, probably 150 new people into playing tournaments. I mean, they don't come every weekend, but I've got them into playing. But that means you're getting a solid 40 plus every tournament, right? No, honestly, see, I'm more about machines, so I keep cramming machines in there, and it really pushes down my capacity on people because it gets, like, too overly crowded. So right now we're kind of capping it more at, like, 24 to 28 people somewhere in there. Fine. But that's enough people. Do I need a bigger headache than that? That's plenty of people. No, no, no. We were getting to 60, and Eureka gets to 50 to 60 sometimes. And that's a lot of people. It's a lot of people. It's a lot of pressure on the games. It's a lot of pressure. But, you know, with 27 games, you could have a lot of people. Yeah. And another thing is, like, restrooms with me. It's like, I need to build another restroom or maybe, like, two more. You really got to start thinking about it. Yeah, we only had two restrooms to deal with, don't I? Well, look, the bat only has two restrooms. Really? And, yeah.
    17:22
    Is there a waiting line? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of fucking people at the bat. I've got to come check out the electric bat. No, so I was talking to him. That's terrible. I was talking to Kale when Kale came on the show, and he's like, you need to come down one of these times when Jamie comes down. And I'm like, I do need to do that one of these days. Okay, so here's what I'm doing. Sometime in August, I'm going down for Chewy's tournament. And it's usually the end of the month.
    18:00
    And it's Chewy's Classic. And the guy Chewy's a pisser, dude. He's funny. And he's just a cool dude, right? He plays awesome music. And there's 100 people. And it's a bounty. So everyone gets a chip. You pay $5. One dollar goes to $5 for the chip and an extra dollar for IFPA. And that's it. And it's CoinDrop. Nice. I mean, how do you beat this? So that's a load of fun. And then you stay till Tuesday because you have to experience League. I want to see this crazy ass League. That just sounds 100 plus people every week. That's nuts. Yeah, I think they're pushing 120 now. I really do. That would be stressful to me. Because it's such a great vibe. It's such a great vibe.
    18:46
    That's another thing. I love when I go to tournaments and I'm not running them because I have no responsibilities. But when I'm running it like everything, it is like it's a lot of damn work. And I've always wanted to stream tournaments, but I'm like, I can't do any more than like tournament direct play in the tournament. There's no way I can do streaming, too. And then stream. It's very hard to play in stream. And, you know, at the old joint, the only way the stream turned on was when Jamie got eliminated. And I just told them that, Jamie, you know, unless it was Monday night. Right. But, you know, the other tournaments, I would turn it on when I was out because I couldn't do both. It was just impossible. I've always wanted one of my players just to be like, I want to. Could I like stream here for your tournaments? I'd be like, hell, yeah, you stream here anytime you want. But I've never found that one person. Well, maybe today you will. Maybe I will. If you're listening, you should stream my tournaments. Stream them. It's so fun. I'll help you. I just can't do all of the work.
    19:53
    You know, building that rig. I got addicted. I got addicted. You know, it's Jack Danger. Jack Danger is the reason that we have streaming today. Oh, I agree. I watched the shit out of his shit out of him. OK, there's never going to be no offense to anybody else. Okay? There's never going to be anyone that can engage with you and play Pinball at the same time better than Jack Danger. Okay, they might play better than Jack Danger. They might engage better than Jack Danger, but can't do both. I agree. Yeah, he had something special going on, and man, I really wish he would get back to it, but it just, you know, every time he mentions it, it just doesn't ever happen, unfortunately. I don't know. I don't know. I hope he's okay. You know, I hope he's happy over there. I hope he likes his new role, and, you know, I wish him nothing but that. But the best. I'm going to miss him as like a full-time designer because, man, I love Foo Fighters. I really like Foo Fighters. And, you know, X-Men had some issues, but that's still an awesome layout, too.
    20:54
    It's still fun. And Pokemon's great, you know. I've only played Pokemon at TPF, so I haven't played it since. Oh, you haven't played it? Not since. It's good, man. I play the shit out of it. It's shot good. The theme doesn't do anything for me, which, you know, I get it. There's tons of people that love that theme, and it's huge. Yeah, the theme does nothing for me. I've never owned a car, never opened a pack. I don't get it. I've watched my kids do it. But, you know, I bought them packs. But anyway, it is fun. They just need a better code. They need to fix that code. I think it's just – I think the licensing, they're probably submitting shit, and it's probably just sitting in someone's email just ready to read. And I don't think they're in as big of a rush as we are. I totally agree with you. This company is worth $688 billion. They could probably care less about this pinball machine.
    21:46
    How much do you think Stern is paying per game? I have no idea. That's a good guess. Say it's 50 bucks. I bet it's more.
    21:56
    All right, say it's 100. Yeah. Okay. Say it's 100. So what's 100 times 4,000 Pokemons that they're going to make? Okay. Yeah. It's going to get crazy. They'll probably make more than that. Alright, so they make $10,000.
    22:13
    That's no money to Pokemon. It's a million dollars. They do nothing. That's what I mean. They're the biggest company or franchise or whatever the hell it's called in the world. In the world. Yeah, they don't care about pinball.
    22:28
    Give a shit. That's never getting approved, dude. I feel like this is going to take two years for this game. You know, it's usually one year before you basically have the whole code. I think Pokemon's going to take double. Oh, yeah. If it takes over a year, say we're at Expo, right?
    22:47
    And they roll out some Fallout, and they don't have the Pokemon code, people would just revolt. I'm looking forward to it. And it's right around the corner. Yeah. Are you going to Expo real quick? No, probably not. A few people have asked me to go, and I usually just do one big show a year. So it's usually TPF or something else, and then I may hit Southern Front. See, that's easy for me. TPF is easy for me. It's two days off of work. Right. Because I drive. It's four hours. And another problem is I have, like, tournaments set up just about every weekend. I mean, I could cancel one and get away, but I don't know. I'm not a big Chicago person, and I don't know. People call it like the, you know, what do they call it? Like the people in the industry show or whatever. And, you know, I've met most of those people. So it's not like I'm going to like lose my mind over meeting, you know, George Gomez or something.
    23:47
    I just miss my boys, you know. Oh, yeah, I get it. All pinball shows are fun. All I want to do is hang out with all my friends when I'm at them. Yeah, and I just want to hang out with people that I've met in this hobby.
    24:00
    Genuinely very excited when someone comes up to me. I get embarrassed, but I'm Rob Burke has asked me to come to Expo at least 10 times, though.
    24:12
    See, when Robbie Burke is asking you to come, you got to go. I don't know. You got to have him on your podcast. No, I'm not doing that podcast like everyone does. I'm not doing it. I'm telling you. Yeah, you are. I already have a feeling that's what it's working up to.
    24:31
    Oh, I wouldn't be shocked. Well, let's back up to your childhood, Jamie. Did you play in any arcades as a kid? Like, did you play video games or pinball? Tell me about it. Video games. I played a shit ton of video games. Video games. So I grew up in Long Island, New York, Massapequa, Long Island, for the three people that know where it is. And they had a Tempest. I played the shit out of it. They had a Popeye, which I played the shit out of at these pizza joints. Right. You know, and our 7-Elevens had the Pac-Man and Miss Pac-Mans. Nice. So, you know, you would just, we would collect cans. Do you know what that means? For like change?
    25:18
    Yeah, because they're worth five cents a year. Okay, yeah. So if you went door to door during the summer in middle class America and asked for cans, they would give it to you because you're not out doing drugs. Right. You're just fucking collecting cans. At least you're trying to do something. They didn't give a shit when I was a kid. I was 12. I was pretty. I had some charisma, I guess. And no, we played a lot of. We played all the time. We would go, you know, ride our bikes. That's awesome. I was a posse and go play Tempest and all that shit. And then when I was 16, I moved to Orlando, right? Nice. Which totally blew ass. You think it would be fun. You get an annual pass at Disney and Universal and you work at Universal and it's not that fun, right? I don't think I'd ever want to work at one of those places because I would hate it probably. It sucks, dude. It sucks. Like I interviewed over there at Universal. I'm like 17 years old. And I wanted to do the Jaws ride, you know. Hell yeah. Be the driver or whatever. Be the driver, you know, open your smile, you son of a boom, you know. I wanted that gig because I could do it with no problems starting. I knew I could do it. And I got put in food and service, food and beverage. I have a feeling that's like all of the jobs there. It's like, no, you don't start there. You start like you can clean the bathroom. Yeah. This sucks. I was delivering pretzels to the carts. I was a stalker. It was the worst gig ever. But it was like $7 an hour in 1990. It's pretty good. Yeah, that's more than I got paid in my first job. That's what I'm saying. That's why we work at Universal. Hell yeah. Was there any arcades? Yeah, so there was a huge – that was the cool thing, right? Like that's when I first started playing a little bit of pinball was there's a hotel in Orlando in Disney World called the Contemporary Hotel. It's a very popular Disney destination. The monorail runs through it. It's this cool-ass architecture. But at the time in Orlando, the biggest arcade in America, they said. They had a shooting range. So my parents would I could drive at 16. Yeah. And we didn't my little brother. I had to get him out of the house. My parents wanted us gone. So we went to the contemporary hotel and played video games. Nice. That we did that all summer long and really a very fun time. You know, they give us five or ten bucks tops and maybe five. And we just had to make it last. And that's why I didn't play pinball because I couldn't make that last. I wasn't good. Yeah. I remember seeing pinball but I played it very little as a kid because yeah I sucked at it I just go play Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles instead Yeah yeah yeah You know my brother would park on the shooting range and you know one quarter with that air puff shit Remember that? Air puff shit. Those shooting ranges? Like the BB gun things? Yeah, they're not BB guns. It's just puffs of air and it hits this target. That sounds lame. It is kind of cool, actually. For Disney in 1990? No, that is cool. You kept saying shooting range. I'm like, wait, what? At Disney? Yeah. I was thinking like real shooting range. No, fuck. You shoot the squirrel and the squirrel goes upside down and it comes back up and you shoot the guy and he spits out water. It's stupid as shit. But they had one of those in the contemporary hotel. That's how big the arcade was. Cool. That's huge. You know, but I was more of a video game console dude. I was a console nut. So you had all the NES, Super Nintendo, all that nonsense?
    29:22
    Most of them, if not all of them. Were you a Sega fan? Yeah. So you're excited about Sonic, I'm guessing. I think so. It'll be interesting how they do it. Can it just be 16-bit?
    29:37
    Is it going to be an updated Sonic? I don't think they're doing the movies. It's got to be 16-bit. Like for me, I'm not a big – I never had a Sega, so I can't relate to it like some people, but I would rather be more on the nostalgic side of things. I don't know. I don't know if 16-bit Sonic can sell what they're looking for, so I have no idea. I know four people that supposedly saw it, but they won't say a damn thing about it.
    30:09
    Not a thing, dude. And I'm friendly with some of these people, like really friendly, and they won't say a thing. Yeah, I talked to one as well, and he hasn't said anything. No, he's not going to say shit. He said I liked it. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay, good. Yeah, that helps.
    30:27
    Thanks for the scoop. I've never been a huge Jersey Jack fan. I think they are getting better with Harry Potter, and I really liked Elton John. It just wasn't a theme for me, but I loved how it shot. Harry Potter's a little confusing to me, but I do like it. Yeah, but you should put more time into it and understand the code a little. For sure. Watch a video for 10 minutes. It's totally worth it because then when you play it, you know what you're trying to go for. Harry Potter's fun. It's a good shooter. Yeah, I keep thinking about getting one eventually. I'm like, should I get one? There's so many games coming out there. I know. It's getting hard. It's so great. That's why I love Eureka Eights. I'm like, yeah, keep buying, baby. I know. I need some more people within my group to be like, you know what, I'll buy some of the new ones.
    31:18
    Because it gets freaking hard. Help a brother out. I know. Help a brother out. Because what's coming out here? We've got Sonic Fallout, something from Barrels. We know Spooky's got Goonies. Yeah. And then Americans doing Circus, which they've already done very well with. But I don't know if they're going to come out with one this year. Who? American? American Pinball, a new game that they haven't already announced. What about Circus Voltaire? You think that one's coming out? Yeah, I think that's coming out. They've announced it. Yeah, that can be the only one. You can only do so much in a year, especially with a new company. I can't see anything more than that. But I'm excited to see all that. Yeah, and then who knows what Stern does. Is Fallout next? Is Dracula? Are they doing this Goldfinger? Who the heck knows? I keep hearing the Goldfinger rumor as well. That kind of has me excited because I really do enjoy James Bond and I only have a pro. It's like, oh, if it's really pretty, should I get the premium? Yeah, you have a problem, right? You know this, right? Oh, yeah. It's an addiction. And I'm so happy that I never felt it's an addiction. Yeah, you're just a location, dude. And then you got this awesome setup where you're borrowing games from one of your buddies, right? One of your buddies. Well, he's a very good friend, and he lets me have one of his, the Eureka guys, the excess games that they don't have a spot for. Okay. Jamie gets to house one. Man, Batman. So I'm housing Batman now. I want someone that loans me Batman. Dude, I'm so in love with Batman. I play it every day. It's been on my list. I'm not getting bored with it. I want that game so freaking bad. It's been on my list for a few years. I'm just not willing to pay stupid price. And when there was finally a decent deal, I saw one for 9K that was nice. I was buying another game, so I didn't have the funds for it at the time, so it sucked, but I'll get one one day, I swear. Yeah, definitely. It's a great game, great code. Lyman just killed that one. It's so great. It's just, it's perfect. Do you have, like, a favorite game or designer?
    33:23
    It's hard to argue with, like, Elwin Gomez, these guys, right? It's hard to really argue. You tend to like their stuff for the most part? I do. If I only have room for two in the house because I've got World Cup Soccer. That's a great game. I need one. I have the best copy of World Cup Soccer and I want to sell it and Janine won't let me. You want to sell it? Yeah, I mean, there's only so many times you can beat Germany, dude. I mean, it's just like... You're going to sell it and then a year is going to go by and you're going to be like... I know, I'll be pissed off. I'll be pissed off. You know how many times I've done this? I've bought games three, I think some games four times now. Yeah, I have a bad addiction. Yes, that's apparent. But Ralph does the same thing. I think he's only a couple twice now, you know, or whatever he does. That happens to people. Unless you have a massive amount of space, and space is not an issue for you, and money is not an issue for you, you're not going to flip games, but of course. But no, she won't let me, and the kids won't let me. The World Cup's their favorite. Do you ever see yourself buying a second machine and just keeping it?
    34:31
    I have a really small house, Sterling. And so as long as I have this arrangement that John's letting me borrow one of his machines, I just don't have the room. You can get one of those Wonderland Amusements. It's garbage.
    34:48
    I'm not going to even play it at DPF. Why would I put it in my house? So, no, probably not. It would have to be something else for me to go, wow. Like, I had a tough time giving Iron Maiden up. Yeah, Iron Maiden's a good game. I'm actually about to give it. I had it for six months, and it's all about the multipliers and stacking and knowing when to start a mode and when not to start a mode. It's such a good freshman effort. Could you imagine? That's your freshman effort? Oh, I know. When I bought that game originally, I was like, this game, I'm not even an Iron Maiden fan or anything. And the layout is just killer. I love it. And then I enjoyed the release as well.
    35:36
    So good. But I sold it to my buddy like an idiot because I sell all my games eventually. But he's going to bring it back, I believe, next week. So I'm going to finally have it back in the studio. All right, Jamie, so tell me how you kind of got into the whole streaming thing and where you're at with it today. I think at the old joint we got excited because we wanted to kind of show it off because it had great signage. There was, you know, just aesthetically it was really a neat place. And we kind of wanted to show people that and then show those games.
    36:10
    And then I got sucked into streaming Space City Open. Okay. Yeah, because I had bought all the equipment myself, and Jack Danger had sent out, you can still get it, his blueprint on how to stream. Oh, nice. I remember on his website he had a nice layout. You follow it to a T, you stream it in two minutes, you know, and whatever it takes to get all the shit. Well, I wasn't listening to Jack Danger. I was just doing it myself, and it looked like shit. And the guy named Phil Grimaldi who worked for Barrels for a little bit helped design Labyrinth. He or, you know, I don't know design, but he worked with Labyrinth. He sold me all of the Space City pinball equipment. Oh, perfect. And so I was instantly streaming.
    37:01
    I built a janky rig. I got his rig. So now I've got his rig and I've got my Janky rig, which I use some of his parts to make it not janky, and that's how I got two rigs right away. Nice. Did you build one of those aluminum box tubing rigs? Yeah, 8020.net. Nice. It's the website for anyone that wants to build one. And they got better aluminum now. It's a little thinner.
    37:29
    Oh, okay. So that's nice. They got that going for them, which is nice. And the cool thing about streaming at the old joint was that I didn't have to put anything away. I could just turn it all on, you know. Yeah. And whenever I wanted to stream, I could turn it on. Whenever I wanted to podcast, I just turned it on and I was there. When we moved to Eureka, I had to build this monster rig. Okay. We called it the Mega Rig, which we just combined two rigs because in between every other machine is a credit card reader. Okay. So think about trying to reel in a single rig. You can't do it. But if you had a mega rig, you could do it. And this is our idea, right? And so I started a whole new channel and it just didn't, I couldn't play and stream at the same time because it took me an hour and a half to set up even by leaving the stuff there. And it took me an hour to set down and they're already waiting for us to close the joint. So it just became a pain in the ass. And I was having so much fun with the podcast because I had just come up with the ground table around the same time that I left and went to Eureka that I was like, oh, F this. Fuck this one. I'm not doing it anymore. But my idea, I love and miss Sterling the live show. I miss that interaction with the audience because I had gotten really good at it, I think. And it's no surprise that I wanted to be on the radio as a kid. It's no surprise that I went to school for communications and settled on HR. It's no shock that I was my kid's announcer for the lacrosse team. These things. That's awesome. I have an itch that I have to scratch. Like my life took me in a different path and I'm never going to give up on this dream of doing something with my voice, you know? Yeah. No, and you're doing it, man, because, I mean, podcasting really is the new radio. It is. It's such a blast, dude. I absolutely love the pod, and I love when we go live. And we're going to make that special. We don't want to do it all the time. We just, you know, maybe once a quarter, maybe twice a quarter, four or five times a year, we'll go live.
    39:52
    And I think it's really fun because they can see. I want the fans, you know what I mean, our listeners to see that we really are friendly. They're fans. We really are friends.
    40:04
    Oh, it's apparent watching you guys. Y'all obviously are, you know, close friends. Just the way y'all communicate and talk with each other on the show. Yeah, bust each other's balls. Bust each other's balls. So, but I have this idea, Sterling, right? And you helped me with it. So I want to do so I I'm not since I'm not streaming at Eureka anymore. They're making me get my shit out of there, which is totally fair. Do you think you're going to do any streaming or just kind of calling it? I think I'm going to sell three of the Sony ZV-1s. I'm going to sell all the Axunes. I don't need the Axunes. I have six pairs of the Axunes Cineview HEs. What am I doing with those? You could have bought a pinball machine with all this money you spent. No shit.
    40:57
    That's definitely a premium. Yeah. I'm not exaggerating. Oh, I know. I've added it up before. Because I got the YOLO box. I got all this shit. But what I thought would be fun, and you tell me if I'm wrong. Yeah, go ahead. I thought it would be fun to do a call-in show live from my house once a month where people can literally call in to a Google voice number that I give them. And we'll just bullshit Pinball. And then I'll go play Batman 66 or World Cup. And then I'll come back, sit down, and we'll bullshit some more and take some more calls. And I think that's a Friday night hangout with Jamie because I want to do something just by myself. And I think that could be that Howard Stern that I always wanted to be it scratched off. I think Joel tried something similar to this a few months ago. He was doing voicemails, though, I guess kind of like Ralph's been doing, too. Yeah. No, this is totally Ralph's idea. OK, I'm ripping it off. You're going to use a telephone like Ralph? No, I'm not going to use a telephone. I'm just going to use my I'm just going to have my headset on. OK, yeah. Just look into the camera, read the chat, bullshit for a little bit, and then go play some pinball. Let see if we can get the Egghead Strat or let see if we can get you know Bookworm and Freeze and let have some fun I think that a great idea I mean I definitely tune in for something like that And I like how you'd be kind of communicating, you know, with the people in the stream and chatting with them live. I think it would be something different. Yeah, and take some phone calls like, hey, for the next hour, I'm going to take calls. Yeah. No, I think that's what if it's crickets? What if it's crickets? I'll just keep calling you back. I'll be like, it's me again, Jamie. Okay. And then Ralph can call you.
    42:56
    I'll have to line up my family. Your family. Catch up on all your family. How are you? My son. I could totally get my son to call. He gets a kick out of me. My boys. I think you'll be surprised with how many people want to call in. I knew when Joel did it, it was a little bit out of control.
    43:18
    Oh, yeah. Well, Joel's bigger, has a great stream with his brother, and I think they do Wednesday nights, right? Yeah, yeah. His streams are really clean, too. I love how clear they are. Yeah, you know, there's nothing. It gets Tom. When I first started, it was really Tom and Carl D'Angelo, Tom from Fox Cities and Carl D'Angelo from IE that were the loveliest shit to me. Right. All right. I'm like, how do you do this? How do you do that? How do you do this? Boom. Sent me the link.
    43:58
    So without them, my stream never would have been as good without them. Well, that's awesome. That's what's cool about this hobby. There's so many people that's willing to just help you out. Even when I was starting like tournaments, I didn't know how to like run tournaments or what the rules were, how to submit stuff. But every tournament director I reached out to was like happy to help me through all the steps. And it sounds like this community is badass. Yeah, I agree. There are some assholes, but for the most part, isn't it amazing? Most of them are on Facebook though it seems like. I know. Or Pinside. What is up with that? There's this new guy. I'm not going to call him.
    44:40
    So did you have any issues with... He just posts some shit on Facebook and some of it's wild. And I'm like, is he just doing this to be a troll or does he really believe this? But I don't know. We'll see. Wish him luck. Or her. I love when they have the fake names, like they'll post something with the fake names. Yeah, it's a totally fake name. I'm like, what the? You're scared to even show your face? Yeah. I didn't. In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have been Jamie Burtall. I probably should have been Jamie something like Jack Danger, but I don't care. I mean, who the hell am I? I've never heard Jack Danger's real last name. I imagine it's not Danger, but I could be wrong. I have no idea what it is. Did you encounter some of the old guard of pinball, the old guard podcasters giving you shit or any of that? No. I mean, I'm trying to not really do the same thing either. There's so many people that it's just news, news, news, news, what the rumors are. Right. And that's kind of what I wanted to stay away from. I just wanted to hear how everyone got in the hobby. That's really, you know, I do hear a lot of interview shows, but I don't hear so much of like, where did it all begin? Where did you, you know, get into the hobby? I hear a lot of like, you know, say interviewing like George Gomez and asking him more about current stuff, but not so much, you know, backing up in childhood. So that's what made me want to do it. And I used to be a sound guy, so I was like, ooh, I get to play with a sound mixer again. You have a very good radio voice. Oh, well, thank you. So do you. You have a very good radio voice. I have a better face for radio as well. It's just a stupid joke. I use that too often. No, you do a wonderful job, man. You're one of my favorite podcasts for sure. You, Ralph, and Electric Batman.
    46:34
    Kale is the best. I wish if I could be a one person for a day, it would be Kale Hernandez just because he's just the coolest dude on the planet. He's got like that Lenny Kravitz coolness, right? And he doesn't get really fired up about much. You know, he doesn't get upset.
    46:54
    He helps me with my anxiety. He's a good friend, man. He really is. No, Kale seems like an awesome dude. And I've been listening to him since he started on, shoot, I'm forgetting the guy's name, Jason's old podcast, Pinball Party, back when they were on that. Pinball Party.
    47:13
    That's a good podcast. Yeah, oh, I agree. It was really good for while it lasted, but I always enjoyed when Kale and Rachel came on, so I'm glad they continued.
    47:25
    Yeah, you see this industry, this social media, whatever we are, creators, you see some of us come and go, and it's hard. It's hard to continue, right? Because, like, I got a real gig. I have a real job. And so it's hard to answer, you know, people that listen during the day. But I, you know, usually take a couple hours a week just to answer comments and stuff. Because, hey, if they've taken the time to watch my shit, that's kind of cool. Oh, for sure. I can take the time to thank them. Oh, I love hearing people say, hey, I listened to your show, and I really liked it. I'm like, well, really? Awesome. Yeah. Do you have imposter syndrome like I do? Because I have it badly. No, no. Oh, OK. Good for you. You got that kale in you. There you go, Sterling. Young. I just don't give a shit. No, no, it's OK. I like your buddy that you did the podcast with a couple of weeks ago. Oh, Eric. Yeah. So he owns an arcade in South Carolina and he came on one of my episodes and he's like, hey, you want to, you know, talk some pinballs? So I think he's going to come on my show here and there, and we're just going to chat on some episodes. It's a good dynamic. You should continue to do it. I thought that was really good. I enjoyed that. Oh, awesome. Because what we're trying to do at the Roundtable, what I want to do as a podcaster is you're a fly on the wall, the listener, okay? And I want you to go, Jamie, you're an idiot. Star Wars is great. No, it's really not. Okay. And, you know, I'm giving my unbiased opinion. And somebody that's going to upset people, and I don't want to upset you. I just, this is who I am. No bullshit. Yeah. No, I've enjoyed the podcast so far, and I think I'll continue to do it. But I have found out it is not easy. Like, at first I was doing, like, once a month, and then I jumped into, like, every week, and I'm like, all right, this is hard. Every week's too hard. And then I backed up to, like, I think I'm just going to do once a month, maybe twice a month, and I'm not going to have any, like, strict schedule. I think the strict schedule is just too much for me, like every Tuesday. No, listen, you record when you want to record. Yeah. Okay? And if you can do that, then I think they'll be more authentic, right? When you rush yourself is when the authenticity goes away. I agree. Just do it when you can do it, and your listeners are going to appreciate that even more. Yeah. You know, and I love meeting them. Even though I have this imposter syndrome and I don't know why they're listening, I'm so happy that they do and I'm so excited.
    50:07
    Nine out of ten or 99 out of 100 are awesome. Yeah. There's always just one that's a clown. Is that something stupid?
    50:16
    Or crushes my hand. Oh, my God. The crush in the hand. How ridiculous is that? He was so excited to meet me. Crushed my hand. All I know is if I'm ever around you and this guy's about to shake my hand, please tell me to run or something. Yeah, I'll step in. Who does that? That shit drives me crazy. I've had a few people do that before and I'm like, what are you trying to prove, man? I feel bad because I busted his balls on so many podcasts about it. Does he listen? Maybe? I haven't got an IM, so I'm just going to keep doing it.
    50:54
    He's going to break your fucking hand next year. No, no, next, I'm just going to fist bump. I'm going to pull the Howie Mandel and just fist bump everybody because this is bullshit.
    51:06
    But we're going to record a roundtable next Monday. Awesome. Looking forward to it. We're hoping Sonic comes out before then, but we just don't see it. That's kind of what I was holding on off on kind of recording with my buddy Eric. He wants to record again, and I'm like, let's wait until Sonic comes out. But I think it's kind of a little further out than everyone thought. I have no idea. None of these bastards will say a thing. No, I mean, I did hear. No idea. I heard, you know, it's this week, it's this week, it's early this week. And I'm like, I don't even know if it's next week. So I don't know. I don't even know if it's good or not. They won't even say they won't even admit they won't even tell you if it's good. They won't even tell me that they were there. And I know they were there. That's crazy. I've heard people tell me they were there, but I'm not going to say who.
    51:55
    I'm a little loose lip. You don't want to tell me anything. Industry and time. Hey, there was multiple people there. You don't know who I'm talking about. Oh, I could probably whittle it down to five.
    52:11
    Well, Jersy Jack doesn't listen to this. At least I don't think they do. You'd be shocked how many people, how many listen. I was shocked when I went to TPF. I didn't think like hardly anyone listened to my show. And actually a few people were like, hey, enjoy your podcast. I'm like, no shit.
    52:30
    Especially because you're doing it audio only. Yeah, I need that. Because I've got my face out there now and I do all the reels. Right. And I was walking with Ralph. And, you know, when you walk with Kale, forget it. You can't even. When you walk with Rachel and Kale, it's the most annoying thing on the planet. Oh, yeah. Everyone's wanting to stop and talk to him. Everyone wants to stop, take a picture with him. And then what I do, sign autographs. My move is this. This is a good move is I'll offer to take a picture. Like I'll be walking at Expo last year. I was walking with Rachel and Kale and we did the floor, right? And Ralph was with us and everyone is stopping them. Hey, can I get a picture with you? And I always offer to take the picture. Oh, yeah. OK, because I love that they don't know who I am. It makes me laugh. It's awesome. Hey, I got a picture with you at TPF and I did not get a picture of Ralph. Oh, well, thank you, Sterling. Even though Will took the worst fucking picture I've ever seen in my life. That is terrible, Will. I gave you props for all the bourbon and you can't take a picture with a shit, dude. That was terrible.
    53:39
    I'll turn the camera to me and I take a picture of myself and I leave it for him. Oh, that's hilarious. I've done it like 10 times and three of them have come back to me. So that means there's seven people that I've done that to at an expo and they don't. They're like, who the hell is this guy?
    54:00
    It's just a stupid thing that I like to do. Anyway, sorry. No, no. Everyone knows who Jamie is. I'm wondering. So you think the video podcast is a good route to go or do you think I should just continue doing audio only?
    54:14
    It's much easier to do. Much easier to edit. Yeah. And because one of the problems with Riverside is to sync up. So I look like I'm in a Japanese dub movie sometimes. Yeah. And see, I don't have all the yeah, I don't have Riverside, but I could get it, I guess. And I've used that Zencaster. I can't stand Zencaster. No, Zencaster. No.
    54:39
    All right, Jamie. Well, I guess that's about it. But I really enough, Jamie. That's enough, Jamie. That's enough, dude. That's enough, Jamie, for all of us. Plus the Yankees are on and I can watch the end of the game.
    54:53
    Hell yeah. Well, thanks for coming on the show, man. It was a blast having you. And tell them how to find you and where all your podcasts are posted. All my podcasts are wherever you get podcasts. I use Buzzsprout. It just throws it out to everybody. And then, of course, the JBS show on YouTube. And think about if you're on Facebook following the JBS show. I'm trying to get to a thousand on that. That would be kind of cool. And then if you see me on Instagram, I constantly post reels on there. I'm addicted to it. I think I'm too old, Sterling, for Instagram. Instagram? Okay. Yeah. You're more of a Facebook, MySpace kind of person? Well, I should be a Facebook or a Friendster guy. Friendster? It was way before.
    55:42
    The five people know what Friendster is. Anyway, great talking to you, man. You're the best, Sterling. He's much younger, ladies and gentlemen, than you think he is. I'm not a baby. FYI.
    55:55
    I'm the same age as Joel. Yeah, there are babies in the industry. All right, Jamie, thanks for coming on, and yeah, I'll catch you next time, man. Absolutely. Thanks, Sterling. Later.
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    We'll see you next time.