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#008 National Pinball Day

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·31m 23s·held·Aug 6, 2025
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TL;DR

Punk Rock Pinball hosts discuss National Pinball Day events and pitch a dream F1 pinball game with online multiplayer.

Summary

Stephanie and Mike discuss National Pinball Day (August 1st) and recount their action-packed week including league play, a Kong launch tournament, and a home doubleheader with 31 five-strikes and 32 match-play competitors. They analyze the Star Wars (Home Edition) Edition at Costco ($4,800), defending its value and positioning it as an entry point to the hobby, then discuss Mike's dream pinball machine: a Formula I racing game designed by John Borg with Stern, featuring career progression via Insider Connected, team-based perks, and innovative online head-to-head play with cameras and microphones.

Key Claims

  • Star Wars (Home Edition) Edition costs approximately $4,800 at Costco

    high confidence · Stephanie and Mike discuss Costco Instagram comments about the price; both confirm $4,800 figure multiple times

  • Manufacturing cost for a Star Wars (Home Edition) is approximately $2,500–$3,000, not including box and shipping

    medium confidence · Stephanie estimates costs: 'it's got to cost over $2,500 to make this thing. Probably a little more. Probably closer to $3,000'

  • Jurassic Park (Home Edition) sells for $3,200–$3,500 used on the secondary market

    medium confidence · Mike states: 'the Jurassic Park (Home Edition) sells for $3,200 to $3,500 used'

  • Stern previously released a Jurassic Park (Home Edition) at Costco that sold well enough to justify a second home edition release

    high confidence · Stephanie: 'It must be because it's the second time they did it. They did Jurassic Park last year. If the Jurassic Park flopped, they wouldn't be doing this Star Wars. Costco doesn't operate that way.'

  • Pat Lawlor designed Shrek pinball and Family Guy shares the same playfield layout

    high confidence · Mike: 'Pat Lawlor. But he just really, this one does not connect with me.' Stephanie: 'Family Guy is also the same layout. They did a cool thing where they did pinball layout, but then they skinned it with two different themes.'

  • Star Wars (Home Edition) Edition features Insider Connected functionality

    high confidence · Stephanie: 'this one the difference is this one has insider connected cool if you don't know insider connected if you play like modern stern machines there's an app you can download skin into the game tracks your scores'

  • New Stern Pro machines cost around $7,000

    medium confidence · Stephanie: 'But new, those are 7K' when comparing Star Wars (Home Edition) to a Stern Pro

  • Ripley's Believe It or Not was produced during a financially difficult period at Stern

    medium confidence · Mike: 'I think it was made during a very dark time at Stern, where they were just scrapping and trying to keep the lights on'

Notable Quotes

  • “It is a real pinball machine. You could use it in tournaments. It would be fine in a tournament.”

    Stephanie@ 12:48 — Defends the Star Wars Home Edition against gatekeeping criticism in the broader pinball community

  • “Don't yuck someone else's yum. If you're a longtime collector, you should be happy that people are buying these things at Costco and you should hope it sells like gangbusters because that's more people in the hobby.”

    Mike@ 17:48 — Articulates a growth-oriented mindset toward entry-level machines and pushes back against snobbishness in the hobby

  • “Shrek. Nothing enjoyable about that game to me. Thumbs down.”

    Mike@ 21:02 — Strong negative assessment of a Pat Lawler design, a rare criticism from Mike who generally enjoys pinball

  • “if stern can get to that or whoever can get to that spooky can get to that that's like a game over for the people that can't.”

    Stephanie@ 27:07 — Describes online competitive play as a potentially game-changing feature that could reshape competitive pinball

  • “Nobody should design a machine because it's good for tournaments. It should be fun. Is it fun?”

    Mike@ 29:32 — Critiques tournament-centric design philosophy in favor of fun-first design; reflects broader debate in competitive pinball community

  • “You're going to start the game there's a certain number of combos you've got to hit to basically qualify as like your qualifying laps and based on the time you get you can choose which team you're going to join.”

    Mike@ 22:36 — Describes the career progression mechanic in the dream F1 game, introducing a persistent team-choice system tied to player performance

  • “It's going to take a long like even a good player to get to the World Championship via their saved progress. It's going to take them like probably 200 plays or 150 plays.”

Entities

StephaniepersonMikepersonJosh SharpepersonStern PinballcompanyPat LawlorpersonJohn BorgpersonLandmarkvenueTilt Amusementscompany

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Stern released Star Wars Home Edition at Costco ($4,800), a home-sized pinball machine designed to introduce the hobby to mainstream consumers outside the traditional pinball community

    high · Stephanie and Mike extensively discuss the machine's availability at Costco, its price point, and its strategic value as an entry product

  • $

    market_signal: Jurassic Park Home Edition, the predecessor, sells for $3,200–$3,500 used, suggesting new Star Wars Home Edition will depreciate ~$1,300–$1,600 within a year

    medium · Mike: 'A year from now, it's going to be worth at least $1,000 less. Like the Jurassic Park Home Edition sells for $3,200 to $3,500 used.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern's partnership with Costco represents a major distribution strategy shift to reach non-enthusiast consumers via mainstream retail; second release suggests first was successful

    high · Stephanie: 'It must be because it's the second time they did it. They did Jurassic Park last year. If the Jurassic Park flopped, they wouldn't be doing this Star Wars. Costco doesn't operate that way.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Punk Rock Pinball hosts explicitly push back against gatekeeping and elitism toward home editions and entry-level machines; call out online griping about tournament compatibility and 'realness'

    high · Mike and Stephanie defend the home edition's legitimacy, mock tournament gatekeeping, and encourage collectors to embrace growth in the hobby rather than gatekeep

  • ?

    venue_signal: Stephanie and Mike hosted a successful doubleheader tournament (31 five-strikes, 32 match-play) drawing players from Chicago, Milwaukee, and surrounding areas, indicating strong local tournament culture

Transcript

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0:00
Hi there. Hello. Welcome to Punk Rock Pinball. I'm Stephanie. And I'm Mike. This is episode eight, take three. Take three. We had a couple of technical difficulties, but we're back. I forgot to hit record on that camera last time. So we're doing it again. Yes. Even better. Yes. Bigger and better. All right. so what are we going to talk about today mike so we just had a big week of pinball we played in a league we played a kong launch tourney and then we had a double header here we're going to talk about that then we're going to talk about the stern star wars home edition i think that's what it's called yeah stern star wars home edition at costco cool costco's over there and then i'm gonna ask you you choose okay you're gonna ask me a dream theme it sounds like fun yeah all right yeah this is this was a huge week of pinball um august 1st is national pinball day and i don't think any of us really knew it but we had an action-packed week so yeah we had our second um night of league season two of league at landmark and that was super fun i did pretty good in that one i think you did you did better than me it's in like the top five or six yeah it was fun super fun and then a bunch of people who play in league we all got together with a lot more people back at landmark on friday for our monthly tournament and a kong launch party combo yep we Didn't do great? No, middle of the pack. Middle of the pack. You missed the finals by two points. I was actually totally okay with it because I didn't sleep really great the night before, and I wanted to make sure I got some sleep going into Saturday with having a ton of people coming over the house. So I was actually okay with it. Yeah, Saturday we had a tournament here, two tournaments, doubleheader, had a five-strikes tournament, started at 1 p.m. People showed up at noon. So we went like noon to almost 1 a.m.
2:19
We had a five strikes tournament and a match play tournament. Hardcore. Hardcore pinball. 31 players in the strikes. 32 players in the match play. Yeah, we had some people only played in the first one and left. And then we had like more than half of the people stuck around, I would say for the second one. And we had new friends and old friends. One new friend who I've been Facebook friends with, I guess, for a while, Nitten. I don't know how to butcher his last name. Borj Raj, I think. He drew this picture of me and brought it. It's a little caricature of me. And he has a couple of smoking popes right here. And over here, this is an alkaline trio. because I've played drums in both of those bands. And it's really cute, him and his 15-year-old son. I can't remember his son's name. He was really cute, and he had fun. And they finished kind of middle of the pack, and they're not real big pinballers, so congratulations, guys. It's nice to have you over. Thank you for this lovely picture. I'm going to probably frame it and hang it up down here somewhere. For sure. Yeah, they came down from the Chicago suburbs. We had a number of other friends from Chicago, a couple of Milwaukee folks came down. It was a good time. Yeah, Vin and Heather from Milwaukee. Yeah. A bunch of Chicago people. Yeah, it was super fun, and our prizes were great. We had a fun trophy of a sharpshooter. We had some cool stuff. Yeah, Mike MXV from Stern, he brought us a couple of banners. He gave us a John Wick banner, and we had a John Wick banner. and what was the other one we gave away? Two banners. Uncanny X-Men. Uncanny X-Men banner. I'd actually like to have that one too. Well, maybe. Maybe Mikey could bring me another one. Or maybe John Borg. I was in a Facebook chat that included John Borg today. So maybe John Borg will come to the next one. Maybe he'll bring some stuff. He'll sign a, maybe a John Borg signed Translate from something. That'd be super cool. That'd be special. That'd be super. And then we also had coffee from Pin Grounds in Roselle. Coffee from pin grounds, good coffee. Really great coffee, so that was cool. Yeah. And in our tournaments, let's see, Joe Sharp, our buddy Joe, won both of them. Swept it. CJ won the Friday night, the Kong Won Friday night. Joe swept the strikes and the match play. My friend Vince Griff, who's not a pinballer, he did give Joe one of his two strikes. Joe had two strikes in a five-strike tournament. One delivered by Vince Griff, who does not play pinball.
  • Mike purchased his Ripley's Believe It or Not for less than $4,800

    high confidence · Stephanie: 'But this, I think we paid less than what the Stern, the Star Wars (Home Edition) thing. Yes, we did.'

  • The Mandalorian (Pro) machines can be found used for approximately $5,000

    medium confidence · Stephanie: 'You could probably get a The Mandalorian (Pro) used for 5K-ish. I don't know if Troy at Tilt or Zach at Flip N Out Pinball have one right now'

  • Mike@ 24:21 — Articulates the long-term engagement strategy of the dream F1 game, with multi-play progression requirements

  • “so I can be in Bloomington and Joe's at his house in Peoria, and we can instantaneously connect on the line. And Joe can see my face on his little picture-in-picture on the LCD.”

    Mike@ 25:32 — Describes the proposed online multiplayer feature with video integration, which would be a first for pinball machines

  • Flip N Out Pinball
    company
    Costcovenue/retailer
    Nitten Borj Rajperson
    Vince Griffperson
    Tom Eatonperson
    Stern Star Wars Home Editionproduct
    Jurassic Park Home Editionproduct
    Shrekproduct
    Ripley's Believe It or Notproduct
    Insider Connectedproduct
    Pin Grounds Rosellevenue/vendor
    CJperson
    Sincere Engineerperson/band
    Jackperson
    The Mandalorian (Pro)product
    [name withheld pending review]product

    high · Detailed discussion of event with 60+ total competitors, strong venue support, prize donations from Stern, vendor partnerships

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts argue designers should prioritize fun over tournament compatibility; dismiss concerns that accessibility features (e.g., Harry Potter QR difficulty) compromise tournament play

    high · Mike: 'Nobody should design a machine because it's good for tournaments. It should be fun.' Hosts dismiss online complaints as 'mostly online people' with no real-world support

  • ?

    design_innovation: Mike pitches a conceptual pinball machine with built-in camera/microphone and internet-based head-to-head play, which would be a first-of-its-kind feature for pinball

    low · Mike describes detailed online multiplayer concept with video integration, variable game lengths, and real-time player interaction across remote locations

  • ?

    design_innovation: Dream Formula One game would use Insider Connected to save multi-season career progress across dozens/hundreds of plays, unlocking world championship via persistent grinding rather than single-session completion

    low · Mike describes career mode where players progress from F2 driver through team selection and championship wins across multiple seasons; reaches world championship after ~150–200 plays

  • ?

    product_concern: Even among top designer Pat Lawler's work, reception is mixed; Shrek is disliked despite strong IP and upper playfield features, suggesting design taste varies by player even within designer portfolios

    high · Mike strongly criticizes Shrek despite it being designed by his 'favorite pinball designer'; suggests Lawler wasn't fully engaged with the project

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Estimated manufacturing cost for home edition is $2,500–$3,000 (not including packaging/shipping), placing retail margin at ~$1,500–$2,300 for $4,800 retail

    medium · Stephanie estimates manufacturing cost in $2,500–$3,000 range based on components and labor; Stephanie emphasizes machines are hand-assembled with wire harnesses and hardware

  • ?

    event_signal: National Pinball Day (August 1st) coincided with unusually high activity: league night, Kong Launch Tournament, and subsequent home doubleheader, suggesting heightened community engagement

    high · Stephanie opens episode noting 'we had a big week of pinball' with league, launch tourney, and doubleheader all within a few days around August 1st

  • ?

    content_signal: Punk Rock Pinball integrates music recommendations (Sincere Engineer) with in-person performance potential, blending pinball and indie rock communities

    medium · Hosts recommend Sincere Engineer album 'Cheap Grills' and note that Deanna from the band may perform at their location later in the month if tour schedule allows

  • 5:10
    Vince also delivered a strike to me and to my son, Jack. So he was dropping some bombs. Uh-huh. Just chopping heads. Oh, my God. It was really super fun. We had the hot dog steamer going and tons of desserts and tons of great food and even better people. So I can't wait till we do another one. And Vince did say today that there was a fellow, Tom Eaton. He came from Champaign. I think Tom listens to the podcast sometimes.
    5:35
    I was talking to Vince today. He's like, I'm going to get that Tom Eaton next time, even though he's the nicest guy ever. Ha, ha, ha. I think Tom might have knocked Vince out of the tournament. So Vince is coming for you, Tom, next time. Well, it was really fun and just like every pinball thing that we've gone to, just filled with super nice people. And I think even the people who had never done a tournament before were really impressed with how just like welcoming everybody was and helping out and giving tips on, you know, what you should be trying to do on the games. It was cool. So I was happy to introduce the world of tournament to a few new people. Yeah, I gave Ruben a crash course on Beatles and he executed that. Flawlessly. Then I gave him a crash course on the Pirates and he executed that. And I know one of the last episodes I was talking about pirates is like, that's my machine and I'll beat anybody. And then I lost to my brother on Pirates of the Caribbean. Dang it. I was like, I shouldn't have been talking such a big talk about this game. I knew it was going to come back and bite me, and it did. We just got to play in the basement a little more. We don't play these games enough down here. We've got some in the family room, and we play those all the time.
    6:45
    Although I did suck on Wick on one of the rounds, and I play Wick. every day well so what are you going to do oh one thing we didn't say at the top too we do have a music recommendation oh yeah what is it it's gonna be sincere engineer the album cheap grills i'm sure you can't read that from there uh you can listen to that anywhere apple music spotify band camp i'm sure they're on there you could get the album from hopeless records this one is a green Galaxy vinyl.
    7:22
    Deanna from Sincere Engineer, I think, is going to come play some songs here maybe later this month, if it all works out. That'd be cool. I hope she can get down here because they're on tour all of September and October. They're going to be on the road.
    7:38
    But check out Sincere Engineer. I think you're going to like it. If you enjoyed the Beths, I'm sure you'll enjoy Sincere Engineer. I would have to say this one came out in 2023 It was my favorite record of 2023 Same because I think the best one came out in 24 Let's say that. If it did, like this was the best record of 2023. It's so good. It's a ripper. Great. It is a ripper. All right. So the Stern.
    8:09
    The Stern. Stern announced. Home edition Star Wars. Yeah. that, or yes, Stern announced that available at Costco, I'm not sure if it's all of them or just certain areas, they have a Star Wars home edition. And a home edition is a real pinball machine made from Stern. It's just a little bit smaller. And I think that it's a little bit smaller to keep the cost down and probably to introduce it to new markets. I know that we saw some home editions that were for sale when we first started looking for pinball machines at like the great escape yeah those kind of places that was like the jurassic park they had the jurassic park home edition i think this this star wars home edition is different than there was one out before i think this one the difference is this one has insider connected cool if you don't know insider connected if you play like modern stern machines there's an app you can download skin into the game tracks your scores and everything but i was i wanted to talk about this because there's this instagram page costco hype they have 186 000 followers they did a post about this machine and there were tons of comments along the lines of 4800 we could almost buy our own ship for that how about $1,500 and a hot dog?
    9:39
    Where's another one? $4,800? Heck no. $5,000? Seriously? And other people are like, that's not even a real pinball machine. It is a real pinball machine.
    9:53
    And $4,800, it sounds a lot if you don't know what goes into a pinball machine. It's not cheap. That's a lot of money. I'm not trying to belittle the fact that that is a lot of money for a lot of people. It's a lot of money. But these machines are like made in America by hand, like people with like screwdrivers and drills and like assembling wire harnesses. Oh, I'm going to knock my mic over.
    10:21
    But the machine probably costs well over, like somebody said, $1,500. How about $1,500? it's got to cost over $2,500 to make this thing. Probably a little more. Probably closer to $3,000 to just make it. Not including the box and the shipping. Just making the thing has got to be close to $3,000 to make it. Probably a little bit more. Probably more. I'm just going on the safe side. So it's never going to be $2,000.
    10:52
    Now, is it what I would buy for $4,800 or is it what you would buy for $4,800 today? No. Maybe not. I mean, if someone gave me one, I would take it. Yeah. I think it would be fun. It's a fun game. It's a nice layout. It's a real machine. It shoots good. It's going to be, as far as pinball machines go, it's going to be reliable. Mm-hmm. And I think for somebody that's, you know, a family that's not into pinball. It'd be fun for your game room. And they don't want to go searching around for used machines. Because we know it can be hard. It can be hard, even though Tilt Amusements has an excellent supply of used machines. Flippin' Out Pinball has an excellent supply of used machines. There's dealers you can get used machines from that are trustworthy. You're going to get a good machine. But we're talking about people that maybe didn't even know pinball still exists.
    11:56
    They don't know about tilt amusements. They don't know about flipping out. They're not in the pinball community in any way, shape, or form.
    12:03
    You're getting a pretty good machine for $4,800, and there's nothing else in the new in-box market that's close to that price. Not even close. Because is a Stern Pro better than this machine? Yes. But new, those are 7K. Yeah.
    12:23
    Bang for your buck. It's a pretty good bang for your buck. And yeah, I mean, there are certainly, for as many people who were shocked at the cost on that Instagram post, there's just as many pinballers who are poo-pooing it that it's a home edition also. Yeah, like, oh, not real pinball. It is real pinball. It's totally real pinball. It's real pinball. It's made by Stern. It's real pinball. Yeah. It's a real pinball machine. You could use it in tournaments. It would be fine in a tournament. It would actually be really fun. Yeah. And I wouldn't rule out maybe having one someday, but I would buy it used because most of the time, unless it's like a Jaws 50th where you need it now, most of the time we're going to go with the used game. We've got to make our pinball dollars stretch as far as they can. we're trying to accumulate a lot of machines as many as possible that's why i have a lot of stern pros sometimes there's a freemium better yeah are the le's cool yeah sure of course we want like what more but but more that are not pieces of shit yeah like we want good games there are very few that are pieces of shit though like i like well she's looking at ripley's the ripley's is It's kind of a piece of shit. You know what? I think maybe we've talked about this, but I think it was made during a very dark time at Stern, where they were just scrapping and trying to keep the lights on, and they did the best they could. But you love it. I love it. She loves it. It's a weird game. It's so weird.
    14:02
    And we film in front of it every time. Yeah. It's the feature. It's a crown jewel. Another jewel to add to my collection.
    14:10
    That's what he says. Try a ramp shot. This is another jewel to add to my collection. But this, I think we paid less than what the Stern, the Star Wars Home thing. Yes, we did. This was less than that. Yes, it was. And it should be. It definitely should be. Because, like, should you buy, like, this Ripley's Believe It or Not or that Star Wars Home Edition? Home Edition. Get that Star Wars Home Edition. This thing's kind of a piece of crap. But it's fun. It's just old. It was definitely a routed game. It is seen – it's seen a lot. Yeah, its best days are behind it for sure. Yeah, but I just really like it. Its best days are behind it. For sure. And we've been working on it. We'll get it up to – we'll get it going. Yeah, it will. I mean it's not – yeah, it's – I love it. It played in a tournament. I never had to take the glass off in the tournament. It played just fine.
    15:01
    Our old X-Men keeps getting the ball stuck in this one spot. Yeah, the 2012 X-Men. I had to come down here like five or six times to get that ball out, and people would try to tell me where it is. I'm like, I know where it is. I know exactly where it is. It's up in that.
    15:17
    What is that shot? It's one of the ladies, and it goes around, and it just sits on that switch. Maybe it's a storm. Phoenix? It's one of those. It just sits up there, and I take the glass off, put it back. But they're like, yeah, it's up there somewhere. I know. I know exactly where it is. Yeah if you want to get the Stern Star Wars Home Edition if you a total new and you got to have a new inbox I say that is not a terrible way to go A year from now, it's going to be worth at least $1,000 less. Like the Jurassic Park Home Edition sells for $3,200 to $3,500 used. So if you wait, you want to get one used, it'll be probably $3,200 to $3,500. Or look for a Jurassic Park Home Edition. But if you're watching this show and you're into pinball, I could give you five or six Stern Pros. That would probably be a better choice. So if you're looking for a pinball machine around 5K. And you love Star Wars. You know Star Wars. Mando. Or get Mandalorian. Or Mandalorian. Like a Mandalorian Pro. You could probably get a Mando Pro used for 5K-ish. I don't know if Troy at Tilt or Zach at Flippin' Out have one right now, but they probably will soon. Lots of options, but definitely agree, don't rule out the home edition at Costco. It's pretty – like what a cool thing. I mean Stern is really, I feel like, trying to open – like bring more people, expose more people to pinball, And I don't think there's a bigger platform for consumers than Costco that are like go into the store looking to discover new things. It's just a really cool place for them to do that. And I hope it's super successful for them. It must be because it's the second time they did it. They did Jurassic Park last year. If the Jurassic Park flopped, they wouldn't be doing this Star Wars. Costco doesn't operate that way. If a product like flopped in there, it's not coming back. No. So they must have sold enough to be happy. And then if you're like an old schooler, like pin bro, you don't have to poo poo the thing just because it's not for you. Like you don't have to be that guy. Don't yuck someone else's yum. Is that what you're saying? You should be happy that people, if you're like a longtime collector and there's a lot of longtime collectors that are positive and nice. A lot of you are grumpy, but you should be happy that this thing, if you're a longtime collector, you should be happy. these things at Costco and you should hope it sells like gangbusters because that's more people in the hobby and that's more people to buy your used game when you want to go sell it. Yep. Because we know pinball is addictive. And if you, the biggest thing is to get one in someone's house and then if they like it, they multiply. Like a year ago we had one. Yeah. And now we have 15. yeah so like the old podcast grumpy guys and a podcast old head grumpy guy you should be cheering up cheering for this because it may make the value of your used games go up if there's more people buying them supply and demand yeah we want more people playing yeah it's fun so be happy it's a brand new game under 5k good hope it sells like crazy case closed case closed with that we've got a you choose okay i'm asking you all right ask it based on the stern star wars home edition you can have one of two games you have to keep it forever you can't sell it you can have the star wars home edition or the older i don't know what it was the stern stern, Shrek, you choose? Well, this is a loaded question because you know exactly what I'm going to choose. So the stern, I don't know why I want to say it's like 2014, 2012. I don't know.
    19:19
    It was designed by my favorite pinball designer, Pat Lawler. But he just really, this one does not connect with me. The Shrek does not connect with me. I find it boring. although looking at the play field you'd think oh there's this cute little upper play field pinball thing with the donkey i don't i hate it is i am just bored and kind of hoping that my ball drains while i'm playing playing it because i just i don't care about my score i don't care about anything i just don't like it i don't like it so i would gladly happily accept a star wars Home Edition to add to my collection, another jewel for my collection.
    20:05
    I agree. I would take the Star Wars Home Pin or a Jurassic Park Home Pin over Shrek 100 out of 100 times. Yeah, and Family Guy is also the same layout. They did a cool thing where they did pinball layout, but then they skinned it with two different themes. They did Shrek and Family Guy, both pretty cool themes. Themes are great. Like awesome themes, but just – The layout sucks. Pat Lawler really just – I don't feel like his soul was in this one. No, he did a lot of machines. You can't be great every time. No. You can't be great every time. I mean, he's my favorite. He's your favorite. And this one – He's done some great ones. That's not it. Maybe he just was having some other things going on in his life during the time. Who knows? Don't know. But I don't feel like his heart was really in that one. There are very few pinball machines that I don't at least enjoy in some way. That's one of them. Yeah. Shrek. Nothing enjoyable about that game to me. Thumbs down.
    21:09
    Oh, my gosh. All right. Have you thought about what your dream theme is going to be? I've thought about it.
    21:17
    I've actually talked about it a couple times. Hopefully this one makes the cut. This one will make the cut because I see the red light on the camera. It's going. I hope I hit record on the audio. I think I did. I'm pretty sure you did. I can kind of hear it a little bit. This one's going to be made by Stern. All right.
    21:37
    Playfield layout by John Borg. Your new messenger friend? My favorite. Theme, Formula One racing. Ooh. Formula One racing. And here's the deal. we're not going to license take notes stern you know they're not watching nobody from stern to watch and maybe mike take some notes don't license the drivers that's going to cost big money i think like max verstappen he's going to be expensive lewis hamilton yeah we don't need those guys not needed that's going to make the game dated you know even like five years from now hamilton's retired whatever license the teams there's 10 teams you probably could i don't know how it all works you probably license it through f1 and get like one shot deal it's gonna be some really cool features on this game oh tell me about it it's gonna be some cool features first of all you're gonna start you are the driver like you're like a you're an f2 driver just like a like a freelance race car driver and you start the game there's a certain number of combos you've got to hit to basically qualify as like your qualifying laps and based on the time you get you can choose which team you're going to join some teams every team has a perk that's going to carry with you throughout the game say like if you join red bull you get whenever there's a multi-ball you can hit your action button for an add a ball once per or if it's mclaren maybe you get a permanent like 3x bonus multiplier. If it's, you know, Ferrari, maybe you get a button that comes up during multi ball that activates like a two time scoring for five seconds you know every team has a perk somewhere better than others And you can only take the top ones if you qualify good So that one thing it going to do With Stern Insider Connected you going to be able to save your progress as a driver because your ultimate goal is to win the world championship. Of course it is. You want to win the driver championship and the constructors. There's two. Ultimately, in your best season, you're going to win both. and you can do multiple seasons in your career via the saved progress in insider connected so if you play enough long enough and grind enough even if you're not a great player you'll get to that world championship which is like the wizard mode just like on venom like i can get to null the big boss fight i can't get there in a three ball game but like you can't continue your progress i can get there but this is going to take you even longer than getting to null in Venom. It's going to take a long like even a good player to get to the World Championship via their saved progress. It's going to take them like probably 200 plays or 150 plays. Whoa, that's hard. Maybe 50 plays if you're like a Joe Sharp but it's going to take me like 200 plays. Okay. So there's like a lot of replayability and then if you win it as Ferrari, you still got to go back and like I'll choose McLaren next time. So think of the replayability in this game. That's pretty awesome. Yeah, where you kind of want to do it with different perks. And this game is going to have another brand new feature that I don't know if Stern is even technically able to do yet, but I'm sure they probably can at some point. Or mentally ready for.
    25:08
    The game is going to feature a camera and a microphone, and it's going to feature online head-to-head play. Like NBA Fastbreak? Well, NBA Fastbreak, that's two games together, connected together, which these can do if you want to get two. You can connect them together. This is going to be online. Oh. It's going to be on the line on the Internet. Oh. So I can be in Bloomington and Joe's at his house in Peoria, and we can instantaneously connect on the line.
    25:41
    And Joe can see my face on his little picture-in-picture on the LCD. I can see his. there's going to be a special competition like head-to-head game mode where we're racing and it'd be like a set number of laps like maybe do a five lap race 10 lap race 20 lap race and each of them you know five lap race is going to be like a two minute game so you know what are you feeling like today joe you want to go 50 laps or do you want to go two laps i you know i got a meeting coming up let's go two lap or five laps so joe and i hook up on the line there i can see him he sees me and like he beats me at the five lap race and then we can start again so it's going to be online instantaneously head to head i'm here you're there if you want to get two you could just sync them up right together yeah but you could also do it on the line you can also do it on the line yeah that's awesome so they're gonna probably need spike three at least for that it might be a spike four i don't know i don't know any features of spike 3 maybe they're working on that that would be so so awesome like if me and you and joe and shelly could just play against each other like right now i mean if well it's i don't i feel like it's a matter of when they're able to do that really it that kind of takes the best of like what you can do with your gaming consoles like to be able to play with your friends online and i feel like if stern can get to that or whoever can get to that spooky can get to that that's like a game over for the people that can't.
    27:16
    I mean, we like the classics, right? But that's like a game-changing feature. Oh, yeah. And if you have like a camera and a mic like built into the games, you don't need like a goofy headset. Yeah. And like, you know, you can hear their voice out of your speakers and they can hear you out of theirs.
    27:33
    That would be something. Dream. So you ready, John Borg? You ready to make this F1 game? I feel like F1 would be the ultimate way to debut the online competitive play. Yeah. Because it only works in the special mode where you just pick your number of laps, hit it in, play. I love it. Yeah. I absolutely love it. It's going to be badass. I'm not into F1, but I would do this. So badass.
    28:02
    Sick, bro. It's going to be so badass. Yes, and tournament players that are like, like career mode, you can disable the career carrier progress just like Venom. In WIC.
    28:16
    A WIC doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter in WIC, but D&D. You just turn that off for your tournaments. It's going to be okay. You don't have to be huffy about it. Like tournaments will be fine. We're tournament players too, but I know tournament players had a big huff about like Harry Potter where you can scan the thing to make it easier, medium, or hard.
    28:38
    And at first, like five comments, what about tournaments? Can you disable it for tournaments? Like, who cares? Yeah. Don't put that one in the tournament. Like, pin bros, like, chill out.
    28:50
    Chill out. It's cool that someone can scan a thing and make Harry Potter easier. That's cool. It is cool. If you can't turn it off for your tournament, then don't put that game in your tournament. Whoop-de-doo. End of story. I assume you can. turn it off but who cares you guys take a chill those are mostly the online people nobody you've talked to in real life has said that no it's all online yeah people are so online like tournaments simmer down it's gonna be fine and if you can't turn it off leave it out of your tournament like you sure jersey jack doesn't really give a damn if it's a good tournament game like No. They don't care about that. No. Nobody does. Nobody should design a machine because it's good for tournaments. No. There's plenty. It should be fun. Is it fun? Yes, that's the mark. Is it fun? And is it more fun, like if I'm not going to own a Harry Potter for other reasons, but if I had one or for my avatar, if you did this for my avatar, if I have, like if my mom comes over or if a nephew comes over, I said my nephew is really good at pinballs. He doesn't need it. But if you could scan a thing to make Avatar easier,
    30:05
    Owen doesn't need that. Yeah, I know. But some people's nephews do. Yeah. If you could scan and make Avatar easy, that would be better.
    30:13
    It's just meant to be fun for everyone. It's more fun. Yeah. That's all I have for today. That's it? You feel better now? Yeah. Do you feel like you got it all out? I got it all out. All right.
    30:25
    All right. Well, thank you for watching. Please. It would mean so much if you would leave us a review wherever you're listening to this, especially if you're on Apple. We have like no reviews on Apple. Can you help? Most of the listens come on Apple outside of YouTube. YouTube's the most, but someone's listening on an Apple podcast. And they're listening this far. And not reviewing it. Come on. Help us out. Put a review on there. Yeah. Just say, hey, I like these guys. that's all you need to say yeah or just five stars no comment yeah we'll take that that would just mean the world if you're on any of the other platforms that would be awesome if you're watching on youtubes please subscribe if you aren't already like subscribe hit the bell yeah smash that button all right cool see you next time bye toodaloo