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The Pinball Show Ep 64: Forgoing The Lowball & Understanding What He's Got

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 27m·analyzed·Jun 21, 2021
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TL;DR

Mando ships, toppers discussed, Yowsey interview highlights licensing complexity, community celebrates McCarthy's Pin Clash win.

Summary

The Pinball Show episode 64 covers the hosts' recent Chicago pin run acquisitions (Tommy, South Park, Indy 500, NBA Fastbreak, Corvette), discusses Mandalorian production/shipping updates and code v.96, features interviews with legendary artist John Yowsey about licensing constraints and playfield design, and reports on Jersey Jack's new $199 GNR topper, Pin Clash tournament results (Zach McCarthy victory), and Stern's accelerated LE rollout schedule.

Key Claims

  • Mandalorian full production commenced after minor delays; location owners receiving machines and LEs rolling out early this week

    high confidence · Official Stern announcement via social media channels; multiple location owner reports of delivery

  • Mandalorian code v.96 fixes minor foundry issues and reduces super skillshot frequency

    high confidence · Craig Bobby news update citing official Stern release notes

  • Jersey Jack GNR topper priced at $199 with no integration (static GI only, no special modes)

    high confidence · Official JJP release with direct quote from Ken Rudberg correspondent report

  • Zach McCarthy won Pin Clash Grand Champion at Carl D'Angelo's I.E. Pinball event on Avengers Infinity Quest

    high confidence · Craig Bobby news update; McCarthy ranks 143rd on IFPA rankings

  • Tommy may be Pinball Daddy's best game, assuming no CHAT H code update

    medium confidence · Host personal opinion from Chicago acquisition discussion; acknowledges debate exists in community

  • John Yowsey discussed that playfield artwork licensing requires approval by reference inventory number; sometimes properties only approve one likeness (example: Gene Wilder on Willy Wonka)

    high confidence · Matt Morrison interview on Pinball Show Interviews; Yowsey explicitly stated licensing constraints

  • Funhaus originally had a playfield clock that was scrapped and replaced with center inserts showing time; later a working physical clock was used in Twilight Zone

    medium confidence · John Yowsey interview discussion; host acknowledges possible prior mention in Pat Lawler interview

  • Mandalorian shooter rod, art blades, and armor ordered items slated for August production

    high confidence · Direct statement from Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball regarding accessory rollout

  • Stern experimenting with new Pro/Premium/LE rollout tactics to test market response

Notable Quotes

  • “This is the way!”

    Host (Zach) @ Mandalorian shipping news section — Celebratory affirmation of Mandalorian shipping milestone; doubles as Mandalorian catchphrase reference

  • “I don't just add anything except for Everbrain Eastern... they've got to be minty. Minty fresh. Double mint.”

    Host (Zach) @ Chicago acquisitions discussion — Establishes personal collection standards; humor about mint condition obsession in retro market

  • “It's not as simple as just choosing what part of the film you can reproduce as art... properties such as Willy Wonka are a good example of that... sometimes they only approve like one likeness.”

    John Yowsey (Artist) @ Pinball Show Interviews segment — Rare insider perspective on IP licensing constraints affecting game design; explains Gene Wilder art uniformity issue

  • “I just create the art and I send it in... I don't know of any of this stuff [about trapping holes/posts].”

    John Yowsey (Artist) @ Trapping the holes discussion — Indicates disconnect between playfield artists and technical teams on functional design considerations

  • “The topper king is an idiot. My dumb ass forgot that very much like the Jurassic Park topper, collecting letters on Jurassic Park or jewels are progressive.”

    Zach (Host/Flippin' Out Pinball owner) @ Avengers topper brain fart section — Self-deprecating acknowledgment of shipping a replacement topper unnecessarily; revealed progressive gem mechanic misunderstanding

  • “I liked it. The assets and video clips and animation are top-notch, probably one of Stern's best. Didn't see that one coming.”

    Host (Zach) @ Mandalorian first impressions — Positive assessment of Mandalorian production quality; surprise at animation quality standard

  • “Hashtag wait, wait, wait.”

    Host (Zach/Dennis) @ LE rollout strategy discussion — New catchphrase emerging for delaying topper/accessory purchases to avoid FOMO; became recurring theme

Entities

Zach McCarthypersonDennispersonJohn YowseypersonMatt MorrisonpersonStern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyFlippin' Out PinballcompanyThe Pinball ShoworganizationThe Pinball Show Interviews

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Pro home buyer community expressing frustration ('We hate you Zach') with accelerated LE rollout timing; perception that new Pro machines becoming outdated quickly as LE variants ship soon after; mirrors earlier pricing concerns about three-tier model sustainability

    medium · Zach: 'Experimenting always hurts me Because everybody that bought a pro for their home Is like We hate you Zach Why do we have to wait Now we have to buy a GNR topper'

  • ?

    event_signal: Pin Clash tournament held by Carl D'Angelo's I.E. Pinball featuring top players (Raymond Davidson, Travis Murray, Dr. John Cosson) on Avengers Infinity Quest; Zach McCarthy achieved upset victory; tournament crossed 200 listener mark on podcast

    high · Craig Bobby: 'Carl d'angelo's i.e pinball's annual pin clash event that aired this past saturday... Spoiler alert, a belated congratulations to Zach McCarthy as he walked away with a surprising upset victory'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Mandalorian horseshoe loop shot exits with intentional randomness that works well competitively despite concerns; randomness is feature not bug; shot becomes favorite despite appearing to violate calculated competitive design philosophy

    medium · Zach: 'The randomness there... actually works... competitive players are like, everything must be calculated... but no, it kind of works. I like it. The horseshoe loop... my favorite shot in the game'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Playfield artwork artists (like John Yowsey) operate with limited visibility into technical integration requirements; artists create and submit artwork without full understanding of how it relates to playfield mechanics like post placement ('trapping the holes')

    medium · Matt Morrison question about playfield post clearance/artwork placement; Yowsey response: 'it almost felt like Yowsey was out in the wilderness, And he was like, I don't know. I just create the art and I send it in. Yeah, it seemed like he wasn't really sure what they did around the posts'

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:11
The Pinball Network is online. Launching, The Pinball Show. Hot off the press, The Pinball Show, giving you the news and the laughs in pinball this week. Today on episode 64, Dennis and I discuss two new mint pieces introduced into my collection. The afterthought that is Father's Day. Trapping the Holes. G&R Topper. Mandalorian production and shipping schedule. The Topper King's AIQ brain fart. Hot Mando takes and first impressions. Dwight Sullivan's new moniker and another theme song. Bill Burr. Dwight being such a delt. Inside info on CGC accessories. A new number one in competitive pinball and consequently a new nickname. pin clashing 24 karat gold toppers pinball market trends phony pinball scam sites deals of the what the breath the upcoming apparel collection and much more oh and mr hypocrisy ban me all you want hide behind your paywall if you can't take the heat then stay out of the podcast kitchen let's go pinball is a game of skill for some it's a passion and a lifestyle it's time for the pinball show it's pinball with personality I know she tried down for games company you know i think a lot of people dennis liked our last episode episode 63 two weeks ago with all the ash android references i think people people really took a liking to my rendition of alien and alien the the i've loaded up the script and i'm reading the quotes redemption yeah you're you're like uh you're like uh marlin brando when he didn't want to learn his lines and just reading off cards. Am I Pinball's Brando? Yeah.
2:42
That's a dangerous thing to respond to. It is. That clearly puts you up on a pedestal, but also quite a height to fall from, too. Yeah, very much so. People did like our autotune edition of Market Trends. Did you get a kick out of that? Not really, but I knew people would lap that up, the common folk that they are. I will say that I was wrong. You were correct that T-Pain can do better than sing. He can sing. T-Pain can sing. He was good. Yeah, the auto-tune is just a part of the stick for his performances. So I'll put him in the share category. Now, this last week, listener, I took a trip up to Chicago, did a pin run, with my dear partner and wife, Nicole.

medium confidence · Zach commentary on accelerated LE schedule; stated reasoning unclear but acknowledging intentional strategy shift

  • Pirates of the Caribbean pinball had limited run (only 1,000 sold) and was dropped early from production

    medium confidence · Host claim during topper discussion; referenced as context for why game garnered little attention

  • “Spooky gives their toppers away for free, so it's all relative.”

    Host (Dennis/Zach) @ GNR topper pricing discussion — Contextualizes JJP's $199 price point relative to competitor pricing strategies (Spooky free vs. other expensive toppers)

  • “I've played some Mandalorian, and then I gave it away. I've put probably 25 games on this thing... The sound and speech will be a highlight that you are not expecting.”

    Host (Zach) @ Mandalorian impressions section — First substantive player feedback on audio quality; indicates sound design as differentiator

  • “He was at the barcade talking to a barfly... The old drunk drinking bush light [fixed the topper].”

    Host (Zach) @ Avengers topper anecdote — Humorous story highlighting community knowledge distribution and self-taught troubleshooting; sets up job offer joke

    • organization
    Pin Clashevent
    Mandaloriangame
    Guns N' Rosesgame
    Avengers Infinity Questgame
    Willy Wonkagame
    Funhausgame
    Twilight Zonegame
    Tommygame
    South Parkgame
    Pirates of the Caribbeangame
    Rick and Mortygame
    Carl D'Angeloperson
    Zach Minneyperson
    Nicoleperson
    Travis Murrayperson
  • ?

    licensing_signal: IP licensing requires approval via reference inventory number for each reproduced image; properties sometimes restrict approval to single likeness (example: Willy Wonka Gene Wilder); artists cannot redraw in stylized fashion but must use provided assets; constraints largely unknown to artist community

    high · John Yowsey interview quote: 'you have to have a reference inventory number for reproducing any of these art images... sometimes they only approve like one likeness... he couldn't redraw them in a stylized fashion'

  • $

    market_signal: Jersey Jack $199 GNR topper priced significantly lower than typical official toppers; described as affordable alternative to expensive aftermarket toppers; selling well despite perceived brand positioning as 'expensive company'

    high · Ken Rudberg: 'This topper will be selling for $199. This will be a much more affordable option' and Zach: '$199 plus tax and shipping, they're selling very well. I can say that'

  • ?

    announcement: Stern officially announces Mandalorian full production commenced after minor delays; social media video posted; location owners receiving machines; LEs rolling out this week

    high · Craig Bobby news update: 'Stern posted a video on their social media channels channels officially telling the world and anxious buyers that full production had finally commenced after very minor delays'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Mandalorian experienced 'very minor delays' before full production commenced; accessory items (shooter rod, art blades, armor) pushed to August production; indicates potential supply chain/production capacity constraints or code completion dependencies

    medium · Craig Bobby: 'full production had finally commenced after very minor delays' and Zach: 'Mandalorian shooter rod, art blades, and armor that many of you have ordered is slated for August production'

  • ?

    product_concern: Avengers topper design includes progressive gem mechanic where obtained gems stay lit (feature, not defect); triggered confusion and unnecessary replacement unit shipped; mechanic similar to Jurassic Park topper design but not clearly documented

    high · Zach: 'I forgot that very much like the Jurassic Park topper, collecting letters... or jewels are progressive. So when you obtain a gem, it stays lit... There's nothing wrong with it. It was just progressively kept that gem. Such an idiot.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Mandalorian shooter rod, art blades, and armor accessories slated for August production rollout

    high · Zach statement: 'Mandalorian shooter rod, art blades, and armor that many of you have ordered is slated for August production'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community perception of toppers shifting toward affordability as Spooky provides free toppers and Jersey Jack introduces $199 option; previously high-priced toppers (several hundred dollars) normalized; hosts acknowledge FOMO-driven secondary market premiums unsustainable

    medium · Zach: 'People that don't typically buy toppers are like, well, shit, finally. Okay, I can get down with $199' and Dennis: 'Spooky gives their toppers away for free, so it's all relative'

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern accelerating Pro/Premium/LE rollout schedule; LEs shipping weeks after Premium; described as 'new rollout tactic' with 'experimenting' phase to test market response; acknowledged to hurt Pro home buyers forced to wait or purchase LE toppers

    high · Zach: 'Really quick on the premium at the end of June, beginning of July. It's a new rollout tactic here... Experimenting always hurts me... everybody that bought a pro for their home Is like We hate you Zach'

    • 3:30
    A flipping out pinball? A flipping out pinball, yes, right. I like her little bike desk. She cracked me up. I didn't even know that was coming.
    3:39
    Walked upstairs, listener, and my wife was doing some flipping out paperwork, but she was sitting on a weird desk because it had, like, the pedals. And it was a bike, but it was a desk. It was a bike desk.
    3:52
    I wanted to send her an animated GIF from Galaxy Quest with the pilot guy going, pedal to the metal, but I could not find one. Oh, poor pedal to the metal Galaxy Quest reference. She would have no clue. And I thought, I don't even know if she's seen that movie. If she's married to me, she'd have no clue about that. Come on. You know better than that. I barely remember that movie. Good movie. It's a good movie. Galaxy Quest should get a pinball machine. No one ever talks about that. And it's probably because with Alan Rickman being deceased, we would lose our best call outs. But Sigourney Weaver could do the call. See, there, I've tied it back to Alien. Orby once called me. I remember when he identified everybody in the Harry Potter universe in pinball media, and I was... I do not remember this. Are you sure it happened? Yes, I was Professor Snape. Yeah, because you brew evil potions. I was actually good with that. I was good with that because Snape's a good guy.
    4:41
    Everybody thinks he's a bad guy. He's a good guy. What good is being good if everyone thinks you're bad? It's about justice. It's about integrity. Justice or revenge.
    4:54
    That's a line from Clash of the Titans, the 82 version. I was going to say, I've barely seen the newer version. So Chicago this last week, I picked up some pins. A little South Park. You like South Park? No, actually, I don't. Not the pin. Allergic to fun again. Okay. It's so easy, that shot, that center, like the toilet shot or whatnot. I played it at TPF, and maybe they had it set up too easy. No, it's a simple shooter. I just had to walk away from it. Ouch. I mean, I let it drain so not to, you know, cheat the next, confuse the next person or cheat the next person or whatever. Oh, of course. But I was just like, this is just, I'm just, I'm making the shot. I can't drain to save my life. So, I mean, the humor was okay. It was just, yeah, the layout was way too basic. What about Tommy? I picked up a Tommy. Tommy, very good. Actually, I have enjoyed, I've only played it a few times, but I have enjoyed it. In fact, I think you could have a strong argument that Tommy might be Daddy's best game. I've heard a lot of people argue that, actually. Assuming no chat H code update. So you had to go with base Data East software. Tommy may be the best. I do have the chat ROM as well. I haven't installed that yet. It didn't come with a topper, which was a big fucking letdown. I'm not going to lie. It's incomplete, but nice. I heard that. I mean, those toppers are difficult because then they make them all out of gold and people touch them and they felt. Oh, wait. It's a different story. Sorry. I'm a blend of my stories. What gives that point? So we got Tommy. That's a fun shooter. I don't know when the blinders come out. The owner said it worked, but I have to test that. Yeah, I never got the blinders to come. And again, I don't know if they didn't work or what. Yeah, so I don't know about that. Indy 500, picked up an Indy 500. A lot of people love that game. I'm not a huge fan of it. Yeah, it's okay. It feels like a lot of the same shot. Yes, yeah, that's a good analogy.
    6:45
    A good summary. Loop and lock. Jackpot ramp, loop and lock. and then I picked up two games that will actually be added to my own personal collection. And this is big. This is big. I don't just add anything except for Everbrain Eastern.
    7:03
    Yeah, how's your Mando? We'll get into that. Oh, forgot about that one. A little gone. I put into the collection, remember, listener, they've got to be minty. Minty fresh. Double mint. We know your flex standards. Yes, this is flex-worthy. NBA Fastbreak. Okay. Historically a parts machine, but okay. This one, if you use this as a parts machine, it'd be like going to the Marco shelves. Oh, no one uses them anymore. I like NBA Fastbreak just fine. I mean, it's no hoops, but it's okay. I need to see if they made a single topper. I know they made a double topper banner, but I'm going to need a topper for that one. And the other one was another George Gomez. His first design, a minty fresh Corvette. I like Corvette a lot more than I do the 8500. Oh, the 8500. Yes, I do as well. I like Corvette more than Fastbreak, too, but I like Corvette quite a bit. Corvette is sneaky greatness. It's really good. It's a lot of fun. A lot of mechs in there. So, yeah, those two George Gomez pieces are going into my Bally Williams Minty collection. Well, I think the Corvette should at least. Okay, that's fair. So, yeah, I get that. What else did I? Oh, yeah, I went on the Triple Drain Pinball Podcast with Travis Murray, Joel Engelberth, and Tom Graff. They used to call it – Don't you mean on the Triple Drain off the podcast? Yeah, off the record's drain. I don't know what it's called. I think it's Triple Drain now, a far inferior title name. But that's what they're going with, and they get a logo and everything. So there's no going back now, I suppose. Yeah, because logos can never change. Talk about listener numbers, though. A hot little podcast there, wasn't it? Whoa, I think it crossed the 200 mark in the first day.
    8:47
    I don't know. I didn't pull the analytics because I don't care. Listener, he sees big numbers. They're huge.
    8:55
    They're huge. And for all of you out there, happy belated Father's Day. Papa? Did you? I'm sorry. I don't know why I found that funny. I feel like Mandalorian is the Father's Day. pin. It's his papa. Even though he's older than Mando. I always... I like Mando, like I like the show, but whenever he's like... you know, he's having to emote so much because we can't see his face, but I always just imagine when he doesn't have the helmet on, he just looks like the guy who's always trying to find where he parked the car in the parking lot.
    9:33
    Because he's moving the head around like every which way, and I'm like, he doesn't remember where he parked. I think it's just naturally like that. Just like... Or Mando. He can launch a bunch of little mini stinger missiles from his wrist, but never remember where the Honda is. Button sets the alarm. Yeah.
    9:53
    Where's my crest? So happy Father's Day to all of those out there. I will say before we get to the correspondence, something came across my mind the other day, very late at night, when all my best ideas come up.
    10:05
    Do you feel like Father's Day kind of gets ragged a little bit compared to Mother's Day? Oh, it's definitely a less important holiday. So you're saying you're taking the stance that it is rather than it gets.
    10:19
    I mean, yeah. The thing is, from my view, Father's Day and Mother's Day seem like they were hallmark created holidays, fake holidays designed to sell cards. You're that guy. Okay. Yeah, I am. That's what TPN is to selling machines. But growing up, we never did stuff. We never went out for lunch or anything on Father's Day. We would for Mother's Day, but we didn't bother on Father's Day. No one cared. I love that TPN is now the hallmark of pinball.
    10:50
    We had a couple more podcasts, and we're going to be like the Hallmark Channel. We just need the one podcast that only does Christmas-themed pinball discussion. Oh, that would be great. I love those. Yeah, Father's Day gets shitting on. It's like Mother's Day comes around, right? The whole world stops. everybody celebrates honors like honors big in Mother's Day but then Father's Day comes along I don't know if it is because it precedes it but Father's Day comes along and people are like yay dad like we love ya here's something from the grill like it's still celebrated but there's like this underlying tone like this fucking guy yeah we know you spent all day at work and never saw us sort of Yeah. We don't really recognize you sort of thing. He's an ancillary piece to this whole puzzle. It almost feels like we're wasting our time spending it on dad. Because what does dad really do? I don't know. It just hit me hard. Maybe that's just a projection. Do you need a world's best dad coffee mug? Does that make you feel better? I feel like my family's going through the motions here. Yeah, they probably are. It's time for TPN Industry News.
    12:06
    Hello and welcome to the Pinball Show's Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. Howl! Well, the dog days of summer are officially here, as the pinball world goes on wait-and-see mode once again for news of upcoming Stern titles. On the rumor front, I'm hearing rumblings of a Rush-themed music pin helmed by none other than TMNT's lead designer, John Borg, which will be music to the ears of Rush's legion of fans worldwide. Rumor has it that a Rush game could be squeezed into Stern's extremely full production schedule right around Christmas after Keith Elwin's rumored Godzilla title comes out earlier in the fall. And for those patiently awaiting for their new Mandalorian machine, good news! This past week, Stern posted a video on their social media channels officially telling the world and anxious buyers that full production had finally commenced after very minor delays. Yes! Many location owners who had ordered the pin were posting their happy news this week of them receiving this far-out title, while many others were reporting their new purchase was en route. This is the way! And speaking of the way, new Mandalorian code, V.96, fixing some very minor issues with the foundry and reduced how many times you hear super skillshot per game and if you didn't check it out already be sure to check out carl d'angelo's i.e pinball's annual pin clash event that aired this past saturday as some of the world's top players including raymond davidson travis murray and the one and only our tps shit correspondent extraordinaire dr john cosson as they battled Thanos and his minions and each other on Stern's Avengers Infinity Quest for Ultimate Pinball Supremacy. Spoiler alert, a belated congratulations to Zach McCarthy as he walked away with a surprising upset victory over some of the world's best players, taking home the Pin Clash Grand Champion title. Zach currently ranks a respectable 143rd on the IFPA rankings of the world's top players. Well, that's all for this week. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side.
    14:28
    Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. Well, I've been covering Guns and Roses toppers for weeks, and what has been made clear to me is that there are some extravagant ways to spend your money putting something on top of your Guns and Roses machine. But I've heard from someone in the know that Jersey Jack's own version of a Guns N' Roses topper is about to be released. It's a plastic lit from underneath with a marquee from a concert venue. It says, Guns N' Roses, not in this lifetime, tonight only, sold out. Above the marquee sits a modified Guns N' Roses logo with the guns replaced by flippers and the Jersey Jack pinball logo in the background. But what I think is most interesting about this topper is the price. This topper will be selling for $199. This will be a much more affordable option for those who want to dress up their Guns N' Roses machine without paying several hundred dollars to do it. I think this will be a welcome surprise for those who have been experiencing topper sticker shock for the past few years. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg.
    15:38
    Well, Zach, it's always great to hear from two correspondents. They're good, though. Eh, Ken's good. Craig Bobby is excellente. Except when he goes out into the woods during Stern's biggest reveal time period.
    15:51
    You know what else was excellent, eh? Transition right over that. The Great North. Subtle as a chainsaw. Good job. Like a chainsaw they use out in the Great North. Legendary pinball artist John Yowsey. Do you go Yowsey or Yowsey? I go Yowsey. I say Yowsey. I thought that was how it was said. You say the Yowsey? I say... He was interviewed on the Pinball Show interviews last week with... That was good. Matt is, I got to say, I've become more and more impressed as he's done more of these. He's an interviewer of choice for me. I really like the way he sets up and executes his interviews. I think the thing that, and I think you could tell with John in particular, but Matt does his research. So he'll drop things in. And John was like, how did you know this? And Matt's like, you know, I did my research. That's what winners do. Comes prepared. It's a good interview. Good interview. And he balances all the sound issues that all these guys always have. Yeah. I wish I was in the pinball design field so that I could also do interviews via a can with string. What is that? It's like you guys developed the most complex toys. I just imagine they all live out in the sticks. They stay away from all technology. And they wear flannel. And there's flannel, and their walls are decorated with every model that Remington made.
    17:17
    And there's a boar's head on the wall at some point. And they all play guitar, and they all do motocross. Acoustic guitar. At least acoustic, but I mean, they might have an electric. Cigarettes hanging out of their mouths, yeah. Under the bearskin rug, there might be an electric. Furry chests. John Yelsey was interviewed, and he was talking about, Matt brought up some of, How do you pick art? Why does basically he was saying on Willy Wonka, why does Gene Wilder only have one expression everywhere?
    17:47
    That's something that my co-host from EGP, Tony, always brought up. Technically, yes, too. But why only one? And Mr. Yassi brought up a good point. He was talking about it's not as simple as just choosing what part of the film you can reproduce as art. He said you have to have a reference inventory number for reproducing any of these art images. He said properties such as Willy Wonka are a good example of that. So even like these still reference pieces have to be approved, and sometimes they only approve like one likeness. There's your Gene Wilder. So it's not always up to the artist what they get to reproduce. Yeah, and he also, I remember noting that in the case of Willy Wonka in particular, there were a lot of quality issues, and they were expected to use the assets. He couldn't redraw them in a stylized fashion. Correct. So I've not heard an artist talk in detail to that length about that, but it was enlightening. It helped me better understand why we have Gene Wilder with that smirk on his face. Now what about trapping the holes? Oh, we've got to trap those holes, Dennis. You ever get your holes trapped? I always lay traps around my holes. Well, look, good sportsmen and hunters.
    19:07
    Is it huntsman? Huntsman. What's the difference between a huntsman and a hunter? Maybe there's no difference. I don't know. I'm not aware of it. I don't know if there is or isn't. A good huntsman always traps his holes. Maybe one uses a crossbow.
    19:22
    Matt Morrison brought up in a very sneaky manner. He's tricksy, precious. Yeah, he was, about how can I ask Yowsey about possible play field clear code issues. So he talked about, so when you're doing artwork, is there like a guide? Do they have you kind of stay away from posts? You know, you're not hiding any of the artwork around the posts, or how does that happen? And he talks about trapping the holes regarding those posts. So he did discuss it, but it almost felt like Yowsey was out in the wilderness, And he was like, I don't know. I just create the art and I send it in. Yeah, it seemed like he wasn't really sure what they did around the posts. He's like, I don't know of any of this stuff. Now, outside of JJP, they also talked about all of just the classic John Yaucey art pieces throughout the years. Whirlwind. I mean, you've got Funhaus. He's done a little bit of everything. And they were talking about Funhaus. I found this very interesting. I don't know. They discussed it. I don't know how it would be implemented, but there was originally, listener, a clock. Think Twilight Zone, but a clock in Funhaus. But he made it sound like there was a clock in the play field, or was it just an external clock? But anyway, they said that was scrapped, the idea of that clock, because we know there's a time motif in Funhaus. It was later replaced with inserts in the center of the play field, where you see the inserts telling the time or being a clock. and then there was a working physical clock then used later on in Twilight Zone. Yeah, well, working's relative because that clock's usually broken. That's a good point. I want to think I had heard about the clock before. Have you? Maybe. Yeah, I couldn't remember where, though. I think it was a Pat Lawler interview. Okay. Yeah, I thought that kind of does make more sense in Funhaus than it would Twilight Zone, so. Yeah, yeah. I don't assume. Did Yossi say they dropped that because a bomb was the main issue? Oh, I don't remember. I can't recall if that was the... Or time. It was either time or bomb. Look at the time. There's a bomb.
    21:31
    Well, you know, the story goes that after Adam's family, Lawler was basically given carte blanche on Twilight Zone to do what he wanted. Kitchen sink, yeah.
    21:41
    That's why it feels like a big old clunker. Really? Yeah. Big old clunker? Yeah it a super pin so it big And it old And you don have any shots on the left side so it clunks You try and do it i agree with you there so you guys have to go back listen to the pinball show interviews with john yousey really really good piece i love the i love the early days these designers and coders and artists i think sometimes they forget how interesting that behind the scenes stuff is to us enthusiasts so it was nice to hear if that was nice to hear jersey jack released something this past week that was nice to see. And that was the GNR topper accessory. Oh, you love toppers. The official licensed Guns N' Roses topper for your standard or your LE models. Did you get a chance to see it?
    22:36
    Yes, I did. What were your thoughts? Pretty basic. Pretty basic, yeah. I mean, thematically it fits. It looks fine. Good looking, yeah. But it doesn't seem to have any integration. No integration, just a static GI. No, there's no goat mode. Logo mode. Logo mode, white GI. Elvira doesn't pop out at you. She doesn't scream, no. It looks like the logo over. Axel's thumb doesn't spin around.
    23:03
    And there's a marquee that says, like, Guns N' Roses, not in this lifetime, sold out. Doesn't look like a Tribble. But it will save some dollars because it was only $199. Yeah. I don't know what that means anymore. Anymore, that means that is cheap. I was going to say, it seems like, compared to other official toppers, that's pretty inexpensive. But then again, Spooky gives their toppers away for free, so it's all relative. Why did we not just jump for joy when Pirates of the Caribbean had a free topper for their LA? Nobody even talked about it. Because no one bought Pirates.
    23:41
    Don't you remember that? Don't you remember the part where they only sold 1,000 of them and dropped it? still more than rick and morty true but rick and morty had a more boutique run targeted and sold out in what two hours spooky apologist a spookologist a spookologist now that was the first game ask me my opinion on rob zombie sometime you'll see how apologetic i go there's an objective take on that game so i don't need to i know what your answer is $199 plus tax and shipping, they're selling very well. I can say that. People that don't typically buy toppers are like, well, shit, finally. Okay, I can get down with $199. I just think it's odd because, I mean, Jersey Jack is kind of like the company that felt like they were all in on, we're the expensive company. So I guess that's what makes it surprising to me. Or, yeah, we're the complex. Like, look at the – Well, just like the whole brand has always been about the, for homeowners, has always been my read. Luxury. Yeah, well, you know, we're bringing it back to the old days, not the stripped down crap. Residential. There's no, like, special slash mode added. No, nothing. $1.99 if you want it, boom. I think that they'll probably, I don't think you're going to see a big, huge follow-up run after run after run on these toppers. You say that like about all the toppers, though. I only report the facts here. and that's typically what they do. That's why you see the secondary market. Stern's been going back and making toppers again. We'll see what that does to the market, but, yeah, they have been. Go to your favorite dealer or just go to flipping out pinball. Or you could always do what I always say and wait, wait, wait. Is that your new thing? Yeah, I think it will be. Hashtag wait, wait, wait. Stern Pinball is in the news. Is it? Yeah, Mando's are on location now. Wow, I guess we're going to see some streams. I guess in the world. Yeah, streams at a Twitch channel near you. We should start seeing the LEs roll out maybe as early as this week. Oh, okay. Whoa. Thank God, because I gave away my showroom pro for Joel Engelberth to stream. Hence my earlier reference. Now I'll come full circle. You're a smart man, Dennis. Yeah, you have all the Sterns, except the ones you give away. That's a pretty quick roll out of the LEs. Really quick on the premium at the end of June, beginning of July. It's a new rollout tactic here Yep I don't know the reasoning But we'll see We'll see how this fares with the community Maybe doing some experimenting Seeing what makes the most sense now In the new market Experimenting always hurts me Because everybody that bought a pro for their home Is like We hate you Zach Why do we have to wait Now we have to buy a GNR topper Yeah I hate it too for them I should have wait wait waited Like Dennis said Hashtag wait wait wait that we do need to call out. Wait, wait, wait! Mandalorian shooter rod, art blades, and armor that many of you have ordered is slated for August production. So, give it a couple months. We should start seeing some of that stuff roll out. Yeah, order your Windex so you can put all that stuff on.
    26:49
    That's my Windex spray. Yeah, that's a pretty good impression of the spray nozzle. I like the Windex smell, but my wife... Oh, the ammonia? Well, no, she sometimes buys the one with, is it vinegar? What's the natural? I don't know. I think it's like a vinegar or something, Windex. Hmm. Okay, I think I've seen it, but I always just buy the ammonia-based. Kind of turns my nose. Speaking of toppers, I was wanting to give an update. They did roll out another run. Speaking of, Dennis, you were talking about reruns. A TMNT topper.
    27:21
    Toitals. The one with the logo above the logo. Yep, that is easily detachable. That is true. It's very easily detachable. And we haven't started advertising, but we still have a handful of those at FlippinOutPinball.com. Oh, and speaking of toppers, yet again, I have a funny little story. We had a customer that had purchased an Avengers topper, and I'm supposed to be the topper king. Nearly demoted this week, Dennis. I had a brain fart. I did something that should not have been overlooked, but it was totally my fault and hilarious. So he gets this Avengers topper, hooks it up, and he's like, oh, man, this topper's badass. Thanks so much, but I think mine's defective. I was like, oh, no. Is it broken plastic? Like, what's going on? No, no, it looks good, but a lot of times the metal bases will bend in shipping. Sometimes you get a bend in the metal. No, no, it's just one of the lights on there, I think it needs a replacement LED board, surface-mounted LED boards because one of the gyms is just constantly staying on. I'm like, oh, well, that's not good. Send me a video. He sends me a video of it. I'm like, shit, yeah, it's going through a track. It's going through everything, but that damn light is staying on, almost like it's shorted or getting too much power. You know when an LED shits out on you and it just stays lit when it's not supposed to? Yeah, I've seen that before. That's what it felt like. I was like, okay, just a quick little node board there, like a little replacement thing. Boom. We'll get it out there. Can you solder? Okay. If not, we'll get you somebody to solder. So I was like, reformat SD card. Maybe just maybe. Nah, it didn't fix it. Shit. Okay. And then Stern was like, you know what? Send it to us. We'll do some testing on it. We'll take a look at it. And in the meantime, I was like, customer, because flipping out is so damn great. You want me to send you a brand new one just while you wait? Because that's who I am. he's like no i'm patient so he gets back from stern pinball stern says hey uh engineers looked it over tested and said it's fine and he was like oh okay well let me hook it up again he's like no guys there's still fucking light that's staying on like what the hell i was like damn man i don't know i'm gonna send you a brand new one just send me the old one and i'll deal with stern on it you have a working topper so i sent it to him and then he works at a barcade listener and dennis he He was at the barcade talking to a barfly. It might not have been a barfly, but it's better for the story if it wasn't an old drunk. And the old drunk fixed his topper problem. Not Stern, not the distributor. The old drunk drinking bush light. You know what it was? No. The topper king is an idiot. My dumb ass forgot that very much like the Jurassic Park topper, collecting letters on Jurassic Park or jewels are progressive.
    30:14
    So when you obtain a gem, it stays lit. And after you light all of the gems progressively like Jurassic Park, you get an extra mode or multi-ball or whatever it is. It was fine. There's nothing wrong with it. It was just progressively kept that gem.
    30:33
    Such an idiot. Man, you are one pathetic loser. No offense. No, none taken. Listener, was anybody as we were listening thinking, No, it's progressive. It's a progressive topper. $25 to $30 out of my pocket to ship a brand new one when it wasn't needed. And a waste of his time. And a waste of the engineer's time. Absolutely. I ended up calling said barcade and asked for Hank, the fat alcoholic that was sitting at the bar that fixed it and seeing if he wants to work out at flipping out pinballs at Tech. I don't know. I can't do Barney. I've played a lot of Mandalorian.
    31:18
    Edit. I've played some Mandalorian, and then I gave it away. I've put probably 25 games on this thing. for a really quick, fast and blowy. The sound and speech will be a highlight that you are not expecting. I'm loving this game so far. The horseshoe loop that everybody's kind of worried about because it looks random and it hits that side wire or that metal guide, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, there's been lots of worry about that exit. There is randomness there, but it works. The randomness actually works, and I know competitive players are like, everything must be calculated. They're like Ashley Android, but no, it kind of works. I like it. That was actually one of my favorite shots in the game, if not my favorite. And it shouldn't be, but it's a fun shot. Plus, it's always attached to this time-based stuff, so you've got to be fast. I've got to hurry up. I liked it. The assets and video clips and animation are top-notch, probably one of Stern's best. Didn't see that one coming. The Dwight shows, of course, are phenomenal already. we're at 0.96 I believe Grogu quite smaller in person than I was imagining the child is not as domineering back there I thought he would be maybe it's because I'm looking at that animatronic one that I have that's larger and probably yeah you expect it to do the wavy hand thing yep but it doesn't do that and the animatronic one I'm trying to mod so that it works in there triggered by that magnet on the premium LE size wise it's going to have to it's going to take a little work and the wrong arm goes up. Damn it. Upper play field is not a give me either. I thought that was going to be pretty easy and boring and like you're trapped up and you're like, oh shit, I don't want to lower play field. No. Wasn't a give me. That's what Joel was saying on his stream we'll talk about. He was like, oh damn, that surprised me that I don't mind being up there, that there's a lot of levels up there and it's not easy at all. There is already an absolute ton to do in this code, listener. Ton. breath mr breath dwight sullivan moments yeah you gotta have those tasks gotta have those moments there's not there is it is not a linear rule set at all this might be one of his most strategically coded games this thing is all about strategy and getting your gear maximizing your gear when you're supposed to stacking different things but for people like me that dwight's words go, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, when he talks. I've got three basic clusters. I've got modes, upper playfield, and multi-ball. And if you do well, you get to wizard modes. Will it teach me the difference between strategy and tactics? Huh? That one went over my head. That's a reference you're not going to get. Went over my head. It's probably not even a fucking Deep Space Nine reference or something. You're such a Klingon.
    34:18
    Impossible play mode is fun? I thought that was just going to be a shit mode but no that's actually even more challenging the game's kind of challenging yeah the only problem with impossible play mode is they've named it so that sounds like it's one of them veggie burgers that's the name of one of those new all plant-based meat oh i typically stay away from anything disgusting that doesn't have red meat in it so i understand i just figured you might have seen a commercial or something i mean what's next people putting mustard on their hot dog instead of ketchup come on people can you fake a burger let's not fake burgers like people trying of fake bacon. Stop. Maybe for Father's Day, did you go out on the grill and grill some plant veggie burgers? Oh, God. I would weep. I wonder how they sizzle. I would weep. We're talking in the future because we're recording Sunday. I ate, I think I ate a nice baked ham at my request with baked beans. Baked ham? Oh, I love a baked ham. Wow.
    35:16
    Christmas dinner for Father's Day. How fun. Absolutely. Is that the only time you can Ham? It's baked ham. Really? No, you can do what you want. I don't care. You can do what you want. For the listener out there, don't buy the prepackaged, presliced. You're doing yourself a disservice. You've got to get yourself a honey-baked ham. You can get it spiral cut from them, but it has to be baked fresh. No, I feel like whenever you preslice it and then you go to bake it, it dries out. No, no. It's baked and they slice it and you just pick it up. And you can throw it back in the oven to warm it a little bit if it's not still warm, but it's not. No, they don't. Yeah, don't cut. Yeah, it's like pressing a burger when you're cooking it. You might cook it faster, but you're going to squeeze all the fat out, and that's where all the flavor is. Yeah, exactly. You'll make it taste bad, and speed's not worth it. You only flip a steak once. Come on. I mean, how long does it take to cook a thick burger anyway? Not very long. It's supposed to be a little pink in the middle. Come on, guys. Don't smash them. Don't smash the burgers. People don't get it, man. They just don't get it. They don't understand. And I speak to them as if they were a child, and they don't. You speak to me like I was. Do you like baked beans?
    36:23
    Not really. I mean, I can eat them, but I don't really. I'm not a bean person. I'm not a baked bean guy, but a baked bean, I really like a baked bean. And I do the chips, regular original chips. You dip them. Oh, like glaze? Use the bean as a dip. Yes, perfect. Okay. Well, yeah, I could see that working, sure. Love it, love it. Impossible Play does work, and it's fun. so would you say the game is great Zach? Game is fucking great and I am a shill certified but if I set that on the shelf this game is fucking great is it so great that you took your copy and let someone else have it so you currently don't have one I need a L.E.S. we're coming is that how great it was Zach speak to me of the greatness is probably me for getting out of my own selfishness and wanting to provide for the pinball world Is it better than every Keith Elwin game?
    37:19
    Oh, is it better than every Keith Elwin game? All three of them. How would we say that? Well, it's just your opinion. It's like my opinion, man. You can't say that until it gets as far along as those games, I would think. You know the answer already. You just don't want to say it.
    37:40
    Out of the box, I enjoyed it more than Iron Maiden. Because Maiden theme killed me. Jurassic Park? Because dinosaurs will eat you and you don't like that. The code has so much more character than anything in Jurassic Park right now. And then it just does. Jurassic Park is probably a better game at this point. But I haven't got enough time to play on Mando yet. I'm not going to lie. And then Avengers, you didn't even remember it had progressive gems. So we know what you think of that game. This game is going to be for people who don't want to give me. They don't want an Elvira shooter. They want plenty of code. They like the theme. They like fast-playing games. And, yeah, that's what this game is going to be for people. There's modements already in this game. Jesus, people. Modements already, trademark. All rights reserved. Like, you have that finishing blow shot in code already? Asset symbol? Finishing. Now, I will say that I did have to, Dennis, adjust my game needed quite a bit of adjustment. And I didn't get around to doing it yet. so Joel got stuck with a center ramp reject. A lemon. You gave him a lemon. I was like, look, if I'm going to pry this out of my hands and give it to you to stream, and I have to watch you stream my game, then you're going to have to do some adjustments. Yeah, just typical stuff, like the feed from the left orbit. I'd like it to be a little bit cleaner, so I'd move out that metal guy a little bit.
    39:06
    Anybody that has a reject on center ramp, it whips up there and when the ball diverts it to the upper play field it comes with such velocity that it hits that metal diverter and comes back around it's just so fast oh wow think like the feeling when you do indiana jones pinball adventure mode shot where you're like son of a i hit that well who does the mode shot you just play for multi-ball in that game yeah people that don't enjoy actual pinball yeah God, how horrible would that be playing Indiana Jones and just going for multi-ball? I don't know. I wonder how winning feels. Oh yeah, I do know. Oh God.
    39:47
    That's pathetic. That sucks so bad. That is a mode-based game like no other. Spend it. No thanks. That was an elephant. Okay, I wasn't sorry. I just thought it's just a screech of rage the second one came across a little more elephant all right the game is great mine needed some adjustment put a little pad up there so it doesn't reject joel shit do some work
    40:20
    poor joel i will say the worst player on the triple drain people the worst one of them even I showed up on that podcast and Travis was like, yeah, Joel, you're the worst out of all of us. Yes, I heard. So mean. There's a lot of tension in that group. There is. People are going to want to tune in and watch that dynamic play out. I'm waiting for somebody to fight David Dennis.
    40:44
    David wants a knife fight with someone. He's just begging for it. I want to see David Dennis and Robert Byers fight it out. That would make my day. Because I want to see them both slapped, to be honest. I just truly do.
    40:58
    Man. So, yeah, speaking of Joel Engelberth, he did stream on the Flippin' Out Pinball channel, and he had a guest. His guest was coder Dwight Sullivan, senior programmer. Master of the mode-ment. The breath-taker. I'm going to go with the breath-taker. Breath-taker. That could sound like some sort of vampiric creature. The vampire is here sucking your soul out of your breath. I was thinking Lincoln Zelda, the breath-taker.
    41:25
    He's everything to me. I think you're thinking of Wind Waker. Wind Waker Breath Taker. Or Wind Maker. I don't know. I didn't play that one. Yeah, Wind Waker. Are you a score chaser or a moment maker?
    41:38
    There's teams now. Well, there's no I in team. I didn't know I had to take a side. There's no we either. I usually play for score, though. Okay. There you go. Ladies and gentlemen, Dennis Creasel, point chaser. Zach Minney, moment maker. That'll be very relevant here very soon. in the future. New code update, .960 for Mandalorian. Dwight Sullivan joined on audio. It was cool. He was on the call. He was watching and answering questions. I cannot thank him enough for doing that, and he's a great asset to the industry. He's just one of my favorite people ever. One of my favorite. If you want color, flair, experiences, moments, feelings in your games, go to Rio. Oh, wait. Go on. Get a Dwight game. Did you know that Dwight Sullivan has two sons that are also coders and have helped with his games, including Mandalorian?
    42:33
    I think I knew at least one of his sons was a programmer. I didn't know they helped. Yeah, one of his sons programmed the Half-Shell Challenge. Oh. Yeah. You love that challenge. That was a really cool challenge, so kudos to Sully Jr. Nicely done. You make it sound like he's going to land TMNT on the river. Save us, Sully. We've lost the toy doll. Don't worry. I'm going to take her down safe. I like my sulliest Tom Hanks. That way I feel like he's kind of a castaway, too.
    43:04
    Wilson! Wilson, come back and be a topper. The codename for Mando. Everybody cares about codenames. I could give two shits. I don't. I don't either. Let's skip this and not say. This one was Jenny. I love his snarkiness of Dwight. They asked what the reference is, and he said, that's not for me to talk about. spaces are tabs no coding boners spaces are tabs god this industry can be so nerdy and i love it i don't know what this means it's a coder thing either you use spaces in your code or you use tabs when you're coding oh i think five spaces equals a tab or something okay i see what you're i see what something back back when i did programming i always use spaces okay well good because Dwight said quote tabs are stupid end quote and people that use them are losers Oh okay Wow Okay. Well, man, you are one pathetic loser. This is why I love Dwight. Hot takes on the flipping out stream. It's always tongue-in-cheek with Dwight, so please never take him literally, but this is his Dennis Creasel level of humor. You're such a shill. you're now worried about alienating the tab programming crowd from the show. All two of them. I don't want to get emails.
    44:25
    We talked about encounter and upper play field. Everybody's like, oh, it's cool that there's an accuracy percentage and it's accounting for your accuracy, and it tells you that's cool. It's during, if you want to figure out how that's calculated, it's during the bonus round. After your first encounter stage, it'll go to a bonus round. All the lights will turn purple, I believe. then it's calculating your accuracy based on hits divided by shots boom well i mean how else would you come up with an accuracy percentage than taking hits divided by attempted hits i asked why i don't know once numbers again once numbers i was like is bill burr in the game and yes bill burr is in the game call outs in the game boom does does he do his uh his philly rant no i don't think he does no okay no he doesn't do that but bill burr call outs are and then get are in the game and that pretty much seals the deal for a lot of people do you like bill burr sure i actually did not really know him as a stand-up prior to mandalorian oh really yeah i went back and watched some of his routines after okay he's very he offers some uh con content and subjects that are very different in the world of comedy so he he leans a little right where a lot of comedians lean a little left and it's it's entertaining it's very entertaining so bill burr is in the game and I'm still trying to get Bill Burr a game. And believe it or not, listener, I'm making a little progress. But I don't know if I want to give him a game for free. Seems like such a dumb thing to do. Yeah, because he probably has a lot of money. So in a way, it's sort of odd that you would want to give someone rich a free game. I had tickets to go see Bill Burr right before the pandemic, and then he canceled because the world canceled.
    46:08
    And so now you feel you owe him. No, he still owes me. You know, Sandra Bullock never got her demolition, man. Why don't you help her out? Because, I mean, Sandy is so 1990s. Bill Burr is the train to ride now. Now, if I get Bill Burr a Mando pinball machine, Dwight Sullivan said he definitely wants to go with me. So it might be a road trip. You down, Dennis? Since you're such a huge Bill Burr fan, only finding out who he was after Mando? Yeah, no. Don't you think that would be the funnest road trip ever, meet you and Dwight? Come on! Well, I don't know why you have to come.
    46:46
    Because you guys have to have somebody to try to make fun of. You don't have to be in the car for that to happen. Yeah, but it's juicier. I can make fun of people outside of the car. I can even make fun of people that are dead. I know how to do all sorts of things. Yeah, you prefer to feel my pain, though, whenever you insult me. So you'd want me in person, I would think. That's awfully harsh to say. What a mean-spirited statement. Sometimes things are harsh. Sometimes things can be harsh and true. I'm the second nicest person in this hobby even Dwight was throwing shit my way during the stream yeah well he did a whole segment once upon a time back on the Twip podcast about why Zach is wrong and he said it during the stream it was the most popular segment in the history of that show he said I was wrong a lot and there was an extra ball that came up after the first mission and he was like he tried to imply that I said that because I'm an idiot and I suck at pinball and I changed it so that it would give me an extra ball. Well, guess what, Dwight? I didn't. I did not change that. It's your code. He's not listening. He's not hearing you defend yourself. The code bug. And touch that damn thing. And you know what, Dwight? The code bug. This is Zach's response. It wouldn't have happened if you'd used tabs. That's right. Maybe I am pro tab. How about that, Dwight? Save a little time. Tab once. Zach. Count your spaces there. Zach's going to learn programming in Revenge. He's going to code his own version of Mandalorian. He's already practicing on Turbo Pascal. It's just a couple months away before C++ is in his whole repertoire.
    48:22
    Python, here I come. Is that a programming thing? Yeah, it is. All right. My reference was nerdy enough to make sense. Yeah. Oh, gosh. All the tab users, you want them back over with that one. Actually, all the tab users are like, please, God, no, we don't want you on our team. I wonder if Ray Day does tabbing. Oh, there's an internal fight. I don't know. Dwight did say when somebody brought up Avengers, he was like, yeah, don't worry because Mando's a lot better than Avengers.
    48:51
    I loved it. But overall, whenever you shit on me, Dwight, all I got to say is just stop being such a fucking delt. Don't be a delt. That's a callback no one asked for. It's a callback I will give to you. Okay, let's see. Somebody asked him, what's the game that you've put the most work or hours on? And he said, it feels like Mandalorian at this point. That's code for it was Munsters, but he doesn't want to admit it. Breathtaking.
    49:21
    He alluded to the choreography. Sometimes people forgetting how much goes into the time and efforts on choreography. And Joel, you fucking noob, was like, oh, yeah, the white shows, yeah, the white shows. Everybody using my terms now. the light shows and he was like no like no sure lighting but choreographing display sound speech lighting shaker motor integration just all of this all at once hundreds of times within one title he said people just underestimate that they overlook that a lot and it was enlightening i was like oh that is true i didn't know if people thought that was fast i mean i've never actually I guess I can't recall hearing anyone speculate that that part was swift or easy. But then I've read others who have been working on their own things, trying to integrate that sort of stuff, and they've mentioned things like doing the choreography is really challenging and very time-consuming. That's kind of what pulls me in. Why are you so mad about people using, quote-unquote, your term? You know you carpet-bomb these terms on the pinball community like they were Dresden. No, I love that they're using them. I don't get the reference, but I love the thing. You're bringing it up so that you acknowledge that you want them to take these statements. Nothing makes you more pleased than to feel like that you have become the pulse of this hobby. It's not that they have no choice but to use them. That's what happens when genius emerges. When you weave gold, people have no choice but to use them. So I'm not mad. I'm not mad at you. Well, I think there might be a choice. I'd lean more on the idea of setting terms and definitions is in itself power. so that's well I mean so if you do like the moment you know branding this concept as a moment making moments you know that sort of sets the parameters of it and that's why it gets adopted and used because it was sort of the first to conceptualize and put a word to what that was I'll use a you know I rarely do that but I'll use an example from my past with pinball remember I had someone once on pin side who was not they didn't say it this way But the impression I got in some of the replies to me was they were very upset at how I defined a middle pop, middle pop bumper games. Okay. And the short answer is because I went and wrote an article and defined it, I get to define it. Yeah, and there was nothing prior. Yeah. And so if they had really cared, they should have done it first. So I guess my version wins. That's just how it works. That works. No, I mean, because people need. It's a lot of work to make something work, but I guess that's a legit way to make it work. Sure. Well, I mean, it's just sort of a lot of things, especially in a small hobby, I think. I like the shortcut version. Yeah, that aren't conceptualized or we don't have terms for everything in this. It just sort of happens. Well, there are things like Italian bottom and stuff, but if you wanted to define another type of layout aside from fan layout, I mean, it's there waiting for you, waiting for someone to describe what something with a whole bunch of up-close shots. Wasn't that fan-ish?
    52:31
    I was thinking a little more creative and bold than that. Like radically different. Like radical. What's radical? Oh, my gosh. If I didn't have fear of you hanging up the phone, I would now have a new rendition dedicated to Dwight titled... He doesn't want your songs. Take my breath away.
    52:56
    All right. Let's move on. All right, sir. That's a good one, though. That's a good one. No, it's not. It's not. Take my breath away.
    53:05
    All right. No, what else we got here? Oh, my God. Dwight was wrong about me setting up extra balls, blah, blah, blah. I think that's about it. He talked about Pop-Tarts, and he said, objectively, there are only two acceptable flavors of Pop-Tarts. Why are we talking about Pop-Tarts on this podcast? I found it quite interesting. Who was the comedian who was all about the Pop-Tarts? Paula Poundstone. What is it with the Pop-Tarts?
    53:29
    Do you heat them? Do you toast them? No, he said cherry and brown sugar. Eat them cold. Strawberry and chocolate.
    53:37
    Dennis is wrong, too. You both are wrong. You both are partially right. There are two correct Pop-Tart flavors. I agree with that. It's not fucking blueberry. I can tell you that much. Those are always the ones in the mix-a-lanius boxes my wife gets that are always left. The blueberry. Who buys the mixed boxes? You always get a flavor you don't want. She always gets, I know, I hate it. She gets them. But there are two, and it's not brown sugar, and it's certainly not chocolate. It is cherry. Nice job, Dwight. And Dennis, nice job at his strawberry. Cherry and strawberry are the correct answers. You don't have to toast them either.
    54:13
    Nope. True, you don't. You don't have to toast them. I prefer them non-toasted, to be honest. Oh, what kind of Pop-Tart is Chicago Gaming baking?
    54:23
    That was the sound of them popping. The next rumored game is Cactus Canyon Remake. And from what I'm hearing around the water cooler, air in the tank. I like how we are making sounds, and then we know we have to define them.
    54:43
    You're going to see this game. Honestly, don't know, but I'm hearing end of July, beginning of August, end of July. but I heard December and January and February so regardless of whoever it comes from we'll see it when we see it because there's no consistency here that's my sound of skepticism no I did hear something really interesting this was behind the water cooler where all the spiders and all the hairy little dust mites are I know that reference I know you do One of my favorite parts. I'll keep it safe. This one I'm not going to keep safe. I did hear this. It's too good. It's too good just to keep confidential.
    55:32
    So remember, Dennis, those Medieval Madness remake royals that came out? There's like this new run. They were like, we're running into again. And last, what was it, last expo that was not last year but the year before. And they had these accessories. Oh, you can buy the topper accessory for your remake medieval, even if it's the original LE or standard. You can have the topper. You can have the RGB kit. You can have the XL display with the color-coordinated speaker lights. The big old display. Love that. But they said it is not compatible with the Attack from Mars Classic or the Monster Bash Classic. So everybody was like, okay, I better go SE then because I want that big display. Mm-hmm. So did you know, listener, you're going to run out and go buy this display now. owners and operators of the Monster Bash Classic and the Attack from Mars Classic, technically the XL display accessory kit can work for your game. But they said it couldn't. Yeah. Well, they also said that the RGB lighting on the XL display couldn't be tapped into the MMR but everybody found that out in like five minutes. So, yeah. It can happen. I think there's like a plug that you do something else with that's similar. It can happen. It's like we want to force people to upsell to the higher model, but we don't want to do a lot of work. Yeah. So there you go. You've heard it. If you've got one of those classics, you're not out. I wonder if we can do that with the RGB kits.
    57:11
    For Attack from Mars? Yeah, Monster Bash came with the RGB on that. The thing with Attack from Mars is since the inserts are color-coded as the original, it might not look good. But the GI.
    57:22
    The GI is kind of where it's at. Yeah. GI Joe. Oh. That's a GI Joe reference. That's a thing that everybody wants in pinball, but I don't think would sell that well.
    57:34
    Boom. Sorry. Ouch. I'm sorry. Sell better than Back to the Future. It certainly would not. It would. And you know, ask Dwight. He'll tell you. We've never had a G.I. Joe game, and we've had Back to the Future. It's one of his dream themes, damn it, and Harry Potter. Come on, Dwight, make it happen. You're not my frontrunner, man. I need your code and everything.
    57:53
    Dwight, make Magic the Gathering happen as a pinball machine. Shoot me in the head. No, it'll be fun. I want to build a black deck. I'm going to use rats and bats. Rats and bats for days. The only thing I know of rats and bats is BSD. See? It's a tieback. Is it really? That's why part of the idea would work. And yes, the Black Magic, the Gathering cards, there were bats and rats. So it all ties in.
    58:18
    And there's probably a card called the Mist or something. We can have Mist Multiball. It'll all be, see, it'll win over the 90s fans, and it'll win over the collectible card game fans. Sadly, Dwight Sullivan's an uber nerd. He probably likes that shit too.
    58:33
    Oh, and you should see some of the art that they have on the cards. Get some real artists involved. I was going back, and I'm like, I think Jeremy Packer, just looking at his line work, everybody's like, oh, you can just throw artists or diamond. I don't think so. No, that costs a lot more than a dime. I really think Jeremy Packer is exceptional, and we're probably lucky to have him in pinball. And I'm not shilling as a friend Jeremy Packer, because I don't think Jeremy Packer likes me, or if he does, he's a weird way of showing it. So, no, it's nothing there. He might be an asshole. I don't know. But, no, his work is amazing. It's dark. His work is amazing. He's an interesting fella. I watch his behavior. And now it got creepy.
    59:19
    IFPA resumes sanctioned events August 1st, I think? I believe for the Whopper Awards, yeah. Hot damn. Or we can go to Australia and do the Big Mackeys or something. Yeah, they have something else. Something weird. And out of this, new standings in competitive pinball were released.
    59:40
    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the main event. Number one pinball player in the world, Emergent. He has a new nickname now. I don't know if anybody's called him this, but this is quite genius. And one that, like many nicknames, the recipient won't like.
    60:06
    Eric Stone, congratulations. number one pinball player in the world poor raymond davidson he had a good run didn't he i guess it's been weird seeing these numbers just get up like i don't even watch it but numbers don't lie we only report the facts here number one is now florida man let's get ready to rumble Yeah, that'll go over great.
    60:43
    Because he's in Florida. He's in Florida originally from Massachusetts. Big old Tom Brady fan, which is questionable. But Florida, where are you going, Florida man?
    60:55
    That's a good one. Get the t-shirts ready. Printing press. Pin Clash 2, the sequel happened. Did you watch any of that? Nope.
    61:04
    You've been busy at work, though. I watched it. Part of it. Some of it. Watch some of it. I didn't watch the final, though. I've got to go back and check that out. The final match came down to Zach McCarthy versus Luke Nohorniak. Young kids. Z-Mac for the win. Pin Clash 2. Hashtag spoiler alert. Yep. Nicely done, Z-Mac. So nicely done Carl D'Angelo and the IE Pinball Group for setting up the beauty that was the production of Pin Clash. The gold standard. Speaking of gold.
    61:40
    I love gold. You know that reference because you still like silly, stupid comedies. Yes, I do. And now I'm thinking this should have been an Austin Powers topper. Oh, that would be great. Elite Pinball Toppers originally came out with the Hobbit topper. Sold out. Secondary market like in the thousands now. Stupid. they released their next topper. The, what they're calling, IJ topper.
    62:05
    For licensing purposes, it's not the Indian Jones topper. The IJ topper. Oh, yes, yes. Did you see this? A lot of people talking about this. I did. You said there was. I did. I was really confused at first because I actually watched a video of it, But it's the arc, which is really cool. I don't know why anyone would open with short round talking. I knew I was going to get a hard time for that. Straight Down the Middle did a video reveal of the new IJ Topper by Elite Pinball Toppers. And it was a well-done video, I thought. But as I was editing it, listener, I put the short round piece, You Cheat Dr. Jones, into the intro montage. and Dennis is correct. The topper is themed around the Ark, which is a different film in the series. And I swear to you, when I was editing it, listener, I thought of Dennis's ass saying, you know, that's inconsistent because your opening is different than the product you're pitching. It really is inconsistent. It makes no sense. I thought of it, but it played so well, I was like, maybe I'll squeeze it by him. Nope. Got a message from him saying, why just why zach anybody else catch that no and you know why no one watched the video i'm guessing i'm just not we have 200 listeners that video so yeah the the topper got a lot of a lot of discussion because it's 2200 not the cheapest topper out there dollars and it's made of gold no this cheap 14 karat bullshit it yeah this was a weird choice this is a weird choice hand-gilded by an expert goldsmith weird choice fog machine a custom crate that it comes in 130 plus leds this thing is a gander to look at is that a phrase it's a gander um i don't know if you're using it right but sure it's a bruce's i'm sorry so yeah they sold out immediately 2200 ain't shit to 25 people not not in this hobby I got a prototype. How about that? Yeah. So they had three models of this topper. And they had the Elite model, $2,200. They had the Deluxe model, I think $1,300 or something like that. And the standard model was like $850, unlimited run. I think the majority of Deluxes have sold out as well. This guy is making a living selling toppers. And it's not you. That's the irony of it all. Maybe Elite Pinball is the topper king. I might have my fingers in it, Dennis. Just a little bit. Yeah, but I... Fingers on the design.
    64:51
    Okay. I know what the people want. They want my fingers. Papa! Hey, Dwight Sullivan, if I am wrong, then nobody wants to be right. You may be the breathtakinger.
    65:08
    You may be able to take my breath away with your moment making, but you'll never be able to take my Pimba Market Trends.
    65:25
    When delivering that dense, you have to have just the right percentage of rasp. I don't know. It seems like you're screaming it more and more. It's getting longer and longer. You're controlled. And I worry. I have a little grit. If you doing your market trend screaming at the dinner table to your wife and it has no grit go sit at the kiddie table bitch Turning up this week is Stern Pinball The Mandalorian Ba
    65:55
    That's a low-hanging fruit there, Zach. Fuck off, I know. But I only report facts. Ask pinball people what they want right now. What are they talking? What are they watching? What are they listening to? It's Mando, baby. It's Mando. Even Dennis Creasel wants one, and he wants nothing that creates joy and happiness. he wants your children to have no Christmas presents.
    66:18
    That is a misinterpretation. You're the mean one. Would you go as the Grinch if you had like a children's thing and somebody wanted you to dress up as the Grinch, would you do it? Probably not. I think you could do a good job.
    66:33
    Also trending up this week, Monster Bash Remake and Attack from Mars Classics. You can get that Excel display and figure it out. Make it work. also turning up this week is Dwight Sullivan you're my baby Dwight I love you don't like me very much you make fun of me but I seem to create relationships in my life that are just that toxic see co-host Dennis Creasel see the preferred Greg Bone see all of the quote unquote toxic relationships I have with all these assholes out in the pinball community and media I'm done. My Facebook page is down.
    67:16
    Turning down this week is my likability. I thought I'd get a laugh out of that. Turning down is we've been seeing a lot of G&R LEs and Led Zeppelin LEs. These band pins flooding the marketplace. Have you seen that, Dennis? No, because I'm not in the market for them. Oh, that's right. I only look at the market when I'm looking to buy. Or if I'm doing some sort of analysis, which I don't bother with on this show. You don't have to because I've got it all, baby. You just have to sit co-pilot on this one. I'll take you to the promised land.
    67:55
    I hope we crash. Into that topper mountain. They're flooding the marketplace. This is a weird trending down because I'm not pulling the trigger on a downtrend of the price.
    68:10
    I think it will happen because they are, but if you do look at the sales prices and the comps, they have still been holding. They've been holding, but I can only assume that with them all in the marketplace, they can only hold so long. She's going to blow. So if you've got a Led Zeppelin LE or GNR LE, you may see the value of your pin be stunted a bit, a bit. But rest assured, it's not dropping, dropping yet. Now, interestingly enough, we should be seeing the collectability, the hobby of buying and collecting trading pinball machines. We should see that start to go down a little bit. As I've said on other podcasts or other episodes here, listener, we have seen across different hobbies, I have observed, across the different hobbies of collectibles, whether it's trading cards or whether it's cards in general, whether it's whatever. We have seen it come down from January, December of last year. So I would anticipate this to be the case here as well for pinball. it has a delayed onset because I haven't seen it yet but I can only assume that it is coming. Somebody called me crazy for saying that the other day but no it is coming. It is coming a little bit. The floor is not dropping out but it will come back down a little bit more to reality. Maybe not back to that baseline that we've seen two years ago but it will come down a little bit. Also trending down this week is phony ass pinball dealer websites. I don't know whether to trend them down for creating these websites where every pin new is like $3,000 off and they're just scamming you or trending down the people that continually ask on Facebook, is this a legit site? If you've got to ask, the answer is fucking no. What is so hard to understand here, people? If you want to know if somebody sells a game, go to the manufacturer's website and they've got a list of dealers. It's super simple. If it's too good to be true, Dennis. Well, the proper response would be it probably is yeah in this case it is probably i thought you were going to say people were going to message you on facebook and ask for three thousand dollars off can you price match amazon no i want i want a prime day lightning deal that's right why look i've had used to see lightning deals but there were lightning deals for metallica premium back in the day speed of shipping wise i've had a couple people say dude you were quicker than amazon and i say look uh flip now equals flipping fast. What can I say?
    70:46
    If you're asking yourself why Batman 66 is brand new in the box for $4,500, it's because it's a scam! If I see another thread, is this a good place to buy from? Are they legit? No! Deals of the week this week, we've got a dialed-in collector's edition. Buy, buy, buy! Believe it or not, I think it's a good deal. Outside of Beckett Ridge, Ohio on Pennside, Brady to Gronk. Homey has only dialed in CE. 10-9. for the price of the J.J.P. Collectors right now, I think it's a buy. I think you buy that. I'd offer them $10,250 cash money on the glass. I know what I got.
    71:27
    And pick that up. It's got a little ding in the powder coat. That can be fixed. Buy, buy, buy! I think it's a buy, buy, buy. Also, another deal of the week outside of Silverthorne, Colorado. Pinsider TIGS with three Zs. Tiggs. Silver Thorn. That's a badass city name. Silver Thorn.
    71:48
    I've got an X-Men LE. That has probably, it's routed. But for the price, it's got a topper. It's the Magneto Edition. So the most beautiful edition. And it looks to be in pretty good shape. Even being on location. 5950 Oboe with a color DMD and topper. Shit. In this market? I bet they take 53 cash on the glass. I know what I've got. Have you ever heard somebody say that? Yeah, but not regarding the person with the cash. Don't lowball me. I know what I got. Yeah, don't lowball. Don't lowball me. This makes people mad. Then they gripe about it on forums. Let me run it by my wife. That's another one you get a lot.
    72:31
    Let me run it by my wife. Oh, okay. Wish I was closer. Damn. Wish I was closer. It's called FedEx. I wish I was close.
    72:43
    You're a liar. No, I was just like, then I don't care. Why even post? Right. I don't care. I know. I'm not in this about your wishes. I don't.
    72:53
    Your dreams mean nothing to me. Hello, darkness, my old friend. Oh. I've come to talk with you again. I felt that one. Oh, man.
    73:06
    Wow. That's what happens when you cough up blood, ladies and gentlemen. That's what that feels like. It wishes me nothing to me. Whew.
    73:16
    I'm terrified now. But I will proceed cautiously into deals of the... Man, that was dark shit. Deals of the Black Soul this week is outside of Minneapolis, Minnesota. I know you don't want me to do this, but I've got to. Bro, brah. I wonder if he's going with Cobra. but bro bro i'm as cool and i'm as cool as dangerous as like a cobra but i'm totally cool so i'm like a bro bra maybe it's like the uh it's like a it's a gi joe kind of reference like oh bro bro bro bro bro mander that's right that's right somebody with a lisp it's like my son bro bro what's that again huh you have to you're gonna have to say it clear i can't understand you bro bro bro mander bro bro bro like cobra command you know cobra commander was the villain in gi joe yeah so bro bro bro bro mander robo bri you could do this all day Bri.
    74:23
    Reap the brig. Bro-Brucie. What would Bro-Bru-Bri be all about? Bro-Brucie. Hanging does not exist in this dojo, does it? No, bro.
    74:41
    Be a chill does not exist in this dojo, does it? No, bro. Oh, I'm sorry, Brobra. Now, Brobra is, I believe Brobra does some streams and stuff. Good dude. But, man, you really, you really are asking and stretching for this listing of a home use only single owner monster bash. OG, some OG kush here for all you weed heads out there. You know what I'm talking about. 12,500? 12,500 oboe for an old monster bash? Sell, sell, sell. Nearly perfect cabinet. Brobra, guess what? Even if it was a perfect brand new cabinet, I wouldn't want it for 12.5. About as nice of an original that it can be found anywhere. All these specifiers. Nearly.
    75:33
    About. Light. Well, he's hedging because he doesn't want a false promise and say that it's the best, and then if someone could prove that it's not, he'd be accused of false advertising. Right now he's accused of highballing me. And I know what you got. It's not worth 12.5. Ladies and gentlemen, if you want one of these Monster Bash OGs like this in beautiful condition, they play different. Oh, bullshit. Oh, that's going to be controversial.
    76:03
    Can you compare them? Can you really compare them? 25-year-old machine to a new machine. I don't like Monster Bash, so I'm not going to weigh in on this. I've never really enjoyed that game. Showing total plays of 169. I feel like it's like car salesman. Like an odometer. Look, even if it's brand new, it's not worth $12,500. Buy an LE for like $9,000. This machine to me, listener, is worth $8,000 tops. And I know what I've got because I only report the facts here on pinball. Market Trans. Yeah.
    76:40
    All right, Dennis. That's it. That's the show. Lock up time. Oh, good. Finally. The email is thepinballnetwork at gmail.com. Reach out. We're a friendly little bunch. Dennis, not so much. He responds better to his EGP website and email address. What's that, Dennis? That's over at CollectedGamersPodcast at gmail.com. I did like the last discussion you and Tony had. You guys are doing good. Love it. One of these days I'm going to be like, nope, that show was shit. But no, we've been really enjoying it. A lot of video game talk this time. Well, E3 was starting. And we'll probably have a lot on the next one, too, because E3 wrapped up. Yeah, E2.5. I called that E2.5 because E3 had barely started. I thought it was clever. Just the tip. I liked it. And there are even fewer presenters because it was still all virtual. What's going to take away the show? Well, it's probably a split between people that thought Nintendo had the most interesting presentation, which a lot of times they kind of win because they have the best IPs in the business because they're the most developed, or Microsoft and Bethesda's combined presentation because they actually had some new stuff. and that's pretty much it and the big loser was probably square enix oh maybe i don't know i thought gearbox did a pretty terrible presentation okay it wasn't about the the metroid prime platform well you see that's that's nintendo that's part of it okay it was part of that though yeah i saw the preview of that and i was like the thing with nintendo is people were expecting a new model switch to be announced and they did not so but they still took it away huh well i mean again People wanted to hear about Metroid. People wanted to hear about the new Splatoon game. There's always something new coming from one of their stables that they've got because they've just got so much IP. Okay. So you heard it there, and if you want to hear more about that, go on to the Eclectic Gamers podcast.
    78:32
    You were on the Gaming on 10 a couple weeks back. Oh, like over a month ago, I think. Yeah. See, I didn't – You didn't care, though. I say for those guys over there seasoned veterans seem like nice guys right I need to have Don on the show maybe think you'd do the show maybe he doesn't know who you are hello darkness my old friend he claims he doesn't know who I am I've come to talk with you it's ok I'll show him how to host a pinball podcast for real boom I think the mic just dropped and if you guys want to hear more of that subscribe and follow the pinball network and the pinball show So be sure to hit that bell. Yeah. Ding. Yeah. Ding my dong there, baby. Update, the apparel collection is coming out. We're looking at a summer release still for the apparel collection I'm putting together. They're going to be some of your hit favorites from the pinball show. Dara Leaks. That's right. Dara Lick My Balls. I want people to buy just trash bags that say the pinball show with a hole cut out for their head like ponchos. That would be great. Deradict.
    79:45
    Deradict. So that's still coming out, and I'm procuring that right now with the Amplified Artist. So hang tight for that. See, you think I could get a shirt where the two of us are breakdance fighting?
    79:59
    I think Cause can put that together for us this week. I'm weaving gold here, Zach. I'm weaving gold. I like it. I'm giving you greats. They're so expensive, though. Each idea to get into art. Well, damn.
    80:12
    Well, good art requires sacrifice. I'm more than willing to sacrifice your pocketbook to the cause. I am going to let you guys in behind the scenes really quick because this is great. We're working with – have I announced the artist we're working with? I don't believe so. I don't think so. Really, really good artist. In my opinion, sorely untapped thus far, and he's worked in pinball and done some stuff in pinball. But he could do so much because he is damn, damn good. But working with him, and it's not like he's expensive, but he's not cheap. Like, he's being fair because he listens to the show and he really likes probably Dennis.
    80:47
    But he told me the other day because I'm making a collection. He was like, Zach, so you're spending a lot of money on this. Do you really think you're going to sell enough shirts to cover the cost of all this? That's a good point. That was something that we brought up on EGP when we were looking at doing shirts and factoring in the artist's cost. And it's like, well, how much are we going to have to eat out of this because we didn't think we'd sell enough. And you know what my answer was? No, I have no idea what your answer was. I was a certified Pimbassador. My answer was, look, X. Do it or we're calling Alex Ross. I said, look, I know it's not going to, but I care so much about pinball and sharing it and documenting some of my workings in pinball that if it comes down to money, okay, as long as I can cherish, because we're going to do prints of these as well, like Geisli Prince or The Nice Prince. And, yeah, it's like a visual documentation of my work in pinball and the work with my friends. So, yeah, it's not going to make money, but, damn it, it's important to me, and I think a lot of you are going to love it.
    81:56
    If we had the breakdance fighting shirt, it would outsell the entire collection. You haven't seen this. Gauntlet Throne. You haven't seen them yet. Gauntlet Throne. I cannot wait to show you. Cannot wait. so good so good and it's going to be helping out our platform and other platforms as well so stay tuned for that uh also another little side note here an individual reach out to me he was a fan of the show uh video series straight in the middle as well as the pinball show podcast and everything at tpn and uh he said that his child is undergoing chemotherapy and he would love to be able to gain access to a medieval madness remake for their family and specifically his child going through this so i told him i would i would speak on this on the podcast so if anybody has a reasonably priced mmr i can get you in contact with this individual to help out a lot so so thank you so much for consideration of that all right flipping out pinball sponsor plug here website additions product showcase this week is Stranger Things Pro. That reminded me of Planes. Those are still in stock. No, they're not. They're not in stock. They're not in stock, but... But Deadpool's shooter rods are. But your bro-bra here, your bro-bra is getting some... Bro-bra-bra. Your bro-bra is getting some Stranger Things Pro. Chill the leg, dude. Chill the leg. That's better than brief the brig. Okay. So stupid.
    83:32
    We're like smurfing the whole. I know. Like how the smurfs always talked. That's right. Yeah. With bro. Now that is a theme I can get behind. Yeah, I think. Yeah, smurfs. A Gargamel Ellie edition?
    83:44
    Absolutely. He was always kind of my favorite for some reason. All right. Stranger Things pros. I'm getting my hands on a couple more. Buy, buy, buy! Don't ask me how. Don't ask me why. You can ask me when. I'll say probably around August. Got my hands. Got my grubby little hands on some more, so let's lock those in now before they're gone. I don't think they're going to renew that license, people. Just saying. Jurassic Park Pro, still a couple in stock. Everything else, we don't have a lot of inventory right now. You guys have bled me dry on my inventory. Avengers Pros and Premium, so we have some July spots open up for their production run. Turtles Pro, July spots are open up. Iron Maiden, both Pro and Premium. Couple more. Man, I ordered a shitload of those, and still only a couple left of the July runs. Hot Wheels August we got some spots open there Guns N' Roses Ellie I believe those are arriving who the fuck knows when Jurassic Park Pro Arcade I do have one left in stock one you heard Dennis talk about the Deadpool Shooter Rod those are back in stock at Flippin' Out Pinball still have some TMNT toppers once I put them on that website they'll be gone so if you're listening to this and want one get them now and don't pay $1,500 from some weird pinsider buy buy buy MMR Topper in display. Getting low. Escalera turnaround time still about eight weeks. Golden T 2021s are coming. Yada, yada, yada. You want it? I was going to say we got it, but we don't. We can get it. TPN last couple weeks free play. Had an episode, episode three free play pinball podcast. We had a triple drain episode two featuring me. Go listen to it. It's good stuff. And the numbers are huge. Are they bigger than when they'll have Keith Elwin on?
    85:27
    That's a loser kid reference. Yeah, I think if numbers don't lie, then the answer would be no. Sorry, Keith. Just another P3 shilling episode. Whew. Got through that one.
    85:40
    Hey, you asked the hard questions. Yeah, made me puke up a little bit. Still a good episode. Appreciate the guest for coming on there. That was cool. The Pinball Show interviews, John Yossi, we alluded to. Final Round Pinball Podcast. Big Pecker joined the show. That's the title of the show, is Pecker. episode 36 with Roy and Say and Silver Ball Chronicles. I didn't know Barry Orsler saves pinball. Popeye for the win. TPN this week, not sure what's going on. It's a mystery. All right, for Dennis Creasel, I'm your papa, Zach Minney. Always remember to keep your eye on Elite Pinball Toppers because the rumor has already turned in that the next one is Bugs Bunny's birthday ball and it's going to be made Elite Model 24 actual carrots. real carrots real carrots probably cleared to keep them from you know rotten come on they're gonna take steps don't touch them your oil will make them people want 24 carat elite toppers so bugs bunny is the obvious choice and always practice safe pinball and fuck it i don't care dennis take my breath away oh my god see you guys later
    86:56
    Cry baby Cry And if you ever feel a little lonely I want you to come on Come on to mama now And if you ever want to let it all go Come on baby baby baby baby Cry baby Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.