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Epidosde 41: Love Letters, Lazer War, Stern, Spooky... its perfect!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jan 15, 2020
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TL;DR

Poor Man's Pinball discusses Laser War restoration, Stranger Things stream, Spooky's Rick and Morty topper giveaway, and JJP's Wonka plans.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast episode 41 features hosts Drew and Scott Ian discussing updates on their Laser War restoration project, Stranger Things Premium Edition projector stream details, Spooky Pinball's Rick and Morty game launch success (including free interactive toppers), and Jersey Jack Pinball's Willy Wonka production strategy. The episode is heavy on personality and banter with minimal formal industry news.

Key Claims

  • Spooky Pinball is giving away free interactive toppers (with DC motor and flashers) to all first-day Rick and Morty buyers (approximately 750 units)

    high confidence · Direct Facebook post quoted verbatim from Spooky Pinball announcing the topper giveaway as a thank-you gift for first-day purchasers

  • DeadFlip will stream Stranger Things Premium Edition with projector from the dark on Thursday, January 16th

    high confidence · Jack Danger announced on Facebook; confirmed by hosts as occurring this week relative to Wednesday release date

  • Jersey Jack Pinball is actively maintaining Willy Wonka production and not discontinuing it soon due to continued demand

    medium confidence · Hosts' inference based on game success, distributor feedback from 'Zach Sharpe' and others, and the game's traditional parts design allowing long-term production

  • Laser War topper (limited edition out of 2,500 units) had approximately 500 made and very few have survived in working condition

    medium confidence · Scott Ian discussing YouTube research of Laser War mods; notes seeing one working topper example with interactive laser effects

  • Rick and Morty game sold 750+ units on first day at $750 each

    high confidence · Hosts' comment that 'everyone bought' on first day, quantified by the 750 toppers being given away as first-day bonuses

Notable Quotes

  • “We're gonna make this thing really nice... MGC is our target. Yep, we have until April.”

    Drew @ Early segment — Details the Laser War restoration project timeline and exhibition goals

  • “They're giving away 750 toppers. Like, it's a giveaway. It's crazy now that you say it out loud.”

    Drew @ Spooky Pinball segment — Emphasizes the unexpectedly large volume of free toppers Spooky committed to, unexpected for a company to absorb costs for

  • “The way they announced it, the way they revealed it, um the blood sucker edition, the toppers, I mean everything they've done it right so it's just awesome.”

    Scott Ian @ Spooky Pinball analysis — Summarizes the perceived success of Spooky's overall Rick and Morty launch strategy across multiple elements

  • “I don't think Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory is going away anytime soon... because it's a great game.”

    Drew @ Jersey Jack segment — States opinion on long-term production viability of JJP's Wonka title

  • “I'm honestly more proud of him for pulling the trigger on it. Just from that aspect... he's a bit of a tightwad.”

    Scott Ian @ Eric/Wonka discussion — Comments on Eric's purchasing of Willy Wonka as a significant personal achievement given his spending habits

Entities

DrewpersonScott IanpersonZach SharpepersonEricpersonJack DangerpersonMattpersonCharliepersonDan Aykroydperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Spooky Pinball's Rick and Morty Interdimensional Pinball game launched with 750+ first-day sales at $750 MSRP; company announced free interactive toppers as thank-you gift to first-day buyers

    high · Direct Facebook post quoted; hosts confirm 750 toppers being given away; 'everyone bought' on first day

  • ?

    product_strategy: Jersey Jack Pinball maintaining long-term Willy Wonka production rather than discontinuing to launch new titles, leveraging game's traditional parts design for sustainable manufacturing

    medium · Hosts' discussion of production line capacity; inference that JJP has multiple lines running; distributor feedback mentioned; game design allows long-term parts availability

  • $

    market_signal: Rick and Morty's first-day sales volume (750+ units) exceeded Spooky Pinball's apparent cost expectations for topper giveaway; compares unfavorably to Alice Cooper baseline which had remaining new-in-box inventory

    medium · Drew's comment that Spooky 'probably thought they'd give away 50-80 toppers' but ended up with 750; note about Alice Cooper having lingering inventory despite different demand profile

  • ?

    content_signal: DeadFlip podcast streaming Stranger Things Premium Edition with projector mechanism in darkened room on January 16th; hosts expect visual quality to exceed camera capture during stream

    high · Jack Danger announced on Facebook; confirmed for Thursday the 16th; comparison to Rick and Morty launch where in-person appearance exceeded camera representation

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Laser War restoration project progressing from mechanical repair to cosmetic enhancement phase; targeting MGC event in April for exhibition; estimated $350 total investment so far with plans for powder coating and LED conversion

Transcript

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0:00
game's over losers oh yeah it's time the wait is over you've waited a week or more and now it is finally here the time has come for this week's Poor Man's Pinball Podcast starring Drew and starring Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.
0:39
I'm gonna need someone to help me. I'm gonna need somebody's hand. Son of a bitch! Give me a drink. One of the nights, I just can't be me.
0:57
One of the nights, if I drink and breathe, I'm gonna drink my way. Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 41.
1:11
I'm Ian. I'm Drew. How you doing out there in podcast land? We love you, we missed you. Pinball, pinball, pinball. Pinball world, I missed you guys. true what are you drinking there man uh i went boring again today it's okay jim beam and coke yeah guys i'm sorry i have not gone shopping for my mixers yet we keep saying that and we just keep drinking all the shit that's down here yeah it's all good shit i got a lot of good booze but i have like a can of soda right now yeah we we're not ignoring all your drink recipes we just don't have the shit and you know what i'm gonna have to sit down and write them all down and we're just gonna have to power through them maybe multiple in one episode i don't even know we'll make a spreadsheet oh you know it'd be fun it's just no we should just do you know six or seven different drinks in one episode just do a drunken episode just see how long it would take another drunken episode one more maybe that's what we'll do for number 50 if you ask some people we're the sloppiest show on the internet we are still the sloppiest show on the internet but we've been getting less sloppy maybe because we've aged so much in this last year oh we're so we're so mature We're so older. We're much older. We're more mature. Yeah, we've been doing this for like a year. Drew has not taken his penis out once in the last 10 episodes. I think you guys can tell. You guys can definitely tell. Kept it in my pants. Yeah, the smell's not that bad down here anymore.
Spooky Pinballcompany
Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
Stern Pinballcompany
Laser Wargame
Rick and Morty Interdimensional Pinballgame
Stranger Things Premium Editiongame
Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factorygame
Jurassic Parkgame
Guns N' Rosesgame
Elvira's House of Horrors Premium Editiongame
DeadFliporganization
Slap Save Podcastorganization
MGCevent
Brendon Smallperson
Alice Coopergame

high · Detailed discussion of wiring repair, parts sourcing ($250 Drew + $100 Scott Ian), and upcoming cosmetic work; MGC April deadline stated

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts addressing instances of their podcast comments being taken out of context or misinterpreted by other community members, leading to interpersonal tension; maintaining positive stance but expressing awareness of 'bruised egos'

    medium · Discussion of hearing themselves quoted and modified on other podcasts; song parody about 'no more fucks to give' in response to criticism

  • ?

    business_signal: Spooky Pinball's Rick and Morty launch demonstrating strong business momentum; hosts note company's improved positioning relative to earlier criticism; forecasting continued growth trajectory

    medium · Hosts' praise for launch execution; reference to past criticism and recovery; comparison of Spooky's growth to Stern's historical model; optimism about industry health linked to Spooky's success

  • ?

    machine_intel: Jersey Jack Pinball's Guns N' Roses pinball machine believed to be completed/ready for production; announcement timing uncertain but expected 'any time'; hosts speculate JJP delaying announcement due to sustained Wonka demand and mid-sized production capacity

    medium · Hosts state 'the game is ready'; waiting for announcement; inference that Wonka demand prevents simultaneous new title push; 'any time' announcement window from JJP

  • ?

    product_concern: Stranger Things Premium Edition's projector visibility issues during stream due to camera limitations; hosts acknowledge camera-to-human eye fidelity gap for LED/projection lighting systems

    medium · Jack Danger's suggestion that expensive camera might capture more detail; hosts' acknowledgment that in-person appearance surpasses stream visual quality; comparison to Rick and Morty launch expectations

  • ?

    collector_signal: Laser War topper rarity signal; limited edition toppers (approximately 500 of 2,500 machines) have survived in working condition; Scott Ian expresses active interest in acquiring one from secondary market

    medium · YouTube research showing minimal Laser War mods; note that few toppers survived; Scott Ian stating 'I will buy it from you' to anyone selling a working topper

  • ?

    industry_signal: Pinball manufacturer competitive dynamics showing Spooky Pinball's launch execution strategy (pricing, toppers, limited editions, announcements) being studied as potential model by other companies

    medium · Hosts note 'all the other companies are gonna watch what they're doing because this was such a successful launch'; reference to Spooky killing it commercially

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball operating multiple production lines; believed to have capacity for both Willy Wonka and future titles; parts sourcing strategy uses traditional/shelf components enabling long-term production sustainability

    medium · Hosts discuss JJP having 'two lines'; reference to Wonka's design using 'parts you should always have on hand anyway' vs Wizard of Oz having unique mechanics; distributor feedback confirms active production

    • 2:33
    Like Anchorman, it smells like Bigfoot's dick. All right. I am drinking the Danny Aykroyd vodka today. it's called uh crystal head vodka um i don't know there's a just look at find joe rogan's podcast dan ackroyd was on it and the first like 30 minutes all he did was talk about his vodka you know and i'm listening to it i'm like he is the best salesman what fucking idiots are gonna buy that vodka and then two days later i bought the vodka sure yep you fell for it well they have I think they have a $30 vodka, right? And then there's like the $45, $50 vodka, which is poured over diamonds, and it's supposed to purify. Come on. Yeah. It's supposed to purify the vodka or something and give it a better taste. Like vat with diamonds across it, and then they pour it over there. Yeah, which is weird because it turns the diamonds yellow, so there's something that's getting leached out of the vodka. They don't know. You know, when I hear stuff like that, it's just like when they talk about purified water, like from the spring of whatever. It's like, no, it's coming out of your tap. Well, they talked about that, too, because this is water from Canada. Oh, shit. Whatever. It's a mountain in Canada. Whatever.
    3:50
    We're going to have to continue this conversation on F it Friday. Well, it's like they're all in cool crystal skulls, and then there's a third one that's super expensive. And that one wasn't super expensive? So the first one is like, well, I'm just saying there's one more that's even more expensive. Um, so one is just a clear crystal skull. Uh, the second one, the second one is the one I got. This is the diamond one. This is the one they pour over the diamond. Oh, fancy. So this is the iridescent skull. It is cool. It's got like this kind of like. Yeah, there's an iridescence to it. Color changing. It's fucking cool. So I, uh, I just poured a shot for Drew. Drew's gonna try this out with me. Here you go, my man. Ugh. Just sip it. Don't be a pussy. Cheers to Dan Aykroyd and Ghostbusters. Just sip it. Just see how it tastes. This sounds strangely like what happened to me at Expo. Maybe you can taste the diamonds.
    4:44
    Here we go. Nope, tastes like vodka. Good God. It tastes like shitty vodka. Sorry. Sorry, Dan Aykroyd. Oh, it burns. I'm not a vodka drinker, so my vodka palate is not very good. That's terrible. That is awful shit. This is literally, we're not making this up. This is the first time we've ever touched this stuff, and it's bad. Fuck you, Dan. That's right. This shit's terrible.
    5:13
    That shit is not smooth. That's a burner all the way down. You start a goddamn car with that. Fucking A. That was awful. God awful. Sorry, Drew. Well, I just poured myself a drink with this shit. You're going to hear me going, ah. Buckle up, kids. Ah. Ugh. Off topic, but this whole thing was off topic. Oh, shit. Someone told me that Grey Goose was considered a shitty vodka until they marketed it with the pretty bottle. I could see that, because they put it out in the world and they probably made it for like $10 a bottle. I mean, anywhere that goes to a liquor store, you'll read the bottle or whatever. They're all five times distilled now. Maybe that was a thing back in the day where it's like, oh, double distilled, three times distilled, and then one guy came out with five times distilled. And that might be something like organic when it's not regulated how they use those words. Right. So who knows how they really make it. Yeah.
    6:10
    Five times distilled, then poured over diamonds. And guys, this is not a Fuck It Friday episode. This is a pinball episode. We will get to it. We're getting there. There's not a lot of news, guys, so buckle up. But you know what's funny? We say that every episode. Oh, this is our intro. Yeah, our intro is always this five minutes of this. People fast forward to the 15-minute march if they want to hear pinball news. nobody does though nobody does no they love us we love you guys too oh the drink is not much better the drink's not much oh i tried a second sip and no i put cranberry juice in there it's not oh you took a second oh true took a second sip thinking it was gonna be better that's great oh okay what do we got going on today that's that's fucking awful well today we're gonna to talk about laser war our update on laser war we're going to talk about stern and we're going to talk some spooky we're going to have love letters you heard that right kids love letters is back and mailbag so mailbag awesome it's a nice little tight show yeah what a great relaxing what a great little package you have thank you did that come out right that came out perfect actually well played sir well played so i've been listening to some podcasts recently like i often do yep and it's really funny to me because i hear some of these guys you know they just like we sometimes mention things that they say on their show yeah i hear these guys mention stuff that we say on their show which is cool but lately i've been hearing things that we say and it's either taken out of context but sometimes people do or they're almost like even twisting the meaning of it or even twisting the words all together. Getting a little butthurt. Yeah, getting a little butthurt. And, you know, that's not my intention. You know, I don't think I've ever shown any real ill will towards anybody. No, we usually are pretty positive about everything. Yeah, we're positive of the community and stuff. And that's fine, you know, and you're entitled to your opinion. But, you know, I just wanted to say if I offended anybody, I've said this before, you know, I apologize, whatever. I'm not trying to do it. But, you know, to get that kind of bruised ego over something I said on a podcast.
    8:17
    Or me. Or Ian. I bruised a few egos. Yeah, it just, I don't know. We're doing this for fun. We've been doing this for fun. We're going to continue doing this for fun. So in the sake of fun. For fun. We have a great song for all those people out there who have ever gotten butthurt by Ian or Drew. I've tried, tried, tried, and I've tried even more I've cried, cried, cried, and I can't recall what for I've pressed, I've pushed, I've yelled, and then there poked some success But the inevitable fact is that it never will impress I've no more fucks to give, my fucks have run a dry I've tried to go fuck shopping, but there's no fucks left to buy I've no more fucks to give, no more fucks I've tried to get. I'm over my fuck budget and I'm now in fucking debt.
    9:19
    I strive, strive, strive to get everything done. I play by all the rules, but I very rarely won. I smile like charm, I would have laughed the last to no avail. I'd run round like a moron to an equivocally fail I've no more fucks to give My fuck fuse has just blown I've been hunting for my fucks all day But they've up and fucked off home I've no more fucks to give My fuck rations are depleted I've rallied my fuck army But it's been fucking defeated The effort has just not been worth the time all the expense I've exhausted all my energy
    10:08
    for minimal recompense the complete length of acknowledgement has now begun to go and I've come to realise that I don't give a fuck
    10:30
    I've no more fucks to give My fucks are blown away My fucks are now so fucked off They refuse to fucking stay I've no more fucks to give My fucks have gone insane They come back round and pass me While they're fucking off again I've no more fucks to give My fucks have all dissolved I've planned many projects But my fucks won't be involved I've no more fucks to give My fucks have all been spent They fucked off from the building And I don't know where they went I've no more fucks to give I've no more fucks to give
    11:30
    So Drew, I discovered a new podcast the other day. And you told me about the podcast and I listened to it today. What was that, Ian? It's the Macho, the Macho Brother. You sound like him. Is that you? The Macho Man Podcast. The Macho Podcast. I gotta tell you, I like it. It's the Macho Man and he's ready to get you. Yeah, no, that's the Macho Man Podcast. Yes, that's my macho man.
    12:01
    It's funny and it's short. Oh, yeah. I like the entertainment that way because, obviously, I don't think he would want to do it or we'd want to listen to like 30 minutes of that. But the three-minute segments he does, they're just so good. They're three minutes. It's four episodes, 12 minutes. Guys, you've got to listen to this guy. It's called The Macho Pinball Show, right? Yeah, something like that. The Macho Pinball Show Pinball Show. I think it's twice. I don't know. We'll have to look that up. but he doesn't know either. No, he just came out a couple of weeks ago, and he's been doing these short episodes. And if you haven't heard it, you know what I think would be funny? If you see this guy in real life and he's just, like, tall and skinny. Yeah, it's the Macho Pinball Show. Okay, Macho Pinball Show. I think he repeats it, though, when he says it. I'm sure he does. Macho Pinball Show, Pinball Show, or something like that. Even just a doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. so so for all you people that are our age i'm sure you grew up in the 80s wwf world with hogan and macho man and it's just cool the only wrestling that matters yes yeah because wrestling after that was just not as good exactly so so anyways give it a listen and uh we're hoping someday we might get him on the show good job macho we love you do we even know his real name yeah it's macho man randy savage and his wife elizabeth who's also his manager macho man sorely sadly died a couple years ago yeah he did he had a heart attack and ran into a tree resurrected him for pinball terrible macho man we miss you we miss you the whole world misses you it was all that damn uh what cocaine and yeah he was drugs and he was he had a heart attack while driving yeah crashed into the ball he was he was coked up in the 80s came down in the 90s and it was probably coked up again in the 2000s. I miss the 80s, is what I said. Yeah, pretty much. Oh, poor Macho. Poor Macho. Well, what do we got? We got Laser War. We do. Updates on Laser War. Folks, you have been great emailing us how to fix a dumb thing. People have really rallied behind us on this thing. It's a thing now. Like, it is, because, you know, I bought it for Ian. I thought we were just going to have fun playing it. And then we actually have it working now, and we're like, we're just going to make this thing beautiful. and redo everything pretty much top to bottom. So, Matt, from the Slap Save Podcast, I want to just give you a shout-out. You helped us out with the picture of the – all it was was some janky wiring. Oh, was that his Secret Service that he – Yeah, it was just janky wiring and the service buttons inside the coin door. Yeah, I think what happened was – I got it all worked out and wired up and soldered up. One of the wires came loose during shipping, and it just wrecked havoc on the whole thing. so we got it all fixed yeah i got her all soldered up she's pretty um but yeah now it's just the fun stuff it's cosmetics man so uh i spent about 250 bucks you spent 100 bucks and we got we got rubbers we got plastics we got we don't have the playfield plastics but we have star posts we have the star rollovers um all sorts of yeah we're gonna do this you know it's gonna be all leds It's going to be color matching. It's going to look... We're going to get some powder coating done on it. Yes. So, yeah, we're not talking about just making this thing playable, because it's already playable. We're going to make this thing really nice. We're hoping to bring it to a few shows. MGC is our target. Yep, we have until April. So, like I said, it's working. That's step one. If we can get some of this powder coat done and stuff, we can probably get this done. So, hopefully, we'll keep you updated. But, yeah, MGC, we're going to see if we can win game of the year. It's not even on award, do they do? Yeah, games like Jurassic Park, not... We should buy a blue ribbon and stick it on there like you know first place Can we get a Twippy for Game of the year this this game was released in 2020 because uh you know we just resurrected it maybe a pinewood derby trophy you know something that doesn't even make sense we're gonna do it yeah we're gonna put some trophies on there yeah she's gonna be an award-winning game yeah definitely we gotta put some poor man's pinball swag somewhere on it too so people know oh yeah well this is the laser war I think, no matter how pretty it is, we're just going to stick one of our stickers right on the coin door. And be like, poor man's pinball.
    16:23
    Right on the back box. Right on the middle. We'll cover Charlie Sheen shitting. Yeah. Right in the middle. If you've ever seen the back glass, yeah. There's two fine 80s ladies, but in the middle there's like a guy squatting down. Yeah, little Charlie Sheen-esque. Looks like he's taking a shit. Laser war. Yeah. Check it out, guys. And it is a cool game. That's the best part about it. It's cheesy 80s goodness, but it has a cool rule set. It's fun to play. Ian was texting a guy about decals, and he used to make them. Three years ago, he was making them. So I thought, shot in the dark, bro. Do you make those still, or do you have any extra? Do you have the ability to print some more off? And he said, sadly, no. He sold his. He's like, but whenever you guys get done, I will buy it from you gladly, because he missed Laser War so much. Who says I missed Laser War? This dude and pretty much me. I'll miss Laser War when it's gone. Oh, yeah, we were talking about that. We're going to put the work into it, so that's why we'll miss it. But if you just had this game, it's cheesy, it's fun, but yeah, it's cool. You know what's cool? I went on YouTube to look at Laser War videos, just to get ideas of what people have done. Nobody's done shit to Laser War, number one. I mean, the most you guys have done out there is, I feel like, LEDs. clean it up put some leds i've seen a couple play field restores that look beautiful by the way i'm just joking um but i did see one with a working topper the laser war top oh yeah what they made 50 of those or something right it was a low number 500 it was 500 out of the 2500 because they were too expensive or two i just don't think they i thought they they might have been too expensive i don't know i don't know what it was but they but hardly any have survived so to see one in action it's yeah it's like a little trapezoid black box shooting lasers that has lasers in it and it like interacts with the the sounds of the game oh that's awesome yeah it's like a like a spiral of lasers you know and it's going kind of all fritzy and crazy but then and they're like yellowish orange and then when like the voices go off on the game yeah they turn red you know like and then they go return to base or whatever i need to look at that video if anyone out there has a laser war topper i will buy it from you yeah i don't think any i think there's a lot of people out there yeah no that it sounds like one of those things you have this yeah yeah kind of like you know there's a few of those toppers that the white water topper is another one i mean people just just want them yeah i'll try to post a video of it if i find it on youtube again but yeah it was pretty crazy i was like that is so fucking cool it is cool so yeah we're gonna we're gonna take pictures we're gonna document this whole thing we'll probably yeah make a few videos as we're doing it and um yeah i didn't know there'd be this much uh interest but yeah thanks we're doing it yeah we are it's happening so um awesome awesome that's exciting oh and the last piece i finally can i've been talking about jurassic park coming home tonight i pulled off the band-aid and i told the wife and she didn't kick me out of the house so uh jurassic park's coming home zach many uh i know you said around the end of january so get one ready for me let me know when You need a deposit because it's, yeah, it's a done deal. So there you go. So Drew says he's not getting kicked out of the house. The thing is, his wife is just so over him right now.
    19:39
    Kind of like more of a mild neglect at this point. Yeah, she says, I don't care, I don't care. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, cool. So that's awesome, right? That means she's good with it. Yeah, yeah.
    19:50
    As she punches herself in the cooter when you leave. Oh, man. Why would she do that? I don't know. All right, let's go. Move on, move on.
    19:58
    All right, so a little bit of Stern news. Stern, yeah. So looks like on Jack Danger's... Deadflip. Deadflip page on Facebook, he announced that he will be streaming the premium Stranger Things with the projector... In the dark. ...game. Well, you know, I was messaging back and forth with Jack Danger himself. He told me that because of my concerns with the LEDs, And he said with a good enough camera, a nice enough, i.e. an expensive camera, you should be able to pick up the majority of it. So I don't know if he got something nice or if Stern had something. Well, I'm sure if that is the case, Stern's going to spring for a $1,000 camera, whatever he needs for it. Regardless, they did a little testing on Facebook. It does look washed out. It just does. It is what it is. Well, because we talked about it. It doesn't matter how good your stuff is. it's just the the science behind projectors exactly yeah and and just you guys know before you freak out when you watch the stream just understand that it probably looks a lot better and oh i'm i'm 1000 confident it looks better in person yeah yeah because think think about anything pinball related when you're uh rick and morty is a good example when rick and morty was first released and they were talking about they showed the pink you know kind of armor I'm sorry purple purple armor you know I was going to say purple yeah people were kind of like oh you know it looks kind of yeah faded you know whatever and they weren't too impressed and then everyone who's seen it in person said oh my god this thing pops like you wouldn't believe because you know cameras just can't capture everything the way they should that's all so anyways so that stream dead flip should be this Thursday the 16th yep to be determined And on time. Yep. So, you know, you're probably thinking like 6, 7 o'clock. Yeah. Usual. Usual dead flip time. Usual dead flip station. And, you know, I'm sure it'll be on YouTube when it's done.
    22:03
    Bug you. Good job, Jack. I knew you had it in you, buddy. That's awesome. Good job, Stern. We'll give you a round of applause. Woo!
    22:11
    Stream that shit. Let's see some projectors. Let's see it. That was a good projector. It made a good sound. That was a great sound effect, Ian. Wow. Oh, you're like, what's his name? Winslow from Police Academy. I'm here all day, folks. This is what I do for you. This is what happens when I have shit vodka. Jesus. Aw. No, it was pretty good. Elvira does not have a projector still, so we'll keep you up to date on that one. We're waiting for that mod to come, but it just hasn't come. Oh, man. Who out there has bought the Stranger Things Premium but just ripped out the screen and put it on their Elvira Premium? That'd be an easy, cheap one, right? No. Sure. Sure, don't try that at home, folks. All right, we got some more news. Spooky side. You want to hear this stuff, Drew? I do. Do-do-do-do-do. Breaking just happened, but we're releasing this on Wednesday, so this will be old news when you guys hear it.
    23:08
    So Spooky just posted this on their Facebook page, and I will read it verbatim. To everyone who supported Spooky Pinball LLC, Rick and Morty's Interdimensional Pinball, and small town family based pinball making dot dot dot your extra free gift for buying on the first day in parentheses which everyone did so everyone bought see this is probably all right we'll go into it later um is a gameplay interactive topper complete with dc motor and flashers thank you your support means everything your friends at spooky pinball llc so if you ordered on the first day, which everyone did, $750, they're including a free interactive topper. How cool is that? That is awesome. Awesome job, Spooky. Yeah.
    24:01
    A little bit of applause. Yeah, Jesus. And if it's as good or better than the Alice Cooper one, that's going to be a cool topper. Oh. Because they did awesome with Alice Cooper, and yeah, wow. So I'm excited to see that, and I think everyone else is. And how cool is that that they're including a free topper? When was the last time a company included a free topper with a game?
    24:23
    1990. No, seriously. I didn't pay for my whitewater one. Just kidding. Well, and whoever bought that back in 1994 didn't pay for it. You're right. But the last one might have been one of the last ones, actually. I told that story to Drew about, oh, yeah, they're giving away 750 toppers. Like, it's a giveaway. It's crazy now that you say it out loud. But Drew said to me, he's like, yeah, they were probably thinking they were only going to have to give away 100 of those toppers. When he does that, when he comes up with that, he's probably thinking, yeah, we'll give away 50 or 80 toppers or whatever. Probably sell 100 to 200. Maybe not even that. 300 tops on the first day. Maybe he thought they were going to sell 50 games. Because, like, Alice Cooper, there's still a few new in box. So it's crazy. $750, baby. First day. I hope they can afford that. Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. I'm pretty sure they'll be all right. Yeah, they got a little influx of cash. I know toppers are $750 cost. Yeah. That must be what they cost because some companies charge that.
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    Yeah, just great. But, yeah, it's awesome for the community. It's awesome for going forward. Because once again, even though they're a small company, I think all the other companies are going to watch what they're doing because this was such a successful launch of a game. Oh, yeah. Killed it. Yeah, they did. They killed it. You know, the only thing, my only small little tiny critique on the whole Rick and Morty thing so far is just that, you know, the whole numbering system and how they kind of relate all that stuff. But, you know, that's been talked about to death. but you know the way they announced it the way they revealed it um the blood sucker edition the toppers i mean everything they've done it right so it's just it's just awesome i know you said no more rounds of applause but spooky you get one last one way to go charlie we love you you did great charlie you did great so i i think it's just it's just amazing how they're conducting business there and i'm just so happy for the whole spooky team and it's just awesome you know the longer pinball stays around and stays relevant the better and stronger that company is gonna get oh sure if you you look at once again even low growth plan is such a strength now where before it not that it hurt them but it was just slow growing sure sure but they they were able to take on what they could take on yep and they kept the ball rolling and god bless them they they they kept the ship right yeah they did right to their customers door locks and all and guess what that and they had they had play field issues with tna yeah and they responded correctly and yes and look at them now yes and they're only going to get better and bigger and stronger and drew and i are both looking for jobs that's spooky no i am i'll go work there yeah i love it i told you he'd be a he'd be a a shipping monkey that's pack him up get get get packing boy yeah exactly i'm okay with that now drew you do good you do good all right what else we got man uh news wise there's not much else in the news news sucks man we're you know we're anxiously awaiting Jersey Jacks announcement, which they said could be coming any time. The announcement for Guns N' Roses. I think they're going to wait because them being a mid-sized company, we can call them, right? Right. They're making a lot of Wonkas. We know that because they're selling them, and that's cool.
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    Maybe they're waiting for the line to slow down. Oh, yeah, dude. Absolutely. Do we think, is the game ready to be announced? No, I don't. You don't think so? Well, no, it's ready. That's what I'm saying. So you think it's done and ready. I would agree with you, though, too. I was like, unless they got two lines going, if they only are. But they do have two lines, I think. Are they both Wonka? I don't know, but I'm saying they have two lines. I guess where I'm getting at here, guys, is just that I don't think Wonka is going away anytime soon. Nope. Because it's a great game. Yep. And there's still a lot of people that want Wonka, including myself. Yep. And, Zach, I will eventually call you when I have any kind of money, which I won't. But yeah, Wonka is, and Eric has a Wonka on his way. It's coming this Friday. So we got to get Eric back on the show. Yes. He can give us his full review. Tell us about Wonka. Yes. I would like to hear his review on Wonka. He's just going to come out here and scream like a little girl because the game is so awesome. I believe him.
    29:09
    Yeah. How will we eat that? Yeah. We're going to have the Wonka Vader in our pinball family. You think he'd sell it to me for 50 bucks? Maybe. He doesn't know much about pinball, right? No. I'm going to, I'm going to, well, but you know what? Other than his car, this is the most expensive thing he's ever bought. So like, you know, he's, he's, he's a bit of a tightwad. So this was eight grand on something. Yeah, no, it's, it's awesome. I'm, I'm the most expensive thing I've ever spent. I'm honestly more, no, that's, that's true. I'm more proud of him for pulling the trigger on it. Just from that aspect. Yeah. Cause like he, this guy, you know, it's like you try, you know, getting them to buy dinner or whatever. He's like, ah, you know, it's expensive. whatever but then he goes and buys his wonka it's awesome he'll buy dinner yeah but he'll huff and puff the whole time we love you eric we love you you're a goddamn stud oh he's awesome but yeah he uh but no i can't wait for his oh it's great it's such a great game to get i can't believe that he texted he texted us literally before he started recording like two minutes he goes oh wonka's in chicago i'm so excited he's getting his shipping updates it's so fucking cool man so It's so cool. Yeah, that's awesome.
    30:19
    Yeah, but to your point, yeah, they're going to keep making it for a while because people like me and you are just like, yeah, we still might get one, and we can buy one for the next two years. And I think Jersey Jack should just keep building them. And they will. They learned, I think, from pirates, you know, and I think the way Wonka's designed, besides the Gobstopper mech. Yeah, it's more of a traditional kind of. It's just parts you should always have on hand anyway. Yes, yes. So it's perfect to keep... Keep churning them out. Yeah, you can turn those out for a long time. Yeah, Wizard of Oz had a lot of unique mechs and different things that they couldn't just take off the shelf. Yeah, I hope those sales are doing as well as I think they are because, fuck, that's such a cool game. Well, talking to all of our distributor friends, like Zach...
    31:07
    We love you, Zach. No, you know, the few people I have talked to who are in the know about it, they said, yeah, they are. I mean, what we think is what's happening. They are, they're churning out. They're not like selling like 10 a week, but they're selling a couple a week and people are still asking about them. And they just, you know, they just kind of keep going out the door. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So, you know, if a distributor, you know, some are bigger, some are smaller. I think if a distributor can sell, you know, a couple a week or whatever, I'd have to imagine that's worth keeping the line moving. Oh, yeah, for sure. So, awesome on Drift Jack. I would say the second you start to see that little bit of a dip where Wonka aren selling or maybe that when you release Sure And you don announce it until you got it on the line No that for sure But I think the, you know. The rumors are it's ready. So if it's ready, yeah, start building now on that second line. If Spooky's growing. Build it first. Spooky goes from 500 to 750. Sure, and that's a good idea. and JJP is a significantly larger company than Spooky, and they have two lines, why aren't they making Wonka and releasing Guns N' Roses and then selling both simultaneously? Absolutely. Go to town, Jersey Jack. You got this, Chuck. Yeah, I'm excited. Nobody puts as much into pinball as Jersey Jack pinball does. Well, me, I'm forward-thinking, and like I said, Guns N' Roses, I want to see it, but I'm not interested in it to buy it at all. But Toy Story, which is rumored to be next, is what I'm really waiting for. Yeah, I'm still on the Wonka until they show me something else that I would like. I'm not like a Guns N' Roses fan, but I'm not a crazy fan for pinball. And Toy Story, if it's a Forky pinball machine, I'll take Forky. If it has Forky on the back glass, will you buy it? No, but I am going to, if you buy one, I'm going to buy a bunch of Forky figurines and just glue them all over it. You mean you're going to buy plastic Forks and put rubber eyes on them? They're Sporks. Whatever. Go to Taco Bell and be like, I want 10 Sporks, please. Forky's the best character. I don't care what everyone says. Oh, he's funny. I like that actor, too. We've talked about it. He's cool. Anyway. We'll move past it, but dollar for dollar, Jersey Jack pinball machines are just phenomenal. Sure. I told this to Drew a month ago.
    33:32
    I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast, But if Jersey Jack closed their doors tomorrow, guess what are the most expensive pinball machines out there? They're all the Jersey Jack machines. Did you? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Speaking of that, the last point on Jersey Jack, did you see that Pirates that was for sale?
    33:49
    Somebody has an LE Pirates in the box. What does he want for it? $14,500. Oh, yeah. And, you know, I didn't even think that was crazy. No. Because it's limited. It's in high demand. It's brand new in the box. it's the le i'm like yep that's probably right you know he'll probably get 13 or 13 grand for it or something i had one in the shopping cart i was gonna buy it that one drunken night oh yeah i remember that was that the regular is that the le i thought it was the le yeah i couldn't get the collectors but well they said it's mine the the le's on the secondhand market are going for like 10 11 i know i could have made a ton of money yeah people paid they paid what nine or 95 for those or whatever yeah whatever so there you go lesson learned yeah lesson learned no i didn't Because you wanted to get a Rick and Morty. And I said, I can't go in with you. Yeah, I asked Ian. I said, let's go have some on a Rick and Morty. And he goes, no, whatever. And I asked Ryan Kuyper, who's a huge Rick and Morty fan. And he said, oh, I'll buy it sight unseen. He pussed out. Oh. No, I'm giving him shit. He's having a baby next month. So, sorry, Ryan. Ryan, call me. I miss you, buddy. Turbo got called out. Yeah. No, he knows I'm just messing with him. I know he does. But, no, so, yeah, I'm texting him, though, and I'm like, come on, man, let's just go halves on this. He goes, oh, but I haven't played it yet. You know, I don't have any money. Because he just bought, like, a Star Trek LE. He's been buying games like crazy before his baby comes. They always do that. Yeah.
    35:16
    Bill Webb, Ryan Kuiper, just like, oh, I'm having a baby? I better buy six games. He bought literally, I think, four games in the last, like, four months. Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe you should come with us because Spooky has offered to let us play Rick and Morty. Yeah, Charlie said we can just come down and play Rick and Morty. Maybe we should grab Kuyper. I'm sure Kuyper would love it. Sure. And Charlie was excited. Josh might want to go, too. Yeah. Charlie was excited to go out drinking with us. Yeah, Charlie. Of course. Charlie, we're looking forward to it. Should bring a bottle of booze with us. Yeah, there you go. He needs it. He's busy as shit. He doesn't need to deal with our shit. Nope. We'll give him a bottle of booze. Oh, yeah. Charlie, sit down. Take a break. Let us play. Yeah, we'll play Rick and Morty. You go relax. So anyways, that's what's going on in the news world now. All right. We're done. Moving. Let's get happy, even though that was really all happy stuff. But let's get even sexy. Let's do it. Time to get sexy? Let's get sexy. Oh, sorry. The Macho Pinball Show, episode five just dropped. Oh, no! Are you kidding me, motherfucker? Oh, shit. Sorry, I just got the little alert on my phone. I thought that was funny, too. We were just talking about it. It goes, episode five. splash on some high karate lay down on the shag carpet right by that fireplace because it's time for love letters what do we got we got some sexy love letters the love letter music has been playing this whole time are we back to our roots is that what we're saying the roots we love the roots and not the band or the movie but just our roots we love our All right. You want to go first? I'll go first. I got this one. Warm it up, baby. Warm up that mic. Lube it up. Sexy. It's the sexy ode to John Borg's next design. Everybody light your candles. You ready for this? John Borg, are you ready for this? I hope it's as good as Metallica and even better than Guardians, Aerosmith, and Munsters combined. I hope it's sleek and sexy with the sexy Borg bottom you are known for. I hope you can put mechanical magic in and Gary doesn't ruin your fun I hope it's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and my wife lets me get it and if not it'll be our little secret I love you John Borg and all your designs I'm actually pretty proud of that one this segment gets so weird it does it gets so awkward and weird but that's why it's great. I think John Borg's listening to that in his car going, what the fuck is going on? I messaged John Borg like a month ago. He still hasn't gotten back to me. Oh, bummer. John, if you're listening, I'm not really into you like that. I have a man crush on you, but, you know, we can just be friends. I got a man crush on Franchi. Yeah, it's cool. Franchi knows I'm down.
    38:13
    But Franchi's personality matches yours. John Borg's personality doesn't match mine. That's the issue. Do you know what else matches? What? we touch tips. Alright, here we go. My love letter. Here we go.
    38:28
    Dear Macho Pinball Podcast, you are by far, by far, the best pinball podcast hosted by a dead WWF wrestler ever.
    38:41
    Your three minute show times are perfect. For if you ever did more, my heart would explode with love and envy.
    38:50
    Your takes and pinball knowledge are presented like waves crashing down rocks. Strong, fierce, yet surprisingly calm. Your logo and t-shirt make my stomach feel funny and my pants real tight.
    39:08
    I can't wait till tonight so you can suck out my butthole. That's awesome. Suck out my butthole, macho. Oh yeah! Suck on that, buttholes.
    39:26
    This show... I'm sweating. I don't know how we're still on the air. Oh, wait, because no one regulates us. Nobody can kick us off. This is great. Oh, my God. This is why... Never mind. All right, let's keep going. Let's keep going. Moving on, moving on, moving on.
    39:46
    Mailbag. This sort of thing ain't my bag, baby. Oh, I'll tell you what kind of thing is my bag, baby. The Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Mailbag.
    40:01
    I have two really important things, and then I'll let Ian take over Mailbag with all of our awesome emails. Is that okay? Yeah, that's great, man. Okay. Number one, I just brought this up. I made a post the other day about asking people to download one of our latest episodes. We were about to reach a milestone. Um, episode 39 was our highest rated, um, show to date. And I just really wanted to give all you guys a heartfelt thank you because we really do appreciate all you guys listening. So that's all, you know, we, we keep gaining a few more listeners every week and, um, the feedback from the community and some of the friends we made has just been awesome. So, uh, one story I just want to relay. I told you guys a couple of weeks ago that I met some of our listener friends, um, out and about because they, they were from other States and they came to, you know, to Milwaukee for work and they, they messaged me and said, Hey, you want to hang out and play pinball? I said, sure. So one guy was Matt Michaels from Illinois and Matt was this cool guy and we had this good time. and I told you guys all this, I'm not going to bore you with the story. Anyways, fast forward to about a week ago, Matt sends me a message, and he says, hey, I hope this isn't weird, but I want to, if you don't mind, I'd like your address because I want to send you and Ian something special for your restore on Laser War, and it'll help with your restores in the future. So I said, yeah, that's no problem. So I give them my address, and today a package shows up at my house. It's a big priority USPS package, and lo and behold, I open this thing up, and it's like this tackle box, toolbox, full of rocks and little booze bottles.
    42:06
    Yeah, it's no joke. It's fucking crazy. Yeah. It was so fucking funny. I thought Drew had tears in his eyes. A rolled up thing of Mylar and some tape and some brushes, like paint brushes. And then a little note in one of the compartments that said, Laser War Parts Fund. And he literally put a $20 bill in there. How cool is that?
    42:32
    I mean, I don't want to say that all you guys should send me gifts, but step up your game, guys. Oh, my God. I'm just kidding. But seriously, no, Matt, that's a joke, guys. It really is. Matt, no, seriously, that's just awesome. But I just really want to thank you because that's just such a cool thing. And, you know, some it might just be a small gesture or whatever, but he took the time. I mean, the rocks, you know, and you know I did that. If you guys have listened to our show, we always joke about we fix stuff with rocks here and we don't know how to fix shit. And, you know, Drew takes his rocks out of his toolbox and smashes shit. But, yeah, there was a bunch of just old shitty rocks. and then booze bottles and $20. So cool. So thanks, Matt. It's very awesome. Very nice. Thank you, Matt. Very cool. Awesome. And that is going to go for a good cause because this laser war thing is going to go deep into the pockets for sure. Maybe we'll glue some rocks on the play field as toys. Oh, there you go. Why not? No. It's a laser war. There's a lot of reasons why we're not going to do that, but it's really fucking cool. It is. It's very cool. It was in a case. It said the poor man's pinball. Oh, yeah. I forgot. The poor man's pinball repair kit. Bear kit. Bunch of fucking rocks. He knows us so well. Yeah. So, welcome to the family, Matt. That's awesome. Thank you, sir. All right.
    43:51
    So, mailbag? Mailbag. All right, here we go. First ones. Steve Johnson's been emailing us on Facebook, or messaging us on Facebook, for a while now, and the dude's a fucking stud. He's hilarious. So, first off, the first message was, Drew, did I hear right that you are not drinking at TPF? I already have a designated dick holder ready for you. Yeah, DDH. When you need to throw up. His name is Lee. So, Lee, whoever you are, you're holding something. You're holding my dick at TPF. I'm holding you to that. No pun intended. So, we made sure that he knew that Drew was going to be drinking. For the record, guys, I'm going to be upright. Every time I drink, I don't, like, pass out and puke in urinals and, like, try to shake your hand. Nice. I'm normally, ask Ian, I drink all the time, and I'm very composed most of the time. I had a bad day. It was off. It was just a little off. I drank a little too much. It was just too excited. I was. I was really excited that day. You saw John Borg was over. You know, and that's what's funny, because when I met him, and we just kept talking, and I'm just like, oh, get another drink, get another drink. And yeah, normally I'd be like, I want some food. But I'm like, no, I'm talking to John Borg. This is way better than getting a burger. Should have got the fucking burger. Anyways. all right um and the next one would be from pete quint you're a sick bastard i just want to throw that out there he is but he's so great he does fully endorse pinball and alcohol number one so that's important good job um he does like the idea of a thunder pin but he wants a herculoids as well why are we all I don't know Herculoids. I was mentioning random shit that no one knows about. So Pete and Ian, you guys know shit about shit. Thundar and Herculoids. Awesome. Is that like a hemorrhoids commercial superhero? And then he sent me a couple pictures of this chick who put a, I don't even know, this is a reference to Rick and Morty, but it's like the Pickle Rick or whatever. Oh, yeah, Pickle Rick is funny. Oh, yeah. In between his girl's titties. Yeah, like it was a tattoo. Yeah, it's a tattoo on some girl's titties. If you guys, anyone who hasn't seen the episode. Pete, you're a sick fuck. We love you, Pete. Watch the episode of Pickle Rick. If you haven't watched a single episode of Rick and Morty, just watch that because it is fantastic. Go ahead. Daniel Donald.
    46:20
    He has been messaging us on and off for a long time now. Long time listener. Long time. One of the OGs, Daniel. So he just wanted to know.
    46:32
    He had a question for us. Hey, buttholes, I want a virtual pin for shits and giggles. I have three options. Wait for this new one-up Zen pin, $750 likely.
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    Number two, use my Switch with Zen on it and build a cab for it. Number three, go balls to the walls and get a high-end CPU and build one from scratch with hundreds of pins on it for, say, 4K. You know what I found interesting? A couple things about that. A, our friend Dave, who has all these great classic pins in his basement, he has a virtual pin. Of course he does. And it's a pretty nice one, too. But I'm excited to see that one up. There's been some good feedback about it. Yeah, it's got Wi-Fi and shit. Isn't that funny? They're going to beat Stern to Wi-Fi? It's crazy. Because, once again, I don't understand.
    47:23
    Your toaster's Wi-Fi. Yeah, I just don't get it. Those things, it's so cheap to get a little Wi-Fi board. It literally costs nothing. Yeah, I mean, so it's interesting to see what that's going to come out. I mean my only thing is with that is A how are the viewing angles That important to me on the LCD And it can feel cheap Correct That the fucking problem Correct Those one feel cheap as shit Yes. You play those one-ups. You ever see one at Walmart? It's like the artwork's all rubbed off.
    47:54
    It can't be like that. It's got to be fucking legit. That one-up just released a BurgerTime that Ian was telling me about. I looked in it because I've always wanted a full-size BurgerTime. But they're expensive. like 1200 bucks or whatever and you know for 300 if it wasn't like super cheap i might be like yeah this would be kind of cool to have in in the game room but uh yeah i'm with you though it just can't be a cheap piece of shit yes exactly so so we gotta you gotta see it we gotta play it because the one thing they did on this they made the legs like regulation size which is great yes so like it'll be you know kind of the the right height it's obviously a little smaller than a normal pinball but um you know it could be fun so we'll see we'll see how they go did you see the attack from mars one uh i didn't see that it's just the artwork right yeah yeah it's it's the the case you didn't want to work and yeah so it looks you know it looks cool it's just like a small little attack from mars so it's kind of neat so i know i'm gonna get crucified for that but it is what it is no it's all good i just i told you i want to dip my toe in the virtual pin world I've been messing with it on the computer that shit is hard to get working right the newer stuff, the good stuff yeah, no, I get it it's not easy you'd think it's just download and play virtual pen? no, it never is you gotta fuck around with it a bit because everyone's setup is a little different but you get the tables but once you have it locked in, you're good for sure, but you get the tables and you gotta do something special to get balls in it No, I get it. You can't. But that's stupid. It's like, here's the table, and you hit the button to launch the ball, and there's no ball. You know what I mean? Just stupid little things like that. I think you need to look a little bit further into that. No, it's a thing. There's actually forums dedicated to that. Anyway, regardless of that. But I'm with you. Once you dial it in, you're good to go. And it's possible. Lots of people have virtual pins. Because the new software plays games like Metallica and shit, like brand new games. Dude, do you see some of this? It's been a little bit since I've seen some virtual pins. This might be old news to a lot of you people, but maybe it's new to you.
    50:09
    It's those guys that wire the connect to virtual pinball, the Xbox Kinect. Oh, I have seen that. Because it captures you, right? It captures your eye movements. So if you move your head, it almost makes the Playfield 3D. It's like fucking bonkers. It's just goddamn bonkers. It's sort of like real life. If you move to the left, everything kind of shifts slightly. Yeah, it is weird. So, man, if you got the 4K, I spend the 4K all day long on the virtual pen. I would build it and make it badass. Yeah, you buy one of those brand new cabinets. You get the legs. I mean, you do it. Yeah, or you just buy a used piece of shit pinball machine for $50. Yeah, yeah. Get rid of the guts and put a TV in there. you know um you can do it not even on the cheap but you can do it cheaper than those those sites that have all the yeah if you have a cabinet and stuff already i think you can do a nice one for like 2500 yeah you don't have to spend all 4k because the 4000 would be a brand new cabinet brand new legs brand new yeah all the with the with a graphic wrap everything yeah um i looked into it quite a bit yeah dude it it's it's not the thing is man you gotta like virtual pinball like i'm so up in the air on it like sometimes i'll play it and i love it and sometimes i'm like this is the fake ass shit but i haven't that's the thing i don't it doesn't feel real to me i want to play some of those new like i said like a game like metallica that i love so dearly i want to play one of those on a virtual pen no i get it yeah i get it but those are a little harder to come by. They don't have the new stuff. I mean, they have a lot of the new stuff, but it takes a while. Yep.
    51:52
    So, get big balls. Spend 4K. Get pussy. That's it. Yeah, it's just like Laser War. Just do it. It's not my $4,000. Yeah, spend all the money, Dan. Spend it all. You're good. So, thank you very much for the email. Michael Williams. Damn it, I'm thirsty.
    52:12
    I'm with you guys in the project. Sorry, Michael and I started texting now. We're like friends. It's awesome. Michael, I love you. I'm with you guys in the project screen for Elvira. I wanted to love it because I'm a big Elvira fan, but for me, it's just meh. Another stern. I get it, man. Yep, makes sense.
    52:31
    If it also had the projector screen, that would make it worth the money. Growing up, I loved Thundar. Thank you, Michael.
    52:39
    I'm quitting this hobby. After Ian mentioned it as a theme, I went back and rewatched it. Oh my god. Michael, we're not friends anymore. He didn't text you that, did he? No. Fucking Thundar. Unfortunately, I don't think it holds up well over time. No shit, dude. It's an awful cartoon. Well, Michael, to be fair, you can watch even like G.I. Joe or He-Man or Trant. They're all terrible. They're all terrible, terrible shows. I want to watch some Thundar. Fuck it. That was a great show. Anyway,
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    it doesn't hold up as well over time as some of the other classic, recently made themes. I get it. Of the stuff you mentioned, G.I. Joe and Army Guys, I don't think these would sell well either. Modern themes like Battlestar Galactica. I caught a pulse on Army Guys. Everyone wanted Army Guys. How to Train Your Dragon. Yeah, I could see how I'd train your dragon. Or even the new Lost in Space would be bigger sellers, Mike. Yeah, Mike, I get it. I just... Of all those themes, because some of those are like, you're saying, they're older themes. Like Battlestar Galactica and Lost in Space, there's a lot of older guys that probably want that.
    53:45
    But like I said, How to Train Your Dragon, I could see that being like a newer hip pin. Yeah, Mike, you just missed me on both sides because you got some stuff that's a little before my time. Yep. And some of the stuff that's after my time. Sure. I'm dead. Yeah. So, yeah, my wheelhouse is like the G.I. Joe and Army guys. That's just what I grew up with. That's why I want it. That theme thing, you know, everyone's dream theme, it's really relegated to what you grew up with and what you love, right? It's nostalgia. Be careful if you say that. Some people are going to rip you apart for it. Yeah, you know what? Fucking kangaroo. Captain Kangaroo. Captain Kangaroo can kiss my ass. All right. So what else we got? Undertale. Joseph Hood, he messaged us because we didn't know what Undertale was. Yeah. The pinball machine that was under the Twippy category. For the homebrew.
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    Thank you. Undertale is a somewhat obscure video game. My kid plays it. I did play that one at Expo. Drew, you may have two, but you wouldn't remember. That's probably true. The game is actually pretty good. If you get a chance next time, be sure to flip it. I have a whole list for it. Again, to our Twippy episode guys, just throwing it out there. That's just opinion-based. That's everything we do. it's like because i don't know it just i mean joseph was really cool about it but some guys were like you know you just just take two steps back take a breath we don't know everything if you guys have a problem with anything we say on here shame on you because you're so dumb look in the mirror and just say why do i give a shit with those two idiots thinking milwaukee seriously Captain Kangaroo are you listening alright here we go this is a great email from Brian Thomas Ian and Drew I saw that Drew was listed as Alice Cooper for sale or trade I know Jurassic Park is calling his name so I wish him luck thank you sir and that's happening and Alice Cooper might be staying home so that's happening too Alice Cooper might just stay as for my interest in Jurassic Park I'm looking into becoming an operator in my area the closest place to play pinball for me is 20 miles away oh that sucks dude in another state oh through a horrible trap what holy shit that is like the saddest story i've ever heard in my life yeah wow that's terrible doesn't hear a lot of sad stories no i don't i watched the sarah mclaughlin uh commercials i was thinking i could i feel like i should play the music please do it i was thinking i could uh operate two or three new games locally that i don't own and don't have space for but would love to play on a regular basis. Jurassic Park Premium with the moving T-Rex head is the game that would be the first choice on location. What do you guys think would be good choices? Other games I'm considering, Attack from Mars, Monster Bash, Oktoberfest, Deadpool, or Guardians. Wonka is too darn expensive and these games would be going into a brewery. Wait, wait, wait. If I can get them on board with the idea. by the way i voted for you guys for best podcast and rookie of the year on twip so did you hear that brian thank you brian thank you for the votes man um he got us uh three dad jokes we'll save those for dad joke day for sure and he gave us a drink recipe the whiskey cooler for drink recipe day whiskey cool i'm gonna say it anyway two ounces of rye whiskey i saw that one i want to i want to try that drew drank my botanical rye i got some okay half ounce of lemon juice quarter ounce of maple syrup and two ounces of apple cider i'm into it yeah it sounds really good um to your point about the games if you're thinking about jurassic park just go with the pro because i was gonna say yeah yeah yeah you're you're on location you said wonka is too expensive i mean wonka and jurassic park premium are roughly the same price so if if you were doing that i would actually say well i'd still say jurassic park but go go with the pro jurassic park deadpool is a great choice for location i want you to be an earner so if you're gonna get earner you gotta think about and themes here's themes and themes so i would say south park star wars bro and if you're well but south park is one of the best bang for your buck as an operator i think yeah because it's a cheaper game and every shit they haven't they have another one uh blackbird now by uh south park yeah oh fuck that yeah well whatever you're not into it but lots of people No, I know I'm not into it, but you see it everywhere. That's the thing. You're right. It's crazy. But I would say Star Wars is always going to make you want it. Star Wars, for sure. Ghostbusters Pro. You know, I mean, all those, just the big pro themes. You said there's not a lot of pinball where you are. So any big theme you bring in is going to earn well, I would think. That's one thing. Like Attack from Mars, Monster Bash, you're going to find that real pinball nerds love those games. and you will love those games. I know you will. But you have to think of the general audience. It's all about theme. It doesn't even have to be a great game. That's the thing about it. I use my wife as a gauge. Guardians isn't bad. Deadpool's a pretty cool one. Being a brewery, I can see Oktoberfest. Same thing that you're going to run into. You'll probably make more money, honestly, with Wonka than any of those others.
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    Out of all those you listed, Wonka will probably be your biggest seller. Sure, because people who don't know about pinball, they're going to say, wow, you're still making these things, and they're huge, and they've got these big screens. With the big screens, $7,000. I mean, you can't beat a standard Wonka, I'm just saying. No.
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    But then a Star Wars Pro and a Jurassic Park Pro, that's a hell of a lineup for an operator. I think you'd do well with those. Yeah, you said brewery. That's the part I missed, but yeah. I mean, I can see an Oktoberfest in a brewery, but for some reason I still feel like it wouldn't bring the quarter drops. It doesn't because it's just not as recognizable. And like I said, once again, if you're the only... They're going to be like, whoa, Jurassic Park. Whoa, a Willy Wonka. You're the only pinball place in town. Those big themes are really going to drop. And between those three themes, which are huge themes, Wonka is going to shine because it's just going to look so much nicer than the other two. It just is. Yeah. you'll probably end up making way more money with a Wonka standard. Yep. Just my two cents. But thank you for the email. Badass email. Great job, Brian. Yeah, let us know how it goes because we've been talking about operating forever and we're still kind of trying to dip our toe into that water. Yep. Yeah, we're not giving up on it. Nope. It's another dream we have. We have a lot. We're always dreaming of something.
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    Anyway, all right, well, let's wrap her up there, Drew. That's it, man. Yeah, we did good, man. We filled up the whole episode again. we keep getting better. I know. Every episode. Just kill it. Thanks for listening, guys. Thank you very much, everybody. We really appreciate everything. Thanks for making us the biggest podcast ever. So, Tribe members, we're not done. We're not going to continue on with Tribe members until we get the donations out to Project Pinball, which we have an email. We're working with them right now on... Yeah, I want to let you guys know we weren't cheap about it. We're just waiting to hear back from them. Once we get everything kind of inked and deal or, you know, get the deal inked or whatever, and we get that money out, then we will continue with the tribe members. We do have a list of guys that are eligible to hit all five pillars of excellence. Keep sending your communications. The five pillars of excellence are like us on Facebook, communicate with us regularly,
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    help promote our podcast any way you can, and the pillars three and four are our secrets. Four and five. 4 and 5, sorry. 4 and 5 are secret. This is vodka. It's making me feel weird. Terrible vodka. Crystal skull vodka. Fuck that. I actually had to tell Orbital Albert our secret number 4. Oh, yeah? Yeah, I did. You let it out of the bag. I did. Sorry. But 5 will always stay secret. 5 I will die with. But, yeah. Oops. Anyway.
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    But, yeah. So, thank you very much, guys. Like us on Facebook. We still have a bunch of t-shirts for sale. So, buy our shit. Silverballswag.com Yeah, on the promoter page, Portman Spinball Podcast, all proceeds go to us. Go to Laser War.
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    And someday getting a video camera. Think of it as a nice $20 donation, and you get a shirt. How fucking cool is that? How badass is that? Yeah, no shit. Think about it that way. Or a coffee mug. Coffee mugs, I use them every day. They're great coffee mugs. They are good coffee mugs. But we love you. and uh drew will see you at texas in march right oh yeah so he's for sure he booked that yeah oh we're on our way all right and uh we'll both be at mgc probably friday and saturday so prepare to party prepare to do some shots and we'll probably meet up at a bar beforehand both nights so we'll get stupid we'll do poor man style so love it if you're going to mgc hit us up on our email uh poor man's pinball at gmail.com and we'll set up a little meet and greet with the poor man pinball podcast at MTC. Awesome. All right. We love you. Thank you so much for tuning in. And stay fucking cool out there. Peace out.
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    We'll see you next time.