BlahCade Pinball Podcast this is the BlahCade Pinball Podcast i'm your host chris freebus aka shut your trap joining me as always halfway across the world it's jared morgan hello everyone how going oh look yeah jared has decorated because uh some of you complained yeah that's right so i've got i've got my um my artwork that i had behind me in the old place just a little bit closer yeah so there you go fantastic um there's more to come but downstairs i just haven't mounted them yet uh all right good stuff um i'm working at the house of mouse again yeah how's that going Lots of clicky-clicky. A lot of click, click, click. Clicky-click, snap, snap, snap, grin, grin, grin. Yeah. That's good. I literally was, this last week was my, they called it training. It was really reintroduction to everything that you knew before. We just want to make sure that you remember it for three days. And then I actually did a day of shooting. Yeah, that's cool. Just diving back in, which felt good. so it would have felt good to get back there again because you really did enjoy it um doing it yeah you know you make people happy right it well it it also is when you you know haven't done it in forever and you step out there and within 30 minutes you already have people sitting there going oh you're so good at this you know that that it stokes the ego you can't you can't help and feel good when people say that, right? Yes. That's good. Exactly. Okay, so this week, folks, it is a smorgasbord of items that we're going to talk about. Yeah, it really is. It's just like a whole variety of stuff. You're going to get a taste of everything this week. Yeah, we tend to, we have a lot of those shows. We haven't had a speculation show in forever because there hasn't been much for us to speculate about. We'll get back to one of those. It was like for a while there, that was all we were doing. So we kind of seem to go through cycles, don't we? We do, yeah. It all depends on the news, because we are a news show about digital pinball, after all. Well, we're a news show with opinions. Yeah, well, that's right. Which most news shows are, or talk shows really are. Well, when it comes to the... We flick between formats. I was going to say, but when it comes to the pinball world, it's amazing how many things that I'll watch on YouTube, pinball related where people don't bother stating what their opinion is as if they're afraid that they won't be getting stuff anymore yes we don't have that problem no we don't have that problem uh we've actually been encouraged to just please state your opinion um yeah that's right yeah which we'll be uh happy to continue doing yeah basically uh okay so i don't know if you've been paying attention jared you've not been paying much attention to this correct i don't think so if i think it's what you're going to be talking yeah that's what i'm going to be talking about you know what i'm talking about all right so here's the deal uh zen has been running a bracketed tournament if you will uh voting to see their hall of fame class of 2021 of which pinball table you all like the best. And voting's been taking place over... I've been doing it over Twitter. I don't know if it's been taking place over Facebook. It might have been. I'm not sure. But Twitter's mainly been where I've seen the votes going in. It looks a little something like this. There it is. So there it is. And you can see how everything's gone. Some of these have been neck and neck with who has beat out the other table. Some of them have been landslides. But it's interesting, where we're at right now, folks, is this right here. Sorcerer's Lair versus Wild REST. Wham, page. Wild REST. Oh my God, I can't speak that one at all. WWR. This is where we are right now. The final vote is happening between these two. And I'm going to reveal in a moment what the current percentage is. and let's just say I don't agree but it seems a little bit unbalanced a little bit unbalanced you would think it would be a little closer at this point but I thought maybe we could run through real quickly which would our choice be which did we vote for so right here V12 Biolab oh it's Biolab exactly because we hate V12 it's horrible Shaman vs Pasha I go Pasha because I don't like Shaman I'd probably have to agree with you there it's by like mere points like I'm neutral on Pasha I don't like Shaman so you're correct so so far the bracket is how I would have placed it I really want to see Shaman in VR it would make so much more sense in VR if I could see it in VR I'd probably change my opinion on it yeah but I have a feeling I also think that Shaman has some wonky code Oh, okay. I think that's also my other... It's either that or El Dorado that I have the problem with on the code. Yeah. But anyway, Rome or Mars? Mars. Mars is a pretty good table. I don't mind Rome in the least, but I often don't play it either, so it's kind of weird. I don't really either. I can't really... I haven't spent enough time on it is my actual problem with it. So anyway... Oh, and then we go Biolab versus Pasha. I think I went Biolab because I played it more, even though I don't understand it. Probably for the same reason as well, which sounds really like a cop-out, but really, I don't really play Pasha that much. I think my problem with Pasha ultimately comes down to, why would I play Pasha if I could play Tales of the Arabian Nights, which it clearly wants to be. So, I think my bias overrules there. All right, so then according to this, we have it Pasha versus Mars. I think we both agree Mars advances. Yep, for sure. All right, here we go. Wildress Rampage versus Tesla. Oh, Wildress Rampage all day. As much as I enjoy the look of Tesla, I hate the code of Tesla. It's just not a fun shooting table. It's really not. It looks beautiful, but I don't think it shoots very well. So, yeah, Wildress Rampage. Excalibur Adventureland. see I do like Excalibur and I do like Adventureland I'd go I'm actually not a super huge fan of Adventureland it's not really a table that I enjoy playing I don't know why I think it reminds me too much of some of the carnival themed Williams Bally tables and I think for some reason I've got like a deep set hatred for those tables I don't know why so I think Excalibur for me My issue with Excalibur is I find it repetitive. And so it's like the same shot over and over and over again to me. Yeah. That might necessarily be true, but just how I've played it, that's how it winds up being. So that's what... But to say the least... Adventureland is probably deeper gameplay. I just don't like the theme. Right. I don't like all the crazy carnival antics in it. It just doesn't appeal to me. To say the least, Excalibur won on that. Excalibur versus Wild West Rampage. I'd say yeah definitely it's a deeper game yeah and that's what I think so far we're here the same and then when you go Mars vs Wild West Rampage hmm it's Trixie's Mars is better now like if you're going FX2 version of Mars then Wild West all day long the new version of Mars is much better and unfortunately also the way that I've been playing in VR, I played a bunch more of Mars than I did of Wild West Rampage. Yeah, because it looks really good. And so I think that's where my tipping point went to Mars. But Wild West Rampage obviously clearly moved over. I would have gone Mars. Let's go over here. Eldorado versus Sorcerer's Lair. Again, not a fan of Eldorado. No, Sorcerer's Lair would have gone through for me there. Yeah. Paranormal versus Castle Storm? Oh, that's a tough one, because I like both those tables. See, I don't like Paranormal much. See, I do, because it reminds me of Bonzo Run, and I really like that. Yeah, I think my problem with Paranormal is so much of the playfield is wasted. Like, there's just, I don't know, there's just so much mechanics and toys that there's no room for the ball to go. So it's this really tiny shooting area. I just, that's why I don't like that one. Castle Storm looks really great. It does look great. In VR. It makes so much more sense in VR. So, yeah. For me, Castle Storm is the right one to bring over there. Alright, and then Castle Storm versus Sorcerer's Lair. Castle Storm. And I was going to say Castle Storm too. And both of us were wrong because instead Sorcerer's Lair went through. Wrong. Wrong! Son of Zeus versus Secrets of the Deep. I'm Son of Zeus all day long. Yep, all day long. I love that table. It's great. Epic Quest versus Earth Defense. Epic Quest all day long. Yeah, just don't even ask me. Earth Defense is madness. I don't know what the game's about. Son of Zeus versus Epic Quest? That's a little trickier. Son of Zeus? I think I go slightly in Son of Zeus also, but we were wrong. So this side of the bracket, Jared, we were wrong. The people chose Sorcerer's Lair versus Epic Quest. The people were right. We were wrong. and on this one again if I had to choose between these two I'm pushing Epic Quest through yeah absolutely Epic Quest is going through there and part of my reason for that is I've actually wizard out Epic Quest before I've never even bothered to on Sorcerer's Lair I haven't got wizard mode on either of those two tables I don't think so that's something I need to do probably. Alright, well regardless we're here. Sorcerer's Lair versus Wild West Rampage. As you may have guessed since we kicked Sorcerer's Lair to the curb way back here Jared and mine, well, I don't know my choice would be Wild West Rampage It's a game, Sorcerer's Lair has been around for years. It was one of Zen's first attempts at It's the free table on FX2 Yes, it's been around for years. And look, it's got a solid enough rule set in it it's easy to learn and probably hard to master um although probably not for some people on the leaderboards because they're basing the scores but um you know i think it's one of those games that feels good to shoot like it's a fun game to shoot the shots are fun um but wild west rampage again i haven't really got too far in um wwr i haven't either but I have a fun time going where I've gone. Yeah. It's very much a spell-a-thon, though. It's, uh... Yes, but you know why I like it? And actually, I mean, I think this is what my tipping point is. It's Adam's family. The layout is Adam's family. Oh, that side ramp is definitely a Lola ramp, right? I mean, it's... The pop bumpers are on the same side. The mini flippers on the same side. you've got the shot right up the middle you've got the side flipper with the two lanes which would be the train and the I forget what the other ramp is called it's it is Adam's family you're right if you were going to link it to a table you'd have to say Adam's family when you think about it objectively yeah and for that reason alone the shots are fun for me that's true they are fun So that's kind of... Even if you're terrible at pinball, you can always get that top center shot. You just shoot it up the middle of the table and it goes in. So you sort of get progress that way. So anyway, that's my vote. What would your ultimate pick be? My ultimate pick? Yeah, between those two. Between those two. You can flick back and I'll have a look at the... No, because I already moved on to the next screen because it's a surprise. So between Sorcerer's Lair and Wild West Ramage. Okay, if I was going to pick it? Yeah. I'd like to hope it was Wild West Rampage. Well, Jared, I have some bad news. Wild West Rampage is having its butt handed to it. It's 27.5% to 72.5% Sorcerer's Lair. I reckon there's a whole lot of mages out there that have got Twitter bot followers gaming that. That is outrageously wrong. When you come down to the finals of a bracket, they should be relatively close. That's a curb stomp. Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's not even a reason. That's Sorcerer's Lair going, I'm going to magic you into another dimension, WWR. And I just, I can't wrap my head around it. So if any of you want to explain to me why it is... The king of all tables? Please, inform us. Drop us a comment here. There is one theory, and that's because it's their free table. And everyone has played it. Everybody has played it. True. And that's probably the only data point here we can pull on to justify that much headway between rampaging and... Ooh, wiping screen, Jared. This is fun. Here he goes. He's wiping. Oh, no, it's not wiping, Jared. It made it worse. Yeah. They're all... He's cleaning. Oh, kind of. it's really not cool or happy there we go oh Jared's got the magic eraser it's so awesome I do have the magic eraser it's really weird OBS Ninja what's going on I don't know it only happens on yours I wish it would happen on mine that'd be fun I'd draw images or something I think I've got like a beauty spot now oh no you just added one there we go just run for the way you got more oh listen we're having fun with jared's pixelization yeah i'm having pixels today jared let's make sure it's not contagious okay yeah i'll get a topical cream for it all right well i don't even know where our thread of thought was on that just to say the least um we don't agree um other you're all wrong the public please send all hate mail to chris other other, it's not really Zen news, because this news has been out for a while, but it's more arcade one-up news, is that they finally pushed through the patch that Zen has had ready for some time for their pinball machines, making, by all accounts, Whitewater now playable, and Junkyard now playable. Yep. Which is really good to see. Yes. Apparently, though, it's also made other things playable, Jared. Like all the other product lines on the one cabinet if you choose to flash the firmware uh from the other skus onto your let's say williams machine you can have star wars on there if you want so that's interesting suddenly that 850 price point seems a little better a little better yeah if you're going to the trouble of actually doing a firmware flash every time you want to try new tables out so So here's the interesting question then. Is Arcade 1UP going to fix that? Do they have a way of hashing and identifying what SKU you're flashing from in 2? Or is anybody that's buying these going forward, assuming that the new machines have the updated PCB, will it just include all three? Or, I mean, like, is it possible that they're looking at their price and looking at games, what they're including for basically the similar price, which is all $200 worth of Zachariah tables? I don't know. I'm just kind of curious to know if that was just an oopsie or a oopsie. Oh, you can do that. Oh, okay. Well, that's interesting. and then we'll just walk away slowly from the discussion. Well, I mean, that's really good for people who have had trouble getting their hands on one. But it's also kind of potentially good for people who are on the fence about buying another cabinet because we have to realize and acknowledge that these people who buy IK1 up machines, they do like to actually collect the cabinets. Yes. That's what they buy it for. So this could also be a sales opportunity for people who want to try the other versions of the games and see if they actually want to go all in and actually pay the, what, $650 US for the other cabinet or not. So, you know, there's... While this may or may not be an accidental move, it could potentially result in some more sales as a byproduct. Or it could just mean that people start sideloading Marvel onto their attack from Mars. Or actually, the other way around, probably. Yeah. From Marvel to Williams, I would say. Or it's going to prompt a new firmware patch promising even better gameplay, and then it knocks everybody back down to only being able to have whatever SKU it was that they were purchased, and everybody's going to be then posting, don't update! I would say probably if you have an Arcade1Up pinball machine, you should download all three firmwares now. yeah keep those keep those safely stored somewhere on your computer your windows computer not your mac because it doesn't support that um i was looking at the technology they're using to flash this um and it like the the image flashing thing that you do i mean the video that they they did was pretty self-explanatory it was well done uh i'm guiding you through how to do the flashing process and i'm going wow that's some pretty old tech that they're using there um so yeah uh kind of interesting but look it gets the job done yeah um but the the way it works is you load the firmware and then you essentially power off the machine power back on and it does the android install like it tidies up all the sk all the packages and stuff that are on the build so it's very much like you can tell it's definitely an Android based system because it's sort of you deploy the firmware and then you let the device restart and it installs the firmware which is very much like when you're flashing a custom ROM onto your Android phone so yeah that was interesting to see anyway it's good news at least that that finally went through. Oh the fact that it's out that's great I mean how long has that been now? six months? something like that I'm not sure how long Zen's had it available but it's been a couple of months yeah at least a couple although three months feels like six months at the moment it could be two years I don't even know something like that okay another thing if you follow our Twitter which if you don't what's wrong with you why not we don't spam you much If you follow our Twitter, you'll notice that I posted something there that was a free-running in the world's largest pinball machine. This has been going around the internet, this thing. Yeah, so Red Bull built a giant pinball machine on a 45-degree angle. And I thought maybe we would take a quick, brief glance at it. That's one hell of a rake. You're right. so I'm going to leave the the audio off because don't get done yeah so I mean that the first person view folks that kind of he laying it up there that like walking up and down your roof Yeah I done that and it not easy He pretty slick Yeah, he sticks it there. Yeah, he slides rather nicely. And then we go into this video, which I'll let you guys view on your own at some point, but let me just kind of give you an idea of free running on a 45-degree angle pinball machine. it kind of it's weird i mean it's there's some gravity defying like that it's just a bizarre that's cool yeah no the little flippers move or the little the big flippers so anyway it's yeah it's cool it is it's i see this being a music video this could easily be a music video oh yeah yeah you know totally yeah it's like pinball around the world that's what it is which i believe was a segment on the BlahCade Pinball Podcast at one point when we had the full compliment of of uh like eight people on the show we go people around the world what's going on in around the world in germany there's always nothing nothing yes um so if you guys want to uh if you want to check that out i'm sure jared will have it in the show notes possibly uh if not just go to our twitter oh yeah you'll see it where's my uh yeah my video well that was wacky yeah we're having some very odd video issues i'm glad it's not me see it's not just me well this is what happens when i dance between my screens sometimes the computer goes wait which did you want to pause yeah or would you like to just pause everything yeah yeah so what you're saying chris is you need to actually get like a full-on streaming rig like you know massive streaming rig you know with like 32 gig of ram and all that sort of stuff right and like you know five arrayed array of hard drives so you can like record everything really fast because that's that's a need not a want and also like a rtx 3080 in there as well right yeah should we just put that on a wish list somewhere somewhere right let me just accidentally buy that for us gift that to us right sure yeah because those are so easy to get a hold of right now easy yeah computers are easy to get you know what i was watching a uh a thing about because i didn't quite understand what the chip shortage was all about why it was and the brief explanation basically came with as code was about to hit all the companies decided hey we may not be selling as many things so they canceled a lot of their chip orders oh really yeah the cancellation of the chip orders obviously caused the company the the chip manufacturers to slow down and then COVID went full lockdown. Yeah. And everybody had that panic of, oh, what's this going to do to our economy of our business? So they really stopped ordering chips. But then all of a sudden everything sold out because everybody was at home and wanted electronics. Yeah. So that caused then... So it's a ramp up from going to basically zero or placeholder demand back up to regular production again. Right. And then one of the major chip manufacturers had a massive fire. Oh, that's no good. And killed their factory. And they said it takes something like three months to make the superconductors or the whatever the, I don't know what you call them. The semiconductors. The semiconductors. Anyway, it takes that long. Three months. So they were saying that it's not just the computer industry that's, you know, or electronics electronics industry that's having an issue car manufacturers they said there's like 60 000 trucks at ford sitting built just waiting for a chip yeah waiting for the ecu yeah and so everybody is now waiting and uh so they didn't obviously they thought that there was going to be less demand instead the demand like quadrupled by the consumers and then all the companies were then lagging behind. So this is why this whole shortage, it's just basically wound up being a giant snowball effect of oops. Yeah, wow. That was something we didn't really expect. No. And that relates to what we're going to be talking to you about next, which is Stern has shown off, announced their Godzilla pinball. Among other things, the price went up. Now, did the price go up because they're including this new bit of tech where you're able to scan you know scan your thing or did the price go up because chips and wood are more expensive right now I think probably a bit of everything really do you think the prices will go down when those things go down no no they're going to stay up and high you know that's I think we're are we going to get to the stone inside the scanning thing in a moment oh i was going to just show off the play field actually i'll just make a point i was talking to someone yesterday um like we went on a road trip up um the sunshine coast here in queensland yesterday because there's really good pinball up there and played mandalorian pro which incidentally is a heck of a fun machine to play you don't like it's not even premium it plays amazingly without that fancy play field it's great um so we were going up there and we were talking about the whole stern insider scanning your phone thing and what i didn't realize is it's a monthly fee and it's something like 30 bucks a month yeah so nice way of earning a little bit of extra cash there, Stern, but $30 a month, and this is probably $30, I think it might have been translated into Aussie dollars, $30 for a home enthusiast a month, just to share their scores and compete online, that's a big price to pay per month. That is more than any streaming service. So, I don't know how that's going to be received. Maybe the operators, what I'm hoping is operators who have sighted machines, they would have a volume discount. That's what I would think, because I'm like, What operator is going to want to pony up that? That cuts into their profits. Per month. That $30 might be all that machine takes per month, depending on where the venue is. I don't know if that's true or not, and feel free to correct us both in the comments, but I think that seems like a really excessive cost. I'm just going to do a really quick Google search now. You do the quick Google search. and you keep chatting about it. Yeah, so the Godzilla table, there is a huge discrepancy between the pro model and the premium model. What is that one? Okay, so let me bring up the image here. Okay, so here we go. Thanks to our friends over at This Week in Pinball. They have the old images here. So, very nicely colored table. I mean, my goodness. Zombie Yeti went nuts on this, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, there's not a Photoshop to be found on this. Also nice. Wow, look at all those wire forms. Just wire form city. So, that's fantastic. Pristine with chrome, isn't it? Yes. That looks great. Basically, the ramps are all metal. Wire forms are all metal. There is no plastic ramp, no plastic habit trails on this table. So, thumbs up on that. That's great news. The area to focus on here is, because this is the Pro model that we're looking at right now. You have this big building right here. That's one area to notice right now. Also notice the lovely flat piece of plastic Godzilla and the flat piece of plastic Mechagodzilla. And this area underneath. That's a big missing emission. Yes, so we'll highlight what you're missing there. Other things to note, though. One pop bumper? Weird. Yeah. But are they more up the top? No. It's a single pop bumper game. That's unheard of in a machine. Because, like, Gary is like, no, a stern machine isn't a stern machine. Let's say it's three pop bumpers minimum. That's his rule. Yeah, there's this interesting magnet right here that apparently can capture the ball in different locations and then send it in different directions? That seems really interesting. So it's a directional magnet. Yeah. Which is like, what? How does that work? So that's kind of cool. Just, again, shaking up where the gameplay is. And this is another Elwynn, isn't it? Yes. Another Keith. Yes. And this is what we see with these new designers coming in. They bring in new mechanisms that you just don't see of some of the older designers. Right. Okay, so let me keep on scrolling down. Here is your premium model. Now, quick look. Yeah, now we have a 3D model Godzilla toy, 3D Mechagodzilla toy. You're like, oh, well, the building looks the same, and oh, there's this bridge over here. Okay. Well, here's the deal. This building, think about it as the Doctor Who... Mini play field. Yeah, no, but what does that thing call? Time expander. Time expander. It goes from flush to all the way up to the top and moves up and down. It doesn't do jack on the Pro. It's solid, doesn't move, no mechanics, right? Because of that, this has a whole ball locking mechanism based off where the building is, diverts where the ball is going to be going. this whole bridge thing does a collapse meaning the balls can be sent off it and redirected yeah in all sorts of various manners um there's gonna be some close-ups of this uh in various pictures uh also this whole mechanism here that i was talking about it rotates yeah so there's all these stand-up targets right here rather than having to hit them with your side flipper it rotates into the front and then you can hit them with your lower flippers so the pro is absolutely toothless yeah also mecha godzilla has a magnet which can be suck up the ball trap it yeah it's just full of tech like the premium is like this one is not one it's basically the same as um uh Swords of Rage. What is it? Mind Blank. Black Knight. Swords of Rage Pro. This is premium. Okay. Like, completely different game. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see if we can look at some close-ups. That's your LE, which doesn't really matter. Who cares about LEs? You buy the premium. Yeah. So here's the close-up of the magnet, where it can obviously magnetize. any which way you want. I'd love to see that thing in action. Yeah, that'll be interesting to see. And I'm not sure if it can hold multiple balls at the same time or not either. Probably can. It's essentially like the spinning disc on Twister and on... What is it? Turtles. Okay. But with way more tech in it. I'd love to see the mechanism below that thing. So here's your pro version of the building. Like I said. Oh. I mean, it doesn't... The building itself doesn't look bad, but it doesn't move, folks. It's very much the same as looking at the pro version of Stranger Things versus the premium. Yeah. It's a very different machine. Yeah. And the building moving up and down, all I can think of is Earthshaker's earthquake. Dude collapsing. Collapsing. Which wasn't in... It was only in prototype. But then everybody found the mech and built it. until they, you know, you can find plenty of them with it working. But as opposed to here's your other. So look at this. You've got spot for ball there, spots for ball there, spots for balls there, spots for balls on the top where there's a magnet to hold and drop multiball. Yeah. It's so much stuff going on there. That's a lot of difference happening. That's a bigger lot. There's your bridge. There's the bridge. And, oh, they're not showing the bridge. collapse. Anyway, that whole bridge collapses. It basically goes like that. There's your Mechagodzilla. I'm not sure if they show... No, they're not showing a picture of it with it spun around. Anyway, these stand-up targets, the whole thing rotates so that they then are right here. Come down the bottom so you can smash them. You can see that there's that big banana insert that you see there. That will just be lighting up going, smack me, hit me now, hit the target. Godzilla toy. It's better than the... Let's see if there's anything else. No, that's about it. It's better than the flat piece of plastic, which when I saw it, I was like, seriously? Really? Because how much is that Godzilla toy? Really? I understand the Mechagodzilla, because it actually does something. It actually has a magnet in it, right? But the regular Godzilla, you couldn't... Everybody's going to go find a little $5 rubber toy and mount it on there. Yeah, sure. So I'm going back to the price of all access. So I think it's linked to, if you're a Stern Insider, which you can join up for free, the basic access version where you can look their podcasts and forums and stuff like that. Then you've got the all-access pass. Now, it's not a month. It's $39 a year. So that's not... Okay, that's better. That's okay. Like $39, $40 a year, US, per machine, probably. It doesn't really say that. There's not a lot of information because you need to sign up for the service. And, you know, there's that. Yeah. So, yeah, but there's a few images up there that people have grabbed before they locked down the site. So you can do this on Godzilla, Led Zeppelin, Jurassic Park, Black Knight Sword of Rage, and Elvira. Because eventually you're going to be able to do it on every single spike too. That's correct. Yeah, they're going to be rolling out the – you can go and buy the aprons that have the little scanner in it, or you can just put the scanner in separately. There's a little hole you can put it in. So you can retrofit this technology onto any Spike 2 machine, which is pretty much any game that has... For $700. $700 for it, hey? Yeah, that's pretty expensive. Yeah. So it's $200 wholesale for the retrofit kit, and either $200 or $300 extra for machines shipped between launch and 2022. so the wholesale kit that is put it this way you won't be able to buy it for $200 as a retail customer I could have sworn that Kerry Hardy was saying that it was maybe he didn't actually say the price maybe what he was saying was the difference oh no no I know what it was the $700 is how much more expensive Godzilla Pro is from what was the last machine they came out with? I guess it was Led Zeppelin. It was, unfortunately, Led Zeppelin, yes. Anyway, there was a $700 price increase for the Pro. I think it's a $1,100 price increase for the Premium and a $1,300 price increase for the LE Premium. The LE? yeah limited edition yeah anyway i don't know it's like stern's making some cash grabs there they're definitely making some money but this is like this whole subscription business it's kind of a guaranteed revenue stream it is so you can see why all these companies are doubling down on it like it is it's a thing but yeah i think the the retail is looking like about $300 for the actual scanner. Okay. Because there's a post here by K. D'Python Anghelo on the Tilt Forums that says the MSRP is $6,199 for a pro, and then the Insider Connect equipped is $6,499. So it's like $300. So the agents will get $100 from it. Right. What's interesting as well is on the whole limited edition market and stuff, it looks like Stern is going direct to customer in their sales model now. They're actually not going through distributors. And so down here in Australia, we're going to see less LEs coming into the market down here. We already didn't get a lot of LEs down here, but we're going to see even less. And that's infuriating some of the really rich people down here that have a lot of money to spend on games. so everyone's going boo-hoo, just go and buy premium, which is the solution because there's heaps of those. Well, the funny thing, and the LE basically just seems like you're getting a lot of certificates and little blackouts. You're getting a lot of paperwork. Yeah, with very minimal, I mean, other than cabinet art being different, there's gameplay, there's no differences for the most part. I don't think they're doing what Jersey Jack was doing, where their LEs, like, there was even more lights, you know, and better sound system and stuff. I don't think Stern's going that route yet. I think the Premium and LE sound packages are the same. Yeah, I think so. But the only difference really is art and signatures from the designer, which is like, eh, I really don't care. it's still well and truly out of my price range down here but you know it's going to be interesting to see these roll out but I'm just wondering if to take advantage of this feature on the Stern machines whether you as a consumer will actually have to pay the membership to become a Stern Insider or not because I'm not sure about that I don't know whether it's an operator cost only or whether it's two sides. Like, you've got to be a member of the Stern Insiders Club, not just a basic member, but a paid member. I have a feeling, if I'm not mistaken, that it almost seems like it's being passed on to the consumer as a premium option on games. Now, if that's the case, no. I don't think I really want that. so hang on no it says basic access includes score tracking, achievements, forums, podcasts and eligibility for some prizes so no you can get some stuff for free so you can do your score tracking and track your leaderboards and stuff with basic access so that's fine and then the all access will give you sneak peeks into the world of Stern Pinball and then behind the scenes content and then you know Exclusive limited edition merchandise. Meh. It's irrelevant for Australia because it costs three times as much to ship it down here as it does to actually buy it. Limited access to purchase limited edition pinball machines. So essentially it's the same as Spooky Pinball's Fang Club, where Fang Club members get early access to the ordering backlog first for limited editions. And then special game-related content, which is coming soon. So there are subtle differences between it, but I'd be just going with the basic access. Thanks very much. I don't care that much, actually, about all the other stuff. Real quick before we move on to the next segment. Comparison, Jared, between playing Mandalorian in VR and playing Sern's Mandalorian. It's, you know, it was funny. I was saying to Chris, the person that I went up the coast with, I was saying, you know, it feels really weird to be standing in front of this machine and not seeing the razor crest floating around the playfield. But what is interesting is that I think probably playing the two, Stern's done a better job of the game. They've really got the flow down in this game. It is even the pro version. All the shots feel great. I was able to consistently hit the major ramp shot like five times in a row to get back into the mini play field again um so that felt really satisfying to go yeah i dialed in within the matter of two games and i shooting that ramp really consistently whereas strangely enough i didn't really feel that level of dialed inness on on the vr offering yeah from zen so again it's it is because it's a different medium um but still i really do think stern had done a very credible job with this license and the sound and the sound package is way more dynamic on this than it is on Zen's offering as well. Okay. Everything sounds really good and really high fidelity, whereas everything on the Zen version, the soundtrack doesn't really come through as crisply as it does on the Stern one. Because they had this one cranked. I don't play the game soft when I play it on VR. I have it at a reasonable volume, It just doesn't have the same dynamic feel to it. So, yeah, standard good. Okay, good to hear. All right, so we made mention of this, and weekend one of this has already passed. There's another weekend of it coming up on... Bringing up my calendar here. on the 24th of September will be the next. What am I talking about? I'm talking about the auction of the Banning Museum of Pinball collection of games, basically. So it was arcade and pinball games. They have over 1,100 of them. Of that 1,100, I believe about 700 of them were pinball machines. Selling the works. Five sale. Yeah. I think they were hoping that they'll be raising $7 million worth from this collection. Wow, that's a lot. It's a lot, but again, when you've got 1,100 machines. So anyway, the weekend one of the auction happened last weekend. And let's just say the prices were kind of stupid. welcome to australian pricing chris this is what we're paying down here for the games let's go through them okay we're gonna go through this and i want you folks to keep in mind here also the hammer price does not include tax and does not include the 18 fee buyers premium buyers premium of whatever it costs so essentially think of the prices as being 25 higher than what you're about to see which is going to make you when we actually reveal some of the prizes on these things go wtf mate yeah um i'll also point out like i said i've been to the museum i played their machines the machines played really nicely um but these are not collectors additions right machine right these are not pristine machines they're in good condition machines the playfields by and large weren't like hammered um you know so they're really good player condition yeah but anybody that's looking to bring one of these into their home with their other you know brand new mint machines or whatever you're gonna have to do some restoration on these you know the cabinets yeah the cabinets aren't anything to you know cheer about and you know you're gonna have some broken plastics here and there and you're gonna have some you know none of these are modded none of These have amazing... These are solid-banded pinball machines. Yeah. Okay, so here we go. Bam-o! Let's just start right off the top here. Well, hang on. A Gottlieb Amazing Spider-Man? Yes. Okay, so this is a System 80s era. Actually, System 80s? System 1, maybe. Gottlieb, $3.50 US dollars. This was your... Plus 25%. Right, and this was the very first table to come across the auction, right? My thing is, look at here. We have an EM for $2,600. 8-Ball Champ. How long ago was it? $2,300. Waterworld, $4,900. It's Waterworld, people. Look, you know, I've seen them go for $4,900 Australian. Spanish Eyes. You can play this in the Pinball Arcade. $2,700. When you were playing Spanish Eyes, were you thinking, Wow, that's a machine I need to own. No, not for that price. Let's see. Here's another EM for $1,700. That's probably about the lowest you're going to see an EM. I do laugh at the Special Force pinball from Valley, only $1,900. That's a System 11, isn't it? Yeah, it is. That's going to be the lowest System 11 you'll ever see. I'll go bargain there. Like, really? Yeah. That was probably the bargain of the whole show, I think. Let's see what else we have. Comet, $3,000. Hollywood Heat, $3,500. This is that Miami Vice knockoff. It's not that good. Really? Diamond Lady, $3,800. Big House, $5,300. I don't know what Big House is. I don't even either. Jax to Open, $2,800. Lights, Camera, Action. three grand gladiator 2900 the jack's open is a Mylstar it's a it's a gotlieb it's a gotlieb um uh distributor version okay so it's not even like a gotlieb brand let me see what else is kind of stands out here cuber for 8800 what pinball 8800 so hang on 8800 will get you a brand new unboxed stern right at the moment or you can have a really old pinball machine that good luck finding parts for it because cupid's one of those ones with the screen in it correct i don't know it's like those video i think it is actually a video It's like a caveman, which I played, and it's fun, but ain't worth $88. Let's see here. Spirit. There's a... A solid state. One of those giant square Gottliebs. Like, the monster Gottliebs. $6,300. Yeah, right. Followed by Black Hole, that only went for $3,800. Do you know what? I actually got the chance for the first time ever to play a real black hole up in Sunshine Coast Pinball. It's not as fast as the Pinball Arcade version, I can tell you that much. Why do you think I was complaining all the time about it? Yeah. It's a floaty machine. You know what else? Just as a very quick side, you know the gate that allows you to go back onto the playfield again from the lower playfield? one thing that doesn't happen in the pinball arcade version is if you trap up on the right and it rolls back over that gate that gate will swallow your ball and send it straight down the out lane so that didn't happen in pinball arcade you could trap up all you liked on that flipper jerry didn't you have an opportunity for a pink panther i've got a pink panther 4300 bucks my friend well i'm sitting on a gold mine then i i've got i've got it downstairs in unrestored condition and 4300. Wow. That gives me an idea of the price. Oh, here. Class of 1812. 4600. Not a chance. Cactus Jacks. 3 grand. I played that at 83 grand. Raven. Now, you know what? I played a really nice Raven and it's not terrible. There's some fun shots on that table but it's not $2400 either. 34 plus 25% of that. Yeah. It's like... These are just the Gottliebs. We're not... Oh, Rescue 911, $3,700. Freddy, $5,800. Look, I played Freddy last night, and it's not bad either, but it's not nearly a $6,000 machine. No. Let's see what else is... I think a lot of Gottliebs. Well, this is what they auctioned off first, was the Gottliebs. Get the Gottliebs out of the way first. Yeah, get them out of the way. Trying to see if there was anything else that was interesting in the Gottliebs. Okay, now we're into the arcade games. I'm going to skip past the arcade games, get back into the pinball machines. Okay, okay, okay. Because I don't know what the prices of any of these are either, although I'm sure that they were outrageous too. Yeah, probably. Arcade, arcade, arcade Lots of arcades Looks like they really got rid of their arcades in a big bulk lot as well So many arcades There's going to be some people out there that are going to be very excited I saw something in Zachariah No, that's a Zachariah video game Because I know they have Zachariah's there So, um... Arcades. All the arcades. Oh, my goodness. Oh, here we go. Now we're back in, too. Yep. Yep. Okay, Mary Shelley's, 5,300. South Park, 7,700. Baywatch, 8,000. Last Action Hero, 6,500. Oh, man, no. Godzilla's not one you see around a lot. Jurassic Park, 8,300. That's the Data East Jurassic Park. You could buy a brand new one in box. Brand new Jurassic Park for that price. And I guarantee it's better. Oh, yeah. There was a discussion we had on one of our local pinball forums here about what game do you think has a completely redundant upper flipper? And one of the ones that came up was Jurassic Park by Data East because you can shoot the dinosaur from the right flipper and that loop really gives you nothing. Yeah. So you could have that flipper completely not working and not miss a single thing. Lethal Weapon for five grand. Star Wars Pinball Machine for eight grand. The Data East one. Oh, with the jumping. I may not be a fan of the new Stern Star Wars, but you could get Star Wars Pro and probably have a better time with it than the Data East one. Well, it wouldn't break. So, yeah. It's not 30-year-old boards in it. Yeah. Hey, look, a GNR. Data East GNR for $8,100. That is probably the price for that. I have to say. It's a popular machine. It is a popular machine. I'd say that's... Unfortunately, that's... It's still hot. That's still on the high side. But... But not as ridiculous as some of the other ones we've seen here. Right. Simpsons 8500. Is that... Okay. Oh, look at this. Simpsons Guthrie. Back to the future, folks. 14 grand. 14 grand. 14. No way. You could buy a Guns N' Roses Jersey Jack for that. well if you could find one like you could have bought the premium or the LE edition of Guns N' Roses for that and had change that is ludicrous the change you would have had would have paid for the shipping directly to your house and you still probably would have had money left over compared to this yeah wow let's see what else we got that's of interest looking oh hey here it says here's another em that went for less than two grand rare there you go travel bargain there's there's another jive time folks two grand jive time was the joke of people whenever people were like when are you gonna bring jive time to pinball arcade because everybody hated it in the gottlieb pinball hall of fame collection well i they really hated it, but it was pretty much the joke of that. Yeah. Apollo 13 for $7,700. Grand Lizard for $4,500. High Speed. Not Getaway, just High Speed, $7,200. $7,200. No way. Banzai Run at $14,500. That doesn't surprise me. No, but it's too high. It is too high, but it doesn't surprise me. A Red and Ted Roadshow for $5,000? Okay. That's actually a bargain. That's a sleeper hit, that game. That is. Someone got a bargain there. Space Station, Pool of Sharks. Here's my bargain right here. Roller Games for $3,500. I got news for you folks. That's, yes, it's on the high side for Roller Games, but not by much. Like, a lot of times I've been hearing Roller Games going for about $3,000, $2,500 to $3,000. So, if anything, I'm happy to know that my roller games will still be affordable if I'm able to buy it one day. One day. One day. Whirlwind, there's my other game that I want, but not for $7,200. Oh, no. No. Bad Cats for $9,900. Are you kidding me? It's Bad Cats. No. No. What else do we have that's kind of interesting? Dungeons and Dragons. Scroll back up. Dungeons and Dragons. That's a really hard-to-come-by belly. At least down here it is. I've only ever seen one, and that was at Netherworld. Interesting game to play. Very odd return lanes where you have to actually press a button on the side to close the return lanes so your ball doesn't drain. So that's the... I never understood... I never know what to call these bellies. Yeah. Because this is the same... It's the same system that runs Strange Science. because they're not System 11. It was this weird E something. No, it wasn't a system something. It was like a four- or five-digit number. Oh, okay. But Bally had this whole bizarre, like, they were experimenting. They weren't amazing machines, but they were unique, and they were experimenting with all sorts of, like, wacky in-lanes or like what you're saying with having, you know, buttons to push to close lanes and uh yeah i kind of estimated value on that should be about according to this is pin side yeah um but um you know we should be looking at around i think two and a half like 2100 to 2400 um you know so yeah i mean that's sort of what we're looking at there now centaur 5900 yowch it's a 6803 belly 6803 6803 that's what we're looking for yeah um yeah vector which i think is a really fun unique pin but it ain't a 4700 pin it's a it's a two thousand dollar pin yeah um oh wait what was xenon 4900 yeah that's just it's not worth that you know medusa 4800 oh by the way I should point out how the auction was going they did it live at the warehouse at the museum they were just they were at this machine and they had somebody playing it and then they go on to the next lot number which was the machine that was right next to it so this is kind of a virtual tour of if you walked into the museum what it was like just one game after another game after another game this is how the row was set up essentially they were doing like 30 seconds or a minute of gameplay on each one and then they'd move onto a different aisle kind of thing uh like stars pinball 2600 from stern stingray 27 that's a fun machine um yeah all those cosmic princess australia jared 13 500 yeah wow okay that's uh that you see the i saw this on a meteor a stern electronics meteor down here in australia leisure and allied industries had the right to reproduce the games down here. So they obviously ship playfield parts down here and assemble them down here. So we have some ones that actually are Australian branded stones down here. Orbiter 1, the bathtub table, $5,700. Yeah, I can keep that. You're not going to have $5,700 worth of fun out of that thing. No, you're going to have about $1,000 worth of fun. I frequently didn't have a quarter's worth of fun. I literally would play one ball and then be like, okay, that's enough yeah that's enough yeah um flight 2000 i actually got to play that without a sound board instance it was a it was basically place condition up at some sunshine coast because i hadn't refurbished it but i saw it then i went oh my god i've never played this before because you just turn it on i'll play it without sound um it doesn't play quite as fast as pinball rk but it's still pretty fast um so a fun game to play okay we're at the uh we're at the rove sterns so wheel of fortune high roller casino austin powers all the awkward 2000s machines um oh cap cop uh break shot from capcom that's a fun game it is a fun game um monopoly for 10 grand or 10 one um of that we're back into some gotlieb uh Let's see what else. Genie, $2,800. That's probably not bad for that, actually. I mean, you can buy Pascal boards to actually get rid of the horrible System 1 spider chip on those. Was Force 2 another one of your machines? I've got a Force 2, yeah. $4,300. $4,300, eh? Right. The other one you've got to look out there is Timeline as well, because that's the third machine that I have. I don't think there's a Timeline yet. we saw it. I haven't seen it. I've been looking out for it, and I haven't seen it yet. Alright, so here we go with Hercules. That's the giant pinball machine. 18 grand. That's not worth 18 grand. Maybe the timber is in the current market. If you think it costs a lot to ship a regular pinball machine, now imagine shipping a 6 foot long or wide, I don't know how wide that thing is. It's massive. It's massive. the Jetsons $5,700 Thunderbirds $4,500 oh it ain't worth that um oh wow Spookshow I played that last night as well uh that's not worth $11 no ACDC Lucian $12,000 yeah yeah Ghostbusters $10,000 now we're getting into the uh oh $17,000 for a head-to-head joust wow jeez okay i mean they're hard to come by but uh yeah doctor dude five grand party zone 42 that's the same era yeah black rose 5300 elvira party monsters is 8200 not for that dirty hairy nine grand the shadow creature 11 grand oh here this is where we're getting into the good prices jared we're getting i was i was tweeting or messaging jared because i was watching this live and just updating him while he was at work. And I was just staggered at these prices. Creature, $11,000. Twilight Zone, $15,000. That's unmodified. Unmodified. Stock standard Twilight Zone for $15,000. Judge Dredd, $9,500. Popeye for $6,100. Even Popeye gets $6,000. That's like... World Cup, $64,000. $8,000 for Doctor Who. So this was an interesting auction to watch, the NBA Fast Break. So NBA Fast Break, two people bidding. Two people were bidding. Boom, $6,800. Next one goes. Same two people are bidding. And it got too high for the guy that won the first one. Then it went for $8,000 to the other person. You can guarantee he wanted to link head-to-head on the game. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Yeah. Adam's family, gold edition, $22,500, folks. Oh. Just get a regular item from me. Put the ROMs in. Save yourself the money. With the ROMs in, and then go buy some gold pop bumper caps, and go powder coat the rails gold, and maybe spray paint the bookcase gold, and voila, gold edition. Gold edition. Yeah. AFM, 10-2. 10. 10 and a quarter, scared stiff, 8,500. Champions Pub, 9 grand. Wow. Circus Voltaire, 11-5. That's way too high. And then Tails for 14. Another Guns N' Roses LE right there, walking out the door. This one kind of blew me away. Cactus Canyon, 12 grand. someone obviously wants that for the continued set but here's the thing that should have gone off and I think that hurt the price because if I'm not mistaken that's about the going price that Cactus Canyons were going for previously I know that Farsight paid a buttload of money for their Cactus Canyon they never told me the price but they said it was the most expensive pin that they purchased Yes for a penalty thousand machine Yeah. Yeah, good luck with that. Guardians, $13,000. Avengers Limited, $12,500. Stranger Things, $11,000. These prices are within the ballpark for resale on Spike 2s at the moment. Jurassic LE, $13,000. Yeah. Avira 14,500. Pinball Magic. Good table. Seven grand. Theater of Magic. 11,000. I love that they have those back-to-back. Yeah. WHO dunnit? Embryon. Here's your wide bodies, your ultra-wide body ballets. So Embryon 49, Space Invaders 7. It's about the artwork, I think, because it's not a great table. I don't like them. Future Spa 31. That's pretty... Future Spa. It doesn't exactly go in everybody's home. No, it's definitely an acquired taste. And it's weird. It feels like a square play field that way. It does. Well, all of these are square playfields. They really are, yeah. Hot Dog and Lost World. So those are all your ultra-wide bodies. Obviously Space Invaders. I think, again, just because of the artwork. That art package, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you have Space Invaders next to an alien pinball machine, that's that'd be pretty solid um okay so six million dollar man for 3700 which i just gotta go what i was watching another auction this one was for gas monkey garage uh car collector okay okay he had gone and purchased this entire collection of motorcycles it's called the cannenberg collection uh something like 160 motorcycles about 40 to probably about 40 different vehicles on all sorts of memorabilia okay right among the memorabilia was oh excuse me it wasn't a six million dollar amount okay i'm gonna have to keep my eyes up it was i got the two mixed up it was an evil kenevil oh they showed they showed the evil the legs were completely rusted the cabinet was just beat to hell trash they showed the playfield If they didn't turn that thing on, I don't think it powered up. Rubber was cracked and broken. You know, something to play with was just a mess. $2,500. What? Nah. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Now, again, car people, sure, I guess they want the Evel Knievel table, but it's going to take a lot of work to get that thing up and running. Fireball 2 for $3,000. Switchback. Playboy pinball for $9,000. Switch back to the screen, Chris. Oh, I didn't go to the right one. There we go. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah. So, Bally Playboy, $9,000. No. Kiss, $8,200. That's the Bally Kiss. These music kits, man. I'm going to brag about that machine. It's not worth that. Oh, here we go. This one's me. EBD. Yeah. $5,700. That's all right. I don't know why they said large display. All it was was a blue display. Watch. I think if I click on this. Oh, they're not going to show me the picture? Yeah, here we go. Yeah, so there it is. It's got a blue display. Is it large display as in it's got extra digits? Maybe. You know what's interesting? It says fifth place up here. Mine definitely doesn't do alphanumeric. Yeah. So obviously it has something different done to it. Yep. I did look at both of these when I was there. Their playfields were clean, not cracked. They were nice playfields. But I don't get the price jump. But $12,500? No, that's too much. Yowch. Transporter. Yeah, I played that. Yeah. That's an interesting game. Sea Witch, $3,700. Iron Maiden 8500 not for that Iron Maiden what have we got we have Matahari SS's for 4247 and then the EM version for 7 grand you know that Iron Maiden pinball machine Stern 1980 I wonder if someone thought that was the the later model Iron Maiden right and they went oh it's hot it's biting it's like no it's going to be sadly disappointing when you get that one home um da da da da okay oh these are a lot of there's evil can evil 5500 well the fact that it's working probably helps body or power play pinball 40,000 you will not find plastics for that and I guarantee the plastics are going to be ruined what is that game it's a hockey I mean it's it's a pinball machine but it's hockey themed but the plastics are really long one single piece and all the incandescent lights just melted the crap out of them and it's one of those things that there's yeah i part of the reason why i know this is because i bought when i was looking for trying to find the bells the spacer bells for my machines um nobody sells them just by themselves people were selling them by the plastic and guess what i bought to get my bells off of it's a bobby or a piece of plastic it's warped beyond belief um big shot four grand righto for an em yeah we're back into em world here um okay there's another 1900 another sub but all these other ems are going for look at this three grand for jeez louise people a wedgehead so these are 1960s 2100 what's this blue note pinball 7500 i don't even know what that is no these are these are just el dorado em 3600 well that's the best el dorado centigrade three centigrade i love that it's centigrade 37 and went for three grand that's about appropriate, right? Yeah, that's about right. Everything good naked is. Jungle King. I'm just a slick chick. 7,800. That's popular. I mean, it's one of the better known name EMs, that's for sure. Let's see if anything else stands out. See, there's not a lot. And we're only halfway down the list, Chris. Well, no, because we're almost done with this. because then there's what is going to be coming. Oh, it's not quite. All right, so it's a full list, but it also includes ones that have not yet been auctioned. Yeah. Right. So I'm just going to nip it. That's the pinball that was in Happy Days. It only went for $2,000. Oh, right. Yeah, when everybody always talks about pinballs that you've seen on TV shows, that one was there. Then we're back into arcade games. So let me just scroll through here, folks, and show you what's coming up. So in case you want to tune in next weekend. Arcades, arcades. Because you can tune in live. Here's some EMs. All right, so we've got some EMs. These are going to be Williams EMs. There was even a bingo there. It was a Chicago coin back up there. Yeah. Where was it? Wait, no. Up a little bit. Somewhere. It just flashed by. But I saw it. Hyperball. Oh, yeah. That would be another interesting one to buy. Another Chicago Coins Stagecoach Pinball Machine. Black Knight Edition. Ripley's. Playboy from Stern. Rollercoaster Tycoon. Lord of the Rings. Golden Eye. Bugs Bunny. Birthday Bash. That one. Trash Machine. Nope. um tx actor yes yes um what else is a mr and mrs pac-man i got a soft spot for that one and i think that i think that would make a brilliant addition to zen and i'm sure arcade one-up would love it oh yeah you kidding me you kidding me if they had the the the backbox being the pac-man machine like it is with then the bottom half being the pac-man pinball come on that's baby pack that's baby pack that i'm thinking mr mrs pac-man is true nothing 100 pinball oh that's right yeah yeah but which is the one that i prefer i prefer that one baby pack is kind of weird wonky no caveman now i i played caveman yeah um it is brutal as a game it is it will destroy you it is so hard uh trying to think of whatever cyclone mouse and around there mouse and round right space shuttle firepower two firepower i'm gonna need to keep my eye open and see what that one goes yeah that's right now gorgor um the stellar wars yeah geez primus primus big bucks pranos indiana jones curious to see how that's that'll go for a pretty penny i'm sure oh probably unfortunately oh here we go there's the zax so they have farfallas yeah circus combat locomotion devil rider magic castle zancor time machine pinball champion devil riders so yeah i played these there and this is where i gained appreciation for Magic Pixel's physics. Yeah, because it's pretty accurate. Well, yeah, there's a different flipper mechanism going on with these folks. Yeah, they have a really steep flipper. Well, but no, but it's the timing, too, and the strength of them. They're not William's flipper mechs. So, that's what I'm saying. They actually did a good job with their physics when, truth be told. I played a Magic Castle yesterday actually not at netherworld and it was completely different experience to the one at netherworld well the one netherworld has weak flippers um and the rake on it is set way too steep for that era of game here's one uh domino spectacular pinball adventure so that's one of those custom it's custom ones alice cooper nba basketball stern rare i don't know that one Safe Cracker. Dialed In. More ACDCs. Iron Maiden. Iron Man. Aerosmith. Batman. Funhouse. T2. Getaway. Giant Demonic. Whitewater Hurricane. Another Indiana Jones. Yeah, but that's the Williams sold site. So that's going to go for $20,000, I reckon. Yep. Yep. Star Trek. Demolition Man. Diner. No Fear. No Fear. Congo. Jackbot. Flintstones. fish ales junkyard medieval madness i don't see there again i'm wondering what that's going to go for because it used to go high and then the recreation came out so i don't know what that's gonna i think that's gonna sit at a reasonable price maybe uh super mario mushroom world i think we're back in arcade games and i know there's a few more uh I think some of those belly sold states of the 90s, we're going to be having this discussion again next time we meet at how ridiculous those prices have gone. We will probably have a follow-up to this. We'll do the same thing next time we meet and just go over the ones that are yet to go. There we go. Granny and the Gators. I haven't even heard of that one. Oh, excuse me. that's not excuse me i thought i was doing em here we go now we're back into these ems blah blah blah em em em em um yeah well lots of oh there's an elvin gene co yeah i think again yeah just tna deadpool the okay here's the here's the highway version of alien pinball wow that's gonna go um which yeah that'll be interesting because it turns out that it is different than the pinball brothers they made some changes yeah the highway pinball had more premium stuff in it which was amando rick and morty elvira avengers whitewood prototype wow okay someone's going to be buying that pirates prototype big bang bar big lebowski uh-huh magic girl one of only 16 made they wouldn't let you play this one Yeah, they wouldn't let you play this one. That's because it was in complete code as well. It didn't actually work. So, there's where, if you want to tune in, folks, this is the one you want to tune in for. Because I have a feeling these are going to go. Because where else can you get by at Whitewood? That's nowhere. And everybody wants Big Bang Bar. Yeah. And Big Lebowski is, like, good luck finding it. And then the Magic Girl one, yeah. Beatles. Jersey Jack. Guns N' Roses. Jersey Jacks Pirates, Wonka, another Simpsons family guy, Lord of the Rings, Tron. Tron's probably going to go for some dough. Yeah, it will. NASCAR, Spider-Man, Harley Davidson, yeah. If that one goes for a lot, I'm going to just punch somebody. Yeah, you're right. It doesn't deserve it. Dead Game of Thrones, Monsters, and Ghostbusters. That's it. That's your list, folks. that's a geez the prices so far like it there's going to be some ridiculous can you see why it's sad that this place is no more going yeah can you can you imagine this is what i've been saying walking into the building and that's what they had that's incredible i mean an incredible collection of pinball machines wow it just is your head spun yes because you didn't know what to touch first you literally would be like oh that you'd walk up to the table and you go and then you walk i mean there were so many times where i played a one ball and i looked over and i was like ah somebody got off that machine and then i just walk over and hop on that one So many left balls, abandoned balls in that place. It's just a staggering collection, and it's such a bummer. Because where else is that ever going to be possible again? Even the Pinball Hall of Fame in Las Vegas, I think technically it could hold all of these machines, but they're not going to do it that way. they're going to have on site I think 400 machines at any given time. And then some at the back. And the problem that I have with that collection it is heavily EM. Heavily. I mean like when you look at the list of available games you kind of scratch your head at what's missing. Right. I mean for instance, they don't have Whirlwind. What? How do you not have Whirlwind? And, you know, I think they don't have Earthshaker either. What they have for Lawler to start with is Funhaus. And that's the kind of thing where you just got to go, this is a bizarre collection that you guys have there. You know, they have most of the new Sterns. But like Jersey Jack, all they have is Wizard of Oz and Hobbit. That's it. Right. So they're not quite keeping up with what's coming out, which isn't, again, that's not their... the Pinball Hall of Fame was basically one person's collection, a couple of other people in Las Vegas, and they decided to, hey, let everybody play it. But it wasn't to keep on continuing to collect. It was a snapshot in time. Right, right. Now, because people coming in were like, hey, how come you don't have... They started purchasing new machines. And when they first opened, the whole thing was everything is a quarter. Well, then they started going, well, certain machines are going to be 50 cents. And then they went, okay, all new machines are a dollar. Yeah. Which is fair enough. Still a bargain, but... And their whole point is that all the money goes to charity. Yeah, because it's a foundation. Yes. That's a horrible whole family. So, what if the charitable code is over there? Right. I don't know. But it's not this collection. That's all I'm saying. It's not this quality. I didn't... As much as when I walked into the Pinball Hall of Fame, I was like, oh, yeah, cool. That's cool. There was a lot of me walking down the aisles going, well, where... I wonder if they have... No, I'm not seeing it. As opposed to walking into the Banning Museum and going, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, oh, yep, yep, oh, yep, oh, yep. It's hit after hit after hit after hit, you know? Yeah. So, anyway, again, folks, if you want to follow along live, next weekend uh starts the 24th goes uh i think it was all three days um but you bring your checkbook captainswarehouse.com i believe or captainsauctionswarehouse.com that's what it is captainsauctionwarehouse.com uh and you can follow along and laugh and laugh and keep your money firmly in your wallet i saw a couple of people posting pictures of their own home arcades with pinball machines going i will gladly sell any one of my machines for the same price that it sold for at the auction. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, you know, I'll sell it for the actual sale price, the hammer price, not with the tax payment. That's what they said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll give you that bargain. Like, geez. If you missed out, come and knock on my door. Far out. Oh, well. All right. That about wraps us up for our show here, Jared. Yeah, that was a bit longer than normal, but it was a fun one to do going over prices. Obviously, this is what happens when you scroll and start talking. yeah yeah it goes so much faster when i'm at home going yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know having the discussion inside my head yeah but you know this this is this is the nature of the show it is uh i'll make sure i put timing timing bits in the note so you can either stay around for that one or skip through it but it's the last one of the it's the last bit of the show so you just like if you're not interested in price discussion please yeah please uh out of curiosity because i've kind of the last shows haven't lent themselves to it and I've been lazy about not feeling like doing it in the comments are you guys missing the mini blockades or are you happy to just scroll through here because the funny thing is I would post the mini arcade blockades and then I'd get notes of hey this is just what you did in the full episode yes yes that's correct that's what the minis are all about for people who don't want to listen to the whole show so that's what i'm curious to know uh are you guys missing those do you want me to bring back the minis because if i'm doing it solely because i said i would and nobody cares then i'm not going to but if you're out there going damn it how come those aren't out there why do i have to scrub through the full episode well then maybe i'll do more yeah or maybe tell us as well like if if you don't watch them now when would you want the mini episodes would it be an interview episode perhaps where you can scrub through certain topics that we're talking about you know the other thing that um was very different and probably the first time this has ever happened for the show is that i didn't release a podcast episode for the last um show that we did which was purely visual yeah so i don't know if the the people notice that and that you'll see there will actually be a discrepancy in the episode numbering for this uh uh particular episode that will be done in post um so yeah don't don't email us it's intentional all right don't email us all about that we love the emails if you want to spy one off blah blah blockade at gmail.com uh probably the better way who hits us up is by sending us a tweet. Yeah. Which is obviously at Blockade. And next week, I believe Zen is doing another pinball show. And I'm pretty sure there's going to be some juicy information in that. So our next episode is probably going to heavily focus on that. Otherwise, as Jared likes to say, Stuff and things next time. Stuff and things. All right, folks. Until then, bye-bye. See you later.