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Winchester, Beetlejuice, Walking Dead Pinball Machines - Scary Pinball Themes

Pinball Pursuit·video·28m 27s·analyzed·Nov 24, 2025
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TL;DR

Horror-themed pinball machines Winchester, Beetlejuice, and Walking Dead Remastered analyzed.

Summary

Mrs. J and Dr. C discuss three recently released horror-themed pinball machines: Winchester Mystery House (Barrels of Fun), Beetlejuice (Spooky Pinball), and The Walking Dead Remastered (Stern). They analyze why scary themes resonate in pinball, critique the Walking Dead remaster's art package and lack of show representation, celebrate Beetlejuice's sold-out success and thematic accuracy, and praise Winchester's original design and innovative mechanics. The hosts conclude with dream scary Spooky Pinball themes they'd like to see: Goosebumps and Hocus Pocus.

Key Claims

  • Beetlejuice sold out in approximately one hour

    high confidence · Mrs. J: 'it is crazy how much is packed into this game... it sold out in like an hour'; Later confirmed: 'All of them are gone, right? All of them are gone.'

  • Winchester Mystery House had a production run of 525 units and sold out in less than 48 hours

    high confidence · Dr. C: 'they're only making 525 of them they sold out in less than 48 hours'

  • Beetlejuice pinball has 999 units total production

    high confidence · Dr. C: 'How many did they make initially? 999.'

  • The original Walking Dead pinball machine has no characters from the TV show on the playfield

    high confidence · Mrs. J: 'there's nobody from the show anywhere Tee'd Off be found on the original and on the new one still not... where's Carl you don't know these people where's Daryl where's Rick where's Glen where's like all of these people they're not on the playfield'

  • The Walking Dead remaster features LCD clips from the show drawn over in comic book style

    medium confidence · Dr. C: 'they're going Tee'd Off have clips from the show on the LCD, but they're going Tee'd Off be like drawn over comic book style, but still be the original characters. We haven't seen footage of it yet.'

  • Winchester Mystery House was inspired by or influenced the original Disneyland Haunted Mansion

    medium confidence · Dr. C: 'the original Haunted Mansion at Disneyland... Is modeled after that? Is modeled, and some of the stuff in there is based after the Winchester Mystery House.'

  • Karl DeAngelo, designer of Winchester, wanted the game to feel like a board game

    high confidence · Mrs. J: 'Karl DeAngelo, the designer, said he wanted Tee'd Off make this feel like a board game.'

  • Lyman Sheets created the code for The Walking Dead original pinball machine

    high confidence · Mrs. J: 'I know Lyman Sheets code is apparently like really special.'

Notable Quotes

  • “So you start the game dying. Just like the movie starts with, I forget their names, Alec Baldwin and Geena Davis dying.”

    Dr. C@ 12:16 — Highlights thematic integration of Beetlejuice's opening sequence into game mechanics

  • “I think people were just excited Tee'd Off see something that feels like an original theme that is a haunted house”

    Mrs. J@ 18:03 — Explains Winchester's rapid sellout success despite being an unfamiliar theme to most

  • “i feel like this just should have been called zombies like i i feel like i mean i know the walking dead name is going Tee'd Off bring people it is and that's why Stern did it originally yeah and that's partially why they did it again yeah but i just missed the story aspect. I didn't watch it for the zombies. I like the people.”

    Mrs. J@ 5:18 — Core criticism of Walking Dead remaster: lacks character representation despite the theme being about people and story

  • “It's very Tim Burton. Very Tim Burton. Very Tim Burton.”

    Mrs. J@ 10:19 — Humorous repetition emphasizing Beetlejuice's distinctive aesthetic

  • “You can't have a quiet pinball machine. No, you can't.”

    Mrs. J and Dr. C@ 23:20 — Practical game design constraint preventing A Quiet Place as a viable pinball theme

  • “Hocus Pocus is a terrible thing... I will ban Hocus Pocus from our house”

    Dr. C@ 23:47 — Dr. C's strong personal rejection of Hocus Pocus despite acknowledging its commercial appeal

Entities

Mrs. JpersonDr. CpersonWinchester Mystery HousegameBeetlejuicegameThe Walking Dead RemasteredgameSpooky Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinball Expo served as significant showcase event for Spooky Pinball's Predator machine with positive community reception

    medium · Dr. C: 'Predator came out a while ago... people said they liked it at Pinball Expo... just another Spooky Pinball thing that people like'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: The Walking Dead original remains a popular tournament machine despite its difficulty and complex rule set designed by Lyman Sheets

    high · Mrs. J: 'It's a very popular machine when it comes Tee'd Off the tournament... And I know Lyman Sheets code is apparently like really special... It is not simple at all'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Walking Dead Remastered criticized for minimal representation of show characters and story; focuses on zombie gameplay rather than TV narrative themes

    high · Mrs. J: 'i just missed the story aspect... i feel like this just should have been called zombies... i didn't think it would have been more after the show and i feel like there's a lot that they could have done'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Winchester Mystery House designed with board game mechanics and room exploration strategy, contrasting with traditional pinball rule linearity

    high · Dr. C: 'Karl DeAngelo, the designer, said he wanted Tee'd Off make this feel like a board game... you can select a room if you want Tee'd Off... you can jump Tee'd Off a certain room and play through that'

  • $

    market_signal: Spooky Pinball's market dominance in horror/scary pinball themes with multiple manufacturers now pursuing similar aesthetic, suggesting genre consolidation and FOMO-driven buying patterns

Transcript

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0:00
Hello and welcome to Pinball Pursuit. I'm Mrs. J. And I'm Dr. C. Today we're doing something a little bit special. We're going to talk about a bunch of the most recent releases from a couple of different companies and how they all share something in common. They're all a little spooky, but all a little scary they're all a little scary two out of the three aren't super scary just kind of a little but the third one yeah that's a little gross a little gruesome uh we're gonna be talking about winchester mystery house by barrels of fun correct we're gonna be talking about beetle juice correct by um spooky spooky yes and uh stern just remastered uh walking dead so we'll be talking about those three. Yeah and then we're gonna throw in a little bit of what we would love to see as a scary spooky theme. A little bonus. But why do you think the spooky themes have taken off? Why are there three new releases that have come out that are all spooky? Well Spooky, the company, they definitely have a thing. Right? Yeah. They've done so many Scooby Doo for kids. Yeah. They've done Halloween. they did America's Most Haunted, Alice Cooper, so they've just done Evil Dead obviously which was a huge hit for them. They've done a ton of these and it's just kind of interesting to see that that's their thing and I think other companies realize that people love it. When it comes to something like Manchester Mystery House you know that's haunted house and there's been haunted house themes in the past, people just like it and when it comes to a pinball machine a lot of scary spooky things have like building tension there's scenes that happen that kind of like get scary and then you get to like the final scare and that works really well yeah it does for pinball right you have your smaller modes that kind of build up to this crescendo more scary mode or if you're doing like a scooby-doo or a haunted house you have to explore all the different places and that works really well for I think pinball and modern pinball machines and how their rules are put together. And the people like it. What more do you need to say? People like it. I mean horror films just keep doing well. At the box office I think people just like... we don't love horror. Spoiler! We are not... I'm a baby. It's fine. I don't love a lot of scary things but it's fine. Yeah. It's good. So which one you want to talk about first? I want to talk about The Walking Dead first. Okay, let's talk about The Walking Dead. So, this is my history with Walking Dead. What is your history with The Walking Dead? I've never seen a single episode. The TV show. Never seen a single episode. You've never seen an episode? Not even one. Okay, I think we might need to go through, like, seasons one through four. Okay, that's where it's good? Yes, and see, this is funny, because I'm the one that's like, I don't like spooky things. And I have seen a good portion of The Walking Dead. Once they went to Terminus and they started, like, slitting people's throats, like the real people, that's when I was like, mm, okay, a little too much for me. But, um, funny story, I think I've mentioned before that I worked in a mental hospital. Yes, you did. You gotta put yourself through college. A girl's gotta eat. I've got a million stories. But The Walking Dead was on during that time, and that's what I would watch at work. Oh, okay. So, I was working at night. You watched a scary show, you were in raves at a mental hospital. Yep, I worked 10pm to 7am. That's right. Yep. And so, I would go out on break, and I would be very scared. anyway needless to say I had a good time with The Walking Dead I really enjoyed it and I was sad to see that there was not much of the show in that machine it's very just zombie heavy yeah and you've seen the original as well and how it looked like and there's like nobody from the show anywhere to be found on the original and on the new one still not I mean through the back glass you've got a few characters I don't know any of the names on the cabinet there's Michonne? Michonne and so there are two people that give call-outs I believe it's Michonne and Daryl whoever Michael Rooker is yeah I know who Michael Rooker is we'll find out but Michonne is one of them and then one other character they give some call-outs yeah which is cool but that's nice okay something but where's Carl you don't know these people where's Daryl where's Rick where's Glen where's like all of these people they're not on the playfield they're not on the playfield they have a crossbow which was daryl's oh is that what he i believe oh okay cool it's been many years it was back i i worked at the hospital between 2012 and 2015 so it's been a minute um but the only really call back to the show i mean there's the governor on one spinner yeah which is nice yep the main like really gross zombie in the middle that's like really well walker yes yes they pull him out of the well and they like have a rope tied around him and as they do it like his bottom half just like falls off and you can see all of his intestines it's really gross it's like been like burned into my brain how i continue to watch the show i don't know so i'm glad that there are a few callbacks to the show but i feel like this just should have been called zombies like i i feel like i mean i know the walking dead name is going to bring people it is and that's why stern did it originally yeah and that's partially why they did it again yeah but i just missed the story aspect. I didn't watch it for the zombies. I like the people. You like the people. I like the story. The triumph. The despair. All the things. So for you, theme-wise, this misses the mark because it doesn't have all the characters. No, because it's not. It's just zombies. It's just a vehicle to have a zombie thing. And I mean, I guess they called it out. It is just walking dead. Like it is just zombies. But I thought it would have been more after the show and I feel like there's a lot that they could have done like there's a lot of you know just memorable moments and things yeah like the well that's a that's a memorable moment and they put that in there right there's a lot more they do have like the big I think it's a jail that they are locked up and they have that off to the side they have a few little easter pieces but it's not very show centric makes me sad but um it was really cool in the trailer how they showed the difference between the dot matrix images yes and the the lcd apparently they're They're going to have clips from the show on the LCD, but they're going to be like drawn over comic book style, but still be the original characters. We haven't seen footage of it yet. Yeah. At least as of this recording. I haven't seen it yet. Yeah. If they come out, maybe we'll do an update. But did you play much of the original machine? No, I've never played it. You've never played it. And I've played it in some of the tournaments and stuff that I've gone to. It's a very popular machine when it comes to the tournament. It is hard. Is it hard? It's a hard machine. It is not simple at all. Not for the faint of heart. It is not for the faint of heart And I know Lyman Sheets code is apparently like really special Interesting I have not figured out how to play it pretty well

  • Dirty Pool Pinball (Jeff Dodson) did the sound design for Winchester Mystery House

    high confidence · Dr. C: 'dirty pool pinball i think is his name uh did all the sound he did a great job doing interviews with the cast the creators of the game'

  • The Haunted Mansion is one of the top requested pinball machine themes

    medium confidence · Mrs. J: 'the Haunted Mansion is one of the top requested pinball machines.'

  • “The tower. That's a better word. I like that you can select a room if you want Tee'd Off.”

    Mrs. J@ 18:22 — Highlights innovative room selection mechanic as key design feature

  • “I personally like well for going along with look the lights on the side that is super they're really cool with the bullets”

    Mrs. J@ 8:58 — Positive response to aesthetic lighting features on Walking Dead remaster

    • Barrels of Fun
    company
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Karl DeAngeloperson
    Lyman Sheetsperson
    Jeff Dodsonperson
    Christopher Franchiperson
    Tim Burtonperson
    John Borgperson
    The Walking Deadentertainment_ip
    Flipper Roomlocation
    Evil Deadgame
    Pinball Pursuitorganization
    Goosebumpsentertainment_ip
    Hocus Pocusentertainment_ip
    Are You Afraid of the Dark?entertainment_ip
    Pinball Expoevent
    Predatorgame

    high · Mrs. J: 'it's just kind of interesting Tee'd Off see that that's their thing and i think other companies realize that people love it... Why are there three new releases that have come out that are all Spooky Pinball?'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Walking Dead Remastered features LCD clips from show rendered in comic book style rather than direct footage, suggesting licensing or creative limitations

    medium · Dr. C: 'they're going Tee'd Off have clips from the show on the LCD, but they're going Tee'd Off be like drawn over comic book style... We haven't seen footage of it yet'

  • $

    market_signal: Beetlejuice sold out in approximately one hour with 999-unit production limit; Winchester sold out in under 48 hours with 525-unit limit

    high · Dr. C: 'it sold out in like an hour'; 'they're only making 525 of them they sold out in less than 48 hours'

  • ?

    community_signal: Christopher Franchi credited as artist on Beetlejuice, continuing Spooky Pinball association after transitions from other manufacturers

    medium · Hosts discuss Beetlejuice artwork by Christopher Franchi in context of Spooky Pinball's quality and design reputation

  • ?

    product_concern: Community consensus that original Walking Dead art package was 'ugly,' with Stern attempting redesign that alienated players who preferred darker aesthetic

    high · Dr. C: 'the old one is ugly i don't like how it looks... i feel like Stern was like, okay, well, you complained about it being ugly. Here's something different.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Significant community backlash against Walking Dead Remastered art package, with hosts agreeing the new palette (orange/red/blue) is inferior to the original darker aesthetic

    high · Mrs. J: 'Huge controversy on the online scene... People don't like the new art package... the color palette. It's all like oranges and reds'; Dr. C acknowledges the old one 'is ugly' but notes the new package fails to resonate

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Haunted Mansion is identified as highly requested IP for pinball, with Winchester Mystery House potentially satisfying similar demand through original historical property

    medium · Mrs. J: 'the Haunted Mansion is one of the top requested pinball machines... with Winchester Mystery House you know that's haunted house and there's been haunted house themes in the past, people just like it'

    • 7:12
    Let's just say we played it in the finals I was in just this last week, and I lost on that machine. Okay. Because I didn't know what I was doing. Oopsie. This is why I make tutorials. It's partially for myself, guys.
    7:25
    Yeah, so, like, it's an okay machine. Now, here's the question I want to ask you. You've seen what the original one looked like. Yeah. And you've seen this new one. Yeah. Huge controversy on the online scene that you may not have seen. People don't like the new art package. Like on the outside? Yeah. The new, just everything. The new art style of the machine. What are your thoughts on it? I mean, it's not my favorite. It's just like there's machine. I'm not sure. Do they have different ones? But like the color palette. Oh, the color palette? It's all like oranges and reds. Yeah, oranges and lots of blues and reds. Yeah, not my favorite. Really? Not my favorite. What would you prefer? kind of like the original one kind of like darker red darker grays and i feel like that fits it more because here's the here's the so that's fair yeah i think that's what a lot of people are saying a lot of people do not like this new art package i like the art package it's very unexpected it looks good yeah here's the thing the old one is ugly i don't like how it looks and I think most people before this one came out complained that it was ugly. Interesting. And so I feel like certain was like, okay, well, you complained about it being ugly. Here's something different. I wish I would have analyzed my thoughts about how the machine looked before the new one came out. Because I just like the other one better. Yeah. I feel like it just fits the theme more. It's just always, I feel, is in a dark corner. In any arcade I've seen it. Yeah. It's just over there. Well, it's a dark, scary zombie one. It makes sense.
    8:53
    yeah I'm excited to try out the new one like I said I want to see one in person I think it's I personally like well for going along with look the lights on the side that is super they're really cool with the bullets yeah yeah like and we're gonna get that on all machines I love that that's really fun yeah I can't wait to see what they're gonna do have like little pokeballs or yeah crazy that's exciting um i hope that they have like a bulbasaur a charizard and a squirrel version oh for like the premium pro anyway no more pokemon uh okay all in good time so that's our thoughts are you excited to play this one i mean i would want to give it a try again these are just my initial thoughts on trailers and other people's playthroughs and things. I'm just a little disappointed with the theme. And the theme means a lot to me.
    9:48
    As in, like, in general. Yeah. You know, themes. It's showtime. Let's go with a theme that you have only recently become acquainted with. Beetlejuice. You watched it for the first time last year, right? Yes. During Halloween. We watched it. It was a spooky movie. And we did a spooky but not super scary Halloween movie fest last year. and Beetlejuice, which I haven't watched since I was a child, but you had never seen it. No, I've never seen it. What were your thoughts on the movie when you saw it last year for the first time? It's very Tim Burton. Very Tim Burton. It is very Tim Burton-y. Very Tim Burton. Do I love Tim Burton stuff? Not always. It's hit or miss for me. Old Tim Burton, I love. Like, I do like Edward Scissorhands, even though there's the weirdest movie on the planet. And usually I don't love Tim Burton, because it's weird. But, no, this was it was good it was entertaining um we watched it so we could watch the second one yes i like the first one better second one was still fine um i mean that's a classic movie that most people have seen in their childhood and so well beloved yeah which is obvious because the machine sold out which is nuts in like i think an hour yeah so when did you first see beetlejuice and what did you think of the machine you have more you know sentimental feelings towards it i man i've been watching i've been watching beetlejuice since i was a kid okay uh dad showed it to me when i was a little kid love beetlejuice it is such a great film he is such a classic character um i've been wanted to see a sequel for a long time when they finally made it and it was okay it was could have been a lot better um so i am very excited by what they did this machine they i was very anticipatory of what they were going to do and unfortunately we're not in the position where we can really buy a 10 000 machine right now but it is crazy how much is packed into this game yeah a lot of iconic scenes which is fun like i like how they included the the bridge scene where they're going off. And the death part, you were explaining this to me. Yeah, so this is cool. I really like this about the Beetlejuice Puzzle Machine. You start by dying. Which is so funny. So they plunge you in, and you go down the out lane, and then it stops you with a bag and throws you back. So you start the game by dying. Just like the movie starts with, I forget their names, Alec Baldwin and Jeannie Davis dying. Yeah. So cool. So much fun. It is such a great film and it's so iconic and it's how it looks and this game looks amazing. It's packed with stuff. So many things like the ball lock couch. Ball lock couch for the waiting room. The whole waiting room area. Can we talk about that sandworm? The sandworm is insane. How it dances. I like how it gets to the day-o. Apparently everything starts dancing to the day-o. No way. I just noticed the fan worm. Oh, it was so cool. So cool. I missed stuff then. Yeah.
    12:56
    The different spellings of Beetlejuice on the machine is funny. Yeah, it's funny because it's spelled differently depending on where you're at. Yeah. So that's cool. On the side it's spelled one way and then on the apron it's spelled a different way. Those are the only two I noticed but I didn't notice more. And then there's the, on the gravestone that's sculpted in the game. Oh, yeah. Also has the original spelling too. And I like when he pops out. Yeah, he pops up. Yeah. For Beetlejuice modes. Mm-hmm. um the colors on this are striking bright yeah bright very beetlejuice-esque very perfect it is it looks like it's a perfect encapsulation of the film yep um and people agree which is why we sold that in an hour well in the voice activation part oh yeah can't forget you say beetlejuice three times and it turns on yeah so much fun yeah crazy they are saying that if you get to showtime multiball which is where he pops up oh yeah out of the ground right in the end of the game into the show um that to start that multiball you need to say beetlejuice three times oh you have to you you you like activate it or you you qualify yeah and then to start it you say interesting i wonder if there's a time limit do you have to like spit it out really fast probably Probably probably. Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice! But for the Muffle Juice! For the Muffle Juice! Need the Muffle Juice Need the Muffle Juice Need the Muffle Juice Um there gotta be a way that you can do it without saying Beetlejuice because there no way in a loud arcade that you can do that Oh yeah it not gonna be able to pick up everything But, you know, we'll see. I'm guessing someplace will have it for us to play. I'm hoping. Because how many did they make initially? 999. 9- oh, 999! And they're all gone, right? All of them are gone. I don't think you can get one at all. I mean, the arcade that we typically go to, they're usually pretty- they get some good stuff. They have a Harry Potter and had it pretty early on, I feel like. Yeah, but they don't have a spooky machine at all. Wow, maybe they don't know Instagram.
    14:44
    Flipper Room would be one in California that I go to. Oh, great. It doesn't do you any good. It doesn't do me any good. It's fine. Mike. I have to live through you. Let us know if you got a Flipper Juice at the Flipper Room. If you guys haven't been to the Flipper Room, they're great. Yeah.
    14:58
    Okay, so that's Beetle Juice. That's Beetle Juice. Hype level for that one. I'm excited. Yeah. I think out of the three, that would be my top. Yeah. Okay. Yep. We'll rank them all at the end. Deal. Love that. Let's go with the Winchester Mystery House. What do you know about the Winchester Mystery House? I had heard of it. I lived in the Bay Area for four years. And you go out there frequently. And I still go out there every three weeks. And I had never been there. And you had never heard of it. I had not heard of it. I had heard of it, but you had not. Yeah, I had not really heard of it. So reading up on it, and I kind of went down a deep hole. Yeah, you did. You learned more than I knew. So, tragic story, spooky, scary house. Apparently, and this isn't what I think is cool, the original Haunted Mansion at Disneyland... Is modeled after that? Is modeled, and some of the stuff in there is based after the Winchester Mystery House. I did not know this. And the Haunted Mansion is one of the top requested pinball machines. I didn't know that the Haunted Mansion was a pinball machine. It's not. Oh, it's requested. People want it. That makes sense. Got it. Yes. so uh yeah super cool so tell me your your initial thoughts on a the fact that they were using that as the theme and b the game uh very interesting that they were using that as a theme because the one time i had heard it is my friends and i were out in the bay area um out there for a wedding we were looking for random touristy things to do and that was one in the runnings to potentially go do.
    16:30
    Very interesting. When I first saw the machine out of, you know, online through the initial... All those trailers that we watched. It reminds me very much of Clue. The different rooms has kind of a Clue feel to it. And that makes me excited. I grew up playing Clue. Yeah. Well, and Carl D'Angelo, the designer, said he wanted to make this feel like a board game. Yeah, well, and that's what it feels like. Yeah, exactly. What were your initial thoughts?
    16:56
    That turntable. oh at the top it's really so cool it's really cool um the peppers ghost effect yeah that they do for like the spooky series that's super cool the just the look of it in general the shot layout looks really fun i really like how there's a mode where it goes i think it's when you're in the basement and the stained glass is lit up but the rest is still dark i thought that was really cool really good you have to like hold the action button to like shine the light to get rid of spirit so you can keep playing it's nuts very cool little things like very cool little things um
    17:31
    and just the sound on it people are talking a lot about it um dirty pool pinball i think is his name uh did all the sound he did a great job doing interviews with the cast the cast the creators of the game um and people are really jazzed about what he did with sound yeah yeah that's cool super cool uh i this to me is i they're only making 525 of them they sold out in 40 less than 48 hours which is so crazy because i didn't think that would be a huge theme yeah but maybe more people know about it than well i think i think people were just excited to see something that feels like an original theme that is a haunted house carl del angelo is one of the best players in the world people are excited for what he's going to do and let's be honest it looked really cool It looks really cool. I like the part of the building that falls over. The tower. That's a better word. I like that you can select a room if you want to. You can jump to a certain room and play through that. That's cool because a person like me, you know, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to have the skill enough to on my own get through every room. Get all through it, yeah. But I can go out and explore individual rooms on my own if I want to. And I think that's cool. No, I think that's super cool. Yeah. um so yeah i think this is so we'll get to rankings this is the one i'm most excited really oh yeah for like you would think beetlejuice yeah that was my guess for you but i the subtlety of this i think this one's more exciting yeah i like the ramps i like the staircase room i think that's super cool yeah the one that the ramp that kind of like it's off to the right it doesn't really go anywhere yeah like and that's like the doors on the winchester mystery house that was another big thing that they mentioned is that there are doors that don't go anywhere and i think that that ramp just kind of doesn't go anywhere just like that's a cool factor yeah um i think it's i think it's cool i think it's a fun idea yeah it's very original oh yeah me too and i love that about it so if i had to rank these three machines what i'm most excited for it goes winchester and then right behind it is beetlejuice yeah i never saw walking dead i love zombies so it's yeah it's down the original game is really hard so i'm yeah and i mean i i would do beetlejuice winchester walking dead and it makes me sad because if this machine was about the show and the story and the characters i think it might be a really fun theme but yep just zombies they're gross they look scary on the machine well i mean they look scary in the show number three um okay so that's our thoughts on those three machines yeah are we ready to move on to our spooky dream thing this is our spooky scary not necessarily for spooky to do but just spooky scary creepy yeah do you want to go first i'm gonna go first um i'll go first but at first off i'm gonna say that we weren't going to tell each other our themes but i was worried that cameron was going to take my theme and my original theme was too close to his regular theme so i I abandoned mine and went to a different one, but my original theme was, are you afraid of the dark? Classic old school Nickelodeon, the swing in the beginning. And they throw the little like dust into the fire. The midnight society. Like there are so many different stories you could go into, but. So now I have to go with mine. Okay, now go ahead. Cause what I chose is similar kids horror. I wanted goosebumps. Goosebumps, same type of thing. Same type of similar thing. So are you afraid of dark goosebumps? Kind of similar vibe to them. Little kid horror. Different episodes or different scary stories. For me, a goosebumps would be perfect. They've gone meta before with a lot of goosebumps and stuff. I would want you to be in like a spooky scary library And the books are like coming alive And you have like the classic book covers which had the best covers they did i remember those iconic the haunted mass yeah and the dummy one and like yes hands coming out of the basement i never read these because again i'm a baby but i remember like looking at the cover i love these books well now just take it away you go first so yeah i love these books i love these books so what i would want to have is like you said you're in a library and the books are coming alive and so you have like different characters and stuff from the books all square across the play field different ramps and things then each mode is a book coming to life and then spooky scaring you yes and so on the spooky scaring you yes and you have to get through it um and so the different like modes you play would be lit inserts but would have the picture of each book as you're going through it oh interesting and you can like pick and choose so you have like the haunted mask yeah the monster one and the photograph say cheese and die and you have all of those books like the little covers and then as you completed one it would get there there there until you get like to a final wizard mode and maybe you fight like ariel stein himself oh my gosh or something like that i don't know this is what i would love to see yeah and i would love to see like in you know reimaginings of all those classic covers in like those characters like in a library kind of as the artwork and stuff iconic i think that would be such okay well with your whole book theme i think that might have been better than my imagined are you afraid of the dark so i'm glad i let you take it away thank you because we don't discuss these themes this is no no this is all new yeah so i mean i did we were worried because i knew that She would like that, and so I was worried that we would have two things that were way too similar. Yeah.
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    She knew what I was going to do. I have no idea what you swiveled to, though. Do you know? I have no idea. You have no idea. I have no... You should know. I was thinking what you could pick, and there was one that you could pick that would be terrible. What? A quiet place. You can't have a quiet pinball machine. No, you can't. That would be awful. No. Sorry. Can't do a quiet place pinball machine. Oh, I'm going to give you a hint. You hate it.
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    I hate it? Yes. it's a Halloween movie that everyone loves except for you that I will show our children and they will love it I knew he was going to hate this Hocus Pocus is a terrible thing Hocus Pocus is such a bad movie it's classic I know I'm like way in the minority on this here's the thing I will ban Hocus Pocus from our house if I can ban Nightmare Before Christmas no that's amazing they talk about chopping up Santa Claus and the Hocus Pocus women are obsessed with a kid that's trying to lose his virginity. I get that. One is banned, the other is banned. Both are absurd and weird, but still classics for some reason. One of which I love, one of which you love. We have a Jack Skellington mask on our wall. We do, it's great. Our children will never know what it means or what it is. It'll just be a scary mask.
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    We'll talk about this later. Alright, give me your idea for a... Hocus Pocus. Stop it. There are so many fun... Stop it, that is the ugliest face... Ugliest face I've ever seen. Hocus Pocus. So many fun little things we could add. Like the glowing book with the eye. Yep, in the middle. Cauldrons. The cage with the two thugs.
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    It's been a long time since I've seen this movie. Okay, he's never seen it. I've seen it. No, no, I've seen it. I've had to suffer through this film way too many times. The two thuggy, scary guys, the bullies. They get kidnapped. Yeah, that's right. And they get taken to the house and they're put in cages. And that would be fun to have in there. Of course, Billy, the zombie dude. The zombie dude. What I really want is there's a part where he's coming out of the sewer, like out of the road. It's got one of those big, like, you know, playthings. Yes. And he is coming out, and then a car is coming. And so then he goes back down in, but his fingers are sticking out, and the car drives over them. And his fingers get dropped out. And so, like, I would want to, like, to see Billy coming out of the manhole. I think that would be really fun.
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    Binks, of course, the cat. Is that the black cat? The cat. And then... Generic black cat. Dream things. And then, like, the vacuum that Mary, the witch rides. Like, so many fun things that you can sprinkle. Which one's Mary? She's the bigger one. The one that's in Sister Act? Yes. Yes, that one. That's a great movie. It is a great movie that you've never seen until recently. I have not yet. Stop that.
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    Different modes, because they have a few iconic songs that I would want them to play. Yeah. The come little children, I'll take you away. That song. And then the I'll put a spell on you song. Oh, yeah. Yes. So love those. Those could be capture the kids. Could be a mode. A mode. And then I put a spell on you. There you go. Different call outs you could have. The boo. That. They sing the song about the dead man's toe. The dead man's toe. So you could have that in there. Billy zombie sounds. You know, Billy is going to be like. Because like his mouth is so sharp. Yeah. he can only make zombie sounds um but just so many fun things you could do with hocus pocus and i feel like it is such a classic halloween theme that has stood the test of time i don't know how i think unless you've seen this movie as a kid you don't know i think that and i think that's probably the case with nightmare for christmas except for laken my sister saw it as a child and she cried and we'll never watch anything like that ever again so i mean here's thing you're not wrong in that hocus pocus is dearly beloved yes it is and we would probably sell it i can just see the side art right now or with bett middler those big those big terrible she's a witch so many fun things you could put in there that's fair yeah it's from a sales standpoint it is a good idea i'd never want it that's fair i don't like those and again in my dream market you guys can all torch me in the comments for hating hocus pocus it's fine i'm not gonna change my opinion it's not a good thing it's fine there are better disney like like halloween monster squad monster squad i think it's called talking about monsters inc no there was another one that was like live action kids fighting monsters i have no idea i don't remember it very well it was a disney like it was a d-com i think it was yeah so um that's it for us that's it for us that's the three themes that have come out recently oh predator came out as well predator came out as well we didn't talk about that came out a while ago a while ago but it's another spooky theme we're not going to talk about it but i mean just you know people said they liked it at expo there we go just another spooky thing that people like yeah scary thing so um but yeah that's it for us that's it for us let us know what you want to talk about next and uh until next Keep flipping.
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    You start the song, Ben. Okay. Hello. Really? Yeah.