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Final Round discusses Twippies eligibility inconsistencies, Godzilla's player feedback mastery, and Bond LE overpricing.
Fathom (Haggis) should be eligible for multiple Twippies categories due to significant changes (new LCD screens, new rule set, new call-outs) but was excluded from main categories as a 'remake'
high confidence · Marty presents evidence: Fathom has completely new rule set, two new LCD screens on apron, different GI, different call-outs. Jeff confirms 'Remakes are eligible for categories in which significant changes have been made' per official rules, then calls the inconsistent application 'bullshit.'
Cactus Canyon Remake by Chicago Gaming is nominated for Best Animations and Display but not Best Sound or Best Rules, creating inconsistent application of remake eligibility rules
high confidence · Marty walks through Twippies category lists showing Cactus Canyon in animations/display but absent from sound and rules categories, highlighting the contradiction.
Godzilla is designed as the most accessible game Stern has ever made, with constant player reward feedback regardless of performance
high confidence · Marty after extended play: 'It is designed to be the most accessible game that Stern's ever made... You are constantly drip-fed reward... it is a masterclass in player feedback.'
Keith Irwin designed Godzilla's rules; Rick Nagel did the code
high confidence · Jeff provides direct attribution: 'keith made the rules rick nagel did the code'
Godzilla's gameplay can extend to hour-long sessions for skilled players
medium confidence · Marty reports streaming one game that went over an hour and reached $3.3 billion score, suggesting either high difficulty or extensive content.
Final Round has received more direct messages in a week since Marty criticized Godzilla than any other prior period
medium confidence · Marty: 'I have had the most amount of direct messages ever in a week since I dissed Godzilla... I've had so many messages from people saying I'm an idiot'
James Bond 007 LE is priced at $19,999 before tax
high confidence · Jeff: 'Can I borrow $20,000?' Keith responds: 'it was only $19,999. Thank you, Keith. Plus tax.'
“It is a masterclass in player feedback... I don't think Stern has ever had a game where they have choreographed the fuck out of a game where the timing of everything is so precise that you are just getting a high constantly, little micro moments through the game.”
Marty (Final Round co-host) @ ~38:00 — Articulates Godzilla's core design philosophy and why it resonates with players; frames accessibility as intentional design mastery rather than simplification.
“Remakes are eligible for categories in which significant changes have been made. Do you think there's been significant changes made? Yes. 100%... Displays on the apron, a whole new set of code. You've got the different GI, callouts, everything sounds. It's night and day different game.”
Jeff and Marty (discussing Fathom eligibility) @ ~10:00 — Documents the core complaint: rules explicitly allow remakes with significant changes, but Fathom was excluded despite meeting that criterion.
“It's bullshit. There's no other way to put it. It's bullshit. You can't say it's allowed for this machine, which are remakes and new rules, but not this one, which has different sounds, different call-outs.”
Jeff (Final Round co-host) @ ~12:00 — Direct condemnation of Twippies eligibility inconsistency; frames the issue as a systemic fairness problem.
“What means things? Our game sales and enjoyment and things like that... The emails the back and forth the fun we have with you... I'm about to go to indisc and I'm about to see hundreds and hundreds of people and i guarantee several will come up to me and talk about love what you're doing on final round... that's the stuff that means stuff to me”
Marty (Final Round co-host) @ ~22:00 — Explicit statement of Final Round's indifference toward Twippies awards; values direct audience feedback and player engagement over industry recognition.
“What a waste of Keith Irwin's talent. Jack Danger's home pin looks better than this. Heck, I'd buy Primus.”
Jeff (Final Round co-host) @ ~55:00 — Harsh critique of James Bond 007 LE design despite $20k price point; suggests design execution doesn't justify premium positioning.
“I would never own it. I don't think there's enough light and shade for me. I think it's just on all the time... they've nailed the feedback so whoever did the code on that game... the way that you are feeding back to the player moments and the feeling of success you've absolutely nailed it”
community_signal: Twippies eligibility rules are being applied inconsistently across remakes (Cactus Canyon included in some categories, Fathom excluded from main categories despite meeting significant-changes criterion). Hosts question fairness and systemic integrity.
high · Jeff: 'It's bullshit. There's no other way to put it. It's bullshit.' Detailed comparison of which games appear in which categories despite sharing remake status.
sentiment_shift: Marty's initial skepticism of Godzilla has shifted to appreciation for its design intent and execution, though he maintains personal preference against owning it due to lack of gameplay variety.
high · Marty: 'I now appreciate godzilla a lot more than i did before... they've absolutely nailed it' while simultaneously stating 'I would never own it.'
design_philosophy: Godzilla represents a calculated design philosophy prioritizing broad accessibility and constant positive feedback over depth, executed through precise choreography and rule simplicity.
high · Marty: 'It is designed to be the most accessible game that Stern's ever made... I think stern have probably gone into this saying we need to make a game that as many people as possible will enjoy dial down the difficulty.'
product_concern: James Bond 007 LE priced at $20k lacks design execution and originality that justifies premium tier positioning; Jeff suggests homebrew alternatives offer better design value.
medium · Jeff: 'What a waste of Keith Irwin's talent. Jack Danger's home pin looks better than this. Heck, I'd buy Primus.'
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Final Round was not nominated for Twippies last year but is nominated this year
high confidence · Jeff: 'My question is, if we're in and we weren't in last year, who got knocked out this year?'
Marty (discussing Godzilla) @ ~40:00 — Balances criticism (lack of variety in feedback intensity) with respect for code execution; acknowledges design philosophy even while personally rejecting it.
“The biggest skill for an artist, to me, is not the actual art itself. It's the placement and using that play field as a canvas and utilizing the space to a T.”
Jeff (Final Round co-host) @ ~45:00 — Articulates design philosophy for evaluating pinball art quality; prioritizes integration with mechanical playfield over standalone artwork.
gameplay_signal: Godzilla's extended play sessions and high scoring potential for skilled players suggest depth beneath the accessible surface, but accessibility prevents traditional 'one more game' satisfaction.
medium · Marty's hour-long game reached $3.3B but he stopped because 'I saw way too much... I would never get that [one more game feel] after an hour long game though on any machine.'
design_innovation: Godzilla features exceptional GI lighting choreography (particularly end-of-ball roar sequence) and audio design that enhances player perception of game depth beyond actual code complexity.
high · Jeff: 'when your end of ball and you hear the footsteps and the way the lights go and stuff and then when he roars the way it kind of shakes it's really well done... I never give a shit about that stuff... but that really that pops for me.'
content_signal: Marty's Godzilla criticism generated unprecedented direct message volume from audience, indicating high community investment in game opinions and designer credibility.
high · Marty: 'I have had the most amount of direct messages ever in a week since I dissed Godzilla... so many messages from people saying I'm an idiot'
community_signal: Final Round hosts express explicit indifference toward Twippies awards, valuing direct audience feedback and sales metrics over industry recognition, yet continue to participate.
high · Marty: 'What means things? Our game sales and enjoyment... The emails the back and forth... that's the stuff that means stuff to me.' Jeff: 'You know what means things? Our game sales and enjoyment.'
competitive_signal: Notable underdog tournament performances (Bill Mason, Sierra Leifert, Walt Wood) driving competitive excitement and accessibility narrative.
medium · Jeff discusses three recent examples of unknown/new players making significant tournament runs: Bill Mason at Cleapin, Sierra Leifert at pre-IFPA 17 event, Walt Wood at Doctor Who tournament.
design_philosophy: Pinball art quality evaluated on canvas utilization and insert integration with mechanical elements rather than standalone artwork beauty; games like Godzilla, Rush, and Elvira exemplify this approach.
medium · Jeff: 'The biggest skill for an artist... is not the actual art itself. It's the placement and using that play field as a canvas... Godzilla definitely nails it. Rush nails it... Elvira is probably the best for me.'
market_signal: Multiple premium-priced games (Bond LE $20k, various LE releases) creating questions about value justification and design differentiation at highest price points.
medium · Jeff's criticism of Bond LE at $19,999 as wasteful suggests market saturation in premium segment without corresponding design innovation.