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50th Episode Special

JBS Show·podcast_episode·56m 29s·analyzed·Jan 3, 2025
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TL;DR

Jamie Burchill reflects on Wormhole Pinball's 50-episode milestone and shares origin stories.

Summary

Jamie Burchill from Wormhole Pinball celebrates the podcast's 50th episode by reversing roles—being interviewed by Erin Winnick-Anthony instead of hosting. Jamie discusses the podcast's growth from initial obscurity to tripled listenership, his pinball origin story (introduced by friend Tim Hood), the evolution of Wormhole's Twitch streaming infrastructure, and future ambitions including a television show about arcades across America. He also reflects on his earlier podcast experience with Lost Boys (a Celtic FC podcast from 2007) and his background as a sports enthusiast and announcer.

Key Claims

  • Wormhole Pinball podcast listenership has tripled since inception

    high confidence · Jamie states 'It's like tripled' when asked about listener growth

  • Jamie was introduced to competitive pinball in 2018-2019 through Tim Hood, who invited him to league night at 1820 Bar in Houston

    high confidence · Jamie describes detailed origin story: 'he really started busting my butt in about 2018, 2019...he invited me to League Night, and League Night was at 1820 Bar'

  • Lost Boys podcast (Celtic FC) reached 10,000 downloads per episode in 2007

    high confidence · Jamie states: 'we were getting 10,000 downloads a podcast this is 2007'

  • Wormhole Pinball is transitioning to 501c3 nonprofit status focused on helping neurodivergent individuals

    high confidence · Jamie explains: 'we are in the, we're almost done with the 501c3. So we will be a Wormhole Pinball Foundation...helping those that are neurodivergent'

  • Wormhole streaming rig uses AXSOON wireless camera systems with antennas

    high confidence · Jamie describes: 'we use axsoon and those are the black things on top that have the the antennas they're the best unfortunately they're wicked expensive'

  • Jamie plans to upgrade Wormhole's streaming infrastructure to use internal Wi-Fi instead of external XSUN systems for future locations

    high confidence · Jamie states: 'This rig is going to be completely changing...What I'll use the XSUNs for is for Space City Open and TPF. What I'm going to use here internally is just internal Wi-Fi'

  • Jamie was the announcer for Pearland Railcats varsity lacrosse team for five years

    high confidence · Jamie says: 'I was the voice of uh Pearland Railcats for five years'

  • Jamie's dream guest is Jason Zodakis, inspired by his acting and pinball playing

    high confidence · Jamie states: 'I just really think I would have a really fun conversation with Jason Zodakis. I really, really do. I think I would have, I loved his show...before he did Ted Lasso'

Notable Quotes

  • “I never thought we could hit 50. I didn't know that people would still be listening, so it's really nice.”

    Jamie Burchill @ early in episode — Reflects on surprise at podcast sustainability and audience retention

  • “I think I'm an entrepreneur...I enjoy the building aspect of the wormhole itself”

    Jamie Burchill @ middle section — Explains motivation for starting and expanding Wormhole projects; entrepreneurial mindset influenced by owning staffing firm

  • “I want to do a television show. I think I would be very good at a television show. I think it would be a lot of fun.”

    Jamie Burchill @ late middle section — States Jamie's major future ambition for Arcades Across America as television content

  • “That was my competitive outlet...And then this has ruined my golf game completely...All pinball fault”

    Jamie Burchill @ mid-episode — Humorous reflection on pinball replacing golf as primary competitive hobby

  • “I take a lot of pride to make sure it's a good television show, you know? That's what I'm trying to produce is a TV show on the stream.”

    Jamie Burchill @ streaming section — Articulates production philosophy for Wormhole's Twitch presence

  • “I like that I can hide behind the Wormhole logo, right, and it's Jamie from the Wormhole, and that it's a collective. It's all of us, and that I'm just the one that's, you know, public-facing.”

    Jamie Burchill @ late in episode — Explains preference for brand identity over personal celebrity in pinball community

  • “I think the growth of the brand...The fact that people come and wear Wormhole shirts and I don't know who they are...that's my favorite thing.”

    Jamie Burchill @ closing section — Identifies brand growth and community expansion as primary source of pride

Entities

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Signals

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    business_signal: Wormhole Pinball transitioning to 501c3 nonprofit foundation status with focus on neurodivergent support

    high · Jamie states: 'we are in the, we're almost done with the 501c3. So we will be a Wormhole Pinball Foundation...helping those that are neurodivergent'

  • ?

    community_signal: Wormhole brand gaining visibility at pinball expos (Chicago, Houston, TPM) with community members wearing branded merchandise and recognizing Jamie

    high · Jamie notes: 'When people come up and say hello...they listen to the podcast and they listen to the stream, watch the stream. I'm really blown away'

  • ?

    event_signal: Wormhole Pinball celebrates 50th podcast episode with special reversed-host format episode

    high · Episode title '50th Episode Special' with guest co-host Erin Winnick-Anthony interviewing Jamie instead of typical format

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Jamie expresses preference for Wormhole collective branding over personal celebrity status within pinball community

    high · Jamie: 'I like that I can hide behind the Wormhole logo, right, and it's Jamie from the Wormhole, and that it's a collective. It's all of us'

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    market_signal: Arcades Across America content series positioning as potential television project alongside existing podcast/stream format

    high · Jamie states intention to trademark 'Arcades Across America' and develop it into television format with distinctive creative approach different from existing arcade shows

Transcript

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0:00
Hello, my name is Jamie Burchill, and you are listening to and or watching our podcast called Wormhole Pinball Presents.
0:10
Today, I'm very, very excited to be joined by two great individuals. Today, I'm really excited to be joined by a very special guest. And today, I'm very excited to be joined by two awesome guests all the way from Arizona. My name is Erin Winnick-Anthony, and you are listening to Wormhole Pinball Presents, a podcast we started to highlight those in pinball and arcades. And I'm not typically the voice you're probably used to listening to. No, I am not, Jamie Birchall. But today, because we are at the 50th episode of this podcast, we're doing something a little special. And that something special is that today's guest is none other than your favorite host, Jamie Birchall. Welcome to your own podcast, Jamie. Oh, my God. Thank you so much for having me. Of course. You know, such a pleasure. You've definitely not done this 50 times before now, but thanks for giving me the honor of hosting this. I feel so special to roll up the red carpet for you for this big milestone. Oh, I am so appreciative. Thank you so much for doing this. We thought, look, what are we going to do for the 50th? We threw a bunch of ideas around, and I thought this was a pretty good one. So let's reverse the roles. Exactly. Yeah, for this one, you didn't have to write any questions. Donovan and I prepped some hurry-ups for you at the end. Oh, gosh. And, well, to start out, how does it feel to be at 50 podcast episodes?
1:32
Yeah, it feels really good. I think when people start podcasts, they have this idea, and it kind of forms to something else. But I never thought we could hit 50. I didn't know that people would still be listening, so it's really nice. That's good. I'm assuming you have more people listening now than when you started. Oh my God, yeah. It's like tripled. Wow, that's awesome. And how has the podcast changed from episode one and kind of like what you originally envisioned this to be when you started? I wanted to do an interview series. I don't think I can hold the mic myself and just talk like a Kaneda can or a retro Ralph or Don. Sure. don't have that not really in my wheelhouse so i'm much just being a recruiter i love to interview people so i i'm real excited about some of the stories that we've told so far in the 50s i also didn't think arcades across america would ever happen i thought that was just something that was germanting in the back of my head and i kept talking to people about it and i'm like what do you think about this idea and it was really like Rachel Kail, Modo and Jacoby they kind of really helped me go this is a really good idea keep pushing that so one a month will be an interview and then one a month moving forward we'll try to be in arcades across America so amazing and how do you think now you're thought of more as a podcaster or as a streamer because like I I still think of Jamie like the twitch streamer but I feel like a lot of people listen to the podcast now so it's Interesting. Where are we going to wind up in the Twippy category? I don't know. Right? I don't know if we'll be considered a streamer or a podcaster. It's really up to the Twippy committee. And I guess that's maybe we're a Twitch stream that also podcasts or maybe we're a podcaster that also Twitch streams. I don't know. So you let the Twippies decide it for you, which one you are now. Yeah, that sounds fine to me. That sounds fine. Let Colin and his group decide what they want to call us. That's good. Well, do you have any dream guests that you still want to have on? I know we've talked about a few that I don't think have made it on yet. Like what's, do you have any new dream ones or what's your one that's still up there?
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personnel_signal: Wormhole Pinball operating as collective with defined roles: Jamie (social media/public-facing), Tim Hood (finances), John Spates (operations), Christine Hood (foundation president), Janine (operations/rentals)

high · Jamie describes organizational structure: 'Tim is in charge of finances. Don Spates is in charge of operations. Christine is the president of the foundation. Janine is responsible for a lot of operations'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Wormhole Pinball planning streaming infrastructure upgrade from wireless XSUN systems to internal Wi-Fi for future venue locations

    high · Jamie: 'This rig is going to be completely changing...What I'll use the XSUNs for is for Space City Open and TPF. What I'm going to use here internally is just internal Wi-Fi'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Wormhole Pinball upgraded from camcorders to Sony ZV-1 cameras for streaming quality improvement; planning secondary rig to eliminate downtime

    high · Jamie describes evolution: 'We started out with camcorders...but the video stunk. So I had to upgrade to the ZV-1s...once you upgrade one camera to the ZV-1s, you lose your mind because now you have to upgrade all cameras'

    • 3:47
    Yeah. I just really think I would have a really fun conversation with Jason Zodakis. I really, really do. I think I would have, I loved his show. I love that skit that he did for sound. It was even before he did Ted Lasso. That was a commercial for NBC and that was just a joke skit. And I love that. So I'd love to just talk to him really about, you know, being a pinball player and loving this stupid hobby. So that would be my goal. We'll get him. We'll keep mentioning it because eventually someone's going to hear it who has the connection is going to make it happen for you. Yeah. I love it. I actually were about six degrees of separation from someone. Yes. So I used to be six. I think I'm about three now. Hey, that's progress. The more you podcast, eventually you'll get there, right? Sorry, this is flying. You're fine. Like episode 100, episode 200, like you got to think of another milestone coming up. Oh, I'm not going to put a time limit on it. It's going to happen. I'll make that happen, right? It's the same thing like everyone laughed when I said I'm going to get Alter Bridge here and I'm going to get, you know, Mark Tremonti to the wormhole. Everyone's like, you're crazy. I'm like, all right, you'll see. I'll get it. I did it. So what makes you want to start on a new project like that or like this? Like I get random texts from Jamie at random times with ideas for new videos and podcasts and events. Like what what is your spark behind like taking on those new big things?
    5:20
    Oh, I think I'm an entrepreneur. I am an entrepreneur. My wife and I own a staffing firm and I started that firm five weeks before 9-11. So I'm kind of used to adversity and used to starting companies. So I enjoy the building aspect of the wormhole itself, right? If you look at our story, there was just six to eight of us sitting in this place during COVID. And then the idea comes, okay, do you want to Twitch stream? And then the idea was like, yeah, but I wanted the podcast first, to be true. Wow. I wanted to do the podcast and it was John and everyone else because we were watching Jack Danger, right? Yep. And so we were like, can we do this with these really cool machines? That was our initial promise. But even that stream grew. That changed, if you will.
    6:15
    Because that used to be, if you go back on YouTube, you can watch all these old streams. But that used to be me standing next to the rig. Yeah. You got to do an old style stream like that at some point coming up, I feel like. it changed a lot when we made that move because it was or us playing dollar games fooling around that's fair being more professional and then we kind of moved it back behind this spot and it is a little more professional but we took away a little bit of the fun john yeah john space was right about that so it we just i didn't know what what it was going to become and and now we're streaming major tournaments like space city open and tpf like who the hell would have saw that coming right right totally and so do you have another dream pinball project like what can i expect another jamie text from about coming up or well you know what my one idea is and i don't really want to say that sure anything more shooting for the stars even above that you know the one you want to put your flag in the ground and just put out there and then see if anyone could make happen. Yeah, I'll say it. Up to you, man. I'll say it. I want to do a television show. I think I would be very good at a television show. I think it would be a lot of fun.
    7:34
    Me and you visiting Arcades Across America truly for a YouTube series or for something that I really want to do. We're trademarking Arcades Across America.
    7:47
    I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, that's that would just be an amazing thing if we were able to do something like that. That'd be so cool, because, I mean, there's so many times in the podcast to you tell people I'd love to come visit you at your place and play these games. And that could actually make it happen, too, because it's hard to go to Germany and Arizona and Oregon and everywhere and make it all happen. But you need that little spark to to make it happen. yeah well your husband told me to get writing and so i have started writing okay reps and those things and watching uh the type of shows that i really love how i think this would look and and artistically what it should be not just you know not just diners drive-ins and and whatever that show is in arcades but yes yeah you know what i mean so we have a different slant that we want of push and i think that that's a good little i don't know we'll see yeah well the podcast i think it's been a great way to pioneer that and test it out and get all the connections with such a cool community because i think you've built out your like network of arcade owners so much since starting all of this too and some are reaching out to us which is so crazy right and it's so exciting that they're reaching out to us because i want to tell their story too but i'm only doing one a month so i'm a little booked up so we'll make it happen though it's great that's why the round table format works really well too. You get more than just one person on for, for those as well. Those can be challenging too, because you get one personality that's a little more dominant than the other personalities. And I, and I, here I am trying to, you know, be the mediator. So it's fun though. We're learning, we're learning just like the first podcast was 20 minutes with Bill Grimaldi. That was it. It was just 20 minutes. I was so darn nervous. I didn't know what I was doing. Yeah. What I find is when people are sitting next to me though, Aaron, much more nervous. Hmm. Interesting. Typically don't worry too much about this. So you do so many zoom interviews for your job too, right? Like that's what you're used to. So easy. It's just no, it's no worries for me. Yeah. But when they're sitting next to me, I get a little nervous. Okay. But I'll work on something to work on for the CV for the, television show if we ever get there. Exactly. All right. And now you always ask guests this, so I think it's only appropriate for me to ask you. You always talk about origin story. And so I think you've talked a lot about the wormhole specifically as origin story, but I want to hear more about your pinball origin story. Where did that kind of spark for you? Well, it's Tim Hood and Christine. I know people love origin stories, so I'll try to do it very, very quickly. This is to Ian Jacoby who doesn't love orange.
    10:39
    Yeah, so I coached Tim's kids in soccer, and that's how we met. And Janine and Christine have been friends since the kids were little, and our boys are very similar ages. So I was Coach Jamie. I've always coached Jamie. And they lived near us in a small town, and Tim got into pinball in college, but he kind of got into pinball again. His wife bought him a Whitewater and a Fishtails for his birthday. and he like started inviting me over to come play these things and i just didn't get it yeah i just didn't get it you know and little by little he keeps wearing me down like come over keep playing and then he moved to houston and i didn't see him as much but his collection increased he had a bigger spot he bought more machines and he really started busting my butt in about 2018, 2019. Okay. So I started going over there. I started playing, and it was the – he invited me to League Night, and League Night was at 1820 Bar next to Joysticks in Houston, and any of the originals would know League at 1820 is a lot of fun. But the problem is the guy that owns that bar also owns all the parking lots around, and those parking lots make him a lot of money during Astro Games. So he's not going to allow a bunch of pinballers. Got priorities, yeah. So that league is hard to organize, truthfully. But I just went one day, and I met Chris Powis, Tandy, you know, people that you know that are the nicest people on the planet. And then they made me come to a Saturday at Game Preserve up north because that was it. You had Game Preserve up north in 2019 and Einstein's in Katy and League. and that is all you have. If you want to go see, look at Space City Calendar right now, go to SpaceCityFanball.com and look at our calendar now. It's insane. But not 2019. And so I went up there just to hang and check out the game preserve and John Spates paid my way.
    12:46
    Okay. Made me play in the tournament and then Mark Gammons gave me an IPA number and that's it. I got hooked. That's all the same guys that pull me in too, you know? So I love it. They're experts at it, Right. It's the community, really. But I also think for those that don't play competitive pinball, they're make if you have any competitiveness in you at all, competitive pinball will scratch that itch. Yeah, because it's unbelievable. And then the community is so unbelievable because they start helping you because they're tired of watching you not change your in lanes. And yeah, pops. You don't know what a skill shot is. You don't have an idea. So after that game, people like Gina Lowe will sit you down and go, hey, let me just show you a couple of things. And that's what happened to me. She showed me a bunch on No Good Golfers.
    13:36
    And I went, oh, all right. It's not just keeping the ball alive. Yeah. And so that's kind of my origin story. And then, of course, the wormhole happened during COVID. And I got even just more addicted to it, just got addicted to playing. I used to be a really good golfer. Yeah. That was your competitive outlet then? That was my competitive outlet. It was golf my whole life.
    14:02
    And then this has ruined my golf game completely Shot it to hell It gone All pinball fault Yeah the sticks are in storage That how sad it is Wow. Well, you're going to have to do something where you host a golf tournament for the pinball community, show off your skills, and be like, you're going to have to get people over there. I'd like to say that I could pick up the sticks and still break nine. Couldn't do it. I think I could. You could? Okay. Because I used to be really good. Like I was a five handicapper when I some seven when I retired.
    14:37
    But. Cool. Well, you know, it's funny. You mentioned kind of like soccer was your pinball origin story, but it's also your first pinball machines, World Cup soccer and your podcast origin story, too, right? Like your first your first podcast, you host it with soccer, right? I did. It was called Lost Boys and B-H-O-Y-S. It's called a boy. A boy is a Celtic supporter. OK. Okay. And Glasgow Celtic FC. And then a lost boy would be that is who's overseas. Right. So my friend was from Scotland and another friend was from Northern Ireland and they were huge Celtic sports star to this day. And they started a podcast and I would start to go watch these games at six in the morning at his house. And I got addicted to Celtic FC. I didn't have a soccer team growing up, you know. we had the cosmos in new york but that was i was really young anyway yeah i got hooked on this team and then he starts a podcast and he brings me in one time for like 10 minutes just to talk about celtic itself and i killed it like it was really good i did a good segment if you will i was playing up the dumb american of course aaron but uh and that podcast like took off like we were getting 10,000 downloads a podcast this is 2007 wow and you had to download it ladies and gentlemen this wasn't streaming you couldn't stream a podcast you literally downloaded it from apple onto your ipad or i'm ipod i think odd yeah yeah and we would get the download number so we didn't know if they listened but if they were taking up space we figured they were listening Probably, yeah. And then they moved. Unfortunately, my friend Chris moved back up north in 2010.
    16:29
    He moved to Northern Ireland again. And unfortunately, Zoom, like we're doing today, was not very good in 2010. The audio sucked. Everything stunk. So we just couldn't do Lost Boys anymore.
    16:43
    That's where that podcast went. And I was just a dumb American sidekick, really. But I know soccer so well that I can sound like I knew what I was talking about enough. Sure. Well, if you ever stream World Cup Soccer, you should get him on or something to commentate and reunite your old podcast or whatever. That would be so funny to call Chris McQuiggan. I don't know who this guy is, but I feel like this has to be your podcast origins. He's the best. He's the best dude. He's the best. And I still follow Celtic to this day. Amazing. I know you have a team for almost every sport, I feel like. so. I'm a sport fan. I love sports. So it's a little different than most of the pinball community. I talk sports with Donovan on Twitch and I know I'm losing viewers every time I do it. Oh, don't worry. We have some hurry up questions from Donovan about sports at the end. Oh, good. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. And you were in the Yankee hat, so it's very appropriate. Yeah. So that was my origin story of Lost Boys. And then that went away and I didn't have like an itch because I always wanted to do something in radio or something dramatic, but I just, it just never happened for me. Right. You know? And then I became my kid's sports announcer for lacrosse. My boys, my boy, I lost both of my boys to soccer for lacrosse. Okay. Once they figured they could hit someone that was it. Right. Yeah. So they needed an announcer for the varsity team and I was the voice of uh Pearland Railcats for five years amazing voice of the wormhole voice of the Railcats I was I was I was a really damn good announcer too which kind of then when we started doing the twitch when we thought about doing twitch I was like I can I call lacrosse games I could totally call a pinball game yeah so I say things that are goofy that I would say if I called the lacrosse game, like I'm lucky. Yes, sure. Right. Some of those vernaculars, some of those lines that I would use for lacrosse are now on the pitch for lacrosse are now being used at Wormhole Pinball. It's all full circle. I love it. And so we know you as the face of the wormhole and that's like, we hear your voice and see you on stream. What are some of the other different roles that other wormholers hold as far as keeping things going, promoting the brand, bartending, all of those things. Oh, yeah. So there's five of us. And we're, you know, I'm glad you brought this up because we are in the, we're almost done with the 501c3. So we will be a Wormhole Pinball Foundation. And we'll be a charity. And we'll be helping those that are neurodivergent and more of that to come. But Tim and Christine are on the board of directors with John Spates. And Tim is in charge of finances. Don Spates is in charge of operations. Christine is the president of the foundation. Janine is responsible for a lot of operations and rentals and a lot of different stuff. And I was given social media. So that's. Very cool. And I know that you all if you go to Wormhole, you'll see them wearing shirts with their like their jobs on the back. the unofficial roles of cruise director, bartender, those sort of actual titles for it, too. And Janine does some play pinball. Either does Christine. But they love the community, and they love to come here, and they love Reynolds. They love bartending, and they love the space and the people. Yeah. They usually come and hang out for the first hour or so of the tournament, and then after we've been here way too long, then they go run off and do their own thing. We need to have them come in later. Like be a fresh face when we're all sick of seeing each other. That's true. And you're, me and you are, well, more me rocking three strikes and trying to hang in there. I could use that upbeat when they come in later. That's what we should work on. That's it. Yeah. I like it. And so, okay. So speaking of you being the face of the wormhole, let's talk about the other big thing other than the podcast, which is the stream. So let's talk about early days of streaming. You know, you talked about how it looked a little bit different back then. but just how hard is it to get a Twitch stream off the ground?
    21:04
    It was not really hard. You just have to buy all the equipment, but you won't know what the hell you're doing. And it's OBS is its own nightmare, which is the broadcasting system that we use. It constantly crashed, constantly crashed. Yeah. Phil Grimaldi here. I'm going to tell you a quick story. Phil Grimaldi, who's the godfather of space city pinball, gave me a blueprint. Aaron literally wrote everything. down and showed me how to stream now did i listen to anything he said no you know why because i wanted to do it myself of course uh-huh and learn it for yourself you know what you got to learn it and that's the that's the key is that i was just but i wanted to learn and make mistakes and we used webcams in the beginning it was a wired setup didn't look good uh i went on the cheap And then finally I just bought from all these stuff because he was streaming before COVID. He was a Space City streamer, and he was streaming TPF and Space City Open. And I just said, look, I don't know if we want to do these tournaments yet, but I definitely want all your stuff. So I bought it, and then I just have upgraded.
    22:14
    I'm constantly tinkering to the point where Brandon, your friend Brandon, who's our IT support, he's geeking on it too. So, like, everything we've done from the first stream in 2019 to today has just gotten better. Yeah. That's great. And, you know, the rig is behind you right now. Yeah, one of the rigs. That's this rig, one or two. Yeah. And we just recently recorded a video when I was there about kind of, like, walking through it. But, you know, for someone who can't see that and might be listening, can you, like, describe the rig a little bit and how it's evolved over time? Well, again, Jack Danger gave us all the blueprint and how to do it.
    22:53
    And you go to 8020.net or something, and you can put in the dimensions of the metal, right? We wanted metal. Some people like wood. Some people like pipes. You can do whatever the hell you want. It doesn't matter. I just like this 8020. It was just stupid proof. we use axsoon and those are the black things on top that have the the antennas they're the best unfortunately they're wicked expensive and we were using other ones before and the interference anyone that watches my stream when something goes wrong and something always goes wrong i can't handle it i lose my mind so every upgrade we've made is to just fix that so that we don't have those errors. And now you have the room cam too that you can carry around and stuff as well. The room cam, which will be great for the Twippies. I'm going to be fooling around with that. This Saturday is our 4X. So coming up, today's a Monday, it's the 30th. So January 4th, I'll be fooling around with some more stuff for the Twippies. Oh, cool. Testing out some new things. We started out with camcorders too. was the second iteration with camcorders, but the video stunk. So I had to upgrade to the ZV-1s. And then once you upgrade one camera to the ZV-1s, you lose your mind because now you have to upgrade all cameras to ZV-1s. Of course. They all got to look that good. And then you need a second rig.
    24:24
    Yep. Because the first rig is great, but you don't want downtime. Like downtime drives me crazy. So I'm like, let's just go to another rig. Let's just do it. Yeah. I know. And now with new locations potentially coming for Wormhole in the near future, the rig numbers are just going to keep going up. Yeah, but I'll let you in on a little secret here. This rig is going to be completely changing. Okay. And we're going to take the XSUNs and use them for different locations. What I'll use the XSUNs for is for Space City Open and TPF. What I'm going to use here internally is just internal Wi-Fi. It's going to stream everything onto the network. Very cool. Yeah, it's going to be really cool. It's been fun to see it evolve. You need like a side-by-side of your old stream with your new stream once you get the new one set up for a video.
    25:19
    I take a lot of pride to make sure it's a good television show, you know? That's what I'm trying to produce is a TV show on the stream. Yeah. so with that in mind what are some of your favorite streaming memories stuff that you've your favorite moments so far those so i do write a script before each one and and i stress i i stress myself out before each interview oh sorry for the stream not the podcast but i'll take both of them yeah all right let's talk about the stream my favorites yeah yeah uh-huh then we'll do Podcast two. Okay. In 2020, we did, maybe it was 2019, we went to Freeplay Arlington. And it was a debacle. And their internet sucked. And I streamed the space, the Texas championship.
    26:11
    And if you go back online, and they stuck me in a corner. It was the worst streaming operation I've ever done. but the match between Colin McAlpine and Phil Grimaldi on Monster Bash is one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Right. Space City Open, Wesley Johnson on stream was one of my favorite things when he won the Space City Open. That's my favorite. Against Mark Meserve. That really was awesome. That was awesome. Wesley hometown. You know, we claim him as a wormholer. It was really, really fun. Those are my favorite streams on tournament wise. the monday streams we're just fooling around i i love all those machines when we just do those so we're gonna really get back to that in 2025 cool no i'm the monday streams are some of my favorite to watch too i think you know the tournaments show off some of the other great skill around town and like yeah just the the network of people in houston and some of the best players and the monday streams are just fun you know they're goofy they're a blast y'all just do whatever the heck you want and i feel like that's where you get the feel of what wormhole is through those mondays i do too i think you know donovan dressing up and donovan making a drink for the day any of these crazy things are have been really fun yeah well i didn't have this in hurry up questions last year favorite donovan costume from stream shut him out there what did he do for octoberfest he did something really goofy and one time he refused to be he was david bowie and he did a really good david bowie yes i'll say david bowie but then uh also tandy did a saint nick and we tried to do tandy to do saint nick this year but i couldn't get it as a schedule and he take it he takes it very seriously like he doesn't want to be called off-camera Tandy. He takes method acting very seriously Okay very good So that was fun Very cool All right And then I have a random question here for you which is you own World Cup soccer That's it. If you were going to buy one more, which would it be? Sopranos. Okay. Would you actually buy that, or is that like a, you know? No, no, no. I want a Sopranos. You want that one? Okay. Very good. That's the next one. because I'm going to donate World Cup Soccer to the foundation. Oh, cool. So I'll then maybe get myself a Sopranos. You'll have an opening. Yeah. I really love that show. I loved it so much. And I like that dumb game.
    28:53
    And a Congo would have been on my list, but we finally got a Congo. In the wormhole community, yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to buy something that Tim and Christine and John already have. That doesn't make sense. Gosh, that eliminates a lot of machines. It generates a couple hundred. Yeah.
    29:11
    250-something, so. Oof, wow. All right, so typically my main job is talking to scientists and helping them share their stories, and there's something I always ask them. So I want to ask this for you, too. Out of everything you've done with Wormhole, what's something you're most personally proud of?
    29:30
    I think the growth of the brand. Yeah. I'm really, really, really proud of because I think when people see this shirt or if you tell – when we started, no one knew who the hell we were and what we were doing. The fact that people come and wear Wormhole shirts and I don't know who they are. Yeah. And that they love what we're doing and they love our community, that's my favorite thing. That's so cool. And I think on top of people coming to Wormhole, you've been seeing Wormhole shirts out at other expos, right? At like Chicago and Houston and like TPM. What is that like? Weird. Yeah. It's weird. Sorry, they're mowing outside. Can you hear it? I can't, no. Okay, good. So that means they can't.
    30:14
    Yeah, that's weird. When people come up and say hello and they want to say hello to me and that they listen to the podcast and they listen to the stream, watch the stream. I'm really blown away. It's so nice. But it was nothing like going to Vegas at a Celtic convention. I was a freaking celebrity. Wow. Ben, do you want to get to that level in pinball? I don't know. I like that I can hide behind the Wormhole logo, right, and it's Jamie from the Wormhole, and that it's a collective. It's all of us, and that I'm just the one that's, you know, public-facing. I'm okay with that. Sure. It's funny, speaking of both mowing the lawn and that same sort of thing. So I play a lot at Game Preserve NASA, my other place other than Wormhole, and someone new came to a tournament the other day and met me. And after hearing my voice, they were like, oh, my gosh, I just listened to the podcast from Wormhole with you on it while I was mowing the grass this past weekend. I was like, well, look at that. I've already got an in with someone new, and they listened to the one where I was on the BBC, you know, episode. That came out good. We edited that one really nicely. Yes. I was just like, wow, that's pretty fun. I've never had someone recognize me for my voice before, not for a video that I've been in. So that was a first. Yeah. I got that a lot in Vegas. Like I would be talking to someone and they look at me and they go, are you Jamie from The Lost Boys? And I was like, oh, gosh. Very cool. Also, just have to give a shout out to this fly that is absolutely bombing this entire podcast. if you're not watching the video version it is like going extremely in front of the camera constantly can you see it yes oh every time it goes by here's what happens right because we're not open to the public all right so whoever was here last left the lime out oh okay so these are fruit flies and it's right and i got them it's a fruit fly because someone made their own margaritas in here and forgot to throw out the lime. There you go. Behind the scenes of what the wormhole is really like right there. Just throw it away. But we're learning. It's okay. It's no big deal.
    32:29
    And we're at the end of this year for 2024. So what are some of the big milestones that you feel like wormhole hit this past year? Personally, for one, have you ever shouted out the new mural on the podcast yet? That was one that I thought was very cool. Mural was a good day She took a long time. We had bad weather. And then I kept – it was my first time trying to do time-lapse, and I didn't do a very good job. But next time. I think you're not good. Next time we do something mural-esque, it'll be okay. No, it's just not good enough. You know what I mean? I'm crazy. She filmed it too, though. The artist put out a really good video too. Hers is better. But, yeah, any other, like, things that you felt like were really big milestones for 2024? well I think getting the twippies and being you know not awarded the twippies but partnering with the twippies was a really big moment in 2024 for the uh the relationships that I've developed through the podcast have been really great and for them to to think about us and to say you know what we want to have the new pinball community awards at the wormhole permanently for years and years to come. That was a big moment. I geeked on that. And then I called you pretty much right away on that one. Yeah. Some great advice. And I think we're following through on that, right? I think so. I'm, I'm pumped to see how it all turns out.
    33:51
    That, and then, you know, it just happened to me a couple of weeks ago. I got invited to Stern to go see the new release. That's awesome. Yes. Which I'm assuming is D and D, but everyone, you know, nobody says anything in this hobby, which makes no sense. still. It has to be top secret. Just say it's D&D and we're going to go see it. I'm going to go see it. I hope it is. I said I really want that theme, so we'll see. Never played a game of D&D in my life. Well, I'm a big old nerd in a lot of different ways, so I watch Dungeons & Dragons streaming content all the time more than I play. Actually, I'm going to New York in January to see a live game of D&D at Madison Square Garden from my favorite streaming. I am. See, I keep doing the wrong podcast, right? I do Celtics supporters, which is which was great, but it's only one club. Right. And then I do a culture, a subculture of a subculture for pinball. Yeah. I would show, you know, Magic the Gathering or D&D on Twitch. You could be in Madison Square Garden right now, man. I could have been there. Well, that's the thing. You just got to be responsible for growing it big enough. D&D didn't used to be that big. So, you know, you'll be part of the rise. I don't see a convention in Madison Square Garden, but that would be pretty B.A. We'll see. I'm imagining like, you know, someone playing it right in the middle broadcast up there. You can be commenting the whole thing. See, that's that's what I say. Shoot for the stars. I am a big thing. You know, I'll keep trying. There you go. OK, well, on that note, here's my last question before we go into the rapid fire stuff. OK, looking forward five year plan. Where do you see Wormhole streaming in the podcast going? I think the podcast will just continue to grow and keep telling interesting stories. What I want to do is tell more intricate stories. Like if you go in and say my favorite ones, like Daniel Pack, me and you did, Daniel Pack, that was outstanding. I really enjoyed those. Getting people's stories out there that normally haven't been told is pretty darn exciting. So I'd like to just keep finding these hidden talents and telling their stories for years to come. I love that, the storytelling aspect of it. I'd like to get this TV show off the ground. That could be pretty wild.
    36:06
    And decide if we just want to do it ourselves. You know, we might. Maybe we'll just do it ourselves. We'll see. If someone out there wants to bankroll this, hit us up, you know. Yeah, but I want to host it. So don't just come in and say bankroll it and then just choose Aaron. With Jamie hosting.
    36:24
    I know that there are better options, but I want to do it. So, yeah, we'll see. That is a good five year plan, I think. And then, you know, the Wormhole brand is just to continue to grow it, to continue to show what we are as a foundation, to continue to work with neurodivergent individuals, to continue to hire neurodivergent individuals, to work with Project Pinball and do all these great things on a community aspect. That's really where I want to see it go. Yeah. And on that note, how do you see it growing within the Houston community as a whole wormhole and kind of, I guess, where do you see the Houston community growing? Because I feel like it's grown so much in the last two years since I've been a part of it. I think it's grown from so many different locations. Yeah. And we're a big city, ladies and gentlemen. We're the fourth largest city in the United States. So, you know, Einstein's and some of those locations out in Katy and Richmond, they might not be a good for someone that lives in central Houston. So that, you know, now that we have Eureka Heights, Eighth Wonder, all these different places in Houston, we have gotten new players. And then inevitably someone will say to them, this is great, but have you been to Wormhole? Yeah.
    37:43
    That just shows how great our community is, that they're like, look, this place in the Heights is so fun. You've got to go and play a 4X there. And that's why we're getting 60 plus people for those now. So, yeah, there are so you're right. There's so many top notch locations like any one of these would be a thing that you go to any other city and people be like, you got to go to Little Dipper, Poison Girl, Gamers, Eureka Heights. Absolutely. And really and each each group that manages those locations are fantastic and they love the pinball community. So why would we not continue to support those? Yeah. And the stewards of Space City Pinball, give them a shout out. Right. Like the board, Elizabeth Jone and Gammons and all these guys, they've done a great job of keeping.
    38:30
    Space City Pinball growth and the tight community, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And as you said, Wormhole kind of because of its central location and quality becomes sort of a hub for all of that. So I hope so. All right. And now it is time for our rapid fire game that you've gotten to deliver a ton of times. but now you get to give your answers for the hurry up. All right. I'm excited. I don't know.
    38:56
    Yeah, I know that Jamie has not been given a preview of any of these. So, and a big shout out to Donovan Wade for helping me write these, especially some of the sports one, because I don't know baseball very well. So, you know, I did have to Google a couple of these. We like, what am I asking Jamie right now? So, you know, I'll walk you through it. Okay. Sounds good. All right. Well, first one, this is one for me to start out, But what is your grandbaby's current favorite pinball machine? I'm assuming based on lights and colors.
    39:23
    So, Lucas, we have a Jurassic Park LE in the house right now that we're borrowing from the wormhole, and he is addicted to it. He really likes the dinosaurs, and his fingers are all over that glass. I also did see he got a pinball machine for Christmas, too. He got a little Tykes, a little Tykes pinball machine. He just wants to play multiball. That's all I want. understandable don't we all yeah okay steinbrenner or billy martin steinbrenner okay steinbrenner was the owner is the owner of the yankees billy martin was a longtime manager of the yankees they feuded constantly but billy's a pain in the ass i'll go with okay all right and then what is john spates one of the earlier mentioned formal five what is a stronger skill playing pinball or getting in people's heads he's the both him and tim have that ability by the way yeah uh what but the phrase that we have here is what's going on over here okay and that is a john spates ism where if you are blowing up a machine and he is in your group you are going to hear what's going on over here see that's why you wear the headphones right it's the john spates blocker there so because he will come up and say and once i hear what's coming on over here i'm done that is draining in 10 minutes 10 seconds it's cool enough why are you so playing so great you're doing so well yeah it's a good move all right theater of magic or tales of the arabian nights theater magic okay i don't like i don't like that one i don't like totan okay i can't get a groove in that i've never played that one only the virtual oh really yeah it's pretty awesome but yeah it's pretty great all right um most bizarre machine in the vault oh gosh io moon is really bizarre yeah it it's really bizarre i keep going to it it's like one of my favorites because the cabinet's all screwed up and we really got to fix that cabinet that but it is such a spanish ripoff of 2001 space odyssey all the way down music that it's so fun that you can't believe they got away with this i mean they ripped that and they just ripped it all off those are really fun cool is that you think that one's coming out anytime soon we got to fix the cabinet because it looks like crap okay but once people play isle moon they're gonna they're gonna geek on that one cool all right on a scale of one to ten how would you rate your ability to fix a pinball machine, 10 being Brian Foytick.
    42:02
    I can get a stuck ball out. So, we got a 1 or a 2 in there? 2.3. I can open a cabinet, get a stuck ball out, and I can tighten a nut.
    42:16
    Incredible. More easily sidetracked on stream you or Donovan Both have ADD Me Okay Top pinball location slash event that you still want to attend? I have to go to Electric Backs Tuesday. That's high, high, high on my list. Yeah, I think I'm going in February. Are you going on Tuesday? Yeah. I um I think it's so random like everyone's like you have to go to this great place but it has to be Tuesday yeah I mean coincidentally I'm going on a trip to Flagstaff with my mom we're flying out of Phoenix on Wednesday so we're going to stay over Tuesday night and and go to oh you have to take pictures yes absolutely yeah that's my number one I have to get there I gotta go see them and then I want to go see quarter drop yes and go and go see my friend's co absolutely do a in-person arcades across America. Yeah, that could be fun. I like it. All right, best New York pizza spot?
    43:22
    John's on 44th. Okay. I'll keep that in mind for when I go in January for my D&D. No, it's really, really good. It's an old church. Okay. And it's coal fire, which there's not a lot of coal fire ovens in New York City. Sure.
    43:38
    John's. Okay. Not John's on Bleeker. John's on 44th. Very important. Yeah, they're different. Okay. Most surprising interview you've done for the podcast? It can be either good or bad.
    43:55
    So I did a bad one. Okay. I did a bad one. I'm not going to out them, but it was terrible. I was having anxiety before the podcast, and I was nervous. I have anxiety. anyone that knows me and you just see it in my face that jamie struggles with it sometimes and i was just having a bad mental day and then it carried into the podcast and i literally had a panic on the podcast and to this day i can't even listen to that one oh boy is it poor guy i was it took so much editing to get it to be somewhat decent well we'll keep it a secret then no it's you're going to know. I'm in a better place. Good. That was a really bad day.
    44:43
    All right. You, Kayla and Rachel, step up to Galactic Tank Force. Who wins? Me. They're too blinded by hatred on that machine to know what the heck they should be doing. Now, the only problem is our Galactic Tank Force sometimes the four player didn't work, so three might work. okay perfect yeah all right i'll wipe the floor with them on that amazing okay well now if you go for a tuesday do they still have theirs no they sold theirs oh dang okay they dumped that quick ours is in the vault ours is in the vault now okay yeah it had its time at wormhole for sure had a good run absolutely all right who is the best baldwin alec right yeah i like alec And I like Steven. Steven's pretty funny on Usual Suspects. That's a good movie.
    45:35
    Underrated. They're from Massapequa. You know why he asked that? They're from Massapequa, Long Island. Uh-huh. And that's where I'm from. That's your hometown. Yeah. So we have the Baldwin's and Jerry Seinfeld. Okay. Very good. And then you have Seinfeld Pinball Machine.
    45:48
    I don't know. I don't think so. The music itself doesn't lend to it. Great startup sound, you know. Yeah, a good startup. But eventually that's going to annoy the hell out of you. Yeah, that's fair.
    46:01
    All right. Underrated pinball experience or location that people don't know about? Underrated pinball location that people don't know about.
    46:15
    Well, do they know about the Contemporary Hotel? I don't know. The Contemporary Hotel. Well, one of my goals to get on the podcast is the GM of Disney and the Contemporary Hotel. Okay. Because that place got me through a lot of problems when I moved to Florida. And they had a lot of pinball. And I played it, but I wasn't very good at it. You know, I played other games. But that's the kind of – people don't know that the Contemporary Hotel at one point had the largest arcade in America. And it was – so maybe that could be underrated. That's good. And do you have any one in Houston you feel like more people should know about too? That's just a separate question, yeah.
    47:00
    You know, I like Little Dipper, and that's starting to really grow. And I like Poison Girl, and that's still growing.
    47:08
    Eighth Wonder is a nice little secret. It's new to pinball, and they've got a good eight machines over there. So I'm going to go with Eighth Wonder. Cool. Yeah, I'll pick Little Dipper for mine because, I mean, they gave out free Christmas cookies at the last tournament. What could be better than that? Jessica and Jamie do a good job over there. They help run that. They do a great job at Little Dipper. Yeah. All right. Least favorite Yankee of all time?
    47:37
    Oh, Jacoby Ellsbury. I mean, that contract was embarrassing. Yeah. Okay. I have no context, but yeah, sure. He signed into this big deal from Boston, and he didn't do crap. It was a disaster. There's like three people that are going to be nodding their head right here. Okay. But those three people.
    48:01
    Three people. Nice. Yeah, he's right on, Jacoby. Least favorite machine that's ever been at Wormhole?
    48:11
    Least favorite machine that has ever been. See, this is a trick question because I force myself to keep playing it. And Warlock would have been on that list. And I had been hellbent. I wanted Warlock the hell out of here. And now I love Warlock. So you just got to – right now it's future clean that I want the hell out of here. Okay. Because it's just so random and it's just weird. And it's a good tournament. It's hard to figure out what to do on it. Yeah.
    48:39
    Yeah. See, my guess was that you were going to say, was it class of 1812 or something? I hate that game. That's what I thought you were going to say, yeah. I forgot. I've literally shut 1812 out of my head because I hate that game so much because it's so loud, ladies and gentlemen. That's the problem. It's the call-outs are obnoxious. It doesn't shut up. When you're here by yourself trying to write or edit a podcast or anything, 1812 doesn't shut up. It's already been here twice, so I don't want 1812 back. Good call. Yeah. All right. Better feeling winning a tournament or seeing huge viewing numbers like podcast downloads or Instagram links? Winning a tournament. Yeah.
    49:19
    Very good. And I don't win hardly ever, so it's such a rare. Finishing top three at the Wormhole, getting a picture taken, that's really my goal. Very good. And I asked the least favorite machine at Wormhole. Favorite machine that's ever been at Wormhole?
    49:35
    Medieval Madness. Okay. That was before my time. Original Medieval Madness. And it's coming back. I love it so much that it's coming back. We're getting rid of Future Queen, I think. I think I'm pulling the trigger for this weekend. Okay. And bringing Manevo back. Ooh, that would be awesome. All right, last one. What are you most looking forward to the pinball world in 2025?
    49:58
    There's some really neat titles that are being rumored that I'd really like to see. I'm really excited to see what Barrels does next. I don't know. they don't tell me anything i'm not signed to that nda uh but i kong sounds really awesome i mean how can you screw up kong right it can't it's gonna be and it's ellen if that's true that would be so great yeah i mean you gotta do not that kong skull island crap right it's gotta be like what godzilla did so yeah it's gotta be the empire state building you can't you You know, it's got to be the old time with the biplanes shooting at them.
    50:45
    That would be so great. They got to do that. I'm going to tell them again. Well, I'm going to tell them when I go up there. Okay. When you got your personal inside connection now, it's turned.
    50:57
    I'm like, come on, guys. You're not going to screw this one up, are you? Because this is going to be great. No, they're not going to. It's going to be, it's going to, it's weird. Like pinball, you listen to some podcasts and pinball is in the druthers, right? You listen to other podcasts and we're all happy as hell. I think this is a great time to be a pinball fan and to have pinball content. It's fun. Yeah, okay, prices are high. Prices are high for everything. Go buy some bacon. So, you know, I just don't understand the negativity, Erin, for some of these other podcasters. We're just here to have fun, talk about pinball, and just enjoy it. And I really think 2025 is going to be a great year for that. totally agreed pinball it's just a fun thing you know it's just the dick thing is how absolutely and we have so many machines from history we got so many new ones coming out it's great time to be in pinball and also the fly did come back in case you were wondering so um the very important uh info for all the listeners the fly did fly past the camera again so yeah it's all over the place all right congratulations you have completed the hurry up, Jamie. Thank you so much. That's fun. I love the hurry up. Very good. Well, again, that's all I had for you for questions. Thank you for hosting 50 great episodes. I've had fun listening and I think it's been really cool to hear more and more people get to know about Wormhole, get to know about you and all the rest of the awesome crew that plays in Houston and can't wait to see how it continues to grow. What was your favorite podcast that you sat on? That I was a part of? Oh, Danielle's, as you said earlier, was my favorite. My favorite to listen to was the Electric Bat Crew. I really did. The first one with me and Donovan or the Archeage Across America? With you and Donovan. Because it was very fun to have Donovan be a part of it, who's such a fan of them, too. And also, you just give in Donovan crap. He was so nervous. Which was very fun. He was so nervous. But, you know, I liked Danielle's, too, because I feel like there was a lot of just, I don't know, diving into more than just the surface level. It was like a lot of, you know, true feelings about all that sort of thing. Yeah, it was like, remember when you're too young. But when I was a kid, there used to be like on a very special episode of Family Ties. And Michael J. Fox gets drunk or whatever. So once in a while, I want to have a very special episode of Wormhole Pinball. Yeah, I think that would be cool. And I think I've seen some I've heard some podcasts that do like replays or like will put together some of their favorite segments, too. I feel like that would be cool to get a little montage, even if it's of like hurry up segments or something of some of the best of the podcast so far. I think that would be fun.
    53:40
    The flies back again. Sorry, y'all. You can't leave lines out at an empty building. It's not a good move. No, but no. Thank you so much, Aaron. I really appreciate you. This was a lot of fun. Of course. No, it was great. I hope you didn't mind me having turned around and questions asked to you. No. I was nervous. I yapped a lot. I'm sorry. We'll have to edit. That's the point. That's the point of being the Pierce News being interviewed. You're supposed to talk. Oh, okay. Anything else you want to share with the people that you don't normally get to say? Oh, yeah.
    54:15
    Well, no. You know, check out SpaceCityPinball.com and the calendar of events. Go to IFPA and check out a calendar event. Here's my public service. This is good. Thank you. Mm-hmm.
    54:27
    Go play competitive pinball. it is wicked fun okay it's it will it is so competitive but it's so much fun go to your local place and just like uh rachel and kale will say constantly anyone that plays competitive pinball that owns a bar or owns an establishment will tell you just try it once and you're going to get hooked i'm telling you and this community will help you they will help you change the end lanes they will tell you about dead bouncing they will tell you to trap up and not just wail They will help you. Look at Erin. Erin is making it to the top 24 in the state of Texas women's. Okay? You just started playing. I'm 12 out of 16 right now. Hopefully it lasts two more days. Two more days is all she needs to get out of the 16. I mean, that's exciting, right? I mean, so that's my pitch to you. Go play in a tournament. Go to ifba.com and see a list of events and just say, I'm new here. Can you help me? That's all you've got to say. and I guarantee you every person will come and help you. Yeah, absolutely. And honestly, in most places. I've played in Tennessee. I've played in Florida. I've played in North Carolina. I've played here in Texas. And across the board, pinball people are pretty great. They're really great. Yeah. And I'll do the plug for Jamie. Go subscribe and follow Wormhole Pinball on Twitch and YouTube and Instagram and all the places. I appreciate you listening to the podcast all of this time and supporting in all the places. as you know, the Twippies are going to be on YouTube. The streams are on Twitch. We're making fun stuff on Instagram now. So follow us all the places to be just bombarded with Jamie and I for the next year. Well, thank you, Erin, for everything that you do for the Wormhole. We really appreciate it. This partnership has been amazing and I look forward to continuing it in 2025 and forward. Of course. Thank you all for listening. Have a great new year. Hope you had a happy holidays and talk to you at a competitive pinball tournament soon. Happy new year.
    56:22
    Thank you.