I've I've watched pl I think I've watched everything on it so far. Um, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, actually, I I No, this is the 12minute actually, I I No, this is the 12minute video, isn't it, that he did? Yeah, this is the he just did. Yeah, three balls. Showed the modes. Yeah, three balls. Showed the modes. Showed how the multiball works. Showed the the integration of the screen at the back, which they've got their their screen that's in Labyrinth and June. This one's mounted differently, so it acts more like a hologram. Um, and you know, obviously gives that ghostly impression. Uh, the light show is fantastic. The game's got a turntable in it, a bit like Popeye. Um, it's got inline um, uh, drop targets. It's got um uh the game's loaded. It's got a tower that collapses. I I think they've knocked it out of the park. Um I would have loved to grab one. Um unfortunately timing and everything. I'm lucky though that um family members picked one. So, we're going to have one in the in the community, which is good. Fantastic. Um which is which is fantastic. But um Um which is which is fantastic. But um you know, we were we only got 24 of them in Australia and I think a hundred of them internationally only. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I heard I heard heard the same thing. Yeah. So, you know, 425 stayed in the US Yeah. So, you know, 425 stayed in the US and sold out in two days, mate. So, um you know, again, I think um in relation to uh the expo in general, um man, I'm disappointed that I wasn't It was a bit of a tough week for me. I should have been there unfortunately due to multiple reasons I couldn't be. um one of them because it's like 34-hour flight after all the connecting flights and everything. Um but you know seeing the community get together um seeing everyone celebrate barrels of fun. A lot of people loved Star Wars as well. I know that's a touchy subject for you but um you know it's uh Star Wars uh people loved it. You know it wasn't Stern was pretty quiet this year. They didn't obviously have a game at um Expo that like they did last year with Metallica, but um every everyone was I think they had like 30 Harry Potters. Did you see how many Harry Potters are on the floor? Um yeah, but I mean the thing is it's Um yeah, but I mean the thing is it's it's been out. I mean it's it's what was it? We we got we got it over here in June, didn't we? So I mean so many people have played it now, you know. So So that it's not even I you know. So So that it's not even I mean it's a great game, but it's it's not a new release um in that sense. So, they probably didn't need 30 there, you know. No, but you know, it's it's just good to No, but you know, it's it's just good to see. There's a lot of people that just haven't had a chance to play any of these games. Um, and everyone, you know, everyone fell in love with um with Win I don't think I heard one negative thing about Winchester. Uh, same about Harry Potter. People love Harry Potter. And to be honest, the amount of people that just really liked Predator, which is which is disappointing because, you know, they they had such a botched release. They're only making a certain number now. They're going to stop making them in December apparently due to licensing expiry. I don't know if that's true or not, whatever. But, um, we'll never know. Uh, it's a shame the game's popular. It's a little bit expensive like you said when you compare it to Evil Dead and um uh you know what the competition's doing but you know it is what it is. Yeah. Look, I mean I we just I think Yeah. Look, I mean I we just I think we're absolutely blessed at the moment. I really do with with choice. I quite like the um I quite like the idea of the limited numbers as well because I I there was for so long you felt like everybody like for instance everybody bought a Godzilla. Everybody bought one. So, everybody had a Godzilla. I think it's quite nice, you know. Um, I think it eventually filtered down and helped the secondhand market, which again, it was interesting listening to Car's video and him saying the secondhand market is is bad on um over in the US. It's certainly the case over here. You probably can't see it in the video. I've got a Star Trek Next Generation just there. I've got to do a video on it and I'm going to sell it. I'm gonna take a hit on that. And and normally they would sort of hold their value. The secondhand games obviously new in box you'll lose money. I would expect that. you know, the secondhand ones, um, particularly that. So, I'm going to take a little bit of a hit on there, but I do think with these new in box when there's limited numbers going around, whatever, you know, 900 Labyrinth, um, whatever it is, 1100 Evil Dead, 500 Winchester eventually, I think that's quite good because not everyone's got the same game. Um, and you wouldn't if if if I put and wanted that up now for a um a used Godzilla Pro or Premium, I'd be undated with people saying, "Oh, I'll sell you mine. I'll sell you mine." So, it's not an issue. So, I actually think that's that's quite good. Um, I don't Yeah. So, I don't mind it. I I was It was really nice. So, I didn't have I didn't have FOMO. I had JMO, right? I I didn't have FOMO. I had JMO, right? I had the joy of missing out because these games are so good now. Whenever anyone produces a theme that I don't really like, I think that's that's lucky. That's lucky, you that's that's lucky. That's lucky, you know, cuz cuz June June was a June was a problem because it's such a big theme for me and the game was so good. I just have to I've got to get it. I'm I have no I have no choice. Um and Labowski had to go to to get that. That's that's just what what's had to happen. Um, and I love Labowski, you know, a dream theme amazing pinball machine has gone to get a dream theme amazing pinball machine. L, you know, what really nice problem to have, isn't it? So, I I was I was I was worried. So, I don't mind the um I don't mind the Jo actually because Well, okay. Okay. So, I was able to look at it from afar, think, okay, haunted house. Yeah. Um, and again, I'd listened to Kerry's video and he did it start of his video. I think it was a featurette. He told the story of the Winchester house and about the lady that kept on building the rooms and I didn't know anything about it. So, I was grateful for that information and um okay, I get it. I understand. I thought the lights looked amazing. I think the shots, the turntable looked great. The little um lamp on uh ramp on the left. Fantastic. The sound I heard everything that Jeff had to say. And I am in Well, what did I do yesterday? I sent you a video, didn't I? Yesterday and said, "Can you send this to Jeff, please?" It was a video. Um, it was a Denerve video about the Um, it was a Denerve video about the making of June, but just from an audio perspective. So, it's all the sound engineers. Um, cuz I'm just in love. I'm in cuz I'm just in love. I'm in cinematically and from all the audio. I'm just in love with with June anyway. I think it might be it might be the the best thing yet in it might be the the best thing yet in terms of cinematic and audio. It's just I've watched I've watched both films I've watched I've watched both films four or five times. It's a bit unhealthy actually. But um uh so anyway, it was just it was just a uh so anyway, it was just it was just a case of that. But yes, um, sorry, what I was just just to say I could admire I could admire the game. It's beautifully made. It looks beautiful. I love I love the sort of greens that are in it as sort of almost aqua green. It's not similar to this actually. Um, I love those um in it. I love the sound, but okay, I don't I don't I don't have but okay, I don't I don't I don't have to get this. Um, so I'm now, you know, I'm the same. And then everybody's teasing this spooky thing. And I in many respects a bit of Joo Mo from um from Evil Dead because it was sold out. Sold out. So Oh gosh. Sold out. So Oh gosh. Okay, that's good. So there's there's no Okay, that's good. So there's there's no temptation. So every time there's not any temptation, I'm pleased for it. I think uh just to touch on what you said, one of the things I think helped Barrels of Fun uh apart from obviously being a good company and having Carl D'Angelo and having Jeff who's just doing phenomenal work with sound effectses and and sound and everything. Um but was that was that video Kerry did because he's sold Kerry has a way of storytelling. Um, and even though it's in that Texan accent and you know, it's like he's therapeutic and he has a way of like getting the message across and it's a bit like he's like the David Adam of Pinball, right? Like he I watched that like he educated me on that house. Like I knew about I didn't have a clue about it. Yeah. I didn't have a clue about it. Yeah. But but I didn't know the full extent of But but I didn't know the full extent of that house, right? So, uh, you know, there was that and that gave you a bit of FOMO and a bit of Jo cuz you're like, "Fuck, Kerry's Kerry's getting me a little bit excited here, right?" Um, and and I actually said to him, he's got to do more of these type of videos cuz he's actually really good at them, you know? He's really good at them. Yeah. Um but yeah, look, I think between Yeah. Um but yeah, look, I think between that and obviously everyone knowing and you know, it's a pretty big um uh we say big dig big dick energy in Australia when someone's got a lot of confidence and it's a lot of uh uh BDE from Barrels of Fun to drop this game like a week out like we're we're going to see Beetlejuice anytime now, right? That's whatever it's rumored to be. it, you know, it's very risky to just drop this Winchester house, which is a spooky theme. You know, it's a scary theme, uh, you know, days, weeks just before Beetlejuice, right? And Beetlejuice will sell out. It was going to sell out day one, 100%. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right. Because of the FOMO that Evil Right. Because of the FOMO that Evil Dead has created. So, um, but yeah, look, fully agree with everything you said. You know, I'm a bit surprised you're getting rid of Star Trek Next Generation, though. It's got to go. I don't have any more. It's got to go. I don't have any more. I've got no more space. Honestly, and this this this hobby is evil evil hobby actually. So, um my friend John posted up a Batman cat my friend John posted up a Batman cat Catwoman edition Batman 66 Catwoman edition Batman 66 with with candy purple armor. I don't need another candy purple armor. I don't need another pinball machine. I I I I don't want to, you know, it's almost like I'm trying to, you know, try not to I'm not looking. I'm not looking. Sorry. At the moment, I don't even look Sorry. At the moment, I don't even look at marketplace anymore because I can't I can't get anything. So, you the first thing is what can I sell? That's that's that's a disease. That's that's that's a disease. How many kids do you need? How many kids do you need? Exactly. Um Exactly. Um just sell one of them. just sell one of them. Well, they just need they more of them Well, they just need they more of them need to work. That's that's to be fair, two of them are, but I can't put the 11-y old out to work just yet. More's the shame. Um and I did and I I thought So, it's I and I did and I I thought So, it's I have nothing. I'm now getting rid of games. I have nothing bad to say about them. I'm not I couldn't say a bad word about Star Trek Next Generation the same way I couldn't tell you a bad word about Big Labowski. Um do you think do you think that's because do you think do you think that's because like I've leared to tell myself I used to have bad separation like having to sell something to get something in. That's the only way I can get games in now. Right. For sure. For sure. But I've I've leared For sure. For sure. But I've I've leared to say to myself, don't worry, you'll be able to get one again because there's plenty of Star Treks out there. There's plenty of big Labowskis out there and even Evil Deads, right? Even though they're sold, right? People will need to sell an Evil Dead to buy Beetlejuice. People will need to sell an Evil Dead to buy whatever the next spooky game after Beetlejuice is. So, we will see more on the market eventually. I don't think they're going to be like uh they'll hold that value. I think you'll get what you paid for it in two years time, right? But I think they'll be out there, you know? I think it's just about being patient. But, you know, I've had to really learn learn that it's okay to let Star Trek Next Generation go because you can get one again next week if you had to. I've already had one before. I've had I've already had one before. I've had one before. So, I I I will. It just It just needs I've got Taxi coming in next week. Yeah, I think it's I think next week. Yeah, I think it's I think it's coming in next week. Um, which I'm I'm really looking forward to to playing it, but you get these games you don't like Fathom. I didn't expect to get Fathom. That wasn't in the plan. And you can't get rid of a Fathom once you've got a Fathom. It's fantastic. It's fantastic. That can't go. Um, so you got these That can't go. Um, so you got these wonderful problems. You can't get rid of Attack from Mars, obviously, for obvious reasons. You can't get rid of Deadpool. Can't get rid of Jaws. You can't um you got these See, I got rid of Deadpool. See, I got rid of Deadpool. Did you? Did you? Yeah. I traded out of Deadpool to get Yeah. I traded out of Deadpool to get two older games because I've had it for so long that I just wasn't playing it. And to be honest, like between having that, Venom, X-Men, and um Avengers, I was like, they all feel the same. Oh, Oh, like that. Don't put thumbs down. that. Don't put thumbs down. Got a better layer out of all of them, Got a better layer out of all of them, right? And maybe then X-Men. But I just was like, I've had it for so long, it's time for it to go. I can get another one. I can get another one. You can You can definitely get another You can You can definitely get another one. Yeah. So, Yeah. So, but yeah, I know where you're coming but yeah, I know where you're coming from. You sold the best one. You sold the best one. Don't worry. Avengers went I traded in Avengers. You're talking You're talking Infinity You're talking You're talking Infinity Quest. Yeah, Avengers Infinity Quest. I traded Yeah, Avengers Infinity Quest. I traded both gone. Yeah. Go on. Yeah. Um, so Avengers. Um, what else? Yeah. Um, so Avengers. Um, what else? Um, Guardians of the Galaxy. No, Uncanny X-Men will never leave. No, Uncanny X-Men will never leave. It is the best looking game Stern's ever It is the best looking game Stern's ever made. And I just love the layout too much. And I'm just hoping the code will get there. Right. But I've just have a really really like the comics were a big part of my childhood growing up as well. But it's such a beautiful game to look at. You don't even have to play the bloody thing, right? And mine's dialed in really well. Like it plays beautifully. Um but yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy. Um uh what do you call it? Um uh King Kong didn't last long. I traded out King Kong um for a Tales of the Crypt and a NBA Fast Break, would you believe? What fun. What fun. What fun. What fun. You know, because I just struggled with You know, because I just struggled with the as much as King Kong and we've had these conversations on the channel, but for those that didn't watch those other channels, and shame on you, but if you haven't, um the the game is shoots beautifully when you hit the shots. I found when you're not a good player and you don't nudge a lot and you don't move the game a lot, uh, is a bit of a drain monster. No pun intended. Um, but yeah, I just just struggled to really engage with King Kong, unfortunately. And I think they're struggling with And I think they're struggling with sales. I think I think I think they're struggling because if I think they're struggling because if you saw the new accessories that came out for King Kong, I did, I did, right? There's a lot of recycled bits right? There's a lot of recycled bits from the game. I feel there's like the plunger is the gong and the animated Kong on top is like you could have a King Kong Pro that doesn't have an animated Kong, but he is animated on your topper, right? So, they they must have a lot of parts. I mean, that's the only thing I can think of. Um, like they're good accessories, but I just think, you know, anyway, well, here's here's the things. I've well, here's here's the things. I've been thinking quite a lot about this and it was really, as I say, read nothing into the fact that I won't get a Winchester. I was very impressed. As I say, I was relieved. I was relieved that the theme didn't appeal to me. I I and I'm there. I can't remember I I I and I'm there. I can't remember I can't remember who's meant to have Matrix and who's meant to have Goonies, but I am myself for when that happens, thinking, "Oh no, I'm in trouble. I'm in trouble. What's what's going to go to make those come in?" So, every, as I say, every time a game comes, and I'm not bitter about Star Wars not coming over here now. I think it's done me a favor. It's fine. It's another one I can't have. Leave it. Good. Go away. Evil Dead. Fine. Go away. Um, I was going to send you a Star Wars cuz I was going to send you a Star Wars cuz I worked out with the exchange rate and the shipping, it's still cheaper to get it from me than it is to get it in the UK. Well, here's here's the point. Thank Well, here's here's the point. Thank you. Don't don't don't. Um, I don't owe you money, do I? Um, I the thing is as as nice as it looks and it's not up to the level of the games that I've just mentioned, it is not 100% it's not up to the level of the thing is it's not up to the level of the thing is I'd get Harry Potter first. It's not up to the level of Harry Potter. It's not up to the level of Evil Dead. It's not up to the level of June. It's not up to the level of Winchester. They they have they have superseded it. They've gone too far. Um, they don't they've gone too far. They've just done what they've done. Okay. They are just making as said on this channel for years and years now the best pinball machines they possibly could. Um when you've got the balls roll not just wire forms you're using three magic wands which are lit for the b balls to roll along and you're you know and you've got a twisting staircase changing staircase changing ball paths or changing a wheel in winter house and you're doing all of this stuff and you've got a in in in the Evil Dead you've got this ridiculous topper a lower playfield um lots of different flippers all these me a worm that eats the ball a worm that eats the ball a worm that eats the all this is we we a worm that eats the all this is we we just get spoiled and this is the new standard and we've already said at the start of this video we love our old games. We love having a quick game of Dolly Parton or World Cup soccer but we're talking about new games now. We're talking about new games and the bar has gone from there to there on everything mechanisms sound um on everything mechanisms sound um everything the beauty of it. Look at the artwork on Evil Dead. What's what's Franchie going to do with Beetlejuice? It's going to look brilliant. And I think the problem is now where I look at Star Wars, I think, I just know that if anybody else had I just know that if anybody else had done Star Wars, I'm not even talking about shots. Now, forget the layout. Just forget the layout. I'm talking about sound. I'm talking about I'm talking about sound and toys. And I'm talking about being immersive. Now, I might not I might not like the haunted house theme of Winchester, but I I'm damn sure if I started playing it, I'd feel haunted, right? That's the whole point of it. Um I you you feel you I got goosebumps first time I played Harry Potter. This is this is different stuff. It's it's different level stuff. And you got to remember in in the UK here there's no difference in the price point. You all those games I've said are the price of a Stern Premium. That that's that's what that's what That that's that's what that's what we're talking about here. So I I started thinking about this and and I started thinking about Kong which I think out of all the games that we've mentioned Kong is probably the best shooter out of them. Um obviously I've not winter I haven't played obviously let's let's say that but obviously um I think he's probably the best shooter but even over Harry Potter even over Harry Potter look I mean high level Harry Potter look I mean high level Harry Potter Harry Potter and June I thought shoot shot really really well but yeah I I think I think it's a genius layout but um King Kong I really do and I could I could hit them all day long and I'm not a brilliant player either um and I got to enjoy I got to play the pro and the premium had them both in here did the sideby-side comparison. Again, I don't have a bad word to say about it, but it's not immersive. It didn't It didn't It didn't I didn't It didn't It didn't It didn't I didn't feel that I was in the world of King Kong. And for that reason, the shots aren't as good on Jaws, but they, as I say, it's not an anti- stern thing. Jaws, they did it. Jaws drew me in. Now, the sound is improved on Jaws because I I've changed the speakers. All right. So, you've got you got that John Williams thing going on. You got all the movie clips. You got a shark's fin thing coming out of out of the playfield that you got to hit. It's it's there. But this this is this is the problem and this is what I think Stir may have to do is they were never going to give Keith Elwin Star Wars and more is the shame. Not that John Borg did a bad job of it. But here's the thing, nobody would buy if John Borg did John Borg King Kong. No one's buying it. what what they do. And and even I would even argue Godzilla was not a great theme. A brilliant pinball machine. Yes. And did Keith do really well on it? Yes. But but Keith isn't Keith doesn't get the big IPs. Keith doesn't get John Wick. Keith doesn't get because he he'll sell them. He'll sell because he he'll sell them. He'll sell them crappy IPs. Exactly. But but what m here's my point. Exactly. But but what m here's my point. If what Stern want to do now is start matching these others and take Winchester out of it because it's not really an IP. I I get it and I listen to Carrie's explanation of the house. I get it. But I'm talking about IPs. I'm talking about like Goonies is an IP and you know what I'm saying? Harry Potter is an IP. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If if if what they want to do If if if what they want to do is is really start competing with this is is really start competing with this because I know people now um and funny enough this is off the back of a conversation that you and I had yesterday anyway just about finances and about work and stuff like that. I know I know people that used to buy three pinball machines a year new in box that now buy probably one new inbox pinball machine every two years. One of those person one of those people has just bought a Winchester, right? Um, another one of those people I know the first pinball machine they bought in the last two years new in box was an Evil Dead Stern no longer everybody's first choice and and here's the point. So if what they want to do is get back up there actually they're going to need that IP that might be Star Wars they're going to need to give it to their best designer and they're going to have to rinse every every ounce of sound quality they can from their upgraded Spike 3es. They're going to have to be on on absolute point with the art with everything. They can't be leaving with everything. They can't be leaving things out. Um they can't have missing sections of the licenses. I don't mean sections of the licenses. I don't mean missing out on Europe. What I mean is they can't you know you know you know what I mean? you know you know you know what I mean? You can't have you can't have no whatever. I I don't know if the guns on John Wick was a licensing thing. I I don't I don't mind. It's not I don't really care. But whatever it is, they can't have these big holes in the licenses and if there's five big characters in an IP be missing three of them or this this is this becomes an issue. The bar has been raised and that's that's what I'm saying with the stuff now. I think I think an issue uh and I'm not I think I think an issue uh and I'm not saying it's an excuse that Stern have used cuz they've never said it themselves but they very strict on the bomb which is the builder materials for those that don't know what that stands for. um they're very strict on that and I think they need to like change that because they're they're you know stuff got pulled out of certain games when you hear interviews and and things about the making of Kong or the making of this you know they've had things pulled out of games because it went over budget now my question there is is how come Evil Dead can do it how come June can do it how come Wchester can do it right so there's obviously something not lining up here and now when you're a big company it's all about profit so maybe they're very strict and it doesn't matter if they go over by 500 bucks like it does with um you know um Spooky because their overheads are really low and they don't have a massive warehouse that they got to pay for. I get it. Like I understand, right? But the fact of the matter is is that unfortunately you are playing in the same playground as everyone else. And just because you've got all those expenses and very strict and you got to show high profits and you got a board of directors and all that stuff, uh, unfortunately you're playing in the same space as games that are the same price, right? That are far more jam-packed. Um, far more captivating. I was going to Um, far more captivating. I was going to ask you a question, Ry. M you said that you weren't captivated by you said that you weren't captivated by King Kong. Like it did nothing for you themewise. It didn't pull you in. Right. Well, when I was playing it, I didn't Well, when I was playing it, I didn't feel I didn't feel pulled into a world. I I I love the shots, but I didn't feel pulled into a world where Jaws I know we feel that we get pulled Jaws I know we feel that we get pulled in. Did you feel pulled in with X-Men? Uncanny X-Men? Not at all. Not at all. Right. So, Right. So, after the shots, after the shots, right? Do you think it's because of the right? Do you think it's because of the theme or because like because the theme doesn't do like because the theme doesn't do anything for you? Just for me. Just just for me. That's Just for me. Just just for me. That's all I'm saying here. Just So here's the thing, right? Evil Dead So here's the thing, right? Evil Dead not a theme for me, not a theme for me, right? Like it's not a I'm not really right? Like it's not a I'm not really into horror. I'm not really into I couldn't even tell you the last time I'd watched an Evil Dead film. Um but it didn't stop me from like getting one. Right. Because the story is simple, Enzo. The story is the story is simple, Enzo. The story is simple, right? You you can explain what happens in Evil Dead in 20 seconds. Okay? I can't explain to you the details of the uncanny X-Men with the details of the uncanny X-Men with the Sentinels in 20 seconds. Not Not with any detail in 20 seconds. Not Not with any detail that's going to help you um understand a game. You you understand that. So, you don't have I don't I don't feel you have to know to understand. I've always I've always said this. Um a theme of a game should teach you the rules. Okay. attack from Mars. Flying saucers are under o over a lo basically lots of cities on Earth. You have to destroy the flying saucers over each city one at a time. Okay, you basically you now understand the rules. Is there more to it? Yeah, there is. But that's the story. The story of the pinball machine must tell you the rules. You know, you might not have watched um Evil Dead. You might not be into horror, but you can get it. Okay. Yeah, I get but you can get it. Okay. Yeah, I get it. I understand it. This this this is this this is the dude. This is this is the the horrific stuff. This is and it's so in so in your face and I think this is um but it's so easy to understand. It's so but it's so easy to understand. It's so easy to understand the game and the modes, right? I don't have that with like I love Jaws. I don't have that with like I love Jaws. I love the theme integration. I love the simplicity of it. It's easy to understand, but it's not like someone that walks up to a Jaws has no idea what they're doing, right? It's not easy to understand how to start a mode, how to uh close beaches, how to save. Like, it's not it's not easy, right? Like, it's my daughter who's 10 years old will walk up to um uh certain games and know straight away what to do, right? Evil Dead super easy. Like, you know exactly what to do. The it tells you what to do. It's really straightforward. It, you know, theme integration with modes are spectacular. And I think there was that element where I was trying to get it. The reason I wanted to get an Evil Dead was because there was so much excitement by what was in it and how well it was put together. Right. I can't tell you the last time a Stern game had that impact where everyone in the community was saying, "Oh man, the game's loaded. The artwork is fantastic. The callouts and music are fantastic. Uh it's a total package." I couldn't tell you the last st game that I heard that Jaws the art was a miss. Most people reckon, right? The um Uncanny X-Men had teething problems and the code X-Men the sorry um uh John week the code the shots were too hard and it and it was empty like mechwise. Uh Dungeons and Dragons absolutely one of the most captivating code and call out storytelling pinballs. Jaws has ever uh Stern has ever made. But it is an extremely hard shooter. It's It's got to be It's got to be It's It's got to be It's got to be Godzilla. It's got to be the Godzilla premium. I think I think I think that that is it. And probably and that is a theme that nobody wanted. and that is a theme that nobody wanted. Yes. Yeah. Of course. No. No. Listen, Yes. Yeah. Of course. No. No. Listen, you're absolutely right. But there was there was enough in it. Well, first there wasn't the competition Well, first there wasn't the competition that it's got now. So, let's let's let's let's say that now. But it was pretty jam-packed. The But it was pretty jam-packed. The collapsing building was was magnificent. Again, I know that the bridge, the bridge that breaks the bridge, the bridge that breaks was was brilliant. was was brilliant. Collapsing building, the wire forms, the Collapsing building, the wire forms, the mecha Godzilla, the magnet catching the ball, the magnet magnet catching the ball, the magnet catching the ball in the way that it is. People people really really really liked that. Um, no, I mean it was it was a game and people were excit people were excited about it. Um, there's no doubt about that. there's no doubt about that. You know, Chris, it hurts me like I I You know, Chris, it hurts me like I I love what Sten do. I've been, you know, I've been accused of being a stern shill. Um, people think I have a stern tattoo on my butt cheek. Um, I can show No. Um, I got the ST on one butt cheek. Yeah. I got the ST on one butt cheek. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. And then the squeeze the Correct. Yeah. And then the squeeze the whole ass together to just be able to spell the word. That's it. Um, so, but I just I think That's it. Um, so, but I just I think maybe that's why I'm really upset because you know it's like you It's like when um you disappoint your dad, right? and he's really disappointed cuz he's your dad, right? Or your son or and you you take it personally because it's family, right? And it's like and like I just feel that there's been miss after miss after miss and this thing about this big old machine that they've got to keep the wheels moving to keep everything going and you know it's a lot of pressure and I feel for everybody that works there pressure pressure because I don't think it's their fault, because I don't think it's their fault, right? And I think they need to re it in a bit, right? They just got scale it down. They need to scale it scale it down. They need to scale it down. That's what I was going to say. What I'm What I'm excited to hear, What I'm What I'm excited to hear, right, is that they had a panel at Expo where George and Jack were sitting down and George Gomez announced that he is collaborating on Jack Danger's last game. So, he's taking over the design process cuz Jack has stepped down as a designer, which is a huge hit for Stern. Huge hit for Stern. Right. But Gomez is now Do you know why? Can you say why on Do you know why? Can you say why on here? Can we say why? No. Look, No. Look, is it secret stuff? is it secret stuff? Nobody really knows the full story, but Nobody really knows the full story, but I think it's very obvious. Talented in his in his shot layout. So Talented in his in his shot layout. So so talented. I think it's really obvious and Jack is I think it's really obvious and Jack is a friend. Like I send you I get along with Jack really well and I hope I'm not overstepping here. And he hasn't said anything to me. He hasn't said anything to anyone, right? But I've been watching Jack Danger Dead Flip for a long time, right? He has the p he has one of the most charming personalities, the most uh bubbly personalities, the most um he's probably the most approachable person. He he's the person that put Pinball on on the map for streaming. You can't take someone like that and chuck him in an office that he can't talk to anyone about what he's building, right? He he he basically went from being in everyone's house on TV, streaming on Twitch, talking to every content creator, being friends with every company to all of a sudden being stuck in an office, right? At some point, something's got to give. And I think the the pressure, the um the the stress of what it takes to build a game, the the negativity that comes with it because the community sometimes can be very pressure, you know, that the the issues X-Men had unfortunately would have taken a toll mentally. You can't you can't overshadow that. Like you you can't overshadow that. Like you can't pretend it didn't, right? So I think it was all those things and Jack wants to be Jack, right? And we're starting to see Jack be Jack again, right? There's little elements there. We're now in this new position. They don't want him to go to their competition, right? If he was to quit as a designer, he could go over at Spooky and build one game every two years and be able to still do Spooky would let him do whatever the Spooky would let him do whatever the hell he wants, right? He could go to JJP. They don't want him to go. So, they've They don't want him to go. So, they've given him this new role, you know, content um community leader, you know, content um community leader, right? And he's perfect for it. But the fact of the matter is he was in the middle of designing a game rumored to be Pokemon, right? And he's had to stop because he's stepping down from the design. George Gomez is taking over, right? This could be the turning point. This could be the Godzilla 2.0 because we know what George can do. They know they're in trouble, right? And if they don't think they're in trouble, then they're And I'm sorry, this is going to sound really bad, but if Stern doesn't think they're in trouble, they're possibly blinded by a bit of ignorance and arrogance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, we we Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, we we don't know cuz we're not privy to the the sales. We we we don't know about the the sales. We we we don't know about the sales. So all I all I can offer you is anecdotal evidence and that is a lot of people I know know now are buying games other than Stern and these are the same people who I knew and these are the same people who I knew it's not like they're new friends. These are people I've known you know for the whatever for the last 10 years. They were buying Sterns and now they're They were buying Sterns and now they're more excited by this other stuff. And as I as I I keep saying it and I maybe just saying this about the UK, but actually I often thought it was just a UK thing because I say because there's a middleman because we have the import tax a stern premium is the same price as a big labowski or or or a Harry Potter or a June. It's they're pretty much the same price a couple hundred pounds in it. Not much. Um but I always thought that was maybe Um but I always thought that was maybe maybe just to do with the UK to hear Carrie talk about Stern to do something. Um, so talk about Stern to do something. Um, so because I always just thought, well, in the States, I just thought it was just what it is. Stern is almost like a a budget pinball machine. Stern is like a Ford car if you want and and everything else is a a Mercedes, you know. I don't know if a Mercedes, you know. I don't know if that's a great example, but um and and that's that's what it is. But over here, they're not that they are Mercedes price over here, St. I just thought that was but to to then to hear Kerry say it and to hear that there are some frustrations out there. Um, and just to hear the excitement as a what a great question you asked. When was the last time big excitement about about a game? Um, and and and and I I'm I'm a big fan of Jaws. I'll always defend Jaws. But thinking about it, Jaws actually had to be and I'll even defend what you said. I think because of the because of the fishing reel and because of the fin coming up, I think people can go up and play it. They might not necessarily know what they're doing, but people, oh, I want to honestly but people, oh, I want to honestly people come play. I want to get that fin again, you know. So, but I think it was a sleeper. I think because the the ball the shark didn't eat the ball, it's now when you start looking at the pinside top 100, it's it's been ever since then, whatever it was 25 and now it's up there and now it's up in the top 10. So, I think it's a it's a sleeper and I think it matures and people appreciate it over time. But what you was right when it perfect example though, you when it perfect example though, you mentioned the fin, right? Yeah. Yeah. My daughter loves when that fin comes My daughter loves when that fin comes up. She's got no idea how to get it up. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't like it took me ages to go how do I get that fin back up again, right? Like I want to show people this fin, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know and I and I fully get I But you know and I and I fully get I think my comment was more about the content creators or or friends in the community, right, that have had a chance to play an Evil Dead or a June or a Jaws or and there was so much about those particular games that that everyone was saying, "Oh my god, it's a total package." I couldn't tell you the last time a Stern game did. You hit the nail on the head. My thing was the same as you was Godzilla. And I want to touch back. I'm going to look at the camera when I say this, right? Cuz we have a lot of Stern friends that watch this channel, right? From MXV to I'm pretty sure most of them do, right? And I meant what I said before with all the love and respect in the world. But I think if you guys don't really think that there is a problem at the moment, like we maybe need to have a conversation. Uh because I I generally think like Chris said, everyone else is at a different level and unfortunately you're swimming at the same price point, right? So um but they can they can but they can they can they they build a fantastic they they build a fantastic product, mate. And the most reliable that I I would And the most reliable that I I would suggest the most reliable on site in your house. If you look at the Evil Dead layer, If you look at the Evil Dead layer, which is just a simple fan layer, but a real I know everyone's going to say everything's a fan layout. Yeah, but it's a very traditional seven shots. You put that in front of Jaws, it's You put that in front of Jaws, it's identical, right? You argue that Jaws is very right? You argue that Jaws is very similar. Jaws has an upper playfield whereas the other one had a lower play field, right? Jaws has a bigger upper playfield, right? Theme integration on Jaws is probably as good, if not better than the Evil Dead one, right? But there's something that's not on the same. And I think the Evil Dead artwork is fantastic. I think the Jaws one, not so much, right? The goriness and the yelling and the screaming and the swearing, you don't get that in Jaws. So, there's a few things, right? But the littlest things will still make the biggest impact. Um, but anyway, we went off a tangent, right? No, I like I like the tangent, but this No, I like I like the tangent, but this this is this is what is this I wanted to touch on some of the things I wanted to touch on some of the things that were announced at uh at Expo. Have we got time to do that? Yeah, come on. Let's do it. Um, so, uh, Yeah, come on. Let's do it. Um, so, uh, one of the things that was announced was Hexa. Hexa, for those that don't know, um, is basically, um, French company, uh, French. I think they're French. Yeah, French. Um, they announced they're going to do the Three Musketeers from based on the book, would you believe? Um, so can I pull that up? Maybe. Let's see. Where is it? That one. There you go. Can you see that?