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Episode 69 – Never Beef

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Nov 16, 2017
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TL;DR

Repair-focused episode with Steph Guida discussing Sea Witch ownership, bar setup progress, and Fall Brawl tournament recap.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 69 features host Ron Hallett and co-host Bruce Nightingale with guest Steph Guida (returning for her second appearance). The episode covers Steph's new Sea Witch pinball machine acquisition, extensive technical troubleshooting and repair discussions (drop target issues, display problems, socket replacements), bar venue preparations for the upcoming Silver Ball Saloon opening, Fall Brawl tournament results, and upcoming competitive events. The conversation blends technical deep-dives on pinball machine maintenance with community event coverage and casual banter.

Key Claims

  • Steph Guida recently acquired a Sea Witch pinball machine as her first owned game

    high confidence · Steph directly states 'Yep, I have a squee-witch' (Sea Witch) in response to Ron and Bruce's questions

  • Sea Witch has a 'belly drain' issue caused by drop target springs that pop up too strongly, causing the ball to airball or get stuck on side plastics

    high confidence · Steph describes the specific mechanical problem in detail; Bruce and Ron discuss potential fixes including spring replacement and target upgrades

  • The Sea Witch has mismatched drop targets—some are not original Stern targets but narrower replacements with larger gaps, contributing to the mechanical issues

    high confidence · Steph states 'They're much narrower. I don't think they're not even CERN targets' and describes them as a '3D grin'; Ron suggests original Stern targets would solve the problem

  • Original Stern drop targets can be purchased for approximately $4.95 each from Marco (parts supplier), or $49 for a full set of 11

    high confidence · Ron provides specific pricing: 'You can get it for $16, $20' for three targets, and mentions Marco as the supplier

  • Bruce is setting up the Silver Ball Saloon bar venue with 11 games currently installed, targeting 6-7 more games, aiming to open in approximately three weeks (early December)

    high confidence · Bruce states 'We have 11 games set up so far' and 'Hopefully in three weeks we'll be opening up. That's the goal. Three weeks.'

  • Bruce recently installed a color DMD in Dirty Harry pinball machine

    high confidence · Ron states 'Yeah, I just installed the color DMD in the Dirty Harry. It was pretty easy. Looked very nice.'

  • Ron is selling a Star Trek Limited Edition pinball machine via Pinside but has received only three inquiries (from California and Florida), none willing to pay for shipping

    high confidence · Ron says 'I got three hits on it so far, but they're all, like, two guys in California and one in Florida' and 'I said no shipping'

Notable Quotes

  • “If you say cheetah, I kill you. No, no. Go on and look. Not that cheetah isn't a great game. Cheetah is a wonderful game.”

    Steph Guida @ ~8:30 — Running joke about Steph's game collection preferences; shows inside humor within the community

  • “The infamous belly drain has stopped happening from what I understand and from what I saw when I went to go play her last.”

    Steph Guida @ ~10:15 — Introduces the Sea Witch's specific mechanical issue that becomes the focal point of the episode's repair discussion

  • “I have a permanent stool at the bar? Yes, upside down. Ron's stool?”

    Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale @ ~50:00 — Humorous banter about Ron's frequent presence at the bar; reflects the tight-knit nature of the local pinball community

  • “The Silver Ball Saloon, when it goes gold, you'll have that. I believe in you.”

    Steph Guida @ ~57:00 — Community support for Bruce's venue opening; shows collaborative spirit within the pinball operator ecosystem

  • “Adam Becker had 12 points at the end. I hung with him on Iron Man, but Game of Thrones, he had handed a king. He got 1.6 billion. I only had 550 million. He crushed.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ ~65:00 — Tournament recap showing competitive depth and skill differences; Game of Thrones performance indicates strong player skill ceiling

  • “You don't want to work on a Flash drop target, Mac. You don't want to do that... apparently they don't like to stay up. They're the horrible horseshoe targets that no one likes.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~30:00 — Technical knowledge about machine-era differences; 'horseshoe targets' are widely disliked in the community

  • “When I was working on my cheetah... Not cheetah. I said it again. Big game. One day. One day.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~35:00 — Humorous recurring joke indicating Ron's strong opinions about certain games

  • “I have nine games still downstairs. Only nine? Fail... compared to what he had before, Joe. Exactly. It was 35 before.”

Entities

Steph GuidapersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonAdam BeckerpersonZach SharpepersonJeff TeolispersonNick LanepersonTim Ballsperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_concern: Sea Witch pinball machine experiencing significant mechanical issues with drop target assembly—incorrect replacement targets causing misalignment, excessive spring force creating airballs, and ball getting stuck on side plastics (belly drain problem)

    high · Steph details: 'the inner ones seem to pop up a little too strongly, making the ball airball' and describes belly drain occurring when 'it gets stuck roughly on her belly' requiring cabinet opening to resolve

  • ?

    product_concern: Sea Witch has intermittent display board issue where Player 3 display haze in and out, requires physical manipulation (knocking backbox) to clear; likely cold solder joint requiring reflow

    high · Steph reports 'The player three display board still haze in and out. You have to do the Ponzi thing and, like, knock on the back box to get it to clear up'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Bruce Nightingale's Silver Ball Saloon bar venue in advanced setup phase with 11 games installed, targeting 6-7 additional machines, full infrastructure (security cameras with night vision, jukebox, dart machine, pool table) in place, ambitious three-week opening target (early December)

    high · Bruce states: 'We have 11 games set up so far... Hopefully have six more, seven more. Todd's coming tomorrow bringing the pool table, dart machine, jukebox... Hopefully in three weeks we'll be opening up'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Fall Brawl tournament (4.5-hour match play format) won decisively by Adam Becker from Canada; Bruce Nightingale finished second with 12 points, Nick Lane third, Jeff Teolis fourth; demonstrates strong regional competitive play with skilled players from NY/Canada

    high · Bruce reports: 'Adam Becker had 12 points at the end' and won with dominant Game of Thrones performance (1.6B), Walking Dead (241M); describes competitive structure and finals bracket

Transcript

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0:00
This music sucks! Yeah. I wonder when that bride chick's gonna get here. Whoa! Come to butthead. I heard she's all dressed in white cause like, she's never done it before. Oh yeah. So like, shouldn't we be wearing white too?
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. See, old people can still play pinball.
0:55
Yeah, we'll talk about that. You're still old. And welcome to episode 69, Rocky 3. Pain. I'm going to bust you up. Go for it. Hey woman, hey woman, you want to come to my apartment?
1:13
Well no, he says like you want to be a real man or something like that. You want to be a real man? You want to come to my apartment? I'll take it. Clubberlang, Mr. T, the immortal Mr. T, one of the greatest roles ever. Thunderlifts, the ultimate male. Hulk Hogan. The classic Survivor song, Eye of the Tiger. Apollo Creed. You got everything. It is the best Rocky movie. Really? You're saying this is the... How can you say that when they smash a pinball machine? Did you ever see that pinball machine? Actually, it was a Force 2 with a Rocky back glass in it, so really no loss. I like Force 2.
1:52
Okay, no loss. I like Rocky. The paragon next to it was unscathed. Yes. So we're always right with the world. Always good in the world. But we have a guest. We're not alone this week. Yes. We welcome our second appearance. Welcome Steph Guida to the podcast, The Pinball Princess. Welcome. Hi, guys. What's been going on with you since the last time we've talked? Oh, not much. You know, just not winning a lot of tournaments. And, you know, playing some pinball, casually just made or made out of gotten a sea witch. I mean, what? Oh, wait, wait, what? You got a sea witch.

Adam Becker won the Fall Brawl tournament with dominant play, scoring 1.6 billion on Game of Thrones and 241 million on Walking Dead in the finals

high confidence · Bruce provides tournament details: 'Game of Thrones, he had handed a king. He got 1.6 billion' and walking dead scores

  • Fall Brawl was a 4.5-hour match play tournament with finals, run by Buffalo Pinball, featuring players from New York, Canada, and other regions

    high confidence · Bruce describes Fall Brawl as 'Four and a half hours of match play with finals afterwards' and lists participants

  • A 'Slam Crew vs Bro-Do-You-Even-Pinball' challenge match is planned at the Silver Ball Saloon, with the opposing team choosing games that Slam Tilt crew dislike (including System 3 era Gottliebs)

    high confidence · Bruce explains the planned challenge: 'the slam crew against the bro-do-you-even pinball crew' with 'their rules' involving 'split flipper' and difficult games

    • Bruce Nightingale and others @ ~58:00 — Reflects the scale of Bruce's game collection downsizing; shows how many games local collectors/operators maintain

    Sea Witch
    game
    Indiana Jonesgame
    Dirty Harrygame
    Star Trek (Limited Edition)game
    Game of Thronesgame
    Monopoly (Platinum Edition)game
    Stargazergame
    Silver Ball Saloonvenue
    Fall Brawlevent
    Slam Tilt Podcastorganization
    Buffalo Pinballorganization
    Pinball Profileorganization
    Marco (parts supplier)company
    Pinball Lifecompany
  • $

    market_signal: Ron Hallett attempting to sell Star Trek LE pinball via Pinside experiencing buyer geography friction—received three inquiries from California and Florida, all from buyers unwilling to pay shipping; seeking Northeast buyer to avoid logistics costs

    high · Ron states: 'I got three hits on it so far, but they're all, like, two guys in California and one in Florida. Did I get money? I said no shipping... Someone in the Northeast, please, please take it off my hands'

  • ?

    community_signal: Strong evidence of collaborative repair and maintenance culture in local pinball community—multiple instances of community members assisting with soldering, machine setup, and troubleshooting at group events; Ron offering to bring soldering equipment to tournament

    high · Steph describes coil repair: 'That first night when the coil died and Ron showed up, like, right as we were going, oh, crap... we had what, like three different people trying to solder?... group effort. At least it is down here in Orange County'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Color DMD upgrades for classic pinball machines (Stern Dirty Harry) now available and easy to install; represents modernization trend in game restoration

    medium · Ron states about Dirty Harry color DMD: 'Yeah, I just installed the color DMD... It was pretty easy. Looked very nice'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Detailed discussion of pinball parts sourcing strategies including drop target replacement (original Stern vs aftermarket), flipper mechanics ordering from Pinball Life, socket replacement techniques, and supplier pricing (Marco for targets at $4.95-$49)

    high · Comprehensive parts discussion: drop targets $4.95-$49 from Marco, flipper mechs from Pinball Life, socket replacement techniques discussed in detail

  • ?

    venue_signal: Bruce Nightingale replacing Stargazer with Monopoly (Platinum Edition, 1 of 40) at bar venue based on operator feedback about newer/recognizable IP driving casual play; indicates operator prioritize casual appeal over rarity for route locations

    high · Bruce: 'What's more noticeable to a new player? A Monopoly or a Stargazer? They're going to look at, you know, the pretty back glass and everything. Oh, I know Monopoly... talked to ops who do the Buffalo Pinball, Jamie... he says that's one of their best games is Monopoly'

  • ?

    community_signal: Slam Tilt crew planning competitive challenge match (Slam Crew vs Bro-Do-You-Even-Pinball crew) at Silver Ball Saloon venue with opposing team selecting games; indicates strong tournament/competitive culture integration into bar venue operations

    high · Bruce describes: 'the slam crew against the bro-do-you-even pinball crew... they're going to have you play all those things you hate... split flipper... System 3 challenge... play Mario Andretti for an hour straight'

    • 2:32
    Yep, I have a squee-witch. Squee-witch. You now own one pinball machine. Yes. Now we have to do the Lay's mentality thing. You can't own more, you know, can't just have one. Oh, I know. So, what is next? Well, first of all, the hypothetical space that I have to get for Sea Witch is going to naturally need to have hypothetical space for a second pinball machine, even if that means that my bed is just a mattress underneath two pinball machines. Perfect. Keep it going. I mean, that's feasible, right? Yeah, perfectly. Logical and rational? Hammock underneath each leg. Shit. See? See? Yeah. So what would be number two?
    3:19
    The Mr. to the Mrs. In a perfect world? In a perfect world. Um. If you say cheetah, I kill you. No, no. Go on and look.
    3:31
    Not that cheetah isn't a great game. Cheetah is a wonderful game. I don't think any of us disagree on that. No, we do not. but I would probably want to get not another old stern again, not because old sterns aren't great. They are, and I would love a stars, but I should probably have something to diversify my portfolio before I start going for my 20 game collection. Okay. So let's see if Ron can guess maybe the game and I'll try to guess one before you actually tell us. Okay. I actually have a top three. Okay. So if we get one of the top three, you'll tell us, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. Ron, would you like to take a hazard a guess? Sure.
    4:15
    Spectrum. Nope, she said not old. Except that that is one of, like, it would be one that's not old. It's 82.
    4:28
    Spectrum is a contender, but if we're talking perfect world, money is no object, there is one that I would get first. Monster Bash. Yeah. As I know. Or a Metallica. Oh, even better.
    4:43
    Or both. Or all three. Nice. Give us a problem. Nice. It's just like, which one do you want? The answer is yes. Yes.
    4:54
    But you didn't tell us the answer. No, it's just yes. Just bring them all. Yeah. Which pinball machine do you want?
    5:00
    All of them? I think that's a visual answer, right? That's a perfect answer. Perfect. answer. So how's the sea witch been treating you? She's been good. She's been good. The infamous belly drain has stopped happening from what I understand and from what I saw when I went to go play her last. Belly drain? Okay, belly drain. My sea witch has a peculiarity with the middle drop target bank, wherein the third drop target from the left or the second drop target from the left, the inner ones seem to pop up a little too strongly, making the ball airball, which is weird when the glass is off. Bruce, I think when you had Zach playtest the game, it airballed off, and that was when the video you sent me ended. Okay. When the glass is on, it gets stuck on the side plastic, which has a full-figured sea witch, and it gets stuck roughly on her belly. And to get the ball out, you have to open up the game, take off the lockdown bar, and slowly roll down the glass and kind of hope that the ball angles itself to go down the in lane instead of the out lane, which is like a 75% chance that that's not going to happen. I have an idea. This came to me. Shoot. If it comes back, swap the springs between two and three and one and four for the drop target springs. Okay. That actually brings up another question. I mentioned I have some newbie questions. Knock your socks off to the masters of CERN. Well, wait a minute. I have an idea. Yeah?
    6:43
    Install the right targets. I think they are the original. No, they're not. They're not? No. Okay. They're much narrower.
    6:53
    I don't think they're not even CERN targets. I don't know what targets they are. but there's major spaces in between each target. I like the other two bags, which are original stern targets. So it's like a 3D grin? Yes, that's exactly what it looks like. And honestly, that's what I think is causing most of the issues. If you just had regular stern targets in there, I would almost guarantee a lot of this weirdness would just go away. But the problem is trying to find stern targets. The originals, yes. Aren't there 3D printers? Hold on, I want you. No? You didn't go mute. You were there.
    7:30
    Okay, he just went mute. We've lost Ruth. My speaker went mute, and then I went mute. Oh. Wow. I know it's a dream for some people. The impossible has happened. Someone has muted Bruce. I know. It is impossible. So, you can get new ones. Yeah, I know. The only problem is the... They're not the same. They're not... Yeah. What is it? They're a little shorter. When they're in the down position, they're not flush with the play field, so you might need a little shim to get them up a little higher. And they tend to brick more, which I'd be kind of concerned with those ones in the direct front because they're probably going to brick. They're probably most likely to brick targets. I can scrounge around to see what I have. I mean, I have extra targets. They're not like the S, you know, Seaberg targets. They're like stars and stuff. We can get her a set for $49 from Marco. Holy crap. But it's all 11. Yeah, you don't need all 11. No, you don't need all 11. No. You should get a single one for $4.95, so three would be, or is it four? So you can get it for $16, $20. There you go. Nice. Well, it's just that for someone who has a Sea Witch, I have no idea how drop target assemblies work. They're very easy on those. Really? They're actually easier to bally. It was very intimidating from over here. They're easier than Bally's. Easier than Williams? In that era? Yes. Yeah, because I've seen a Flash do some really weird things. You don't want to work on a Flash drop target, Mac. You don't want to do that. Yeah, because apparently they don't like to stay up. They're the horrible horseshoe targets that no one likes. You don't want to have to deal with those. Honestly, the bally, the stern targets are much easier to deal with. Is the horseshoe like the mechanism underneath? The horseshoe is the actual switch, the contacts that the target slides against. They're little mini circuit boards. If you take it off and you look at it, the switch looks like a horseshoe.
    9:37
    So they call it the horseshoe target. So it's actually not the – it's kind of a misnomer. It's not the target that's the horseshoe. It's the switch that's the horseshoe. Okay. I think I see this. I consulted Google because... You can ask Zach, too. I'm sure he hates them also. I don't know anyone who likes them.
    9:56
    I don't think there's anybody either. I have to agree with you on that one. Yeah, I've never heard anyone say, like, you know, they should really bring those horseshoe targets back. Yeah, no. I've never heard that. And even Williams abandoned them with Black Knight and went to a more regular style target. You got the power. You got the might. That's the sequel to the Black Knight.
    10:20
    Yikes. So what other questions do you have, Steph? The player three display board still haze in and out. You have to do the Ponzi thing and, like, knock on the back box to get it to clear up. Turn it off. Yeah. And first you let the reflow to solder, or second, reconnect the connector, move it up and down. Sometimes the bad connectors. What's less scary to do?
    10:48
    The connector, probably. But it's almost certainly going to be a re-solder job, I'm guessing. Luckily, Ron is going down Saturday to the pinball tournament. He'll just bring his soldering iron and come fix that for you.
    11:01
    That's right. By the way, this is the repair section. We're just going to do that now. We're just going to jump right into repairs. So, you know, I should bring my bally flipper down there and remind Mr. Keeler that he said I could have that stern flipper that's in the kiss. Oh, that's right. It's like one stern flipper and one Williams flipper or something weird like that. Instead of two bally flippers is what it should be. Which explains everything about that kiss, actually. Yikes. So, doinks. Doinks. So, yeah, if it's like hazing in and out, it's just, again, it's reflowing the solder. It's an easy operation if you have the tools. And luckily, Ron has the tools. Oh, I have the tools. I'm going to bring my solder iron with me. That's easy to bring down. It's solder and solder drying, two minutes. Two minutes? I'm not going down there. I have to work at the bar. You always have to work at the bar. I got my first day off this week, though, so. Yay! So what other repairs do you have for us, Steph?
    12:07
    Well, see, the thing is, I'm not experienced enough to say, oh, I fixed this. It's, oh, I noticed this. How do I even deal with this?
    12:15
    I think I might have to check or deal with one of the sockets in the Riptide. Number two, if you're going clockwise, doesn't seem to light up. Number one seems intermittent, but number two seems to always be off. Yes, that happens. That's the old sterns for you. And old valleys.
    12:35
    Would I have to get a new socket? Yeah, they're cheap. I can even give you some. But the problem is... It's more soldering, isn't it? Soldering. Yeah. But I have cheats.
    12:45
    You can solder the wire right to the back of it. You can do other things. No, I have other cheats. What's your other cheats? Well, when I was working on my cheetah... Not cheetah. I said it again. Big game. One day. When I was working on the big game and had to replace a bunch of sockets, I removed the old sockets. When I put the new sockets in, what you've got to do is the part that the ground solders to, you've got to file the thing down to rough it up so the solder will stick. Otherwise, it doesn't. And I had a hell of a time getting that to work. So I found a cheating method that worked great on my Harlem, where you just kind of break off the sockets. You can just bend them back and forth, and they break off, and you can leave the tab part that the ground is actually soldered to, and then you just put the new socket right underneath it, and you only have to solder the wire onto the tab, and it works beautifully. That sounds like it could backfire horribly, though. No, how does it backfire horribly? Remember, I asked this on the show before. Tell me, how does this backfire horribly? It doesn't look right. Okay. What do you think, Steph? Do you think that's a bad backfire? There's no way that it doesn't. No, I just see, like, something from the old socket connecting where it shouldn't, and all of a sudden your brand-new pretty socket just goes. No, if you saw what I was talking about, you'd be like. No, it makes sense. Oh, yeah, yeah. It even makes it easier, like, if your new socket goes bad or something, which wouldn't happen, it'd be easier to replace.
    14:24
    No, the thing is... See, this is where I need the play field right in front of me. I just need my switch right next to me so I can stare at it and know it inside and out and know exactly what the hell you're talking about. You can always pull it out of the game and take it home with you. Oh, God. What you could do is actually... What you do with the new socket is sand down where you're going to solder your ground wire with a heavy grit sandpaper. So when you solder onto your new socket, the grit, you know, the grooves you're putting into it, the rough surface will solder easier.
    14:57
    So what other repairs do you have, Steph? I mean, do you want me to go from the repairs from since day one? No, no, no. I'm going to just go over what you still need to go. So we're trying to get you to hit. As far as I know, that's all that's really gone with it. Not Ron Bestwood. No more coils have seized. That's a good thing. Yeah, because I don't have another one. In fact, my dad was like, what do you want for your birthday? And I'm like, a coil.
    15:30
    A parts order? Can I have a parts order for my birthday? Can I have some backup coils that I never have to worry about that again? Give certificate to Marco, please. Stat.
    15:41
    Well, it's more realistic than a pinball machine. I like that one better. Well, me too, but in terms of feasibility, that's a little... I like that. A part's like a coupon. Yep, see? I like that idea.
    15:56
    A $50 gift certificate to Marco. You're a mythic. Let's be told, I haven't done any soldering on my own game yet. There you go, Ron. People have been helping me out. Yeah, that first night when the coil died and Ron showed up, like, right as we were going, oh, crap, oh, crap, oh, crap, what do we do?
    16:15
    That was pretty fortuitous. And then we had, what, like three different people trying to solder? As is normal for a pinball league night, just have five guys crowded around the game, one guy with a flashlight, you know, one guy directing, one guy soldering, the other guy ready to grab the soldering gun if the first guy drops it for some reason. I don't know. Seems to be a group effort.
    16:39
    At least it is down here in Orange County. Well, seriously, are you going to be there? If you want to grab the Display 3, we can at least restart it with pins on it, see if it helps. Grab? What, like pull it out? The way it works, this is easy. The Discord display, when you open up the insert panel, there's one connector on there. Take the connector off, and then you can actually slide the entire thing out from the front. It will slide out. Easily removable.
    17:09
    I mean, what time is the fall open starting? It's noon, isn't it? I haven't looked at the time. Okay, let's see. Oh, it's actually starting late at 1.30 p.m. Oh, you've got plenty of time, then. That's probably because Greg's running it, so it's got to be later. Yeah, well, it's actually smart. He's accounting for travel time. Yeah, so it'll actually start at like 2.30 probably.
    17:34
    Oh, God. I can't even, I'm not even sure if I can rebut that. You said but. On episode 69. Oh, my. Which, by the way, during the intro, it was all I could do not to burst out laughing.
    17:54
    And giggling about episode 69, lol, for like the last three years. Well, don't forget, what did you put on your poster when you sent up the back glass?
    18:05
    Of course I put 69 credits. See? Oh, but if you want to, just PM me if you're going to bring it. I'll see if I can visit her first. Ah, yes. Contingent on a couple of things, like cars.
    18:20
    Yeah, that's a thing. But, yeah, I'll let you know on Saturday. Just let me know. So, Ron, repairs for you. Yeah, I just installed the color DMD in the Dirty Harry. It was pretty easy. Looked very nice. Looked good.
    18:35
    Then I streamed it and really sucked playing it. Yes, you did. Yeah, I was. Thank you. Yeah, sorry. I didn't see, my Twitch notification never went off, so I never realized that you went off. Thank you! Thank you! Okay, it works for Tim. Yeah, well, I think Tim's whacked. I mean, that's nothing to do with me. You follow a channel and you set up notifications for yourself. I set it up, it's looking up right now. I don't do anything. And my notifications were set up for you. I checked yesterday. So Twitch had borked. I don't know why it did, but it did. I think it's because of the whole Twitch beta crap that they're testing. I had an issue with one of the streams because of that, where I couldn't edit the title, because it put me in beta mode, and it wouldn't let me edit the title. And I found out later I had to choose the non-beta mode. But it just put me in beta mode. It never asked me. Well, we'll see, because it's Monday night, so Tim Balls will hypothetically start streaming. I get everyone else's. I get Melbourne. I get Buffalo. Sorry, I don't know what to tell you. They're just notifications, dude. Fail. I have nothing to do with that. Fail. Somehow I'm failing, even though it's not on my end. It's fail, not your fail, Ron. No, it's fail. I always fail him. Yes, you always fail me.
    19:57
    Speaking of fail, how are your repairs going? Oh, my God. Last week we re-rubbered Indiana Jones. We took out all the ramps. We actually took out the side playfield.
    20:12
    Wait, what's the side playfield? You mean the Path of Adventure? Yes, Path of Adventure. I've never heard it called a side playfield. Another Bruce-ism. No, where is it? It's the upper playfield. It's a mini playfield. So, is it on the side?
    20:28
    Okay. So, in Pirates of the Caribbean, is the rocking playfield also a side playfield? Yes, it is. There's two playfields. so in like Wizard of Oz they have two side playfields by your left side playfield and right side playfield I'm just getting the terminology of the Bruce Lee and now you're learning finally so now the path of adventure only moves one way smoothly and one way jerks so what I did is I proved that it wasn't the actual playfield it's the optos on the flippers on the cabinet switch I switched them from left to right, and now it doesn't move the other way smoothly because it uses the second opto. So I have them on order. And then we got Stargazer at the building, and my Stargazer flippers are, like, weaker than hell. And they're original, so I have to rebuild them. So I bought the whole new mechs from Pinball Life, but I'm pulling out Stargazer because my playfield is coming in eventually. Your play field is coming in eventually. Okay. Yep. When is eventually? Tomorrow? No, hopefully by the end of the month. Okay. So you're getting a new play field. I'm going to make John Greatrich once. So your Stargazer will be more awesome than mine. Yes, because I'm going to advance clear it, too. You have to outdo me for everything. I hate you. Wait until I get that cheat. I don't know, really fucking out, couldn't you? Yeah, you didn't even want to cheat, and now you want to cheat. That's just kind of cruel, man. So I played it at Pinberg, and I said, boy, Ron is right.
    22:04
    You know what it is? Bruce wants an excuse for Ron to come up to the bar. He wants to see you more. I have a permanent stool at the bar? Yes, upside down. Ron's stool? Oh, okay.
    22:18
    And then, so in place of Stargazer, I'm pulling out Old Reliable. I'm bringing in Monopoly. Oh, okay. That's reliable? Well, the reason, it is reliable. It's a very reliable game. It's a reliable game. But the thing is, that's a platinum edition, Bruce. It is. It's only one of 40. But the way I look at it is I have to look at what people are going to play when they come to the bar. And what's more noticeable to a new player? A Monopoly or a Stargazer?
    22:52
    They're going to look at, you know, the pretty back glass and everything. Oh, I know Monopoly. And they're going to want to play it. And I was actually talking to one of the ops who does the Buffalo Pinball, Jamie, with Nick and everything, and he says that's one of their best games is Monopoly.
    23:07
    All right. Really? Interesting. Who's calling? I don't know. Joe's Pizza. Sea Witch Repair Service. So, yes, so that is my fun stuff. But your color DMD looks very nice, Mr. Ron, and I assumed you were very, very happy with it. Yeah, they made it for a good game. Finally, instead of these stupid Twilight Zones and all these lesser games, they finally make a color DMD for a great game like Dirty Harry. It's about time. They did. That they did. And I saw you posted your Star Trek LE on Pinside. Yeah. It's not quite going as planned, unfortunately. Like, what's going on? Talk to me, Goose. Talk to me. Well, I got three hits on it so far, but they're all, like, two guys in California and one in Florida.
    23:54
    Did I get money? I said no shipping. I don't even want to deal with it. Do they have a car? Exactly. Someone in the Northeast, please, please take it off my hands.
    24:06
    The furthest I've gone for a game is North Carolina. Would you go to California for a game? Me? No. What if it was a cheetah in, like, mint condition? No. Really? No, no, no. No, no. But if it was a, let's say, original Big Bang Bar or... Say the guy was going to sell the Kingpin. Okay, the Kingpin, the Capcom Kingpin. Yep, I would go out there in a second.
    24:33
    I actually told Ron when he was going to get hit, when he had his game shipped, the Dragon Fist from Arizona, what did I say, Ron? Fly out together and we'll rent the van and drive it out back. Oh, my God, the Slam Tilt Road Trip. That would have been epic. Wait, yeah, he just said road trip. Road trip, let's go. Count me in. See? We had three people driving. The slam through in their quest to obtain Dragon Fist with the decomposing cabinet. The quest for Fist. Oy. Oh, boy. Oh, my.
    25:07
    Are we allowed to say that anymore? I am. I don't know. It's looking pretty bad for Mr. Tichai. Oh, it's not. No, it's not. It's not looking. It isn't until proven guilty. Not what everyone else thinks in this world where it's guilty until proven innocent. Well, it is that in England. I know it is, but this is not England. Oh, my. Bye. So, back to the bar.
    25:32
    Games are in. We have 11 games set up so far. Nice. Hopefully have six more, seven more. Todd's coming tomorrow bringing the pool table, dart machine, jukebox, change machine.
    25:48
    And he's bringing two games. a Piewitz, and he's bringing a GoldenEye, which I'm actually excited about. I like GoldenEye. The one with the satellite? Yep. Oh, that game. That game. I like GoldenEye, too. That almost lost me the Slam Cell Challenge, that freaking game. You guys knew I didn't know that. I know, I loved it.
    26:13
    Luckily, Zach was there, and he told me to do it. He was there for you, I see. And then, what else happened at the bar.
    26:21
    Hopefully in three weeks we'll be opening up. That's the goal. Three weeks. That's scary. First week of December? It's scary. Very scary. Very, very scary. But Ron and, oh, I have to give a big shout out to Zach for first helping me re-rubber IJ. And he's going to come over this week and help me out with Monopoly re-rubbering. Oh my. There's a lot of re-rubbering going on. man.
    26:50
    Yes, I am. See? Protection is key. And then we're also going to move some games around. And also Jason Plourin and Eric Russell both helped out big time with the pain in the ass bowl bowler. The bowl bowler is now at the bar.
    27:08
    And oh my god, that fucking thing is heavy. Where are we going to put our coats? We're near your house now. What's going on? I have plenty of room downstairs now. Oh, okay. That's right. You don't have games anymore. I have nine games still downstairs.
    27:21
    Only nine? Fail. What do you mean only nine? I mean compared to what he had before, Joe. Exactly. It was 35 before. Yeah, you were ridiculous before though. You realize he's going to end up having 35 down there plus the 20-something at the bar, right? That would be a dream, but I don't know if that will happen. Let's just take it one day at a time. Yeah, one game at a time. The Silver Ball Saloon, when it goes gold, you'll have that. I believe in you. I hope so. That'd be nice.
    27:50
    Well, I want everyone to come on up and enjoy themselves and have a great time at the Silver Bowl Saloon. You know I drive up I know And I going to have actually as I said free game nights and other stuff going on I actually going to try to get a bowling league going Oh for the ball bowler I was there like, what? Bowling? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I got you. The kids league for the weekends and the adults league for weeknights. Plus, don't forget the challenge. Oh, of course. The challenge. The one that everyone has been waiting for.
    28:23
    They brought it up at the Fall Brawl where I was this weekend. Oh. So, and by the way, the challenge we're talking about is the slam crew against the bro-do-you-even pinball crew. The good thing is I'll have a little home advantage because you know my games and I know my games. A little home advantage there, but we have to go by their rules.
    28:44
    Which are going to have you play all those things you hate. Yes. Actually, okay, a split flipper. Because I never lost when we did team league.
    28:53
    Oh, I thought you meant Gottliebs. I thought it was like the System 3 challenge. Oh, that would be. That would be. Play Mario Andretti for an hour straight. Mario Andretti, and then you can go over to Barbed Wire. Then you can play some Starship. No, Starship Troopers. You can play some Hit the Pyramid, some Stargate. You can play some Teed Off. Hit the ball up that ramp there.
    29:20
    Wait, Tom, get in Starship. I have some rowdy ramp ramps. Oh, no. Rowdy Ramp Ramp. There was listeners by the thousands when you started seeing that on Twitter. Rowdy Ramp Ramp.
    29:38
    We got the cameras in for security. Cameras are all in now. So I can actually see everyone on video camera when we're recording.
    29:46
    I can actually look right now at the bar. Just log right in and actually look at the app. It's actually got, you know, dark, you know, night vision ones, too. So it's kind of cool. Very cool. But we were at Fall Brawl this weekend. Fall Brawl? What's that, Bruce? That was a tournament run by Buffalo Pinball. Four and a half hours of match play with finals afterwards.
    30:10
    Only four and a half hours? Not 24? 24. Oh, just weak. Weak, man. Come on. But we had some good players that came. Nick was there and Kevin. A couple other Buffalo guys. A couple of people from Rochester came out with Bob Merlo and his son.
    30:28
    We had Adam Becker came down from Canada with Jeff Teolis and a couple other Canadians, including Ken. Good time. The top two get a bye all the way to the finals.
    30:42
    So first place was Adam Becker. And then there was a three-way tie for second between myself, our own Jeff Teolis from Pinball Profile, and Nick Lane. and we had to play Monster Bash.
    30:57
    Sweet. And Nick was first, and he got 16 million. I came second with 14 million. Bad, bad game. And Chiolas came back and blew us both away and took the second free shot all the way. So then me and Nick got to drive the first round buses. I made it past the first round with eight points, and Gretchen came with me with eight points also, so we both crushed. and Nick went through on his round with... Zach was in a tiebreaker to try to make it in with Nick and did not. He lost. So Zach finished seventh. Fail. I played the next round and me and Nick moved on to the finals.
    31:40
    And then we got to play Adam and Jeff. Jeff took fourth. Nick took third. I took second and Adam was just el fuego. go. We played 4-2-1-0, three games.
    31:53
    Adam Becker had 12 points at the end. I hung with him on Iron Man, but Game of Thrones, he had handed a king. He got 1.6 billion. I only had 550 million. He crushed.
    32:09
    And then Walking Dead, he had 241 million. Jesus. Yeah. Jesus was on another level. But it was good. You know, good time. Made some money.
    32:22
    Played some good games. Jamie, Jamie who is doing the repairs for the games for the location there, excellent job. Cannot say enough. They were played excellent. So that was fall brawl for me. My first day off in three months.
    32:38
    And what did I decide? Besides going to drop you off your game and get the other game, Stephanie, that was my – actually, it was my second day off in three months. Wow.
    32:46
    I'm scratching off some stuff on the list. George Sakai, citizen until not proven guilty. Until not proven guilty. Wait a minute, that means he is guilty. I know. Bruce is.
    32:58
    Did you see the video me and Jeff posted? Oh, my God. That made my morning. Button mashing at its finest. Oh, my God. It's beautiful. So you guys have converted. Yes, of course, you know, because, you know, we heard it from everyone else that that's the way to play pinball now these days. Yep. So if you haven't seen the video, we have it on Pinball Profile's Facebook page, and also I shared it with Slam Tilt Podcast. And you see us both mashing away at the buttons. If you notice, my technique was pretty good with the track and field.
    33:34
    Yeah, I noticed that. So you're ready to destroy those tie fighters. Yeah, and unfortunately we were practicing on games that it doesn't matter.
    33:46
    Yeah. Yeah, Tim, he's going to be at the Outer Banks. OBX with Levy. And probably some other New York City guys, I would assume, are going to be there. At the famous Flippers.
    34:03
    Well, Tim will be trying to defend his title. Maybe win another pinball machine? Oh, I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember either. Because he won Demo Man last year and then sold it before he left. Yeah. And he caught the trophy that looks like the NBA Finals trophy with the big ball on it. That was nice. There is going to be a pinball machine for first place, according to the Facebook event. Cool. It does not specify what. You win a teed off.
    34:36
    Hey, I took a teed off. I like teed off. I know you would, G. I'm not this total system creator. I'm not a total system creator either. Yeah, you like one damn game. I actually like two. Okay. Operation Thunder.
    34:52
    You like Operation Thunder. Yeah. It was very linear. The shots are fun. And the timing, run out of fuel, game over thing. I love that. That is the best. No, no. Yes, yes, yes. Tell them he's wrong, Seth. Sorry, I was looking at the, what was it? Time to play. Time to play is bad. plays rocks. That means you have to actually hit your shots. Can I play like the two minute battles at Heads Up? No, like the game, if you run out of fuel, you crash and it's over. Like Beat the Clock? Yeah, something like Beat the Clock. You have to actually hit the lit shots. And when you hit the lit shots, your fuel goes up. If you don't hit the shot, your fuel goes down and you crash and burn. And when you crash and burn, your flippers die and then you're dead. It's good shot practice, but, I mean, in the tournament. It's perfect. Yeah. Perfect. Nope, not fun. Not fun. Nope. That kind of thing always failed on location, too. People don't like when the flippers just die. Oh, no, that would be awful on location. Are you kidding me? People hate that. Do you realize how many times they've tried that, Bruce?
    36:07
    James Bond, Times Play. Love it. Times played bombs horribly, so they made another ROM that was a regular three-ball play.
    36:17
    Love it. Yeah, pay 50 cents to have a 30-second ball. That is a terrible idea. This is a guy who likes Algar, so you've got to take anything he says with a grain of salt. Did you see the comment from somebody? Yeah, the one basically said he needs to unfriend you because you like Algar. I agree completely. No, because guess what? I love when people don't like games and I play against them. Oh, speaking of, guess what they had at the Fall Brawl?
    36:46
    Scorpion. My favorite game of all time. Scorpion? Ghostbusters. Okay. What do you think I did on Ghostbusters? You crushed because you're so great.
    36:59
    450 million. Is that good? That's pretty good. I got 80 ghosts. Did it have a center post mod? No. Oh. I routinely forget that not every Ghostbusters has that. Yeah, no. But I did not have that.
    37:15
    Pro or premium? Pro. Okay. Oh, well, that's much better. That's much better. At least you have real slings. That's exactly right. Yeah. Instead of hell slings. Yeah, what a great concept. When I heard that, it's like, you know, either it's going to be cool or it's really going to suck. And guess what? And it sucked. It really sucked. because you thought maybe they would, like, hold the ball like the ghost holding it or something, but it doesn't really do that. It just drains you. Yes. Let's fling it down the drain. No, let's fling it across and down the out lane. No, let's actually fling it backwards and down the out lane on this side. No, let's hold it so that you can just watch helplessly as it goes right out of reach. Freaking Magnus Lanes. bane of my existence, almost as bad as the scolary bricks. Oh, yes.
    38:09
    They suck also. The funny thing is, you have a game like Dialed In that has a ton of magnets, yet I never feel that pissed about it.
    38:19
    You know what I mean? They did it in the right way, as opposed to that way. I have one more bit of great news. Oh, okay. We'll get to the piece of news right after your bit of great news, which is what? ELO is coming to tour in the USA in 2018. Congratulations. I am so freaking stoked.
    38:41
    AVA will be opening for them, I think. Is that true? I hope so. God, I hope so. That would be freaking rocking. So tomorrow morning, I have to, like, try to sneak out of work and get on our Internet, which I'm going to come back probably home, and I'm going to try to buy my tickets with my American Express card for Garden and for Toronto.
    39:02
    Wonderful. See? Yes. And if you want to give me a gift, I will take yellow tickets. There's only 18 shows in the U.S. Do you want to go to all 18? Is that what you're getting at? I want to have a seat in, like, two or three. Like, I can go to Detroit, which is only five hours away. I can go to Toronto, which is only two and a half hours away. I can go to New York City, of course, which is six. I can go to Philly, which is seven. Detroit is only five hours away from you? Go through Canada.
    39:31
    Oh. That's the easiest way. See, that's so far north that it's... My brain doesn't even process that. Take off, eh? Take off!
    39:43
    Okay, the excitement of ELO, a game I'm sure we will never see in a pinball store. I know, it's even disappointing that Guardians of the Galaxy won't have that song in it either. Are we sure about that? We're sure about that? Yes, we are, because Guardian Galaxy is movie two. and the Guardian Galaxy is based off of movie? One. No, that's correct. That's correct. So, fail. They can use songs from both movies. Yeah. No, they won't. Okay. It'll be a mod. All the yellow fans will rebel and then they'll be like, fine, and then you'll get it. That'd be beautiful, man. I'm going to talk to Keeler. He's going to replace all the Kiss music with the yellow just for you. Oh, my God. Great. Oh, my God, yeah, on his new new kiss. Yeah, perfect. With its really bright and obnoxious kiss topper that, why? Why? And with two extra songs that are actually not kiss. One of them is Judas Priest, and one of them is something else. Yep, that's an improvement.
    40:55
    So, are we going for a piece of news? It's time for a piece of news. Speaking of Guardians of the Galaxy.
    41:00
    I actually saw, I didn't really look at the play field picks before. I know, failure on me. Fail. But when I looked at them, it's Iron Man. No shit. It's Iron Metallica. Yeah, it's Iron Man, but with instead of, it's Iron Man combined with Metallica. Instead of Sparky, you have Groot. Yep. It's got the egg is in the same place as Whiplash. Yep. The rocket raccoon shot is in the same place as War Machine. What are you getting in there, aren't you? Yeah, it's got the scoops on the bottom are the same as Metallica. Yep, mystery. Yeah, mystery and everything. I mean, come on, man. I mean, Jesus.
    41:42
    Yes. Well, it has shot multipliers, so it's different, right? I mean, at least Steve Ritchie, I mean, he just uses the same elements over and over. But, you know, like, oh, there's the loop thing from No Fear. There's the five drop target or the five target bank he likes to use. Okay, he's got it on this game. Okay, he does this. I mean, he reuses different features. But, man, the last two board games, it's like Aerosmith is Kiss.
    42:09
    I mean, literally is Kiss. Let's say the play is the same, but if you look at the play field, it's like this is Kiss. And then this is, yeah, it's Iron Man and Metallica. I'm right with you. You're talking to the one who brought it up, too. Well, a lot of people brought it up, but, yeah. I know. I mean, there's only so many elements that you can have in a pinball machine, so it would have to be a remix of each and everything. Fail. I'm just, like, desperately clinging to optimism that it's going to be good. Fail, fail. But think of all your other, you know, think of all your old Stern games. None of them look alike. Nope. You know, they're all totally different. Like, Cheetah doesn't look anything like Big Game. Stars doesn't look anything like Sea Witch.
    42:55
    Yeah. Free Fall doesn't look anything like anything. Right? That's the name of the game? Free Fall, yes, you're exactly right with that name, yes.
    43:06
    That was a weird game. It's a very weird game. I mean, Dragon Fist is kind of sea witchy, but not really. Stargazer is... Stargazer. Spinners everywhere. Three spinners, goodness. Cosmic Princess is something that I need to play. Yeah, that's rare. it's hard there's only a couple in the US yeah you have to go to a show to play that yeah then Nine Balls totally unique yes it is I mean so the whole argument that well you know there's really there's only so many things you can do in a play field like well bullshit cause look at Pirates of the Caribbean the new one oh he changed it up he really did change it up yeah it definitely is different mhm sure is a lot of stuff on it Oh, yeah. Yeah, it probably weighs 500 pounds. Oh, yeah. It definitely weighs at least 350.
    44:02
    Oh, yeah. Okay, why are you in this sweet slope? How much did Sea Witch weigh again? Sea Witch? That thing is probably, what would you say, verse 250? What? Maybe. Sea Witch. For what? The weight. Oh, 250, 230. Yeah. 130's a little lighter. Yeah, because they're cheaper. Cheaper wood. Even then, they were cost-cutting. Yes, they were. Even then, they're a little on the cheaper side than the other manufacturers.
    44:28
    Okay. That's a good context to have. That makes the Jersey Jack very, very heavy. Yeah, Jersey Jack is, yeah, the opposite. It's like all heavy-duty crap, extremely heavy.
    44:41
    So that's, yeah, Guardians of the Galaxy, there will be songs. Two. Pop songs. Two pop songs. Pop, pop. And I don't know if it's going to be two. People are saying that. We don't know yet either. We won't know until probably tomorrow or the next day. I hope Come and Get Your Love is on there. Come and get your love. Nope, I want Cherry Bomb.
    45:02
    I want Cherry Bomb. Yeah, and it will be streamed on Monday? I think it's the 20th. Yes, Monday. The 20th, the deadflip stream from the factory. We don't know if it's going to be a premium or a pro yet. Hopefully the one will be there. The one will just walk by, oh, you need me to play a game? Yeah, if I can do that.
    45:23
    Yeah, let me just casually get the grandest champion of grand champions. And show all the bugs with the code immediately live on stream. I'm sure they'll love that. Crap. Oh, shit. Yeah. I think the most fun stream they had was the Aerosmith one. They were definitely having a ball playing that game. Out of all of them that they've done so far, that one looked like, oh, wow, that looks fun. I wish I was there. Aerosmith looks fun.
    45:48
    Let's see. We have Houdini updates. Yes. I'm getting all this, by the way, from, thisweekinpinball.com. That's thisweekinpinball.com, the source for all your pinball news. Yes. Especially on Mondays when we're recording. It's perfect timing. It is perfect timing. So let's see.
    46:06
    Houdini. They're building. Building. They're hoping for the first week in December, second week in December. I've heard. So have you played Houdini, Steph? Did you get a chance to play it in Allentown at all? Mm-hmm. What do you think? I remember the shots were really tight, so it was kind of like difficult to get things going. I remember watching Eric Russell, one of the three, play it ahead of me. He started a multi-ball wherein the flippers reversed. He forgot this and trapped up two balls on one flipper, one on the other. They went reverse, and there's a glitch in the code at that time where if all three drained like that, you were done. Bye-bye. Okay. So he just, like, super failed right in front of me, and he was just like, what? We were all just like, what? Super fail. To be fair, it was the game, not him, but that's my memory of Houdini, is it just, like, triple draining Eric out of the blue. Ouch. It doesn't have, like, a feature where you can do reverse flippers, but then you can do, like, reverse and inverted or something like that? Yes. Yeah. Probably. Something like that. It gives you some choice, which, like, what does that even mean?
    47:26
    It's confuse everyone. Yeah. I think it's the button. If you hold the button in, it actually releases the flipper, and then when you let go of the button, the flipper flips.
    47:35
    Yeah. In addition to having to cross your arms. So very confusing. Screw it. Hit all the buttons. Yep.
    47:43
    Ooh, pretty button. and how do I flip ball? Did you know there's a major pinball announcement coming from New York City?
    47:50
    Nope, never heard of it. What's that, New York City place? No, no, no, sorry. In this podcast, we only talk about above the Mason-Dixon line of New York State. Boy.
    48:03
    Well, you know, I got this email from a Never Beef. Never Beef Productions? Yeah, it actually says from Never Beef in my email client. It wasn't your spam? So, yeah, I pretty much thought it was spam because, I mean, what would be called Never Beef? I know who exactly it would be. I just, guys, I really want the tournament to succeed. You need to change that name. It sounds ridiculous. I know it means something to you guys. Well, for those out there, the New York City guys like to use the term beef for things like, say you brick a shot, you beef a shot, or you totally choke in a game. Like, oh, I totally beefed that game. I beefed that game. Yeah, it's like if you miss a rampant drain, that's beefing hard. Yep, you beef hard. So they decided they're going to be doing a tournament in New York City, and they have a date for it. Let's see. I'm reading this off the email. from on May 18th through the 20th at the Skyline Hotel in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan.
    49:11
    And it will be at the ninth floor penthouse ballroom. So you get to see the Midtown Manhattan Skyline while you're playing, which would be cool. While you're beefing. While you're beefing, yes. Never Beef Productions. Now, I showed this to a buddy of mine at work who plays something ball, and they saw the Never Beef Productions, and they legitimately asked me if it was some kind of, like, vegan-only tournament.
    49:39
    Yikes. I'm not kidding. They might really want to consider possibly changing that. So you're saying they beefed the name by choosing Never Beef? Yes.
    49:48
    Yeah, and it does, when you look into my mailbox, I see, like, from Never Beef. Like, oh, spam? Oh, my goodness. So, I don't know what to say, but good luck to, this is, Tim Balls is involved. Yes. Along with a bunch of New York City guys.
    50:07
    And it's launched an official website. I guess we can say this now because I got this official. Yes. Official press release. We know about it for a week. It's going to be at, yeah, nycpinballchamps.com. Yep. Check them out. You can register and find out more about the tournament. There's a teaser trailer. At least they're having it in the spring. Yes. Like Papa used to have it during the winter in New York City. Yeah, which is fun. It's beautiful. That's going to be 2018. It's called the New York City Pinball Championships.
    50:41
    Of course, they endear themselves to Upstate. I believe on the website it says things like the greatest city on Earth,
    50:47
    which if New York City is the greatest city on Earth, I'm sorry, Earth sucks. Wow. Sorry, man. Out of all the cities in the world, you're going to tell me it's the greatest city? No. That's not. Sorry. That's like insulting other cities, too. It is. New York City, pinball championships, 2018. Be there or be square. I believe the hotel is, I don't know if it had the price there, but I was told it was like $200.
    51:20
    Which is only $50 more than like the Pinberg Hotel. But for New York City, that's not bad at all. No, it's not bad at all. That's not bad at all. It's on the penthouse of the hotel. It gets some beautiful views. It's like $200, really? I mean, for New York City?
    51:35
    Damn. You going to go to that stuff? Yeah, I'm just comparing costs. Do I bother to drive in every day, or do I just spring for a hotel and chill there? It probably is cheaper, almost like for a hotel, because by the time you drive all the way back, the tolls, the parking, well, you still got to park. You can take the train in. Take the train in. Yeah, but that means arguing with schedules and getting up at 6 o'clock in the morning because I'm at a less frequented station and, oh, no, the hotel would be less of a pain in the ass. It's fucking Middletown.
    52:13
    No, you don't understand. Middletown, once you get up out of New Jersey, the trains don't stop by that often. It's only like once every few hours. It's a pain in the... Middletown's the last one in that route, though, isn't it? No, Port Jervis is the last one. It's called the Port Jervis line because that's the terminal stop, but Middletown is like three from the end. Okay, so park in Port Jervis. What I would do, honestly, is drive down to New Jersey, where it starts to pick up, so get closer to Secaucus. Don't actually drive to Secaucus, because that would be awful. Why would I do that? and take the train from Jersey, where they run every half hour or so, instead of once every two hours. Screw you, New Yorkers. Wow. I feel some type of way about NJ Transit.
    53:02
    Where would I get the train, Bruce? Albany. Oh, they go into New York City? You've been to the train station, remember? Oh, the one we picked up, Kevin. So they actually go to New York City? I have no idea. You go directly to New York City. It goes right to the 30. You'd actually go right into Penn Station, and then you can get on the subway and go right up. What, do we have to take Amtrak from Albany? You can, if you wanted to. It's easy. I mean, why would you ever do that? Because it's cheap, and you don't have to deal with it. Honestly, the price of going from Albany to New York City is like $50. If Ron stayed down there for three days with parking and everything else, you're talking more than that. yeah like where am I parking you're going to park in a garage and you're going to get screwed that's what we had to do when we went to modern pinball yeah so it makes more sense just to do that take the train, you get wifi on the train, you get to relax for three hours you don't drink coffee but have a what's it called, Arnold Palmer like you like to drink so much I love Arnold Palmer I know he does. See? I know my brother is like the back of my hand. All right. So there is a possibility, because I would definitely, I would, I'm not driving in. The problem, the only problem I have with the date is it's two weeks after Allentown. So? It's just a lot of work, you know, and then, you know, a lot of stuff coming on. It's like the summer. Yeah. I don't know, just a lot of work. That's good to me.
    54:37
    I mean, oh, there we go. That was a very impressive yawn. Thank you. And I thought I was going to be yawning first. I've had five cups of coffee today. I only had two. That's my normal one. So basically, Bruce, you and I switched our coffee consumption rates. So I'm, like, flying off the handle.
    54:57
    I'm actually calmer now. When I was at work earlier, I was getting super loopy. You should have heard me. It was bad. Well, I had the wrong problem. I didn't get out of the tournament until almost 11 o'clock, and then I still had to drive two more hours.
    55:11
    You know that feeling. I didn't get home till 1. I got home at noon. The next day. It was, come on, what's the problem?
    55:20
    So that's that. So we gave you some good travel options, folks, for anyone in upstate, I guess, or downstate a little bit. Well, you can take Amtrak going up. You can go Amtrak north. You can take a bus. I mean, if you really wanted to. You don't want to. No, the train sounds like a reasonable. Yeah, trains are usually the way to go, even if they are kind of a pain in the ass. No, actually, a train's easy, because once you get on that train, it's a straight shot and track right into Penn Station. Done. For Ron, yeah. Yeah, for Ron, yeah. You know, Big Lebowski, they're not going to make any this year. Do you know that? Yeah, I know, because fail again.
    56:00
    It just every time with this company fail fail fail They do have two Yeah they had one at the Dutch Pinball Open Yep Chinese number two Did you see the pictures from the Dutch Pinball Open That facility? Oh, my God. They had 400 machines there. In spirals. Oh, that's what that was? Yes. Yeah, did you see that? Oh, I thought that was heaven and that someone had, like, accidentally got in a picture and that I was going to move in there immediately. I was looking for my couch. I know. I don't need that much space. I'm little. I can fit.
    56:39
    Please let me move in. It's great. 400 games. It's like Papa territory. I need a game list immediately.
    56:49
    So it was, yeah, the Dutch pinball open. That was impressive. But, yeah, I guess they had a big Lebowski there, too, or whatever. It's just I'm numb to it at this point. It's been so long since I played a working one. I know. It's annoying, actually. I just don't care. Maybe when they finally, if they ever make them and they come out, then okay. Until then, I really don't care. And speaking of annoying companies, Highway Pinball supposedly done with their first run. They're going to now do the second run soon with the regular edition and the LEs, but they don't even know what they're going to do with the LEs, so what a clusterfuck. What do you mean they don't know what they're going to do with the LEs? They don't know if they're going to include Invisiglass with the LEs or not, and they took out the EL wire, so your LE is like a regular edition with just a couple little doohickey things on it and not worth the extra money that you paid for it. Nah, well, Alien is yesterday's news, man. I'm getting ready for Queen.
    57:47
    God, they're not making Queen. Why not? They're going to be out of business. Come on. Barry Alster was designing it. So at least it'll be competent design. I'd love to see that. But I don't see them making it. No? You still don't think so?
    58:07
    No way. The yawn of disapproval. Yep, that is the yawn of disapproval by Bruce. Okay, so. All right, we had the Stern of the Union address. Yes. Which I do like the fact that now you know what code they're actually working on. So you'll know if you're screwed Like, oh, I guess they're not doing anything more with my game Yep, and then you say, fuck Yep, Star Wars, working on that R2-D2 Topper, hopefully coming out soon Batman 66 got another update Ghostbusters, they're working on a final update for that Aerosmith will be getting a little more polish And KISS will have a final update in the future as well Gene will just take all your money with a vacuum cleaner I hope they remove the cities from the final code Just to shut people up. Now, I'd love that. Just no more cities. That's right.
    58:59
    Let's see. Dutch Pinball Open. Yeah, that's most of it. The Dutch Pinball Open game list, by the way, I almost started crying. Wow. Three Monster Bashes. A Car Hop.
    59:14
    Metallica's. A Day of Badness. I think you need to fly out there and actually stay there. I love that. It's like medieval madness, monster bash, car hop. Yeah. People will be like, what? Car hop? And, yes, I did just call Catacomb Toast. It is toast. Because I almost said on Twitter that I choked on my catacomb instead of choked on my toast when I was laughing at something. And that actually just gave me a follower because I referenced the Slam Tilt podcast in that same tweet. I'm tweeting now. Yep. There are fans of the Slam Tilt podcast on Twitter. Hello, my public. I can't believe I just said that. Hello, my public.
    59:58
    You were on Pinball Players. You were on Pinball Hell. They probably had like five Quicksilvers there and like, you know, three Spirits and two Dragonfists. And a Partridge and a Pear Tree. And a Catcom Kingpin somehow they got there.
    60:16
    Well, you were talked about on this week's Pinball Players podcast. I was? I was, yep. Oh, yeah, it was actually on there. No, the new one. Oh, the new one. Oh, so I haven't heard the new one yet. Okay. So you'll have to listen now. All right. Parsons. Hi, Jeff.
    60:35
    I'm halfway through the head-to-head, guys. Hey, Martin. Hey, Ryan C. Has Ryan C gotten back to us? Is he coming over? I hope so. Roto Dave, I'm listening to his interview. Very good. He's a fan of our show, too. Anybody who owns 125 pinball machines in his house, is alright, my book. Is, is, yeah, alright. Is! Is that 125? Yes, and it has.
    61:00
    How? Yeah, how? He has a 2,000 square foot building attached to his house. Oh, there you go. Okay. Say no more. Wow. Yeah. See?
    61:11
    Whoa, awesome! Whoa! That's a lot of freaking games, man. Love it. All right, what do we have next on the docket? Oh. It is time for the pain. We have our judge. We have our year. We have our manufacturers. It's time for Face Off. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. It's your supporter.
    61:38
    Before we begin, Uh-oh. The judge pinball opened for expected games. They did not have a Dragon Fist or a Quicksilver, but they do bill the Rocky they had as Rocky from the movie Rocky III. So apparently this is the Rocky.
    61:55
    No, really not, because that's a Force II, as you've said, Ron. Well, there's a different back glass that was used in the movie than when it was used in production. Isn't Force II the penis game? Yes. Bye. Yep. Oh, God, that game. So if you ever watch Rocky III, which you might not, but there is pinball in the first five minutes. So that might get you to watch it. All right, I'll watch the first five minutes. First five minutes, Pauly, the drunken brother-in-law there, he walks into an arcade and he throws his flask at the Rocky pinball machine. The problem was it wasn't ready yet.
    62:34
    So they had a Force 2, the penis game, and they put the Rocky back glass, which is not the one used on production games, but they put that in the penis game, the Force 2. Oh, my. They put Rocky on the peanut-cut game. Yep. And he throws his flask and breaks in and shatters the back of us.
    62:55
    There are so many levels in the end of that, I don't even know where to start. Yeah, yeah. Go for it. But if you look down the road, you'll see, like, a Paragon. You'll see some other, like, actual good games. Oh. Okay, so for pin-spotting, maybe I'll finally watch the Rocky series. Yep. That is the best motivation. First five minutes of the movie. You don't have to watch long. Look, I freaked out because I was watching Marvel's Daredevil, and there is an episode that not only has a pinball machine in a bowling alley, but it becomes a plot point. I was very excited. Oh, when they were playing it? Yeah, I think it was like a Corvette or a Mustang, though. Yeah. Did it make EM chime sounds? Yes, it did. God, I think it did. Yeah, it did. And it also sounded like a safe cracker, partially, too. What? You can send... When you hear that, they... That's terrible. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the bronze has a couple of pins in the back. They change from season to season, and I don't remember what they are. No, one was a meteor, I think. And one was like a blackjack or something. Ooh. Jacks. One of them card games. There's only like a million. Only a million. There's only a million, that's for sure. Anyway, we were talking about the Slaughterer premiere, right? Yes, the face-off. Did they have a cheetah at the Dutch Pinball Open? Oh, my God, that's a good question. I need to know. I need to know that there's more cheetahs out in the world.
    64:22
    Survey says, wow, there was not a cheetah there. Damn. I couldn't have made that point then. I almost did go to that, though, because I almost went to Netherlands again this year, and I was trying for that date, but they didn't need me. I fixed the machines too well last year, so they didn't need me this year. Sad face. Damn it, you did too good of a job I did too good of a job, damn it So, in this corner We're in a brisk 206 This is Williams Yes, this is for 1990 We're pitting Williams Versus Premier Better known as Gottlieb The contenders The games that Ron has to select from Are deadly weapon a silver slugger title fight Vegas and that's it.
    65:23
    And in this corner the reigning champion diner funhouse riverboat gambler roller games whirlwind Dr. Dude It is Excellent Ray Pool Sharks Radical Valley Game Show And that is all You know what? I thought of a new wrinkle for the show I know, you can split up Valley and Williams No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no You have way more games to select from Than I do Which is totally unfair I agree No, I should be able to pick games to eliminate From your list Or you can add the data each. That'll help. No.
    66:15
    I said nothing. One might help, but that's it. No, we're going by the original rules, sir, until after this round. Oh, no, no, no. You change rules on the fly all the time. Don't give me that shit. Come on. I'm doing rhyme rules here. I should get a chance to eliminate something. You've got, like, eight games to pick from. I've got, like, four. Fool Sharks I can eliminate. No problem. No, no, no. I get to eliminate the game. Then I get to eliminate one of yours now. No, because I only have four. You already have an advantage. Bruce, you already have an advantage.
    66:47
    Guess what? I'll give up Bally. You'll give up Bally. Okay, so then what do you have left? Bruce, give him a Bally.
    66:55
    Diner, Funhouse, Provo Gambler, Roller Games, and Whirlwind. That's five. Okay. All right. How's that? All right. We can even split that up later on. No, that's fine. Bruce, it's not going to matter. Let's be serious here.
    67:10
    I mean, my games are going to just kick your game's ass. That's got to be it. All right, who goes first? Since I had the first pick, because I got to choose if it was pass or go. The game I am choosing is the most original game out there. Original theme, innovation beyond all belief.
    67:34
    We're talking Pat Lawler's Funhouse. Who the hell doesn't like Creepy Rudy? Eyes that look at you, mouth that opens up at you, taunts you. Also, with good flow, good shots, four pop bumpers, three flippers, Rams galore, good rule sets.
    67:57
    You can slap balls into Rudy's face. Yeah, you can hit the little fucker. See? And by Rams galore, you mean one.
    68:06
    Well, yeah, you're right. crazy steps. Shoot for crazy steps. Actually, there's two ramps in there. Oh. Oh, you gotta think about it a little. You gotta think three-dimensionally. I am. The left plunger is a ramp. Oh, that's so weak. Every shooter lane ever made is a ramp. No, it's not, because the right plunger is your shooter lane. The left plunger, you're shooting to go up to a ramp that actually drops the ball into getting your skill shots. That is a plastic ramp. Is it or is it not? Bite me. I am right again, of course. Keeps in you. Yes.
    68:43
    Innovation beyond belief. We're talking the last Alpha Numeric, unfortunately, but the best Alpha Numeric out there.
    68:52
    They sold a ton of these, 10,750 of these beautiful games. You even get a hot dog in it. You get a hot dog mode.
    69:03
    Can't beat the game rule set. Great game. I leave it up to Gottlieb to try to beat that game. No problem. Innovation? You want innovation? I give you an animated back glass. I'm talking about Tidal Fight.
    69:25
    Hold up. I've played this like once at the Sanctum. This is... Once. So I didn't get deeper too happy with it. No, there was a line for it. It was a star. There was a line for it, so she can only get on once. It was like a game at a show. Title fight, which has a cool little mini, almost mini play field in the upper left area. We hit the ball. Drop targets galore. A cool as hell repeatable loop shot in the upper right with two captive balls. And we know Bruce loves the captive balls, Algar. So, like I said, repeatable loop shot. those wonderful, strong, godly flippers, a pop bumper right by your flippers, just like, think Paragon.
    70:11
    Just awesome, awesome innovation there, and now in a fully animated back glass, where you... Hold on, I have to say one thing. That's sacrilege, comparing this to Paragon.
    70:23
    Don't interrupt me, asshole. Okay, like I was saying, go into the back box, you have an animated back box with two fighters where you hit the buttons and they punch each other. Very exciting. State-of-the-art Gottlieb sound. Just an incredibly awesome game. And also an original theme, just like Funhaus. I give you title fight.
    70:48
    Can I just say one thing? Sure. In front of the quote-unquote messenger balls, as IPDB calls them, you have the bull in front of the loop. Meaning that's the bullshot. Mm-hmm. And this game is kind of bullshot, so... I'm sorry.
    71:08
    No, it's completely okay. That was my horrible, horrible joke. I mean, I don't remember being particularly enamored with it when I played it, nor do I remember particularly hating it. It's, I mean, I know some guys who frequent the sanctum a little more than I do when they're lukewarm on this game. but this is going against Funhaus. And as much as I hate that little shit, Rudy,
    71:38
    and as much as I thought I hated Funhaus, I was in Florida earlier this year. I went to the pinball lounge, and I think I spent an hour on that Funhaus. It was the most fun I've had on that game, so I'm going to have to go with Funhaus.
    71:56
    Oof. Sorry. I mean, Ron, you made a great argument for title fight, but it's title fight. That's true. You try, and that's what matters. Okay, Ron, give me your next shot. Give me your best next shot. All right, I'm trying to see what awesome street-level game I can pick next.
    72:20
    Well, clearly I should pick this one. They made the most of them. Let me look at it, refresh my memory of this game. You see, I've done my research. Silver Slugger. Silver Slugger is the game. Who doesn't like baseball? Everyone loves baseball. And Scott Leib has come up with Silver Slugger for your playing pleasure.
    72:44
    It has artwork of baseball, just like you would think. The plastics have the crowd on it, which is pretty neat. It's got them on the slingshots, too. That's the baseball diamond. It says home run inserts. Like, who doesn't like a home run? We got pop bumper caps that have the Gottlieb G on them. Very good for this Premier game. That says Gottlieb, which is always confusing how things are Premier, but they're Gottlieb. Just thought I'd bring that up. That's kind of confusing. But they sold over 2,000 of these. It's a street-level classic game. I'm sure this made all kinds of money for operators. It's just an excellent game, and I'm really running out of material here. I'm looking at this play show.
    73:33
    It has very target, doesn't it? It does. The cool very target, a great thing that only Gottlieb did for some reason. It's got two spinners. That's right, two spinners, drop targets. There's three. Stand up targets. Three spinners? Where's the third one? Three spinners. Oh, yeah, three. Three spinners. Left orbit, right orbit. In a right orbit. Weirdness. Yes. The fuck is that? Yes. Three. Three spinners. Targets. Drop targets. And again, the classically awesome Gottlieb flippers that you can just trap anything because we know you love to trap because people love control.
    74:15
    Silver Slugger. Where's the back glass? I'm trying to see if the back glass has anything cool on it. It has a baseball diamond. It's the most generic back glass I've seen in my entire life, actually. It's a great generic back glass with great, lots of green and a baseball diamond.
    74:36
    Is it called silver slugger, not green slugger? It's silver slugger. Well, it's silver, the baseball silver, silver trim. It has the awesome Gottlieb speakers in a good position, pointed right at your head for optimum sound quality. I yield the floor about time god when you have such a great designer at Williams you know you can build one game a year but no we're going to do two games in the same year we're going to go with the second of the disaster series we're going with Whirlwind Movable up and down flap with a lockable ball underneath. You get the design of that wall. Movable up and down flap. What the hell is that? For the ramps. For the ramp. You mean the ramp. Yeah, but it actually moves up and down, so you can lock underneath it or continue normal ramps.
    75:39
    Another Bruce Islam. Up and down flap. I've got to remember that one. John Yossi artwork. Chris Grenier sounds. software by Bill Puff... I can never say his name right.
    75:53
    Puffin Zermuter. It's called Futz. That's what I think they called him anyway. P-Futz. It was called P-Futz.
    76:01
    Great game. Great modes in it. Great multiball. You get the seller multiball. You get, you know, regular whirlwind multiball. Plus you get three spinners that move the ball in any direction. so it's not just a normal game of baseball. You get a real game with ramps, not no bottom, let's be cheap and just put a one-level game on this. Yeah, that's a great idea. Let's keep up the good work. No. I don't have to say anything else, except for it's William Quality with a great game, with a great theme, and great sounds. And way too many extra balls on default mode. You forgot the best part about Whirlwind The blower up top? Yeah, on a hot day, you really need that then Or you go to California Extreme and you get the weed whacker They actually have an industrial blower motor on it It actually dries your eyes out while you're trying to play it Oh, that helps So I knew the floor Well, I've never played silver baseball slugger thingy.
    77:16
    So, I'm going to sit here for a second and pretend that I've never played Whirlwind. And, Whirlwind has cool spinny thingies that kind of remind you of the trauma that is Fireball Classic,
    77:33
    but kind of don't. It has that really obnoxious skill shot, but it has two sets of jets. It has the skylight hull. It has the, what did you call it, an up and down flap? Yep. Yeah.
    77:50
    It has two scoops. Not one, but two. It's like, let's double all the cool things. Let's double the scoop. Double the jets.
    77:59
    It's got an inner loop. Yeah, it has shots. But it's so much more expensive than Silver Slugger, though. You're an operator. You need to put your operator hat on here. Let's see how much you make in a year. I'm trying everything I can. You're failing. Think about it. In a year that Silver Slugger is in the back of your shop, and you're saying, why did I spend this money on it? And your Whirlwind's going.
    78:23
    But Silver Slugger will continue to work, unlike Whirlwind, which will be broken. Really, though? No, it will not. It will always work. Is that really something you can guarantee?
    78:35
    No, it's a Williams System 11B. The only thing it will burn is just the connectors for the lights. That's it. they'll run forever. Honestly, Whirlwind has more visual appeal because it has the shiny thingies and the blowy thingy. Of course, blowy thingy. Perfect. Nice and descriptive.
    78:57
    Oh my. Yeah, it has the wind blowing at it. Jeez. I mean, the multi-ball thing is pretty cool. Yeah. Although, supposedly, Silver Slugger has a multi-ball too. I guess in the scoops?
    79:14
    Is that how you lock balls in Silver Slugger? Does anybody know? I would assume so. The world may never know. I'm assuming so. That's how it works in hoops. You pretty much have to lock that way. Yeah. Unfortunately, I'm really biased towards Whirlwind, just because of the Williams. Can we just pick Whirlwind and get on to the third game? Yeah.
    79:38
    Thank you. I'm sorry. I was trying to be fair. You were very fair. There's no way to defend a street-level turd. Yeah, I'm sorry.
    79:49
    All right. What do you got, Bruce? My pick. It's your pick. So do I go with a Steve Ritchie game? I already lost, by the way. This is for pride. Or do I go with a Mark Ritchie game? Hmm.
    80:02
    We got to go Steve because Steve is the best designer. We are going. Give me two seconds. I just lost it on my screen. I love it when that happens. He's going to say Roller Games, folks. You got it, baby. Roller Games. Best sound ever. Best light show ever in a game next to Black Knight 2000.
    80:28
    That's the Go for the Wall game? Go for the Wall! Yeah, this one. Yes. Great game. Oh, God, with the magnet in front of the paper? that scares the hell out of you. Yep.
    80:43
    Magnet catching near upper flipper. Two-stage kickback in the left-out lane, which is great. Love that. You don't see it. As Ron has said in the past, his own words, they need to bring this back out of the game. It would cost too much now. Oh, that would be two coils. We can't do that. That would be two coils. We can't do that. That's too much money. I actually prefer the European sound roms over the, because, you know, the different sounds for the songs, but great music, great sounds, a little lacking in the multi-ball lighting. We have talked about this also, but still a great game. Go for the wall, sudden death, all over, knock your socks off. This is a great game.
    81:26
    I yield the floor. All right. Yes, Roller Games with version 1.0 of the buggy software. That is Roller Games. that they didn't put any polish on the game because the show was off the air before the game was even released, a game that they stripped down and pulled flashers from. That was a show? Well, that was a great show, Steph. Yeah, it's buggy as hell software, from one who knows, actually owns the game, where the soundboard will just intermittently reboot for no reason. It does it in pin name also, so I know it's an actual software bug. So, what's your game? You're going against this buggy bad game? Well, I'm trying to, you know, badmouth the other game. Basket more than support money. And? Don't forget the extremely poor multi-ball start-up sequence is just pathetic. I give you Deadly Weapon, a game officially endorsed by Zach. Hi, Zach. We played it at Pinberg.
    82:28
    Anyone remember this? No? Three flippers, ladies and gentlemen, just like roller games. We have three flipper action.
    82:35
    We have a unique layout. Not this cookie cutter stuff. We have unique layout. We have multiple spinners, targets, drop targets. We have another cool pop-up right by the flippers, just like Paragon, actually, in almost the same place as Paragon. We have a unique flipper arrangement because we know everyone loves weird flipper arrangements at the bottom, especially Tim Sexton. He loves them. Then we got three pop-upers. we got adequate artwork adequate? as opposed to the horribly over the top artwork of roller games who likes that? we have the incredibly awesome back glass of deadly weapon an action shot with three people and some dude with a gun and at least it's not a photograph Gottlieb's deadly weapon you can get arrests not just score, you can get arrests just like in hoops when you get baskets. Again, the superior back box design with the speakers that point right at your head for maximum efficiency.
    83:39
    Roller games. I give you, no, not roller games. Roller games. It's deadly weapon. Roller games. I yield a four. You said that you played it at Pembroke. Was I there? Not in this particular game. This is when I believe Zach played against me in Ubers. Yes. Okay, good. because I don't remember this at all. And that would be a bigger point against it It is so linear It is so linear it not even funny Stop with your linear All your rules bullshit It fun to shoot Look at it It has a hole It has a flipper. Yay!
    84:18
    It has a third flipper. It has a kick seat? It does. It's a kickback. What am I even looking at? Nobody even knows. It's just a terrible game. It's street level. It's an awesome street level game. You will get the most from your money, man. Yeah. Okay, that's gotta be it. Well, I've never played it, so again, I have the bias towards, what was your game, Bruce? My brain just kind of shut down looking at this. Rock, rock, rock, rock, roller games. Oh, I mean, yeah, you kind of have to go with roller games. I mean, it's a magnet thing. And it just looks kind of weird. Sweep. What kind of, what even is that upper flipper going for? What is this geometry? Is it like a hobbit upper flipper? Yeah, it's terrible. A hobbit upper left flipper? Does he go into that lane? No. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he goes into that lane.
    85:18
    Barely. It goes into the lane. Don't listen to him. You already lost. Yes, I did. Sweet. Yeah. If I ever play these games and change my mind, I'll let you know. Yeah, you won't. All right, all right. Let's get the randomizer. Random.org. 1974 through 20, sorry, 1998. No, we already did 90. Well, we did 90, no, 98, they're gone. 97, we already did, so 96. 74 to 96. 1974 to 1996? Yep.
    85:58
    1975. Ooh, boy. Okay, we're going to have some EMs that we probably haven't played. This is going to be difficult. Okay, so let's see what we first. I've got to go. I don't even know what the – what game came out in 70? Oh, wait a minute. Oh, that's right. Bally. I got Wizard. I got games like that if I can get Bally. Okay, so who do we have? We have Bally, Williams, and Gottlieb probably are the three. I think there's actually more, so hold on.
    86:27
    There's Gottlieb, Bally. Sagusa. Playmatic. All right, Bruce. No one is going to, including me, is going to know any of the games from these other, these Playmatic and all this stuff. Chicago Coin. No one's going to know these games.
    86:44
    Well, I'm just saying, you're cutting out a lot of possibilities here. Possibilities of, like, one-off. No one's going to know any of these games. Chicago Coin, you know a couple of them. Like what? Red Baron. Who? Red Baron. Never heard of it. I know the video game. What if we combined Sagasa and Playmatic? We'll go with the old Bally Williams. Gottlieb. Bally Williams, Gottlieb. The three. Okay, just Goot Lube, Bally and Williams? Goot Lube. Just Bally Williams and Gottlieb. So you've got to do three. Read it separately. Yes, and I did type out Goot Lube. Because I can. All right. Randomizing. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. I get to pick this time first. Who gets first pick? I get the first pick. First pick?
    87:34
    Number one was Bally. I will take that. Ooh. Numero dos. What's next? Williams. Okay, we'll go with that. No, no Goot Lube. No Goot Lube, which is a shame. In 1975, they might have actually made something that didn't suck.
    87:53
    That 1975 sounds like the era where the 3D glasses work best. That is the best thing about, like, Gottliebs is they really take the three-day. It will be hard for me. I would have rather have Gottlieb. Really? Here's what I have. What did that tell you? A lot. A ton of selection here. I have Flicker, which is that with Laurel and Hardy on it? Yes. Air Aces. Yes. Knockout. One of my favorite games. Wizard.
    88:27
    High Deal. and bow and arrow. I have for Williams, I have Big Ben, Black Gold. There's going to be 55 of them, but it is actually above 50.
    88:41
    Pat Hand, Satin Doll, Toledo, and Triple Strike. God, I've actually played some of those games. Toledo is at the Morristown Game... Yeah, Morristown Game Vault. We have our picks for next week EM land EM land, excellent Getting off the solid state crap Yes So what do we have next on the docket?
    89:10
    Would you or would you not buy that? We'd buy that or would we? This is where we scour the world of eBay To look for great things like the butthole crane Yes Oh my god, the bunghole crane That was legendary It was That was legendary That is legendary I am ready.
    89:30
    eBay number, ticket number, 122-801-213-298. Descriptive. It says pinball machine. Yes. Okay, cool. It's a ballet eight ball. Oh, there's one at the pinball lounge. Not bad. Game, but... Those are really not helpful pictures. No, they're not. Cabinet looks so-so. The back glass is so-so. Is the glass off, or is it just me? The glass is off. So it's Ron's preference there. Playfield doesn't look that bad. It's pretty bad. Really? Where?
    90:16
    It's discolored in the middle. Okay. The balls are all there, but, I mean, the mylar, you can see how much it faded. The Mylar rings are next to the kick-out, the slingshots. It's a lot greener than the other parts of the playable field. Okay. Wouldn't that affect play?
    90:34
    Mylar's been common back then, so it's not a big deal. It's only $500, Bruce. Exactly. That's why I picked it. $500 in Ohio. Where it's round on the outside and high in the middle. Eat me to it, damn it. Yes.
    90:53
    Bally 8-Ball Pinball Machine. Needs work. It does start up and start a game. There is two chime coils that are bad. The right flipper does not work. Plus, I'm sure there are other issues. All displays look pretty good. Back glass fair. Has some paint missing. Play field not too bad. Has a plastic missing. Plus one is broke. Any questions, shoot me a text. I will help with shipping at buyer's expense. Thanks.
    91:20
    There you go. I'd buy that for that bunch. It's cheap. Ticket number, last one. This is another light day. 332-195-415-601.
    91:39
    I mean, come on. Oh, my. It's a Sea Witch back glass. Perfect for Stephanie. $350, though. Canadian.
    91:52
    Oh, approximately 276. Is that a lot for a back glass? No, they're really nice. A brand new, oh, this is from, what's his face? This is from John. Brand new replacement back glass. New tempered glass with inject production. The glass is done on a flatbed printer and is done by a large print shop. Yep. I like how the flash just happens to line up with me and T, which is boob. Oh, my. I'm sorry. That's really distracting me. I guess so. There's one more I found after this one. Oh, the last one, but not really. Would you buy that stuff?
    92:30
    I mean, to have a backup back glass? Why not? I mean, isn't that something that people do? You saw what I did. I bought mine. Was it a backup, though, or was that a replacement? Mine's peeling, so that's why I bought it. For my house, my Black Knight and Nineball. Those are replacement back classes. Yep. I mean, at worst, it would be what? Hanging on the wall? Have more sea witch with your sea witch so you can sea witch while you sea witch? Yeah. Wow. You can sea witch all the time. I just want to sea witch all the time, sea witch all the time, sea witch all the time. Oh, God. I put the good one in the game and then take the other one and make that like a wall hanging. Thank you. That's what I would do.
    93:17
    Ticket number 222-718-092-421. New listing, Firepower. Let's see, Firepower Pinball Machine. Needs batteries, but works great. No acid damage on the board. Has wear on play fill as noted in pics.
    93:42
    Are they sure? Three of the pictures I've seen in my life. Yes, they are pretty bad. That's why I pulled it up. Oh, yeah. It's a good one. Okay, so several of the pictures of the game were, like, in its packed state with the head down, with, like, wrap around it, which are useless.
    93:59
    Coin door hanging open, flapping in the breeze. Flapping in the breeze. You don't want your coin door flapping in the breeze. That's for sure. The amount of slam tilts. More slam tilting than the slam tilt podcast. Yes.
    94:12
    So you should not buy this. No. Right, guys? I mean, the playfield where from, I'm not really familiar with firepower that much, but is it supposed to be all gray in the middle?
    94:25
    Oh, no, that's the Death Star. That's the Death Star. There is some pretty good wear that you can see around the inserts. Oh, yeah. Well, look between seven, like five, six, and seven to the right of it. There's no paint. Yeah. It's gone. And the right two arrows in the matrix of six arrows in the middle are, like, surrounded by wear. And the stand-up targets, only one is red. We have exactly one red target. I think that's just because the decal fell off. Oh, I don't know how those work. Yeah, they have to be. Sea Witch doesn't have those. That is beyond my knowledge. Sea Witch has drop targets, which are always superior. Although in Firepower, they did have drop targets originally, but the stand-ups actually do play better. Really? Yep. Originally, the original prototypes had six drop targets. Mr. Ritchie was quite pissed when they changed it, but they kept breaking on location because those were those horseshoe targets we were talking about. See? They're a re-bow. See? It's all come full circle, and they're terrible, and they kept, like, breaking down on test. Even then, they would put the games out on test, so they switched them to stand-ups. The thing is, the game plays way better with the stand-ups. Because with the drop targets, it would deaden the ball, and it was much more controllable and less fun. I got another one. Oh, God. Keep on finding more. Yeah, definitely.
    95:48
    162, 750, 949, 602. Oh, God. Is this his? I think it is. God, no. No, it's not his, but no. It's a turd nonetheless. Yeah, no. No, nobody knows what the game is yet. Buck Rogers. Dee-dee-dee-dee-dee. Godly turd. Beedie, beedie, beedie, buck. Not even working. Now. Yeah, but you know what?
    96:24
    Playfield is nice. Of course it is, because it never worked. Oh, jeez. We got a cavalcade of different targets, which you can just go to Pinball Resource and get the originals, no problem. Not a problem at all. So the play field is okay, and, man, it's, well, they want $7.50 for it. Good luck. I don't know what the reserve is. Don't know either. But right now it's at $122.
    96:49
    Which is about what it's worth. I agree. Oh, yikes. It's in Massachusetts. Really? You think it's that bad? It's that bad. Okay, maybe like 250 to 500. I think they're just really pushing it. Really? Poor Buck Rogers. Beady, beady, beady, beady. Buck. It's not that fun. I'm sorry. No, it isn't. Thank you. It's not. You're not going to get me to defend this game. No. This should be right next to Close Encounters of the Third Kind. No, Close Encounters is fun. No, it's not. Oh, my God. It's not. It sucks. No. It's funner than Buck Rogers. Ron, $6 million man or Buck Rogers? Oh, $6 million man. Okay. Buck Rogers or Close Encounters?
    97:36
    Which one? Better or worse? Either way. Well, which one would I rather play? Yes. Buck Rogers. Okay. Me too. Seriously? Fine. I'll take my Close Encounters and have fun.
    97:49
    Wowzers. Yowzers. It can be a pain in the ass, but I mean, it doesn't mean it's not fun. It's not fun. All right. I think we've gone through all our items. Nope, we have not. Oh, okay. We need the mail ball bag. We don't have any mail. Yes, we do. What do we have? God, you don't even look at your own mail ball bag. You don't check out your mail ball bag sack. It wasn't me, I swear. Oh, and Tim's not streaming, it looks like, so fail. Fail, fail. Because I was going to alert him that we were talking about Viper last week. and how he wanted the spinner to be worth more. Yep. Scott did it. Done. We have the ROM ready for you, Tim. Yes. Whenever you want to give it to the guys so they can put it in. Basically, it multiplied all spinner scores by 10x. So instead of 20, it's 200. Instead of 40, it's 400, et cetera. Yep. So Scott's come through again. Go, Scott. So we got the code right here. It's ready for you, Tim Balls. You can give it to the Sanctum guys. They can put it in there. Or maybe if I visit, I can burn us that and we can make Viper better. Ooh, that'd be nice. I just found something pretty cool, actually. Actually? Actually. Grand Prix, of course. We all know and love Grand Prix. Woo-hoo, Grand Prix. How much do you think they sold it for $945 to distributors?
    99:17
    Guess how much it cost them to build that game. Oh, you mean back in the day? Yes. So they sold it for $945. How much was the BOM? Like $100? I don't know. $700.
    99:31
    $402. Wow. And how do you know this? It's actually on IPDB, and Steve Kordick told them what the BOM was. Mm. So they sold 10,000 of them at a $500 profit each game.
    99:48
    So that would be two extra zeros. Yes, you got it. Yeah. I figured that out. Wow. Congratulations, you can math. Thank you.
    100:01
    Reading is fundamental. No, math is fundamental. I love numbers. You would think I'd be better at rule sets. You think you would be, but you're not. But I'm not. You fail. I fall asleep. You do fall asleep. Like watching a Game of Thrones thing.
    100:19
    Hand of the butt. Oh my. So, we still have one more thing Steph, what would you like to talk about?
    100:32
    I would just like to say that we need more women in pinball And why is that? Well, because everyone should enjoy pinball That's why we have leagues like Bells and Chimes That's why we have women's tournaments such as the Sweet Talker Incidentally, third Sweet Talker date is tentatively set for February 10th, 2018, up at the Wicked Piss at Pinball Pit. But, I mean, women's leagues are good because sometimes you get intimidated walking in and there's a bunch of guys getting super intense on pins. I know when I first joined the OCPC, I was pretty intimidated walking into a crowd of new people and going, uh, there are people, and some of them are shouting and banging on machines. What is this? This is not what I'm used to. I was used to me and my dad just going somewhere and being the only people pumping quarters into the machines and me just, like, gluing myself to the nearest Monster Bash and calling it a day. So, I mean, I have my dad there to, like, ease me into it. But if you're just someone who walks into a bar and there's a bunch of people getting super intense over a competition, I can understand feeling intimidated. So women's tournaments, it's not that we don't get competitive, but there's a social aspect to it. it's a little bit of a different feel. So, I mean, it's good that we have leagues like Bells and Chimes where it's not as points-oriented. It's more you can socialize while you play, and it's all girls. So it's kind of a different dynamic, and it helps us get more women in pinball, which more people in pinball. Yay. The end.
    102:12
    I tried. I'm not as well spoken as Echo Schneider or anybody, but we need more women in pinball, period.
    102:21
    We need some better themes. What would be a good women's theme for a pinball machine? That's a good question. And I actually have to think about it on the spot instead of writing a 2,000 word treatise on good themes for women in pinball, don't I?
    102:38
    I'm just trying to think myself. I don't know, maybe some female artists. I don't know. Lady Gaga would not make the best pen mate, or maybe it would. Maybe it would. I mean, those would be some very interesting toys. Just shoot the meat suit spinner. I don't know. The bubble dress pops. I don't know. This is going out of hand quickly. That took a turn. Actually, I'm trying to think of how many with Dolly Parton. Is that about it? Dolly Parton when she has Flash and Booze. Barbed Wire. Really awkward. Barbed Wire actually.
    103:16
    It is. It is a female themed. Really? No. That's a male themed with a female theme. She's a star. Yeah. She's the star. Alright. There is one that has a really good super score. Has a really good back class. It's just a bunch of girls chilling and playing pinball. Bad girls. Which one's that? No. Is that the pool one? Yes. They're playing pool, yeah. You know me? Yeah. Well, that's your thing, oh my, oh, girls. You have your favorite, Steph, Carhop.
    103:52
    You got Steph right on the front? It does. It has Stephie right on the front. So there we go. There's the subject for the male ball bag. Oh, that sounded weird to say.
    104:03
    The male ball bag. What are some good women's teams that we could have? Could be. used or have in the past. Yeah, of course I chose the perfect time to blank, but...
    104:16
    You had your opportunity. And you failed. You'll hear from me next week. I think much better when I'm writing on paper than I do talking out loud. She's yelling at us when she's listening to the podcast. Oh my God, screaming into my freaking phone like there's no tomorrow. I can't listen to you guys at work. I have to stop because I'll either start cracking up or starting to want to scream at you into my phone at work. She must be talking about me screaming at me, not you. Well, just shouting in general. Of course, Steph also has a Twitch feed. Yes, he does. As you would figure, called Pinball Princess. Yes. Also have a Twitter. Same thing, just the L's are ones because someone took Pinball Princess a bajillion years ago. As your last stream, you were writing, there's this contest, I guess, is it a contest or this thing where? It's a challenge, kind of, like a self-imposed, hellacious challenge. 50,000 words over the course of November, it's called NaNoWriMo, National Novel Writing Month, and it's 50,000 words over the course of 30 days, which comes to an average of 1,667 words per day if you want to be on par to finish on time. And it's really fun, as exasperating as it is, to write and find that you are writing the most crappiest shit ever. Most crappiest shit. I can't believe I just said that.
    105:50
    I'm so well spoken. Look at my eloquence. I love the, here's the line, the collection of tenderly tendered timber. Oh, fuck. I forgot that I wrote that. It was a collection of tenderly tended timber. And I think I wrote in parentheses, I freaking hate myself, as soon as I wrote that. And Zach was just like, I can't believe he just wrote that.
    106:15
    Me neither. Paragraphs about wood, basically. Yeah. Are you kidding? Look, I haven't been streaming the other five fucking chapters over fucking...
    106:27
    She's supposed to be a woodcarver's daughter, my main character. And that's why it's all about episode 69. This is a really bad time to talk about wood.
    106:39
    At least he said it, not me. I'll probably stream once it gets past the beginning, if I get past the beginning and the story turns into not being about wood and carving wood. I'm really tired of writing about wood, guys.
    107:00
    So we got upcoming shows this weekend. I think Steph wanted to mention some Orange County upcoming events.
    107:10
    Yes. Well, this Saturday, as you mentioned previously, we have the Rock Fantasy Fall Open on the 18th of November. Then on Black Friday, we have the Black Friday Black Metal Pinball Knockout.
    107:23
    Also at Rock Fantasy, obviously. And it looks like this year's Flip Off Hunger, where you bring food to flip off hunger in multiple ways, lovely double entendre, is on December 16th, it looks like I have written down here. It's somewhere. If I fucked it up, I'll let you know. And not OCPC, but again, Sweet Talker is scheduled for February 10th so far, and that's up in Massachusetts at Chuck's Place. Hey, Chuck. Yeah, and that's a women's tournament, I should specify. That's one of the women's tournaments that I was touting.
    108:07
    I will be at the Rock Fantasy one because my Florida trip was canceled, so I will not be going to Florida or the Free Play Florida. You got a chance to win and hold the Hulk head, I think. I don't know. We got some tough competition. is still going to be there. I know, but still a lot of the heavy hitters are going to be going down to North Carolina, so you're going to be walking right in there. But what's his... Anthony's there. He's always there. Eric Russell will be down there. Oh, Russell with muscle is going to be there. Okay. Yes, he will. Mr. Russell. And I don't know about Jason, but Jason might go down also. Alright.
    108:44
    So that's that. Anything... any other events? For me, no. I'm thinking about possibly having a tournament at the bar in December. December to dismember. Yes. We're petering out here, folks. We're at the end of a long podcast. Yes. We are. So I think it's time to pay some bills.
    109:05
    www.pinballlifter.com. Come check us out for your lifting helpers, tilters, needs. Use your brain, not your back. We also have a couple mods there and your wheel kits for your lifters also. So, The Silver Ball Saloon on Facebook and www.thesilverballsaloon. Check my bar. Hopefully, in a couple weeks, we'll be opening up. You can come play. Please come play. Please come spend some money. Please drink, eat, and be merry. Bolesome. I have Ron's Galaga going in this week.
    109:40
    We're going to have a good old time there. Come check us out. Excuse me. I'm tired. I'm done even doing the other show. Okay, and thanks to all the other wonderful podcasts out there, like this flipping podcast, Pinball Profile. Hi, Jeff Teolis. Pinball Players Podcast, the Head-to-Head Pinball. Anyone else I'm missing? I'm sorry. Bro, do you even talk pinball? Steve Bowden, Fun with Bonus. Hi, Zach. Getting through all our gimmicks here. Hi, George. Hi. George Takei, hopefully you're innocent of proven guilty, but, man, it don't look too good. It looks great. We're all positive for you, sir. Yeah. If you want to come on the show and talk about it, you can do it. We are more than welcome. Please come on our show and defend yourself. I'm sure he'll be here right away.
    110:38
    We are the Slam Tilt Podcast. We can be found on Facebook. Just search for Slam Tilt Podcast. On Twitch, just search for Slam Tilt Podcast. what was that pain okay you're still in Rocky I stream Dirty Harry this past Saturday don't know if I'll be doing anything this week you won't be doing this Saturday because it'll be a tournament maybe I'll do something sooner I don't know whatever I feel like we're also on YouTube just search for Slam Tilt Podcast correspondence can be sent to us at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com I'd like to thank Steph Guida once again, the pinball princess.
    111:20
    Yeah, I think I'll use that email address one of these days. Novel idea. You may very well do that. So this has been the Slam Tilt Podcast, Episode 69, Rocky III. And I pity the fool. And hopefully Bruce will remember his line this week. So say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Jeff Patterson.
    111:45
    Oh my, my, can you move it? Can you fly? Oh my, my, oh my, my, you can move it if you try. Oh my, my, oh my, my, I'll keep you alive.