The Pinball Network is online. Launching final round pinball podcast. A applause for watchers from theCHUредA Pe hjälich Android polish send S formal and V-1000 for Maison Parfait Chanel. Out Pinball Son painted v-menu Have a good final roundgh laboratory Holiday and Players A visualkum Wal الل な on a Dev a Aren't you lucky? Back to Back Weeks, here we are. My name is Geoff Teolas. My name is Martin Robbins. What do you mean Back to Back Weeks? This schedule is all out of here. Who cares? Doesn't matter. We're at episode 55. My name is Martin Robbins. This is the final round pinball podcast. You're welcome. See I make it sound like it's a real positive thing when we're actually late with an episode and you're like, oh, it took you three weeks to get the last note and then you come out I mean, I've been watching you early with this one. You're like, wow, that's awesome. I say this every week. You're lucky to get any show from us. And especially on Easter weekend. I can't believe Marty, you have, you've foregone church and all the Easter festivities. It's a, it's a big commitment to do this show. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. That's all right. I mean, there is an Easter egg hunt happening right now. And I've said, look, sorry guys, I've got a podcast to do. I can't wander around the neighborhood looking for eggs that are probably full of poison. It's a pinball show on the RSA, the sport of pinball. It's a pinball show on the RSA, the sport of pinball. I like your style. That's good. The kid started crying. You showed pictures of dead bunnies. I like your style. That's good. No, it is actually Easter Sunday in Australia, and it's a beautiful day. I am very happy to be doing this podcast, particularly because we've got somebody special on this week. Yeah, we do. Last week we had Ryan Seon and- Yeah, let's do the opposite. We shouldn't really give out our email after Ryan's on because we have to field a lot of complaints. All those funny accents. The You're an Australian, you're a Canadian, you bring on another Australian, can't you mix it up? A lot of your audience is in the States, so this week, what do we do? We don't have another Australian, but we brought another Canuck on and not just any Canadian. He is the one, the only, from your fifth favorite pinball podcast, Pinball Nerds, Orby himself, Albert Agar joins us. Albert, how are you, buddy? Oh my god, after an entrance like that, I'm doing even better. Thanks so much, guys. I was, like I mentioned, so shocked that you guys are going to have me here on the show and just really, really excited to be here. It doesn't matter. I know Martin's really, it sounds like he's really upset he's missing out on that Easter egg hunt. So, you know, if you just, if you have to go, Marty, you know, it's okay, even though I really want to chat with you, but it sounds like you're really messing out there. Yeah, it's a, it's a tough decision, but I think I've chosen right. We'll see. So Orby, you were gone for a year. Where the hell did you go? And thank God you're back. What's going on? Long story short, I found that the last probably three or four months that I was podcasting last year, I was kind of getting more negative. The show wasn't as fun and it was supposed to be light. Of course, you already said it in the intro, your fifth favorite pinball podcast. I kind of started this as a joke. After I broke my arm, I didn't have another creative outlet because I couldn't skateboard anymore. I basically got to the point where, hey, I hadn't even played Stranger Things and I still haven't got to play it yet. What I'm not even talking about pinball for the main thing I like to talk about other than playing new pinball machines is tournaments and I hadn't played in a tournament in two years so what the heck you know I didn't have that much to talk about and just mentally I wasn't in a great place and I thought well I also was feeling a little bit underappreciated at the time because I was you know disputing with some people that I considered good friends of mine in the pinball industry and I thought if I can't be a positive force on pinball and I can't use my you know pinball blog as it's as I call it as a positive outlet If it becomes more of a chore or a job then I'm not going to waste my time doing it anymore and that's exactly what I did. I took some time off, I waited to the, I got hungry like the wolf to podcast again, and once the hunger came back I was ready to get out there and get on the mic. We're glad you did, and I guess the difference as well compared to a lot of other podcastes is that your frequency of releasing podcasts is a lot more there most people. That probably would have been effective in it as well. For sure. And I think the other thing is too, like what I learned with Marty with you and Ryan C and then of course now with you and Jeff on the final round, if you have a partner to kind of spar with there, it makes it a little more enjoyable, a little more fun and like happens quite often on the final round, you two kind of keep each other in line. If one of the two of you is kind of, you know, going off tilt a little bit too much or going off topic, the other one of you kind of reels the guy in, right? Or from time to time you try to. I have no one to reel me in and I really need someone to reel me in. Well, I mean, have you, I mean, obviously you're back and you're still solo. Had you thought about maybe teaming up with somebody? I did reach out to Crystal and I had mentioned this on the show, Crystal Gemnick, of course. She has a show here. We haven't heard from her in a while on TPN, of course, but I reached out to her at the very, very start of TPN and said, I think it'd be really cool if we tried to do like a kind of a funny, like topical, you know, morning show type thing with banter. And I know at the time she I think she kind of wanted to go a different direction. Of course, I got to hear her interview you, Marty, on there on the plunge. What is it? On the plumb. How can I forget that? What the hell kind of pinball nerd am I? Anyways, I absolutely think that she was going the right direction with that one. And I know that with two people, it's hard to team up. I, you know, I kind of reached out a little bit to Drew from Poor Men's Pinball Podcast after Ian was there. And I said, you know, if you ever want to have me on a show with you, let me know. So I feel like I have some pretty good chemistry Ned I was going to pinball maybe one time a month because there's less tournaments out here and I have to travel further and that sort of thing and honestly it was my way of after I moved out here the last I don't know 200 podcasts or so was my way of kind of almost chatting with everyone I used to talk to at my other leagues and you know Monday Night Pinball, London Ontario Pinball League, shoutouts all around you know to you know topple all the different places I used to go play all the time and it was kind of my way of connecting with pinball but I was losing touch with I was really excited to be able to talk to the pinball people because I didn't ever get to actually talk to anyone playing pinball or go to pinball tournaments anymore because of COVID. And you know, even if I lived in a big city and I had a lot of friends with large collections and I could still go play new pins when they came out, maybe I would have something to talk about. But I just ended up just doing like impressions of an impression of an it's like, you know, it was kind of pointless. And maybe a big part of it for me was that everybody else during the pandemic hasn't seen their friends for you know, they went what six months, nine months a year. When I I moved out here, we weren't allowed to leave the Nova Scotia bubble of course. So now that being said in the last six or seven months I probably should have came back there. I was a little bit, you know, a little bit of fear that I know I don't want to upset Ian so I'll call it the fungus 19 if you don't mind. But yeah, like, you know, I just I'm ready to travel soon. I've already I've already had it and I'm probably going to wait another two months to get my next booster and then wait till that kicks in maybe a month later just because I don't think it's a good idea that I do tons of traveling and you know on airplanes and large pinball tournaments yet. I'm going to Yagpin, so I better get ready. I better take the mask and just throw it in the air and get ready to just get crazy because at some point you got to move on with life, right? Yagpin is going to be a lot of fun. That's coming up in July, end of July in Edmonton, Alberta. And I know a lot of players from not just Canada, from all over going to that big event. It's kind of a mini Pinburg. Certainly it's not the thousand people that we're used to, but it is that match play format. There are other tournaments too. There are Classics, there are Women's, there's the High Stakes, there's a Knockout Tournament. So a lot of activity in Edmonton July 21st to 24th. So I'm glad you're going to be going out there. Now out in Nova Scotia, I mean this is how desperate pinball is out in Nova Scotia. I've got friends out there. Doug Parsons, a big shout out to him. A big person in the pinball community. Somebody I first met at the Canadian Pinball Championships back in 2015, my first ever real tournament. So Doug was there. But you're stuck playing with guys like David Dennis. Oh my. Are you okay? You know what? David Dennis beat me in the last tournament, so I'm not okay. Because that's the first time he beat me and I was a little bit sour about it because in my mind, you know, he's been playing out here, so he's played in many of the Fundy Flipper tournaments. He's maybe played, I don't know, a dozen or so tournaments, maybe a little more, a little less. Sorry, did you say funny Flipper or funny looking? No, no. Fundy. Like the Bay of Fundy. I thought you said funny looking. I'm sorry. Go on. That works. Well, David Dennis does sort of look like the guy from the debaters, but that's a Canadian CBC joke, so it's probably not going to be gotten by all the listeners. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Steve Patterson? Yes. Okay, this goes back to last episode and a big fuck you to Marty. Steve Patterson, the host of the debaters, a Canadian show, and he's done very well.糖ziehentyneut incoming. Mar Nay coachzeichnung Kick,次 robots versions.THIS Nashville BII Abb inclusiveardchick는 Le mustard Sub Теперь Vang speak I'm very, very, very envious of both of you. A pinball crew, A pinball crew, a pinball company, and a pinball company, and the other one works on the radio, and it's like, here I am milking goats all day, ya know? Oh, don't worry. I'd like to milk a goat once in a while. That's a skill. That's a life skill. I bet you do it a lot. Wait, Jeff. Until you've milked Leah you'll, if you would melt her, you would never ever once again say you want to milk a goat. Because this girl jumps more often than popcorn in a popcorn maker. I don't know. But it's very hard to milk her. Very hard. If you're lucky enough to get enough cheese to make one cheese slice, you're happy. See, I'm glad Ryan's not on this week because he would have said, oh, I've milked two Leia. Now that's a totally different thing and not appropriate at all. Throw that out, we're not even going to play that. Mm-hmm. I'll forget to edit that out. So, I'm looking at Nova Scotia on the map, right? So, this is from the perspective of somebody that really doesn't know North America that well. Right. You could almost say it's kind of, it's not an island, but it's pretty self-contained. It's like a skin tag. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. My neighbors here in the Scotch do not take kindly to people from Ontario saying stuff like that. Let me tell you. No, I'm kidding, I'm just kidding. My in-laws are from Nova Scotia. My sister lived there for years. I love, love, love I love Nova Scotia. I was just referring to the shape. That's all. It's gorgeous. And okay, just to throw this out there. You know, when people say, I'm coming to Canada. I'm like, where are you going? And they're like, I'm coming to Toronto. I'm like, yeah, it's fine. And that's what Marty did. I'm like, yeah, it's fine. It's not Canada's best part. Hit the West Coast. Hit the Maritimes. You want to talk about great Canadian scenery and cuisine and all that kind of fun stuff. And the thing that the Maritimes has better than any place I've ever been in the world, the I'm not going to lie to you, part of the reason why we fell in love with these coasts is my wonderful wife and I, Drop Target Danielle, came out here on our honeymoon. And when you're walking down the street, people literally, if they think you're about to cross the road, they'll slam on the brakes and not only like wave you on to walk across the street, they'll say, oh, how's your day going today? That's nice. The car behind them will stop and I'm waiting for the car behind them to start honking and giving them F-bombs and flipping them the bird. And then the car behind them goes, Oh, how you doing? Nice to see you. I haven't seen you for a while. And they start chatting and I'm like, Oh my, like, it's just like, no one's in a hurry here. The one time I got tailgated in the last three years on the highway, it ended up being a vehicle from Quebec. But to answer Marty's question, we are a landlocked island. So if it weren't for all the dikes that were built by the Dutch, we essentially during high flood season or high tide, I had a, he want pie and parازan or bigger you would get in balloon. Haha. Ooh not уж? This is better. Yeah. This is better. Not gonna get free flowers or dramatic photos or anything right now just some when you're not even in the office. Like I wrote like this in there's one thing I want to say, which is that it got like I really miss the affirmative umpires direction of adversity everyMANA goal to go from not to another side. I think it's kinda and'll a day. So quickly work going a little can't do it with the autoxide that's why you don't I have a straw that goes through the fish netting that I have over my head while I'm wearing a long sleeve and it's like even the no-see-ums can get through the little holes in there anyways and they're biting in. It's a whole thing when you have seven acres of lawn to cut. Wow, I think of a postage stamp, I have out front and I bitch complain like, ah, I gotta do it. Takes 10 minutes. How long does it take you to cut the lawn? Well, probably about three and a half hours. Now, luckily I have like, it's not a John Deere tractor, but it's a John Deere, they call it a lawn tractor. It's basically at the lowest end commercial size thing you'd see at like, not even a golf course level, but like, you know, a fairly high end landscape company or something might have one. So thank God she goes fast. And honestly, I can steer with one hand and I got one hand for the beer. And I do not cut the lawn without a pinball podcast. So I want to thank you for every podcast you ever did on pinball profile, because I've gone back through pinball I was watching some pinball shows on the podcast and I was listening to pinball shows on the podcast or listening to pinball shows on the podcast and I had to re-listen to them again and then I started listening to head-to-head, maybe about a year and a half, two years after it started and now I've got to go back and listen to every one of those episodes so to everyone here listening, if you ever have to cut seven acres of grass or maybe you drive long, go out there and listen to some pinball profile and head-to-head because all those podcasts still exist. Yeah, that is true. Sorry about that. Number one with landscapers. That's a badge we wear. Hey, we suck at the twippies but fucking when it comes to pinball, we suck at the twippies. When it comes to cutting lines, man, look out, alright? Hey, heads up, holla! So here's my last comment about Nova Scotia, because I've just now been looking at some photos of it. When I was looking at the map, I was thinking, oh, it's probably the Tasmania of Canada. Then when I was looking at photos, it is the Tasmania. Like, I think, what is it, Halifax or something? It's like Hobart. It is a beautiful seaside town with, I don't know, architecture and scenery just like Tasmania. So I know Tasmania quite well. So for those Australians listening, this looks like a beautiful place to be. You know what? It is absolutely gorgeous. Halifax is just beautiful. I mean, I'm not going to say it's nicer than Vancouver, but it's certainly smaller and slower. If you only had three days to travel and visit a city, you could do everything you probably wanted to do in Halifax in three days. And there is a couple great arcades there, including my favorite Propeller Arcade, which is in the basement of Propeller Brewing, which is one of the oldest craft breweries in Halifax. But the number one reason why I've been challenged here isn't the bugs, it isn't the goats, it isn't the lawn cutting, it's because there's not a lot of pinball machines in the wild. So during the Fungus 19 shutdowns, what they ended up doing was saying that I wasn't allowed to go up to New Brunswick, the province beside me, which only 45 minutes away from me has like Spin It Records, which has like 15 pins in it. And there's there's zeros and other pinball bar that just opened there that has lots of pinball machines in it. And there's quite a few places bowling alleys and such that have pins in the wild. But for me to play any pinball machines in Halifax, it's about a seven hour round trip because I live right at the border of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick. In short, the only pinball machine I could play during the entire pandemic was Ghostbusters in a town called Toureau an hour and a half from me. And Jeff, I know you're the same for Ghostbusters is real, but I think if you were put in my position where the only way you could play a Modern Stern, because I have no Modernsterns left in Orbeez Arcade, okay, if the only Modernstern you could possibly play in the entire world during like a six or nine month period was Ghostbusters, you would learn to love it like I learned to love it. I would find a new hobby. Stockholm Syndrome. I would find a new hobby. I would not be hitting that. I'm sorry. In fact, I've got some tournaments coming up. Oh, little sneak peek and I've told all the arcades, yeah, if you've got Ghostbusters, it's not being used that night. It's not happening. It's, I'm not traveling to A, B, C and D to play fricking Ghostbusters. For me, Ghostbusters is one of these interesting things. I hated it at first, particularly in tournaments because of how unfair it is with the flipper gap and it hopping over the rails. But over time, I really grew to like Ghostbusters in tournaments because this is the whole thing. And you know, talking about Ryan C, when Ryan C does his tournaments, he sets up his machines brutal, brutal, where it just absolutely saps all the fun out of it. They seemed easy for me. Yeah, whatever. But then you just got to realize, well, everybody else is in the same situation. So it's like with Ghostbusters. Yes, it's painful and yes, it's unfair, but it's unfair for everybody. But there's just something about it that I really like now. And even though pinball prices are still ridiculous, Jeff, just calling it out, no bubble has been burst yet, Ghostbusters goes for extraordinary money at the moment. I didn't say the bubble has burst. It will. But right now that's an example of how stupid people are. Listen, I'm getting two games next week. They were ordered months and months ago. One nine months ago. So that's just the way things are. So people need something now. Trust me. Anyway, Halifax, Nova Scotia, spectacular, gorgeous. In fact, you know, we're talking a lot about Tasmania, Nova Scotia, Canada, Australia. For our American friends, especially in the Pittsburgh area, your Sidney Crosby is from Halifax, Nova Scotia. And the reason I bring up Pittsburgh is because, Orby, you were at Pinburg. I think you were probably at the one that Marty was at, too. And there's a Pittsburgh native there. And he once asked me to do a pinball profile. And it's funny that this episode is airing on 420 on April 20th. And just a coincidence that you're on the show, Orby. I'm just saying. What are you talking about? I do not have a vaporizer in my hand right now. I have no idea what we're talking about. But the, I had somebody ask me to do a show with him about the benefits of smoking pot and playing pinball. And that's something I have never done. And I said, I don't know if I'm the right person for it. But sure enough, on Pinball Nerds, there you were with peaceman Nick. I love returned shows like possession J.H. He had to travel to Pinburg before and basically like couch surf and just I maybe even sleep outside for the night I don't know like he had to do whatever he did and he said I don't want you to do that so come stay at my house. He let me try about 15 different types of cereal he's a cereal connoisseur the way I'm kind of a craft beer connoisseur and of course in the states there they get all these different cereals but no that was great and the craziest part for me I the one part I do remember I do remember some things Jeff on the final day you ran into me and you're like so you qualified for A? I was like, yeah, and you're like, flew a little bit too close to the sun, huh? And I was like, yeah, because I got destroyed like on the second day in a like my first full day being in a division. Oh my god, I just got absolutely destroyed. And I think I finished third last in a and honestly, I probably should have gone to be but what I didn't want to do was, you know, what am I going to do? Like, I wasn't going to sandbag my first Pemberg for God's sake. I mean, I knew I wasn't going to a finals. But also I knew if I got to be finals, and I ran into Marty Robbins, I wasn't going to do very well either. Right. So I think you would have been safe against me. I don't know. I don't know. I saw you play against Joe Stanzik, one of the best players from our London League, and I'm pretty sure you beat him if I remember correctly. I guess that's probably true. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I don't remember. But Pimberg was the time of my life, and I really miss it. And it's strange because I bought this very special pair of shoes, and I said I will not wear these shoes. I'm more of a minimalistic guy than a shopping guy, but I had these really cool Canadian limited edition, a lot of people call them the old man shoes, they're new balance, but I had these special shoes and I said I will not, I told my wife, I will not wear these until Pemberg. They stayed for two years in a box and finally I got to do my very first pinball tournament last fall and I said, F it. You don't know how long you're going to be around. First of all, there's not going to be, probably not going to be Pemberg the way we knew it ever again. George Sarut, éléments Actually Guin Cubr preciso for debit I was like, how did you just, I honestly, on my show, if you listen to the Pinball Nerds podcast right before I went to Pemberg, I thought I would go to maybe, maybe, maybe the bottom end of B, but I thought, no, you're a C guy all day, but if you go to D, it's all good. In the last pinball tournament I just played, David Dennis beat me. You know what I mean? Like I got 16th of 23 players, including like five players who never played before. I had only won twice in like 150 tournaments. Like I didn't expect, you know, that I would get to go to A division, but just getting to be there and getting to see everybody was surreal. I mean, I was like, I was meeting all these pinball legends at once between someone, and I feel bad I should have gone over and said hi to Lyman Sheets, someone pointed him out but I was too nervous to go over and say hi. So I'll tell you right now, if you ever had a pinball explorer somewhere and you see someone who thinks they're one of your pinball heroes, you go over and say hi. And they'll probably just be really nice to you. Most likely. I mean, maybe not if they're in the middle of like, you know, winning a game on, you know, on stage or something. But that was probably one of my biggest pinball regrets, I didn't go say hi to him. But you know, I got to meet tons of different people and I got to interview, I think I I did 67 interviews at Pinball, which was great. They're all just little two-minute ones, but I got to interview people that went on to be designers and then, you know, another gentleman that, you know, a couple other people that are smaller in pinball companies that have got bigger and just, it was the time of my life, except for I was doing probably my most important interview ever with Mr. Jack Danger about 40 feet away from the stage and Mr. Jeff Teolis started talking on the microphone. And Jack Danger was like, just keep talking. Just keep talking. He'll, he'll, he'll, we'll try to, and we tried to get, you can hear it in the, the, you know, so we, we cut it about five minutes short, but still, you know, obviously a division at Pemberg happening is finals is more important than my interview, but honestly, Pemberg was the time of my life and I want to go again. I should have jumped on the mic and said, uh, we're going to get to the finals here. Keith Elwin will win in just a moment here, but Albert's got to finish his interview that he decided to do right beside the main stage with Jack Ganger. Give us a cue Albert when you're done. Yeah. That bad on me for sure But hey it great that you get to go to Pinburg It great you got to see all those people People enjoy your podcast They enjoy your honesty That my favorite thing about you and I known you before we both started podcasting both from the London Ontario Pinball League both from playing And when I speak of your honesty I think everybody who knows you when you listen to the show really hears this person that like all of us has their own flaws but is honest with themselves and is really trying to make yourself better and not be It's no only an面 Languagebikeicient Sp pod correct involved and again원� helm bob C Bar), is just this great melting pot and big tournaments too. I'm sure Yagpin will be like that where you get to see people you haven't seen in a long time especially after the Ian Plague. It's just a wonderful crazy hobby that brings us all together. Karl Defangelo, Pinballinstructor at Spooky Pinball, Franchidisciplinaryartcode.com Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking about this today. It's a hobby that brings together both rich people and let's be honest, poor people or for the most part, people right in the middle, right? So I mean, I've been privileged enough to buy and sell 15 pinball machines. So I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm a poor person. I'm a pinball person, but at the same time, since we moved to Nova Scotia, we lost, like, because of the stupid fungus, we lost our six main cafes that were our kind of cash cows that allowed us to move out here. And it's been hard to replace them on the East Coast, even though we're working on it, we're working on it, we're getting there slowly. But what I wanted to do when I got into pinball podcasting was I kind of just wanted to take the piss out of everybody. So, I mean, I kind of, I wanted to be more like Michael Scott, but I think I ended up being more like Dwight. And you know how Dwight is kind of always like, you know, and I'm I'm going to the office here, so if you haven't seen the office, I'm sorry, but I didn't want to be a person who was saying like five negative things and then the odd time throwing in a positive thing. I wanted to do more like in my previous career as a driving instructor and it was very important, especially when you had a bad driver or an unconfident driver or their first lesson. You had to really say two to three positives before you said a negative, even if the positives you were saying were complete bullshit. So I would say, oh, you're doing a great job with the gas and the brake. Wow, you're doing phenomenal, keeping your chin up and looking in the center of the lane. But when we go around that corner, the goal is to not actually drive over the curb with the back tire. You know, and that's how I wanted to be in pinball. Like, if I'm going to, you know, on one hand, maybe say to a company, you know, it would be really rad if you did this, you know, for instance, the one thing that bothers Ryan C and myself, the one thing that I would say we definitely have in common is if the noises in the game or the sounds in the game are distracting to the gameplay itself, then it takes away from me. If I'm in a big room with like 10 machines going, I don't care. I can get over it. Except if Aerosmith is playing. I can hear that sucker from anywhere. But that's neither here nor there. I think that the people in pinball are really what kind of make it more fun. But for me, as someone who used to lie a lot and was basically, you know, I would get caught all the time. That was a joke between me and my friends. I was kind of like, well, the Albert character from Big Fish who lied a lot. And, you know, I made the fish bigger than it was. It wasn't necessarily outright lying. I eventually watched a show called Lie to Me and decided hey I'd like to try to live by absolute truthism where I'm telling everybody the truth all the time. The problem is like the cashier at the checkout doesn't need to know how bad her hair looks right? Like you have to decide like which okay like if family or friends they've got a big piece of lettuce in their teeth that's where I'm gonna be like hey before you go on stage to accept this award you know or something like I'm gonna tell you about it but I think in my show what I thought was maybe missing from some of the other pinball podcasts was The next question is, how would you put yourself out there? I don't like to talk about news, I don't like to talk about maintaining games, I don't know anything about that. All I really have is my authenticity, all I really have is my honesty or my truth. That's probably the only thing about me that's even remotely charming. I'm virtually unemployable, I am somewhere on the range of being, at least according to several tests I've done, this is a self diagnosis, bipolar. I really am not good with authority. As far as you were talking about with the marijuana before and you never having tried it before you play pinball, I've never tried pinball sober. Today I got up at 450. Now today I didn't have any because I had to drive and I never ever ever would do that while I'm driving. I just I won't have any marijuana, I won't have any beer, I just I don't roll like that, I have kids and other people, it's just not a safe thing to do. But if I'm off to go play pinball, I almost all the time do it and the main reason for it is because I just simply enjoy pinball. J.F. You've just explained why you like Ghostbusters. J.F. No, I like Ghostbusters because the artwork and the colours are awesome. J.F. Bullshit. You're high as a kite. J.F. Yeah. J.F. So I guess the question I want to ask then is, do you find that it helps you play better and why would it help you play better? J.F. I think that it's very similar to beer. And this is the same thing with darts or playing billiards or probably almost anything. You have that range between like, I don't know, depending on how often you drink, three drinks to six drinks where you're like, wow, I think I'm a little more confident, you know, I'm a little bit more calm. It definitely calms me down. I can, if I'm at home playing and I have to go to work or something later, I will get mad at the machine and throw it and get angry and scream horrible things. If I've had a little bit of marijuana, I am calm as a peanut. I don't care. I just do little gentle nudges. I am more afraid of the ball going down because I don't want to get ashamed I don't even care. Like if I'm playing pinball, if I go play pinball first thing in the morning, it doesn't even, you know, I do think it helps you zone in a little bit. It does help you get inside your own head and, you know, kind of bubble out everything else. But it's the identical to people who probably, I typically only drink on the weekends and it's kind of the same thing, right? Like for other people, I know that they drink more often, but I played pinball sober and I enjoy it. I still think it's really fun. I just know tournament wise for me, all the times I've done very well, I've either I've never been in the range of, you know, three to five beers and a little bit of marijuana or just sometimes marijuana if I'm driving, of course. And I don't know, I just enjoy it better. I guess the problem is I just, I do it all the time. So why would I not do it while I'm playing pinball, right? No, I understand that. And I guess the parallel for me, obviously, gin related, probably the one of the most enjoyable tournaments where I did actually really well was the Australian Championship Series in Adelaide. And what I managed to do was Marty Papadiuk, Black Water, person's name or role at Stern Pinballedsiębior, person's name or title or abbreviation for Retro Atconomic Sam Durcelski Stop part of company bz I'm not pointingfingers at anywhere, but, you know, there are places around the world where pot is legal and has a lot of value. The country of Canada? Uh, hmm, I wonder if there's a coincidence to all the amazing players in Colorado. That's a state that's had that law for a while. But I'm just saying there might be something to it. Can I just say, I still remember, and you can narrow it down because there hasn't been that many, but there was a tournament that I went to, a very large tournament in California. And I was just really surprised. Obviously I come from a country where it's completely illegal. And I just remember walking around saying, isn't that marijuana? It was everywhere. Were you wearing your narc hat again, Marty? No, obviously I just went, this is a bit bizarre, but obviously it's legalized. But that's just very alien to me. Yeah. I mean, my main thing is I don't want people to mistake me. I think you need to wait until you're of legal age in the country that you're in or wait until you're I'm not going to say that's the only way you can play because I know there's a lot of people who, you know, they need their caffeine to play. They bring two or three pops or they bring up an extra large coffee or they're a teetotaler, right? Cole Levanduski Karl De Karl De alredes It's not like you can avoid it, come on, to be honest. So, are you going to get back to anything else other than Yegpin? I know you have a lot of fans all across Canada, definitely the States, probably outside as well. I mean, you've been doing the podcast for a long time. Thank you. I will say one of the things that really got me excited to continue to do it, Jeff, was that you, and if you want to take this out, I'm totally okay with that. I'm not a professional comedian. Yep. Yep. You know on the planet and here you are listening to me just wax poetic or at least I'm trying to from time to time and I Actually think of all the podcasts I've done. I've done like a good solid dozen that are like clean neat tidy I'm going to be a little bit more stoic and a little bit more calm and add in a little bit less day-to-day, a little bit more about pinball. I'm also just going to record whenever I want to. I was dealing with, unfortunately, my head cock, Larry, passed away. He was the only male left in our chicken flock and he unfortunately, he had a foot thing. It doesn't matter. I was a little bit nervous, but I was going to be back with a new show. I just said to Daniel, I said, anytime I don't feel like doing a show, I won't do a show. Now that being said, part of my plan, I don't want to use your show here to, you know, give you guys spill the tea per se, but I might as well because you've got a much bigger audience than me. At Show 500 I wanted to and still would like to, which is 8 away, I would like to switch over to doing video. Now that being said, I might even revert to doing some audio and still some video because I think a lot of what I do is actually way more entertaining. Like when I'm taking you guys quite often on the Pinball Nerds Podcast, I'll bring the phone with me and not even record through the snowball and you can hear me walking through the mud getting the maple sap or you can hear me You can hear all the bees around me or you can hear me with the goats and that stuff would look so good visually and it would stick around. I think it would have longer staying power on YouTube. Now, that being said, video content you have to edit. Video content you have to worry about way more things than with a podcast in many ways especially the way that I've podcast but that being said, I think I'm ready to take the jump. My son's done some video editing and I would like to give it a try but very worst case scenario. Thank you Elon Musk. We're going to get Starlink and I will be able to livestream pinball someday again. So in the next, I've said this before, but the next year I would really like to purchase my first new in box pinball machine. Don't know what it's going to be yet. Mind you, I will tell you that if for some reason it was Back to the Future, that would be really cool. Now, I could only ever afford a pro probably, but geez, I mean, now there's also the most beautiful machine ever made, Centaur. I don't know. They might be remaking this or something. I don't know, so there's, you know, there's options out there. There's options out there. My money is not locked into anywhere yet. I would buy a remake of Centaur in a heartbeat. I think that is an absolutely gorge machine. If they ever did a 2.0 code, which seems to be the hot thing. Just saying, Marty, I'm putting my vote in. I'm out of it. I don't know what you're talking about. Nope. Anyway, you got two sales right there. Just pass along, Damien, if that's ever in the books. But just to put things into perspective here, to do this podcast tonight, which we're doing across Skype, Albert had to email every single person in Nova Scotia and ask them to be offline for an hour just so this broadcast could happen. That's the dedication that he has to pinball podcasting. We do appreciate it. And you're humble about your podcasts, but 500, I mean, that's a big, big deal. And I do enjoy the variety. I enjoy the fact that how do you come up with 500 different topics as a solo host? You know, whatever I do on I've got somebody with me. It's not me by myself. You are, for most of them, by yourself. That's pretty incredible. Well, thank you so much, Jeff. I had absolutely no clue I would get to that many. It's, like I said, it started kind of as a joke. The only thing that keeps me going is getting feedback. You know, Tim the Lion Man, Lee, one of my fellow tribe members there in the Poor Men's Pinball tribe, Glenn the Skateboarder, those guys, sometimes they, I think they're going to give up on me. Sometimes they'll message me every day for a week and I won't, I won't be able to get them to come back. Ad京 isso I'll be honest, I only got about 150 to 250 listens, especially if I wasn't doing an interview. And that being said, you know, you're releasing several times a week, it's probably okay. But those people who did listen, they listened very intently. And I could look at my stats on the podcast app Anchor that I use, and it would show me that like, you know, some episodes when I started wandering off too far from pinball, yes, they would tag off, but quite often, people stuck it right out to the end. I haven't listened, I've maybe listened to about 20 of them and I'm not suggesting people go back and listen to any of them but that being said the 20 that I thought that were the most negative I deleted all in one fell swoop and got rid of them so I think like everything up to about episode wherever they are now is fine it's they're okay but my favorite thing to do is to do like what I got to do with you Jeff on pinball profile a couple years and chat like this or with any of the other you know my podcasting buddies or even if we're not recording on Just shoot the Shats with David Dennis at a pinball tournament or Tom McArthur, our awesome tournament director. My favorite thing about Yagpin is, again, some people say you can't go to a pinball tournament, play the tournament and enjoy your time there. Bull crap. You can go to a pinball tournament, play in the tournament, do well and have a great time catching up with people. It's more challenging of course if you're in like a whopper farm with like nine tournaments, but you can do it and I think Jeff you're a good example of that. You go to a lot of these tournaments and I hear you, you know, you get to catch up with a lot of these people when you go to the tournaments and I'm a little jealous. Probably Martin is too. He's sitting there going, geez, it'd be nice if we could, so hopefully I get to meet Marty at, I don't know, maybe TPF or Indus next year or something like that, wherever you go. And Jeff, you'll be at every pinball tournament I possibly ever come to. Everyone. Everyone. Single one. Orby, we will catch you on Pinball Nerds coming up to 500, maybe a video show. Don't let David Dennis beat you again. Come on, man. That's just a no-no. David Dennis, you will never beat me again. Good. Take that. I'm just kidding. I will say this. The line that I wanted to say, the only line I thought of saying tonight I didn't say at the start, and I should have, was that when you guys messaged me to be on the final round, I honestly was more surprised than if Christopher Franchi and Gary Stern pulled up right now in a DeLorean C Bar),pin, and gave me a Back to the Future LE one of one, Orbeez special, it's way out there. You know, like I'm telling you because I'm thinking of the caliber guests that you guys have on there and I just didn't think that in a million years you guys would, you know, want to have me on the show. So thank you so much. And you know, after I was on TPN before, so I wasn't 100% sure if I would be welcomed back. So, and I was and I really appreciate it. John Papadiuk, Black Water, Personnalist, and Interpreter, SpookyPinballTextile.com Come on. You guys rock. John Papadiuk, Black Water, Personnalist, and Interpreter, SpookyPinballTextile.com Hold on a second. Hey Marty, we're not cutting this out. So, what do you think? Do you think that's what we should do? Do we just say, here's what we're doing, take it or leave it? No, absolutely. It was our very brief discussion we had about the format of our show with the TPN committee. We basically said, we will do it if we're given free rein. And they're like, absolutely, that's what we want. So, there you go. It's not to be a dick or anything like that, and people may like it or not, based on Twippies, they fucking hate it. You're the only guy who listens to the show apparently, Orby. I voted for you guys number one in the Twippies by the way. Thank you. You mailed it into the wrong place, I'll tell you that. Yeah. Anyway, thanks, Orby. We appreciate that. But no, I mean, listen, TPN is great. It has great diversity. We enjoyed when you were on it. And I don't think there's any ill will, certainly not on our part. And I've never heard anything from anyone either. So... No, I didn't. I was kind of just joking. I didn't think so. Yeah, no. But I just felt like I didn't put my best foot forward, like with doing the top three with Orby. And I kind of wish I either had a co-host The I just wish I had gone at it a different, you know, but you know There's the future could come who knows I still have video like I told you guys I'm hoping to do that. I want to get back to live streaming. Thanks to Elon Musk. That would be great Yeah, so but more importantly every extra penny that I have is not going to be spent on me getting pinball machines Every penny I have is going to be spent to make sure like, you know I don't have that much extra free spending money. I want to go to in disc. I want to go to Yagpin I want to go to TPF. I want to go to Expo. I want to go to the whopper farms district 82 I've never even seen it yet, right? So I want to go to all these different places and each year I think it's going to be fun for me to plan out maybe one big tournament in the States and one big tournament in Canada and get to see all my pinball nerd buddies and that to me is way cooler than having a pinball arcade full of machines. Well, Orby, we look forward to it and by the way when I sent Zach Many a note saying hey, we're doing a final round episode with Orby we want it released on 420. He said that is awesome. So again, I don't think there's any ill will. All the best my friend. I will see you this summer and look forward to listening to you. I love it. And Jeff, just because you're top 100, don't think I'm going to let you beat me at Yagpin. The way I'm playing you, that's a safe bet. Alright. Thanks so much guys. Marty, great to finally chat with you. Yeah, you too man. Have a good night guys. Thanks Albert. So there we go. There was orbital Orby Albert Agar. What did we learn Jeff? Good to have him back. I like the guy a lot. Feel sorry that he's so close to David Dennis. That's a tough one. I mean, I would have probably given the realtor shit on that. Yeah, yeah. And did you hear him hype up Back to the Future? Is that really the license that everyone's seeking now? Look, I think it is. People have been wanting that game for a very long time and it's the Grail theme for a lot of people. Me? I'm probably a little bit soured by the Data East version which just isn't that awesome. Loved the first movie, loved the second movie, the third movie I wish they'd never done. Okay, I just watched the first movie again. I remember seeing it back in 85. It's okay. It's all right. Maybe I'm missing something. I think I'm still missing it. Oh, okay. I thought you were gonna say, but now I love it. Okay, fair enough. No, I loved it when it came out. I'm not saying it wouldn't make a great pinball machine because I think it would. Trust me, it would. People say the same thing about Goonies. I don't get that movie. Ghostbusters, funny movie, good movie. I see why that made sense. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles People wanted that game to come out and it came out. It did nothing for me, but you know people certainly enjoy that game I'm I did nothing for me, but I think TMNT is a great thing for people. Okay music pins Led Zeppelin does nothing for you. Rush probably does nothing for you as far as the theme. Yep Iron Maiden, we saw how many people didn't give a shit about that. My whole point of this is it doesn't matter what the fucking theme is The main reason why I'm not a fan of pinball is because if it's a good game, does theme really matter? What license theme matters for is to help advance sales with a already built-in fan base group. It might make people go, oh, look at that in an arcade. Here's my quarters. But it's the second set of quarters and dollars and things like that are all dependent on how good the game is. You're absolutely right, but there's a critical piece in all of this. It's not about the theme, because whether it's original or whether it's a paid license, that obviously gets the initial numbers. But really what it is, it's theme integration. It is how you use that theme to tell a story, to create modes, to help you progress through the game, to give you callouts or light shows, to let you Simon Pasek, and I guess I think it's an a different way of Um, well, Rush for example, right? I am not interested in Rush whatsoever, but the more I watch it, because I still haven't played it, I think they've integrated that theme really well. They've used good music that sets a good soundtrack around you. They've got good callouts. They've got good modes around the songs. That's what I think makes a good game. Weird Al would have good theme integration. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, okay. I would say Aerosmith, not interested in the band at all. I think it's a terrible thing, but how they animated the band members, how they integrated the different songs to create distinctive modes, how they used the toys to integrate with the songs. I think that is where theme integration totally takes a pretty average license and turns it good. Some of the biggest games of all time, Attack from Mars, Medieval Madness, you know, I think of games like Stargazer that are a player's dream game with all those three spinners. No license themes there, but good theme integration. So I get your point. Yep. But again, it's selling that fan base right now. That's why everyone, I guess, wants to have a license. And I think our consumers are being a little jaded that if it doesn't If you don't have a license, it cannot be a good game and I disagree absolutely that. I just don't think that is possible. That has nothing to do with whether the game is good or not. It does matter how well it might do on an arcade. I'll give you that. Yeah yeah again I agree But again it just comes down to how a good game is a good game It got to have a good layout It got to have good art It got to have good audio It got to have good rules If you don tie the band to that then I think it going to suffer And though I not played it so you can discount my opinion from here if you want Moss you wan crying knight Why a that point why not to Haus Se furf volts ur an off G I think that what i less say what been saying about Led Zeppelin in that it a I say it it a great theme Okay Led Zeppelin is a very well band with an extraordinary catalog It it should be a slam dunk The integration of that theme wasn awesome because they didn do great art They didn necessarily do good songs that really stand out as individuals linked to the songs Am I wrong in saying that I think it's all about the playfield. If it wasn't for the rules, Led Zeppelin would... I love Steve Ritchie. Steve, please don't listen to this episode. Please do not listen to this episode. I love Steve Ritchie. I think you're safe. Steve knows how much I feel. I saw him at Texas. That is one of his worst designs. And he has said he had things taken out, so there you go. There is the electric magic spinner in that. I'm not going to be a pinball player in that. That is a very cool toy and gimmick, one that I have had turned off on my machine for 10 plus months because it gets in the way of how you actually play the game. But it's fun for novices and stuff to rip the spinner. By the way, it's got one of the greatest sounds ever when you rip that. But it just, if the whole game and the code is based on getting combos and this thing pops up in the middle of the playfield and stops you from hitting possible shots, I want nothing to do with it. I don't know where this is going to go so it may either prove what I'm saying or disprove it but what's it called the magic something spinner? Electric Magic. ElectricMagic. So how does that particular toy tie into the Led Zeppelin thing? There was a famous tour called the ElectricMagic tour. That's it. That's all it is. So that's it. So the spinner itself is a thing that pops up, spins and goes back down. How is that integrated? How does that tell a story in itself? You know what I mean? It doesn't. I'll go back to Aerosmith where there's toys in the attic. You've got a toy box with a jester on top of it. That's theme integration. That is just an element that has been given the name from a Led Zeppelin thing. Yeah. Rush has the Time Machine, which is a famous tour of theirs. If you look at their I think it is you right the integration is definitely there, there is the roll of the bones which is named after an album when you go into the scoops and it gives you a roll of the bones, it rolls the dice to give you what your mystery is. I get all that, it is good. Yeah, it is going to have purpose is what I am saying, purpose that is linked to the theme, not just purpose because it exists and then a name put to it. Godzilla, you got a building coming down, you got a bridge collapsing, you have got jet allies, it all makes sense, right? Yeah. Mandalorian, that looks pretty good with a razor Crest and things there. Makes sense. Jurassic Park, of course you've got the big dinosaur. Yep. Guardians has the big Groot, all good integration. So these are well done. But again, these are all very attractive things when you're at an arcade and you see that title. Oh my god, I love that. Like, I love Spinal Tap. I will not buy the SpinalTap game unless I play it and I really fall in love with it, but I'll definitely put a quarter in it or I'll flip it because I want to see this. You know, when it's at Texas Pinball Festival, it's kind of a remodeled Flash Gordon and they've done a really good job. There's an LCD screen, they've got movie clips in there. You know, when the game's working, it's fun, fun, fun to play. If the home pin's like that, okay, maybe, but you've got to be a, I'm a diehard Zeppelin fan. I've been waiting for this game that I realize isn't super fun except for the code. The code is spectacular. I still play the game, but I can see novices not enjoying this game. That being said, as we lead into what the last two weeks have been like, I've got a couple of new games coming in, Marty. I haven't even told you. I know you do. Well, you just mentioned that one that you've been waiting for nine months. I'm going to assume that that's Avengers. The Avengers Infinity Quest I used through my Stern rewards program and it's the premium. I actually like the pro just as much. The premium, it was a good deal and of course you get the Subway, you get Doctor Strange coming up, you've got the different Captain Marvel shot. It'll be my first Elwyn game and I would have them all because they're all great but it's a theme my son certainly likes. He likes the Marvel movies so looking forward to getting that and learning it because it's a pretty deep game. I know Ryan didn't have a lot of fun with it, didn't like the callouts, I'll give you that. But it should shoot well and I'm getting another game. Now, let me guess what that is. I reckon it's a game that you told me you're getting about five minutes before we started recording. Am I right so far? That was an hour ago, so yes. Legends of Valhalla. Finally, it's coming in. Yeah, it's good. So I don't know how many are in Canada. It might be the first one, but It'll be fun. It'll be fun for some of the league players to get to play that in the next few weeks when I host three weeks from now. So I'm looking forward to it. I probably will have the sound turned up a little bit. I don't know why that would be but Hey, it's it's yep. I've played it at Texas. I played it at Expo and I really enjoyed it. I might have even I stopped by American Pinball on my way to Wisconsin. I had a busy week. Yeah, okay. Do you want to know about it or no? What about you? Let's go to you. What's your week been like? My week has been the same as previous weeks, just obviously working on Fathom and getting it close to getting in a box, which is so close. We appreciate that. You're taking time away right now from working at Haggis to do this Subtitulde'8 That was my one that I got from, what is that place in LA? Universal? Universal Studios. How long was the lineup? Very long. To go on the actual Harry Potter ride, I think we waited in queue maybe an hour and forty minutes. That's for a ride though, I get that. You're not alone there. How long was the lineup for the store? Half an hour. Oh yeah, that's worth it. That's livable. That's livable. But yeah, no, I will get onto the secrets of Dumbledore, don't you worry. But no, as we said before, it's Easter. It's a really nice day here. I'm enjoying talking to you. I could think of nothing better except complete side note, and this has got nothing to do with pinball, guys. So fast forward three minutes. I'm getting obsessed with AI at the moment to do with, there's a couple of things. GPT-4 is just about to be released. This is the AI that you can see. Just type in GPT-3 or GPT-4 into YouTube and you'll see these chatbots talking to you like these GPT-4, GPT-3 is the current one. But I've just gone into a massive rabbit hole. It's called DALI. D-A-double-L apostrophe E, which is a combination of Wall-E, the robot, and DALI, the artist, where you can now type in text and then it draws a In Wall Street Device qualcosa when you click on merch in all social media tablets on your computer Monét and it creates a picture that is phenomenal and multiple versions of it. This is what AI is and I'm obsessed with it at the moment. That's been my week. Well, sorry Randy Martinez, ZombieYeti, Christopher Franchi, all you pinball artists. GPT-3 is the new creators of art according to Marty. GPT-3, this is generative pre-trained transformer, correct? Sure. An autoregressive language model that uses deep learning to produce human-like text. Yep. And so now they've used that sort of, I guess it's AI code to now be able to create art. So you could say, and you know, maybe this will happen for Haggis in the future, pinball art insert theme in the style of Christopher Franchi. Go. My goodness. You know what I mean? Okay. So, there you go guys. Look, the other thing I want to talk about is, I know you've got your pinball machines that are coming out and... I want to talk about Toy Story. Because it comes back to the conversation we were talking about theme integration, right? First of all, do you think Toy Story is a great theme for pinball? Do I think... Just in context for those people that don't know, it has been rumoured for a very long time. I've been thinking about it for a long time. In fact, I looked it up. I was told by somebody very much in the know at Jersey Jack on the 3rd of December 2016 that Toy Story was coming, that long ago. So apparently it is about to be announced. We don't know when. So back to my first question. Do you think Toy Story is a great theme? And second of all, what would you want from that theme as far as integration goes? I'll give you the second answer first. Okay. You have to have a lot of the assets. You have to have unique callouts. You have to have the proper voice actors because unfortunately, knockoffs will be Guardians of the galaxy, Boblybo, Boblybo, that kind of stuff. It's got to be the real thing because they're just too iconic. So that's the need for your second question to be effective. But when it comes to themes, I think pinball designers and coders, these licensed themes, especially iconic ones like Toy Story, I think they're actually handcuffed by the fact that everyone knows where the story goes, what it's supposed to do, and that it has a finite end. I think if it is in the world of Toy Story and the creators can do whatever they want with it, using Woody, using Buzz, all these other things, I think that,üd, C Bar
pinballvenue in the background, C BarЗЫКАpinballmooth as opposed to feeling like I'm watching a movie in its sequences. Yeah. I think the pinball player thinks they know what they want. And they want it to be just like Back to the Future, just like Jurassic Park, just like Toy Story. But if it's got that same feel and you're in the world of it and it goes into a place you don't know like Jurassic Park, I think it's a better game. Yeah. I agree. I mean, you, it was sort of what you were saying before, like we already know the story of Toy Story. We already know the story of Jurassic Park. Free four person mode at cine Expon ketos150.com. To get things WONDER ext Desde office drinks, Getدblspick' Neco Sprinkle' in your pocket until tomorrow. The coaster Store Oct上치keye and Come to Wish affected by The alternative List — I think that's going to be like, you don't know. Yeah. We like to be surprised. I think so. And how great is it for a whole new story? You love that world. Now you're getting a different world. I think it's, yeah, I like the idea of it. And again, I think the creative minds in pinball, and there are a lot of them, would have a field day with this versus how many times have you heard designers and coders say, well, we were handcuffed. We weren't allowed to do this. We weren't allowed to do this. That just kills the creative buzz. Yeah. So it really, again, it depends on the license holder themselves and how tight they are with how things need to look or whether you've got someone like Slash from Guns N' Roses that's like, well, I actually, I'm a pinball head. Let's go crazy with this stuff. That's when it works. And then you've got Star Wars when it doesn't work. Yeah. So, well, that's just, that's just true. But, but again, going back to Toy Story, I think you've got to have, you've got to have toys in the game. You know what I mean? Like you've got to have toys and I think you've got to have a lot of them. But they've also got to have a purpose. Coming back to my theme integration thing. Well, what toys would you have in there? Well, you'd obviously have, you'd have to have Buzz and you'd have to have, what's his name? Woody. But they're not Bash toys, are they? I mean, what are they doing? They're just on there? I mean, what's the, what's the toy? Is it Pizza Planet? I don't, I don't know. This is what I'm saying. Is it Zerg? Or whatever the evil guy, is that his name, Zerg? It could be like a clawgame, you know, where you get those three-eyed little creatures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine that. That would be cool. It would be cool. It comes back to what you were saying before. There's a lot of expectation around this theme. How can you satisfy everybody's needs when it becomes the homer mobile because everybody wants everything and then you've got this monster. You know what I mean? Don't you diss the homer mobile. Are you kidding? My big gulp drinks, I've yet to find a cup I'm a pinball holder in any car that will fit my drinks. Anyway, so there you go. That's really I guess the imminent news that we're hearing is that. But the other thing sort of Jersey Jack related and I – are you a top or a bottom? Are you a topper guy is what I'm asking. Am I a topper guy? Not to purchase, no. Do I think they look nice? Some yes, many no. If it comes with the game you're happy, but if you have to buy it separately, you're not bothered. I think the Zeppelin one looks pretty cool, and I have an LE. I still won't buy the thing. Yeah, okay. The reason I'm bringing that up is that Elite Pinball Toppers who came out, I don't know how long ago it was, but they had that Indiana Jones topper that was, you know, spectacular. Expensive, but spectacular. Have you seen their Pirates of the Caribbean topper that's just been announced? Yes I have, I saw it on Knapp Arcade. OMG. It's amazing. It is. And it's not just that it's obviously the Kraken and its arms move and the ocean moves and you've obviously got the screen behind it. It's not necessarily that. It's the detail. When you zoom in and you look at how they've painted these things, it is absolute craft. It really is. Yeah. $2500. Sorry, I can buy games for $2,500. Well, you can't because the bubble hasn't burst. I can buy games for $2,500. Nice try. Yeah, no, I know what you mean. But they're only going to sell 100 of them. They only want to sell, that's all that they're making. They'll sell out for sure, 100. That's the gimmick. Sorry, that is the gimmick. They should sell 200 and they'll still sell $2,500. Although I don't know how many of those games are out there, but still, You have people buy the toppers without the games. People, especially like the Black Knight topper. I don't have a Black Knight. I'll get one eventually, but that topper, that the head moves, like that is one of the greatest toppers. To me, the toppers that stand out the most are that one and Attack from Mars from Chicago Gaming. That one was really cool. Other ones I could live without, but this one, this one's pretty cool. But again, is it worth $2,500 or is it worth $2,500 because only making a hundred of them? He comes in, and confirming a little bit andainenlar gives a report inf bene I white the Something here God, seriously? If anyone can make a living at a pinball, fantastic. I want Mrs. Pin to get like a... Dr. Pin, if you're listening, get that woman the greatest 3D printer ever and you can quit your little doctor job, alright? She doesn't have to be refraining from swearing to the little children she teaches and she can retire making great toppers. That's what I'd like to see her do because this is, you know, she has that creative mind and I've seen her make some good toppers. I'd like to see her do something like that and just see how far she could take this. I'm telling you if Mrs. Pin put out, okay, we're only making a hundred of these for for Rush or whatever the game is. I'm telling you, they sell out. They would! Yeah, for sure. I absolutely agree. But they've got to also license these things, I guess. How dare you. Well, but they wouldn't that that that topper for Pirates of the Caribbean wouldn't need any licensing because there's no branding on it. It's just the Kraken tentacles, the Karl Dedrivingo, etc. Karl DeJaredo, etc. Karl destanbulo, etc. Karl deÿÿo, etc. Karl deSaraho, etc. worli LINKEpause to sign par Quebec Sweetpie annexed Langland Noríke licence, horichigigimane, to foukaybleepoksips, the to u f ko I didn't see Ian. Maybe he was outside greeting people. No, there were a few people that got it, but I guess everyone's doing well. And hey, this has nothing to do with District 82. The same thing happened at Texas Pinball Festival. A lot of people came back with it. That's kind of what happens when a lot of people, especially in the pinball community, gather together. And we've got this whatever variant out there and masks are not necessarily mandatory. It's going to happen. You just deal with it. Hopefully you're protected. The actual venue, a lot of people have seen on Fox Cities Pinball, which you can see on the Pinball Network. Tom Graff does a great job there. Eric Thorne has this wonderful location. It's, let me think, one, two, two major big, big rooms, then two kind of side rooms of pinball action, 100 plus machines. So forget the tournaments. If you were just to go there and play, here's my $25, play away. But there's a lot of tournaments that are going on as well.○◇ Knapp��들 thrive non Terry beep r 然後?, lokalkniyertnovataiacp combining Snappخرpunynote, slignappiynopUCy Coconutifyِ, Huey هسئن horm h ForceYш inhale6 gewesen'testh深usement I didn't realize that District 82, as big as it is here in North America, certainly the States, but even in Canada too, has made it international, so to speak, and people knew about it in Australia. Well, do you know whether he was over there to go and see the Masters, the golf? Well, I would say no, he wasn't because it was the exact same time as the tournament. So, the Masters was a Thursday through Sunday tournament and this tournament was Friday through Saturday. I think he told me he started off in California as that's the easy stop from Australia and then to fly to basically the Midwest. Yeah, no, I asked that because I thought that would have made more sense from a round trip, go there, see the Masters because he's a massive golfer and play in a pinball tournament. Yeah, I know because most of those golf tournaments are weekends and most tournaments are weekends too, so no, but I know he had a good time. I had a great time. I played worth a shit, but when you have that many great players there, oh boy, fun, fun place. You know, you see places like this. I went to Fulda, I went to Bowls and Balls and of course Freddy's and some of these places in Germany. The Boras Open in Sweden is another place. Brisbane Masters is going to be similar to that, but this is the thing now, right, is let's pack a bunch of things into weekends and have just this big whopper fest, you know, burnout, play 12, 15 hours a day for Knappamour fun, light trigger, the C Bar),pinball, Franchihales, and many of them are just simply tournaments now. Yeah, makes sense. They've got to evolve. And as we saw with New Robert Englunds, they either say we're not part of IFPA anymore and continue doing what they do or they change to be a part of it. It's a turning point. You know what I mean? It's a crossroads. They have to make a decision based on the new rules. I do know arcades are probably dependent of leagues because it's harder for them to maybe hold tournaments and shun the regular so a league night would be very important to them important for the Stern Army so it's going to be interesting to see how how these develop if you don't care about whoppers everything is status quo if you do care about them these leagues will probably have to adjust a little bit but speaking of arcades I at the end of I'm not going to bring that up. You know, what happened between Keith and I, I'm just going to leave it. I don't tell you this to make content on this podcast. That's just... The stuff that happened between me and Keith, well, we've decided to keep it as a private matter. There's still a lot of love there. I know he cares for me deeply, but the details of it, yeah, we're just not going to talk about. No. We'll just let that one lie. We may have played a few games, but it doesn't really matter what happened. I mean, I, I, we did it just for the fun of it and, uh, yeah. How, how much did you lose? I don't want to talk about it. Of course not. Because I beat him three out of four games. So suck that Marty. Yeah. Okay. Three out of four, including one called, Oh, I don't know. Godzilla. You know what? Kate does a lot of charity work. So I don't think he gave a shit. Listen, this is what does he got to prove? He's like, you know what? I'm going to throw the game. That's a good point. Give those people their moment. That's a good point. Yeah. Actually, I went first and I said, Keith, I don't care how much this cost me, just teach me how to play your game. And he goes, you know, what's so hard about it? And I'm like, listen, I do a podcast with Marty. He's not a big fan of this game, so you got to convince me that this is a good game so I can pass along to Marty. He goes, what does he like? He goes, he just slips and gets points, doesn't really know what's going on or what the big wow moments are. So, so teach me how to play your game. And I'm like, well, I'm going to throw the game. I'm going to throw the game. I do a podcast with Marty. He's not a big fan of this game, so you got to convince me that this is a good game so I can pass along to Marty. He goes, what does he like? He goes, he just slips and gets points, doesn't really know what's going on or what the big wow moments are. So, so teach me. And he did. And, you know, you start off with both ramps and then you get into the scoop and you start your little, uh, your little battle. And, uh, I always pick the third one down. I don't know what the character's names are, but the one where you basically have to the ramps. And he said, yeah, you can do that. I was like oh okay where should I go And he goes my favorite line he goes do you think I have a simple path where just do this one thing and that how you beat the game His point was there are lots of ways you can beat the game but what he liked to do was do whatever the first one was and that the three steps Karl DeAngelo amazing to copy older each one is written using all the print image available at both GoodBall, Hercule P, Stantine Sch 말 book. With most of my computers and gear, they use both. The next thing you saw the code change and those loops weren't worth much and it was a risky shot so why bother? Which I think they should have kept in because it's a risky shot so make it worth something. Yeah. Anyway, 4 for 4 with that guy with his games. I said, what do you want to play, Keith? Losers pick? And he picked Kiss. I destroyed the shit out of it. This is at Logan Arcade. Didn't quite get the GC, got the one right underneath it. Oh my goodness. I blew it up. But again, I think it was because at District82 I played their kiss a couple times. Tighter settings, so I had been beaten up on the weekend. So when I played this one, it was like, oh wow, I was like playing with the glass off. So maybe that was it. Then Centaur, you and Albert and I were talking about that. We played Centaur. I think I had two million after one ball. I was just on fire and I love that game. So and then he got me on. It's alright. He got me on Shaq Attack. There are no winners on that game. Well, that was the thing. It was like you had a choice of picking an extra ball or picking 5,000 points. We would pick 5,000 points so we didn't have to play it again. So it was the first to lose kind of one. So technically I was 4 for 4. Yeah, fair enough. Anyway, it was fun. That was good. So, so good. Are you possibly going to be doing some travel again soon? Yes, are you reading up on pinball profile? I might be. There might be a smaller tour being planned starting in June. I don't want to reveal, I'll, I'll, listen, there's some dates that are falling into place. Basically what you're saying is when you announce it, you won't shut the fuck up about it, so when that time's right, sure, I get it, I understand. The last time I did one, it was a world tour because I was in Canada, I was in the States, I was in Denmark, and I was in Australia. This will not be a world tour. This will be a played in America tour. There, the reveal. It's pretty big. It's actually bigger than the other one. Just hammering out all the details, the locations, the sponsors, all that kind of fun stuff, but we start in June. You know what it was? I was looking at my travel plans with family, with pinball, all that kind of stuff. I was like, hmm, I could get a few of these pinball things in. I found about seven. I was like, oh, that's almost the makings of a road trip or a tour. So I just have to add a few and there you go. Talked to a lot of people at TPF and a few on the phone and it looks like we're set to go. So watch for that on Pinball Profile and I'm sure I'll brag about it here on Final Round. It's not unlike me to do so. C Bar),pin, C R R A N T I E D. Yes, but we talked about this earlier and we're going to get into this. The secrets of Dumbledore. You are doing this podcast and not seeing that. I want to know more about that, but right now we got to make some money. It's time for our sponsor of the week. It promises to be the biggest summer ever on both the big and small screen. Dramatic conclusions to series like Stranger Things, Better Call Saul and Ozark. Plus, new shows like Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Boys Season 3. On the big screen, there's the new Top Gun and Jurassic World films. Plus, superhero flicks Doctor Strange 2 and Love and Thunder. So much good cinema I can't wait to see. But there's one thing you need to do first, before all these are released. Un-friend everyone. You can't risk spoilers. People and their big mouths will fuck it up for everyone. You know that certain jackass that posts, I'm not gonna say anything, but be prepared to cry. You asshole! We can put two and two together and realize someone will die. Avoid that person in your life who quote, just want to let you know to save your money, don't go see the movie you've been waiting several years for. Go off the grid this summer. Talk to no one. Stay off the net. Don't read texts. Don't answer the phone. But what about that person who says, all I'm gonna say is... Nothing! Shut your mouth! All people who spoil on social media will be vilified on final round in a public display of shame. Shame! This has been a public service message and your final warning. Marty, I still am shocked that you're here doing this podcast when the latest What if the biggest crumbs of Harry Potter are in the theatre and you're not going to see it? Why? Um, the honest answer is because... Can't find your wand. No, because I don't go to the cinema anymore. Because of your massive theatre room? Because I've got my own cinema at home. So, the honest answer is I'm waiting for the appropriate version to be able to watch it. Mark yem Monkey nervously satisfied�� mö Sitec으니까 injectionscillands자가 SAT to make au coup also. Half kwhly70 and an Matrix�심 löškov alone. The only purpose he would use is theUUIIIII and I have been the UUUM They haven't been as great as the Harry Potter ones, but for Potterheads like me that just want more content, I gladly welcome them. They're fine. They're good. They're okay. They're there. They're not terrible. It's not like they're, you know, it's not like Matrix Resurrections. Oh my God. Oh my God, it makes me just feel dirty even talking about it. I still haven't watched the end of it and I won't. Don't ever. It is just. It's just so just soul destroying even knowing that it exists. Hey, wasn't Jada Pinkett in that? She was. She was. She was the old lady in it. Yes, she was. She looked a lot like G.I. Jane in that. Did you notice that? Stop. What did I say? Stop. Oh, stop it. That's terrible. Because she didn't. So you're just making that joke because you want to talk about the Will Smith slap again because you know how much it gets my blood. I'm not a Potterhead. That was a book that was mentioned in the Harry Potter books, correct? The Fantastic Beasts? Is that how it works? Yeah, I think, yeah, one of, yeah, yeah, probably. Okay. Glad I've got a potter head here on to explain everything for you. What I do know is, listen, after seven movies and a cash cow, they wanted to know where this can go. I mean, they've done the theme parks, they've sold wands to, you know, unsuspecting tools. They've got a lot of the money, but what else can they do? Well, they've done the theater show that they, people can buy tickets for and then they pull the show and move it to another city. Did that happen to you? Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes, it did. You know that. Oh, I forgot all about that. Sorry. Yeah, of course. You're in Toronto. Anyway, so they come up with Fantastic Beasts and it's in the world of Harry Potter. Okay. Because the first one made 800 million, they said, well, we're going to make five of these movies. They're getting apparently not the greatest press and they're having a lot of problems. They're saying there might be a curse on these movies with maybe some of the actors and some of the people behind the scenes. So apparently, and I haven't seen it, I haven't seen any of the movies. I've seen the Harry Potter ones, not these ones. This third one is kind of no cliffhangers. It could be the final one in case they decide not to make the full five. So who knows? Okay, well, I hadn't heard about that. No, it doesn't spoil anything. It's just saying that there's, that's common news that they were going to make five, but this one could wrap up at three. You don't know. No, I know, but I literally just typed in Fantastic Beasts Cursed and there's a Vanity Fair article, How Fantastic Beasts Became Hollywood's Most Cursed Franchise. Mm-hmm. Okay. You don't think I get my source from Vanity Fair? That's how every podcast starts by going through that. Okay. Actually, sorry, sorry. So the full title of this is Wizarding Woes, How Fantastic Beasts Became Hollywood's Most Cursed Franchise. Come on, please, people. So they're talking about Johnny Depp, obviously. J.K. Rowling, herself, Ezra Miller, arrested for disorderly conduct, likes the violence. You're brushing this off like it's not a big deal. Well, we're going to solve it right now because we're going to play Who Will Marty Save? The Harry Potter Edition. Oh my god, I forgot we do this. No, I never do. I never do. I sometimes forget the guest, but I don't forget this. Who will Will our wizard Marty Robinson save? Will it beJohnny Depp who played in the Fantastic Beasts movie? He played in the first two movies. I guess they kind of replaced him in the third movie with another actor. He obviously had some, he's having some court proceedings right now. It's been going on for years and years and years with his ex Amber Heard. They both have spent $20 million in legal fees each for this, you know, this, this Johnny Depp vs. J.K. Rowling Who has said some horrible things to the trans community and done a bit of backpedaling and stuff. But would we have the Harry Potter world without her? My goodness, they just had a 20th anniversary episode on HBO Max where they brought back all the cast and all the people behind the scenes. J.K. wasn't invited. Interesting. Now Marty has a choice to save one of these people from a horrible death with the wave of his Beatrix wand. He can save one of these two. Who will it be Marty? Are you going JK or Johnny D? Are you polishing off your wand or what are you doing? Normally I don't give a shit and I just give an arbitrary answer. This one's interesting because basically what you're saying is I need to save a bad person. Yes You are Voldemort. . . . Um... Okay, well let's, let's, let's... . Um... Don't you hate these? Yeah, you know I hate them, but I genuinely hate this one. Can we just also say though, that, even though Depp is not in the third movie, Mads Mikkelsen is, So really what we're saying is we need to save this person in order for them to contribute meaningful content to my life is really what it is. So this isn't wiping them out before their crimes. They will continue on. So it's not like you can go back in time and destroy them as babies. They have to live with their crimes. So basically what you're saying is, of the two people, who can I live with still existing even though they've done bad things? Oh, and I can't kill them both. I mean, I've done that before. Yes, yes, you did. I would say, I would say, I would be okay if I never saw another Johnny Depp film, even though I'm I'm a massive fan of his work. Massive fan. Whereas I feel that if JK Rowling dies, we will never see a Harry Potter pinball machine. So therefore... I think it's the other way around. I think she's the... No. If she goes, then no one can make a decision. Someone will. Sure. The estate. Are you kidding? Prince dies. The family goes, yeah, here's some table scraps. Here's a video of him when he's 11 years old. Michael Jackson estate did the same thing. You know, here... I just think that, you know, I think in the wrong hands, the Harry Potter world can go down a terrible place like Fantastic Beasts. So I am going to keep JK rolling in the hope that she ensures that the Harry Potter Pinball Machine when it comes out is fantastic. There you go. Done. But you care more about that than her correcting her thoughts on the, on her transphobic ways and stuff. Don't you want her to, I know she's trying to, uh, reverse. I want a pinball machine. So, it's, it just comes down to that. It comes down, okay, all kidding aside, don't you find it difficult, I know I do, when I really, really, really love the art but can't stand the artist? Ted Newton? I don't like some of the things Ted Newton says. I do like his music, but do I say I stand more with or with against him? I would say I stand more against him for sure. But I mean, I like classic rock, but I'm talking about people that commit like legitimate crimes. Do you remember, I mean, hey, in the pinball world when a certain design... No, no, no, I'm not trying to be funny. There's no jokes here. I'm asking you a serious question. Can you separate the art from the artist? Yes. I can too. And you sometimes get shit for it, right? Because I don't shit on Ghostbusters because it is a John Trudeau game and because John Trudeau did terrible things and was sent away for doing so. I just don't like the game, period. Everything about it has nothing to The artist but conversely Congo I think is a John Trudeau game love that game yeah doesn't mean I approve of anything that he did that put him behind bars so look we've said this before he he didn't make any of those games on his own yeah yeah so so when you boycott these games you're boycotting everybody else's work as well and I think that's unfair okay I think that's the same thing so I think so like like Johnny Depp does something bad the franchise of these movies suffers as it was all like it gets a bit of a bad name and there's thousands tens of thousands of people involved in these movies that all get now part of this curse. Woody Allen is somebody that has not had a good track record with some of the decisions he's made. He's made a lot of films. He's written and directed the films. But I guess what you're saying is I can't wipe out allока miners, Karl Debreviperate the two. It's not always easy. Like, I really like Michael Jackson music. I have questions about what kind of human being that person was. And if he is the things people say he is, it's unforgivable. It absolutely is, but you can't then just hear that news and then go back and say, oh, well, Billie Jean was a terrible song because of it. Yeah, it's so gosh dang tough. It's so tough. It's tough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. It's so tough. But anyway. Anyway. Where can we go from this? There is one thing I also want to talk about that I saw in the last couple of weeks. And that was to do with the Deep Root auction that happened. Hold on, let me just check Pinside page 792. Go ahead. The auction itself was just fascinating because of what was there to be purchased. Two things I want to talk about was first of all, someone buying a playfield and then turning up to pick it up and it's not there. That is shit. Was that Jess? Jessica Donato? Oh, Jess Donato. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know the update whether it's been found, but I doubt it has. I think someone's just put that on the back of their truck, which is just shit. But the other thing I want to talk about was the fact that there was, I couldn't even call it a whitewood, It's a bit of cardboard and a decal of what Yukon Yeti would have looked like, which is the sequel to White Water. Did you see it? I did see it. Not only did I see it, after my trip, or actually before my trip to Wisconsin, I stopped into American Pinball and talked to Dennis Nordman about it. What did he have to say? Yeah, he really liked the design. It was too bad it never got made. He loved it. Yeah, it looks good. I wouldn't say it has got as much in it as the original does, but I think it's just now, it just looks like a tighter game. It's got the upper flipper that looks like it's got a loop. It's got the insanity falls on the left. It's got the upper playfield that is almost like a mirrored version of the old one. And for such a game that we loved, for them to, this is almost like a remake really, a mirrored remake. It looked great. I remember when it was announced Steve Ritchie was going to do an unlicensed game and how excited he was. And we were thinking is it high speed or is it Black Knight and it wound up being Black Knight Sword of Rage. A game by the way I like. And I like it because it's brutal and it's really really hard. I'm not a big fan of the premium and the LE just because there's not a lot to do up top but and there's some exploits there. I know they've tried to fix it but still The pros, the real tough game. I feel the same way about Whitewater. I feel the same way about who knows what Barry O would have done and maybe we'll see that with the game that American Pinball produces. They're going to do a Barry O one. So is that going to be a sequel to something he did or something totally different? Who knows? But that Deep Root auction had a bunch of, like you say, Whitewoods or playfield designs and it's no In the game, the game was a little secret. They had a lot of things in the works. The one thing they didn't have in the works was how to get these games done. And again, separating the art from the artist, it's easy to paint Deep Root with this horrible brush, but really it was kind of one person who screwed the lives up of many people. Barry, Steven, Dennis while he was there, Jon Norris, Quinn Johnson was one of the great art guys there and creative people. And there was just, there was a big staff there. Trust me, I know this because I get every two weeks, I get this big bulk letter from this law office in San Antonio talking about how the court case is going on. I don't know why I've asked to be not included. I don't want any compensation or anything for any part of anything I've ever did or deposited or all that kind of stuff because real people lost a lot more like employees, like the people that invested the money. I was just a, there's no other word to put it, I was a sucker for taking a risk thinking this game would be done. But I wasn't alone and I thought it wasn't that big of a risk. So, eh, whatever. But I don't think I should get any part of any kind of class action for that when people invested a lot of money and time. Me, I took a gamble. To me it was like buying a lottery ticket. That's what it was. So, to go back to what you're saying, seeing those designs and the auction, There could have been some good things there if the money was managed a little bit better. Yeah. Wasn't to me. So, yeah, I just wanted to point that out because I thought it looked cool and it would be good to see that in some day. Like, just because, you know, I look back and I think of food truck. When I think of Deep Root, I think of food truck. I forget everything else and just think food truck. So, to be able to see something like Yukon Mum neighbourhoodyr and unhy ciudieso said I was kind of holding out and hoping that maybe somebody would buy the assets. We saw that happen with Highway, right? Didn't happen. So what happens to all that intellectual property? I know with Raza, those rules were already published long in advance. I don't think any of the other rules were. They never appeared on Fun With Bonus. So hopefully maybe those can be used in some other capacity. Yeah, I mean, I just, again, I don't know about that kind of sort of copyright and IP law, but You know, effectively most employment agreements will say any idea that's created for the purposes of the business stays as an asset of the business. So it's not like somebody can go, well, hey, you didn't make my game, therefore I'm going to make it. It still is their property. So now, again, it depends on what people are going to do with the IP of that company or whether they're not going to bother. It's just whoever is handling the assets now, Tord Barth Byrd, Play Moonfallen制 applying Film elasticabiya and Tordr cheg câmera stead Norma Mildet Read Last Long Bybンポ«or This is our last show for April. May is kind of a big month because May, at the end of the month, is the World Championships. That's happening in Fort Myers, Florida. So we're going to probably gear a couple of our shows towards that with some exciting guests. We do want to thank Orby, Albert Agar for coming on and please check out the Pinball Nerds podcast. If you want to find out more about this podcast, where can they go? We are pinball at gmail dot com. Our twitter handle is at finalroundpin. Instagram is finalroundpinballpodcast. And just look up finalroundpinball on Facebook. Sounds pretty good. Sounds like we've done our part. Now it's up to you. Thanks very much. Appreciate the emails and the notes. And I guess we'll do another one of these. Eh Marty? I think we'll have to. And we'll look forward to it. But do reach out to us guys. Martin Robbins, Pinball In another fortnight, my name is Geoff Teolos. My name is Martin Robbins. Thanks everybody. We'll speak again soon.