Hi. Hello. Welcome back. I don't even know what episode this is. 17. Whoa. Just made the audio project, so that's how I know. Well, congratulations to us. Congratulations to us. Welcome. Episode 17 time. Oh my lord. We've got a lot of stuff to get through today. What are we going to do? Well, I want to talk about some activity in the Facebook group. That's been pretty cool. Okay. and tell everybody a little bit about some pinball stuff we did this week. Okay. We went all over the place. And then there's a really big pinball event coming up in just, I think, less than two weeks. Less than two weeks. Pinball Expo 25 in Chicago. Yeah, what date does that start? It's October 15th through the 18th is what the internet told me. Okay. So I want to talk about that. Cool. Are we going? Of course we're going. Well, I shouldn't say, of course, it's our first time. So we'll talk about that. But welcome back, everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in again. Thank you so much for subscribing, commenting. I'm looking at you, Mark the Knife. Really appreciate those long comments. Those long comments. Love it. And, you know, thank you for subscribing and all that good stuff. Yeah. I wonder how. So the Facebook group is growing. and it's growing really great. It's going to be getting close to 1,800 members. Whoa. It's like mid-1,700s right now. We have a lot of subscribers on this channel. If you subscribe here for the music, we're a little bit behind. We've got a few music videos in the hopper that need to come out. Those will come out. We'll do one this week. but in the Facebook group we get a bunch of people almost 1,800 but then on the YouTube here on these videos that we're making right now we're getting some views usually over 300 per episode some like 1,500, 1,000 but how do we get 1,800 of those people in the group to all watch these? I don't know let's say you the watcher because the group we made the group and it's growing big like how do we get all of you in the group to watch it or half of you or half of you like 800 or well 800 is half of 1600 850 good good math I'm not good at arithmetic I'm good at the concepts of math but not the actual arithmetic that's right we won't hold it against you but 850 How do we get 850 of these people in this Facebook group to watch this, what we're doing here? Yeah, should we be doing different stuff? Do you want to hear something else? Do you want to hear something different type of topic? But I think a lot of it, they're just not seeing it or clicking it. So how do we make you see it or click it? I think if you are one that, like, sees it and clicks it, like, comment on it, I think that's the biggest thing you can do if you're watching right now, is you can comment on that Facebook post, and that keeps bumping it up. That'd be cool. Yeah. So if you could do that, I'd love it. I'd love it, too. I don't want to go on and on, but we've got a lot of people in the group. We've got a lot of subscribers here. I just want to know how to get more to watch these. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's been tons of really cool activity happening in that Facebook group. It's been really fun, especially the last week, to see the Punk Rock Pinball stuff popping up all over the place. I think it was Tom Eaton posted. He was at Pinball and Perry in Attica, Indiana, and saw our logo on one of their screens. Yeah, and we're working with Pinball and Perry on something cool. Yeah. We'll announce that when we can announce it, but we're working with – it's an awesome location in Indiana. If you're anywhere near Indy, it's not crazy far from Chicagoland. It's not crazy far from central Illinois. We're working on something cool with them, and we'll announce that maybe in one of the next two, three episodes. Yeah, it's going to be very cool. Super cool. And Chad, our friend Chad Udell. Udell? Udell. I think you said Udell. Did I say Udell? You said Udell. Well, Udell. Chad Udell. Chad has been in India a couple times, I feel like, over the last couple months rocking his punk rock pinball shirt, which is very cool. And he was in Vegas at the pinball museum there. Thanks, Chad. Wearing his shirt out there. He's a good buddy. I just saw Emily posted the things going on in Roscoe today. And I saw Lily was in there. I could see her back and she had the hoodie on. She did? Yeah. Oh, thanks, Lily. That's very cool. I didn't see that. That's very cool. I just saw it before we came down here. Oh, my gosh. Well, I want to say a couple other things about the Facebook group. So I saw a couple different posts that I thought were really cool and just made me really, really happy. So when we started that group, we wanted – I know there are other pinball groups out there, but we really started this as a way for our people to kind of come together. And there was a fellow named Andy – I can't read my writing – Andy Amsdell. If I'm mispronouncing that, please let me know. But he did a post in there. he's from the Detroit area and he's trying to get a gaggle of people together to do a meetup. Yeah. And then I saw our friend JD is coming over here later to play pinball with us. He watches our dog Marshall sometimes. JD said he's going to be in town. These dates coming up. So hopefully y'all can meet up and JD can go. Yeah. Pick a date. And then we want to see some pictures. Post your pictures in there. Yeah. Maybe we should send JD with some stickers and some stuff to share at the meetup. We will. JD's coming today. We'll give him a bunch of stuff to bring to Detroit. Yeah. So if you all do that meetup, JD will have buttons and stickers and maybe magnets. Yeah, we'll... Oh, we got to put magnets on these. Oh, yeah, we do. Yeah. The other thing that I thought was really cool was there was a fellow, Greg, who posted asking, you know, asking if anybody in the group owns a barcade or a pinball bar, which also made me really happy that people are thinking about starting stuff, more stuff. Yeah, I've messaged this Greg before. What's his last name? His last name. It starts with an R. Yeah, Relson. Yeah, the funny thing is when I see that last name, I think of Ryerson, and then I think of Ned Ryerson. It's not even anything close to that. I know, but my brain thinks Ryerson. It makes me think of Groundhog Day. I'm like, Greg Ryerson. I haven't seen you in forever that's really funny that's where my brain goes you message with him? he messaged me a time or two because he's got another group about like cycling oh cool yeah that's very cool your brother's in it yeah my brother's in that group like punk rock punk rock can't remember the name of it cyclists if that's not what it's called it should be but it's if that's your thing you should look it up if you're in the group you can like I think click on Greg and it'll show his post greg not ryerson railson railson yeah click on greg's post yeah and if you want to find the cycling group he's got a punk rock cycling group yeah yeah the third thing that made me happy the third and final thing that made me happy in the facebook group this week was there was a fellow joseph rodriguez i don't know where joseph lives but he had he did a post up there saying hey he listens to the podcast and he was asking about buying his very first game yeah like tips what to look for when buying your first game which i think could be it's a whole own episode it really could be but the and this episode is about pinball expo so i don't want to go too deep on that here no but i just want to say that like there was lots of really great advice yeah about making sure once you decide on a game or to help you decide on a game make sure that you've played that game and you know you like it because it's a pretty big investment. I shouldn't say investment. It's a big purchase. It's a big ticket item. Yeah, because I misunderstood the one guy. Was his name Albert or something? I think so. He had said, like, play the game first, and I thought he meant, like, play that exact example of the game, which is not bad advice, but that's not what he meant. Because if you're buying from, like, a reputable dealer, if you're buying a used modern game from a reputable dealer, you don't necessarily have to play that example of it. You can trust their explanation of the condition of the game. All the better dealers are good at saying, it plays great, it's got a scratch on the right side, this mech might be weird. They'll disclose all that, so you don't need to physically touch the exact game, But I think what Albert meant was play the game, meaning like if you're thinking about buying a Jaws, go play Jaws somewhere a bunch of times. Yes. And I agree. I think you should play, especially if you're only going to have one. You got to love it. I should probably go and play a bunch of them and play it like at least 20 times to feel like, am I going to get tired of this or do I love this? Yeah. And find the one that you think is the coolest and go with that. Well, he said he was leaning towards Foo Fighters because I think he said – He said Godzilla, Foo Fighters, Black Knight Sword of Rage. Yes, exactly. But he's leaning Foo, which I love. Foo's really good. It's great. I don't think you can go wrong with any of those. I think Godzilla and Foo Fighters have a little bit deeper gameplay to it. Yes. But I also love Black Knight. Yeah, we have a Black Knight sort of rage upstairs. We have a Foo Fighters. We have had Godzilla in this house for a period of months. I'd say the one I would get sick of the quickest of those three is Black Knight sort of rage if it was my only. It's great, but it's kind of an ass kicker. And then once you get good at it, it's way more repetitive than Godzilla or Foo Fighters. Yeah, I agree. So I like Black Knight Sword of Rage if you've got a collection. Or two. Maybe as like your third. Okay. I wouldn't even like it in a two machine collection. But I'd like it in like a five or more. It an excellent tournament game Yes so if you have like parties and tournaments like Black Knight Sword of Rage for tournaments to me is better than Jaws Totally. But it's not a better game as Jaws. It's not as good. I mean, clearly. It's better than Foo Fighters for a tournament or Godzilla for a tournament. Because good players on Godzilla take an hour. Don't we know it. And very few take an hour on Black Knight Sword of Rage. Very few. Well, the one thing I wanted to say, Joseph, I know you had said that you've been looking close to you, but there aren't a lot of pinball people or things popping up. Make sure you're looking on pin side. You never know what's going to pop up. And also one thing I wish we would have known when we were buying our first machine, Jaws, is we were really nervous to buy online. Yeah. Like real nervous. Yeah. It's a lot of money. That's why we ended up driving two hours up to Great American Pinball in West Chicago was to actually pick it up. Yeah. We didn't know that there was dealers closer to us, and we're just more familiar with that area at the time. But if I could tell myself from a couple years ago, there are certainly dealers that would ship it to you that you could have confidence in. Yeah, and the shipping is not an insane amount of money. I thought shipping is like a few hundred bucks. To your door. around like 350 the last time we had one shipped now if you're buying one brand new in the box a lot of them will do free shipping yeah i know like tilt tilt does free shipping i think flipping out does free shipping on brand new ones but if you're buying a used it's it's around about 350 depending on like how far you live from where that dealer is you know if it's from if they're in indiana and they're shipping to california it's probably way more than shipping it to me here for sure in Illinois. So if you're going to buy one from a dealer and have it shipped, like depending upon where you live, you might want to find a big dealer that's in your region if you're going to get it shipped. But a lot of people on Pinside will ship too. And you can look at their, if you're looking at used on Pinside, you can look at their seller ratings. You can see how many they've sold, what their rating is. And we've had good experiences buying from highly rated sellers on there. Like I wouldn't be afraid of that either. Yeah, and the pinball community is pretty small, so people know each other. So if there is somebody, I don't know, ask around. Yeah. I guess we're going kind of deep on that topic. We'll pause that topic. We'll do a whole episode on that. Yep. Comment if you want us to do a whole episode on, like, buying used pinball machines. I like talking about that. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, we buy a lot of them. Oh, my gosh. um we also kind of uh this week we played in two different well a tournament in the league so sadly our our home base um you know pinball location is closed hopefully something new will be popping up around central illinois or i should say bloomington or peoria soon but we took a trip out to champagne which is about 40 minutes east of us i've completely because i'm like what the whole tournament did we play yeah we went to we went to triptych brewing in savoy illinois which is right next to champaign where university of illinois i wonder who won the finals because our friend chris o'brien shit we never looked it up chris o'brien was the top qualifier after um qualifying and they have a fellow there his name luke yeah luke is a badass player and chris qualified above him so congrats on that chris i don't know who won the finals but uh we just missed it you just you were just one away i came in fifth and i was in seventh or sixth or seventh it was fun i crapped the bed on star on the old star wars didn't do so good yeah it was kind of cool chris o'brien's from springfield and he sent a note saying hey who wants to go to to champagne to go play in Triptych. So Mike and I said yes, met him there, and we saw some of our champagne friends who weren't expecting us that we usually play in other locations with. Yeah, Tom Eaton. Tom Eaton and Kat. And so we crashed their party, and it was really fun. They have a great food truck that shows up. Yeah, some nice chicken tendies. Yeah, it was super fun, and I want to go do that again. We'll do it every month. Yeah, so we'll be back. Whether you want us or not, we're showing up. That was fun. And we saw Kevin, who used to come play in Bloomington. And hopefully if we get a Bloomington location, he'll come back too. Yep. That was cool. And then yesterday, we drove up to West Chicago. Yeah, to the ORD pinball club. Super cool. Real cool. If you're in the Chicago area, you should make friends with somebody who belongs to the ORD club because it is quite a collection of awesome games. Make friends with Aaron Reddick. Yeah, he's the best. E-R-E-N? Yeah. On Facebook. He's got a lot of Facebook friends. I think he's a very welcoming fella. He is like a social butterfly. So if you're around Chicago and you want to try to play there, like buddy up with Aaron Reddick and maybe he can bring you as a guest. I don't think it's free to go as a guest, but there's a lot of great games in there. It's worth it. It's very cool. Yeah. Very, very cool. So we played there. I did okay. You were tied for third. Well. You're tied for third. Where were you? Not third. But it was fun. We got to see all of our Chicagoland buddies. So that's fun. I like playing in that league. Everybody's just super nice and great players. And I had a proud nerd moment. You did? Yeah. When we were there playing in Warming Up, and I encountered the Wheel of Fortune pinball machine by Stern. Cool machine. I know. It's super fun. The one they have there at ORD is beautiful. The play field looks brand new. But I'm playing that game. I don't know anything about this game. And I says out loud. I says? I says to you, I think. You did. Me and Rue. I said, I wonder who designed this. Because I would say it really feels like a Nordman. This feels like a Nordman. And guess what? It's a Nordman. It is a Nordman. And then I play the Transformers game. Never had played that either, the Stern Transformers. And I says to myself, I wonder who designed this Transformers pinball machine because this really feels like a George Gomez. Guess who designed it? Mr. Gomez? George Gomez. That's two for two. That's pretty awesome, Mike. Yeah, just by the feel. Just by the feel and the flow. It looks like a lot of designers, you can just look at the play field and be like, that's that guy. That's that guy. I wish I was as good at playing them as I was at identifying who might have designed the thing. One day. Keep trying. I'm thinking about the wrong stuff. Keep trying, kid. Yeah. Keep trying. I guess we should probably get into expos. Well, that's what I was going to say. Okay. I don't know. It's just fun to talk. It is fun to talk. And we love our friends at ORD, and I just want to say thanks, Lily. I know it's a lot to organize that, all the different locations and all of the people. And she, if you're going to Expo, you may see Lily. She is a badass player. Yeah, great, great, great pinball player. She'll probably be kicking some butt in the ladies tournament. She takes maybe in the classics and the main probably. She takes no shit. She takes no shit. And she'll probably be wearing one of these hoodies. She better be. Just teasing. So look for a young lady with the long hair. Yep. rocking one of these hoodies that's kicking us at pinball that's probably lily that's lily yeah um so yeah expo this is um pinball expo 25th year 20 something year i don't know it's our first year so it's the only one that matters it's our first year anniversary pinball expo no it knows there well yeah first anniversary this is ours this will be our first our first time so it's not even an anniversary next year will be our first anniversary of pinball expo What a big day that will be. So it is, according to the website, the 15th through the 18th. So I think it starts Wednesday late afternoon, evening through Saturday. Okay. And there's all kinds of stuff that's happening. I actually printed out the schedule of events, but I left it on the printer upstairs. So, oh, well. But it's just pinball fun. People are coming, I think, from all over the world, I may say. Yeah. I think yeah this is a global deal it's a global deal because last year uh in August we were in UK and we're in Birmingham and we're in that pinball place and they had a big banner the banner for it there in the UK yeah the pinball expo in Schaumburg it made us laugh so hard yeah so because it's just up up the road a couple hours um so the things that they have going on And they have seminars. They have all kinds, like I think pretty much any game you can think of is probably going to be there for play. There will be like hundreds of games on free play. All the manufacturers show up. There's homebrew machines, which I'm super excited to see, where people take a machine and re-skin it, like re-theme it. Some of them just make them from scratch. Some of them make them from scratch. I think that Tony Hawk one is just, it's not a re-theme of anything. And dude just made that. I can't wait to see that. Yeah. I think you're right. Yeah, because some people take old ones. Like the Happy Gilmore one, I think, is a re-theme of an older Stern. But a lot of them, it's like the guys just make the thing. Yeah. Like the layout and everything. That's so cool. Yeah. I wish I would love to do that. I have no skills. Isn't that what Mark Seiden did before he got hired at Jersey Jack? Yeah, that's what Crystal from JJP told me, that his homebrew was more or less his resume. and Jersey Jack Jack, the man, saw it and offered him a job. I don't know if that's true. We'll have to get Mark's site on here. We'll find out. That's the rumor. We'll get Mark down here and we'll see if that's the case, if he made a homebrew and if that got him hired at Jersey Jack. That's what we heard. Consider it an investigation. We'll do an investigative series on that. There's also a bunch of vendors. Yeah. Which I'm kind of excited about. A bunch of mods and stuff. mods and pinball stuff. I guess we gotta make a list. I need a bunch of rubbers, flipper rubbers. I gotta make a list of shit to get that kind of stuff I got a list in my head We should write it out Okay Because it going to be a lot going on You going to want that on paper I buying it all You need some money. I know. Would you order some Punk Rock Pinball merch, please? Anxiousandangry.com. Uh-huh. In fact, there's also going to be tournaments. I don't even really know the tournament schedule or structure. It's on a website. It's kind of similar to Papa Structure. It's like a card. It's a card deal. Okay. Yeah. That's cool. I like the card deal because you can kind of go and get your games in. You're not playing round after round like against people. Mm-hmm. It's scheduled. The card thing, you can... I think it takes like your top... I'd have to read. Like your top six. You can play like 12 or 14 games or something, but it takes your top six scores. So it's not like Papa where you have to have one kick-ass card where it's... This five is the card. You play a number of games, and your top six are the ones that count. I think you could probably buy new cards, though. Yeah, but I think it's not unlimited the way Papa was. Oh. In Papa, it's unlimited because you have to play five kick-ass games in one shot. Yeah. And so if it's unlimited for Papa, it doesn't matter, because you have to play five kick-ass games all together. if you play one of five sucks your whole card sucks if it's unlimited and you can play an unlimited amount of games it takes your top six you could kind of pay your way into the because if i played all day i'm gonna shoot like a killer game on each one eventually yeah you know yeah i've just heard people say that when they've gone to expo in the past and they do the tournament that they don't get to experience anything else like if they get really super into the tournament So that's why I feel like maybe you can continue to get new. I don't know. We'll find out. Maybe that's people that make the finals and stuff. I don't know. Probably won't apply to us. I don't even, I'm not really super interested in the tournament, actually. I am. I know you are. Yeah. I'm not. That's fine. And then there's also, you can sign up for tours. Stern's doing tours of their manufacturing facility, which is pretty cool. Yeah, you should do the Stern Factory Tour. I think it's worth it if you haven't seen it. You should do it. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool to just see what an operation that is. Yeah, it's crazy. A lot going on in there. Oh, my gosh. And I think those tours are on Saturday, maybe. I don't know. I'm making that up. The Expo website will have all that info. But the point on that was, I don't know if they're going to be in production while people are touring it, but you'll definitely get a sense of everything that goes into building those things. It was cool when we went a few weeks ago to see everything in action and all of the humans behind every single machine. Yeah, I wonder if the line is running, because it's cooler to see when the line's running. Yeah, I don't know if they would. You see how many people are there and they're all moving around, putting all this stuff together. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So this is my question to you. Mm hmm. Your you might you choose. OK. Expo. Mm hmm. So there's a tour. There's seminars of all kinds of cool stuff. Yeah. Like your favorite designers talking about John Borg's going to be speaking about the you know, John Borgen and Raymond and the whole gang are going to be talking about the new Star Wars game and everything that went into it. There's going to be Keith Elwin's going to be talking about King Kong. There's all kinds of, you know, pinball designers talking about stuff, pinball enthusiasts talking about a variety of topics. That's going to be happening. There's vendors selling all kinds of crazy stuff. I don't, my mind is, my imagination is going wild on that piece of it. There are games to play, new games, classics, super old, old games, like I think pre-flip, pre-flipper games. Yeah. All that kind of stuff will be there. The homebrews and tournaments. Mm-hmm. You can only do two. I can do two things? You can do two things. What will you do? We know you're going to do a tournament. I'll play in the tournament. I was going to choose three things. Oh, all right. I'm not going to stop you. In ranked order? Well, three things that I would be looking forward to the most. Okay. Yeah. I always look forward to a pinball tournament. Anywhere, anytime. I don't perform very well in many of them. Which is why I want to play. Because I suck in tournaments, it makes me want to play more. because I am a much better player than I perform in tournaments, and I don't know why, so I need to play more to try to change that. That's the best way to change it. I just choke. Like we were talking about the other day, I would swear my reaction time when I see a thing happen and my reaction to doing something about it in the game when I'm in a tournament is at least two times slower if not three or four times slower than when I'm just playing casually. You're thinking too hard. I don't know what the hell I'm doing. So I need a sports psychologist or something. So I need to play more tournaments. I need to play more big ones, more small ones. So I'm looking forward to the tournament. Okay. The second most thing, probably the homebrews. And I think last year was the first year they had a really big area dedicated to that. It used to be kind of here and there. Now they have a big dedicated area for the home brews. Because these are one-off machines and themes that you're just never going to see. Unless you're lucky enough like Atomic Arcade had that Tony Hawk game there for a while. But there's all these cool themes and custom one-off games that these people made. And you'll never see them anywhere else. so I would love to I'd love to get in and play some of those if they have big lines I don't like waiting in line for anything hate waiting in line grocery store, theme parks at pinball expo, hate it so I want to get around them and look at them you waited a really long time to play the portal game in Milwaukee I don't know why I did that I don't know, I left I'm not waiting in a line was it all that great? I mean, I don't want to diss a thing. Okay. What else is on your list then? So that's number two is the homebrews, tournament homebrews. And then it's kind of between – see, I don't like waiting in lines, so I guess this is something I'm excited to see, but I'm not going to wait in line to do it, is I think Spooky might announce their next game and have it there. Really? because i saw like ralph retro ralph did his last video and in his post for it he said he didn't think spooky was ready to show their next game and they commented and they said oh we're ready oh so will you see a new spooky there like a preview no like the game no i know but it's not going to be ready for sale or do you think it'll be ready for sale i mean they'll probably If they show the game, they'll be taking pre-orders. Usually when they show the game, they take orders now. And then it probably won't be until next year that they start to build them. Because I think the rumor is they're about done making Evil Dead. By mid-December, early January, they should have made all of the Evil Deads, and that's coming right up. So it would make sense to unveil the next game and get the money, the orders in for that. so i if that happens i would love to see it but i'm not going to probably wait three hours to play the damn thing even if it's the coolest looking game ever like i just can't do that no i get my no so scratch that but i'm excited and i heard spooky's making a planet of the apes pinball machine i heard that too i heard that yesterday or d yeah yeah ruben told me he heard Spooky's making Planet of the Apes. Yeah. I can't believe it. That's so cool. Yeah. I don't think this one's it. It might be the next one. Yeah. I don't think this upcoming one's Planet of the Apes, but. So the third thing, you've got tournament. I want to see the homebrews. I'll wait for some of those. And then just the vendors in, like, the shit. Yeah. Like, somebody have, like, really super cool art blades for, what don't we have art blades on like the uncanny x-men i mean i usually like the first party ones but like cool weird mods and just all the little weird stuff that the vendors have like i just love walking around and looking at that stuff yeah i do too and like and supporting small businesses and getting to see the stuff that you've seen online and see it in real life and touch it and feel it and then buy it yeah yeah i'm real excited about that so we'll definitely be buying stuff from a lot of the vendors. And I know Troy at Tilt Amusements, he did a big post the other day about encouraging people to support the vendors there, especially the vendors that have like inexpensive items. And he referenced like the Pinsnake guy. We have one of those. It's used for cleaning your machines. Yeah, it's like a cleaning thing. But he talked about, you know, how much it probably costs this fellow from Pinsnake to go set up at Expo and how many units he would need to sell to break even. and there's quite a few. So if you're walking through the vendor area and you see something you like and it's $20 or $30, just get it. Yeah. Just get it. Buy some flipper rubbers. Buy some new balls. Maybe buy... It's kind of a pain to haul around, but you usually can get a good deal on the Invisiglass, the anti-reflective glass. And depending on how far we'd have to lug it, maybe we'll buy some glass. Maybe. We could use some glass. who knows what we'll buy. So you're choosing tournaments, homebrew, and vendors. Yeah, and like the little vendors. Of course I'm excited to see the Stern booth and Jersey Jack booth. Oh and how do I forget I was going to say your guys might be My guys are probably going to unveil At Stern they probably going to unveil the remaster of The Walking Dead and I may wait to play that. Really? I think... I don't know why. I would probably wait to play that more so than I'd wait to play the spooky. Hmm. Just because if there's a spooky one, I'll probably want it. But like, if that Walking Dead game is great and I want to order it, I could have one in a few weeks. We're on a freeze. I know we're on a freeze. I'm just saying. That's what I love about Stern if you want one of their new games. It's that when they announce it and show it and you're like, this is kick-ass, I want it. You order the game and it's usually like within a month you have it. right there at your house. Well, they've got a big operation. They've got a big operation. And I want, I think Spooky's operation is probably going to start becoming bigger, and they can probably turn around faster. But I don't know if I'd be in on, I'll probably want the new Spooky, but I don't want to do like a $2,000 deposit and wait 10 months for a game, even though I kind of wish I had on Evil Dead, because it's way more expensive now than they were at the time. now we gotta wait longer and wait for the prices to come back down they will they'll get there yeah it's fine we have other but so it's like a tie like the new spooky and maybe the walking dead remaster i think the walking dead is one of my favorite like stern games to play and doing a if they do as well as they did on the metallica it's going to be awesome and it's the borg yeah i'm excited for the home brews and the vendors i'm most excited about those i don't really care about playing any of the new machines that are coming out because i know they're going to pop up around here we'll be able to play those fortunately we live not terribly far from pinball and perry and he'll have that next spooky yep Because the spooky ones are the hardest ones to find. The newer sterns, you'll find those. Those are not going to be hard to find and play. I see the Star Wars Fall of the Empire is out everywhere now. All these locations. Some have posted in our group. They all have them, which is awesome. It can be harder to find a spooky. Like the Evil Dead, we've only played two or three of them. One's at Pinball and Perry. There's one at Galpin Ghost. I feel like maybe you played one somewhere else. I don't know. Yeah, I think I did. I think Lit up in Minneapolis has one, but they're not around nearly as much as the Stearns because they don't make as many. Yeah, but the Pinball and Perry fellow, he seems to get those games real quick. He gets them quick, and then our friend Ryan will be there setting it up, and it's going to play good. So if I want to play the Spooky, I'll just wait until... Because the Pinball and Perry, they must pre-order instantly, So he always has like a low number, like one of the first ones out is going to be to him. And Ryan will have it set up real nice. Yeah. It's going to have it set up real nice. And then we'll just go out there and we can just play it all day. So I don't feel I need to wait for that one in a line. Yeah, totally. Yeah. All right. So dream theme. This time I wanted to kind of I wanted to call out there's a fellow in our Facebook group. named Jake Danzig. Is that your real name, Jake Danzig? I mean, he is. It's like Glenn Danzig because he makes these punk machines. Yeah. Is that your real name? It's not his real name. Okay. Could be. It could be, I guess. Yeah. But he is actually going to be at Expo. We have to find him with his dog. He's got this cute dog. Oh, yeah, he's got the dog. He's got a dog. But it seems like he does a lot. I don't know much about you, Jake, but from your posts, it seems like you do a lot of homebrews or you own them. I'm not sure. I don't really know. Do you make them or do you own them? I don't know the story. Not sure. But he posted in the Facebook group a Kramps pinball machine homebrew and a Ramones, which a lot of people, every time it comes up, like, what would be your dream theme? A lot of people have posted that in the group, and the Ramones always pop up. But I don't know if he's bringing those. I want to see them. I don't know. If those are there, like the Ramones one looked really cool. I feel like we're going to see dream themes there. Yeah, I'm not way into the cramps, but the Ramones. It's kind of shameful that there's not a Ramones pinball machine. Well, I don't know how it all works. I don't either. And I don't know how much it would sell, but it seems like at some point there just should have been one. Yeah. That's like the punk band there should be a pinball machine of is the Ramones. Probably. Like if there's only one, if there only can be one punk band to have a pinball machine, it should be those guys. I think everybody would probably agree. Some might say The Slash, but I don't know. The Ramones are, I think, universally kind of the brand of The Ramones is like a little more iconic than The Slash. I think the depth of their catalog, I think they have more good albums than The Slash has. The Slash are probably technically a better band, a little more serious. Yeah. Better players. Yeah. arguably i think either one of those would be amazing yeah i would want it and the Slash are just more british you know so if anyone's watching in the uk they probably favor the Slash for sure but it's hard to deny the ramones like impact on punk music at least in i mean globally but in america especially yeah they're kind of yeah they're it yeah they're it so i hope he brings that um but i i yeah that that was what i wanted to say about dream themes okay so we're not gonna pitch a big dream theme today no i just want to like i want to see i'm excited to see other people's dream themes that have been brought to life yeah specifically jake's yeah and if you were to say like what's what's your dream theme if there only can be like one punk band pinball machines the ramones and jake maybe you'll bring that to expo and we'll see how how they did yeah Yeah. I can't wait. And I know, I think it's like a street level, like single level game. And I feel like if there is a Ramones pin, even a modern one made that should be that way. I don't think a Ramones pinball machine should have ramps. No, it should be like more like the first kiss pinball. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So you think about like for a modern reference like the Pulp Fiction. Mm-hmm. so if there's a modern ramones pinball machine like if chicago gaming made it like don't copy the pulp fiction layout but copy that vibe that vibe that vibe different layout make it ramonesy yeah although technically the pulp fiction is not just street level because there's like the underground piece just there's that kind of and there's the above ground thing where if you You hit on the left down into the deal, and it shoots it up into the briefcase. Yeah, I don't. So the ball goes up and around, and it goes down and under. So it is not street level. I just don't want people to come at you. Yeah, don't come at me. But there's no, like, ramps on the game that bring the ball around back to your flipper. That doesn't happen. It's like a modern vision of a street-level game. Yeah, because I think I called it that in front of our friend Ryan, and he corrected me because it's like a three-level game. as it goes up and around and then it goes down. There's tons of subway shit under there apparently. But it appears to be a street level game when you're shooting it. It's beautiful no matter what. It feels like a classic early 80s game. That's why I love it. And that there's a Ramones pinball machine that should follow that vibe or whatever you want to call that. I totally agree. Yeah. Make it happen, somebody. Who makes that? uh so not john borg no i think he's a ramps guy i think it would i feel like it was steve ritchie's brother that did the the paul mark his name mark mark ritchie did pretty good on that i think maybe you go mark ritchie if it's chicago gaming although i don't know if i want chicago gaming to make it because i might want it like in this lifetime within the next two years or three years they're trying their best i mean i'm not trying to diss those guys but man it takes them a long time to get stuff out there yeah it does they make a great game if it was if they could make it and like get it done quick i'd vote for chicago gaming agree perfect company to make that yes and have mark ritchie design the thing let's do it yeah and if not mark ritchie and not chicago gaming then i would say keith ellen at stern and he would take inspiration from like his bond um 60th 60th edition bond and do some something like i like that one how it's got the kind of little screen thing in the play field and it's got the scoreboard is almost like an em yeah so like i think keith ellen could do make that pretty sick yeah totally sick and then then you pull in the expression lights with Mike Vinikour doing his his you know yeah let's go on this let's go start on this because you could take i know spike three has a bigger screen this one's not going to have that you're going to take like a bond 60th but you'll use the spike three like lighting innovations and new expression lights because i want mxv designing the expression lights for the ramones game hell yeah so let's go that way mike can you make it happen let's do it all right well i think that's it i think we've run our time i don't even know how long we how long it was it's i think if i had to guess i think it's going to be just under 40 minutes okay i don't know seems long enough all right well we've got people coming over to play some games What time is it? 3.40. 3.40. Less than an hour. Got folks coming over. Oh, my gosh. We're going to have a pinball party. Hopefully, we get enough for a little strikes tournament so I can practice to not suck at tournaments. I'm going to have to fire up the match play. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you guys so much. If you made it this far, thank you very much. Comment. You know the drill. Comment, subscribe, give us a little. That's what I got Steve say. if you can tolerate this kind of thing don't be ashamed to subscribe don't be ashamed yeah all right have a great week yeah thank you see ya