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Episode 81: Drew and Ian get caught up on the News, Real Men of Genius

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Nov 22, 2020
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TL;DR

Poor Man's Pinball discusses Stern Heavy Metal, Dutch Pinball production, and EU tariffs on imports.

Summary

Episode 81 of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast features hosts Drew and Ian discussing weekly pinball news after technical difficulties with new streaming equipment. Major topics include Stern's Heavy Metal in production, Dutch Pinball's increased manufacturing pace, a 25% tariff on USA pinball imports to Europe, and various industry updates sourced from This Week in Pinball (TWIP). The hosts also share personal pinball gaming experiences and celebrate new podcast subscribers and affiliate status.

Key Claims

  • Stern's Heavy Metal is in production

    high confidence · Drew and Ian discuss as news story; source cited as TWIP (This Week in Pinball)

  • Dutch Pinball is building four games per week

    high confidence · Hosts discuss Dutch Pinball news; source cited as TWIP

  • Dutch Pinball is moving to a larger building

    high confidence · News story from TWIP; hosts discuss capacity expansion

  • A 25% tariff on USA pinball imports to Europe will increase Stern Pro pricing by ~$1,000-$1,200

    high confidence · Drew and Ian calculate impact; Ian calls it 'German fucking bullshit'

  • Ben Heck's new pinball machine is ready for hand-drawn artwork

    high confidence · News story from TWIP; hosts discuss Ben Heck's intention to use hand-drawn rather than photoshop art

  • Stern Pinball has placed games at Dave & Buster's locations with TV monitors showing playfield

    high confidence · TWIP story; hosts discuss potential expansion

  • Drew believes Spider-Man (Steve Richie design) is a better game than Star Trek (also Steve Richie design)

    high confidence · Drew's personal opinion stated during personal update segment; contrasts with community consensus favoring Star Trek

  • Texas Pinball Festival is 'still on, for now'

    medium confidence · Ian expresses concern about travel and attendance in context of current conditions; hosts discuss capacity questions

Notable Quotes

  • “Stern, quit making heavy metals and start getting the shit off the line.”

    Ian @ ~mid-show — Reflects community frustration with Stern's production priorities and Heavy Metal as a niche product vs. fulfilling existing orders

  • “Spider-Man is a better game than Star Trek... the theme didn't resonate with me like Spider-Man does”

    Drew @ Personal segment — Contrarian hot take challenging community consensus; personal preference driving game evaluation

  • “It's not called Twitch Pinball. It's called Twitch. No one really knows what that means, but it's Twitch.”

    Ian @ Mid-show — Humorous defense of playing non-pinball content on stream during affiliate grind

  • “That's going to be hurting. People are going to be hurting... $15,000, $16,000, $18,000”

    Ian @ Tariff discussion — Direct impact statement on European market; demonstrates scale of tariff burden on premium games

  • “I just can't imagine a world where people are going to be traveling from all over to go there in March”

    Ian @ Texas Pinball Festival discussion — Expresses skepticism about festival viability due to current conditions

  • “You're not going to get much pinball news or pinball discussion, but damn is it funny. Great show, guys. Three stars.”

    Podcast review @ Database review segment — Community feedback characterizing show as entertainment-focused rather than news-heavy

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyDutch PinballcompanyBen HeckpersonThis Week in Pinball (TWIP)organizationSteve RichiepersonZen StudioscompanyFlippin' Out PinballcompanyPinchadescompanyDave & Buster'svenueDrewperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Stern's Heavy Metal pinball machine is confirmed in production; however, hosts express frustration that Stern should prioritize fulfilling existing backlog rather than making limited niche games

    high · TWIP story; Drew says 'Stern, quit making heavy metals and start getting the shit off the line'

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Dutch Pinball reports four games per week production rate and is moving to larger facility; represents significant capacity growth

    high · TWIP story; hosts discuss moving timeline and building rationale

  • $

    market_signal: 25% tariff on USA pinball imports to Europe significantly increases retail pricing for European buyers; Stern Pro estimate +$1,000-$1,200, premium games potentially +$5,000-$8,000+

    high · TWIP story; Ian's pricing calculations and concern that 'people are going to be hurting'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Ben Heck's new pinball machine prioritizes hand-drawn artwork over digital/photoshop art; positions game as distinct from recent industry trend toward mixed media art

    medium · TWIP story; hosts debate art style intent but acknowledge uncertainty on specific approach

  • ?

    venue_signal: Stern Pinball expanding presence at Dave & Buster's chains with installed games featuring TV monitors for playfield visibility; potential nationwide rollout under consideration

    high · TWIP story; hosts discuss multiple locations and future expansion potential

Transcript

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today's episode of the poor man's pinball podcast is sponsored by all these wonderful companies we'll go through them real quick nothing too crazy flipping out pinball you know you love them it's Zach and Nicole many fantastic customer service and the right distributor for you they're gonna be able to make sure you get all the latest shinies from Jersey Jack and in Stern so please look them out and also those beautiful beautiful stair climbing escalators. Also, moving on, Pinchades. Pinchades jocked in our buddy. We just got that beautiful promotion, the Black Friday promotion, which goes, I think, the whole month, right? I think until the end of the year. Until the end of the year. He's shipping them all out in the middle of December. What was it, Friend BF or Poor Man's BF? Poor Man's BF. With an S. Poor Man's BF. You get free shipping. International peeps, we're looking at you. A perfect opportunity to save some serious dough and get your pin shades today.
1:05
Also, okay, we'll turn up our mics. How about that? How's that sound, guys? All right. Can you hear me now? Also, Zen Studios. What? Zen Studios.
1:21
All right. I was listening to Jack, and you guys came on. You're at one-tenth of his volume. 120th. 120th? Mike Williams, can you hear me?
1:33
I don't know what's going on. Everything seems okay. Can you guys hear us all right? Hang on, guys. Give us another sound check here. Check, check. Check one, two. Check three, four. Sounds like a mic across the room. Is your mic on?
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event_signal: Texas Pinball Festival (March) facing uncertainty about attendance and viability; hosts express skepticism about travel and capacity decisions

medium · TWIP coverage; Ian states 'I just can't imagine a world where people are going to be traveling from all over to go there in March'

  • ?

    content_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Podcast achieved Twitch affiliate status; experiencing surge in new subscribers and bits/financial support from listeners

    high · Multiple sponsor shoutouts, subscriber callouts throughout episode; hosts celebrate growth milestones

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Drew's contrarian position that Spider-Man (Richie) is superior to Star Trek (also Richie) challenges community consensus; argues theme resonance impacts game evaluation despite similar layouts

    high · Drew's personal hot take; chat responses from Brad Hopkins, Kaz, Billy Yeager, Jack Rabbit divide on opinion

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Tariff announcement creates negative sentiment shift in European market accessibility; hosts frame as serious barrier to market growth

    high · Ian calls tariff 'German fucking bullshit'; extensive discussion of pricing impact on casual buyers

  • ?

    product_concern: Community frustration that Stern continues producing limited-run specialty games (Heavy Metal) rather than fulfilling backlog of standard production games

    high · Drew's direct criticism: 'Stern, quit making heavy metals and start getting the shit off the line'

    • Yes. Yes, definitely on. Check, check. Uh-oh. What is going on, kiddos? Check one, four. All right. Well, showing here that we're sounding okay.
    2:03
    Let us know if you're checking in. You sound fine. You sound like you are far away. Oh, this is some bullshit.
    2:13
    Sorry, sponsors. Oh, man. Buy a pinball from Zach and Nicole. Yeah. Zen Studios. You know them. You love them. They're the guys that do the pinball effects. A little echoey. I gave you bits to sound slightly far away. Oh. Well, we didn't put your bits into our sound equipment, that's for sure. Oh.
    2:39
    All right. And then TWIP, get all your news stories from TWIP. It's definitely something that is. We get our news stories. We get our news and steal it for. And, of course, Penn Stadium lights. Penn Stadium, during checkout, put Penn Stadium. No, poor man's with an S to get yourself, what is it, 10% off? Which one, Penn Stadiums? Yeah. Yes, 10% off. I know we have so many sponsors now. It's hard to keep track. We love it. I'm distracted by my audio issues here. And then, finally, pinballprices.com, our buddy Doc. We love him so much. So, so, so, so much.
    3:17
    I think it's using your laptop's mic. Oh, that could be interesting. All right. well let's take a look here let's see here thanks guys cause pays for poor quality let's speak your speakers speakers when we speak yourself we need Need our output. Audio output. Hold on one second, guys.
    3:56
    This is what we get for being ahead of schedule. Right. Whenever we just show up and, like, we struggle to get on the air on time, then it's great. But here we are. So.
    4:09
    All right. Stay with us. Stay tuned, Internet. Hold on. We're going to get this working here. Yeah. My technical guy, Drew, is here. Tech support, Drew. that's what nobody calls me thanks for the follow callwrath15 you got another follower hey thanks guys is everything plugged in hold on let's check this troubleshooting101 is it plugged in oh CJ Chan subscribe thank you so much sir or ma'am
    4:41
    CJ Chan they can't hear you you're whispering I think it's like audio device CJ Chan is Chris Chandler by the way because I suck at picking out a handle who was that? this is Chris Chandler that's cool man see I didn't even know who you were so it's alright Leno 570 subscribe thank you Glenn we know who that is that's Glenn Wechter he is a contributor to the show Chris Chandler says everyone reads it as CJC Hand Jesse J thank you so much for the subscription we love it thank you so much from the bottom of our hearts you were the first subscriber how does that sound guys does that sound better and Jesse J I'm new to this same shit we're not used to having subscribers and bits and stuff because you know alright how's this sound guys does this sound all right still far away glenn i always thank her so much harder than you okay guys how about this one uh chris is saying you're still on a laptop mic and uh jeremy schmitz is saying sounds fine to me we're actually not on the laptop mic it actually we plugged into a new camera so we have the logitech brio and i think it's picking up that microphone so we're trying to get cause thank you for the subscription buddy i really appreciate it real tech high definition audio all right so how is that's probably really loud how's that sound check guys sound check one two much better Thanks, EBW.
    6:35
    All right. Billy Y.J., thanks for subscribing with Prime. All right, guys. Thank you so much for doing that. Sorry we plugged in some new equipment, and, of course, it's got to fuck all the settings up, right? So did you guys see our sponsors or what?
    6:50
    You take one part gummies, one part Kesslers, and two parts Pornhub. Sexy pajama party. Hotter than a bottle of Billy Mitchell's hot sauce, y'all. Yee-haw! Waka, waka, waka, waka, waka, waka.
    7:06
    Four Men's Pinball Podcast. Martin, tribe member number something, listener number 15, who does a lot of our bump stuff. That was the first time I heard that. That was freaking great, man. Billy Mitchell's hot sauce, waka, waka. Oh, I freaking love it. Ace, 8-Track, subscribe. Thank you so much. This is so fun that I get to shout this out on the show, guys. Seriously. This is exciting. Jesse J., thanks again for subscribing. Take that, Glenn. Oh, sorry. We're not going to go down that road.
    7:45
    It's a sexy pajama party, is it? I don't know. We need to have one of those. Yes, sir, always. Funny story, I was wearing my pajama pants before I came here today, and I was like, I'm not going to put on jeans today. And I was like, this would be something they would expect me to do. Yes, exactly. Whatever. but yeah oh uh eric uh homer ebw subscribe gasaholic subscribe thank you guys for all the subscriptions awesome jesse jay called me a nerd when i was trying to get us to our affiliate status because i was playing some game i don't know had rat people in there oh it's warhammer yeah i don't know when ian's doing this because obviously i don't live here i should but i don't and uh i'll just i'll just get the stream down here i stream in my i know daughter's play I'll get the notification that just says like, oh, Poor Man's Pinball is doing Warhammer. Poor Man's Pinball is streaming FX3. I was like, that's awesome. Anyway, welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball podcast, episode number 81. Cavalier, thank you for the subscription. The only podcast where the real pinball discussions happen on our fan page and not really on the actual podcast. The fan page has been on fire. They always have really interesting topics every week. and it makes me feel bad as a host of a pinball podcast where our topics are bullshit. Yeah.
    9:06
    Yeah, lately. Yeah, I can't disagree. Yeah. So well played, poor man's fans. The fan page has been, dare I say it, more fun than the tribe page lately. Yeah. That's a challenge to you tribe members, by the way.
    9:23
    So, anyways. I tell you. uh rapid flipper subscribe thank you guys i love it oh man we are on fire we're we're almost up to jack danger status just jack danger just texted me he said quit that shit yeah stop that shit give us another 20 years and we'll have a tenth of his subscribers nice okay uh so what do we got on tap today oh man i'm blushing over all these subscriptions man i see that trying to let me let Let me get back to my real notes here. Actual notes. So, Drew, you're the note guy. Everyone knows this. You're the one that plans our show. Pinball Doc, Jonathan Hall, thank you for subscribing. So, Drew. Yes? What do we have going on today? We have lots of people subscribing to our channel. I hear that. You're going to see Super Red Face Drew, and it's not because I'm drunk. That'll be later. It's because I'm embarrassed. You guys are awesome. Tim Lee, if you wouldn't have subscribed, I know where you live. I would have found you. there you go thank you sir thank you i'll thank you personally tomorrow um okay take that however you will it's happening kids all right what else um or what should we just start our show yeah let's uh let's reset here thanks for the subscriptions guys um what are you drinking today buddy uh today um oh we're gonna go into our new camera that screwed everything up yes It's our bar cam right now. This is all you're going to see of the bar cam for right now? It's a work in progress. It's a work. We only had a few minutes to talk about this. So Ian's like, let's just show them what we're drinking with the bar cam. That makes sense, right? Yeah. So this is the bar cam. It does prove that I have pinball machines down here. Yes. People were asking. The biggest issue we have at the moment is we just don't have audio yet to have it away from our – Well, clearly the thing has a microphone. Yeah, that works really well.
    11:27
    So, anyways, we're working out the kinks as usual. But we should talk about the camera. The camera was actually a gift from one of our friends and tribe members, Mike Williams. He gave us a Brio. He just offered. A Logitech Brio. It's a 4K camera. As you can see, it's pretty awesome. And thank you, Mike, for the wonderful gift. and um we're gonna do something with it yeah we're like i said that we just wanted to get it up and running and and uh ian came up with the idea of johnny cash because why not cash only it's a cash bar baby i love it cash bar baby or bits or bits whatever so today i'm drinking the george ocean this is the george ocean can you guys see that it's a delicious coconut rum you know i i Highly recommend this stuff over Captain Morgan's white coconut rum. It is clear, but, man, it is tasty. It is good. It's got a great flavor. Drew, of course, is drinking the Poor Man's with a Coke. Poor Man's Pinball Whiskey. It's not Kessler at all. Nope, not at all. This is our officially distilled booze.
    12:38
    Chris Chandler says, I prefer the Billy Ocean rum. To the Poor Man's Pinball Whiskey? Are you kidding me?
    12:44
    So get your votes in. We're not going to tally them, but get them in. So rum and Coke for me and whiskey and Coke for Drew. So that's what we're drinking. Cheers, buddy. Cheers. And our poor man glasses, right? From my beautiful bride.
    13:01
    Here, I'll put that in front of the camera, too, so you guys can see that beautiful. No, you can't really see it. Nope. The letters fade out with the coldness. Whatever. I'm done with this whole thing. The whole thing? The show's done. We're just throwing in the towel. This is episode 82, by the way, guys. So, 82, going strong. 81. Is it 81? It is 81. I'm sorry. 82. We have a special 82. I already did the intro, but since you aren't listening.
    13:31
    Brad Hopkins, thanks for the bits. You just go ahead, buddy. Guys, thank you for the bits. Okay. So, I think, as always, everyone wants to hear what we're doing in Pinball every week. Like, personally. should we we should we shall all right we're gonna we're gonna open up the bar come in grab a seat the bar is open could you hear that guys jesus that was loud okay so anyway we have uh the bar is open we're gonna do a little bit of talking about what's going on in our lives so drew i haven't seen in a week how are you doing uh i'm doing very well what you've been up to i have been playing a lot of spider-man of course and i am about how's that going for you it's going great good uh i'm gonna set the pinball world on fire as i often do they always want to know here's here's the hot take of the week okay they want to know true's hot take of the week it's always the same so go ahead it's not this is amazing well it is best game i've ever played not true all right go Very good. Not true.
    14:45
    So a lot of people compare, because as everyone knows, Spider-Man is a Richie design, and Star Trek, which is also a favorite of mine, is a Richie design. Both great games. Fun to play, fun to shoot, good rules, good depth. Everything's kind of there. That works. Coaster.
    15:05
    So I think the consensus is most people like Star Trek better than Spider-Man. I'm the opposite. Oh, come on. I think. You're just crazy now. And what's weird about it is I was going to buy a Star Trek before I got Spider-Man because I was like, you know, I really enjoyed that game a lot, even though the theme didn't resonate with me like Spider-Man does. So maybe that's what puts it over the edge for me. But, yeah, Spider-Man is a better game than Star Trek.
    15:35
    Blasphemy. You guys think that's crazy? I think that's pretty damn crazy. I don't know. I'll be honest. Really? Yeah, Star Trek shoots like a goddamn dream. Spider-Man's kind of an okay game, but it's not a game. It's not a world changer.
    15:49
    See, I disagree. I feel like people go out of their way to play Star Trek. But they won't go out of their way for Spider-Man. No. Come on, what do you guys think out there in chat? Spider-Man is better. Brad Hopkins. Seriously. Aha. Kaz, I like Star Trek so much I bought it twice. Yeah, well, there's that.
    16:07
    I can't. Oh, Chris Chandler. cannot get on board with that. Thank you. But BJ Boxxy, thank you. Spider-Man for me. Billy Yeager, Spider-Man is better. Star Trek kind of bores me. Jack Rabbit, Star Trek. Star Trek shoots better. That's what we're talking about. I don't care what it bores you. God damn it. It's all about the shots and layout. They're very similar. Shots and layouts, actually.
    16:30
    Just shut up. Way better, Star Trek. I just ruined the surprise. If you take Star Trek and you put it on top of Spider-Man, it's the exact same game. Steve Ritchie's been playing the same game the whole time. Is that what it is? Mm-hmm. No, the layouts are very similar. So anyway, you're liking it. I'm loving it. They weren't grandma coasters, by the way. I saw that in chat. These are Titletown pinball coasters. Yeah, Titletown. Now they're District 82. Is Rachel here? Speaking of Titletown? I haven't seen her yet. No? Okay. I saw her earlier. She was in Arizona. Ah, yes. She's moving mountains. Yes. Yeah, I saw that. Okay. Well, we miss you, Rachel. All right. So anyway. So anyways, that's my thing. I've just been playing it a lot, and yeah, I think it's awesome. Good. So yeah, very fun. Very fun. All right. What have I been up to? Well, shit, mostly. Let's see here. I was going to tell you the story about how we got to our final affiliate. I had to stream for an hour, and I got out of work early, and I was like, I can put an hour on a game real quick. now did i want to put an hour on a bunch of pinball games no because it takes forever i don't know why it just goes a little faster uh oh you mean like uh fx3 yeah i really wanted i really wanted to just like have a like a time suck so i put on the warhammer game it sucked the hour right out i did nothing on that game i think i lost a couple times and that was it i didn't even look at the chat until that hour was up and i looked on all i saw was one jesse j i saw that you called me a nerd which was pretty damn funny actually and two ryan kuiper finally like came in and like chimed in and said oh that's not pinball of course he did right oh kuiper of course kuiper come on kuiper's a tribe member in name only at this point oh that guy never shows up to these things kuiper we do miss you where are you man yeah whatever it's fine dead to me Dave Brennan came in and gave me shit that it wasn't pinball either.
    18:35
    You know, I'm sorry. This isn't called Twitch pinball. It's called Twitch. No one really knows what that means, but it's Twitch. That was what I was doing, man. I thought it was pretty damn funny. To be fair, wasn't Twitch built on video games? Well, to be fair, I was playing Pinball FX3, which is video games. Yeah, but I'm saying the Twitch platform primarily is video games. Video games and terrible podcasts. yeah so but that's what i did i thought that was damn funny so i did that we got our affiliate program and now you hear all the bits kind of emily and dr john subscribe with prime all the way from australia australia what is what is one bit worth in australia does that cost like a hundred dollars two bits double it one one bit cost two bits yeah i heard canada talking about your guys is uh the tax the what is that the 25 percent on that was in our uh you know what tax yep uh should we get into some news yeah we might as well because that that was actually what happened in pinball this week it was weird it was slim pickings but there was a lot of slim pickings right there was a lot of little things little feel-good stories um you know nothing with like new new games or anything like that but yeah just a lot of little cool things so let's let's Just go through them. How about that? Let's knock them off because we've got a lot of fun to do today, right? Number one, speaking of Dave Brennan, we have that Hot Wheels contest where they were giving away a Hot Wheels pinball machine. Did you enter? I did. You didn't win. I'm sorry. I did not win. No. I entered. I was going to tell you, and I was like, no. I entered. I want better chances. And I didn't win. Well, I was going to post it on our page, and I was like, I want better chances. We're selfish a-holes. You know, the 20 people that go on our page, I did not want to compete against them. I still lost, though. That's bad karma. So they did a thing with Jay Leno's garage. Yeah, Snoop was there? Yeah, Jay Leno, Snoop, and Gabriel Iglesias. What is it with Snoop where he can be in any place and look like he belongs there? Snoop is the ultimate. He's the ultimate celebrity. He's the ultimate. It seems like the person himself is just a genuine person. I was just about to say, he seems like one of those people that's just him. You know, he doesn't... Yeah, he still has like a normal house, too. He doesn't live in like a crazy mansion. Good for him. Good for you, Snoop. Snoop Snoopaloop. Yeah, but you're right. He just kind of shows up, does his thing, and he's like, yeah, that's cool, man. Oh, man, Snick and Schnack. Yeah, and then he makes up words, and everyone loves him for it. Oh, look at that silver ball. But when I make up words, people are like, Drew's drunk again. snoop makes white people feel cool that's 100 true yeah it is it is one of my one of my favorite snoop moments was when he was on the show weeds okay yeah weeds was a good show if you guys didn't catch it it was on showtime i believe you can see it on netflix now but it's about a suburban housewife who her husband dies and she starts selling weed you know and this was back in like the early 2000s so it was still like pretty controversial um but anyways uh snoop showed up in an episode and they went to sell him this new strain of weed that they had and he started calling it the milf weed because she's hot and she comes in selling this stuff and then he said he starts rapping like this this milf weed song and then it blows up because he raps and he put he puts it down a track and then uh all of a sudden you know this milf weed explodes all over california it was it was pretty funny though Tony Scoots gave us 50 for the Snoop Snoopaloop Thank you Thanks Tony Thank you Snoop Thanks for the bits Snoop So yeah Somebody won I forgot the name Somebody who wasn't us Someone out of Colorado I believe won that bastard I'm so jaded I really thought I had a shot at a Hot Wheels Are you ready for the biggest news story of the week? What is the biggest news story of the week? Stern's Heavy Metal is in production Oh Okay, moving on to the next story. Thank you.
    22:38
    I didn't see. What was it, Kaneda, who posted the sculpt, picture of the sculpt, and then compared it to Axl Rose. Oh, actually, yeah, I did see that. J.J.P. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's like. The big difference. It was like an action figure, this boobied girl from Heavy Metal, and it just looked kind of, I don't know. Like an action figure with no posable limbs. Yeah. Those shitty reaction action figures. So, yeah, it is what it is. I mean, they're probably only going to make 100 of these. They got other stuff to do. Stern, quit making heavy metals and start getting the shit off the line. Come on. Yeah, we're okay with that. All right. What else we got? Big news. Ben Heck. He said his new pinball machine is ready for hand-drawn artwork. By the way, all this news is from Twip. So go to This Week in Pinball. We're giving you bullet points here, kids. Yep. These are just the bullet points from this week because, you know. Okay. Go over there and read the stories if any of this interests you. I did like that Ben Heck was tweeting about how he needs this to be hand-drawn. Like, there's no... He's not doing any... Like, it sounds like Ben Heck is, like, taking the bull by the horns. Well... He's making this game for, like... Sure, but let me ask you this. Is any company ever going to do Photoshop art ever again?
    23:54
    But there's a difference between hand-drawn and what, like, Zombie Yeti and Chris Franchi do. isn't there what do you mean i don't think they're hand drawing everything what do you think they're doing i'm not an artist okay they use things and they use computers and they do a lot of oh you're talking about like actually like i'm doing this on paper and not on my ipad like he's doing like he wants hand drawn well no i think what he means is like like wonka right everyone gave wonka shit because they took some photoshop stuff and they put it on there what are you what are we talking about here people i i think we don't fucking know i know i think he's just talking about actual like i said they're not going to do anymore pin art stick figures the pin funny discussion just not on the same page yeah dr john we never uh so whatever whatever art they do is not what he wants he wants something more specific i feel no i feel like he wants a greg ferris look now as usual we didn't read any of this other than the headlines so it's probably in there but once again if you want to do that go go to twip don't go right now but go when we're done here go to twip and read all about it go to the kids we're merely making assumptions based on a title it's called clickbait people i was like i was on the other day and i was reading the pinball database i wanted to see where we are because we haven't checked we had 40 reviews if you haven't reviewed please review us um but they're like one the first one that popped up, it was like three stars, and they were like, yeah, you're not going to get much pinball news or pinball discussion,
    25:39
    but damn is it funny. Great show, guys. Three stars. I'm like, fuck. I love the great show, guys, but here's half the stars. Yeah, great show. You're okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. So anyways, I just think he's just talking about actually like an artist doing. And now if Franchi was on here he would be saying you know because what he does is obviously you know just because he doing it digitally I mean he still I not saying digitally versus drawing on paper dude Oh that what it sounded like you were saying There's certain things artists do to manipulate their canvas. I stand by my statement of you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You don't either. We don't know what we're talking about. Thumbs up. All right, move on. Move on. Moving on. Okay, thanks, Ben. This is awkward. Ben Heck, why don't you just text me and tell me what you were talking about? How's that? Thanks, Ben Heck. All right. Okay. Next up, Dutch Pinball. So they are building four games. These guys. They're building four games a week. What do you think about that? Good for them. I mean, that's a pretty good pace. I did hear they were doing a code update, too. Yep. And it says move into a larger building. Can I ask, guys? How the hell did they get that? I was going to say, why would you be moving? You're only making four games. Just keep churning them out. We don't know the size of the building they have now. Maybe the building they have now is only good for three beds. Well, I'm just saying let's get the people their games and then maybe talk about moving to another building. They're still not getting people games, though, right? Well, they're saying they're getting four games a week. Right, but this is still being sold. No, what it is. They're not making people whole. No, they are. So after they make X number of games, they make a person whole. Then they make X number of games, and they make a person whole. Well, right. But these games they're making aren't for the people. Well, I think the number was something like every 15 games they make. So like every four weeks, they're making another person whole. Yeah, that sucks. It does suck, but at least it's happening, right? Yeah. Slowly but surely, right? Okay. Anyways, moving on. More thumbs up.
    27:44
    Stern Pinball teases Pinball at Dave & Buster's. Did you see that one? I thought we teased Dave & Buster's with Multimorphic. They did. That was a test down in Austin, I believe. We tickled Dave's balls. But there was a... More tickles? And it sounded like it was a different sort of Dave & Buster's. It was called Dave & Buster's something. I don't know, like sports or something. So it's like a smaller venue. But anyways, they have several Stern games in there now with TV monitors over the game so you can see the play field. Oh, the bottom, right. No, that is not a shake. wait that's our uh vodka bottle it does look like a shake wait oh nice good eyes guys let's move that because i don't need that in the frame shaking away shaking away give me some ice while you're up ian um so yeah so they have they have actual stern games now at several of these dave and busters are they going to move into other ones i don't know it'd be cool to see them nationwide obviously it brings more pinball to the masses but i don't i don't foresee it being huge but You never know.
    28:50
    When was the last time you were at Dave & Buster's, Ian? Oh, I don't go anyplace that I don't like. And then the actual story that does affect us in some potentially negative way. This hat is for Jonathan Hall. He bought an Oktoberfest, by the way. So, Jonathan Hall, this is going out to you, brother. To Jonathan Hall. Hey, first pinball machine. Oh, awesome. Yeah, he had a virtual pin. No, I knew that. Wow. I can't believe that. And he went Oktoberfest. I'm so proud. It's a good first machine. Oh, it's a fucking killer first machine. It's almost as good as Eric's. Oh, let's not get too far there. Eric's Willy Wonka is a fucking ridiculous first machine. That was one of the, Eric, that's one of the best first machines ever. A Willy Wonka LE. Like, he's like, I think I'm going to get a pinball machine. And we're like, yeah, cool. It was either Playboy from Stern or the Willy Wonka. Do you guys remember that from episode whatever? I was going to get this $2,500 Playboy. But instead, I got a $9,000 Willy Wonka LE. God bless him. All right. Good stuff. 25% pinball tariff on USA imports to Europe. Oh, go fuck yourself, man. So what does that mean? That means that that Stern Pro is going to cost almost $1,000 more.
    30:10
    Actually, that'd be more, right? Because if they're going for, yeah, it'd be like $1,200 or $1,200. I don't do math. Just in general. It's one of my rules now in life. So by the time you pay for shipping and you get it over there, and you're looking at, I don't know, $7,000, $8,000 maybe for a Stern Pro.
    30:29
    That's tough, man. That is real tough. Oh, yeah. That's going to be hurting. People are going to be hurting. I mean, and then those upper-tier games that cost $7,000, $8,000, $9,000 here, that's going to be $15,000, $16,000, $18,000.
    30:44
    So I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. I don't either. You got anything else to add to that? I did. I said German fucking bullshit.
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    Sucks ass. My statement is it's bullshit. It's bullshit. Fine. And people are saying this is like, what is it, like revenge against Trump and his tariffs or whatever. But sorry, Emily and Dr. John, where's your wife's kibosh, Eric, about the Wonka? She encouraged the debauchery, actually. Sort of. I think she bought it for him.
    31:24
    I want a wife like that. Texas Pinball Festival? It's still on. For now, they're saying. Because it's Texas, man. They live in their own little fucking world of we don't believe in anything but what we're doing. What is it with Texas? I know. They're their own country. Well, they want to be their own country. They were their own country for a while. They're the lone star state for a reason. But they don't listen. They just don't listen to reason. Texas, listen to reason. No, they just do their own fucking thing. They don't give a shit.
    32:02
    I just can't imagine. And it'll be loaded full of Texans. They don't give a shit. I can't imagine a world where people are going to be traveling from all over to go there in March. No. Because, okay, even if it does go on, like, you know, and I hope it does, but I just don't see people rushing to go there for safety reasons.
    32:24
    So, I don't know. I mean, are they going to have it limited to capacity? Well, those are the questions they're talking about. You know, are enough people going to bring their games there? Do they want a bunch of strangers to cough and piss and shit on their games? I've never been to the Texas Pinball Festival. From what I understand, it's one of the busiest, most crowded pinball festivals. So it's, you know, asses to elbows and everyone's rubbing machines and each other.
    32:55
    Puking in the urinal and playing games. That's in Chicago. That doesn't happen in Texas. That happens right here in Chicago. What happens in Texas stays in Texas. Yeah, something like that. Yeehaw. Anyways, I just – Good for them. Yeah, I would love to see it at Vanderbean. I really hope it happens, but I just – I don't know. They're just like, fuck it, we're doing it. Fuck it. Texas, shooting the guns up in the air. Shooting cows. They're shooting the cows. Horse hunting, whatever they do.
    33:24
    It's like an office thing. All right, anyway. We just pissed off a bunch of Texans. No, it's fine. Sorry, Chris Chandler.
    33:30
    Yeah, he's going to get us some beaver nuggets. Are you hunting cows? Yeah, send us some more beaver nuggets. You told me that there's three different flavors of beaver nuggets. Well, I'd rather eat three flavors of those than any more flavors of moon pies ever. ever fucking not even banana not even banana hey i got second place in our taste test banana wasn't bad it was fine but just oh just like yeah those beaver nuggets three three flavors brother that's a game changer i told them i bet you they have one that's like chili lime right i could just see i'm just thinking about fajita fajita beaver uh uh two more pieces of news here uh there's a new topper company did you did you see this straight down the middle reveal no sorry zach so did you see it no oh i did not um i i read about it i i saw some pictures um there's a new topper company elite pinball toppers you know they're they're making these toppers for um you know just games like anyone they're trying to fill that void because now everyone's like i want toppers but i don't want to pay a thousand dollars i'm not doing it so they're making like really nice toppers and i think the first one was like 750 dollars so i think i think it's a good price it it basically it looks if you guys ever played the hobbit you know it has that little uh book monitor inside that plays clips from the movie it tells you what to do it just mimics that on a larger screen on top so it's kind of redundant but it looks really cool because it's like a nice wood book basically so it's very cool um but just not not really for me tony scoots it's a tv screen it is i mean it's it's big um so anyways uh while the hobbit topper is a high grade piece it's indeed screenception Screenception It is, I mean there's a lot of screens now And I just wish A screen within a screen within a screen Yeah, I love it I get what you're saying But what I don't like is that it's still $750 So it's like Yeah, you're better It's a better quality topper You're on the right track Is there somewhere out there Where we can just get old school Just get old school One thing that moves oh i could pass that to you buddy keep talking well an example would have been any of the stern toppers but not charge us a thousand dollars something like the stern topper like the teenage reenactment turtle topper which cost them five dollars to make why not somebody make something similar to that but only charge 50 bucks four hundred dollars well and that was the thing because uh dollars make sense sorry you said it go to your room goodbye folks and ian's done for the night it was a pleasure good night uh well my my issue is that uh you know it's it's a thousand dollars but they're gonna they're gonna keep making them because people are gonna keep buying them so yeah it is what it is i'm not a topper guy anyways so So, you know, I don't really.
    37:00
    Can I come back? Yeah, Ian, you are welcome back at the table. All right, cool. Just don't make any more bad puns or stuff like that.
    37:10
    Sorry, guys. All right. And the biggest news of the week, Jerry Sellenberg. Multimorphic. He got engaged. Congratulations. Way to go. You got an applause button. Push it.
    37:22
    Woo! Jerry Sellenberg, congratulations. Get that for some cheese slices. Cheese slices up, everybody. Cheese slice. Your happiness may go up and your bank account may go down. It will go down. Sell them Multimorphics, buddy. We need them. I also want to give some cheese slices to our buddy Jonathan Hall for his Oktoberfest. Jonathan Hall, wherever you are, eat this.
    37:48
    Jonathan Hall, I'm excited for your first pin. I really am. It's pretty cool. Very cool. So he actually put a pretty cool post because he had to have a little debate with his wife about it. Yes. And then he said he was going to put it on location for a little while, right, to try to make some of the money back. Yeah, yeah. Good plan. Yeah, it is. It is, depending on the location. But, yeah, make a little money, and that's a good plan. All right.
    38:15
    Is Jonathan Hall out there today? He's here. Oh, congrats, man. Congrats. All right. So what else we got? Jerry, congrats as well.
    38:23
    She is a lucky lady to have a mad scientist who knows how to work his magic on robotic parts. He says thanks, boys, with a cheese wedge. Oh, yeah, no worries. Mm-hmm.
    38:37
    So we're trying a new subject now. A new subject. A new segment. We do it every week, but now we actually have a name for it. So it's our happy hour. Oh, what are we doing, a happy hour? Yep, we interact with you guys and just have a lot of fun. So happy hour, yes. It's exactly how it sounds. Let's just fuck around on chat. I know that Tim Lee wanted to talk about ramps. Oh, that's actually, yes, that's a good topic. All right, here we go.
    39:03
    It's Poor Man Pinball Podcast Happy Hour, which can only mean through deep thought and self-reflection, we go to the viewers' comments.
    39:20
    All right, so. And we're back. So I know that Tim Lee posted something earlier today about ramp discussion, right? We're talking metal ramps versus plastic ramps. Did you guys have this discussion already, guys? Or tell me what the consensus is. So, yeah, it was metal versus plastic, right? Yep. And so what are your thoughts on that, first of all, Ian? No, it doesn't last an hour, Kaz. Don't worry about it, Kaz. It does not last an hour. Jesse J just says, I love ramp. That's like, what's his name from Anchorman? I love lamp. That's the joke. I get it. It doesn't work when you explain it, Drew, god damn it. Well, some people may not have seen it. Metal is strong and shinier. I vote for metal for sure. Okay. So metal, yeah, Emily and Dr. John says metal all the way. Thunderbird says the best plastic ramp in pinball history. I don't think so. Which one? thunderbird says that oh yeah uh glenn wechter says tim lee needs to die oh gleno plastic ramps are fast and smooth and somebody uh it's going really quick but the plastic ramps on whitewater i mean need i say more no it is dependent because um you know the the ramps on uh turtles pinball doc said whitewater good good call man no white Whitewater is probably one of the best plastic ramps, I would say. Two of the best. Yeah.
    40:54
    But, you know, the middle ramp on Turtles, there's some good ones. We were talking about Star Trek. You know, Star Trek is good on the Pro.
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    And, you know, Spider-Man has a plastic up ramp and then a metal guide coming back down. So that's a hybrid. Hey, what about a hybrid ramp? plastic on the way up this is like yeah what did we talk last week your carbon fiber i forgot about a wound of sheet yes yeah shut up um and so dr john plastic they yell over time get ball trail marks crack hard to remake yes no that that is all true that is true the worst thing on a Old creature, Black Lagoon, it's always those ramps look like shit. Same thing with World Cup soccer. Those plastic ramps look like shit. But when they're new and clear and, God, I do like a new plastic ramp, to be honest. Yes. But longevity and because I'm a poor man, I'd have to go metal. But I really do like me some plastic ramps. And I think everyone would like plastic ramps a little better if you could get replacements for all of them. Right. That's the problem because you can get a lot of them, but then there's a ramp here, 10 ramps here you just can't get. PlasticRamps.com. I don't know if that's a thing. Check it out, though.
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    It probably is, but it's probably not for pinball. Hybrids on Creech. Metal lift to a plastic ramp. There you go. you used to look good when you were new and clear too but look now i think he's talking about you new and clear me oh uh metal can clean up you're right how about a blunt wrap oh we've got off the rails we don't talk about that stuff here happy hour is done yeah you guys are you ruined it again did you guys read the chat rules there were very specific chat rules why don't you remind people of our chat rules and i didn't even uh everyone was talking about that before we got started today i've never read those well i i just did them i just did okay yeah i opened it up and i was like oh be good to each other right good be good to each other um and then i said something about australians are the are allowed to and i strongly encourage to use the word cunt but uh americans if you use that word you just you know yeah dirty mouth so those are the rules those are the rules i don't have many rules uh like in life so the guys i brought bought my taxi from this is from billy yj uh bought all the molds for williams ramps and then sold them to planetary pinball interesting jesse j it's a term of endearment here i know you guys can use that word like it's going out of style we talk about it it sounds great when you say it we say it once and like people look at us like we just kicked their puppy yeah yeah someone stepped on a baby it's always judgment so anyways um no i think and some of it's game dependent right sure so i don't know i mean i guess i guess at the end of the day for long oh i thought you meant cunts no not game dependent we're talking metal ramps or plastic ramps yeah metal or plastic i like plastic when they're new but obviously i'd have to go to metal for the win and your whitewater ramps were awesome yeah i think they replaced those they had to have been because they were they were really nice they were so clear It's clear and not a lot of scratching and just really nice.
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    But yeah, I think the previous owner replaced them. So why is it so tough? I mean, people make all these cool mods now with 3D printing and stuff. Why can't somebody just... I don't know enough about 3D printing. No, I don't either. Somebody does and just laughed at you. I know. You have 3D print all these ramps. We can't do that. That'd be crazy. And then you see somebody on freaking the internet making a gun out of a 3D printer. Yes, yes. Well, that's my point because they make a lot of cool mods. I would 3D print a 3D printer, and then I would have two 3D printers.
    45:02
    Or I just blew his mind. You did. I'd 3D print some money. Well, you thought you blew my mind, but I really just stopped listening. Yeah. I was looking right through you.
    45:13
    I was like, this show, guys, this show, I tell you. We did notes this time. Can I say something sacrilege here, as I often do? what if what if somebody recreated any ramp but they made it metal instead of plastic because metal metal is easier to work with than plastic i'm assuming for for a ramp so what if you just you know measured the curves and all the different things and you just made it out of wire form are you talking wire form and metal ramps either like like you had a plastic ramp it broke and now you replace it with a metal ramp i don't know enough we don't know anything i don't know how to make metal ramps haven't you why are we going into such details of these things haven't you read our reviews we don't know anything about pinball the masses have spoken all right so what else we got for news buddy anything else no that was it all right let's go let's let's let's let's spend a little bit of time let's pull a canada let's go up and down the the pinball industry and let's let's check in with everyone all right okay check away so stern having a hell of a year right lots of new code lots of games that are pretty goddamn good good good themes you know we had turtles We had Avengers, Stranger Things. This was brought up. Do you think there's going to be one more Cornerstone before the end of the year? Yeah, there should be. But they already had three. Don't they have four? No, it's usually three and then one or two. Are you sure about that?
    46:53
    So it was Stranger Things. It was Turtles. I know what they did this year. I just said that. Why not? I always thought they did four. What did they do last year? Oh, my God. I can't remember. They did Jurassic Park.
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    And Jurassic Park came at the end of the year. They did Elvira. Yeah. They did. Beatles, even though that was a Kapow game, that wasn't a cornerstone, right? I don't know. They don't consider that. Black Knight was. Black Knight. And then what else did they do last year? They do early. Oh, Munsters. Yep. So there you go. I thought they had four cornerstones. So what did we say? Munsters. One and a quarter. Jurassic Park.
    47:28
    Elvira. And Beatles, if you're counting. No, no, no. We're missing one now. God damn it. Fucking. Black Knight. Oh, yeah. Munsters. Black Knight. Okay. you're right so so you think they're gonna release something even though they have a backlog like a mile long yeah because they they just don't new cells get that new shit out baby they're gonna release one more at the end of the year okay yep it'll be late so you remember it was like it was just before christmas last year remember when they were yeah it was it was literally the 23rd yeah i think get your christmas present or christmas pinball pinball baby pinball um so But, yeah, Stern killed it this year. I thought they did really, really well with the license. I thought their last two titles, especially Turtles and Avengers, really impressed me. I thought they did some phenomenal work. Some of the best games they've released in the last few years, if you're asking me. Sure.
    48:26
    I'm a big fan of Elvira, of course, but the price isn't right on Elvira. Elvira was another kapow, wasn't it? No, no, no. That was a special edition. Yeah, I don't. It wasn't Kapow, but yeah, they considered it because, you know, Nordman worked on it. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, it was a Nordman company. Yeah, correct. Nordman. Nordman's special. Yeah, they didn't have a pro version. All right. Okay. So that brings up, actually, I kind of forgot about this in poor man's pinball news, but what I've been thinking about, I really like Elvira, right? Like, it is a fantastic game. That's a fun game. It's super fun. would you sell jurassic park to get alvira no no no okay i've been toying with the idea that's all yeah i'd sell just the park to get something new though if you're sick of jurassic park what would you get whatever's coming out next i don't know maybe not led zeppelin but i'd wait for next year so let's go into all right so stern killing it this year cgc been absent for like the last two years it feels like right cgc needs to get something out well of course according to franchi right cgc is going to be releasing well the hints are there but it's cactus canyon right we're pretty much sure that's a safe bet so cactus canyon for cgc probably going to be released in the next month right you'd say uh i'd say a few weeks maybe tomorrow we don't know mike williams shut your mouth avira not that fun yeah exactly mike thank you um it's a cool game but come on But no, so CGC, they know how to make games, and they are working with Ben Heck, right? And Spooky. Yes, to do some... Another game. License theme. A license theme.
    50:12
    So, what do you think the timing on that is? CGC could have a hell of a 2021. What about Deep Root? We're not talking about that. Nope. Until they get something online, they are banned from our show. Do you think CGC is going to ship a game before the end of the year? no no i'm sorry cgc i love you it is it is odd though that it's just like they're gonna have a good 2021 sure they'll have a cactus canyon and i bet you they release benek i bet you they're gonna do two games but they they haven't been able to do that either though but i think we haven't had a game in two years they're due no they're due for two games touche yeah they've been working on these things for a while we release an average of one game a year we missed We missed all of 2020. We missed a couple of years. Whatever. We're going to do two games. That's not true, though, because last year was when they were selling all the Monster Bashes. They were finally getting them out. No, I know. But they showed that the first time. Yeah, I know. Yeah.
    51:11
    Yeah, it's just frustrating because you know this cool stuff's coming. And all this stuff, it's not stuff I necessarily want to buy, but I just want to see it. All right.
    51:25
    Next one I want to talk about, Pinball Brothers. They did... Pinball Brothers. Have you guys been following Pinball Brothers on Facebook? They are doing this viral marketing. Do we have a crickets button? Anybody that's been following that, they're just losing their fucking mind because they have been trying to do this viral marketing now for the last two months. And I feel like every other day they post a close-up picture of something.
    51:53
    We all assume it a play field you know but it just super zoomed in This is on their Facebook page Yeah it super zoomed in it super obnoxious here i show you i pull it right up because it they post like fucking all the time pinball sisters is better says guys they're making my little pony but it's going to ship before the end of the year i hope so yeah just well that looks like that looks like aliens but but look at just just scroll this is what they've been doing so they've been shooting uh showing like close-up pictures the latest one which looks like the alien uh from aliens so yeah it really does it's like the like the xenomorph yeah xenomorph mouth so i know that the rumor was that they had the alien license from oh yeah just this ominous like it's just fucking it's really ridiculous though because the It just drives me nuts. It's just been really bothering me.
    52:52
    She's going through them right now. This is a... I get what they're trying to do. I don't like it. Live catch pinball. Do I still have my Oktoberfest? Check that out. See that Oktoberfest over there? It's beautiful. I'll play a few games on it tonight. The bar cam is working. Yes. So, yeah, they've been doing this viral marketing. I can't stand it. It's been driving me nuts. On follow. Just driving me nuts. Well, I'm starting to post mean things. Read out Ian's last 10 Google searches.
    53:25
    Who is saying this? Dr. John. What does that even mean? He wanted me to go in your browser and see what you've been. I don't know, John, but it was hard for me to let go of that phone, if you know what I'm saying. A little sticky.
    53:39
    Yeah, it's not good. It's not pretty. It's not pretty anymore. So anyway, I just wanted to say I hate the Pinball Brothers, and I hate their viral marketing, and I would rather not talk about them ever again. Let me go back again. Go for it. Seeing all those pictures, doing a couple of them would have been fine, but just all those pictures, it was just like it was too much, and it doesn't – It's been going on for months. Oh, really? That's what I'm saying. It's just too long of a burn. And they're not getting any kind of buildup. Nobody cares. No, because they've probably gotten more unfollows than anything. When you said Pinball Brothers, I knew of them, but I'm like, yeah, what are they working on? I think they're working on Alien. I think that was the Kaneda rumor, that they're the ones that purchased it from Highway Pinball. Do they have the license? Yeah. And the whole Kaneda episode, they talked about how they're switching it from a wide body to a standard body. I heard that. Yeah, those are those guys. So whatever. Is this another Deep Root situation, though? I don't give a shit. I'm not going to get it anyway. Who comes to market first? Deep Root or Pinball Brothers?
    54:48
    Wow, they both showed just the same amount of game. That's so interesting. Yeah. Hey, we got a play field done. Ready?
    54:55
    That's not true. Who comes to market first? They'll say Deep Root, but... That's just because they at least have prototypes.
    55:04
    They got the fish tank. I was going to say they have prototype fish tanks. They're fine. You know, the more I look at it, the more I do think of Homer Simpson's car. You know? Oh, my God, yes. You know, wouldn't it be cool if we slapped this on it and this on it? It doesn't look streamlined at all. It feels kind of. Dr. John says deep poop. Deep poop. Yeah. All right. That's a new name, deep poop. All right, so what else we got? We kind of touched a little bit on Spooky Spooky. Yeah, Mike Williams. They are doing standard because no one's doing wide bodies anymore. I think they all just determined, like, it's too expensive, the return on investment. I mean, I'm guessing just from, you know, what you hear the actual designers and stuff talk about. You know, there's just more bomb. There's just more. You got to you got to make a new cabinet because, you know, like imagine if Stern did it. You know, Stern's been using the same cabinet for like 100 years. Right. And now all of a sudden they're like, oh, we got to make a wide body cabinet. You know, it's just it's just all new parts. Yeah. They're going to be like, is this is this a wide body? How wide is the wide body need to be? George Gomez. We have 10 million of these lock bars, lockdown bars. We know how we're not buying more. You know how we have three flippers and three pop bumpers and two ramps in an orbit?
    56:17
    It's not enough. How are we going to fill this box up? We need five pop bumpers. Hey, get that guy on the phone that designed that bobblehead for me. We're going to need some more bobbleheads on here. All right, so anyway. Go ahead. So Pinball Brothers, I don't give a shit. We're not talking about Deep Root. CGC, we're talking about Stern. Jersey Jack. Man, I think they hit fire with this Guns N' Roses. Don't you agree?
    56:44
    Yes. I mean, all I'm hearing is people wanting to buy this game. But what about the play field issues? What about them? We're not going into clear coat again. No, no, but just in general. What are we going to do? Something's blistering by the post. What are we going to do? Well, my question is, do you think it's going to turn a lot of people off or not? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe or maybe not. Maybe people will realize, hey, it's pinball and shit's going to get wrecked anyway. Sure. I want to play the game.
    57:16
    Well, and once again, I think there's a large percentage of buyers, maybe not large, but there's some buyers that they don't even know that issue exists, even if they have it. Sure. But you know the people that do know it exists, that's all they're looking for. Correct. Yes. It's ugly. Once again, we don't talk much about the guy or woman or whoever that's just going to buy a game for their basement. They know nothing about pinball. And they're like, hey, check out my new Guns N' Roses machine. And their buddy comes over, and they're like, that's freaking awesome. How do you open this thing up? You know what I mean? John Hall, aluminum foil plate filled in them.
    57:57
    Carbon fiber. And ramps. Oh, no, art by Drew. Ready? Here's my stick figures. That's Axl Rose, bro. Dude, don't you see? That's not a dimple. That's the foil crinkling. That's a play field feature. Interactive play field. Do you see those two circles? Those are supposed to be boobs on that groupie.
    58:21
    Large percentage of pinball buyers don't go on pin side. Fuck, I don't go on pin side. Cpdaddy111 says, not always looking for it, but this scared me off. Yeah, no, it's true. No, it's true. If you know about it now, that's my point. There will be some people who say, I'm not going to pay all this money and have this. Yeah.
    58:41
    Is it worth the risk when you spend that much money? How does that affect resale? Imagine this scenario. Having to deal with fucking talking with Jersey Jack and trying to get yourself a populated play field. Like, oh, my God. Imagine this. You're one of those guys who don't know anything about pinball, right? You buy this machine. then a year goes by and you're like i want another machine i want to sell this one you go to sell it and some pinhead comes over and he's like dude do you see all that pooling he goes what the fuck's pooling yeah exactly and and then he shows you and explains it and he's like oh you want 9 000 for this le i'm gonna give you a you know i'll give you 7 500 bucks you know or something yeah that's that's what i you're right oh you love your new toy and then you call your buddy over because he's a pinhead and the guy yeah your whole night yes he's like oh man you got fucked and you're you were having so much fun playing it you didn't even give it you loved it and then he pointed it out oh dude it's defective look so to you pinhead who goes over there don't be a douche don't be a douche just don't don't do it bite your tongue yep don't do it don't email us tell us all about your terrible friend who yes but don't who got suckered by and then his wife gets mad at him and she's like oh you spent all this money on this thing and i wanted a new car yeah what did you do you had to get yourself a guns and roses pin we're just we're just making up voices and people now moppy's dead whatever happened had the puppet pals come up with another episode i did i thought oh really Maybe Moppy and Macho had too much cocaine and died.
    60:27
    Oh, my buddy. Oh, yeah, Moppy. Yeah, Macho loves his cocaine. So is that pretty much it, though? That's the pinball people, huh? We got them all? All the pinball?
    60:38
    Pinballers? Oh, Kelts, man. Our friends in Australia. Hoggis Pinball. Yeah, it sounds like Damien's still kicking ass. They're making games. I'm Damien, the Mr. Independent Wealthy Person. I don't know how he's able to do all this that he does, but this guy gets it done. Tim just asked how much is Kelts. Yeah, I think it's about $6,000, give or take. Plus six, plus the way you want it set up, probably closer to eight. Yeah, and it was like somewhere between $700 and $1,000 to get it shipped here. Yeah, but it was fun. It was a cool game. It really is. uh we didn't really talk about this but um you know spooky um was talking a little bit more about um total tna 2.0 yes something that we broke by the way like a year and a half ago uh a poor man's exclusive that was a poor man's exclusive by the way we had uh uh who was it charlie yeah when we were talking to charlie charlie talked all about 2.0 updated sound package update updated lighting package um you know some tweaks to the play field um maybe even uh some tweaks to the art but yeah the 2.0 will not feature like new shots or anything no but it'll be a nice the cabinet upgraded the the cabinet will look will be an exact same cabinet as rick and morty yep because the other cabinet was like slightly shorter squattier so if you guys want to learn more we did go to spooky that was last year sometime in uh i don't know fall yeah i don't know yeah we uh it was a while ago though uh but i was excited about that a year ago yeah tna has always kind of been on my radar it's just one of those games that when charlie went on the poor man's pinball podcast poor man's exclusive and we used to do interviews yeah that that was our first sober interview actually that was all right charlie was so cool though he really was uh yeah bug bug was there too so that was that was neat thank you bug love you um but yeah i i think uh but when are they gonna get that done though i mean that's gotta be so far down the pipeline for that how the fuck are they that's my point because like they're gonna be making rick and morty's for at least another it's gonna be 42 and he's gonna be like all right these rick and morty's are done what do we got next dad where are you dad where is everybody ominous um I didn't say Charlie's dead.
    63:07
    Stop. I'm going to get a beer. Give me one, too. Maybe this thing, though, with CGC, they'll be able to make a game, make the Ben Heck game with CGC, get that going, and then finish Rick and Morty, maybe start something else, and then maybe they can get CGC to help them make TNA. I mean, that would be freaking awesome. I would love to see another. TNA 2.0 should have ramps, Kaz. That's blasphemous.
    63:44
    Kaz also says, Drew has sold 37 games since then. Hard to keep up. Actually, I looked on Pinside because that's the only way I can keep track these days.
    63:54
    And it was either 16 or 17 games that I've had. And I only have six in my collection. So do the math. um bar cam no no tequila in these oh i'm having tequila okay tequila in these all right you twisted my proverbial arm oh no not my proverbial my uh poor man's pinball show arm all right so anyway so no i'm i'm excited about it though so yeah poor man's pinball with the exclusive. Two X's, Spotted Cow.
    64:31
    Tony Scoot says, TNA 2025. Yeah, maybe. I mean, they're going to get through it. But I think CGC might have their hand in helping them. I'm old. So pretty cool stuff. What did I see the other day? I watched. Oh, shit. Uh-oh.
    64:49
    That's mine. I don't know if this was new or old. I think it was older, and I don't know if it was on Twip or So Forgive Me. Spilling tequila everywhere.
    65:03
    But speaking of CGC and – because there – is that – no, that is CGC that does Churchill Cabinets, right? They make the cabinets? Yeah. So they had a video from a couple of years ago where they toured the factory, and it was just really cool to see all the arcade cabinets, all the pinball cabinets, the playfields being cured. Very cool thing. Where did you see that? It was just a video. Like I said, I don't know if I was on YouTube or I was on Twip. Like I said, it was a video from a while ago, but just Google it, just Churchill Cabinets. And it was just a really cool walkthrough of their factory and just seeing all these stacks of wood everywhere and just making these awesome cabinets and just how they do it. The coolest part was when they put these cabinets together, they just use this old template of this wood, and it goes in this thing. They can do two at a time. They put them on each side, and it just presses the cabinet together. It's really crude, but it just makes this beautiful cabinet. It's awesome. Cool, man. So, yeah, it's just a neat video for all you pinball peeps out there.
    66:17
    All right, so what else have we got going on? Pour it over the laptop. Are you mad at me? Stacks of wood. What's that? Jesus Christ. Just shake it up, man. Ian is so extra trying to drink a beer. This is me shaking it up. So extra. I see what you did there. That was a Drew pun.
    66:34
    That was it. Pour it over the laptop. Are you saying this show sucks, Glenn? You guys suck. All right. So, Drew, what else do we have in our notes, bud? What else do we want to take? That was it. All right. No, it's all right, man. We're an hour and 12 minutes or so into this dumb thing. All right. So let's go into.
    67:00
    The heavy slurring and incoherent babbling can only mean one thing. It's time for last call. So this is a segment we like to call. So loud. Last call. We'll get it working. Yep. Like I said, it's kind of our new format. Just so you guys know, if you guys are keeping score at home, it is the bar opening, which is basically news, but a very cool bar. It is. One of the best. It is happy hour where we're going to chat, and we're going to have a lot of fun interacting with you guys, which is awesome. Once again, thanks for the subscriptions and subs. Jesse J., thank you so much for the subscription. It means so much to us.
    67:45
    And then we have Last Call, where we normally do mailbag. We didn't have much mail this week. I'll ask again. Poremanspinball at gmail.com. Send us your mail about anything. Most of you guys. See, we're so interactive now. I was going to say. Nobody wants to send an email. Yes. We're too busy shooting the shit on the pages. Yeah. I talk to a lot of you guys during the week, which is awesome.
    68:12
    But, yeah. But if you guys want, just send us some emails. I feel like there was something. there's probably some buried because we had a lot of stuff going on this week but hey before we get into that let's uh before we get into billy yj i think jesse j has replaced tim as the favorite well this comes as no shock jesse j is a little better looking than tim lee i mean come on it's close it's close i've seen some pictures of tim lee i stalk him every day yeah he's all right he's doing a lot he's doing okay and that and girl way cuter than his wife oh sorry i have to look at ian's screen because so jesse jay's yeah jesse jay's saying all this like crude stuff and it's it's uh blocked in my chat because i'm just on the regular chat so all i see is the stars um so wait what do you what do you want to see jesse jay Nip, or she's unsubbing. You know what? All right, before we get into Nip, are you fucking kidding me right now? Oh, that's – hey, we're affiliates now. They can't kick us off.
    69:21
    We made it. It makes me so happy. How's that? Is that good? Did I do good? You did great. All right, so we're stalling a bit. But Glenn, Glenn the Skateboarder, Glenn, our tribe member, number seven, and Tim Lee came together Drew and I know you have not heard this I heard it I like to be excited by this stuff it's fucking amazing I like to be really excited about this stuff they came up with a new segment for you guys I would like to challenge them Glenn I want this on every episode and I think everyone will agree once I play this I'm really excited about this I want this in every episode it's short, it's sweet and it's fucking genius here we go Real Podcasts of Genius.
    70:35
    It's where they're beanies. Sometimes you want to give the middle finger, but you just give them that pointy finger, because you're from Utah. Just don't bring up deep roots. Sure, you might not win a Twippy by being nice, but you can lay your heads on that comfy pillow at night knowing your logo is on a pinball machine. Don't get it untrue. So mix yourselves a couple of Shirley Temple's loser kids, because you'll always be winners with us. These guys always get the best interviews Am I fucking right? We should do that every damn show. That was spectacular. It was genius. It was perfect. And what were those commercials spoofing that was... The Real Men of Genius? Yeah. I forgot. Glenn, help us out. What are those from? They did those for like a year or two. I loved them. Yeah, they were great because it was always just this... Was it a beer commercial? Bud Light. Okay. CP Daddy. Bud Light. That's right. Okay. Thank you, CP Daddy. All right. So let's go into Mail Call. Oh, and guys, by the way, if you want to, because I saw some people said take it off, we will, at a later episode, we will have a give bits for donation to take it off and then give more bits to put it back on charity event. Yeah, that's right. We also have to come up with our menu because we will do shots for a certain amount of bits. Yeah, we're working on a lot of that stuff. It's going to be bad. It'll be fun. It's going to be bad for us. All right. So, all right. So, mail call. The first one is from Scott Volk. Scott, he just says, well, this fucking blows. And he sent me a screenshot of. So, he emailed him or messaged him? I'm assuming he messaged him. Like on Facebook? Yeah. So, he actually, remember last week we were talking about how it would be amazing to not only drink with billy mitchell but to get billy mitchell on our show well apparently scott actually did invite him to join us on the poor man's pinball podcast and billy mitchell said this scott thank you for the invitation i recently decided to stay off podcasts and shows to divert my attention elsewhere please tell everyone on the show that i appreciate the sincerity and kindness and that i return the greetings of goodwill hopefully when times get better it will be Easier to find time for a podcast with you all. Never surrender, Billy Mitchell. That's awesome. Now, here's the question, because I just thought of something.
    73:06
    He didn't mention us by name. I'm pretty sure Scott was inviting him to a better podcast, but it was nice that he sent it to us. Okay. Thanks, Scott. He sent that to all the podcasts. He did. I don't know how many other podcasts are looking for Billy Mitchell shit. Okay. I would love it. Okay. Billy, I love you. A couple questions for all you guys out there and you too. so billy mitchell what grade celebrity is he a b c or d are you talking to us in the world of celebrity yeah he's he's at the bottom right he's a he's a dealer he's a g okay it's a video game celebrity we're we're d listers in the pinball world right we're the outcast we're also fine okay g f q m z yeah we're we're down there right cool i'm fine We don't know pinball. So what is the highest grade celebrity we're ever going to get on our show? It would be G. It would be Billy Mitchell.
    74:04
    So we're reaching for the stars, Billy Mitchell. Bring Billy back down here. Show us your waka waka. Come here, Billy. We need you, sir.
    74:16
    Jeff Patterson sends us a really nice message. I figured I'd just say it. Hey, I just wanted to say thank you for the kind words you say about Twip on your podcast. Yeah, it sounds silly, but it does mean a lot. Thanks, guys. So I found that very touching and sweet. Jeff is a touching and sweet guy. He likes to touch sweet guys.
    74:32
    But the thing with him is it's like I don't think he listens. Yeah, he is one of those guys. He's like, he'll say something. You're like, dude, we talked about this last week. And he's like, oh, yeah, great. Yeah. No, he just, you know. We love your innocence, Jeff. We love it so much. And he's so funny about it because he, you know, we joke about Twip a lot. You know, we talk, oh, we didn't read it. but you should read it you know but we do love twip and we love jeff jeff is if you've never met him at a show or whatever two things are true there he's amazing i do love twip and i don't always read it yes but i do but we love jeff yes absolutely all right um oh mike williams says we're probably a b pinball thanks mike williams well that's i'll take it and generous brother we're a b in the pinball media world yes we are the smallest media world in the world um oh and jesse jay uh eating a cow pie cow pie as i watch y'all today straight out of wisconsin see the picture she sent us oh my god way to go jesse jay but jesse jay i appreciate she's got the shirt on and we should probably touch on that when you were able to send out all of our shirts so finally yeah we guys we we still have boxes of t-shirts so please go to silverbell swag.com uh don't forget to buy our shit yeah um we have some more to give away we'll be doing that over the next few weeks for christmas yes maybe some christmas gifts but yeah thank you guys for all the great pictures so we sent them to people and they did a bunch of they called them obligatory pics yeah putting putting our shirt on a pinball machine so there was a lot of jokes that's the thing now trending up yep jesse j's joke trending up pinball man's pinball shirts and there was a lot of jokes this week about oh that game sucks we don't want to be on that game this game is awesome thanks for putting us on there she because i i made some jokes with uh was it cause with the beatles yeah the beatles yep because uh jesse j put it on the shadow which is an awesome game beatles is cool too did you see they photoshopped your face with alec baldos because there are a lot of jokes i sent we should put that on our podcast we should there's some uh there's some good pictures so go anyways go that was on the fan page i believe so yeah yeah go go to our fan page uh find the there's a lot of good stuff in the comments yeah i so i'm sitting i'm sitting on my couch you know having a few drinks watching tv it's just me and the dogs and i see this thing with jesse j or kind of going back and forth in the comments and then i just took this like random weird creepy picture of me like here i'll show you it's like this you know they're all weird yeah so uh but yeah then then i got photoshopped on alec ball in space perfect That was Tony Scoots. Thank you, Tony. Yep, yep. Thanks, Tony. Good stuff. Oh, shit. That was a lot of fun. I was like, oh, my God. I was cracking up.
    77:22
    But, yeah, I'm just picturing my wife coming down. I'm looking at my phone like this. So, anyways, no, thanks for the good times, guys. Appreciate that you guys want to wear our swag, our silver ball swag.
    77:36
    Jesse J., it's nearly my birthday. Request saucy kilt content. you know what Jesse J for sure when's your birthday exactly and I'll make sure that happens on on the show I got one quick important note Tim Lee was the writer of that genius segment just yeah yeah I sorry we got distracted but so Tim Lee wrote it out Glenn obviously is the musical genius he was able to sing it out and edit it and make it all look nice I don know which was more talent honestly in that one That's a great job, guys. Glenn has the pipes on him. I don't even have anything. Real man.
    78:14
    Real. Real man of genius. Real. I said real. Sorry. I'll stop. I don't. Yeah, please. do i i don't even have anything snarky to say about tim lee because it was so good so tim lee great job man well done seriously and cp daddy says stop ian and uh i echo those sentiments please stop i said real man of genius dr john says zach many eat your heart out yeah that guy that guy just wants to sing on every episode i love you really oh yeah i love how and dennis shuts him down every time he goes if you sing one more time i'm i got you sorry about that um so that looks like singing probably a good thing we can't hear so so we were talking about maybe i was like well are we are we wrapping up the show and drew said i'm just getting started should we do a fucking friday um so we we're thinking about just doing a fucking friday and we need some topics to talk about but before we get into that i wanted to tell you about a story about i was at work the other day and i had my poor man's pinball mug and it has the franchise logo on it and they're like wow that's a really cool design they really liked it then they asked me what the turtle was all about so then i go into this fucking heartbeat thing and i'm getting angry describing it because i'm still not over how pseudo science that is that your heart just has a certain amount of beats and uh donald trump the girls the same thing the girl and he's the president girls that i work with they were both like well no that that makes sense and then they stopped and they thought about it like no that makes no fucking sense i was like i know but but they they didn't we argued about it for like three weeks but they thought about it for a while didn't they no no we were done that afternoon we were done we figured it out figured you it doesn't take into account like other things nips for bits i told you that's coming in a future episode that will be a segment nips for bits oh my god yeah so let's talk about this bit bitty stuff right titties for bitties or whatever you want to call it could be yeah so what we were thinking about is um shots we have some uh we chose which ones we would actually do on air so we do have a brand already planned out um yeah it'd be like five bucks buys us around five bucks buys us a shot does that make sense something like that yeah we're what do you guys think of that you guys want to see us get really fucked up well Do you guys hate us that much? They do. We think you do. Yeah, so we've talked about it, and I definitely need to do it, like not work the next day probably. Yeah. Or start a little earlier or something, but yeah. Or end earlier. Yeah, but yeah, we're certainly willing to give it a shot. Drew, I don't feel so good. I'll sleep on Ian's front lawn like that one day. What episode was that? I don't know, but it was a bad one. Yes, yes. And a great one. Just for you guys who don't know, yeah, there was an episode of our podcast, and we were still doing the old school audio. Just the audio. Yeah, it was crazy. Anyways, yeah, we got just nutty and crazy, and Ian didn't know this until the next day, but I think I pissed in his sink, his laundry sink. Because he doesn't have a bathroom downstairs, but there's a laundry sink in the next room, so I went over there. From 20 feet up. Yeah, whatever. That was too far. So anyways, then I'm getting ready. Listen to this, right? I'm getting ready for my lift, and Ian's drunk, and I'm drunk, and he's just like, bye, see you later. I'm like, yeah, I'll wait for my lift, and I go outside, and I just lay down in his grass. And I'm just like, I'll just lay down here for a while until my lift gets here. That's what we could talk about. We could talk about our Death March Packer game. Oh, yes. You wanted to talk about it. Yes. Yes, yes. You want to go for it? Yes. So.
    82:27
    All right, here you go. Many, many years ago, there was a Packer game, and Ian and I had tickets, and we were going to drive up there, which we did. And on the way up there, we were, when were we talking about the Riot Punch? That was a couple episodes ago. Yeah, a couple episodes ago. Oh, no, we were talking about it when we were the guests on Super Awesome Pinball Show. Oh, Super Awesome Pinball Show, yes. because they were talking about Christian Lion. I was talking about Wapitui and what he used to drink. Jungle Juice. Yeah, Jungle Juice he called it. So Ian came up with this thing called Riot Punch. Stole it from its only sunny in Philadelphia.
    83:05
    Well, I came up with the name. Well, the name was stolen. Ron Diaz Rum. It was the cheapest booze we could find, which was Ron Diaz Rum, which you can still get at the worst liquor stores. Yeah, it's like $8 for a big, big-ass bottle. We didn't want to pay for the Gatorade. We paid for Powerade. So just like a fruity drink and a bunch of rum, and you just pour a whole thing of rum in it. Yeah, it was like a 50-50. Yeah.
    83:32
    So we're drinking this the whole way up. Now, we don't condone drinking and driving. This whole story is so stupid, and I cringe every time. But Drew's been wanting to tell this story on our podcast for a while now. It gets better. So, yeah, we're driving while drinking straight nasty-ass rum. Grandi-ass rum. Okay, go ahead. Keep going. So we – I don't remember this one this much. It's about a two-and-a-half-hour drive from Milwaukee to Green Bay. Not that day. We have a hotel room there, by the way, so we're not – Totally responsible. Yes.
    84:12
    We're drinking on our way out, but we're not going to drink back. we're not going to drive back so we we get up there and if you guys don't know like you know green bay is actually like a small town but because they have this big football stadium and so eight days a year for their eight home games this town just becomes inundated with people and they don't have enough structure for like parking and stuff so you you actually pay people to park on their lawns.
    84:48
    So we pay someone $20 or whatever, so we park on their grass. And most of these people have grills going. It's just a big party. It's like a street party, right? So we get out. We're at these people's house, and they're very nice guests. And the first thing we do is decide to pee in their bushes.
    85:08
    And when I say we, maybe it was me. You guys notice I pee everywhere. It just happens. It was you. I got out of my car. I was like, what the hell are you doing? So anyways, we're – I knew that was wrong. Yes. So we're there, and we get out, and we're just – we're having a great time. And like I said, it's just a big street party. Everyone's having a good time. And then you've got to walk to the stadium, which is several blocks up or whatever, because like I said, you just park where you can. And we get into the stadium. Whoa, you missed the whole part. Which part? Remember we went in the trunk, and we had 24 glass bottles of Miller Lite. Oh, yes. We loaded our hands. Ian and I tell the best stories together. We're carrying these glass bottles of beer. And I was wearing a hoodie like I often do. I'm wearing one now. Actually, a Packers hoodie, funny enough. And we were so drunk, and we walked all the way to the stadium. So we each had, like, yeah, literally five or six bottles, whatever we could carry. By the time I got to the stadium, I had dropped all the beers except for one.
    86:11
    And people are watching them. They're dropping and breaking. Oh, it was awful. Like, crash, boom. And Ian's like, just go. Just keep walking. I don't know what's happening. Keep going.
    86:24
    Oh, Jesus. But then we get into the stadium. So now, you know. Why they let us in, I don't know. Yeah, we get to the stadium.
    86:34
    And Ian and I have only. Were you ever at Lambeau before that? Once or twice? Yeah, and I've been there a couple of times. Three or four times, yeah. But it's always awestruckening, strickening, whatever. He was off-struck. He was thunderstruck. Thunderstruck, yeah. So we walk in, though, and Ian's eyes just light up. Of course. And this is one of the rare times. Holy ground. I'm the babysitter. I'm drunk, but he's like. Yeah, this is why I wanted to tell the story, because I'm the one that's off the rails. Yeah. I'm not going to go. I don't remember what happened. Got it. So.
    87:08
    That gets better, because I remember the next five minutes. Yeah, and we'll get to that in a second. so so we're in there and he's he's looking around like so so my son is special needs right he's he's 23 years old and he's basically like a three-year-old and you know he he likes the lights and stuff like that when i play pinball you know that's how he is i always joke that ian looked like my son jj that day he's looking around he's like oh i can't believe it you know this is awesome and i had to like grab him a few times because he was literally like wandering he was just like walking aimlessly to i don't know what you know like he's babysat me a thousand times so i'm like ian get over here let's let's get to our seats he's like babysat me a few thousand times so he's like okay cool so so we start heading back to the seats and lambo field is just all like bleachers and you're sitting you know you're packed in and you're sitting next it's it's it's always sold out and so we're ass to ass with everyone and we're with all the packer fans so we think, hey, this is going to be a positive experience, right? Well, the Packers aren't doing so well that day, and Ian starts swearing. We're around all these families and stuff. This is a family place. And Ian starts really seriously dropping some F-bombs, and this lady in full Packers gear. I was shocked that it was the third quarter already. I missed the first quarter. Yeah, well, yeah, we did miss the first half. I said, what the fuck? It's the third quarter? And this lady. I wasn't swearing at the game. I didn't know what was going on in the game. I was just shocked it was the third quarter. This lady turns around and scowls at him. And then the second or third time, she's like, I'm going to get the usher or whatever, and I'm going to get you kicked. I mean, she was mad. I don't remember that. I remember high-fiving her. Well, at first. Because at first you were fun. No, at the end. She loved me at the end. Oh, did she? Yeah, she loved me at the end. I think you're a little fuzzy there. I smoothed her over. But she was really mad because Ian's just cussing like a sailor in front of all these kids. Everyone's there. She didn't have any kids. He didn't drop any C-bombs, though. But anyways. That's the form of a deer man in some countries. Was this the same day that we met those girls at the bar? Okay. I just want to make sure. Oh, you met them at the stadium. Yes. So we met these couple of girls. One was really tall. All right, hold on. Go ahead. I'll tell this part. Okay. Okay, go ahead. So Drew and I are gone. We're on a different planet, but we're still sitting in our seats at Lambeau Field. True story. and I look over to my right, and Drew's to my left, and seats are empty, whatever. And then I'm looking at Drew. I'm talking to Drew. Hang on. CP Daddy says, should we be telling this story? Hope before you're married.
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    I've told every one of these stories to my wife. She knows all of them. Yes. There's no secrets. I was single at the time he was married, I believe, or you were engaged. Yeah. It was close. and i look again and there are two beautiful girls there that one was an amazon princess one was gorgeous and one was very pretty yeah and very attractive the gorgeous girl sits next to me and she starts to talk to me and she wanted to know what bar we're going to next and i was trying to form words uh but i figured out that we were going to a bar and she definitely was into me here's the funny part i'm five foot seven i'm not a tall man we all decided to go to the bar together and we all stand up at the same time the girl that was hitting on me the very pretty one she was so fucking tall she was literally over six foot But, yeah, she was so tall. She was 6'1", very tall. Which didn't bother me, but I think it bothered her because she looked down at me.
    90:56
    And CP Daddy? I felt like a little kid. I was like, oh. CP Daddy, to your point, if my wife was sitting right next to me, I'd say the same thing. I would have climbed her.
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    But here's the funny thing. The pretty girl that was next to her was exactly my height. So I go, hey, how you doing? My name's Ian. And she was a little cold, if I recall. The shorter one? She liked me. regardless the the tall one or the short one they both liked me at one point well now now it's getting a little fuzzy no i went on a date with the short one i remember yeah that's right yes remember i do remember that so we all go to the bar regardless and me and the short one are hitting it off pretty good and then uh drew's getting upset with me because i'm trying to take her back to our hotel so we have hang on hang on so so going back to we're just sharing a bed i just want to set the scene again so once again green bay like i said they don't have the infrastructure okay so like i said it's only eight days a year that they they get all these people that they really can't accommodate so what that means is all the hotel rooms are obviously booked and we booked late so the only thing we could get was a motel six room not that there's anything wrong with that but it's just you know it's just a motel six it's a standard room so ian and i get this because it was like literally the only room left in town it was like a hundred you know dollars or whatever, which normally is like 50 bucks there. But yeah, so we have this little motel six room. Go ahead.
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    Proceed. I'm trying to take the little girl or the shorter lady back to our room. And Drew is not having it. And neither is the taller lady. She's like, no, we're getting out of here. That's right. Because I got real cold. Yeah, because her and I were talking, you know, we're just kind of having drinks. And, you know, I'm sobering up a little bit. And yeah, I'm still going hard. She's just kind of cross-armed. She just wanted to go. Because she wanted to... She was disappointed how short I was. Yes. She wanted nothing to do with me. She's like, oh, I think he's tall, dark, and handsome. Turns out he's just dark. And short. See what I did there? Yeah. So anyway, so whatever. I think I got peeled away. Drew just grabbed me by the arm and escorted me. Well, it was getting bad because we had been drinking for 10 hours or whatever it was. It was not good for me. So regardless, I did get her name. I got her number. And I did go on a date like the next weekend. She lived in Madison, Wisconsin. Which is only an hour away from here. So I drove an hour.
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    Here's the thing. One, I didn't know her for shit. Two, all I knew was she was a chef. Hey, loser kid, welcome. I was fixing a furnace. Loser kid, was that more important? Loser kid. Isn't it like 100 degrees in Utah right now? Go ahead. Loser kid. we have something to play for you in a second uh don't go anywhere we are gonna play it for you don't go anywhere please um so so anyway regardless you're not gonna like these stories loser so anyway she's a chef and i'm like well i've never had a girl cook for me before so yeah usually he's the one doing the cooking so i was like especially a chef That's great. You know? So I said, let's go. So we go on this date, which is basically – Wait, wait, wait. You missed the Motel 6 room story. Which one was that? Oh, okay. So they go there. We're going to get done with this. We are. You caught me when I was skipping. Now you're skipping. So the night's over, and we're like, yeah, I got to get Ian back to his room because this is like expo all over again, even though this is many years before expo. anyways so so they go their ways he's got her number great and we go to the motel six and there was just one bed in there right yeah yeah so like i said just a small room so ian and i we get back to the hotel room and we both really gotta piss and now drew normally who just pisses outside i'm like i'm gonna be a gentleman we're gonna do this inside so ian and i i think i get to the toilet first and then ian's like i really gotta pee and he's like fuck it and he goes and starts pissing in the shower so here's here's ian and i ass to ass not the first time not the last time i'm pissing in the toilet he's pissing in the shower we're giggling just like we are now we're like dude what are we doing we're like yeah we're pissing we're fine and then and then we we slept in the same bed and spooned which is not the first time either so anyways i won't be the last either certainly not so anyways proceed so anyway so i just wanted to go on a date with a girl all right so i go on this date with this girl basically i just go to her place and she cooks me dinner that was our date and uh and you only you only went out with her once or twice right it's only the one time oh got it that's right because the second name it was i don't know the second she opened that door she didn't look anything like she did that night i had the drunk goggles on oh yeah i was like huh okay you're like you're like where's your roommate all right well i'm sure she looked at me the same way she's like i don't remember him being leno says is that 96ing yes yes ian and i did a lot of 96ing so regardless she cooked me dinner it was a wonderful dinner and tim lee sorry are we still talking plastic ramps and uh long story short though nothing happened everybody i was a complete gentleman she was really mad at me because she wanted something to happen but i wasn't going to do it because we just wasn't going to do it because i wasn't into her i was like no i'm not going to break her heart but she's not the one that we met is it the one that we met at the stadium yeah no but kathleen and i we went you didn't meet here no somebody well you were there when i know that that was it that was it got it that's our story for uh that was fun though i got a dinner out of it from a chef and uh we got we got all sorts all right loser kid we got to play this for you buddy this is for you okay dedicated to you poor man's tribe presents podcasts of genius podcasts of genius today we salute you nicest pinball podcast in the universe you could be like other podcasters and rip other shows dropping f-bombs trying to be cool but you stinkers know your swag is better than theirs Only champions wear their beanies Sometimes you want to give the middle finger But you just give them that pointy finger Cause you're from Utah Just don't bring up deep roots Sure, you might not win a Twippy by being nice But you can lay your heads on that comfy pillow at night Knowing your logo is on a pinball machine Don't get it in true So mix yourselves a couple of Shirley Temples, loser kids Cause you'll always be winners with us These guys always get the best interviews Oh, Loser Kids. Never gets old. No, that is classy. I love that. I love it, Glenn. And yeah, no, Loser Kid, we like what you guys do over there, Josh. And we love metal rams. And Scott. Yeah. So, but yeah, that was our Lambo story. That was a long ride nowhere. I don't know if you're talking about our story or that, but eh.
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    Anyway. If you really want to pick up chicks, just start talking pinball rams. Kaz, you are right. Because every time I start talking pinball, you know what my wife says to me? She has this phrase. She goes, yeah, and there goes my lady boner.
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    That's what pinball does to my wife. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. All right. So are we wrapping this or what? Yeah. I wanted to wrap this a while ago. Yeah, but here we are. But this is it.
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    Thank you guys, as always, for listening, subscribing, the bits, the awesome chat. Happy hour. We love it.
    98:52
    We'll do more of that, for sure. We'll try to have some smoother transitions as we get better at this. This is new. It is new. But I think today went pretty well. I thought so. We didn't have much to talk about, but it doesn't usually matter to us. No. We'll always shoot the shit with you guys. No problem. We will figure out something to talk about. We'll rein it back into pinball occasionally. Well, whenever there's pinball news. But, yeah, we had a lot of fun. Don't forget to follow us on Twitter at Porn Man's Pinball. email email us over at poor man's pinball at gmail.com uh like us on facebook poor man's pinball podcast um i haven't done much with the youtube stuff over there at poor man's pinball podcast loser kid says i want you guys to know it uh i am stealing that steal away sir yep it's i can send it yeah we'll send it to you go ahead play it we love it um can i subtract bits no fuck you anyway uh but i appreciate it um i'm gonna hold you up by your ankles and shake out some more bits from you we just want to say thank you to all of our sponsors for uh supporting this oh loser kid 100 bits oh look at you buddy oh thank you um he just paid for the right to is this scott or josh i believe it's josh okay if i'm gonna be a betting guy because i think scott has his own. Okay. Yeah, I know it gets confusing because we kind of do the same thing. Yes. Poor man's pinball. Josh. Yep. Hey, Josh.
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    They cover my head. The best hat in pinball. They are the nicest hat. But go to Silver Ball Swag and buy our hat. Buy our hat and put it on your pinball machine and take a picture with it. Yeah, there you go. But no, Silver Ball Swag. And Tim Lee. I want, just put our hat on. nothing else and sit on your pinball machine. It does help us. Uh, everything, all the bitties are going to help us. Um, we still have things we want to do with this podcast and other things. Hint, hint, hint. There are things in the work works. We got a lot going on here, but, um, yeah, but we appreciate everything guys. Thank you so much for the bits and the subscriptions and all that good stuff. We really appreciate it. That's hilarious. What's that? So cause wrote who's loser kid two or loser kid one. They bleeped it out.
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    don't say loser on my chat no shit what is happening to this world i don't know i don't think they bleep it out on my side well no no you exactly the the main our thread but when i'm just on the regular it's crazy so loser kid is a banned hate speech or something apparently uh oh it says they didn't on mine is there like a setting guys help me out maybe drew's got the pg7 i don't know like like i'm just you know i'm just using my iphone i'm just on twitch and uh when jesse j oh you can turn that setting off jesse j why don't you tell me all those times you're asking to see my nips it just says drew i want to see your stars stars stars drew's been trying to show his penis i said no it's nips buddy it's nips but no it's put her put them away put them away someone needs to fix drew's Star, star, star, star. Nobody needs to see that. Glenn, I saw yours, buddy. And then Dr. John, she sees stars when you dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. Hey, Drew, go dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. I'm done. I'm done with all of you. Thanks, guys. This was fantastic. We love you. Thank you so much. Have fun. Have a good night. Have a good week, okay? Bye-bye.
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    I wonder what the side of a moon. I wonder what's inside of her coat Maybe there's passion rocks, maybe there's aliens All inside her anderen I wonder what's inside of her coat What's inside her alter? I always want to know I wonder what's inside of her coat Never hearing, I should not tell you Girl, you get all inside your butthole I wonder what's inside your butthole What's the side of the book? I always want to know.
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    The views expressed on this podcast don't necessarily reflect the views of our sponsors um obviously they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them so um thanks for listening guys have a great day bye