On this episode, Jamie interviews the folks from Pinball Pursuit. Let's welcome our new friends, Mrs. J and Dr. C, this week on the Jamie Virtual Show. Hello and welcome to another edition of the JBS show. And today, two people that I really happily met at TPF, Texas Pinball Festival. That's Jane Ann and Cameron with Pinball Pursuit. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for coming. Cameron Jones Thanks for having us. This is super exciting. Jane Ann Weiss We're excited to be here. Cameron Jones So I screwed up the time, ladies and gentlemen. I screwed it up pretty bad. They're in Mountain time zone. I'm in central time zone and I just thought, all right, well, that's two hours. No big deal. I'll just record at nine o'clock. So I'm out with Janine and this is what happens when you become empty nesters. She looks at me and goes, I want ice cream. I was like, yeah, yeah. Dumb deal. Pick up and go. So we just went and got some ice cream and Cameron, the sweetheart that he is, called me and he's like, Hey, we still podcasting. And I'm like, yeah, we're podcasting 45 minutes. And he's like, nope. No, my favorite is what she said when we were trying to figure out maybe if... Oh yeah, I thought this was an April Fool's Day joke a day late. Because originally it was supposed to be on April 1st, so I was like, I don't think he realizes his April Fool's joke isn't hitting right anymore. No, I would never hurt people's feelings. We understand that, we understand that. You're an idiot who can't figure out time zones. And it was Ralph too, because I called, I was talking to Ralph today, and he goes, I've got Jane Ann on, I'm going to Cameron on, and he goes, what time is it there? And I go, I don't know, it's two hours, right? Mountain time zone. He goes, yeah, I'm in a mountain. Arizona's the weird state though. They don't have daylight savings time. I want that. Kill daylight savings time. Yeah, I'm done with it. I'm done with it. All right, so let's go. We don't do any show prep. The only thing, you know, we talk pinball. And I have to ask the obligatory, how long have you been into this ridiculous hobby? I mean, we officially started at least, you know, doing the channel about one year ago, and we started actually playing about two years ago. Cameron, he goes way back. But officially, And so, we hopped on over to the Pinball Hall of Fame, and that's where we got bit. Yeah, I mean, I had not really played pinball since I was a kid. I had very vivid memories of playing with my dad at this one little KOA at a family I'm a reunion playing Cyclone, actually, was the game. And it was we just had such a great time. It the call outs or something that we would quote to each other all the time and had never really thought about pinball as an adult. Thought they had stopped making them because you didn't see them anymore. Right. The standard story. And then I remember we went in there and like they had a Stranger Things machine and I had this projector and I was like, oh, my gosh, pinball's kind of cool. They're doing way crazy stuff now. So we started going on like just dates because we found that there were some pinball places to play nearby. And we tried all the different ones that were nearby. And then we eventually saw a flyer that said, Hey, do you want to rent a pinball machine? You could do it. Like, look up this website. And then Janann was nice enough to do it for my birthday, which is in October. We got a Jurassic Park. Yeah, by Stern. Yeah. And first machine, right? Oh yeah, oh yeah. Still one of my favorites. I want a Jurassic Park in our house someday. Yeah. We had it for two months. Oh yeah. It's so good. We had it for two months and I think I probably put eight to nine hundred games on it in those two months. We went a little crazy. Yeah. All right, because, Arrington, how many do you think were played on the show games Beetlejuice at TPL? Oh my gosh. I mean, there was never somebody not on those things. Okay, so I know exactly how many were played. You do? Oh, I'm gonna guess over the weekend, 1500. You know what? Only like 450. Really? What? Not that bad. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So you blew those out of the water. Yeah. Constant lines at the end. Yeah. And they only got like 500 plays. 500 plays. And you blew by that. Yeah. So you got your rental worth. It's gonna take me two months. So, we let it go and it was the holidays and I was like, man, the bug had me so hard, Jamie. And so, I started looking up all the different things and learning how to play machines and I kept running into this issue where I would go looking for a specific type of tutorial. I learned in a very specific way and I kind of had a hard time finding what I was looking for. And around the same time, I got a nice little bonus from work, um, cause I got a new patent that was accepted by the government. And so my, my company gave me a little bonus and it was just enough to cover a year's worth of rentals. Um, so that was my Christmas gift to myself. And I said, go crazy. You got it. And then we were like, we could, we could maybe, I don't know. Could we make content for pinball? Is this something we could do? Well, no, no, no, no. This is how it started. Yeah, because I had to find the tutorials for my YouTube channel. Yeah. So, he would always complain to me that he couldn't find the tutorials that he wanted. You know, he'd see people playing live and they would talk through it, but he's like, I need a slowed down tutorial to show me how to play these games. And then he just wouldn't let it go. So I said, you know what, you're just gonna have to make it yourself. And I can't remember if I said that seriously or jokingly, but then he said, okay, fine. And so then he like hopped on and learned how to edit video and he's got all these ideas. I had never done any script writing. I had, cause our tutorials are scripted. I'd never anything like that before. I had never edited video ever. I had to teach myself. I was watching all these videos and how to do it. And then, yeah. You went to university, man. You got your degree, you're out there making it happen. And that's what all of us did, right? Like my origin story is I saw Jack Danger and I said, oh, That's pretty cool. Yeah. The streams are so fun. I have access to these machines. What if we did it in a way where we're just playing dollar games fooling around? And that was my first move. Yeah. And then I got into podcasting and shorts and all the crap I'm doing now. It's good crap. I mean, you do a good job. I pimped out my grandson on my latest video that I put out. Tim playing on your Iron Maiden there? Yeah, I think I saw that one, yeah. He just, the minute he comes to the house, guys, he pulls a chair over and he just yells, ball. I just, how old is he? He's two and a half. Oh, that's cute. Oh, I love that. You know, we're excited for our little guy to get to where he can start to really want to play. Well, he can't hit a ramp, okay? He can block my view and I'm fired up when I don't hit the shots. That's a load of fun. All right, so you go and you say, I'm going to make these tutorials this way. So then how does Jane Anne get involved? How does that happen? Well, here's the thing. Cameron has the dream of building out the arcade in the basement. We've got an unfinished room that was supposed to be a bedroom for a child. We'll have to explain that to that child in the future. I'm sorry, you don't have a room. We have, you know, a pinball zone. I said, if we're going to have a bunch of pinball machines in the house, I want to say in which ones come in because I want to like them too. Yeah. And so that's kind of where the reviews started is we started reviewing all of the rentals that came in through the house because that's kind of where we're going with the rentals is we want to see what ones we like. And so yeah, I said, no, I get a say. I get to put my two cents in. And I was like, okay, well that means you have to be involved in this whole thing. And she has such a better sounding voice than me. I know that. And so I was like, okay, yeah, you're natural. I love your videos that you did at TPF and anyone hasn't seen it, go to their YouTube channel, it's Pinball Pursuit. And you're on Instagram as well, right? Yep, yep, we're on Instagram as well. They're excellent. I thought the interviews were really great. Yeah, we had a really good time doing it. It was just kind of this little idea of like- Quick, fun, yeah. Let's just see if this is something people want to see. We can meet new people and just kind of ask a couple of quick questions. You guys were very funny. So we did, uh, okay. TPF ladies and gentlemen, takes so good. It was a blast. It was our first ever pinball convention. Oh wow. Yeah. First time doing that. Yeah. You're all in. You pushed your chips. I, yeah, that's it's you're all fucked in. You're getting machines. You're making out your basement. This is, this is what Stern and all the manufacturers are in love with. That's what they want. And they've got me hook, line and sinker is yeah, we're toast. It's a midlife crisis. It's okay. It's a good crisis. And as well, I just have friends that are collectors and have arcades that I don't need to do that. Yeah. It's literally an eight minute walk from my house. Oh my gosh. So nice. See, that'd be great. There's great places to play here around Salt Lake. And I've since joined the league. My brother actually has joined the league with me. We're doing that now. You're not too into that. I feel like I represent the casual players. I represent the pinball wives here. The people that love to dabble, love to play. I don't think you'll see me in tournament play, but... Why don't you play in a Bells event? I keep telling her that she should do that. And we actually have the... Play in a Bells event with a hot question. Yeah. For sure. The problem is we have like, the person who just took second place in the women's nationals is here in Utah. You're not taking home trophies. I'm not looking to win in the beginning. What you're looking for is a community that is all inclusive, that's going to bring you in and say, and clap when you're done. I mean, who does that? So I'm telling you, they clap. So funny. I should try it. You should try it. As supportive as can be. And there's my, they're not paid sponsor of the program, but you know, I love bells and chimes or any women's leagues We're going to be talking about the pinball industry and how we can get more women to play pinball. I'm a big proponent of that, so good luck with that. We go to TPF and it's Thursday night and we really don't know what we're supposed to be doing. I'm with Rob and shout out to Lewis Marks and the organizer Paul. Yes, yes. They put up something for us, the content creators, if you will. I'll put it in air quotes. It was really fun, wasn't it? Oh, it was so much fun. I had a blast. It was a two-strike tournament that Lewis Marks ran, and he's headed the DFW TDs of 2004. And they ran this tournament for us, and it was really a blast. It was a blast. And we got to meet each other, because we see each other, but we don't really... We don't mingle and chat. It was our first time. I went up because I got there before Jane Anne did. And I was, I mean, I'll be honest, Jamie, I was a little nervous because I was like, I am such a poser. Like we are, we are fresh off the street here. Like, I don't know if I belong with these people. We all started at one point. Okay. I've been doing it since 2019. So we all started. Oh, wow. True. And so I get up there and Ralph, who was standing next to you, like, like pulls me over to you guys. I love what you guys are doing and you should just hang out with us and keep, you know, and you guys were really welcoming and then you came with our little baby later after we had kind of started and yeah, and those machines man that we got to play on that Simpsons pinball party was gorgeous. Yeah, I blew that up. Yes, you did. I blew it up in my game. Was that against you? No, I didn't play against you on that one. I played against, oh gosh, who was I playing against on that one? I forget who it was. Oh, no worries. We're working. Yeah. Everyone. The game that I blew up was Foo Fighters. I had a great Foo Fighters game. Good. Yeah. And won on that one. But... You'd better. You wrote a tutorial on it. I know. I said... That'd be embarrassing, Cameron. No, it happens in tournament play. You never know. I play Iron Maiden. I consistently put up 120, 150, 200 million, and I'll go on location and put up 12. Right? Yeah. Like the worst was I think when I had just published my Stranger Things tutorial and I went to league night like the next day and... Of course you're getting strange. I got like three million points total on three balls. It was the worst. I was like I couldn't even hit the stupid skill shot. I'm like oh my gosh this is the worst. That happens. Don't take it off. But we did well on the tournament. We had a lot of fun. Oh yeah. Thank you to Paul and to Lewis for running that. Oh, it was so nice of them. I know I'm hoping we get more time to have like a three strike or a four strike next time. Yeah. And I think with Nitro Pinball, let us use their machines and then coming up and playing because I saw that these were like the only machines that were on. But I proudly represented Houston. I finished third. Let me tell you that there is a caveat to this, OK? You were gracious. I went into the final round and I had no strikes. Sean Cairns, And you came in third. Here's what happened. I got hangry. I would run out of Zins. And I said, Okay, here's the deal, guys. Whatever game we get, whatever place we finish. Let's just do it like that. Yeah. Okay. There we go. And I sucked. And they're like, deal. Yeah, they were like... It was on Iron Maiden, wasn't it? Wasn't it on? I don't know what it was on. I think it was on... It was supposed to be on Harley Davidson and we're like... But we're not talking about Harley Davidson. Yeah, that was the one I didn't play. Was it that one or was it Lost... No, Lost World was the one that you beat me on. Yeah, I think it was Lost World that we said, let's just do it on Lost World and I couldn't get anything going. And I had never flipped Lost World ever. And going into the third ball... Terrible, right? Yeah, it was not good. I got the multiball and I was like, I'm good. I'm clear. I'm in second place right now. And then you stood up all four and just blew it up because I think he can take one strike. No, no, I'll take a strike. And so I got knocked out. I got sixth place. Listen, there's something called Ball Three Magic. It's real. Real. 100% real. What was your let's you know, we're here to it's about three weeks since TPF. But what was your favorite game to play? I really like Pokemon. False. I really did. I did really like Pokemon, but I liked Winchester Mystery House the best, which breaks my heart. We want, I would, I would buy one. I would buy one, but not for what they're going for now. It's crazy. It's insane. That and barrels, machines are so pretty. Oh, they're, they are gorgeous. I've never seen one in person before. Never played. We played Dune. We played Labyrinth. We played Winchester. Gorgeous. So I'm a little spoiled because I live 15 minutes from barrels of fun. Yeah. You have all the inside info. Well, they don't give me anything. Dang it. But they do let me play with their toys sometimes. Oh, fun. That would be amazing. They let me play with their toys when other people don't get to play them and they don't exist. So that's kind of fun. Yeah. See, so for me, it was probably Winchester. Yeah. It was probably my favorite as well. Yeah. I was really impressed with you, Kan Yeti. I thought it shot so far. I played with you. I played with Ralph, right? The three of us were playing a couple of games. You beat us every time. I almost got you when I got the Avalanche multiball, but yeah, I was really impressed with how well that shot. Yeah it a neat machine I think his biggest problem now is going to be ladies and gentlemen how does he make for Enough of them Yeah. How does he scale up? Because he's only ever made, I mean, they made like what, 100 inch eclipses and like 200 Merlins? And I was going to try and like almost triple that. Oh, wow. That many. I don't think he made that many Merlins. You don't think he did? No, I think it's a hundred and a hundred. And now he's in the big deep time. Oh yeah. I mean, because I think they sold out already or are they close to selling out? I think they're pretty darn close. But, you know, I did hear today if you ordered one today, you're getting it in 2027. Oh, no. Well, that really makes me so happy for them because we talked to Chris for a little bit and he's just such a great guy, you know, just excited about bringing up the new generation of pinball. He talked about his son and his kids and things. And it's just he's got a cool story and he seems like a great guy. So, kudos to them. He's too nice. Yeah, he is. He's so nice. Like, you know, sometimes I wonder about the really nice guys. The really nice guys? Really nice. My dark side, my New Yorker in me is like, that guy. What's he got in his basement? What's he got in his basement, right? No, they don't have basements in Texas, but... That's true. He's lovely. I'm just having a go. I'm just having fun. Yeah. No, we were so impressed by them. And I'm hoping that these do well enough that they'll do like a non-legendary run and make more because one thing I am really passionate about is we need to stop limiting the number of machines that companies make. Like, don't put a cap on it. Just make as many as people want. You like the jersey jack and we're just going to make them into... Make as many as people want. Okay. If people want to buy it, let them buy it. I don't know. I sometimes the whole like, we're going to limit it to just this number and I'm like, but why? Limit it to a timeframe and say- Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Limit it to a timeframe. Don't limit it to a number. Do you think that stops the FOMO because FOMO is so real? I mean, maybe a little bit, but I still think they would sell more. If they came out with Winchester the same way they came out with it and they said, we're going to take orders for the rest of this year, do you really think they would have sold less than 525 that they sold? I don't know. I'm not an absolute marketing genius, but I could say that the FOMO of only 525 was a real number. It was real. It's true. I mean... Saying this is Karl's first game, yada yada. I still think they would have sold, I think they could have sold three times that if they had just said, we're going to take orders until the end of 2025. You've got three months and we'll make as many as you guys order. That still gives you the FOMO, right? Because it gives you, you got three months to order it. Well, David, you're listening. What do you think, man? Chime in! The next one to a timeframe? Let's see, right? Right? Yeah. And maybe you're right. Maybe they wouldn't sell as many, but I think Spooky could do it too. I think if Spooky ends up doing Goonies, they could say, hey, we're going to start taking orders November 1. You've got till December 31st. So you got two months and we'll take as many orders as you want. I still think they would sell 2000. Yeah. Right? And people who want them can get them. Yeah. Crazy. Hey, you're on to something, Cameron. You're on to something. Dr. C, maybe. Let's see what the, what people think. That's curious. You know, put your, your comments. Yeah, let us know. Am I, am I totally off base? But I think, I think they're leaving money on the table. And I think you can still get that FOMO. Just do it a little differently. You know, did you guys get to go, I don't want to sound like a bragger, but I was dragged into the quiet room. I didn't know it existed. We thought about it. I was, well, we talked about it. That was the upstairs. No, this is a different thing. You're thinking about the VIP room that him and him and Ralph went and found that ended up being a table and a pitcher of water. I told Cameron that there'd better be Diet Coke up there and he said that there wasn't. So I said, I'm out. Yeah, you don't need it. Just a pitcher of water. The good thing about being in that room was one, you get to see the light show and it's like how it's meant to be, especially because Dune's an interesting story, right? It's a case study. If there was a pinball marketing class, you could do a class on what happened with Dune, the mistakes they learned, the mistakes that were made, but what a great machine too. So I went in there a bunch and played a heck of a lot of Dune and then played a lot of Winchester. And the call outs at Winchester, again, Jeff, that's- Oh my gosh. Jeff did so good. We interviewed Jeff and yeah, he's done such a good job. I'm hoping to see more of him in the industry because I'm just so impressed with what he's doing. But he was new too a couple of years ago. Think about that, guys. Yeah. True story. Okay. And all of a sudden- Yeah, but he has like usable skills in this industry. Like I play with cells. I'm not usable in this industry. There's nothing I'm doing. I have no, I just have a mouth and I want to... This works for Jamie. I found my move. All right. Well, that's TPF. I did have a great time. It really was amazing. Are you going to go to Expo? That's the question. That's the good question. We are trying to figure it out. The easy part about Texas Pinball Festival is that her sister lives in Dallas. Yeah. And so we could drop the baby off during the day because he came with us to the event in the evening. And then when we got the early bird, when it was just us- In the morning. In the morning, we could go. But once everyone was in there, it was way too loud for him. Yeah. Right. And so we dropped him off with, you know, Auntie and he did great. We don't have that connection in Chicago. So it's a little harder We're trying to figure out how we can make it work. We'd love to go though. It's a different show, Janann. It's like, it's very industry heavy. So, you know, you've got all the major manufacturers are there, right? So they have such a huge presence. And then the homebrew section is even bigger, which is crazy. Homebrew section is so cool though. So I saw you interviewed, let's talk about the homebrew. You interviewed the guys. Ernie, yeah. He was so nice to talk to us. Which game was his? Monsters Inc. It was the... And I'd seen it online before. I think you showed me and I was like, there is no way somebody created that. So I said, when we go, we have to find that machine. And so we found it and we started playing and then we were like just talking to him, no big deal. And he's like, no, actually I made this. And we were like, oh, and then he hopped in and played with us. So that was so fun. So fun. Yeah. What we've seen in the last four or five years in the homebrew has been just outstanding. I mean, like Max Fury Road is one. I didn't see that one wasn't there. That could be made tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, it was so like, I really enjoyed, obviously the Monsters, Inc. one was amazing. The Big Trouble Little China. Yeah, great game. Great game. I thought that the elf one was really, I had not seen that before. You told me about elf. Yeah, you didn't get a chance to play that one. I was sad I didn't get to play it. That one was really clever, really well done. I just, they're so talented. Did you play Monster League hockey? The one against each other? Yes, we did. And I want one. You know, they're putting that into production. Do you know that? Yeah, so the announcer for the JBS show, Glenn Wechter, is on what we call the SAW team. They designed a machine called SAW. Okay, based on the horror movie? Horror movie. It's too scary for me, but... Nope, me too. I'm not going to work, but they made Monster League Hockey and they're part of it there with Brad Albright. Brad was so nice to us too. We love meeting Brad. I'm actually going to be ordering some of his art for our basement here soon. But yeah, Monster League Hockey was amazing. We actually got, we talked to Danzig. What was his first name? Jeff Danzig or was it Paul Danzig? I can't remember. I'm blinking. Matt Danzig. It's Danzig. It says Mr. Danzig. Mr. Danzig. Can you talk to Mr. Danzig? Hey. It's Jay. Okay. And we were so excited about it. And he was like, well, I've got a little list if you want me to push you on and I can let you know when it comes available. Like, yes, put us on the list. What did you do? Because it was so much fun. It's so fun because in the arcade, I'd said, we need something other than pinball. A, I want skeeball and B, I was thinking about air hockey. And then we were like, no, it's gonna take up too much space. I don't know if it fits the vibe. And then we played Monster League Hockey and it was the best combination of air hockey and pinball. And I was like, we need it. It's so fun with the two balls going on. It's just got so many cool things. We're stoked. Yeah. Well, I'm so happy for them, right? I mean, the whole goal is not to sell it. Their goal is just to make something really wicked cool. And if someone wants it, does want to buy it, so good luck to ramps. I hope they make it as well as the guys that saw it did, and that should be great. Yeah, I, you know, I think it's such a smart idea for, I mean, really for the industry to really prop up the homebrewers, right? Because you've seen so many people that have left the homebrew and are now like working at these companies. It's such a good resume, essentially. And you get a lot of creativity. I can't wait to play Nick's Tony Hawk in a couple of years from American Pinball. You know, I mean, that's why wouldn't they? Like, the only thing I can see them not getting is the licensing for all the music would be too hard. Licensing is a real pita. Oh, it is. And what I've started to learn as an industry, whatever I am, They, that's their biggest problem is, you know, the idea, like who would want a Mario game? Mario would be brilliant. Oh yeah. But that's a million bucks. Oh yeah, 100%. And you've got to sell so many machines to get to that and they're not selling that many machines. Yeah. So, you know, you got to have an ROI. So, but yeah, I've gotten to know Nick a little well, and I love Robin from Electric Playground. Did you get to meet them? I met Rob briefly and then him and I have been talking via email a little bit. Good. Good guy to know. He's the best. Oh yeah. So nice. I mean, I'm so excited. I'm so excited for American. I think they've got such a great team behind them now. I'm really excited to see what they're going to do. Yeah. I went to a meet and greet with Brian Vincent and some of the execs over at American I'm going to be doing a pinball show this week. Oh, really? Okay, cool. Nice. And then I got an invite, right, with a bunch of other people from Houston. And I got to talking to them. And they have their stuff together. They really do. Yeah, it really seems like he does. Yeah, and he's a businessman. He's going to do the right thing. He's going to make good pinball. Yeah, I think... They're pinball fanatics. Exactly. You hire the right people and you just put someone in charge that has the passion for it but also the business acumen. And I don't see how you can go wrong. We'll see what the appetite is for remade Bally Williams games, right? Right. Okay. Circus Voltaire is the first one they announced. I heard they're doing two others. I don't know why someone isn't doing World Cup soccer with the World Cup being this year. It would be the perfect machine to do it. Oh, that's genius. Yeah. The rumor is that they have World Cup soccer and they're putting Circus out first. Gotcha. Yeah, like I said, if it were me, I'd be putting out, capitalize on the fact that there is World Cup. Yeah, I love World Cup soccer. It's my favorite game. It's the only game I own and it's the only one I want. It's, I love it. We need to get you to play it. I know. I was going to say, where do we find one? Because I've heard so many good things about it. Do they have one here? Pinball maps. Oh, no, no. They have one where I went yesterday with my brother. Okay, we need to go back. We'll find a babysitter. It's fine. And hit that loop and start that World Cup. Oh, it's so good. All right, let's get it past that goalie. You gotta get it past the goalie. But I think what's so good is for a newbie, you could just go, all right, here's the deal. Get it past the goalie and hit some ramps and let's see where you go. Yep, 100%. It's not that complicated. You don't have to move cities and all this stuff that we start learning later on. But right now, just score goals and hit ramps and there's some really cool stuff going on. Yeah, it's a fun machine. Let's get one, I wanna play. Let's rent it. Kelly? I don't know if he has it. Maybe he has it. He's only got new stuff. Yeah. All right. So what do you want to talk about next? You want to go through the manufacturers? What, what, what? It's your interview too. Oh, that's true. Let's see here. I want to know, like, from your perspective, because one of the, one of the questions, like, I, when I got into this was like, what are the holes in the content creation side that aren't being filled yet? Jason Kuznicki, Concept University Santosność, Washington, Goodwill, Don't worry about the views. The views will come. Yeah. Keep making it. And I can't figure out the views, right? Like, I'll go... You can tell me. Get 1, 500 views. I put AI Jamie up there and I get... I put AI Jamie, I get 1, 500. So who the heck knows, right? Yeah . Just keep it coming. We need more women in pinball. Okay. There we go. We just do. We need more diversity in pinball and just to show as many different crowds. When you go to a tournament, what's so cool about a tournament is the different faces that are there. Like they're 100% in like we got sucked in. Oh yeah. All of them did. We just know and when, how do you know someone loves pinball? They open their mouth. You're not wrong. I got it wrong. Because it's funny because I started playing competitive a year ago, right? Just only a year ago and my brother started coming with me. And I think where we were going, it's a bar up in Salt Lake that has a bunch of machines. There were like 20 people and now they're getting like 44 to 45 people a week. And it's only been a year how much it's grown. It's grown so fast. And the league that we're now playing in, because we joined a league last fall and they do a spring and a fall session, they had to start a waiting list because there's too many We had so many people that wanted to be in it and we're like, oh, I'm glad that we got it when we got it. That's great. But, you know, that maybe they can expand and get more machines because, you know, every machine is four more players. Exactly. Yeah. So. Yeah. And they've expanded quite a bit. They're now, they have machines in between the brewery tanks because it's a brewery. So it's a little weird setup they have going on, but it works. It works. Oh, yeah. The Eureka Heights is a brewery. Oh, okay. We've got a whole section that was really unused for like parties and John went in, pitched them as an operator and him and Taylor put three machines and seven machines. Now they got 27. Oh my gosh. All new from a spooky row to Stern row to- Oh, that's so fun. There's no- people here get all the Sterns, right? Yeah. There's a couple of some family fun centers. You pay 250 and it's like to get in and it's like 40 cents to play a game. You play with nickels. Yeah, like literal nickels. It's great. Right. And they've got a bunch of old stuff and they get all the new Sterns. But like there's nowhere to play barrels games. There's nowhere to play spooky games unless you get in the league that I'm in and you get to play somebody's private collection. Right. You know, that's but that's like once a year. But you look at the Sterns market, right? I don know if you knew this but 70 of what they sell is to the home buyer 30 To operators Oh interesting Yeah that crazy It probably 90 at barrels Oh yeah 100 Yeah Yeah It probably 80 at barrels Yeah Yeah Dr Tim Ouca iTunes 3 The611019r So good. Fantastic, isn't it? And I mean, speaking of licensing, like how did they win that one? Like how did it pay for the nose? Insane. Four? You think so? Four? Four. Four million dollars. That's the rumor. That's nuts. That's why they're going to make it forever. Forever. Yeah. But it's timeless. You can make it forever. What do you think about the new Harry Potter HBO series or the new Disney series? We're going to be talking about the Harry Potter HBO series. Are you excited about it? I'm so excited. My sister sent me the trailer. I almost started crying. I'm very excited. More Harry Potter. Always. And with them doing a season per book, they can really go deep into it. It's going to follow the book a little bit better. They can do more with it because a movie you've only got so much time. But now they've got a whole season. They've got no limits. I'm stoked. Yeah, it's gonna be great. We're Potterheads. I mean, it was, I mean, I was, gosh, in like, junior high when the first book came out. And so it's like prime for me, right? Yeah. I'm old. I read them with my kids. Oh, that's perfect. I was gonna say Harry Potter knows no age. But see, there you go. Good memories. Midnight Launch is with my sons. Oh, yeah. Wasn't that so fun? I missed that. I missed the Midnight Launch. It was a blast. It was great. But what do you think? The game itself is really brilliant. I got to hang out. This is bragging again, but I got to hang out with Eric Minior and his team. Oh, he's such a nice guy, it seems like. Oh my God, he's lovely. We wanted to meet him and I was, again, I felt like such an imposter at TPF. And so I was a little like, I got to get over it. I got to get over it. I do it too, right? I do it too because like every 20 feet someone's stopping Ralph, right? Yeah. And I'm walking with him the whole damn time. Every like third or fourth person knew who I was and they're like, oh, I like you too, Jamie. I was like, all right. Oh, thanks. You're cool too. Okay. I'm all right. Anyway, the game is much faster when you first... Oh my gosh. It's so fast. There's that one shot that if it goes all the way around to your left flipper and you're not ready for it, it's going straight down. You almost have to hold your flipper up because you're just never going to be able to get it fast enough. So I'll tell you the story. Ralph did the teaser trailer and the full featurette, excuse me, he did the featurette for J.J.P. for Harry Potter. Just did a brilliant job. Oh, he did a great job with it. And props to you, Ralphie. And when he went to play it for the first time, it was like in an accountant's office. And Ralph walks up and it drains the same way, Cameron, you were just explaining it. And Eric and the other designer, one of the I don't know, somebody else was in there, looked at each other, went, yes, we got him. We got it so fast. And that's what they designed. And it's great. You know, the problem on location is it's got so many Macs. It's got so many. Oh my gosh. It's so complicated. Yep. Well, we're, we're having a serious debate. So we have a budget that we have put out there, which is one pinball machine a year. And so I've got this coupon sitting in my pocket for one pinball machine for this year. And I'm trying to figure out what the heck am I going to spend this on? Yeah, I think you're getting a Harry Potter. Well, so here's, here's the thing I've already We reviewed, so we got Batman 66 and oh my gosh, it's my favorite game. It's my favorite game. You want to talk Batman 66? I'll talk it. It's my favorite game. It's 100% it is so good. I had no idea I would like it so much. It's like yeah, Batman, whatever. And then I played it and I was like, ooh, that crane and everything. Yeah. Oh, I love it. I go to Eureka Heights three to four times a week and I look at the Stern scoreboard and I know if I just put in five dollars on Batman 66 that I'm going to get a billion. Yep, I had multiple billion point games on it. It's so good. It's egghead all day, every day. That's what I said in my tutorial. I said that in my tutorial. Do the egghead frenzy mode. But the multiball, shame is more fun. Shame is more fun! It's like 20 million. It's not worth anything. Exactly. It's not worth anything. Boo! It's for two nights on all three eggheads. Yeah, exactly. This is why I don't play tournaments. It's clear. Yeah, well, you'll learn. The pills will scare you and you'll go, you were right about eggheads. It's the best. Okay, go ahead, Cameron. I'm sorry. So, and I don't know if you've heard this. I've heard from one person that I know, who I know that you know as well, that there's a chance that they might do a 60th anniversary edition. I've heard this rumor as well. And I'm on a couple of lists, Jamie. Like, if that happens, that's what's happening. What was that? With a big LCD screen. Yep. On the Spike 3. On the Spike 3 platform. A Batman 66. Would be awesome. I'm paying for that within an hour of the announcement. That's what I want. Isn't that Franchi's art, right? It's Franchi. Yeah, Franchi did the art on it. That's correct. Oh, but how do you get him to come and do the art again if they redo it? I don't know what they do. Maybe they keep his art for the back glass and doing something different on the outside. I don't know what you do. Maybe he comes back to do it. I don't know. Best game ever. It's so that's again so I'm holding out for Batman 66. But if that doesn't happen then we're in a pickle. Then the debate is. Okay let's hear it ladies and gentlemen. Harry Potter or Pokemon. Okay two very different games. Very different games. And I've only played Pokemon like once or twice and that was at TPF. And I just put a bunch of quarters in it last week or last night with my brother. But see, we're big on the whole rental thing because we realized that in arcades we love some games and we have them in our house and our opinion changes. We haven't had Harry Potter or Pokemon in the house. So that's what scares me. Yeah. Pokemon is in its infant stages. Okay. It's going to get better. Exactly. Oh, it's not nearly there. There's one little mini mode, Charizard or whatever it is when you complete all four of those modes. I play the hell out of it, guys. Okay. It's I I think it's really fun. I think it shoots well. The code's only going to get better. Like Stern's going to support the like they're going to support this thing till the till Kingdom Come because it's going to be their next bestseller after Godzilla. Yeah, that's my prediction because I think you're right. I'm not going to argue with you there. The Pokédex isn't even online. Once that's online, once you can track how many you've caught, the addiction is real. The addiction is real. And if you can like start training the ones you've caught, like leveling them up and then doing special things with them, like if they put that into it too. Oh boy, I'm in trouble. You're done. You're, yeah, exactly. Everyone's in trouble. So are you saying that we should get Pokemon Jamie with our coupon? Is that what you're saying? With the coupon, you've got a serious problem because not only do you have Harry Potter, okay, which is great. And you can get that with, you can get the arcade version at home. I know. It's not bad. It's a game. Playfield. Exactly. There's no difference. No difference but art. That's a no-brainer. It's a no-brainer. But they're going to do the same thing for Sonic, and I don't know if Sonic touches you guys like it touches me, but Sonic is great. You were not a Sega family. No. We were Nintendo kids. See, I was a Nintendo kid too, but I played Sonic, but I was a Nintendo kid. I was a Sega dude. Man, there you go. I'm a fan of the house with Technoball. Well, Technoball was NES, but once Sega and Mortal Kombat came out, that's when the fraternity was sold. Yeah. My neighbor had a Sega Genesis and then I had a Super Nintendo. And so we would go and we would play each other's games. Street Fighter. I mean, Street Fighter, yeah. You talk about Street Fighter all the time. I mean, you had Street Fighter, we had Mortal Kombat. Exactly. Right. And so it was, it's so hard because I also love Steve Ritchie. Yes. You know, I, so we own a Cyclone, the game I was talking about earlier, we bought it. Love Cyclone. And I'm like, what if we got a Getaway? You know, like, cause Getaway is such a great game. I love Black Knight when we've played on location. Haven't had it at home yet, but... Black Knight makes you a better player. It does, 100%. And so I, yeah, I'm excited to see what he does with Sonic, because I mean, it's all about speed. And then when you're in the movies? I got on the list for Goonies recently. We talked about it. Where if they come out with the Goonies, we may have to play it or buy it, sight unseen. All of these are going to be on the screen. Yeah, because but that but they're not going to release that. You're like you buy it in December. They're not you're going to get so maybe that's our 2027 game. That's what I'm trying to help you with. Yeah. See, there we go. He's thinking ahead. 27 coupon. Yeah. And you've got Transformers G1. See I was never a Transformers kid. I was a Beast Wars kid. Did you ever see the Beast Wars? Yeah. CG like that was prime for my brothers and I. I was a Transformers dude because I was older. I'm not going to buy Optimus Prime, but I watched the television show because it was pretty cool and my brother's a little younger, so I watched it. But I heard that's Elliot Iseman's next game and it spoke to me a banger. People are saying that have seen it. That is a banger. I think Iseman's first game is underrated. I really, I actually kind of like John Wick. Okay. Um, it's... I don't like it either, Janna. Thank you. I don't like John Wick as a franchise and I don't like John Wick the game. It's not fun. It's a low scorer. It is a low scorer. It's a hard game. It's hard. Right? You know, I think that game is not a gateway for some. No, it's not. Okay. It's like, just like Black Knight Sword of Rage, it's not a gateway. It's not a gateway game. No. 100%. But I do like Black Knight. Yeah, you do like Black Knight. Yeah. Black Knight, I mean, great. It's hard. It's hard, but it's fun. Yeah. I tried watching Jog Whip with Jane Ann, and we got through the first movie, and I was like, this is the second one. No. He never dies. It doesn't matter. I know that he will never die. Never gonna die. It's a boy movie. It is a boy movie. It is. It's not gonna die. But they killed a dog. It's terrible. Spoiler alert, people. If you haven't watched it, you're a big boy. You're a little late. You deserve to have that spoiled. You totally do. You want to hear something funny? Please. I got invited by Don Garrison and Sterling Martin and Modo and all these people invited me to the Scare Fest in Orlando for Halloween. And they're doing like Halloween, it's called VIP Scare I don't know. I said they're blowing me up on my IM. They're so excited about this in October. And I finally had to go to him and go, guys, I don't like scary movies. I don't like this. I barely play spooky machines. Yeah, we are in the same boat. I don't have an appetite for this. And as I'm getting older, I have less appetite for as much violence. I'm like, ugh. Yeah, I, we're right there with you. We're not. That's me in 53. You're only a little bit older than I am, than we are. It's fine. I'm the same way, Jamie. I don't do horror. I don't do gratuitous violence. Like, John Wick is like the most violent thing I've seen in a long time. It's just, yeah, not, we're not into that. We're also not into the spooky scary. For our Halloween last year or two years ago, we watched Jaws. Monster movies. Jurassic Park. That's not scary movies. No. But that's as bad as we get. I Love Nightmare Before Christmas. That's about as bad as it gets. So no Punisher? Or what is that guy, the crazy, scary, terrifier? Have you seen this guy? No. Is it the clown, the scary clown one? You don't want to see him. No, no. My brother is huge into horror. Like he loves, like he's not- I don't understand those people. I love my brother, but it's not for me. And I can't have scary machines in the house. I will never have a walking dead in this house because it's gross and scary. I will never have an evil dead because it's- the topper on there? Can't handle it. Can't do it. It's cool looking. It's cool. It's scary. Gary! You know what's funny? At Eureka Heights, they have that topper, Evil Dead topper, and one of the operator's kids decorate her for every... Oh my gosh. Every holiday? Every holiday. Valentine's Day, she's all stacked out in red. She's got hearts. Yeah. All her dead eyes. Oh my gosh. Green. I mean, they do everything. Oh, that's funny. I don't know her name. I think it's Dory, Dora. I don't know. It doesn't matter. I've never seen the movie. Yeah, I've never seen the movies. They're my brother's favorite films. So he was excited when there was a machine and I was like, can't buy it. Sorry. I would not go in the basement. Well, and also like, we're trying to be family friendly as a channel, right? I think that's one thing that that's sometimes I wish there was more family friendly content out there. And so we're trying to be that as well. And so we're just not going to cover TCM or any of those. Don't worry, there's plenty of us that will... Exactly. Don't worry about it. I'm trying my best not to swear tonight. You did great. I haven't heard you say a single one. I know. You know how hard that is for me? It's really hard. I appreciate it. All right, so what's next? And I'll edit this part out. No, you're good. Don't worry about it. So you got Spooky, like they're going to do Goonies. So they're going to do Goonies and they're going to blow it out of the park. They're Yep. We don't know what's next. We're going to do Spooky. We don't know what Barrels is doing. No one knows what Barrels is doing. I want Barrels of Fun to do Pee-Wee's Big Adventure and use Brad Albright's art that he's already got for Pee-Wee on it. Really? Yeah. I love Pee-Wee's Big Adventure. You love Pee-Wee. Not a Pee-Wee fan, but I'll support it for you. I grew up on that film. I grew up on the Pee Wee's Playhouse too. I watched all of them. It's the real deal. People will lose their mind for that tequila song. Right? I mean that's a no-brainer. Yeah, 100%. 100%. There's bike multiball. There's so many different things that they could do with that game. I just think it would be incredible. You're into Pee Wee. You're also into Weird Al. I'm a little bit of a multi-morphic in the house. Did you get to play any of the P3s? We did. It was the first time we'd ever played on a P3. What did you think? I loved Final Resistance. I could not get enough of that game. That's Scott Danesi. He designed Rick and Morty. Which I haven't played. Total Nuclear Annihilation. I've played... There's a few people that have that in their private collections here in the league I play in. Oh, it's so good. It's not the only one on location, unfortunately. Yeah. Exactly. You left it. I'm going to take it. I didn't leave it. I did it to her twice. The second time she was like, oh my gosh. Well, stop choking on the last one. Exactly. Can't choke on it. Tell her what's up. No, I'm just kidding. I've never met a young lady and I'm sorry. She's great. She's nice. I'm sure she is. But yeah, it's, so that was my favorite one. I enjoyed Portal because I played the games. Yeah. You were, you were super stoked to play Portal. Yeah. And then you didn't play Weird Al because you didn't care. No. Listen, he offered, he was like, I really want to go to a Weird Al concert. And I was like, you've got a buddy that'll go with you. Like, I can't do Weird Al. If we have a Weird Al machine, we need that plug in that we tried. You, I can't remember who it was. The pin sound. We need that just for the Weird Al. It'll drive me nuts. I can't do it. It's interesting what they're doing over there, Multimortifact. It is. Yeah. It is. Different feel. Definitely plays different. Different balls. Then you go, oh, this is fine. Yeah, this is fine. It's like it took me probably two or three games before I really was like, OK, now I get it. Now I get it. The rub is how many has he sold and how many can he sell with this platform that is just unique? And I hope he does really well and keeps bringing out these good licenses. Oh, yeah. Ridiculous. You know, the portal jump shot. Oh, my gosh. It's so crazy. Yeah. It was so cool. And the little like upper play field and hitting the cube in to then have it appear on it. It was so well done. We actually interviewed Jerry. It's one of our, our only interview on our channel. Such a nice guy. Like he's, I really like what they're doing over there. He's super passionate about what he's doing. Some people call him stubborn. I don't. I like what they're doing. It's a different type of pinball machine. Yeah. Exactly. And there's a market for it, I think. The portal has proven that there's a market for it. Would you get a P3? I would 100% get a good P3. He is designing our arcade because it's an unfinished room. He wants to put in a closet just so he can easily slide other modules in. So he's definitely looking for it. It's in the plan. Just make sure you get a module that has Dungeon Door Defender. That's the one that I want to try. What does that mean? It's so it's one of the mini games you can play. Is it Princess Bride? What's the other one that has it? Heist. Oh, that's when we started. Yes, we played Heist too. I love the crane on Heist. Yeah, it's great. I love it. Yes. I have a Dungeon Door Defender. It will get majorly addicting. I think it's 150 bucks, right? So you download it and then you're just- And you'll play the hell out of Dungeon Door Defender. Oh, I would love to have that. That sounds so fun. So we, it's so bad, Jamie, I've gone and like taped out like how many machines this room could hold. So many different times. He keeps on coming up with different configurations. He's like, how about this? How about this? And I was like, as long as I can have my skeeball machine in there too, like go crazy. But I mean, going back to the coupon conversation, I've got to throw a monster league hockey in there. Like when is that going to come? I don't know, but I need that one now too. So those are, those are my two things and I've got my ratings on our channel. Yep, I think right now I would love to get a Multimorphic. It's not like this year, because I want to wait and see what they do next. And they're a little, I mean, they're expensive. Like getting into that platform is a lot. It is. But once you get in, then you're... You're rolling. Gotcha. So, wow. I actually, I think I'm going to join their Discord and see if I can find maybe one on a deal. Like somebody's looking to get rid of it and maybe grab it secondhand. I'm a smart. That's what I might do. We'll see. It's definitely going to go in there eventually. We've also got to finish the room. We can't buy too many machines before we finish the room. How do we get in there? What are we looking at? What's the- Okay. So there's several different configurations. Got a grand plan. We're going to knock out a part of the wall. We're going to put double doors in. Yes. Separate AC unit. 100%. You got to be comfortable in there, Jamie. We're going to do it. We're going to do it right. Exactly. I have a buddy that has like specialized, he owns a flooring business, so he's going to get us some specialized like super comfy flooring. One wall will fit eight machines. So we got eight across one wall. The other wall is where the closet will be. I can fit four machines. And then the last wall that's in the room can fit like a skeeball, maybe a polycade, and maybe something else. I think I have shit. I'm going to tell you this. I'm going to give you some advice. Please. Thank you. The addiction. Okay. I eat 12 Diet Cokes a day and I'm like a crazy person. I'm an addictive person and I can see your addiction, both of you. Don't waste your time with skeeball. It's going to be gone. If you can fit two machines there, you're going to fit two machines there. Jamie, stop it. Every time we go to the arcade, I make him play at least one game of skeeball with me. He doesn't like it because I always win. She does. It's true. Oh, Janine kicks my rear end. We went to Delray Pinball Museum and all she did was play like his 1910 skeeball, which are brilliant, by the way, if you're in Florida. It's like this mechanical EM skeeball. Oh, that's kind of cool. That's crazy. Well, that's all they played and I played pinball. I mean, I'm just telling you you're gonna get rid of it in six months. I need I need one game in there that I can win. He's always gonna beat me at pinball. How long is that? How hard is that gonna be to get down there? You know what? That's his problem. You're gonna need to buy an escalera. Have you heard of an escalera? Is that the ones that the mechanized that go up? Yeah, so the guy that does our rentals has one. Oh. Because he uses it to put, because we put, when we rent our machines, we get a new one every like eight weeks. He takes them down the stairs on that thing and it's like, oh my gosh. And we bought our cyclone and I was like with a regular one. I was like, I need to call him up and get his fancy machine. Just rent the Escalera. Seriously. Okay, so what we need also is we need a home leaderboard. So you're going to build that, right? Oh yeah. We actually just picked up a free TV from a friend of ours. I'm like, this is what we're going to use for our home. So we got a home leaderboard. And all right, what's bolted to the ground? So for me, if they could do that Batman 66. That's number one. Your cyclone will never leave. My cyclone will never leave the house. That's our first machine. That's got the sentimental value. My dad passed away last year. And so this was kind of like the homage to him. So that's, yeah, like we have a lot of memories about it. So that's bolted to the ground. I personally love Godzilla as well. I mean, I know it's the cliche answer. Oh, it's, do you know how many people bought Godzilla brought into this hobby? Okay. It's incredible. It's the highest selling Stern of all time. Exactly. That's crazy. And- Not the highest selling pinball machine of all time. I know, but it's good. I would not be surprised if they got there. Did you hear the rumor that they might do a Spike 3 version of that? I heard that. Me too. I hope they don't. I kind of, well, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind it. It's going to irritate everyone and then I'm going to have to hear about it. Because I wouldn't mind it because that's the one I would get. You would? Yeah, I would get it. You would? With the Spike 3 cabinet? Abnett. Yep. With the spec three. The expression lighting and everything. Yeah, it would be cool. That's pretty great. All right. If I had my way, our review just went up today. I would get a rush. I love. He's obsessed. I'm not. I'm not either. Thank you. See, I like John Borg. But I just think it's too hard. And it's weird. It is weird. Pro or? Oh, I would give the premium 100%. Okay. Yeah, it looks better and it has the vertical up kicker. Vertical up kicker. You're right. Yep. Right. That's the, well, so when we rented it, that's what we had. Like I said, our review just went up today. She gave it a 13 out of 25 and I gave it like a 22 out of 25. We're not on the same page. I don't see the music there. No. I went to several of their concerts. I was a Rush head in high school. So it's like right up there. And I've gained a better appreciation for Borg machines. They are wickedly difficult, but I kind of like, I like Rush a lot. I like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I hated the, I don't like Metallica as a band, but I liked the machine. Oh, that hurt me. I'm sorry. It's not my, not too hard for me. Oh, really? They're the best. We would need the, I can't remember what the plug-in thing is. The pin sound. Well, and you were nine months pregnant when we got Metallica in the house. So you were like, I'm not even gonna go down there. No. You can play it. I don't want to because I'm uncomfortable and I don't want to play the machine. Yeah, no, not my favorite. Well, how about having a devil in your house? I like the Iron Maiden machine. I think it plays great. It does play great, but my wife hates it. She is so done with it. So what I do is, my friends, we pass our games around. Oh, fun. That's smart. So I've got someone housing my walk-up soccer. Your walk-up soccer. Oh, okay. Gotcha. I only have room for one machine. That's it. I got a little bungalow. We moved from our John Super Compose is in the background, window Topics, calikas, experienced airsoftists, John, if you're listening, you got a Batman 66 that's at somebody else's house. If they want to bring that over here, I would be fine on Batman. I want to try the bookworm. The bookworm Mr. Freeze combo? Yes. The bookworm Mr. Freeze combo. King Tut is what you do. And then you just do all three King Tuts? All three King Tuts and you have a 3X multiplier for every shot. I'd like to try that. That's nice. Oh yeah, I'm excited. I learned about it and I tried it and I got it off once. Mmm. And I got like- You could only do it, I don't, I think I could do it like one in a hundred, but it's that one time that you- Yeah, I got it and I got like 1.5 billion with that game. Like it was a great game. Yeah, gadgets are everything, right? You gotta get- It is. You gotta get those gadgets. Get them. They're- Yeah, Jamie, it's such a good game. They need to, if Stern's listening to this, please, I'm begging you, Make that anniversary game so I will buy it. The best game ever. I've got the checkbook ready to go. All right. He's ready to spend some money and a coupon. There we go. And my coupon. It's all ready. Well, I don't think we've missed any manufacturers. Poor Hexa. Oh, I felt so bad. I wanted to play that Three Musketeers game and I didn't get to meet them. I gave him a long hug. We just hugged. No, I didn't hug him. I definitely did feel really terrible. I felt awful. But it was stuck in Memphis. And Ralph and I were just walking, and we were like the first persons he told. Oh. See, and I was like, because I didn't hear the news that it got caught up. And so I kept walking the floor. Looking for it. And I never found it. And I went to the map, and then I was like, okay, I think it's over here. And I could never find it. And I was like, well, maybe something happened. And then I think it was when I listened to your guys' roundtable, because I watched you guys do that. I actually interrupted you guys. I felt bad. Because I didn't- I didn't come and say hi and put the mic on. I should have put the mic on. Again, it was that imposter thing, Jamie. I was like, oh, they're doing their thing. It's real. I know it. It is. I have it too. I have anxiety, so I just freak out. And I'm like standing next to Ralph and I'm like, people don't know me. The hashtag for this show is the pinball campaign. Thanks for watching. Thank you. So, if you gave space for us with invite, if you mentioned, is what our next insight is, nevermind that. Anyone got any PB we don't quote us. We do like, and this is my last tip. Absolutely, Joy. That's very kind of you. Oh, very nice. You sent me pictures for the thumbnail and shout out to Mason Conrad for doing the thumbnail for me. You're the best. I owe you 20 bucks. I showed a picture to Janine. I go, Janine, look who I'm interviewing tonight. Aren't they lovely? And then I was 40 minutes late. Worth it. It's fine. Find Dr. C and Mrs. J. Well, you know, I almost did that. Like Jack Danger, you know, we don't really know his real name. No. Right? We kind of, I, you know, you kind of. Yeah. You know, you can guess. You can guess. But like, oh, he's been Jamie Birchall. So this is like, there you go. Well, and my thing was when I first started, I was really camera shy. Like I have a beautiful wife. I'm new. And so I was like, I was really hesitant to be on camera at all. And so I made these little avatars for us. I was like, we're gonna use names, we're gonna use these little avatars. And I used AI to create these little avatars based on what we looked like. Bad idea. Oh my gosh, Jamie, people were like, are you even real? Are these voices even real? And so I was like, okay, fine, we're gonna get rid of them. We're just gonna go on camera, it's gonna be fine. Be fine. And it's fine, it's fine now. It changed everything. It did. But that was why I did the whole like... The names. Yeah. And it's just like, well, at this point, I'm just gonna keep doing it. Yeah. Lean on it. Exactly. Yeah, that's good. I think you guys are doing a great job. I think it's definitely family fun and it's very, very positive. And we need that more in the community, you know? Well, I appreciate that. That's very kind of you to say. We really need that. And please follow Pinball Pursuit on all the major socials. Anything else I missed? I don't think so. No, this was a pleasure, Jamie. You are such a delight. We really appreciate you. I'm something. It was so fun to meet you. It's been so fun to be here. So just thanks. Thank you guys so much. And do me a favor. Once I cook stop, you have to hang on for a little bit and start talking to me some more because it's got to load up into. Okay. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Appreciate it. Thank you everyone for next week. I think we're recording another roundtable because we can't stay away from each other. And you guys do a good job. So. I talked to Cale today for about 45 minutes and we're just laughing. And then he goes, you know, this is a podcast right here. This phone. You know you're right. So we're going to look for that next week. And today is what, March 2nd? No, it's April 2nd. April 2nd. So this will be up April 3rd. I'll put it up in the morning. Cool. Love it. Perfect. Excited. All right. Thanks, guys, so much. Thank you. Parties.