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IRON PINBALL Battle - Stern Stars

Don't Panic Flip·video·2h 24m·analyzed·Oct 22, 2021
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TL;DR

Iron Pinball Battle on Stern Stars with streaming veteran Chuck Work discussing streaming history and pinball mechanics.

Summary

Don't Panic Flip hosts an Iron Pinball Battle featuring Stern's Stars with George (host), Eric (Chuck Work from Straight Down the Middle), and Extra Paul competing on multiple objectives. The episode covers Eric's background as a pinball streamer, his journey to Straight Down the Middle, tournament formats from recent Wisconsin events, and detailed gameplay walkthroughs of Stars objectives including high score, triple bonus, fully lit left spinner, and Kirk pass techniques.

Key Claims

  • Eric (Chuck Work) has been streaming pinball since 2015-2016, initially solo before joining Straight Down the Middle approximately 3-4 years ago

    high confidence · Eric describing his streaming origin: 'when i started streaming it was probably back in 2015 or 16'

  • Straight Down the Middle was modeled after Buffalo Pinball's multi-streamer approach, with different role assignments (gameplay/tutorial, newcomer perspective, etc.), but the original vision 'didn't quite get off the ground'

    high confidence · Eric explaining the channel's founding: 'zach and greg have started a straight down the middle channel... trying to get something together kind of like buffalo pinball'

  • Chuck Work is now primarily doing tournaments and tutorials rather than regular streaming due to time constraints and other pinball commitments

    high confidence · Eric: 'i'm mainly just doing tournaments now and tutorials here and there' and 'i don't have as much time as i used to'

  • The Fox Cities tournament in Wisconsin (4 days, 6 different tournament formats) featured match play with variation formats including strikes, points-based, and target-based systems

    high confidence · George asking about Wisconsin tournament: 'so it was over four days and it was six tournaments and they all had different formats... match play tournaments'

  • Chuck Work created comprehensive Game of Thrones tutorials totaling approximately 10 hours across 7 YouTube videos covering pre-code update, post-code update, and premium/LE differences

    high confidence · Eric describing his Game of Thrones content: 'five youtube videos and in total what's around 10 hours of tutorials' and 'in total or seven seven videos different videos'

  • On Stern Stars, hitting all six drop targets resets only if you haven't previously collected double bonus; once double bonus is achieved, drop targets stay down unless all six are completed

    high confidence · Eric explaining mechanics: 'if you're trying to get the spinner lit early on and you accidentally hit down three of the drop turkish you're kind of back to square one right but once that happens the targets won't reset unless you hit down all six'

Notable Quotes

  • “when i started streaming it was probably back in 2015 or 16 so there wasn't too many pinball streamers and i was still just kind of figuring things out”

    Chuck Work (Eric) @ early stream discussion — Establishes the historical context of pinball streaming in the mid-2010s when the space was still nascent

  • “it's a goofy combination of one uh my last name is wartenberger so wort is a family nickname and then a and then chuck is just a goofy high school nickname that some friends gave me”

    Chuck Work (Eric) @ username origin discussion — Origin story of the online persona 'Chuckwurt' that has become widely recognized in the pinball community

  • “pincing it okay yep yeah cinder so uh we're playing stars this evening”

    Chuck Work (Eric) @ Cincinnati Pinball Show explanation — Clarification of branding for the local convention he runs

  • “at this point you can sign on and there's typically pinball in either virtual or physical form on at any time if not you know up to 10 different people streaming it's it's awesome”

    George @ discussing streaming growth — Reflects the significant expansion of pinball streaming content availability post-COVID

  • “you gotta hit the three on the one side and then you gotta hit all six no big deal and suddenly i got there and like ball three came around i'm like i haven't completed any of the second bank”

    Chuck Work (Eric) @ triple bonus objective attempt — Demonstrates how easily a seemingly simple rule can become challenging in execution

  • “steve kirk is the designer of this game and many other games uh there's a center post on the game so a kirk pass is when you had the ball trapped on either flipper and then you let the ball go roll off the flipper bounce off the center post and then pass it to the other flipper”

    Chuck Work (Eric) @ Kirk pass explanation — Educational explanation of a named pinball technique tied to designer Steve Kirk's geometry philosophy

  • “because that game there's so many ways to play it that it's hard to tell people yeah do this because it might not work for you”

Entities

Chuck WorkpersonGeorgepersonExtra PaulpersonStraight Down The MiddleorganizationStern StarsgameSterncompanyDon't Panic FliporganizationBuffalo PinballorganizationCincinnati Pinball Showevent

Signals

  • ?

    content_signal: Chuck Work describes significant expansion of pinball streaming from 2015-2016 (only Buffalo Pinball and Dead Flip) to present day with 10+ concurrent streamers and content available most hours

    high · 'at this point you can sign on and there's typically pinball in either virtual or physical form on at any time if not you know up to 10 different people streaming it'

  • ?

    content_signal: Chuck Work produced 7 YouTube videos totaling approximately 10 hours of Game of Thrones tutorials, indicating comprehensive coverage strategy for complex modern machines

    high · 'five youtube videos and in total what's around 10 hours of tutorials on that' and 'in total or seven seven videos'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Recent Fox Cities tournament (Wisconsin) employed 6 different competitive formats across 4 days (match play with strikes, points-based, target-based), showing increasing sophistication in tournament design

    high · Chuck Work describing 'six tournaments and they all had different formats' with 'match play tournaments' featuring 'strikes where if you do bad on a game you receive a strike'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Chuck Work transitioned from regular streaming to primarily tournament hosting and selective tutorials due to expanded pinball involvement, indicating maturation of streaming role diversity

    high · 'i'm mainly just doing tournaments now and tutorials here and there' and 'i don't have as much time as i used to and i'm doing a lot of other stuff in pinball'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Discussion of Stern Stars mechanics reveals 1970s-era design decisions: drop targets resetting on bank completion, bonus multiplication without progress save between balls, tight spinner geometry

Topics

Pinball streaming history and evolutionprimaryContent creation strategies and tutorial productionprimaryStern Stars gameplay mechanics and objectivesprimaryTournament formats and competitive structuressecondaryPinball design philosophy and named techniques (Kirk pass)secondaryModern vs. classic pinball machine characteristicssecondaryCommunity growth in pinball streaming post-COVIDmentionedGame-specific strategy and rule knowledgeprimary

Sentiment

positive(0.82)— Host and guests are enthusiastic, collaborative, and respectful. Friendly competitive tone with focus on education and community building. Occasional self-deprecating humor and celebration of successful plays. No hostility or negativity toward competitors or games discussed.

Transcript

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George attended The Pinball Expo (TPF) in 2018 or 2019 but had minimal prior interaction with Eric before this stream

medium confidence · George: 'i think i ran into you once at tpf in 2018 or 2019 for a uh very briefly outside of that i i don't think uh we've really interacted that much'

  • Pinball skill requires three core components: accuracy, recovery, and knowledge of rules

    medium confidence · George discussing competitive fundamentals: 'pinball is made up of like uh accuracy recovery and knowledge of rules knowledge of rules is one of the the three very pivotal parts of being a good pinball player'

  • Chuck Work (Eric) @ Game of Thrones tutorial philosophy — Explains the rationale behind his comprehensive multi-video tutorial approach to complex modern games

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    medium · Eric explaining 'it doesn't really save your progress between all the balls so every ball' and 'the targets won't reset unless you hit down all six'

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    community_signal: Emphasis on learning rules and strategy from strangers at pin golf events, with 75-80% of players possessing non-obvious strategic knowledge, indicating strong knowledge-sharing culture

    medium · 'i would try and find strangers or someone that only has three because more than likely like they're gonna have knowledge that you don't' and 'i guarantee you 75 to 80 of the people knew about that doctor'

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    gameplay_signal: Discussion of backhand spinner shots on Stern Stars, Kirk pass technique, and similar unintended geometry exploits reveals ongoing discovery and documentation of classic machine mechanics

    medium · Chuck Work: 'can you backhand it on mine okay i've never even tried' and 'i love finding that that's cool' regarding unintended geometry

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    product_strategy: Chuck Work's Game of Thrones tutorial strategy included separate Pro, Premium, and LE videos post-code update, indicating manufacturers are creating meaningful differentiation requiring audience education

    high · 'i did one final video now that i had the premium to say okay here's the premium and le tutorial where all it was was this is what's different about this game than the pro'

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    market_signal: Chuck Work purchased a used Stern Stars after verifying PinSide reputation and previous owner's restoration work, suggesting secondary market buyers rely on community feedback for confidence

    medium · 'the person who had it apparently went through and replaced a bunch said it was perfectly working fine and had on pin side a a really good reputation so i felt i felt confident'

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    streaming_signal: Chuck Work maintains wireless streaming setup for flexibility between home games and tournament hosting, indicating professionalization of personal tournament infrastructure

    medium · 'i keep my my rig and my setup wireless at all times because it's kind of a pain in the ass to switch back and forth so i just keep it wireless whether it's just me or if i'm having a tournament'

  • [Music] [Applause] [Music]
    5:51
    good evening everybody my name is george this show is don't panic flip and tonight we have some amazing special guests on for an iron pinball battle stars we have eric coming to us from somewhere actually don't know where kentucky hell oh yeah awesome kentucky we have eric from straight down the middle and then uh here with me in house i have extra paul you guys are familiar with extra paul how's it going everybody and uh yeah fun uh battle this evening and a game i
    6:23
    fun uh battle this evening and a game i honestly haven't spent uh a ton of time on um eric is uh it not only helped come up with uh with all of the objectives for this evening but is gonna give us the rundown on how to actually achieve each of those objectives so really looking forward to that um eric this is honestly i i think i ran into you once at tpf in 2018 or 2019 for a uh very briefly outside of that i i don't think uh we've really interacted
    6:54
    don't think uh we've really interacted that much and i've always had this uh interesting quest or a question about how you went uh from i think streaming potentially under your your own account or how did you you you get uh hooked up with straight down the middle what's that what's that story so i guess when i started streaming it was probably back in 2015 or 16 so there wasn't too many pinball streamers and i was still just kind of figuring things out and
    7:24
    kind of figuring things out and started to stream more regularly and i guess zach and greg have started a straight down the middle channel um and they wanted to try and get something together kind of like buffalo pinball you know where they had multiple streamers streaming under the same channel you know trying to get a lot more content out there throughout the week so it wasn't just those two streaming and kind of they're trying to hit all their bases you know like i was gonna be the game play and tutorial guy and then like they'd have like a guy who was you know newer to the pinball scene you know kind of get different aspects
    7:55
    you know kind of get different aspects but um you know didn't quite get off the ground they contacted me you know i obviously joined up and then they stopped streaming as much and then eventually it just became me so um so yeah it's been pretty much me only streaming from straight down the middle for the past i don't know three four years or so um like i said just their idea just didn't quite get off the ground and they kind of moved into other adventures but yeah since we had built up a a base there i kind of just quit streaming from my channel and
    8:25
    quit streaming from my channel and streamed from and stayed on straight down the middle and then you know obviously when i get my vibes together i i'll upload them to my my youtube channel at chuckwort um and then sometimes straight down the middle will also post to theirs as well to get extra exposure but yeah that's kind of the long and short of it okay awesome and while we're on that note uh eric can can you also explain to us why uh where chuckward came from i i love it i it's funny
    8:55
    i it's funny quick aside i thought your name was chuck for years it was something recently i found out it was something else yeah a lot of people in in in pinball that only know me you know first as an online persona i guess you could say you know see that chuck word everywhere so they default to calling me chuck some some of my closest pinball friends will call me chuck but uh it's a goofy combination of one uh my last name is wartenberger so wort is a family nickname and then a and then chuck is just a goofy
    9:27
    chuck is just a goofy high school nickname that some friends gave me and so way back when aol instant messenger first started that was my my login my first online i guess presence and i've just kind of kept it ever since you know xbox live you know anything online that i need a username for it's gonna be check work because it's almost never taken so um yeah that's awesome that's a really cool story now you're um i think you're on instagram is it twitter facebook and it's all under chuck word is that right correct i also run the uh
    10:00
    correct i also run the uh uh the cincinnati pinball show which is a pinball convention we run in the cincinnati area every year so uh it's it's it's uh cincinnati with a p and that's on the same same account you know instagram twitter facebook so you can follow there for some similar content for me and and info about the our local pinball convention so and would you say cincinnati with a p i'm not sure if i was the only one confused by that what what is what does that mean pins and net so replace
    10:35
    yeah like a lot of people want to say pin cincinnati and that's not right just change the first letter just pincing it okay yep yeah cinder so uh we're playing stars this evening and uh and it's funny i'm not a huge fan of the uh of ems or really solid states usually sorry that was pretty shocking i saw you picked this up
    11:05
    saw you picked this up it shocked me it's an older game uh thankfully i i don't like working on games and the person who had it apparently went through and replaced a bunch said it was perfectly working fine and had on pin side a a really good reputation so i felt i felt confident i wasn't getting screwed and i was going to get something that was in good shape and it wasn't going to break down on me artwork uh is is a huge part i think of of what i like about this game the fact and that for a
    11:35
    about this game the fact and that for a solid state it also there's kind of a lot to do which leads us into the objectives objective one so uh we've got a few uh lined up for for us to play tonight which is to go through a standard high score uh then we're going to go through and do a triple bonus uh a fully lit left spin splint wow spinner i have only had one drink so far this evening price is right at 100 000
    12:05
    this evening price is right at 100 000 points uh collect a 7 000 drop target a 7000 point drop target a uh fully lit right spinner and on both of those it's not just light up the spinner can uh are are we good to say it's light up the spinner and you have to hit the spinner with it fully lit yeah that's that's what everybody wants um i'll be surprised if if um even though we have our game set to five ball that that fully lit right spinner is a pretty tough one but we'll see okay
    12:37
    is a pretty tough one but we'll see okay um i gotta open up my ear i just realized that i actually can't hear paul even though he's right next to me talking i couldn't hear what he said um uh price is right 75 000. uh a second high score game we're gonna then collect special and max bonus and many of these things uh i ski dude just redeemed a don't panic brick shirt uh i skidoo hit me up on discord with a note that you just redeemed it i'll get
    13:07
    note that you just redeemed it i'll get you the link and the code and we'll get you that shirt um and uh sorry uh eric will end up uh walking us through each of the rule sets for stuff that either i don't know how to do or paul doesn't know how to do or pretty much that for me that that's that's everything and so uh eric will end up walking us through the the rule sets on how to get there and i think maybe we just get crazy and and play a high score game and jump right in
    13:38
    and jump right in oh that's better yeah first one is high score so so how do you typically do it like uh should we wait till we're both on the same ball then start the second ball or how do you typically do it okay so for high score since it's not a timed you can just play through all five balls and then while that's happening uh paul will uh end up switching between scenes maybe asking some questions feel free to to respond if you can paul please irritate
    14:09
    respond if you can paul please irritate eric while he's playing because eric is amazing at not only pinball but i've seen him play stars and uh and i have no doubt in my mind how this is gonna go this evening yeah i think you're gonna get rocked i think i'm gonna get rocked as well well i will say we just played a very long super series of tournaments up in michigan over the weekend and i'm pretty hungover from that so we'll see how my uh if my skills are still around from that so okay okay uh i guess light them up and
    14:41
    okay okay uh i guess light them up and paul when you're ready count us down uh all right three two one go all right my aim works that's a good start cool that was no it didn't touch anything it was not a house ball well it was a house ball i had a pilot error on ball one
    15:13
    uh okay when i start start a game if i'm just playing for score i'll i'll try and uh go after the drop targets on the left a little bit okay triple bonus so oh then when you get the ball on a trap i kind of try to pick off some of the stars
    15:47
    and the nice thing on these like older games is that uh it doesn't it's good and it's bad it doesn't really save your progress between all the balls so every ball oh yeah that makes this game pretty difficult yeah for sure but at a competitive standpoint losing you know getting a house ball on ball one isn't yes you shouldn't sweat really having a quick ball or two you're not losing out on putting progress roll
    16:19
    losing out on putting progress roll their own ball it happens five single ball game oh man that right out lane is just eating me up right now all right uh you guys are both on ball four at this point okay and chuck is in the process of clearing those drop targets all right you can drink after that it's a quick quick four balls for me right now
    16:56
    yeah gank 91 in the chat met that gentleman at wisconsin met a whole bunch of new people there that was fun what kind of uh format was the tournament in wisconsin so it was over four days and it was six tournaments and they all had different formats oh was this the fox cities yeah yeah yeah that's a great a great job by tom
    17:26
    yeah that's a great a great job by tom and company all right i'm in the clubhouse with 74. that would have been a really good one for like is our prices right one the 75 or whatever yeah uh george is ahead you've won that one okay i got uh so i am on ball five well i i all i did was took your advice eric and and you said to focus on the bonus i'm like oh that's a really good idea maybe maybe i should focus on bonus
    17:58
    maybe i should focus on bonus yeah cause like there's no overlapping features but you know that's something you can just kind of you know guarantee yourself a little bit each ball is getting getting some quick bonus so even if you have those quick balls you're gonna get you know seven eight nine 10k a ball if you concentrate on it i scored all right so george like so what was your final score for that uh i am on i'm at 98 000 right now and i uh and i still have ball five left to play nice
    18:29
    have ball five left to play nice so i'm just gonna re-plunge off and restart it hell yeah always good to have a walk-off um yeah so in wisconsin they were all match play tournaments though which means um it's everyone in groups of three or four being put on random games and you play the game and then you play another round and you just keep running that back so the variations came with either playing strikes where if you do bad on a game you receive a strike if you receive so many strikes you're out
    18:59
    you receive so many strikes you're out or it was points based if you get depending on the position you finish in your game you get a certain number of points and you know it would just run so many rounds and whoever had the most points wins or it was like a target so the first person to get to x amount of points won the tournament that kind of thing so huh cool so like i said six different formats across four days it was so one tournament the first day two tournaments the next two days and then one tournament the last day very nice very nice yeah and that coverage was amazing there
    19:31
    yeah and that coverage was amazing there was two to three commentators at all times uh it was great to see tom get out there and just move things around like that was one of the few times you got to see tom was him like under the camera as he's moving all the equipment around yeah we do that too at pincenti when i have my um my mobile rig there they have uh a chuck work cam where it's just like on my face as i'm like moving the game around um when i see you host a tournament i feel like there's been a bunch of times where
    20:02
    like there's been a bunch of times where do you host tournaments out of your house yeah yeah so i that's why i keep my my rig and my setup wireless at all times because it's kind of a pain in the ass to switch back and forth so i just keep it wireless whether it's just me or if i'm having a tournament because then it's just ready to go at any time that's awesome and you mentioned earlier that you've been streaming for it's what like five six seven years it's it's quite a while right so when i started it was really just buffalo and dead flip uh maybe like one
    20:32
    buffalo and dead flip uh maybe like one or two other people that would do it you know very infrequently um yeah so the twippies back then was a little bit easier for me to get on the map because there wasn't really anybody to choose from um but yeah no i i learned a lot from those those guys they helped me out a lot and then obviously since joining tpn my um you know knowledge has exploded from all you guys knowing way more than i do so it's really cool just seeing all these new people get into it because i don't have as much time as i used to and
    21:03
    don't have as much time as i used to and i'm doing a lot of other stuff in pinball and i can't stream as much as i used to i'm mainly just doing tournaments now and tutorials here and there so um it is really cool to see that schedule just jam-packed with people now oh my god yeah at this point you can sign on and there's typically pinball in either virtual or physical form on at any time if not you know up to 10 different people streaming it's it's awesome the the format has changed and that's i mean if you we can pull a positive out of covid it seems like pinball has really done well since
    21:34
    like pinball has really done well since covet or maybe it's just home gaming in general yeah you could be the opposite which is surprising right a bunch of people breathing and touching uh mr hard luck good evening welcome to the stream uh ooh that's right uh first jiu jitsu class i think we were on a stream earlier and you mentioned heading out to jiu jitsu so congrats on your first jiu jitsu class i hope you didn't break anything or if you did it with someone else um
    22:05
    so hold on a second objective two all right what's number two you want me to try my announcement yeah yeah let's try it let's let paul tries to announce her voice objective two solid no no all right we're gonna try it one more time objective two nope we're just gonna actually have to go to it that's fine so uh objective number two is triple bonus now i i have no idea what this is
    22:35
    bonus now i i have no idea what this is eric can you walk us through it sure uh so when we start the game i believe right in front of the drop targets the double bonus light should be lit as green so that means when you complete the task you will get double bonus which will light right in front of your left flipper to do that you just have to hit down either bank of drop targets so it only takes three drop targets and you're done but you have to hit one of the complete banks you can't hit two on one side then one on the other it's going to be a complete bank once you do that
    23:06
    once you do that you'll get your double bonus it'll light up then all the drop targets pop back up then to get triple bonus you have to hit down all six drop targets and you have to do that during your ball if you drain you got to start back over like we were saying before no progress safe so you kind of have to have a a decent ball to get that done so pretty easy and straightforward but kind of easier said than done kind of thing right right uh i was at um sorry what was the tournament uh dory hill had a a
    23:36
    was the tournament uh dory hill had a a similarly difficult uh achievement that you had to do during the the pin golf on doctor who where you had to hit all of the targets down the right side in order to activate your video mode is what it was and uh then did you pick the right doctor to make that a lot easier because there's a doctor income there's a big doctor that makes it easier yeah so it's easy when you're selecting the doctors it'll it'll light up numbers around the play field and there's a
    24:07
    around the play field and there's a number that's right next to that i believe it says rescue on those targets so just find the one i can't i can't remember what number it is but it's easy when you're cycling through them you'll see it lights it up on the playfield do that and it takes like maybe two three hits to it and it's uh and you're ready to go ah man and and this is this is the the part of pinball that i am awful at and i'll complain about it but i have i i i so rarely feel like unless i get into a situation where i i am forced to learn or it makes sense
    24:38
    i i am forced to learn or it makes sense to learn at a time i i don't actively go out there like i a lot of people go play virtual pinball on games to figure out the rules of a game to know how they can get big points and i just don't do that but that's a perfect example of where that would have been amazing right play virtual doctor who you actually get on there it's this hit this one thing oh great there's a doctor that gets you there that knowledge is is obviously why when they talk about um pinball is made up of like uh accuracy recovery and knowledge of rules
    25:08
    recovery and knowledge of rules knowledge of rules is one of the the three very pivotal parts of being a good pinball player yeah i would agree with those the same three aspects um what i would recommend too like if you go to a ping golf event like unless you came with a group and you guys are already kind of set up that's fine to play with them but i assume you got into groups of four and just kind of went around and did all the holes yes i would try and find strangers or someone that only has three because more than likely like they're gonna have knowledge that you don't you can always
    25:38
    knowledge that you don't you can always talk about like best strategies for the game because i guarantee you 75 to 80 of the people knew about that doctor to make that easier to start video mode so a lot of times when they do objective based pen golf it's to teach you something about the game you didn't know before and it's not exactly obvious what the objective is so it's usually some sort of fringe non like main strategy type objective for the game so okay well on that note i learned how to get double
    26:08
    on that note i learned how to get double and triple bonus and this next objective is get to triple and this one is time so it's the first person to get there but uh ball will take precedence meaning if you get there quicker but you do it on your second ball and i get there slower but i do it on my first ball i would win because i did it on the first ball as opposed to second if we both do it on the first ball but you get there before me okay so if i'm on ball one and i know you're on a later ball and i'm like one or two targets away i can kind of slow
    26:39
    or two targets away i can kind of slow down take my time and make sure i don't screw up my opportunity okay exactly yep exactly sounds good and the other thing is that the play fields have a bit more delay on them than our audio and video so those are in sync if you hit it go ahead and say that you got it and i'll do the same okay all right sounds good and then let's say we're both doing horribly and we don't get it in a full game do we just keep playing until one of us gets it yes yep and then the same ball number applies at
    27:09
    and then the same ball number applies at the same time if you get there faster but we both do it on the second game first ball yeah there okay okay cool all right i am started got a ball ready paul do you want to count us down let's battle so go now all right three two one plunge
    27:40
    all right i got some better feed it's pop great start great start there goes ball one same i don't like these bounces game's giving me tonight
    28:14
    what are you doing dummy man i'm going through this game real quick yep there goes ball 2 when i'm playing playing this game that's going to be my new number one goal is to to bump up the bonus and then and then hit up the spinner
    28:45
    now yeah i just watched um in preparation for this i i did uh re-watch um bowen's tutorial video uh which he says i mean you can do there's kind of two strategies one target away or you go for uh the loaded spinner okay whoo and i ski do by the way i don't know why i didn't mod you three or four months ago
    29:33
    i am on ball four i've got five targets left well i'm gonna ball five though but four oh come on all right two targets two targets oh i hit that spinner though i don't know one target left oh my god triple gun nice
    30:03
    since i am i'm gonna tilt on a slap save and i somehow survived all right all right so uh because i'm now on ball five and he did it on ball five that means that he immediately wins so eric excellent job on that challenger scored okay one to one that's awesome dump in a tight one right man it was funny because you know just
    30:34
    man it was funny because you know just describing you gotta hit the three on the one side and then you gotta hit all six no big deal and suddenly i got there and like ball three came around i'm like i haven't completed any of the second bank of the six targets this is doing it all in one ball is actually kind of scary i don't know if i'm gonna get it done yeah just wait till we get to the fully juiced right spinner then that's that's probably the most difficult one we set up that or collect special because collect special you kind of have to do that and then do
    31:06
    you kind of have to do that and then do one more thing but um yeah so okay we'll see speaking about that i don't know what our next objective is objective three uh looks like it is a fully lit left spinner uh eric do you wanna walk us through how we go about achieving a fully lit left spinner yep so if you look in front of this left spinner there's two inserts and if you can't read the play field on the stream
    31:36
    can't read the play field on the stream it says spinner scores 200 so that means if this if it's unlit 200 points per spin excuse me and then for each center drop target that you have down at that point in time it will light up one of two more inserts and each of those is worth another 400 points to the spinner's value so if you have one drop target center drop target down the spinner is now worth 600 200 plus 400 then if you have both center drop
    32:06
    400 then if you have both center drop targets down it's worth 400 400 200 so a thousand a spin um the trick to that is though if you remember to get double bonus if you hit down one of the three banks all six targets come back up so if you're trying to get the spinner lit early on and you accidentally hit down three of the drop turkish you're kind of back to square one right but once that happens the targets won't reset unless you hit down all six so then it's a little bit easier to get that spinner fully juiced
    32:37
    easier to get that spinner fully juiced but to start it off if you want to be really quick about this challenge you got to be kind of like a sniper a little bit and just get those middle targets on either side without hitting down one of the full bangs so but then once so it'll be fully lit once you have both inserts lit in front of the spinner pretty easy to tell uh but again since we have a little bit of a delay probably best for whomever to call it out when they get it yeah okay so uh my biggest concern here is actually hitting that spinner that is a kind of a
    33:09
    hitting that spinner that is a kind of a tiny hole it's a tiny hole um i will uh recommend at least trying at least once or twice to get a feel for it uh i can backhand it on mine okay i've never even tried can you yeah so it looks super tight but and the geometry doesn't look right but it it it works on mine okay can you also kirk pass on yours i cannot on mine um
    33:41
    cannot on mine um i i don't do it much at all i think i tried it when i first got it it wasn't working consistently so i stopped um that's usually a little bit easier on meteor because i feel like that um the drop off's a little bit more but yeah definitely on mine it doesn't it doesn't jump quite as much as it should like you you still might be able to like hit the ball with the left flipper but it's not coming to like a safe shot or anything like that but for those that don't know what a kirk pass is steve kirk is the designer
    34:13
    kirk pass is steve kirk is the designer of this game and many other games uh there's a center post on the game so a kirk pass is when you had the ball trapped on either flipper and then you let the ball go roll off the flipper bounce off the center post and then pass it to the other flipper um i did not sure yeah yep so if you look right next to the right flip flipper you can see steve kirk designed it um and his geometry with that center post usually allowed that pass so meteor is another steve kirk game i believe and
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    and this is so that pass can work on that game as well but again it's just game by game temperamental kind of setup thing on whether it works or not but yep that's what that is it is cool when you find it though yeah oh yeah oh yeah super cool because yeah i mean it's especially huge on this game because if you're trying to set up the right spinner for a shot and you can just easily let the ball roll off bounce over and then rip it that's that's a pretty huge move are you checking to see if you can do it i am now checking i realized i had still have by ball five ready to go so let's see if it
    35:14
    ball five ready to go so let's see if it works it kind of got there but yeah like like like when it works really well it'll bounce so far over that you can trap the ball on the other side oh man that would be cool but yeah cool little things you can try with these older games it's kind of neat okay one to one going into objective number three uh i guess and any last
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    number three uh i guess and any last words eric before we uh before we get started nope just good luck man and try that backhand i'd be interested to see if you can do it on yours oh yeah i'm excited too let's battle apparently i have to do it uh paul do you want to count us down yeah uh three two one one
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    all right shoot what are we doing again uh left spinner so hit the center drop target on the other side yep you're going for the center drop targets on either uh i haven't even gotten one of the inserts lit yet all right i got one yeah your other side is that just the red target
    36:47
    target there goes ball two i had the insert slit i just didn't hit the spinner all right let's try here fall for it
    37:17
    man i've had a couple no flips on this one i'm already on ball five okay all right there's no switch there so i got lucky darn it all right let's see if i can hit this red oh no that didn't work nope all right ball four come on
    37:47
    come on i hit one of them but then cleared the bank yep this is a really interesting objective it's do well but not too well yeah right and there goes ball four yeah i believe this is the strategy that uh cohen said in this tutorial video that we used to go for but uh no longer does just because it's so easy to screw it up and reset and have to get that all over you all right so i'm i'm through i'm through
    38:18
    all right so i'm i'm through i'm through game one and i haven't done it yet all right i've got it lit daniel and i have to and at the back end right now i have to back and also his only remaining drop targets are the ones next to the only yeah the only ones that are currently up are the ones surrounding the opening so it's got to be clean oh yeah [Laughter]
    38:49
    that was awesome just need a little pressure to succeed yeah that was it yeah that's for pressure apparently i can backhand that by the way the ball goes almost completely through without even touching a rail until the top like the the geometry of it is is is quite yeah it's and it's the very like last you know like the left side at the very top when you do it perfect yeah i love finding that that's cool i'm glad you were able to to back in like mine i was always curious if other ones uh allowed that because i haven't played too many different copies
    39:20
    too many different copies i i do like that as well like unintended geometry um i have that with uh tna i can backhand the left orbit and i had scott on oh wow commentating a battle between me and uh and mpt3k and he called me a cheater because he did not intend for that because that took me that way what did you do to my game exactly
    39:51
    i scored no didn't work this one i don't actually have a way to to to get it to activate without of uh an audio okay i scored there it is but the the animations are great i love that yeah good job thank you thank you i'll take that i'll take that absolutely uh okay so uh eric the first time i saw you stream uh
    40:21
    eric the first time i saw you stream uh it was part of your series on uh how to play game of thrones and this was before the software change and you had like a multi-part series on how to play it it was the most in-depth i had ever seen anyone build not only a twitch stream around but also youtube what are your thoughts now uh after the software change on on game of thrones and a follow-up to that is you had a pro at that time and i think now you have a premium or an le
    40:53
    now you have a premium or an le i have a premium now um so the so i finished the series and by the way it's five youtube videos and in total what's around 10 hours of tutorials on that so it's pretty crazy so there are a decent amount of people i'd say that's seen all of them but for the most part i tell people you know watch the first couple and that's really what you want to watch uh because it
    41:24
    what you want to watch uh because it goes into like nothing to do with the rules of the game but but kind of more or less like here's how you should like be playing this game no matter what like you always short plunge you always know about certain quips about certain shots that like behave certain ways if you do it a certain way and you can play a lot safer if you do this do that and then i get more into like the rules so it's kind of more important to know those little tricks of the trade for that game but anyway so yeah so then the the code update came
    41:55
    so yeah so then the the code update came out and i did one update video to explain okay here are the changes overall and then i did one final video now that i had the premium to say okay here's the premium and le tutorial where all it was was this is what's different about this game than the pro um so yeah in total or seven seven videos different videos that's yeah that's a lot of rules i have them all in one playlist on on my channel so you can go
    42:26
    you can go grab which ones you want i put a little bullet point list of what i cover so you can just kind of find what you want information on but yeah it was just a game i like a whole bunch and decided to not just do a tutorial of okay here's how i like to blow this game up it was here's everything the game has to offer and you decide what would be best for you um because that game there's so many ways to play it that it's hard to tell
    42:58
    ways to play it that it's hard to tell people yeah do this because it might not work for you you know um so when you go into a tournament then on game of thrones do you have on the updated rule set a particular way that that that you like to play that game or does it change based on situational circumstances uh both so i have i i can almost guarantee you no matter how the game's set up or what's going on that i'm probably on the new code i'm probably gonna pick house uh baratheon now
    43:28
    now i could yeah there's a lot of yeah the outland the outland scene outlane saves it's it's easier to get to wall multiball which is a multi-ball everyone always ignores but with baratheon it's way easier to get to and it's worth 10 times more than any other house if you're that house so you have this extra multi-ball that nobody ever plays that you get to play on top of the other multi-balls that people are playing and you're getting a lot more value out of that um yeah especially if the game's set up brutal i mean you got those extra outlaying saves that nobody has
    44:00
    outlaying saves that nobody has so it's um but anyway while i'm playing the game if shots aren't going the way i want them to i might have to pivot go somewhere else so yeah i i i always have obviously all that knowledge to help me pivot if i need to because if you're zeroed in on some specific strategy and you walk up to a game that just isn't letting you do that we talked about this at the the wisconsin tournament a lot you have to learn to play a game so well that you can just
    44:30
    play a game so well that you can just take what it's giving you don't force some specific strategy that you know know enough about the game that you can just take what it's giving you don't force something to happen that the game's clearly not letting you do right um so yeah so that's kind of the whole point of some of my tutorials where i just i try to tell you every inch of the game every possible scenario and then you just decide which one's best for you now it's a lot harder to set up those types of tutorials because it's a lot more in depth it takes a lot more time to set
    45:01
    depth it takes a lot more time to set them up but on older games and stuff it's easier but yeah the newer ones especially once they're that complex it just takes forever right uh so it's funny i i had a i had a game of thrones pro and and loved it and it was brutal and the flow was just amazing but i remember uh either just before just after you recommending and it's funny because i kind of got interested in the game having watched your tutorials on game of thrones which was on a pro you had changed your mind
    45:34
    was on a pro you had changed your mind and and we're all in on on the premium can why why uh is the premium the better of the two now over time so it's it's all 100 the new code now when i like when the new code came out i had already bought a premium i didn't know it was coming out the the the new code um dwight emailed me and said hey like i had a lull and you know projects i was working on so i'm hitting i'm hitting game of thrones for a huge update and and ghostbusters do you want the code
    46:05
    and ghostbusters do you want the code for game of thrones i said hell yeah it's awesome and i was like but i just got a premium so send me the premium code anyway i was getting the premium because i had the pro for since it came out i put over 10 000 plays on it like i had my time with it but i didn't want to get rid of the game so it's like all right i'm ready to get the premium i might not like it as much but you know i just want you know to have that different experience but then the new code came out and it adds all kinds of functionality to the upper play field there's an extra multi-ball you get up there that was not worth much
    46:36
    you get up there that was not worth much before but now it's worth a lot so um just added a lot more options and ways to add some big points to the game with the new code so that's what ultimately pushed me over the edge had it stayed on the old code i doubt i would like the premium more than the pro um but yeah i mean i mean the flow's not as good but what you lose a little bit and flow at that upper play field adds a lot of adds a lot of goodness yeah yeah i had uh it
    47:09
    a lot of goodness yeah yeah i had uh it was it was i've had star trek now a few times and game of thrones and i feel like those are the those are the two games i go to when i want flow when i want a really flowy game those are also two games that feature wide spinners oh yeah those are both wide spinners and they're both steve ritchie games so it's not surprising that you uh gravitated towards both of those so oh man yeah both of those games are so much fun okay oh yeah uh what is our next objective paul objective four
    47:42
    next objective paul objective four hey that worked uh alright price is right one hundred thousand paul can you explain the concept of prices right while i go grab the beer uh yeah can you grab me yes i can you want another one of those sure um we're doing this blind right yeah okay yeah that's that's kind of how uh prices right works so uh you cover up your score oh yeah we're sorry we're not actually covering up we're not actually covering up
    48:12
    up okay well you're just not looking at the score then no no you look at the score that would have made things really interesting you can't oh you can't tilt okay gotcha i'm i'm used to a different style i guess uh oh so we didn't talk about that before okay go ahead yeah in my experience uh you you cover up the score and just make it completely blind and you want to get as close to just like price is right you want to get as close to the number without getting over if you go over you lose
    48:44
    if you go over you lose huh i've never played it that way this beer sucks oh my god this is so bad but an extra wrinkle that you guys just talked about that i didn't know before so we can't tilt out to freeze our score where it's at yes uh apparently i am pulling from my history of playing prices right just in battles but i'm totally fine to cover up the score and do it a different way if that's if that's how it's typically done i
    49:21
    just the way you described but we can see the score and you can't tilt out to freeze your score once you kind of get to where you want it to be just kind of strategically shoot and drain and okay okay and that's the way that i'm used to playing prices right as opposed to the but i shoot you know it's fun we could do prices right 100 000 that way and then plan to maybe try prices right 75 when we get there sure and cover up the score because i i'd be interested in trying that and just kind of giving up at some point when you think you're pretty close to 75 000
    49:52
    pretty close to 75 000 yeah right i think that's a good call so yeah we'll do this one with the score uncovered and then we'll do the next one covered i'm so sorry i'll be right back i need to grab a different beer this one is so bad it tastes it tastes like weld works like the beer actually went bad oh okay okay without going over which one was that that's
    50:23
    one was that that's hawaiian yeah that was the hawaiian gingerbread or shortbread or something it had cookies why did that sound good [Laughter] ah that uh eric i i like really sweet beers so the majority of my beers are like blueberry cobbler pie uh sour okay or have you there's a there's a brewery called uh i believe it's fat head in ohio and they
    50:55
    believe it's fat head in ohio and they make a it's called bumbleberry and it's a um i think it's i think it's a blueberry flavored um set so if you're ever in this area and you see that as an option definitely get it okay i think you would sorry it's called fat head yeah i think it's fat heads it's got a it kind of looks like the guy from those old like you know this old magnetic like cover the guy's face with like magnetic shavings and put different oh my god yeah i know exactly what you're talking
    51:25
    yeah i know exactly what you're talking about like the red yeah right your face kind of looks like that guy but he's kind of like got the the horseshoe bald head he's got a fat head with like a mustache and um but yeah that's a good beer from them and then we have our big local like one of our local spots is greater ice cream and it's like you know if you come from out of town you get local food that's one of the places you go to and there's a local brewery that makes their most popular ice cream flavored beer
    51:56
    beer it's a raspberry chocolate chip i think yeah raspberry chip wow so if you're ever in the area definitely check those out oh yeah i am definitely checking those out those that's that's right up my my alley with regards to flashlights i'm always looking for that all right so it's a hundred thousand and if you go over you're disqualified and if we both go over it then we have to play it again okay okay that's good yep and this is not timed so we can start
    52:27
    and this is not timed so we can start whenever we want to oh battle since it doesn't work for me fight all right best way to tackle this all right yeah this one is a timed uh air so go ahead whenever
    52:57
    yeah i'm at a whopping 4 000 right now feeling pretty decent i'm gonna go for that double bonus [Music] oh that got 19 000 on ball one here that's i mean kind of good pacing like yeah i guess it's kinda get off there maybe a little shy but i mean
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    shy but i mean i'm stuck on a uh tap yeah area all right we're cool we're cool we're cool uh that's the cause of uh warped flippers which is uh totally uh an issue on my my jungle princess at home i just got triple bonus and i only had 2 000 and bonus accumulated on a fairly long ball i don't think i've ever had that happen before
    54:01
    it's crazy i plunged directly into the leftover i almost did eric's at about 55 oh jesus yep this is a good one for me i just want you to name it and
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    and go home with that brand new tv okay so uh yeah you can just let it go on the lid yep okay perfect there we go
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    and as long as he doesn't would have been that would have been a crazy one for the blind 75. my last bonus just took me over the 75. so 76 990 nicely done okay that one goes off to eric well played challenger scored back and forth yeah look at that 2-2 price is right winner chuck who started that i always did like that [ __ ] i don't know
    55:34
    i always did like that [ __ ] i don't know all right all i did was i looked at the results and i was 100 for me i mean i would have one word faith in the host here yeah i like it all right uh paul what is the next objective oh that's an excellent question uh objective five ooh collect a seven thousand point drop target uh i've never
    56:05
    uh i've never really heard it so i guess it's all right there on the right there on the play field it's not it's not completely obvious uh how to do it but yeah it says 7 000 when lit on the play field clearly there but okay um eric do you want to walk us through it sure um so first off this is another thing we joked about during that tournament last weekend early stern games seem to have an obsession with weird oddly numbered
    56:35
    oddly numbered kind of valuable shots like you have it like why is this shot worth seven thousand points why isn't it like five or ten like seven just seems like a very weird prime arbitrary number there's another game uh i believe it's what is it magic maybe it has in lanes that you can light for nine thousand points a piece nugent is another game where there's a nine thousand point shot it just seems very strange to me um but anyway to get the seven thousand point drop target you
    57:07
    seven thousand point drop target you have to hit the outer drop targets only and if you do that without hitting down the center drop target that light will light up and then collect the center drop target to get your 7 000 points and you can do that on either bank so i believe we are are we lighting are we collecting we are collecting okay yep so we gotta snipe our way to get the the outer drop targets down and then it'll be clear as day it'll light up that insert in front of the center drop
    57:37
    that insert in front of the center drop target and then just collect it and then just hit that drop target seems really easy barely an inconvenience we'll see what actually happens yeah i i think uh whoever wins is gonna have a little bit of luck with this one so that's all right yeah you just uh just gotta i'm thinking you get one lucky and then you kind of get get control and get that other one down so you get it lit up but yeah the hardest part is just getting it lit and then um collecting it's not too bad
    58:10
    and then um collecting it's not too bad um by the way that was nice we voted for oh okay okay i ski do you know what i i would also have voted for eric on that one for sure yeah it was a safe bet yeah wolf man do you guys even stars though wolf man welcome to the stream wolfman has been asking for a star stream for a while now so this is uh asking you receive exactly hire peanut welcome to the stream we are tied two to two right now as you can see over the the player cams to the the left and right
    58:42
    to the the left and right and it is organized like left side of the screen is me over here with my play field than my score and then uh eric's side is the the right side over over on the other side over here that's eric's playfield player and score screen as well uh i skidoo cyborg johnny hello and i ski do the current challenge is to light and collect on a 7 000 point drop target
    59:16
    oh great yeah awesome uh this one is timed can i can it connect can i do mpt 3ks count down on this go for it okay uh feel the rhythm do the thing eat the stuff and here's your bling plunge away that was perfect oh lovely yep houseball come on baby
    59:46
    come on baby back to me okay okay okay i've got one target i'm gonna go for the blue target now that work target not good at hitting down the middle targets before they're lit oh on the other hand you are uh you were just lit for um
    60:17
    just lit for um the 1000 spinner i have 7 000 lit i just sniped the hell out of it if i can hit it i've got 7 000. oh no got it yes nice work damn i wasn't even close wasn't even close who i had to pass through the trough too wow dang that's pretty impressive thank you oh look obviously i'll look at this voice wow yeah that's a pretty pretty cool uh feature for a game from
    60:50
    pretty cool uh feature for a game from 1979 like it's been a awesome like if we were to do this for you know like other games on this year i i think it'd be kind of hard to come up with all these different challenges there's just not much going on oh yeah most of you i mean imagine we were playing uh uh globetrotters i i don't know maybe maybe there's a lot more to globetrotters but it seems like there's a lot more going on with stars than there than there was with globetrotters yeah like low traders you could do uh
    61:21
    yeah like low traders you could do uh stuff like open up the right outline gate or um get a certain x bonus and um collect globe obviously would be one um yeah and then get a certain bonus thresholds uh but outside of that yeah there's not yeah like i said somebody's earlier gains it's hard but it's like once you dig into stars it's pretty cool how much it's got going on yeah and
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    cool how much it's got going on yeah and it has a great theme i feel like from it's it's silly honestly i feel like it's silly but i i hate the themes from from the late 70s and early 80s but this one has that like modal in your bedroom as a kid of like the rocket ship going through space and passing all nine planets that like rotate nicely or if you had those like glow-in-the-dark like sticky like stars like on your ceiling yep yes exactly
    62:23
    yes exactly that's what this game reminds me of there's a rocket ship right there and it looks amazing and there's a comet over here and that back glass is gorgeous i i i really dig the art on this game the same thing uh with meteor um which i think is also the same designer right the meteor stars and then uh is it nine ball was the other one ball was the other one so he did that too now who did galaxy because i was like the other like space
    62:54
    because i was like the other like space themed one that might be harry williams galaxy that's another one where i like the theme i'm not a fan of that game is that a wide body i've never it is not it's not okay it it's uh it doesn't have traditional slings it just has like these dead kind of bumpers down by the flippers but then there's like slings kind of further up on the play field that kind of send the ball across which is kind of unique and they did that on other games like flight 2000 where there's the typical slings but then they
    63:24
    there's the typical slings but then they also have these extra slangs up the play field to kind of send the ball crazy um but yeah there's it doesn't have traditional slings on galaxy it could play a little long which is kind of a turn off for me and um but yeah it's not a bad game but um yeah i definitely prefer stars or meteor to that one yeah meteor is so much fun especially you know anything that that has a spinner and then you juice the spinner so that way it's the most satisfying shot ever oh yeah absolutely that is super fun by
    63:54
    oh yeah absolutely that is super fun by the way pink ninja man welcome to the stream sorry paul it didn't mean dinner oh no i was just playing um strikes as bears earlier tonight oh nice oh speaking about other things that you were playing tonight uh paul is spending a decent amount of time at pinball jones and that's right pinball jones has the new godzilla pin what are your thoughts uh i think it's great um i i just like the way it shoots um i don't know it's obviously there's room for improvement on the code um that's at point eight right now i
    64:26
    um that's at point eight right now i think it was just surely it just came out yeah you know let's expect them to be done with the game when they try and sell it it's kind of interesting because i feel like this is the first new in box and maybe four or five releases where they weren't at 1.0 with their release like this came out this came out earlier than than the previous it's going back to maybe jurassic park i think when when we got the game at roughly like 0.7 or 0.8 on the code and it didn't have the wizard mode right yeah no there's i mean you
    64:56
    mode right yeah no there's i mean you can tell that there's uh things that they're gonna fix like whenever the magnet grabs the ball and it just holds onto the ball and then maybe sometime today it'll release the ball so i can flip and play it slows the game down a bit yeah it slows it uh very very down okay now eric have you had an opportunity to play godzilla i played a couple times at uh those wisconsin tournaments but
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    those wisconsin tournaments but i can't tell you i i know that i played it because my insider connected account says i it was late i'll just say that it was late i probably had about a hundred beers by that point how many but uh do you have i don't know if i got any that's how bad it was let me see let's see here i'm up to 12 now i just beat uh oh yeah nice um titanosaurus tonight my buddy uh
    65:59
    titanosaurus tonight my buddy uh my buddy laser lewis said that uh he's he's done with him already and he did him in the the first night so he's hoping to add more wow okay well there's a few that he hasn't gotten but he thinks it's just because they're not coded to the game yet so it's not possible got it i don't know um yeah i can't find where did i put i skidoo is commenting that the 0.8 code was dropped this evening so that just came out today and i love that it's so great and on top
    66:29
    and i love that it's so great and on top of that i think we're getting live wi-fi or wireless uh internet updates in the very near future here on on godzilla here we go yep um from what i've heard that's just an additional setting in the uh when you open the coin door there's a net uh setting there how'd you do eric two achievements nice two achievements and what's your high score right i'm curious i i played the game once and got 7.5 million so nicely done look out look
    67:01
    7.5 million so nicely done look out look out i wish i wish you had a graphic to make it look like you just logged in oh my gosh how great would that be yeah like make it look like you just logged in that would be awesome uh paul what is our next objective oh excellent question george i'm so glad you asked uh objective six here the back half of the course holy lit right spinner probably the toughest one uh right next to collect special collect special maybe okay
    67:33
    special collect special maybe okay you say that but i'm gonna struggle with prices right 75 000 again if i was a betting man like joe hill was uh joe hills was the other day with how do you get uh on mandalorian uh eric have you spent much time on mandalorian yeah i i know my way around at a decent amount i don't have a ton of time on it but i know enough i guess do you know how to uh to get to the the first uh multiball yeah
    68:03
    yeah just hit that center ramp right the same way you get to the the wizard med for the multiball exactly that was the that was kind of the joke it's it's like some number of times on the center ramp to light the first uh multiball and then some number of times to light the hurry up then some number of times it's all the same shot it's gotta be like 50 shots to get to the wizard mode i think on one shot for the entire that sounds yeah that sounds about right yeah so uh yeah same same guess that uh that joe
    68:34
    uh yeah same same guess that uh that joe made by the end of that like to get to the wizard mode you hit that middle shot that middle ramp oh yep all right george so do you know how to fully load the and and uh collect the right spinner i'm not i don't feel comfortable enough to to take the lead on this one eric can you can you walk us through how to fully load the right spinner sure uh if you kind of pay attention to my play field it's in a track mode right now once it builds the bonus ladder and lights up it
    69:04
    builds the bonus ladder and lights up it all it lights up are the stars so it's lighting up all these are spot targets around the play field and they each have a color so you have depending on how faded your inserts are you got yellow you got pink orange green and white and they each have a corresponding insert in front of the spinner and each one that's lit will add 200 points to the spinner's value i don't know what the spinner's value is completely unlit but
    69:37
    spinner's value is completely unlit but once you have them all all the stars lit it adds a thousand points to the spinner it might be 1200 spin maybe so like the other one's worth 200 a spin to start so maybe that's the same on the right and then it adds the 1000 to that but again each each target you hit it'll light up from the spinner so you basically need to hit all five targets and then hit the spinner okay which one uh which stand up would you say is the most difficult good question for me it's orange
    70:07
    good question for me it's orange um you can't backhand it every other target you can either backhand or fairly safely hit it with a forehand that's got some room for error these guys over here you can kind of get the ball like you don't even have to hit the target straight on if you hit the rubbers around it it kind of bounces the ball into it i can backhand the green one from the right flipper not the easiest shot in the world but it can be done so like any time you can hit a target from either flipper makes it a little bit easier the white one i can
    70:38
    little bit easier the white one i can get fairly good at getting on the plunge so yeah back there yeah the pop bumper if you hit it you know good on the plunge it'll get your weight right away um so you do get spotted one of them randomly on the planet so when you start the like like when you start the game no pam it gave me green i always hope to have orange so then that way i know confidently that it's not going to take me ten tries to get you know each of the rest of them um but
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    you know each of the rest of them um but again you gotta play controlled and get some lucky bounces to get the other ones lit so but yeah each ball a different star will be lit at the start of your ball okay also wolfman let's talk about rush after this objective because i'm kind of excited about rush but after this objective we'll we'll come back to that um oh i'm on ball three apparently sorry need a second i gotta restart
    71:46
    and we're good to go all right this is time based it's going to be once again uh ball then then time so if i complete it faster than you but i do it on the second ball and you do it much slower but on the first ball uh eric you will win okay okay all right i totally oh sorry we're fully loading the right spinner at the moment where i forgot what it was we were doing again okay cool do you want to count us down paul uh do you want to do the thing where the
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    where the fight thing comes from yes yes sorry let me let me try this let's battle didn't work oh it did that's right it's delayed yeah that one's totally done all right here we go three two one plunge ah all right so i think i got spotted this guy and i just hit the green up there i just realized that spinner's only ever
    72:48
    i just realized that spinner's only ever gonna be worth a thousand to give you one star off the bat that's that means the spinner's worth 200 and then you get the rest it's worth a thousand that makes more sense all right let's get that white off the plunge nope all right so i need to hit orange and yellow the two really hard to hit shots get green while you're up there i already got green oh i hit green
    73:23
    uh it does not look like it i have green oh sorry you gotta look at the stars my yeah my lights under the spinner are questionable i see okay okay all right ball one failed i wonder if we should get another poll going on how many games will this take don't light up
    74:01
    oh come on you dummy all right so now i've got orange which is nice i'm gonna go for these two side targets there oh baby oh come on fight that i i hit i hit my last target i saw a jiggle but it didn't register oh all right give me orange i do oh there we go i got orange on the plunge so let's see if i can take advantage here all right george has orange he also has green i have green orange and white
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    has green i have green orange and white two more i'm gonna try and get the one you can't hit directly you can only get off the plunge darn it you know what i'm doing it you get what no no but i i did do the uh was it a kirk pass
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    and you are uh guessing some emo explosion here george what's going on what just happened oh uh drifting a ez thank you so much for that follow all right we got it ball five ball five
    75:48
    all right my first game is dead all right i got white i just need green i just need green get over there oh no i'm getting better orange now all right looks like you have green it's like no not up there okay that's no i also need orange darn it oh baby i gotta haul it nicely done that's gonna hit the spinner oh there we go
    76:20
    oh there we go all right what ball did you do okay okay i'm on ball five game one oh my god give me that green if i can get some specials here oh he's got it yeah i think that's nicely done thank you so much uh drifton that is appreciated eric's got game number this was five right challenge this is objective number five ah uh what if it was objective
    76:52
    ah uh what if it was objective wait was it six because i i feel like we're tired again oh no i did not give myself the score the the the point for seven thousand because you got seven yeah so we should be tied again i scored nope sorry i have to give me give me one sec here because i have to give it enough of a gap it took me all that first game to find where the orange target was and i finally hit it on the first ball of the second game
    77:26
    there we go okay so one more time and now yes we should be three three so now challenger scored there we go okay it worked [Laughter] pink ninja man yeah george didn't give him the okay cool yep okay three and three neck and neck going into challenge number seven this is interesting because i have not i spent all of my time every time i do one of these battles i try to uh i try to do something new
    77:58
    try to uh i try to do something new uh where i add something to the format right and this time through it was the intro video uh it was was what i spent my my time on uh which was the um the the the intro video for uh for iron pinball like these these formats going forward so next time it's gonna be a sudden death because we always do ten different challenges but if we hit it at five and five there's gotta be something special i don't think we have actually shown the intro for iron pinball yeah we have not we could
    78:31
    iron pinball yeah we have not we could take a break at some point and i actually still have a beer and [ __ ] it's it's like a 35 second intro we'll we'll hit it yeah pink ninja man the voice commands are great um i have to work around something the next time right now the voice commands are uh are tied into the same microphone i'm using here but what i actually think i need to do is hook up to wireless and uh and set it up so that way voice commands can come through here so that way i can stop speaking and like whisper
    79:02
    way i can stop speaking and like whisper into it to initiate a voice command the voice bands are really nice though when i'm streaming by myself and i want to activate some actions that uh that would be difficult to set up on buttons or something else yeah because it doesn't it does not like my voice it's it well yeah we sound so similar it's very surprising it does not like paul's voice uh iskidoo says it would be nice if you could add a trigger word for the voice command so it will trigger without the need for a delay right like if you could use the word uh like there's zinbot
    79:34
    use the word uh like there's zinbot pinbot or google or something like that you know the ones that all the phones and all these other devices use so that way you don't have to wait for that weird delay right there before you say something uh that said eric going back to what wolfman mentioned earlier did you get to see the picture of rush uh well the one that just kind of shows like a sliver of that yeah yeah the sliver of the side of the game yeah so
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    yeah so yeah there's a few friends on another discord channel that i don't know sometimes get wind of stuff and they were some of them were fairly certain that rush was next from borg but i guess that was the first time that like somebody caught a glimpse of something like confirming it and they they did that i don't know if you saw the subsequent picture where it's been photoshopped out of it so totally photoshopped out which seems to confirm it in my mind right oh it was 100 percent they should have just left it and let people speculate i mean like maybe they
    80:36
    people speculate i mean like maybe they were worried about you know license they're getting upset but yeah i mean that 100 confirmed it okay um so knowing that russia's coming what are what are your thoughts eric i like them a lot i mean i'm not a huge rush enthusiast in that i don't celebrate their entire catalog but like you know the staples i love like they they're perfect for pinball so i'm interested to see what they do with it um i'm not going to be one to
    81:06
    i'm not going to be one to get upset if the integration and how they do it isn't perfect because again i'm not a super fan but i think they're great for pinball so every time they've been brought up for bands that haven't been done yet i think it's a fairly no-brainer in my opinion um i'm not into more of the heavy metal so people clamoring for like judas priests and like other bands that are more on the heavy metal side i'm not too much into so i'm glad that they're they're doing
    81:37
    so i'm glad that they're they're doing rush um yeah so yeah i think it's going to be super cool i mean borg has done other music pins yes he did you know metallica and aerosmith and kiss and so yeah i mean he makes some good music layouts and i know that metallica's his favorite game so you know he he definitely gets into this so yeah i'm interested to see what um what the deal is i don't know did somebody say in chat that steve
    82:07
    did somebody say in chat that steve richie started on this and left it unfinished so i wonder if it's going to be like a deadpool type thing where they redo it did they take it from where he left off or what it sounds that way if if the rumor is true i believe it was wolfman who had uh mentioned that it was this was originally a steve richie project and now it's being taken over by uh if i read correctly gomez and and borg borg okay
    82:40
    and borg borg okay yeah gomez has been jumping in on mechanics i think uh okay i always heard uh borg on it even before like like somebody mentioned in chat that see richie had started it but maybe that was you know they kind of knew a while ago that richie was leaving so they kind of like scrapped him from it but foregone i'm not sure but yeah i also remember hearing when steve richie left he said that he had what two or three different white woods yeah that was going to be a podcast with
    83:10
    yeah that was going to be a podcast with jersey jack i think right that makes sense that and something else he had already started because i do know they start that process you know usually about at least 12 to 18 months before a game comes out so sure now uh knowing that this might be kind of like a finishing somebody else coming in and trying to finish what richie did a frankenpen a frankenpen yeah that's actually a really great way of putting it paulie yeah um were either of you guys a fan of led
    83:40
    were either of you guys a fan of led zeppelin or are a fan of led zeppelin uh i i am a fan i've only played the premium and i think that's why i'm a fan uh the premium is kind of the from what i've heard from everybody and i agree with this it's the best one to get it doesn't have the weird powder coating like the le and it's got that uh side ramp you don't like the blue and red like primary color oh i love it actually i i don't i i couldn't tell you why i'm not
    84:11
    don't i i couldn't tell you why i'm not a big fan of blue and red combined together unless of course they're actually combined into purple in that case i'm a huge fan uh the blimp just the back glass for that glass board the blimp uh is just what sells it for me okay what's your thoughts on on led zeppelin eric uh so i haven't had much time on the fully loaded version my friends have the le and i've only played theirs once and they don't have the
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    they don't have the updated spinner mech yet so they're having no [ __ ] like issues with theirs so i had like a lackluster experience with theirs because their spinner kept getting borked and not sitting properly all the time but yeah i mean if anybody i'm a huge spinner fan like all the spinners in my house are juiced like you can just rip them for days so i'm probably one of the only people that got excited about this major mech coming out of the playfield with a spinner and a magnet underneath it that throws in all different directions and grabs it and you can charge up uh you
    85:13
    grabs it and you can charge up uh you know that that that those modes by hitting the spinner a bunch of times i like that kind of stuff so i agree to like i think at the end of the day i'm going to like that version more also with the side ramp um because it's just i've played the pro a decent amount and it's kind of it's satisfying because they did they do a good job of making that shot very important at times so even though it is a dead end it's very important when you nail it it's very satisfying it's kind of like the super jackpot shot on
    85:43
    on maiden you know it's right it's hard to hit but they they make you want to hit it because it's important and so it's satisfying in that the reward you get for hitting it at certain times is good so but to me i just think the rules are very unique and that's what you know kind of saves the game in my opinion because yeah you look at it and it's like yeah it's a richie it's it's fast it's a little flowy i don't think it's you know as good of a shooter as a lot of his previous games but you know still got
    86:15
    previous games but you know still got that rishi feel to it where like like once you get the shots down in they feel nice um but but i think the rules that you know um ray raymond davidson and ken sexton kind of came up with for the game are very unique so if you take the time to kind of learn them you may or may not get into it more but i think some people might get into it more but just on the base level the way that they just said okay pick a song you're going to play this song and you just hit the litch shots while the
    86:45
    you just hit the litch shots while the song's playing and that's basically how the game works on a base level and as the song goes on the shots change even if you're doing crappy in the mode the the mode's advancing without you so if you do well great but if you aren't you're not kind of in this weird jail frustration you know hey you did terrible in that phase of the mode now you're in the next phase um i like that automatic progression it also adds to the kind of stress of you know i got to do well because i know this part's about to end you know
    87:17
    this part's about to end you know and i think that's good for a music pin and easy for new players to approach like there's not all kinds of stuff you got to explain to him just pick your favorite song hit the lit shots and good things will happen um but then there's also that depth that you can get into later if you want to but again it's not much to look at so it's like game of thrones or like stranger things pro where people i think are writing it off a little too early and it might kind of pick up steam down the road once people get to
    87:47
    get to spend more time on it um not one i'm rushing to buy even though i am a big led zeppelin fan i love all their their music i've been listening to it forever you know um but yeah so it's it it's not like oh my gosh i have to have this is gonna be a keeper you know type game but it could definitely be you know one of my rotators you know have it in learn it you know kind of move it on tight games i do have fun with it yeah yeah i think it's best argument is uh i mean i've uh
    88:19
    mean i've uh i've played it a couple times in denver uh the the premium and i've uh watched laser loss play it considerably um and he usually just the second layer of uh the code i i don't pretend to know it but i know it's a lot about combos and richie is the combo king yep and that side ramp just adds to the flow it adds so much to the flow for sure so that's that's i'm sticking by the premium that's my that's
    88:49
    sticking by the premium that's my that's my favorite yeah all right i said from the beginning if you put that even though i love that spinner mech you put that side ramp on a pro like it it's just a tiny small change but would elevate it so much more sure yep yeah it's funny i'm i'm kind of excited about stern making this move where the premiums and alleys play easier or more that there's more continuity or more flow in their in their premium and less right like uh star trek made the game a
    89:19
    right like uh star trek made the game a little bit easier in the premium and le with the fact that you didn't have the variability of the saucer kick out uh you get the continuity on that on that right ramp as opposed to the kick out black knight sort of rage is uh a very good argument oh yeah yeah that game slows down traffic you can play it for days yeah you play for days without ever play field yeah yeah so i'm i'm excited for more of that i disliked avengers and how difficult it got with the marvel ramp uh edition and
    89:49
    got with the marvel ramp uh edition and and very hard yeah it it was it just there's a ton of rejects and unfortunately goes down the middle and then same thing with uh with um sorry stranger things although i am talking sufferers the same way to the one person i've ever seen stream of stranger things whose telekinesis lock doesn't fail 90 of the time i think it actually succeeds 90 of the time yeah it's it's it's frustrating and the marvel ramps the same it's a combination between set up the flippers getting tired um
    90:21
    the flippers getting tired um any shot that just needs like you know that perfect flipper power and perfect adjustment like the moment like that's when all this flipper fade you know conversation started coming to play is you just didn't have these shots over the years that um just were so dependent upon perfect flipper performance and now you do and people are starting to realize that oh hey like now i understand why like on this game after i play it forever i can no longer backhand shots as easy as i could well
    90:51
    backhand shots as easy as i could well that's because the flippers are fading and you didn't know it before but now you know um so like way back in the day there's all kinds of goofy stuff people would do at tournaments to keep those flippers cooled so you can still make shots all day a huge example is whirlwind that's side ramp if you don't have perfect upper flipper power it it's just it struggles so like people put fans inside the game so like so so people thought this whole like flipper cooling fan system was like a new idea it's not it's just
    91:22
    new idea it's not it's just not many people played games long enough to see that happening on previous games and again these newer mechanisms people are using is very temperamental on um those big steep ramps in the back of avengers it just becomes very hard to combo those after the flippers heat up a little bit um so yeah it's just a frustrating combination of set up and keeping those those coils cool i i do want to throw out i ski do by the way making references to people and
    91:53
    way making references to people and names i have no idea so yeah i ski nailed it no one knows what i'm talking about between bubbles ricky and julian are going to want this pin for sure also ricky can you have alex lyson to get it autographed i i feel like those are members of the band perhaps no no bubbles ricky and julian are from uh trailer park boards you know you guys don't watch that show i have never seen trailer park toys it's a canadian um i guess sitcom whatever you want to call it it's just about a whole bunch of
    92:24
    it it's just about a whole bunch of hillbillies that live in a trailer park in canada and then yeah like there's a there's like probably 12 13 seasons of it oh wow and yeah it's just it's just one you can get into the characters are great and yeah it's it's it's solid for sure uh iceki do did also mention i'm shipping my led you eric so you can fix my telekinesis and then send it back thanks in advance yeah yeah bring it on over i i feel so bad for people that and i don't blame them i mean it's it's a process and
    92:56
    them i mean it's it's a process and it's it's not guaranteed even you know like i've helped people when they've responded to me and said hey you know this helped a lot blah blah blah but hell even mine like i had a league over we were playing it all day and then all of a sudden it started missing you know on those magnet locks i mean i got in and found exactly what had caused it right away but yeah i mean even with mine that i spent all that time to make it work you know it's not perfect at all times you know you still got to kind of keep at it right you got to keep maintaining it last thing before
    93:27
    it last thing before before we get moved on to the uh to the next objective i skidoo says that uh trailer park boys is a prequel to letter kenny it is it is i mean well not not technically but it's like it's canadian low budget sitcom okay okay they're they're they're very similar in their genre and target exactly okay yeah okay yes i need to check that out then okay i've heard about that multiple times and i haven't seen it okay yeah letter kenny is is awesome so knowing that they're similar now i've got to go the other direction
    93:58
    now i've got to go the other direction and check out the other points yeah yeah okay all right so we need uh something to cover up your score this time right oh that's right yeah okay yeah yeah let's do it okay i gotta go find something oh you know what actually let's show a tpn commercial uh while we're figuring this out and at the same time i have to use the bathroom so bad right now i have to drink two beers okay so multiple bathroom breaks guys we will be back in roughly about two minutes or so and we'll find a way to
    94:29
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    [Music] you asked and we listened each tpn pinball pudding package is packed with our special ingredient the proof is truly in the pudding welcome back i i just made it in time and i got a towel over the score so this should work eric how you doing i uh we actually did a
    97:29
    i uh we actually did a fun thing after our pinball league where have you guys heard of the critical hit parts for pinball yes no yes i have so there are decks of cards that carl d'angelo made if you're familiar with him he's ie pinball on twitch um basically it's a variant to pinball tournaments where you give everyone a you know a handful of cards and they all have different abilities one of them is you can play it on someone's game
    97:59
    someone's game and they have to cover the scores for the whole game and you play and then however the scores fall they fall but i have these perfectly sized um moving blankets that just kind of drape over the back of the back box and cover the whole thing perfectly without being too bulky and yeah so it just reminded me of that when i was covering this up so okay yeah george has got something similar guys totally similar perfectly sized it happens to also be a beach towel you would love critical hit it's like mixing
    98:30
    would love critical hit it's like mixing d and d with pinball oh my gosh yeah so it's it's cards and it's just going to be super chaotic though so don't expect just because yes you run the round everybody's in groups playing games and then people play cards and say hey i don't want to be in this group put me in another group or bring a random player into our group and kick this person out because they always come oh that's awesome yeah you can at the end of the round you can say i play this card i get one more ball in this game because let's say you're
    99:01
    this game because let's say you're really close to winning you can say boom i i get one more ball to add to my score or um i get to swap scores with you or like if you're playing a strikes match scores yeah i'm allowed to i'm allowed to block a strike for this round no matter what like that kind of thing so so is there some sort of a level up aspect to it or is it or the card card distribution is it random i think it's just random the card and the rules are fairly uh here's a deck of them um the rules are fairly
    99:32
    the rules are fairly loose in that you can kind of like adapt the game however you want to yeah but he does have a google doc that anybody can look at to see what his original rules for the the decks are supposed to use and um so basically what i do is you pass out a handful to everybody to start with and then let's say you're doing a strikes tournament so it's bad if you get a strike obviously um but if you get a strike on a game you also get to pick a new card from the pile oh
    100:03
    get to pick a new card from the pile oh um okay so the people that are doing worse are also building their hand but like we played recently there's a card you can play where you switch your hand with somebody else nice so if you see somebody sitting there with a ton of cards you're like [ __ ] i want that and you only have one maybe because you played some you can swap with them and now you get all these extra cards even though you could be doing well in the tournament so that's a big one to have but anyway it's pretty fun all right so we can't see the score as close to 75 000 without going over
    100:36
    close to 75 000 without going over all right uh we might lift your towel up just a touch here by the way my talent that's fine okay it's fine close enough all right you want to get your fight graphic up on the oh the screen let's battle fight you want to count us down absolutely uh here we go guys three two one plunge
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    i think it's been a little minute since we mentioned it uh the goal here uh chat is to get as close to 75 000 without going over and this time our uh competitors are playing blind here they go very blessed to kind of get a feel for what their score is or just keep a very good track of what's going on but i mean try and keep track of how many spins you get every time you rip the spinner
    101:48
    i might be on all four or five already and i have nowhere near 75 000 i guarantee it i'm on ball two and i'm guessing i have 20 or 30 at this point yeah you got a pretty good spinner rip but i'm not sure he had at least once it was just looking up wow yeah oh it breaks on the drop targets also i do suggest skipping seasons one of two uh one and two of trailer park boys well that sucks i mean it's like if
    102:21
    boys well that sucks i mean it's like if if you like low budget stuff it's extremely low budget early on um and i can't i can't quote specific things from the first couple seasons but uh but yeah it's extremely low budget for the first little bit there so okay once they got picked five i think i might be on ball five as well i definitely don't care at all about where i'm at right now
    102:52
    where i'm at right now because i knew i had plenty of room but yeah george might be over who knows i could be over i had a pretty good ball all right i won't reveal mine but i'm definitely under i i might be at 30 35 well i'm glad you mentioned uh critical hit eric i i really kind of in love with the different ways of playing pinball that carl comes up with um my favorite one i'm a little biased uh
    103:32
    specifically for walking dead and uh the the loser has to pla pay the winner here's the reveal oh oh you're in deep doo-doo because i like i said i was guesting my thirsty nicely done nicely done better be lucky than good sometimes i guess challenger scored
    104:05
    challenger scored all right challenger takes the lead i think what 4-3 4-3 looking good it's also 10 45 we've got uh 15 minutes here uh before our scheduled end and i know uh you're in east uh uh est or eastern time is that right eric yes sir yes sir so we don't want to keep you much later than uh then one o'clock a.m i have a very mindless day of work tomorrow so it's yeah it's no big deal at all so okay cool um
    104:35
    at all so okay cool um in that case paul what is our next objective well that's an excellent question george uh objective number eight is high score again high score okay i'm feeling better about a high score game now at the very least yeah our first high score uh challenge uh went fairly fairly quickly it did yeah so now yeah like yeah like how we split that up especially for you george if you haven't had as much time on this game i feel like in that span from the first game to
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    like in that span from the first game to now you kind of have more of an idea of what you wanna i actually have a thing yeah i'm not just trying to survive now i'm like well i guess i'm gonna hit those targets over there and light that spinner or might go over here hit the banks and get the bonus lit yeah in fact i'm going bonus first i feel like that's my that's my go-to right now uh this is not a timed challenge so we can start whenever we like all right and uh good
    105:45
    luck have you heard of uh walker dollars before george what is it playing walker dollar games no what is a walker dollar well if you've heard of dollar games right yes where everyone uh you know you might have a hopefully you have a group of three or four everybody puts a dollar in the coin door and uh whoever comes out on top uh with walker dollars it is played on the walking dead and uh the spot is based on uh you're not really going for score
    106:17
    uh you're not really going for score anymore you're going for number of walker kills oh that's cool and the the kicker is is that the whoever the immediate loser is has to pay the immediate winner the difference in walker kills in dollars wow okay that seems like that could actually get a little on the expensive side yeah uh i know that's crazy
    106:47
    and i've suggested it to a few people and nobody wants to no what do you want i will definitely play that nobody wants to play against that's great until you say okay well what if we like reduce it down to quarters like instead of a dollar for the difference you could totally do that let's cut it at the knees um and make it not so intense but uh it's the immediate winner pays the the difference to uh or sorry the immediate loser is the difference to the immediate winner so if you're second place
    107:17
    if you're second place uh by or let's say you're you're player three and there's a huge gap uh between player one and two uh it's kind of in your best interest to get just under that next player because then you only owe them one dollar whereas they owe the next player more like 20. it's kind of hard to explain i don't know if i gave it just oh yeah no i
    107:48
    know if i gave it just oh yeah no i yeah that's definitely cool and like you said you can adjust it so yeah if you want to do quarters for the dollars that's what you need to do yeah most most of the players around here are uh they like their money so it's more like or potato chips maybe we'll play for jesus oh i should have tried i'm 115k through two balls oh my god i'm on ball
    108:19
    through two balls oh my god i'm on ball four at seventy four and thought about well i got my i got my first my first shitty one too okay 117 through three so what's your strategy this time george load up that spinner that's what i'm i would love to load up the spinner it's also kind of hard oh god
    108:50
    i love how you guys uh also both have different um colored rubbers it's very uh that came out wrong oh marv welcome to the stream how you doing the comeback wolf man it's for real this is this is where it's happening but no uh george is in the red shorts and eric's in the blue it's kind of cool
    109:21
    eric's in the blue it's kind of cool get up there can i hit that orange shot no i cannot nope that is game you sir have this one 91 000. dalton wants to do a tap pass what to do next game next game it is red versus blue yeah exactly oh i
    109:52
    it is red versus blue yeah exactly oh i had my 7 000 drop target lit but didn't collect it challenger scored uh oh all right eric here yeah yeah eric's got two on me here all right what is our eighth objective nope that was 89 george you have to get both of these to tie oh nice all right collect special this one this is the this is the thing eric can
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    this is the this is the thing eric can you walk us through this sure there's two ways to collect special on stars i'm not quite sure how george's is set up it sounds like the last owner gave his game a lot of love so i assume they set it up right but either way you can collect special whether it's worth 100k or not anyway the good way to have special setup is make sure your game is set to award 100 000 points for each special collective you can do that two ways um you can collect all five stars we talked about
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    collect all five stars we talked about that earlier that juice is the right spinner but it also lights one of the five stars targets for special the big red insert right next to where the star is only one will be lit and it will travel via the spinners you'll see if you rip a spinner the the red light will kind of travel around the play field or each time you hit a bonus advance which it will move that red light to a different target so
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    different target so if you're trapped up and special is lit and you want to move it somewhere else you can either hit the spinner or strategically hit another target or something that advances bonus to get it to a different spot that you're more comfortable with trying to collect um coolest thing about special when you collect it for 100 000 there's only one chime in the chime box that's never used except for one instance and that's when you collect special it it claps the the 10 000 chime 10 times in a row and it sounds awesome it's a real deep
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    and it sounds awesome it's a real deep sound and like i said it only gets used for collecting special okay the other way to collect special is to drop targets so you have to hit down you have to get double business you have to get triple bonus and then you have to hit the set of six drop targets down two more times i believe um it doesn't happen often but you can do that so just keep that in your back pocket or if you notice holy [ __ ] i put down a bunch of drop targets so your special light in front of the drop target's red and if that's lit up the
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    target's red and if that's lit up the next set you knock down and every set after that will be worth a hundred thousand points wow so that's the thing too is if you're hitting that red target there's not just one after you collect one you it'll go to a different one and you can just keep collecting it so the reason why my high score is 8.65 on here is because i collected three or four of those on on one ball um yeah so it's pretty sweet if you can get that going okay whoo this seems like it's going to
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    okay whoo this seems like it's going to be tough so are you going drop targets then eric or are you definitely going to start okay i'm definitely going stars and then if the drop targets just kind of happen and i get close then i might switch but i always start with doing the stars because if you think about it you only need to make four shots to light it five shots to collect it could take 20 shots to get all those drop targets down okay ooh dalton dropping 75 bits dalton you're amazing my hat's off to you yeah
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    you're amazing my hat's off to you yeah yeah oh but those are for eric [Laughter] well that's all right you can give me that like 30 or 40 cents whatever that amounts to later are you gonna be at expo eric i am not i'm uh i'm i have too much work going on this year but i hope to be back next year okay all right guys let's do this this one is timed right it's the first one to get there but the same situation if you do it on an earlier ball than the other
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    it on an earlier ball than the other person you'll uh you you win and dalton is going to be at expo okay cool awesome belton's gonna win the uh the big tournament there so i look forward to seeing that okay wait is the big tournament the uh it was the one that you actually got me to join it was the the olympics the pinball olympics oh that's that's just a sidebar on saturday to take a break and leave and that's awesome like that's incredible but the big tournament i'm talking about is run by trent augenstein
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    talking about is run by trent augenstein from tilt amusements he has this giant bracket and people play in it all weekend so it's it's pretty sweet okay awesome you want to count us down did you want your fight graphic no fight i do love that fight graphic all right now do you want to count us down yeah absolutely all right here we go three two one plunge
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    all right there's there's one i got one light oh i hit that i'm good okay okay we're cool we're cool ball one's done we're on the ball too i did not get there uh eric beat you to to ball too you got to baltimore oh i'm on yeah i'm on
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    yeah i'm on i'm on ball three you're gonna need that you're gonna need to step up the second to get to my level why yeah why isn't that a challenge george gets a ball too who can get to ball too faster i need orange all right so i've got that one i need an orange orange is such a hard one to hit oh okay i got orange on the
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    oh okay i got orange on the on the plug if i can do some work here got it all right i'm on game two i think i have them all lit oh my god all right that's fine that's fine we're good we're good we're good we can do it
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    good we're good we're good we can do it again oh it gave me orange off the plunge this is the one that was there's one you got to take advantage damn i'm not house all right i got orange on this plunge too i'm on a ball three two uh yeah dalton you're gonna see all sorts of cool saves on on this oh my god it's great all right it's cool it's cool i got white i wasted my orange
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    i wasted my orange that's what's kind of cool about putting this on fireball so you kind of you'll experience getting like basically all the stars at some point no i'm already on all five of game two eric is uh is stars typically played uh as a three ball game or five because i've kind of three because people are too strict with the whole um
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    um if it's not an em if it doesn't have manual reels you put it on three balls okay give us digital scoring did you get it no it was lit it was an easy one it was on green oh [ __ ] um but as i've become more experienced as a tournament director all i've heard about is how long a game takes
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    about is how long a game takes i don't care when it was made i don't care what uh the prediction is if the game if a four-player match of pinball takes 12 minutes or less that's way too fast way too hard and that's what was happening with my stars so i turned it to five ball now it's taking 20 to 25 just like all the other games are so your tournament rounds only go as fast as your slowest game so sure
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    fast as your slowest game so sure if your slowest game takes 25 minutes why wouldn't you want every game to take that long you know it's totally less to make a game go that fast when it's when you're just waiting and frustrating the player so yeah yeah i based it on how long game takes not when it was made this game is good i'm like i'm about to finish game three right here i think it's an excellent point i i run a a lot of our local uh events here um like nothing
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    uh events here um like nothing quite as big as uh cincinnati or anything like that um or local enthusiasts um yeah and uh yeah we for example we uh i don't think there's a whole lot of events that you're gonna find games like simpsons or lo lord of the rings just because they're long players they're long players and if you make them hard you have to make them too hard and it frustrates players so you just might as well not use them
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    might as well not use them yeah and what's the point of playing it's not you know fun the stomach's yeah the lord of the rings i played at at pendleton i got less than a million points on it that's how hard they have to look how hard they have to set it up and it's just not fun damn it i'm
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    i got two oh and it gave me orange okay white oh come on dalton's getting uh pin clash vibes or actually it's more like okay we just need green we just need green that is a doable shot from the flipper i have got it oh no i i hit i hit green welcome to pinball don't always register there we go i got it uh i don't have
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    uh i don't have there we go oh and it's green again for the special let's do it oh get it hit it you'll hear that sound it'll be the it moved now it's on the white shot darn it oh my god i hit that green
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    oh my god i hit that green so perfectly very nice there george sorry oh no i said uh oh shoot it it moved again oh there it is it's right here i can hit this shot got it yes you got it i got it nice work i didn't even come close and i was on like my fifth game it definitely did not give me a hundred thousand points though
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    give me a hundred thousand points though no we need to change the setting we need to change the setting to give you a hundred thousand more feeling than getting it free it's basically like the games like wizard mode slash jackpot like it's so awesome it's awesome dalton i got the clunk it definitely when i hit that shot it it uh it slaps something in the in the head yeah george got the knocker uh knocker there you go because his uh his game is like i said it should be uh it should be a real deep tune on the chime box it's the only time that that singular chime is used
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    that that singular chime is used okay so yeah when you switch it to points it'll it'll do that oh did it award me a free game it did probably yes that's why the knocker went off instead of okay yeah so that's totally lame that is very loud so i need to go in there yeah dude that makes the game it's sweet okay yeah absolutely there's uh george has been asking me if i'll uh help him replace his no no no i don't want you to help me i just want you to do it help him out by doing all of the
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    do it help him out by doing all of the work and and well uh so yeah if you need to know like just go on internet pinball database and the manual is on there just find where you know you need to change the and if you can't find it let me know i'll i'll find it for you and send you a screenshot or something okay uh i scored all right dalton see you man okay so it's coming down to the last one right last one yeah to tie i gotta hold my lead here
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    i gotta hold my lead here we're not gonna let you score no no yeah what what's that here i scored no it didn't work again sorry you have to give it like a full two second delay it's kind of heard and say i scored that hold on dude that was me yeah george is getting a voice command to get out oh sorry okay yeah i scored there it goes okay cool four to five the last it's it's really cool right up
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    the last it's it's really cool right up until until you actually have to say it and and i didn't do it right i need a second microphone that that's hooked up just to that so that way it's not triggered by you guys as well well uh in truth the uh the command worked fine before and then george made it worse because he just likes to brag right i i purposefully kept saying it too quickly so i could just keep saying i scored i scored i scored a bunch yeah uh janelle welcome to the
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    a bunch yeah uh janelle welcome to the stream the mic sound is giving me 1980s movie feels i.e top gun return of the jedi love thank you and uh by the way uh dalton left dalton have a great night thank you so much for uh for hanging out and this is it the grand finale i have the opportunity to tie or to lose paul what is our last objective oh excellent question georgia objective 10 is max bonus oh okay eric i'm gonna need you to explain this
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    eric i'm gonna need you to explain this one because i am clueless as to how to achieve this okay so there's a bonus ladder in the middle of the play field if you look at my game it's kind of counting up so it starts at 1000 um it actually starts at zero bonus once you hit a bonus advance it'll advance you to one various features on the game will advance the bonus any star target that we've learned to shoot all game will advance bonus there are two button rollovers one in
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    there are two button rollovers one in the middle of the play field here one at the top of the play field by the top pop bumper but the trick is there every other bonus advance it will turn the light underneath that on and off so it won't always advance your bonus so if it's unlit and you roll over it it will light it and then if it's lit it'll advance bonus and then turn off so i think it's so that you can't have that pop bumper just keep hitting that target and then keep advancing your best but again you want to aim for stars you want to
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    you want to aim for stars you want to aim for the button rollovers also down below your lanes whichever lane it alternates between the outlanes and the inlanes whichever one's lit and that will advance your bonus as well so shots in this in order to grab your bonus that way absolutely okay yeah yeah yeah you totally can um and i believe the maximum bonus is 19 so it'll advance to 10 10 will 10's light will stay on and then it'll start going up the ladder again
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    it'll start going up the ladder again until it gets to nine and then you're done okay so this is one five ball game and it's our it's our biggest bonus i'm guessing during that five ball game or is the goal to get to 19 um that's a good question i think 19 is a pretty stiff task i would say it's equally as hard if not harder than doing the collect special okay um so it's up to you i mean i'm fine with
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    it's up to you i mean i'm fine with doing either you know we play a five ball game and whoever gets you know the highest bonus the highest bonus um i i i guess we'll say unmultiplied because you know right you could double and triple it right because the point of this i think is to learn advancing the bonus and doing that as efficiently as you can so um yeah so we'll it's really easy just pay attention to the the center play field lights and and try and call it out too okay um like as you play like oh i just got x on that ball or i got by on that ball so
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    ball or i got by on that ball so yeah we'll just let's just do that for a five ball game and then whoever is able to build that bonus ladder up the most unmultiplied we'll take it okay sounds good five ball here we go uh and this is not timed again right this is yeah this is just you play at whatever speed you want yep let's battle do it fight all right
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    so that's the bonus to beat right now ah damn my pointers are leaving me i'm at four okay so hitting that star all of the stars will advance any star yep i'm at 6 000 oh i'm at 10. nice oh nope i'm at 11 000.
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    uh can you hit an already lit star to continue advancing it yes okay apparently 12 000 is my max so far
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    i'm at 7 000 already i'm gonna try yeah lovely oh that was cool so how do i get it to light to to light the inlane one um one more time each time you advance i'm at 12 000 right now what's the 12 all right 12 zipping all right i'm at 13. oh i'm at 16. all right oh look at that rip i'm at 10 000 right
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    oh look at that rip i'm at 10 000 right now let's see if i can chats 17 is what i got on that ball uh george is at 11. 12. i'm at 12 and you said you made it to 17 on that ball yes sir you got that
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    yes sir you got that that works too that'll work i'm at 15. oh yeah [Laughter] this is a cool challenge this is a really cool challenge i'm at 17. oh i'm at 18. know what yep all right all right i'm at 19. i maxed it dang all right i i'm down to my last ball to get 19. okay george now can you get uh you're at double bonus yeah that
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    get uh you're at double bonus yeah that could be a tie breaker i guess you can crank to go double you're you're you already have double can you increase it to triple bonds oh shoot does it go from right to oh i have to tap pass janelle have a great night gonna try and
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    janelle have a great night gonna try and get a full night's sleep hope you all do too thank you for the uh for the helpful reminder nope i drained it nice work we're tied we are tied yes is this your first sudden death this is my first sudden death yeah and i don't
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    my first sudden death yeah and i don't have the i don't have the graphic and the setup for it oh i scored all right here we are five and five going into sudden death now eric we did talk about this as a potential eventuality uh and do you remember we came up with one of two different options do you have a preference as to either uh you can't trap up in high score game or it was play one-handed high score
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    or it was play one-handed high score game for one-handed but since you came back on me i'll let you i'll let you call it okay uh i'm gonna go i i am not good at one-handed gameplay i don't know why i always forget that i can move my hand so i'm gonna go with on-the-fly game play no trapping up okay sounds good okay i'm gonna restart the game here this is it this is what it comes down to 5v5 going into it
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    going into it and this is the really weird match standard high score all five balls i have lost every high score game that we've played all right just kind of honor system here but yeah no traffic no traffic uh also not timed but paul do you wanna you wanna you wanna count us down regardless anyways sure okay absolutely here we go uh three two one plunge
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    one plunge eric good luck good luck man this is really fun gotta remember not to trap up oh no okay that's fine solid ball one loving where the game's head is at just imagine i got no hole flippers going on flies right oh no now george if you haven't won any high score challenges but you've won the more
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    score challenges but you've won the more complex ones like highest bonus or just go for those objectives don't do that yeah it'll help you get off not good your two balls
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    oh man there goes ball three i have just barely cleared twenty thousand how is uh eric doing oh good okay i'm at 36 through three balls okay yep oh no be a friend this is it this is it ball five george is currently at uh dummy put it in pers
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    no you got it yeah eric you got it man i could not get anything going excellent game excellent that was great out pump challenger scored came down to the wire came down to the wire that was that was awesome and on top of that this game stars is just such a great competitive game i don't know that's why people uh people get it for cheap and especially if they play a lot of
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    especially if they play a lot of tournaments or run a lot of tournaments like me like i mean my game is pretty dumpy like the first time i turned over the playfield in this thing like half the inserts fell out like i mean it just but it plays great i mean somebody i mean the cabinet looks like hell my back glass isn't that great but like i'll probably never sell i mean like this game's just too much fun it is a lot of fun and and it's weird the uh steve kirk so back at this time did the playfield designer also do the do the rule set or was that usually broke up
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    rule set or was that usually broke up between multiple people like it is today that's a good question um you typically only see like designer on these games you it might be best to look at pinball database and see what that says yeah um say it was between two different people two different okay well while you guys are talking yeah because the layout's cool it's a nice setup obviously the art on this is fantastic i was talking about that earlier but the the fact that that that somebody came up with this rule set in
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    somebody came up with this rule set in the late 70s i think it was 1979 uh yep 79. serif says it's probably enough i know evelyn likes this game so yeah um no it's um yeah that's i i think it just kind of like until the rule sets got a little bit more complex you didn't really see people even wondering who did the rules you know because it was kind of like they had a lot of rinse and repeat stuff and you know they just kind of like
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    and you know they just kind of like would combine certain rules in different ways and yeah so it's kind of more of a a modern game type thing where you wonder okay who was designer who was coder kind of thing right uh it's all steve uh art by uh george um obregon obregon and then steve did the layout and the rules it just says designer okay that's how it is according to ipbd that's hard to say um ipdb i yeah that one
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    um ipdb i yeah that one i internet database uh chaotic texas by the way uh sponsored by bush bush latte that was fun to watch i'm glad you enjoyed it oh bush light got it that's awesome yeah i i keep it classy down here in kentucky so again well uh eric thank you so much for hanging out tonight i know it's late by you uh and thank you for kicking my butt and then also explaining to me how to
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    and then also explaining to me how to play the game and hopefully to everybody else if you were unfamiliar with it i now know so much more about the game yeah i think that was a good way to learn the game too we we kind of hit everything the game has to offer and yeah and as a player concentrating on a specific aspect really helps you i think determine okay what's my best path to kind of attack this game right uh captain spam also a little upset geez where were these people playing pinball when i lived in central
    138:48
    playing pinball when i lived in central kentucky so yeah come back man we're here in droves now oh uh it looks like ice allen mcneil if you go further down the ipdb well that is hard to say really quickly ipdb page ipdb yeah so i uh we're throwing out there uh eric does have an amazing stranger things ali i don't know when it's gonna happen because next week is
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    because next week is uh next week is expo but at some point eric i do want to challenge you on stranger things because i feel fairly confident on uh on stranger things i think that that would be a really good battle chaotic no that no that'd be fun um yeah just let me know we're working out of time uh yeah so yeah and now we've got all the tech set up right that makes it so much easier on the way i'm sorry you got a brand new follower oh i got a brand new follower that was oh chaotic thank you so much my hat's
    139:48
    oh chaotic thank you so much my hat's off to you for that follow welcome to uh the stream i don't really kind of feel like i talk myself into a car awesome eric have yourself a great night paul thank you so much for commentating and hanging out uh eric streams uh on the reg under the straight down the middle heading right uh is that sdtm yep sdtm pinball like i said not too much on the regular anymore but if
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    too much on the regular anymore but if you like tutorials you like gameplay videos um hop over onto my chuck work on youtube channel that's where i kind of save all my videos in case you miss them if you like tuning into tournament streams make sure you check out cincinnati at the end of the year it's the first weekend in december and we'll be streaming from uh from straight down the middle's channel on twitch there so awesome and uh paul you're also uh working on streaming from was it is it bumper nugget yeah yeah uh bumper nugget is my
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    nugget yeah yeah uh bumper nugget is my twitch username and uh tomorrow you can find me uh probably around noon i will be uh streaming for the first time from location uh at pinball jones we have a total of 35 games in house right now so it'll probably be godzilla most likely but um that seems like a good start yeah kind of just depends on oh yeah on uh a few other factors of course but uh my rig is not wireless but it is
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    rig is not wireless but it is mobile so we'll see how difficult it is to jump around and probably get about five hours or so of time there oh yeah thanks for doing that it's not easy but thanks for doing it yeah yeah on location streaming is tough well thank you both so much uh we're gonna end on a commercial we'll go uh pass on uh this uh all of this love in a raid and uh we'll see you guys not next week on my channel expo is happening not planning on streaming it'll be the week after i'm sure there will be plenty of
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