INDISC 2019 - High Stakes Playoffs - Semifinals

IE Pinball·video·2h 6m·analyzed·Apr 28, 2020

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TL;DR

INDISC 2019 High Stakes Semifinals: Live Jackpot tournament play with expert commentary.

Summary

INDISC 2019 High Stakes Playoffs Semifinals coverage of competitive pinball tournament play on Jackpot, featuring live commentary from experienced players and officials discussing game rules, strategy, and player performance. Multiple elite players including Raymond Davidson compete across multiple balls with detailed analysis of multiball modes, casino run mechanics, and scoring strategies.

Key Claims

Specials on Jackpot were set to worth 1 million points instead of the standard 500 million to reduce swing impact when some players get specials and others don't
high confidence · Commentary during Jason's first ball explaining special tournament settings modification
Paragon was a last-minute addition to the High Stakes tournament that had to be pulled after organizers tried for days to get it working
high confidence · Booth discussion about game selection; speaker confirms 'unfortunately yes' when asked if Paragon was a last-minute addition
The right flipper on Jackpot lights the saucer
high confidence · Booth commentator corrected during gameplay: 'The right flipper lights the saucer I did not know that'
You can control which casino game (roulette, keno, etc.) you play by cradling the ball and choosing, with keno being preferred as the last game because more cards have typically been collected by that point
high confidence · Multiple booth commentators discussing strategy: 'you can cradle up and actually choose which game to play you want to do roulette last because you can set your cheat'
Cheating on the first casino run shot is always worth doing because you'll always get at least one cheat during the casino run anyway
high confidence · Booth discussion correcting players about optimal cheat strategy: 'you're always gonna get at least one cheat during this'
Eight people qualified for the High Stakes finals with two groups of players, with top two from each group advancing in 1-0 scoring format
high confidence · Opening commentary: 'it'll be three The Games top two will advance or 1-0 scoring similar to how we had before'
Raymond Davidson made it to the finals in the Classics division the previous night but was fatigued going into this tournament
high confidence · Booth discussion about Raymond's performance: 'he got caught last night he was playing classics made it to the finals I think and didn't have time to he had one ticket'

Notable Quotes

“The right flipper lights the saucer I did not know that. I am I will become a better pinball player the more I spend in the commentating booth with better pinball players correcting me about everything I say”
Booth commentator @ mid-broadcast — Self-aware acknowledgment of learning game rules during live commentary; reflects competitive depth of Jackpot
“you can cradle up and actually choose which game to play you want to do roulette last because you can set your cheat it's every fourth fourth or fifth”
Booth commentator @ during David's ball — Explanation of advanced casino run strategy mechanic that allows player agency in mode selection
“specials are worth nothing on this on the settings here sometimes they're worth 500 you know what just take it who knows what silliness could happen”
Booth commentator @ during Jason's casino run — Highlights tournament-specific rule modifications designed to balance gameplay
“trying to secure two points on Raymond you know with Raymond you expect him to come back but I think Raymond's gonna be it'll be a Last year first thing for Raymond like he's gonna have to survive some early stuff but if he gets rolling”
Booth commentator @ late in broadcast — Assessment of Raymond Davidson's competitive pattern and comeback potential
“it's really easy to not score points and yet at the same time it's like you know how many shots is it to casino run it's I think it's nine because the last one you don't have to put it back on there”
Booth commentator @ early commentary — Explanation of Jackpot's all-or-nothing scoring dynamic and casino run accessibility

Entities

Raymond Davidsonperson Jasonperson Dave StewartpersonDoug TealpersonOscar H. RaypersonMegan SpraguepersonKyleperson

Signals

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event_signal: Live broadcast coverage of INDISC 2019 High Stakes Semifinals with detailed commentary on competitive gameplay
high · Full-length video broadcast of tournament playoff matches with multiple commentators and real-time scoring
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competitive_signal: Assessment of elite players including Raymond Davidson and their competitive patterns, skill execution, and tournament fatigue
high · Discussion of Raymond's comeback potential, player-specific shot execution styles, and performance analysis across multiple balls
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design_philosophy: Tournament organizers implemented special settings on Jackpot (1 million point specials instead of 500M) to reduce luck-based swing impact in competitive play
high · Explicit statement: 'we made specials worth noting so that when someone gets a special in a casino run and someone else doesn't it's not so painful'
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gameplay_signal: Extensive booth commentary reveals deep strategic layers in Jackpot including visor lock short-plunging, casino game selection order, cheat timing, and multiball execution
high · Multiple detailed strategy explanations: visor locking mechanics, keno vs roulette ordering, cheat application timing, multiball shot selection
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event_signal: Paragon was selected for High Stakes but had to be pulled last-minute after failed technical troubleshooting attempts by organizers
high · Booth discussion: 'Paragon was a last-minute addition wasn't it unfortunately yes it was... high speed Jim tried for days and he thought he had down and just was not meant to be'

Topics

Competitive tournament play and strategyprimaryJackpot machine gameplay mechanics and rulesprimaryMultiball and casino run mode strategyprimaryTournament rule modifications and settingsprimaryLive tournament coverage and commentaryprimaryPlayer performance analysis and meta discussionsecondaryTournament operations and technical issuessecondaryPinball machine design and history referencessecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.75)— Enthusiastic and engaging tournament coverage with respect for player skill and friendly, collaborative booth atmosphere. Some frustration about technical scoring issues and game difficulty, but overall celebratory tone about competitive play and community participation.

Transcript

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[Music] Oh [Music] oh what a lot come whether oh it's credible save his form in life right here on ball three so it looks like this is game 2 King one of three Jason is stepping up to jackpot are there eight people in the finals for high stakes two groups it'll be three games top two will advance or to 1-0 scoring similar to how we had before and so here we go Jason opens up his visor gets ball quick ball lock this is exactly how you want to approach this game generally speaking you will see players try to adjust this quick multiball all right Carl's gonna join me oh my gosh oh gosh it's love yeah karl is gonna join me in the booth he's been running this running the tournament helping us out doing everything doing everything ever it's been a hectic weekend I'll tell you that you can hear my voice I think it's gonna what's that behind me all right it looks like we're gonna have Megan joining us in the booth so I have some Canadian representation here in the booth all right Megan when introduce yourself my name is Megan Sprague I am from Ottawa Ontario Canada all right so we have a Jason playing ball one here on jackpot he's got the visor open here we go multiball now this is the one game I didn't play on my card for the high stakes this is that one of the three games I wished I didn't play on my card in the high stakes so objective cheering multiball get the ball back into those visors cash those jackpots you know 14 more of those and he'll get a mega visor jackpot and to shoot it under the ramp we're relighting on the side there there we go real it's the jackpots Irish like Ashley the last jackpot shooting it up into the saucer to relight his jackpots oh so there's still one in the visor there we're just pulling up the score bit scores here great to have J on here earlier talking about score bit explaining the system to us and tilted but that's much alright so special settings on this jackpot one thing we did was we made specials worth noting so that when someone gets a special in casino run and someone else doesn't it's not so painful and say you know 500 million it's a massive nice massive change so a million billion points is a good start that's not right score bid is not yeah that's sinking right so it's 497 ignore the score bit scores for now we've got J on it J is looking at it all right so typical approach as a player will step up to this game is to try to sure plunge up here without hitting any switches and getting control you can see up in this section there is a strobing light if you hit the target corresponding to the row or column you will drop the visor in one shot and give yourself an opportunity to lock for the two ball multiball I expect to see most players taking that approach let's go but is this actually have a ball save apparently it does I didn't I didn't play any high stakes though yeah I played one entry so I don't know a lot about it yeah and I'm not terribly familiar with the game so I can't contribute too much gameplay commentary since you didn't manage to drop the visor I think heading towards casino run here hitting this saucer up here makes sense especially if you're on the right flipper if you're on the left you might want to take a bank shot to try to cash off some of those values he's now made some pretty good progress towards dropping the visors but Karl is doing a lot of things here yeah alright so and if you're curious about the prize pool it is listed on the website now after never drains calm slash 2019 the high-stakes prize pool is just about what it showed on the screen all the other price bullets were rounded mostly up I believe we had some some additional funds that weren't listed at there was on from sponsors ships and other such things this is Dave Stewart stepping up player three ball one on the high stakes final this is game wire semifinals re so it he hasn't qualified his play field yet he'll wait and he'll try to probably pick up the lookk yellow one no he likes the middle okay now it's hard to see from here oh it looks like there was a rubber on that post so it goes down the middle you do that you might get a bounce off up there so he's got one one visor lock again we'll try to not qualify the playfield so that he can get control on the flipper and then immediately try to go into that multiball go so you can see their eye on the right there we go so multi balls again and multiball try to hit the eyes and under the ramp for jackpots and relight at the saucer super jackpot by getting both involved in both sockets yes give us a small amount of time there at this point you need to say the switch that isn't the visor to get it to go back up and then try to be able to drop it in one it's good to get back under control and recover just take a second after that multiball did get the visor open now so well we'll be open next ball then player four is raymond davidson for david ravenson has come to be known yes as Raymond Ashby did that and uh in Vegas hilarious constantly over and over and over all right so yeah he'll try to show up lunch here get control over the ball perfectly nice little nudge to save that on the side oh that's amazing he gets the ball locked now I don't see any visible balls save indicator is it just because he hadn't to qualify the playfield that he yes there won't be a ball save on this but on all of your plunges out of the lane if you haven't called them qualified to play field you'll get the ball back that's why everyone's trying to shore plunge it they make it look incredibly easy the springs on these jackpots tend to be incredibly stiff Springs on purpose on purpose to prevent people from being able to exploit this and I have the toughest time trying to actually do this and I'm amazed when players actually can I I almost think it's easier just to deal with the pops I'd rather deal with the pops from getting the vortex than to miss the qualify attempt but any game where you can start a multiball without qualifying your play field it's exploitable yeah especially when you have this cowboy flare that's one of these things like as a when you with these top level players will have they have such amazing control and skill that they can take approaches that you as me as just sort of like average players may not be the right strategy for us they're the right strategy for top-level players so you know if you're watching along at home it doesn't mean you should play the game this way but definitely excellent to learn from all right so so we're doing casino run now since we have missed the visor yep three minutes to double his winnings I haven't really been paying attention to whether he's been cheating all of these or not I assume he is your fourth cheat works is that correct yeah I wanted to save for you want to say third we will be corrected shortly yeah we'll be corrected it's the kind of thing I look up if I'm playing it yeah yeah now how significant is the bonus on this game bonus can be valuable depending on like how deep into it you are it's not at this point it's not working in the ball it's not it's not significant enough so that tells me oh now that tell it didn't matter really like jackpot jackpots in multi balling casino run is where where this will come down to this is Jason stepping up for all - oh and look at that I didn't even notice the scrub it working again and it is it is yes so ball - you can see all the scores up top which is really great and I like how the software was updating as the other playoffs were going along that was great I imagine that was part of the score bit did we have score been updated on doors or was that Fred not on the finals yeah Fred was just on top of it it was wonderful they had that possibility but I couldn't get it in in my code in time for this so he's still going for his visor despite the fact that it didn't manage to get it opened him one on this flipper I will see so you can also when you're shooting your saucer value you can choose which game you are going to play you generally want to kind of keep keno to the end because you're probably gonna pick up cards as you're playing right give that value I don't know that's a rough rough kick out from that scoop thinking had to make the move make the move still still get a ball no one is no one is blowing this game off yet no if you look at the qualifying scores those were the top scores where five billion but for the most part it looks like a billion is it can be a tough tough game to play you know one of the things like jackpot is kind of a you get all or nothing it's really easy to not score points and yet at the same time it's like you know how many shots is it to casino run it's I think it's nine because the last one you don't have to put it back on there you can just go straight into the saucer on that double so you know like when you're nine shots away from a massive oh now that that's a not a valuable time to be collecting bonus off of that slot machine this is a fellow Canadian playing right now he's just trying to go straight for his locks not worrying about the relight that makes sense just get to the mall to fall at this point play it out it's like you know you want to get some points on the table you don't want to bust out on the first game and Jack bought a very appropriate game for the high stakes tournament I'm sure that was a completely intentional pun completely intentional oh here we go multiball these games are all selected for their longer ball times and for their generally liked in tournaments by most players very calculated things well paragon was a last-minute addition wasn't it unfortunately yes it was you're right the high stakes we try I mean high stakes use the high speed Jim tried for days and he thought he had down and just was not meant to be well no completely Paragon is a great game right Paragon was always on the possible list wasn't that big of a shock when they had to pull them for us it is so his visor is closed and his saucer is not lit so this is you know I'm taking the ramp here get get that get that mode lit there we go nicely shot so now he's saucers lit again where he can't make that that seemed avoidable but you know finals here we there's a lot of pressure it's also been a very long day it is it's it's hard to keep focus after this time white arrow oh the white arrow lights the saucer I did not know that I am I will become a better pinball player the more I spend in the commentating booth with better pinball players correcting me about everything I say Thank You peeper no you join us alright so we are now going to get someone joining us in the booth who can help with our rules knowledge a lot better than we have yes and no I did actually play in the and the high stakes bank - too rich for my blood so I don't Esther told me a few of the roles when he did an entry I almost got in on that entry but all right what do we watch it's a jackpot we got what ball - ball - Davis David won't as visor I see yeah so I don't want to introduce yourself so this is Adam left call from Esther's dad and yeah I play pinball from Colorado where are you from Ian I'm from a Kitchener Ontario about an hour from Toronto okay and Megan's here with us hey Megan hello and where are you from Megan I'm from Ottawa Ontario Canada oh my goodness alright so I got a I'll take care of that you guys can do the translations and I'll take care of the u.s. stuff wow this is a good looking game of jackpot I heard this one plays really evil I did it I you know I didn't put many entries in I played one this jackpot did not go well so I don't know much about it I feel for it so really right you have two choices it's all about multiball or casino run and so like dave has two of his four spots done for casino he is he in the middle he's his collect just timed out or he did pick it up he's double or nothing under the ramp the reason you go double or nothing of course is it relights the next one and it's not an easier shot to get under the ramp it to go over it correct but you can cash out when points are points you can cash out single but then you have to hit the ramp - to relight yeah and there's there's an order to the four ones you want to play them in because you want your fourth light to be you can control which light is lit which I didn't realize when I first learned the game you can cradle up and actually choose which game to play you want to do roulette last because you can set your cheetah it's every fourth fourth or fifth I would have checked with someone yeah we were talking about that earlier you know cheating keno is probably the both the best value I was like I like keno to be a little last because I've picked up more cards at that point yes by flailing around and your cheats ready at that point - so Raymond is also pretty much in the same spot where Dave was that's why all these court Wow it's just trying probably to get to a casino run here look at our scores nice grouping yeah we've had we've had some multi balls played but no one's blowing it out clearly only a few jackpots there yeah all right so - Ray's cheating there and he's going to that's not really very useful that was a good so the grid of course he's gonna have to hit one of each you got to hit him individually now on the harder Locks casino we're in his lit so I'm this is ball two so I like his chances so he's gonna and you can actually on the fourth one you can collect this on the casino run shot so there's no reason to go under the the ramp at this point just go always double yeah always double it and go always go back to casino run okay so you don't cheat on the start exceed a run no but everyone at home don't cheat we've gone over this a million times not the first time you're gonna always get okay that's fine you're always gonna get at least one cheat during this so he's going really fast well that was weird he's having a terrible casino run so far he's got plenty of time and if you ever want to like recompose yourself you can let the ball drain you lose ten seconds but it's fine and then we can check status and Ray is Wow all right there he goes finally got it to stick all right that's a little better all 27 seconds - yeah he's got time I bet it's gonna go one more he doesn't have a no bomb right but he hasn't also got enough he hasn't cheated keepers confirming for us that it is every sports divorce yeah I definitely if I was playing all right here he goes nope he had no no bomb I he did was he cheating on that if I think he might have cheated on the second one did he if he had already cheated then I would not have I would have cashed in on that previous one like go three you're not trying to get a high score here you just want to beat your opponents well raisa body language looks like he looks a little fatigued he's disappointing going out in the first round he got caught last night he was playing classics - made it to the finals I think and didn't have time to he had one ticket and he got in to the tournament but did not get a bye and and lost out so I he looks a little fatigued right now and he was with us in the booth yeah okay so you heard his shot you heard his sob story already no but but he eating it I'm here just excited to watch the finals so it was good just good having him and going and talking us through the end there so let's see where Jason is so Jason's halfway as well so he's got funny everybody's visors ruined so it's definitely a casino run or bust Raymond could easily take first or last having already done a casino run but we'll see if Jason can come back here oh actually Jason just has a he must not have plated his multiball is that was a single I don't know you still got two more on that on the Reds and and you know the strobing white arrow above that will also light your game I just learned that oh okay no but it's funny because people forget that but that's actually that's also easier sometimes than hitting the ramp if the flippers so there's there's a lot a lot of nuance of this thing and this is not a game that I have access to so I haven't spent a lot of time you know as should I have been talking about trying to buy one for years because we see it so often in tournaments and when you watch someone who really knows it well like Kaley just dismantle it with every he's three switches all the jackpots and it's a it would be a good one no and I think but there's not a lot of them available like it's a OH oh wow double danger and I say from Jase let's see if he can get to it Wow take a deep breath there I was a great safe although he took his hands off the flippers while after he made that save any kind of he nearly like just drained because it didn't telephone him it's again sharp lunge yeah get control don't qualify the playfield and I mentioned it before it's really surprisingly hard it's super tight I yep so a lot of people you'll see will use the palm of their hand could you get it you get a little better feel for it oh oh wow that worked out for me all right let's see what Jason can do in multiball so you know multiball can be worth nothing era can be worth five billion Mike pretty quickly if you you've won a combo your jackpots of course and then if you have to keep track and you want to relight your jackpots but but if you crisscross the eyes then you don't know he didn't try to do any three switch silliness told us he got oh he just no he almost goodness oh no and he's done all right thanks for playing but he you didn't get any jackpot so that relights for a two ball kind of like funhouse at that error oh you know funhouse was the first I think to give you the real light at that error when you don't get a jackpot so sometimes it's actually it's a better multiball I think in two ball anyway unless you're keep that one yeah well the third one just gets in the way frankly mostly it's just it's the third ball is how you survive the fact that it's gonna kick one of them down the center it usually just it usually just interferes with your ability to shoot jackpots alright so now he's got one shot at the I that'll that'll relight both the eyes there on the scoot we're gonna kick out alright let's see if he can get there he goes alright so here we go it's money shot here left right back in and back in boom double jackpot nice shot 675 to the soup alright so he has 6 more to go to get to the start of mega Weiser yep his jackpots are good value now so that was that was a good usually you kind of want to wait for multiball to go and recollect but that was nice job Isis oh and now he's got one more to go to get to casino run - it's all coming together for takes the double hopes center post with a rubber so rare it's nice to see a game set factory I think a few of the games in the main bank this year were set a little tough for a Papa for a papa ticket when you when you have to have 5 good games on the same ticket I think I'd like to see games more closer to factory and you know let us play a little alright so he did what we were talking about and yeah let's go you know we're with his score being I think I would have just taken it just because cuz this there goes he'll take that boy that's old-school there he actually doubled it the hard way then started casino run so so yeah all right let's see how conservative Jason is he it's nice that he has a all those jackpots so it's fine I know it's funny when you don't play for a while and you dream you're like oh it's okay oh that was like watching people play safecracker Yeah right every time I kept letting it drape until I until I tilted all my time away but that's a different story so so now he's cheating on the second one oh and he has a no bomb so now now it'll continue because when you got the no bomb can you get two bombs on the card I don't know so and I go keep going you got a no bomb you're good specials are worth nothing on this on the settings here sometimes they're worth 500 you know what just take it who knows what silliness could happen even with the no bomb maybe you don't get it in the scoop but alright it's kind of like you want the bomb special it's not worth I mean I guess he's got nothing to lose other than if he can't find a scoop in the next 25 seconds that would be the only well in the next 11 seconds oh it's only 5 seconds sorry Kiefer so you thought I knew things but I really don't feel but I'm also very tired so all right come on tick tick tick really no coaching but yeah he can't hear us yes for two what was the high score in qualifying I think someone had a five bills okay I'm not unsurprising chasing the that was great gratefully and considering he had to survive some visor hits at the start of that ball that was as an excellent well played is this game one or this game one Oh excellent I took cashier back to the hotel so I didn't miss much no and then take a little bit set up so excellent and so player 2 is Doug teal and where's he from Calgary Alberta are you singing in a Canadian but not the other side not you guys don't know no I have I you know I've seen him at some things I've seen him at some circuit events so he he travels but I've never like had him in a group or anything you know I know like him I know it was like with Derek and that both being being him that side yeah Derek we see Derrida yeah he comes to in disc every year I think and one Cossacks - yes he did / Lewis wife and son are one woman's Oh Louise one yeah okay and who won kids I knew that I feel like one of those one of Jim's daughters actually got it for okay and there were two people with the same last name who wear a second and third like brother and sister or sister our sister and sister or was the oh there's some some serious the kids okay didn't you turn it on big that why do one kids J Jaden okay congrats to Jaden that's awesome did they win cash new car flax flax or acrylic trophy acrylic and translates translates very nice frankly sometimes that is feels better than money oh absolutely all right we got one ball locked yeah he tried to short plunge and as soon as it hit so swings you've lost the right but he's nice that's good III do a double-take comes from this angle he looks like Jeff Reich from Colorado that's the same length of hair and same stats but fej is it's not fetch so let's see if duck can get into a good rhythm here still got all three in play we're sorry we're all just checking our keys to find out which one of us left our lights on since they're rentals and we have no idea what they are what was the license plate with the last three was eight three two or started with a seven yeah okay I think I'm good I could easily have left the lights on those but for how tired I am or how tired anything of us are until we miss Doug's drain there let's see what he came out at one for nothing to sneeze at yeah it's so Dave Stewart let's see where he's at third one lit you know you can three switch the bank like if he can get it on the flipper he could try and shoot one of those green targets and then drain out of you yeah without hitting the sling like I know you can do that but I don't have the confidence to actually do that in a tournament oh yeah here we go but there was a little ball saver too I saw so yep surprising but it's nice yeah I would like to see Matt in the main bank yeah actually they watch that a little one knows nice alright man did to your right that's fine alright so Dave would love to start multiball here and he just rattles out oh but he gets the the big shot in Ramon's kind of knowing he's everyone in front of him is doing their thing he's gonna have to do the same thing so let's see let's see how Dave does in his multiball if he can he can dump it like he can dump right now he doesn't have to get dumped go get three more you want to get three more now that's good son because he could have gotten another jackpot on the kiss me shot or hit me not kiss me yes that's unless you're Keith and then then you prefer all three of them alright so even though he only won one I was lit he still could have hit the other eye on the combo but not now he'd have to relight him but his multi balls out oh it's gonna be close now he's 200 million away gonna wait for the ball search to open the visor yeah and you hope it comes out clean and not now when the visor goes up it'll they'll kick it off I saw that ball getting stuck there and it's coming up when it comes up again it's not gonna so if I was a TD here I would I would take my TD right to nudge it I would tell them I'm going to nudge it and make them men themselves because the there's the tilt is such no I agree and like just give it a little nudge because there's a lot more shenanigans trying to take the glass off and getting it during and at least hold your flipper up at this point so that stops ball searching like right now hold your flipper up so what's he gonna do who's Jim sare Jim's making the ruling Jim Bell sido runner up this year's Cygnus he is gonna open it you had to wait so I have once tilted someone out you have and while I took my wood I felt bad but you give the consolation ball and that's been ballin yeah anyways I'm up and um during jeez I I'll just like give him another game thing it's like what ball are you on ball one sorry that wasn't a pump it was a flipper frenzy oh that's a little little more skin in the game so I think the ball search activated sorry and hit a switch and so the ball oh there's been fight did it screw his visor then oh he lost his one shot visor open I think oh yeah cuz now all of them are so what do you want to do it on one shot or 25 shots personally I want the one shot so I think actually it's just in the state where another switch needs to be hit I don't think so I think the switch I think a switch registered while it was in ball surprise if it's still down then he's open he's okay generally what you do is you shoot the left orbit here so to avoid messing I like that shoot the saucer no but except the kick-out will kiss sometimes on the right hand side oh really yeah I find the ramp is by far your safest place to park the ball while you're oh he flipped but he didn't need to because the center post took care of it for him and yet his slippers didn't get in the way so he really just needs like maybe even just like go to for a 3x here on the ramp like it's really close did he okay he missed though yeah so uh yeah oh wow that was a surprising second shot there after the missed but alright always gonna let's see if he gets a good feet he does get a good feet take a moment he has slot machine which bonus multiball they will not give multiball yeah but you know right now with the 2x 61 so another six I think that's yeah he's got it I'm in bone he's got player chew in bonus now Doug he still got quite a ways to go to catch Jason here we go now I don't know if he noted the scores but you really want to do some math now yeah right he knows he's he's safely second place so you can be a little looser on your decision-making so is it a good thing or a bad thing that it's still kind of random what's what's the consensus here in the booth I don't I don't mind it it's skill what about you Megan I don't really know this game but I like to take I'm with Megan there it's the only disappointing thing if there was some sort of mode where everyone could have the exact same decision risk reward on like if it's okay the first time you have an 80% chance you know if everyone shared the same risk than it would I would be fine with it but we have seen huge casino runs and then other casino runs that dry up for nothing and there's no skill involved it was just the luck of the draw that was so he bomb he bummed out used his and it was time to time to leave annalee and it's his only game one so two points in Game one is excellent like you don't you don't have to win it winnings great but trying to secure two points on Raymond you you you know with Raymond you expect him to come back but I think Raymond's gonna be it'll be a Laster first thing for Raymond like he's gonna have to survive some early stuff but if he gets rolling there's a yeah the solar value and sort of like pin bot rules ah that's a very nice in Lane there but not that time yet he actually had this older value like up to almost 100 million there to collect under the ramp kind of like old pin bot days and the energy boom right exactly and moved to the next planet or so nice nice ball from Dave there all right so Ray Ray's up in last place and he is looks like one to two targets away on the visor I gotta believe he's thinking jack-bots cuz get all the way to mega Biser and catch right up oh all right but he's got a little ball safe nice he just needs the ball back you got it in lane so I hope take that I think he would have gotten it back on pity gone out Lane there but it was a little grace period on that ball save it would have been it would have been a fun moment though to see as opposed to what we learned made and does not have a grace period well yes it was we had dinner with Keith last night so there are two different kinds of timers there are system timers and then there are specific the the time added on the skill shot is is meant to be added on top of the regular timer which does have a grace period but that's a system time or so there's also a system timer for two minutes to midnight because of how it works and how long it goes for and there's no grace period on the two minutes to midnight either the timeout yeah no two minutes to midnight is the best mode in the game it's all your points are there unless you'd like didn't get a single soul shard so Raymond's another guy he probably prefers to play with three you see how comfortable he is going after the hit me shot and he can get back to the l1 let's see if he gets it here gets a good feet or not oh I was he went over under and he cut cut some help from the center post that's whoa perfect that just enough energy oh he was a little early on the double super jackpot it's good he's good alright we said he needs to relight him now he needs to shoot the oh no all right now no panic because now casino runs your next best option it's played at once oh he already did cos you know run you're right I'm sorry he's gonna shoot the left orbit now to try in one shot his visor only tried to anyway that worked yeah oh oh because right now we'll see him it's yep so Raymond's gonna take last year first place for Jason I beat Steve East ugh did he get passed up yeah I'll wake up to 2 billion I've yeah yeah you got some jackpots there fair enough again my laser focus let me down a little bit so Meghan what was on your card what did you play well I played the other the other four so I did Argosy Godzilla purikura and Paragon how'd it go what was your what was your your best game um I actually put up a half-decent for the qualifying score on Paragon but it was still only 73 mm it's just 70 mm yeah and then Barrett Cora same thing I got a couple hundred thousand I got dill everything fell apart with Godzilla I learned that it does not have a grace period for its bottle save either that is true Godzilla's very feast or famine you wanna if you can get to just even a single multiball then you can generally bring all the other multi balls in but of course all the jackpots in are at a lower value so there's a great risk reward element to Godzilla and I'm sure we'll be watching some Godzilla later it's gonna come up you can definitely slow New York is in really big trouble and so I I'm gonna say over/under on the number of New York saved is probably three and a half I think we would set the over-under on New York saved and the two rounds but so Raymond's driving the bus was he driving or he went last Jason Jay Jason chose game so Jason's the high seat and lesson Lester is deferring but I think Jason was proud of the high state [Music] the the paragon it has a really the tap on it's really hard a lot of people were struggling with the tap which is and it's also pretty mean like the beasts lair is very unforgiving so we're gonna have fun marching a Paragon game but I think people will avoid it and there's a little more I think you have a little more ability to control the ball on bare core yeah so it looks like we will be going to Argus II which actually I'm in the bank it's one of the great home flipper GIM of all times we had in this finals had Argosy in them in the main bank last year because keep Ellen brought it in as the top seed Karl tangela won one in discs on it I would like to say was that last year or two years ago well we got our banners where is it who's the champion Oh Robert won last year so I'm thinking of two years ago to yet it was to two years ago Argosy replaced big buck hunter yes much to my chagrin I love big buck on it that was my best qualified yeah here we go we are even stepping up all right five ballgame so it's interesting on this one you know you make the skill shot it lights the saucer for double bonus you don't have to drop the drops to do it the alley pass here is pretty all Raymond wake up jeez what was that the alley pass is dangerous if you do it - well you can lose the ball because the gate will open and shut behind it but right there was that's uh that's uninterested Raven which is scary Raymond but in a three game biggest that kind of rolled off his flipper there off the shafts and I don't know what what that was what's his score did he actually get a thousand in there into 20 points or like ten oh yeah well actually oh if I had binoculars I could yeah he's that 20 mm okay yep so you really want to skill shot super important and and then you want to go up top and you you the ball kind of bounces back and forth every time it hits around here it's advancing bonus you'll see the bonus account there you usually in this game you have to hit this scoop to get the bonus but you make your skill shot I mean I guess you can do it the old-fashioned way and can you update the card one set it drops the player cards are still game one geez Karla's really dropping the ball here I don't know what what and while you're at it press escape I mean what are you girl has he done anything this weekend I I just I never see him do it he's just sitting around the whole time just not doing anything not playing not tdn oh boy having the gate open would have been nicer so not a lot in it so you kind of want to build bonus and hit the spinner when it's lit and it's only lit half the time yeah I hit the spinner if it's lit or not yeah well cuz you're gonna hit the switch at the top and Daniel smaller budget pinball has just set off the fire alarm so we got that going for us if you had a fire alarm on your bingo ticket you're you're a winner so I would wait I hope I hope this isn't like a state where they're gonna be required by law to okay okay so yeah spinner spinner gets switched by the ten point switch at the top yeah so you usually end up bouncing into it no matter what and you want to know where that shot is so yeah you do shoot it unless the you have max bonus and you want to double it otherwise you're shooting spinner you're also getting bonus advanced off of the tube button we're all over at the top and open gate from the middle although you can do that from the sheds my strategy on this game was to keep it up yes and you just want to try I always do the same because you really want that bonus to max out each ball once bonus has max then there's other things to do yeah there's a nice angle if you I didn't play this one but I'm from the right flipper if you go right there and then you end up getting a couple you can do the same thing and get a couple of Carl's not watching clear the screen Carl thank you can I clear it here at all no he's shaking his head I'll throw my keys at you all right let's see how Jason does nobody made the skill shot but Jason's like to give her a little help help those bonus advances so I did I played this you could you could touch it yeah yeah it wasn't it was right there that's the angle that's the shot so even though he didn't get this the open gate he's his bonus is he's in the lead yeah Wow and that power sling there just yep it helps you yeah but come on guys oh that's a very lovely angle there for Jason and that was a very fortunate power in lane on this game little self spinach Jason really wants control of it alright here it comes big one boom oh wait late oh no wow and that's that's a well-deserved rain right there it's the worst view on the world with that spinner lit and it's like will do I want a hundred thousand points or I'm dead all right let's see if raise a little more invested in ball - all right big spinner right let's let's see it but that was that was like a half he didn't really get it he didn't hit it super-sweet look out gotta survive unfortunately having literally pass not only I think he was going for the alley there he was a lean bear what was that I'm not sure what that no that was that was a little weird all right so here he's been a lean let's see if he sticks to it and already got it open yeah he's doing the Jason maybe because it is open and you don't want to close it yeah back door close it is terrible it's coming together now he's having a nice oh that's the one danger it's fine he went a little late on trying to get it back up top can we tell still zero yeah you can't see that like over there seriously yeah oh my god if I squint I can take off I have I I mean I have no no rods and cones whatsoever to it the whole thing is worried like I can't even it's all a blur it's escape yeah alright so Dave oh you actually just blame passed and it set up a perfect spinner shot he's already got he's won one more pin ultimate max bonus I go double bonus and it's double oh he'll take that yeah oh I was excellent points per minute - that was the best ppm we've seen on this game so far that's pretty like if you can you can get that max bonus double bonus that's a ball you'll take it whatever yep and and three or four balls are gonna go to that outlay before you do anything else so nice skill shot there from Doug and it is a five ball game it is so you I wanted to take a bathroom break this would be a good time at home oh that's pretty unlucky usually on this era game just holding the tip up the ball will travel all the way over but that rubber looked pretty sticky there just grabbed it enough to kill him so I was unlucky from death you're the flippin the flippers are pretty strong they they don't have very much give right you would normally like usually there's those yeah but have given the ball hit them oh oh good patience from Jason there didn't panic so he's a little early on that one and he gets it now but of course it goes off lovely lovely little flutter live catch there and again very nice skills hit the spinner Jason there's nothing better to do again that was a good hit but not a not a tremendous it it's lit and he's dead he doesn't seem to be actively nudging for the gate no I I don't know if this is just fatigue we're playing it's like what I have no idea it's night time I think but 8:00 p.m. Wow and of course Jason's coming from Midwest so it's a couple hours later for him on his body clock so he's sitting at 178 there's a glare okay very nice is that second a weird light extra ball yes but I don't believe our extra bells on I mean they could be the way the games are set up Karl or extra balls on he's shaking his head he doesn't know I think they are I feel like that was something else to do they are yeah I think they are that's up Jim that's thing Oh lovely lovely little one to dig there and now is brutal brutal power outlet so Raymond gets up to 230 not 330 330 sounds about right because we had that house ball one so all right so we're on is this ball three or four I feel like it's ball three yeah yeah three I can see that that I'm not entirely senile yeah Oh Dave waylaid on the you really want to cash in when you got it on the flip there we go there we go and that's about 80% hit still haven't seen the perfect just drill spinach all the way home ah this is all right good lane pass again no it's going back up top I like it get some more bonus yeah I was a good hit but tens of points there's no on for the last little bit but not really worth much yeah yeah turn to saucer Oh No he thought he had it okay so that Dexter ball is lit a took his hands off the machine he was like celebrating yeah you take the spinner when it's lit that could be worth more than extra ball often a lot of these mouths survive this is one of those shoot the swing games to get to the saucer not and I you just you can do the you can do the chill let's it's rolling up the flipper kind of lower the momentum and then kind of punch it in yeah but I don't know it's not a ton of cradles here so I mean put it back up top you still got 30,000 in bonus Oh or post pass jeez Raymond doesn't need to be alley passing if the post pass works there it is see that's what we would have expected Doug's ball to do earlier just kind of cross over like that so Ally I mean he was laying passing earlier but no all right oh he got he got a little wood on it so it looked down the middle but I think it was a verbal possibly so it's a solid ball three yeah he's got a good lead and two points in hand so with Jason where's chasing at 120 171 yep Jason had some just great ball three saves in both the classic tournaments and in the main we watched him classics one or two where he was down maybe 40 or 50 thousand on bow and arrow last ball and he pulled it off pulled it out and he had a tiebreaker today on sea which was down about four hundred thousand on his last ball and pulled it out so he had that great save on that game did me yes epic I don't know that if that was being shown oh yeah it was Oh excellent got clipped oh very nice it's out there yeah the way Jason is the master of the wicked Jimmy one of the Masters always think of grandpa Paul Madison is the greatest wicked Shamir of all time he's mostly retired in minutes from Minnesota but Jason's also in that he's been playing for so long he's really got the wicked me down okay so jack is maxed out his bonus here oh but no chance of the devil yeah wow that would have been a very valuable upgrade trying to get back in it he's hanging around it's only ball three we got you to go maybe okay generally good game you like to roll it you an average 200 a ball yeah even even eight hundred will be alright and then head to head like in qualifying yeah you're gonna wanna a million north of a million another decent shot of the spinner or not not tremendous oh boy he's gotta get that roll hook you can either you can either die or like that or have the pop-up or put it in the scoop for you or no nothing good to 283 I believe yeah alright so ray is you see how quickly he plunge there like he just wants to get going got some nice advanced bonus work there oh good save there alright he's gonna try the corner back up nope he's doing he opens his gate oh nice oh that was a terrible feed from the scoop there the scoop has been fine my goodness oh there is there that's the Phoebe she fell a high speed the ball probably hadn't fully settled and so it was it was not a good kick out there but great it really looked like he wanted that extra ball yeah I think he did but he got his double bonus for 23 all right so he needs he needs Dave to sort of have a house ball cuz he's kind of like a ball behind and if Dave can just get a max bonus here I'd like his Oh what was almost a house but he's got to survive this Bob's slings the whatever oh wow that giveth it taketh away jeez so uh you're happy like if that's your double bonus collecting your Mac then you're good you're like whatever when it's not late but you just you gotta feel ripped off gee I was gonna have the ball in a cradle instead I'm done oh jeez no that's uh that's crazy stuff oh nice kill shot again from Doug but oh no it floated here we go that one was solid center of the flipper very nice because he's bonuses now is his 20,000 a hit up there so yep boom so why don't we nudge in here right because it's all money it's not that one's good but all the other ones are hitting the the left side of the skill shot and oh God that was hot bumpers are nasty unlucky those are those like I don't think these are all strong players and then we're tired but like iam classics players are are there all the time yep that's good point but Argosy to me is one of the primary games where you help that ball every time from the right back to the left because there's a nothing but goodness on the left Ray's trying to do it get the things started that works but got to survive oh it was came in clean like just give it a little on the player cam I could see him moving but the Michigan doesn't really seem to be responding now see that that was the best spinner shot of the game it wasn't lit so I mean he probably got a couple hundred points out of it but that that's the spinner shot you want Jason just want some bonus here that's nice a lot of people so what number is that that one for Jason that'll be at 3 3 can't see cuz raising the way 3/5 but I'm pretty sure yeah answer it going into that like come on Raymond help the ball go through the skill-shot area there nice I big spinner late oh no you gotta be ready man that scoops no longer oh all right is he gonna hold it what's he doing oh dear oh dear oh yeah that's I think gray had a lot of other options there and that was not his best option so Raymond is in the clubhouse with for 75 or 75 and I passed my eye tests I should be legally blind when the light is not fully ambient I have no rods and cones sender control as so his uh Raymond's just barely holding on in this thing cuz he only had one point coming into this game he needs to get a point from he's not gonna get it from Jason but I mean it's good Dave's pulling away here trying to secure his first he'd be in the driver's seat at six points if he can secure the win here little back end up homage to Bob Mathews who won classics one on Friday with some excellent backhand spinach on eight ball first time looked like it was you know luck but then he did it about three or four more times and it's like wow Bob's really hitting that backhand well so Dave also is trying to just get the ball moving and I'm rolling back in that's quite promising there y'all right leg out oh thanks how do you like that top pop pop number the top lean there or the owner the top pop I don't think I think the lights out I think that the way you light it is you open it up and you replace the ball and then you realize how incredibly stupid that mechanics are it's like wait I have to be solder to change a light bulb what yes and then you uh yes then you never open up any didn't live with it so uh great game from Dave he's gonna finish up over north to 700 with his double bonus Oh 800 there you go I like his chances about 200 thousands your max and bonus plus another 100,000 on the play field catching that score will be very challenging for Doug and Jason but of course Jason has four points are we Oh actually where's Doug ass we could very easily be in a 6 6 1 1 here if Doug passes Raymond but not anyone else and it's gonna work in a 6 6 1 1 this group let's see where's Doug Skor versus Raymond force Raymond was 475 we said yes so it's Doug passes Raymond but not Jason then this thing could be over look out yeah oh he did just passed Raymond oh no 5,000 show Wow Wow cuz Jason could have just stepped away at that point unless he wanted to knock they valve cuz Jason can still pass Dave Stewart to get to eight to secure his win now he needs to because the six six one one's not in play anymore so he's gonna try here but I just Argosy doesn't generally give you enough ball time to make up that many points on a single ball well yeah get extra ball that is oh yeah that's true with the extra you're right I forgot that you're extra balls in play so even with two balls it would be pretty challenging but uh if he gets two extra balls then I'm gonna call it would be a great another word Rick come back alright that's the step one get past yes yeah get a point secure point and any time you can get points on Raymond Davidson that that that's an important thing to do too because he usually gobbles up all the points I like that decision there yep try twice to get a shot as they say it's time to find another shot oh boy bleep lot of those left outlanes so did he cat no so Dave Stewart in the driver's seat at six points Jason are we gonna have triple fours no Raymond goes to 475 yeah so Raymond goes to three six that there's a 6 and a 3 there has to be yeah we're not gonna do math I feel like this is like when they when they sleep deprived people and then they you know try and make them do math we'll let Carl software tell us if you're scoring at home yeah turns out there's computers for this kind of thing oh really no no I think Jim's gonna win this yeah well yeah it's a pretty safe bet who's that got a good feel okay here we go all right all right so with a 6 4 3 1 that's that's the one that's an unusual one but so Dave I need the out calculator from Dunlap six four three there's still a nope there's no triple seven because of the one that helps Dave at six points that's one less non out for him the three wins to get to seven so Dave still isn't safe he's not guaranteed to play off because he could still take third at six points no he he's guaranteed to play off because seven but three can get to seven and then the four can get to six in that case yeah otherwise so yep there's a so there's a playoff at six so dave has that out Dave's guaranteed a playoff at this one who's our one point the Doug Doug and he does he have an out it is there a tie at five available six four four one yeah I feel like there is but I got to see the numbers again all you hey Zack you're in the you're in the chat there what a surprise nice to see you can you tell us Zack says there's a six 555 in play we had one of those today I believe yeah we did in the quarterfinals of a Maine yeah that's our Bo and Karen's with group with Jim Bell sido that was a six five five five I'd say that's a well-balanced group when that happens there have been a lot of tie breakers today really we're gonna watch more jackpot well this is in progress this is the other group Jermaine has nothing oh and basically everybody has their position times a billion there's 1 billion two billion and three billion and Jermaine's if we're doing not proper computer science so we're starting at zero therefore for Jermaine but you know it can turn around quickly so this ball three here ain't it's gotta be oh no goodness that was a dreadful unlucky drain there it was on the rim of the visor and detached it entirely the wrong place so uh Raymond Jermaine is insured last place here he has one point and unless Kayleigh wins at 0 points then Jermaine is out out was gonna be out of it he fell one is player four with four points and three billion in hand with the ball in hand so I like his chances Fred Richardson is kind of Keith's copilot at this point Jermaine has to hope that Keith wins and that way he still has a shot so it's the out nobody wants to use when you when you aren't playing well you hope whoever won Game one wins Game two as well and keeps you gives you a shot the old ate triple 2 is a fun place to be one game for all the marbles and I think in this case the marbles represent many dollar bills not many but oh geez Fred that's uh we're seeing some wicked drains here Fred can do no better than third and so Kaley this is Kaylee's actually in the best spot here cuz he's guaranteed two points already and if he doesn't get the win he knows Keith does so he will it'll be a three to one playoff so which gives Fred one extra out but I fully expect Kelly to come back here now at least make Keith play is out third ball alright so Kaylie's gonna do some he's gonna three switch this as much as he's able to if they're like he invent you know the best yeah yes the the exploiter alright look at that any any drains very well there alright that's one now he's gonna try for the jackpot on the right there lovely alright so he's got to get right to left here he's gonna try and just post fast but he'll alley pass if it doesn't work there he goes alright let's see if he can do this 101 sit Oh one two I think he's still saved yep he's gonna dump oh he's still okay he's still alive he's fine that's crazy the three switch master look what you've done Kiefer look what you've done all right so he's and the way he was able to know that he hadn't valid that either two places yet his birth the score was still flat excellent excellent point Megan and I always that's the only way I know so I always look up is a nice super - I'm super it's gonna make you play anyway oh dear oh yeah oh he hasn't made Keith play yet so now he's gonna he's gonna try very hard not to not bad lovely live alright let's see if he's a what do you like you and I like left as if I miss I go into the saucer yeah I used to be a left guy but I have you Center I'm centre now yeah better better return and you're changing from horizontal to vertical and there's a better cadence I find to go vertical vertical boom versus horizontal horizontal on him bot I know the timing perfectly yeah jackpot is it different is it like it's not the yeah I don't know if anyone in chat can confirm that or not whether I mean I guess you could just get 60 frames a second and time it down to the least a sixtieth of a second this will be like the is the flipper timing different on the remake oh well that's a note it is I mean that's that's that there's no discussion there that's a given I was trying to look up the prize pool but the the page isn't loading but we did have 58 so 58 people at $50 that's uh that's about what three grand and and probably everyone let's say average two tickets if they were gonna do it so let's call it six grand total forty percent for first 40 percent of six grand would be twenty four hundred so pay for a couple in-n-out burgers tonight anyway yesh if you're still watching haven't gone to sleep you'll need to find a ride back to the facility to come to in and out with us I suspect he's probably gone to bed but oh here's here we go here's our in the mate and the a division main first place was nineteen hundred and ten and in high stakes first place was seventeen hundred and twenty five so nearly an identical price pool at the top now of course a division paid out way further down all the way to twenty fourth place only paying the top fate here or I didn't I didn't see that well how far top eight yeah that's what makes it high stakes so Keith had had casino run in in hand so how much is the cour nothing yeah yeah yeah the walk-off casino run for mr. Allen I take the over-under on the number of walk-off Casino runs he's had at probably more than ten in his illustrious career over the many many decades I think he's into a six or seventh decade now hey Callen occupy and he also I just saw he said he called it the walk-off Casino run - yep hey Colin Oh cow is usually an instant special which is 500 million unless it's turned off which it is so six four three one has Keats through to the finals at eight there's one REE to one Doug does have one who does have an out yeah Doug has went out to advance three outs right there's a tie three-way tie at five right yeah and then one out there at st. you just want Game three to matter yeah Thank You Gregg before can I win it's interesting while we wait the the main bank is open for general play and I know a lot of people will go back to the scene of the crime as it were I have not come back to bow and arrow I I didn't play classics this year but I went and did a classics run for free thereafter it was opened up and I don't think I would have gotten in on my first try anyway like a sir I just want to yeah I I was tempted to go back and see how how how many times I get hit inside a cabinet without tilting and just amp it up row an arrow until I did it again I watched I watched the clip of you saying oh he's won it and then Jermaine going no he tilted I watched that about like 20 times this morning yeah that was unfortunate and again you needed those two points in the end but you're talking to someone who tilted 50 minutes away on safecracker so I saw you tilt from the booth and I had no idea what happened in the game so it was clear it safe cracker it puts you immediately into southern death so I shot this in a ramp to start TNT multiball and it was just coming together beautifully and it went around the ramp as it often does on safecracking you think you've got it and then it was like and then it came back down because it didn't make it all the way around and it came straight down the middle I just went for a reflex lap save and it was danger danger chill cuz it tilts really sensitive on it and of course I should have just let it go I really wanted my tea and tea but I mean I had 50 minutes I could have built it back but I got back up like I I had no time but I was able to relight it but uh not all right hey paragon Eragon right on so uh Raymond did all Raymond had a nice nap there and that was a none port that wasn't a brick train that was a correctly made shot from a nice tap train yeah thank you paragon may I have another all right boy there's uh so here's Dave and first was six he's playing not to lose golden cliffs for the wind I think he should just shoot spinner honestly and try and lock in twenty twenty thousand Paragon letters are yep so doing the Colin Colin urban just go back up top like he was doing in City champ it looked like a failed oh well at least it's fair could be out lame did inlanes on most Paragons are very it's like 80/20 and there's not a lot you can do about it the sling is actually above where the gate is and the its it's very hard to you get the ball to go but it's very hard to affect the outcome it's it's kind of like being in the beasts lair now do you have a paragon either you at home I got a good friend has one in his house because cuz the paragon have that that you see that post there but that post so mine's missing my mind doesn't have that post that little post I had never seen that before on a Farrakhan so we'll take a we'll take a vote in chat on whether the paragon should have that little extra post in the beasts lair do did you did every I'm sitting here talking to Raymond alright so Jason at four points also just doesn't want to take last year Dave's kind of his co-pilot nothing in it so far if he could lock twenty in here you know that would be huge oh so he would move all right no he's not going spinner he's going drop so damn that works I knew well how's our waterfall feet a little scary I wouldn't hold the flipper up but I'd like to go on the fly on that try and try and rip the spinner and go right back up there if that happens obviously holding the flipper ups your best bet and you wait good patience and Paragons rough because you have X you get three drops down before you get any benefit other than advancing bonus so how that feed I'm on 100% sold on flipping like crazy in the saucer yeah yeah the sharp Josh I first saw Josh and Zach Sharpe both do it so Andre when I played a league event at three gold watch and I was playing some fun games with Andre afterwards and he was like yeah doing it it takes power away from the pitch changes them in just the way the geometry works yep and you have a better odds of getting back into the scoop and every time now I'm I wouldn't say a better odd but it definitely changes things up and I would love to do a test of that like a million times and just get some you know videotape it and then do some motion detection and figure out I would love to see all the different drains that one that drain is you know that that is such a common drain on paragon out of that Right Scoop brutal so the pinball gods want to see like a playoff or something else because they're Dave's just well yeah see this is why my 73000 was actually a decent qualifying score absolutely maked geez Esther said he had like 8,000 after two balls and then he ground out at 280 on it but I golden he's got some nice cool clips and the kick-out was friendlier as well oh my goodness yeah she I that spinners better value survived the nice top get that bonus event all right now just it'll be fine cuz the last one was evil this one will be fine okay game an advanced bonus what's his it's he up to 6:15 three three quarters of the way there seven oh it's only advanced one oh there it is oh it was close to get an extra 20 on the super bonus I like it sorry like event it's good to have advanced to when it's cycling in advanced one when it's a clinch oh oh yeah glad to set it up yep yeah good point I don't want to jinx Doug but his his magic six five five five is coming together at the moment right so he needs Jason to take third that's the only thing that Jason's a head of Raymond that's the only thing missing from his uh you know and people get it's like it's mine don't you don't need to don't worry about it that's good little little rolling tap he's very comfortable at the tap so like right there though you got to learn to park it in the in the you you you Ally pass that that's the best place to park it Oh Oh lovely all right so he's oh that was preventable it was pilot error but it was a good shot cuz it doubled his bonus all right so uh Doug need Raymond to pass Jason at least to get this six triple five on Oh Raymond with the really subtle and Raymond Davidson is out oh no yes he's out of the tournament he can do no better than four points now Edward Rick will can do no better than five so yeah five points is the magic number now Doug can still get to a tiebreaker if Jason Takes third and Doug wins we get a tie at five otherwise it's gonna be Dave and Jason in the finals sometimes it's hard to tell what Dave's doing but it's working for him oh look out yeah you raised a flipper oh now you want to raise the little flipper it helps the ball exit out yeah the deflection will be outside instead of inside the sometimes if you don't raise it it'll just put it back in there and that's never good so Dave is going to take second place thank he gets his point so he's at seven he's fine he's made it to the finals and now we see whether oh oh gods want to see the extra pinball come on there's some points it's good is that is it 60 or 80 there 68 oh all right so here it is Jason Weirich needs to pass oh no Jason's got second sorry there's no drama here Jason's at six he's got it he's just playing yeah I thought Jason was yeah all right so uh great round Jason and Dave Stewart are into the finals with Keith Elwin and a player to be named shortly between the three two one can we go watch the three two one game what are they on Oh on Godzilla is a fun game it's great pinball irony there with Jason surviving the beasts lair because he had absolutely no reason not to yeah now that he's got a no-pressure game going yeah he's just keeping up cause if Bob we play it again next round yeah all lovely saved there let's see the 5x just for a good good showing he's got to make it and have it sit in the scoop lovely yeah he's got the top set oh and it just enough and look easy yeah so if I were him I'd walk away now because you don't want to waste all of the erection balls honors at points look at the beat points they're fifty thousand and why not just lock in your 40 super bonus for a max bonus collect I don't know what that was it's pinball those great pinball ironies it's not real irony but just whenever when you don't need it it's just it comes when you really desperately just need the ball on the flipper once it doesn't you just have to some people deal with that well and others not so much Megan how do you deal with it when when when the just bat when it just feels like you're being snake bit oh well it's something I need to work on actually I my mental game is what needs some work but try to walk away take a deep breath I find the more you do it the easier it gets and that's just it it's experience helps we are now watching the floor actually were watching keith's play from his back this is exciting oh oh oh we're watching me scratch my stomach thanks whew let's sit up again look away everybody oh my god yeah I think I'll just take my jumper off now - yeah the the challenging thing is practicing being in the finals 150 plus person it's simulating that right yeah you can't tell them you can't I mean you could have a $20 bill and like make a make a target score and if not you tear it in half like you you know but no but you just keep playing in tournaments and you do better and then you get those opportunities well I have only been playing for a few years and but I've been traveling through a lot of the big events and the difference in my skills from one year to the next is noticeable for me not in my results but right but there's no and yeah there's no substitute for just getting there and doing it and feeling the adrenaline and the heartbeat or the you know yeah learning to deal with it yep yeah I feel a lot more comfortable now than I did before flair to ball two all right I see he's getting close I see one two three four multi balls done the only one he doesn't have is it helicopter that's generally the one you've unless lights out he way he oh that was a baby actually baby's heel that's surprising me because that's usually the one I go for first on when I'm on the right flipper based on his score there I would say he took one multiball and then brought the others in because pretty low score for having played nearly all of them yeah is this small three or two it's about 200 Jermaine still has a chance to save New York yep I don't know how its set up is the magnet disabled or do you know how no magnet on magnets on so it plays factory yeah is any of the gate disabled at all so the baby zilla's go into the pops every time nobody's around flipper oh nice Wow it played okay yeah I'll go into my sob story it's not worth going into but anyone wants to know ask me later Fred's disappointed because he started multiball and I don't think he was ready yet he was trying to so the rules are one multiball five million to multi balls seven million three it starts to get very interesting I want to say ten or fifteen got a haven't played in a while and I didn't play it maybe twelve sorry I feel like three is the the sweet spot that's where the trade off out of you yep well it's also some of it like some of the multi balls are pretty useless on their own that taxi I like the ideal or flight ball sabers and so if nobody's completely blown up the game I like them that you're playing a multiball and now you've gotten up all safe like taxi is a great ball saver and so NARS to like you don't really like to aim for so NARS you get them when you missed like he hasn't hit Fred hasn't hit or a right ramp yet yep the nice thing about the right ramp is at feature flipper again so but I he's all right he's gonna cradle up now let's see if he could now help let's see if he gets a chance very nice into the l1 so you could ramp forever here and good things would happen feeding that yeah getting that feed out of the Godzilla though you got to manage it so his jackpots are actually up to six billion ads a million when he bring the next Oh jack we still on ball - is he like play a web player he's player three player three on ball two another ramp I'll say I'm used to playing Godzilla's with kind of spongy flippers now this is solid these are crisp and there's not a lot of other games pulling on the current right now so we would expect no less from Bell sea towing company and the never drains in Southern California the whole team there's a team of two 300 people I think that helped out on a daily basis just the just the video equipment alone is a team of 20 to assemble and disassemble yeah you wouldn't be able to do this with me Carl has four associate producers who are running running errands form Jim has you know another another 20 guys to help move games all the time there's no of course I'm kidding it's pretty much Jim and Carl and Bob and a few some good text but they do so much it's you can't even talk talk about it because it's it was just Oh lovely save can we see the replay on that Carl's saying yeah right out we had replay last year it was our two years ago it was awesome so Kaylee on ball two was uninterested in starting multiball he's working his baby Zilla he likes repeatable things so he's going left ramp and then back to it yeah this is all I do that's that's why I was surprised at Jermaine that was his last multiball so that multiball so he's got to ready now and you give Kelly something that's repeatable and he's really not gonna be interested in doing anything anything else it it's like I understand time but it I agree with him that that he has a skill that is as better than anyone else in the world and the fact that a tournament after tournament after tournament is taking that away from him as an option yeah isn't like and yes you don't want him playing for four hours but I do I want to do it like I see it if you haven't seen him hit 50 shots in a row on on Judge Dredd 50 ramps in a row in multiball while cradling two exits done to a billion 500 million it's a thing to see so let's see what's Keith got he's got oh he just but he had a ball saver so he took a helicopter and his helicopter I think is one to go or he just qualified it he met a qualified it that might be the I think that's the upper one yeah it is oh no did he accidentally start no oh he did oh no the sling started multiball for him I think he's disappointed but yeah oh he's got eight points she's not disappointed he he's I don't want to say bored but yeah that's fine but he wants to get a feel for the next round of it so really keep his player as player one it doesn't matter it matters a little because fred has an extra out base if Kent can tuck in between the other two players so I don't know I don't know how how someone at his level thinks there's something to be said for it's late he's pretty he's fired especially and he went out in the first round with in estrus group in the quarterfinals so we went had lunch with him and he was watching the football game because it was like oh you got six hours to play that's a crazy spin there's a magnet in the game no that was uh that's the Mack that section magnet yeah I I forget that there's a magnet in this game and then and then it's like oh yeah good old Sega we always really no idea allah free n dispatch to whoever can post on in post a picture underneath the play field of godzilla showing the position of the magnet for he and i could just look it up on my TV it's not that okay i retract the free patch keeper what a patch classics one i did wasn't on last night to give one away so uh we just what does he have left one he's got one more to go we've got one more sonar hit yeah looked like he was oh that was he brought that back from the dead that's gone and Wow he I don't know the camera maybe the guillotine was shaking a bit guillotine there's no well there how do the Canadians a guillotine is a guillotine it's a double oh but you guys are you're not from the French side that's the East Coast Meghan's from Ottawa it is Ottawa French it's my lingual it's our capital yep capital of what for your country yep Ottawa yeah really yeah man that's awesome we're learning so much on this team today it also happens to be situated right on the border between Ontario and Quebec oh really yep the more you know so okay he's gotten he's got the signal multiball here and you gotta save New York before the multi balls are available again so after when he comes out of this multiball save New York is going to be lit and the way safe New York works is you got to shoot the same shot that you shoot to start multiball and then you've got multiple balls in play and you have to spell New York which is one two three four five six seven letters and then the game will stop if you get there or if you drain out but either way you you can then start all your multi balls a good so if you don't save New York twice in a game you might be in trouble with these guys what did you say over/under three and a half I said three and a half safe New York so here's our first one he's got the end and you know the rant basically all your shots are gonna give you letters but he's let's see if he's able to cradle up here I'd somehow I'm thinking he will be Oh what do you know he's in the l1 what a surprise oh that was a surprise actually he missed uh he had it done if he can there he goes so he's got two letters to go but he only has two balls in play there's no he's gotta get er done he spelled taxi for one of the letters and now he's got to actually shoot the same shot you shoot for everything else is he gonna save New York I worry about our friends Greg Paparelli and then Nixon de Oz and where was that ball from that where'd that ball come from was it stuff oh dear this is not gonna happen Oh oh no and there's no great story there is I am sorry New York oh well you were not I'm like no chances i I I feel like he's gonna like just walk away now like I don't know why he would continue to play he's got a good feel for the game unless he's unless he's trying to knock someone out like in particular if he has a favorite of that three to one but uh no maybes he's bothered to stay up this lady might as well play some pinball out although we're out his opponents maybe he'll start doing helicopter shots just cuz they're more dangerous maybe he's trying to fatigue the flippers he could that would be the other option is to try and saga Phi the flippers for everybody else feed him up it's like that on you know old Stern pirates you whoever gets Tortuga over and over again first generally uh Wow there's no it's pretty liberal because he's given it quite a few he gave it a big old slide say during the saved New York sequence yeah the Tulsa been said quite fair I wonder if he realizes that he's through with eight points he might not understand the way the pop was scoring works he's new to this tournament scene right ah yeah yeah all the you know Papa scoring is different and some people don't realize that that you get four points for winning how many families to see him seven seven Papa's and zero if but it was a drop target away from winning if 11 in Colorado against your E and he was up 3-1 and Jorian came back on him after that when he didn't he failed to catch him on our out of sight and your E and then just just really put the foot the would put the pedal to the metal big Congo big big hole over they plan on spider-man and then it went to 9 games and they had a they had a great game of Paragon game 8 and then the final final game was what was game 9 on if 11 o is medieval madness that played like this monster bass here this weekend and the Magee Orion took care of it no problem so yeah he's got a he's got a few we got a lot of World Championships sporting here at the in disc this is it's one of the finest fields you can find in a pinball tournament not in Pittsburgh yep we got Bowen Karen's with his three Pappas and two of us so five of them got Raymond Davidson back to back if put champion and and perennial Papa final for second place guy we've got young guys you're left off with his one still raining still reigning champ two years in Johnson County and Who am I forgetting Oh Kaylee George of course both a papa champion once and one or two with was Kaylee when one or two IFP A's I feel like he's been in the finals with Daniella she alright you beat him once he beat Daniele once and then Danielle he beat him maybe only one only one yeah so two time so uh we got we got more world champions than you do less like you got Rick stedy and Joey Carter hey Mia and in your living room right now I guess that's possible the best thing about doing commentary when when people are when really good players are playing Godzilla is we couldn't I mean we can go deep like we could get outworn peace and maybe get through a few chapters or I don't know there we go thank goodness I I have to say if I was taking over under and how long Keith would play after saving New York with eight points I would have been I'm I'm startled by how long we played yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna text him and ask him why he played so long because I'm really curious alright so Jermaine is stepping up he has baby yeah now this is actually this is a big deal yeah so started babies Jermaine must win he has no other outs lobbying not wins he does they're still out yeah yeah there's still a three-way tie in play here especially if keep who's gonna win if he wins it yeah so but Jermaine wouldn't need to be the defense of these three yep and so it's he gonna have he have saves New York ready - yeah oh it's coming together for has to not double drain maybe we could maybe we could have a tiebreaker on Godzilla either that or Paragon it's probably about the same amount of time it's like come around please all right Oh back into the shooter lengths because there's no gate there good ol Sega saving eight cents on the non gate to the lane gate hey what nowadays we tried to assure Meyer he tried a new sir Meyer and he got it back that's where if you're cradled on one flipper and you really want the ball to stop on the other flipper you can give it a little little all right he's been oh I don't know if he know I didn't realize he was still a taxi so since he hasn't completed he still a bit allowed to bring uncompleted multi balls from before back in and taxi is just those that for bank of red targets we see here I'll Circle it just to make Carl do something thanks Carl and so he must this must be his next taxi which is you kind of wanted it for your next go-around but the way he was struggling trying to set up safe New York it's there we go what was that now it's kind of weird all right no is he having out is he in the lead though with that he must be in the lead at the moment but geez 188 now interestingly when he brought in that second multiball the jackpot only went to six million whereas when Keith started two at the same time it was at it started at the base of seven so he started it at five and then when you bring each one and you get one more million versus there's a if you bring all 525 million that's the switch you back in the old days this was in four pump-and-dump qualifying in in discs and you needed a bill to have a good game on it because people were going all in with the I feel like 15 million is for four so it must be ten million for three they probably said into chat Beijing keep be Johnson so fred is what it's red neat he needs sonar on the left oh goodness always got a multiball ready and all we wanted that I'm taking I think take the multiball you can get yeah yeah just just don't don't worry about anything else Keith but Fred's got a plan let's see what he's thinking sing a little bit but take your multiball start that's a hard shot wouldn't you repair yeah yeah yeah good choice this is the best of the minor multi balls I think baby baby yeah cuz the the jackpots are on that left orbit and that's it's the safest shot in the most natural shot to take so what does he need to stack in while he's well what's his secondary looks like he was just going for taxi there which I should have peeked at the play field ahead I haven't I just haven't played one in a while so no his sonar needs two hits and what about his helicopter helicopters the the helicopter shop we keep talking about there's these two targets on either side here but they're only active when you get an in Lane and they there's a the old Sega if they kick there our kicker and the power target thing is there right now what's our what's our official name for them I don't know what they're called now those annoying things that are on all the actually like them I don't know why they feel good and I hit them a lot Zack's today they certainly randomized the game for a cheaper than they would having to put a whole magnet in there so and they do it in a different way so friends flipping away here having fun the jackpot he is germane oh he is so Jermaine is out out of contention here because he can do yep all right this point Cayley needs to pass Keith then yeah to Garin to get in without a tiebreaker yeah excellent point because it's only one with Fred and he would only be with Fred would get to Fred has assured himself Kelly could still take second to get to four and then Fred would be at four on at third yeah so yes the past time we read he can pass so he'll have to pass Fred for the tiebreaker and pass Keith for the non tiebreak walk off yeah so Fred is guaranteed to not be out he has at least a chance yes at the time Rick unless Kelly passes unless Kelly fastest game I forget the the progress for her Kelly towards say V New York so sonar is that was that his last one that's his last month ago I think so I would I don't know we'll see how Fred plays it I'd cradle up and do a name on shots no I cradle up on the right and just be done with it and get on with it there's too much risk risk reward value to New York versus a double drain or all right you know he's going for it the jackpot I it's a hard shot because you put the ball in danger every single time so just don't write don't double drain I see two balls in play oh it's time to cradle up and do some better stuff all right that's actually it's great perfect position yeah you'd love that bad that drain take a moment or not boom nope little late another try Oh an extra try oh I'm gonna fly that time that's Wow a third try yeah you don't get a fourth thread that's tournament pinball and nutshell high stakes he wanted that shot and he had some tries at it but wasn't able to get it done but he still got a great chance at a tiebreaker here all right so Kaylee's uh jacket comes off he has just godzilla lit no I see Yasmine his wife and snow galvan from Colorado right behind him chatting away is Wow so the good the good news is that it's all in front of them bad news is he still he doesn't actually have a multiball lit at the moment to work with but was a baby Zilla that was ready oh no he doesn't miss Godzilla okay so that's all Kaylee meets or not he gives me a stack with it but then I think he was John I come surprised because 270 you can get by just saving New York like single Jack's you don't need it's one safe orbit Wow you have to survive that that seed yeah all right one shot all right so all right so it is a big shot all right I had in that in disc in I had met a guy named Karl DeAngelo and I was in the clubhouse with 480 million and Carl tangelo had 1 million going into ball 3 on Godzilla and I felt pretty good about my chances and they call him this I've learned why they call him the submarine actually I dubbed him the submarine after that because he came all the way back stacking his multi balls in and got the 500 million so this is very doable from Kaylie let's see how he does know I haven't seen anybody trying for the the skill shot what there's a skill shot in this game yeah yeah if you hold down the super skill yeah yeah and you can yeah I think it's a nice feed from the magnet even with the ball safe that's funny I was like oh yeah there's your new gonna is he gonna over under here or nope he's gonna keep doing babies this is what you said this is and this is mosh pit multiball at the same time oh but look he still wants to make progress on his main Godzilla there oh yeah oh he tried to it would have saved him having to start it because it would have just we it would have read all his multi balls if he had made that shot I think it was it would have brought it in that's about its sonar so he's got sonar lit now all right helicopter but start start sonar and then worry about your heli all right so once again Kaylee needs to pass Fred here to to get a playoff and then pass Keith - uh-oh look out this is only got another chance oh he got it okay so he does he haven't had a helicopter to go still means how it harder to get to save New York so that's so you kind of want to shoot Zilla and the the right ramp so that you get the feeds into the inlanes to set the helicopter up which is what he did although it diverted into this that's not didn't a lot of those he's struggling on that ramp he could accidentally bring in another sonar all that oh look out oh he got that one back I had time to cradle up though huh looked like he he enter he he changed the path in one ball like he fired away to change it I don't know if you oh look out this airs Anushka Meyer not great his doctor in single ball play is not what you are nope so back to Zilla baby Zilla you're only what 12 shots awake 12 safe shots away alternately left ramp oh goodness oh my goodness no I can't see him surviving this all that was a great shakeout oh is he just going Florida he was wow that was a crazy sequence right there three million I don't think alright alright is he going for it let's see oh he was going for it there oh my goodness oh oh he saw it it's lit oh come on like that wow that was some Taoism he had a lot of good fortune there a lot of inlanes took a danger and cradle up and drain yeah I don't know we'll see what Fred what's read at aI don't think Kelly's Kelly's a he'll keep laying like especially I don't know we'll see you kind of like to be on the right but okay let's see what he does you just you need to be careful here and once again he could still bring other multi balls in just to prolong the preamble like here he's making progress to the what do we call the regular Godzilla it's just the because the baby Godzilla but it's Godzilla yes sir it says Godzilla huh it's weird because the game's called Godzilla and you know you can get confused so Kaylie's again we talked about it he's he's one of those guys he'd be uninterested in saving New York like he kept he can do this forever then that's fine he's happy doing this forever how many more to light it to light there pull all right super pops or if anything in this some of those seconds they aren't even worth mentioning me and that values broken the seal so why is he he what he started to deal baby Zillow again yeah let's go Paul save more balls coming out so um you know I mean save New York isn't a sure thing but baby Godzilla though yeah if he if he can do them the mosh pit cradle on the left shoot from the right we still don't remember and the jackpots are up to 8400 seventy so he has thirty million to go which would be five just five baby zillah's alright so if he can alright here it is all right just a few more baby zilla's and we can hear baby zillah's crying from from here that's what you want to do you want to make baby Zilla cry oh no I think no he would have had it a bonus but it would have been interesting there's not a lot of bonus in this game yeah so he's not red now he was just taking a shot to make sure he was mathematically ahead of Fred before starting save New York so all shots are 9 million he's it he didn't it shouldn't have he's just collecting his balls right now no he decides to break out but all at the wrong time oh he's he's not getting any of those back no no grace period all right so now he's oh he misses struggling on the Godzilla ramp but he loves that baby Zilla ramp so he's got new I don't like his chances oh my goodness nice lovely little tip to get control the balls are interfering with each other destructively at the moment all right so a little over under baby Zilla Oh we'll be careful there all right he's got three to go there's one oh wow that ball just stalled right there oh oh wait did he save it or not no I thought he's confused him both yeah I'm not sure if maybe he thought it would or maybe lost count yeah Oh super pops oh we missed it show the replay on the super bops Oh God and now you guys to catch Keith because for some reason yeah Keith that and so that was the reason he kept playing on ball two he wanted to force Kelly there yeah poor skilling go playoff or I think he you know he's got sonar but and he could start it again Darden and grind them out there it is so your second time through on multi balls everything's doubled so you can actually get the up to 50 million a jackpot oh nice ten million on the one ball here so here we go ten minute pots probably hammer away at some taxi well the ball saves going alright under control the safest easiest multiball to get back to here accidentally picked off a ten million they're bagging the sonar so we're this is essentially a Godzilla tutorial like just watch this video again and you'll see everything you need to see about how to play it remember Kaylee started this ball at about 41 million or exactly forty 1 million thank you baby it's it's funny to watch Raymond Davidson mulch all my goodness that was the most power wrist power in Lane I've ever seen again if we have a 30 frames for a second we could figure out its velocity but that was a that was insane or does matter no it doesn't either does tight he's been money on that start shot there it is it so more points are coming to his way it's at 10 10 million a jackpot here this this looks promising for him to pass Keith what's the target 480 well but remember Keith still has a ball to play and Keith is also done oh but keep it and save New York so oh I'm sorry I'm always thinking keeping this player for their keeps player one so y'all ready sure we're about three here alright we're losing the plot but yeah a little late okay so no this is awesome then I was thinking that Keith still out of all the play that's oh my goodness [Applause] alright so we will be going into a this gives a certain type oh no that was clears the tires a bad beat for Fred Richardson Fred played great and gonna finish him fit all right so this portion of the show is sponsored by Mack farms dry-roasted with sea-salt macadamia nuts would you care for a nut I will but I might wait until your break lift your mic up here you'll be our test pilot so lift your just lift that up yet eat one and we'll tell you if it's how it comes through so this is Meghan eating the okay put the mic down and let's hear it I think there's like YouTube channels just for this others hole so our final four are going to be Kaylee and Keith and I don't remember the other type that was too long ago now as to New York destructions ago we had Dave and Jason advancing Dave Stewart and and Jason Weirich this is going to be an entertaining finals who's our bus driver Keith Ellen was top seed I believe yes it was so we're gonna get to see another game of Godzilla uh did he select it no but I'm just saying that that's some point some point someone well Oh unless I think it's restriction the same research but there's only five on its yeah that's true until you've played all the other game so who's our second C Jason if you were just joining us where the hell have you been we've been on the air for the last 39 hours this is the 2019 endeavored rains in Southern California tournament I am Adam left off alongside in herre word and Megan Sprague we are watching the final tournament of the weekend we learned it at nine nine this morning and it is 9:00 at night only 12 hours I've already heard that be like what - pin BER ground v-fib her ground can do five of those so we are in the height this is the high stakes division this was $50 for a ticket and played four games and tried to get four good scores and these are the remaining four players unsurprisingly so keep that one who didn't make it out of the quarters of the main we have Dave Stewart who didn't make it out of the quarters of the main Kaleigh George who went out in his round of eight on a tiebreaker with Adam oh not a tiebreaker but Adam McKinney knocked him out with a remark oh no it was the tiebreaker on hey watch how they watch both scores north of a billion where's it delay oh they're telling us yeah chat room saying that what ahead or behind it's nobody that we've been on for 12 hours so the lag it keeps it kind of like giving a lock on your Valley Williams game