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Episode 116 – Freezing in Florida

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Nov 13, 2018
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TL;DR

Free Play Florida coverage, Beatles pricing drama, tournament results, and pinball industry rumors.

Summary

Ron and Bruce discuss Free Play Florida 2024, a pinball tournament and show in Orlando featuring classic and modern games. The episode covers tournament results, venue issues (extreme AC temperature swings), Beatles pinball pricing strategy, Quicksilver playfield remake efforts, and various industry rumors including potential Guns N' Roses and other upcoming titles.

Key Claims

  • Soren released new Radical code that fixes bugs, removes lock stealing, and makes the game work properly

    high confidence · Ron: 'New radical code came out from Soren. Nice job, Soren. Basically fixes a ton of bugs and removes lock stealing and makes the game actually work right.' Confirmed by Bruce that it got tested at Free Play Florida tournament.

  • Free Play Florida moved to a new, larger convention center location (Caribe Royale) behind the hotel rather than inside the hotel

    high confidence · Ron discussing the show logistics: 'It wasn't like in the hotel. It was actually in the convention center behind the hotel. and the name of the place was the um caribe c-a-r-i-b-e caribe royale or caribbe that's probably a caribbe royale orlando'

  • Beatles pinball Diamond Edition costs $25,000, with Gold at $79.99 and other editions at distributor-determined pricing

    high confidence · Ron: 'The prices came out for Beatles. Yes. Do you see that? So it was like, what, $79.99 for the gold. And then the other two were just whatever the distributor wants.' Later: 'Many have been quoted the price of $25,000.'

  • Ron achieved a 69,420 score on Quick Draw McGraw as a five-ball game, which is a mythical goal among Northeast/NYC pinball players

    high confidence · Ron: 'the mystical, mythical score that we all try to get on these games of 69-420. And I did it. Totally legit. Five-ball game, 69-420.'

  • Jeff Teolis played in the Free Play Florida tournament finals with a severe knee injury and made a three-way tiebreaker for the final A-spot

    high confidence · Ron: 'Jeff Teolis managed. He had to play with his wrecked knee, of course, as we know... Shredding man. Yeah, man, shredded... he got in the finals.'

  • Asher Lefkoff won the Classics tournament and the main tournament finals, plus a charity tournament game

    high confidence · Ron: 'it was won by Asher Lefkoff. Hey, the sweep. Again, it was a total sweep because they also had a – they did what Expo does a lot, too. They had like a charity tournament on one game.'

  • Merco (playfield maker) announced they will remake Quicksilver playfields and plastics due to high demand on Pinside

Notable Quotes

  • “Basically fixes a ton of bugs and removes lock stealing and makes the game actually work right.”

    Ron Hallett @ Early in episode — Confirms Radical code update quality and specific improvements

  • “It's like a 15-degree difference in temperature. It's so annoying.”

    Ron Hallett @ Venue discussion — Summarizes the HVAC temperature swing problem at Free Play Florida

  • “These were not made for pinheads. These were made for Beatles fans.”

    Ron Hallett @ Beatles pricing discussion — Key insight into Stern's Beatles strategy and target market positioning

  • “It's totally a cash grab.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ Beatles pricing discussion — Critic assessment of Beatles tiered pricing model

  • “I'm getting Beatles. Yes, I am.”

    Bruce Nightingale (as 'Keeler') @ Late in episode — Running gag about Bruce's rock venue in Middletown getting Beatles placement

  • “The mystical, mythical score that we all try to get on these games of 69-420. And I did it. Totally legit.”

    Ron Hallett @ Tournament results — Achievement of legendary Northeast pinball score on Quick Draw

  • “That's the one thing I do like about Texas because, really, it's not how good you played. It's how much money I dumped in and got lucky on one game.”

    Ron Hallett @ Tournament format discussion — Criticism of unlimited entry tournament formats vs. capped entry systems

  • “He's not going to get Beatles. Oh, I'm getting Beatles. Yes, I am.”

    Ron & Bruce @ Late episode — Humorous disagreement about Beatles availability at Bruce's venue

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonAsher LefkoffpersonJeff TeolispersonDeborah TalmanpersonElisa ParkspersonCarl D'AngelopersonSorenpersonJosh Sharpperson

Signals

  • ?

    code_update: Soren released new Radical pinball code addressing significant bugs and removing lock stealing mechanic, improving core gameplay functionality

    high · Ron: 'New radical code came out from Soren... fixes a ton of bugs and removes lock stealing and makes the game actually work right.' Code tested successfully at Free Play Florida tournament.

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern implementing extreme tiered pricing for Beatles machine: $79.99 Gold (mass market), distributor-determined Platinum, $25,000 Diamond (luxury collector), targeting Beatles fans over pinheads

    high · Ron confirms pricing tiers and acknowledges 'This product is not meant for pinheads. It's meant for Beatles fans with money.' Estimated total package ~$70,000 based on disclosed pricing.

  • ?

    venue_signal: Free Play Florida venue experienced severe HVAC malfunction, creating 15-20 degree temperature swings (80°F outside to 60-65°F inside) causing discomfort even for heat-tolerant attendees

    high · Ron detailed experience: 'I come from 40-degree weather... 80 degrees... walk inside the convention center... like 65... they cranked it up to ridiculous levels... 60 degrees... even people usually wear shorts... were wearing sweaters like they were freezing.'

  • ?

    event_signal: Free Play Florida used format with top 24 advancing to A-division, positions 25-32 to B-division, with A-restriction preventing top 250 IFPA players from playing B, creating exclusionary structure

    high · Ron: 'top 24 go to A, and then from like 25 to – was it 32, the next eight?... unless you're in the top 250. Which you're not. Then you're booted because you're A restricted.'

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Transcript

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0:00
I'm sorry to be bothering you boys, but this is an emergency. Is your house on fire? It's Stuart. He was supposed to come home for lunch more than an hour ago. It's not like Stuart to miss lunch. I'll bet. Yeah, he's fat. I've looked all over and I can't find him. Um, maybe somebody killed him and buried him in a shallow grave. Oh, no.
0:30
What's the matter? Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Howdy-ho, neighbor-oskies. Hello there, Bruce. Welcome. How are we doing? This is episode 116, Lethal Weapon 4.
1:03
This is one... This was for more fun? Yeah, I think that none of them were lethal. Wasn't Jet Li in this? Yes, he was. I think I only saw it once. I don't remember it being good.
1:14
I think it was probably the worst of the... No, it's probably the worst of the four. Great. I think they got progressively worse, honestly. No, stop. They don't get progressively worse. Yes, they did. They're great. They're all great. Okay. Yes. So this weekend we had Free Play Florida. Yeah, you were down there with a bunch of people and I got to sit at a bar. Oh. And work my ass off because Kathy went to Canada. Oh, Canada.
1:44
So that's another person who has a passport. Yes. Yeah. Maybe it's time to get on your ass and get a passport. Well, I did, and I have one.

high confidence · Ron: 'the guy who runs Merco came on Pinside and said, I'm hearing there might be some desire for Quicksilver play fields... And a ton of people did... he's like, holy shit. I didn't know this many people wanted them. Okay, we're going to do them.'

  • Rumors suggest another Stern game release before year-end beyond Monsters, possibly a small-run title

    medium confidence · Ron: 'rumors that there's going to be another Stern game before the end of the year and not Monsters. There's going to be some, like, small run game.'

  • Guns N' Roses is rumored to be in development by Jersey Jack Pinball

    medium confidence · Ron: 'Like supposedly Guns N' Roses is going to be done by Jersey Jack.' Bruce: 'You know, Slash is pretty tight with Jack, so.'

  • The Free Play Florida venue had extreme air conditioning issues, dropping from 80°F outside to 60-65°F inside, making it too cold even for people accustomed to wearing shorts

    high confidence · Ron: 'it was actually comfortable for me, i.e., meaning probably too hot for everyone else... they must have just, they cranked it up to ridiculous levels. It had to be like 60 degrees after that, to the point where even people usually wear shorts all the time and all that were wearing sweaters like they were freezing.'

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    This Week in Pinballorganization

    market_signal: Spider-Man Black pinball machine sold by Ron, immediately relisted on Pinside at higher price within same weekend, indicating FOMO-driven secondary market volatility

    high · Ron: 'I did sell my Spider-Man. My Spider-Man Black?... It's gone?... But it's back up on Pinside for more money. Oh, it is? Yes... he bought it and immediately went to sell it? Yeah, over the weekend.'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Rumors circulating of additional Stern game before end of 2024 beyond Monsters, potentially small-run limited edition, creating speculation in community

    medium · Ron: 'rumors that there's going to be another Stern game before the end of the year and not Monsters. There's going to be some, like, small run game.' Described as unconfirmed rumor.

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Speculation that Guns N' Roses pinball machine in development by Jersey Jack Pinball based on Slash's relationship with manufacturer and existing connection as Stern distributor

    medium · Ron: 'Guns N' Roses is going to be done by Jersey Jack.' Bruce: 'Slash is pretty tight with Jack... Slash has been getting... Stern pinball machines. He originally got them from Jersey Jack.'

  • ?

    product_launch: Cosmic Carnival announced by Suncoast Pinball, shown at Free Play Florida with non-playable prototype and trailer, development status unclear

    medium · Ron: 'Cosmic Carnival. New game. Yeah, by Suncoast Pinball. It wasn't playable. They had like a trailer and they just had two machines there that you could look at. It wasn't playable yet.'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Merco playfield/plastics manufacturer responding to community demand on Pinside, committing to manufacture Quicksilver playfields and plastic reproduction due to unexpected volume of requests

    high · Ron: 'the guy who runs Merco came on Pinside and said... holy shit. I didn't know this many people wanted them. Okay, we're going to do them. We're going to wait and see. He said he's going to do plastics, too.'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Jeff Teolis played in competitive tournament finals with significant knee injury, qualified through tiebreaker, demonstrating perseverance despite pain

    high · Ron: 'Jeff Teolis managed. He had to play with his wrecked knee... hand in his... On his horribly shredded, wrecked knee... he got in the finals.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Ron expressing fatigue with repeated show circuit and game inventory, indicating potential burnout or shift in engagement with competitive/collector participation

    medium · Ron: 'I'm getting to the point with the shows, man... I've played everything that there is to play... Usually after the first day, I'm set I'm good.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Beatles tiered pricing model creating distributor conflict, with undercutting between distributors on Platinum/Diamond editions and dissatisfaction over margin compression

    medium · Ron: 'I know at least one distributor who's annoyed by that... distributors are undercutting each other big time... they're not going to make that much money off this.'

    • 1:57
    You do have one now. How'd you like that? Yeah, I just got it in the mail today. Nice. Congratulations. You finally grew up. Hey, yay. Finally grew up. It's so lame. It says to put my address in it in pencil. Who the hell has a pencil? What's a pencil? I have plenty of pencils. Go to any bar. They have pencils for quick draw.
    2:15
    See? They always think it for you. Well, there you go. Yeah, I got it. It's just like one actual thing that has an ID and another thing you're supposed to sign. The rest of it just has blank pages. What the hell is that for? When you go into a country or a European Union, they stamp it so that you can actually track when you went in. What happens when it fills up? Then you have to request another passport. That's so stupid. But wait, I've never filled one up. Some people do. I know a couple of people that did.
    2:48
    It didn't look as cool as I thought it would look, honestly. It's kind of lame. Now I'm waiting to get my birth certificate back now, so hopefully they don't screw that up. They don't. They're pretty good with that. It'll come in a different package, of course, and go from there. Yeah, that's what the pamphlet said that came with it. Yes, it does.
    3:06
    How's your mugshot? Much better than my license photo. That's good. Yeah. But what were we talking about? Oh, Freeplay Florida. Yes. But before I mention that, because this kind of ties into the whole Freeplay Florida thing. Does it? New radical code came out from Soren. Nice job, Soren. Basically fixes a ton of bugs and removes lock stealing and makes the game actually work right. How did he remove lock stealing? Because don't the locks lock on the left-hand side? Yep, he removed lock stealing. It's in the release notes. Let's go to tiltforums.com, I think it might be in there, or it might be in Pinside somewhere, under the radical group. Yeah, for people who own Radical, which there ain't too many Radicals out there. But there was a Radical in the tournament at Freeplay Florida running Soarin's new software. Nice. So it got a workout.
    4:01
    And? And everything I heard, it worked fine. Excellent. So the Freeplay Florida show takes place in Orlando. I have a question, though. Oh, yes. Did I talk about selling my pinball machine, my Spider-Man?
    4:14
    Did you? I don't know. I don't remember. I don't think so. I did sell my Spider-Man. My Spider-Man Black? Yep. My twin? Yep. It's gone? The twin is gone. But it's back up on Pinside for more money. Oh, it is? Yes. Isn't that wonderful? Oh, yeah. I laugh because it's still up there.
    4:33
    So he bought it and immediately went to sell it? Yeah, over the weekend. Oh. Wow. What about me? Oh, I just... Poor Black Spider-Man just... Not getting the love, man. No, it's not getting the love at all. That's kind of annoying.
    4:48
    That sucks. Yeah, well. What was I talking about? Free play Florida. In Orlando, Florida, they went to a new location this year. Ooh, nicer, newer, bigger? Yes. Yes, much larger, nicer location. That's what they all say. Yeah. That's what all the women say. It wasn't like in the hotel. It was actually in the convention center behind the hotel. and the name of the place was the um caribe c-a-r-i-b-e caribe royale or caribbe that's probably a caribbe royale orlando oh and the show was about this the game room was about the same size as usual the signage like i had to ask where the tournament area was because i noticed there was no tournament row in the main room and I noticed none of the tournament players that I knew were playing in the tournament were there. Like I didn't see anybody. So I knew they had to be somewhere else. So they were like in another, another room like down the hall. And then they had a, um, like seminar room and show was good. I mean, I got a, um, no one, probably no one who listens to this show would care, but the angry video game nerd was there. So I got my picture with him. That was cool. Okay. How did you do it in the tournament?
    6:13
    How do we go right to the tournament? Okay, good. The show, they had Houdini's there, a couple of Houdini's. They had a Jetson's. I'm just trying to think of anything. They had the – What was the Stern compliment looking like? They didn't really have a Stern compliment there. Older Sterns, I can't remember any older Sterns. They had a Meteor. Okay, well, that's a good one. That's one. They had Meteor. there was a row of the new Monster Bash remakes and they had like there was I think one yeah there was one Iron Maiden there was a few Deadpools other than that I mean there was no Star Wars so I was disappointed as you can imagine that's a great show already they had Mouse and Around which I love Mouse and Around I had a 77 million on Mousing Around. Wow. Like five extra balls. How long were you there? Five extra, yeah, 20 to 30 minutes playing that thing.
    7:17
    Did Dad go with you? Yeah, he was there. Good. And I'm just trying to think of anything else from note. I mean, it's kind of like, it's like a much smaller version of ReplayFX, a much smaller version of California Extreme, where there's pinball machines and video games. There's a mix.
    7:34
    Played Dragon's Lair, made it all the way through. play pole position, finished it. Did my usual video games. Played Monaco, GP. Love that game.
    7:47
    Trying to think of anything else of note. Any news or anything. I really can't think of anything. I was hoping the Beatles would be there because I think the Beatles are supposed to be at IAAPA, but I think IAAPA was after.
    8:00
    Oh, I thought it was this week. It is. It's this week. Oh, I thought it was only the week before. No. So unlike the year that I got to play Star Trek LE, I didn't get a chance to play Beatles. So I was disappointed.
    8:16
    Yeah, nice location. My only complaint is I come from 40-degree weather in Albany. You had snow like Friday. We did. We had snow Friday, Saturday, and a little bit Sunday morning. Yep. So I go to Florida, and it's like 80 degrees. It's gorgeous. It's awesome. I walk inside the convention center. It's like 60. It's like 65. It's like I have the sweater on. Then I walk outside, and it's 80 degrees. It's like a 15-degree difference in temperature. It's so annoying. And the tournament area, it was actually comfortable for me, i.e., meaning probably too hot for everyone else, when I first, on Friday, the first day. and then they must have just, they cranked it up to ridiculous levels. It had to be like 60 degrees after that, to the point where even people usually wear shorts all the time and all that were wearing sweaters like they were freezing. It was that cold. Yeah. Fail. Yeah. Hmm. So the tournament.
    9:19
    The tournament. How did you do? Shut up. It's a pump and dump, and I made the decision that I was only going to spend what I had in my wallet, which was 60 bucks. A couple of pumps. 60 bucks, which is like there's seven entries per $20.
    9:36
    So that's like 21 entries. And, I mean, they had people there that had 80 to 100 entries they played.
    9:46
    We're talking $300 to $400. Soinks! So, if I pay $300 to $400, yes, I might have been able to get in. But I was not going to pay $300 to $400. I would never do that. That's freaking crack money. There are tons of people. There should be a limit sometimes. I swear to God, there should be. Well, go to Texas and you'll have your life. I know. That's what I like about Texas. I will agree with that. That's the one thing I do like about Texas because, really, it's not how good you played. It's how much money I dumped in and got lucky on one game.
    10:15
    Yeah, you could say that. It's the truth. I know people are going to go, no, it's not right. There's too many better players than me. Then play better. But don't play better after $120 being inserted in a machine. Inserted? You say it. I said I started. They had – they did the same format they did last year, I believe, which is top 24 go to A, and then from like 25 to – was it 32, the next eight? How's my math there? My math is good. Yes, 25 to 32, the bottom eight go to B, unless you're in the top 250. Which you're not. Then you're booted because you're A restricted. And so if you don't make an A, who cares? You're done.
    11:01
    So, yeah, I'm like 300-something now. Cool. It's awesome. So I ended up, what am I? I'm looking at myself here. 44.
    11:11
    Just out of the money again. Yeah, I guess so. Well, out of B. Actually, well out of B, honestly. I agree. So they had your A division, your B division. They had Classics, which was in the tournament was, It's Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, but the Classics finals were Saturday night. And they had a women's tournament.
    11:35
    So if I go under the finals, we'll start with the women's finals first. Because now I won't screw up people. I won't screw up. Yeah.
    11:45
    Deborah Talman was first. Elisa Parks, the NYC champion, was second. Julia Newman was third. and Bobby Doubt Hit. I hope I said that right. It was fourth.
    12:01
    That's so bad. It's so bad, it's good. And then in Classics, we had... Let's see. Classics, we had...
    12:14
    And this was cool because I got to announce this. I got to announce the finals of Classics, Bruce. This was broadcast by Carl D'Angelo. So Carl knew you had the golden voice and asked you to join. No, Carl has the golden voice. He just never wants to do any announcing. I know, but he saw your potential there and jumped on the bandwagon. Yeah, he saw me sitting behind him because I was watching it on the monitor. He was the face. Yeah. So me and Escher Lefkoff's dad, as we call him, ended up announcing the classics, which ended up going to a tiebreaker for it all, which was won by Escher Lefkoff. Yes, it was. Derek Fugate was second. Mm-hmm. Joe Gnu was third. No Gnu is good Gnu. Oh, God. Like Joe Gnu. And Drew Sedolia, I hope I said that right, was fourth. Mm-hmm. And they got to play, I should go over some of the great games they got to play. Oh, boy. What? Oh, boy. Oh, boy? Oh, boy.
    13:19
    So let me go over. I didn't even say what was in the women's. The women's tournament, they got to play Demoman, Metallica, Taxi, Adam's Family, Bride of Pinbot, and The Walking Dead. Okay, that's pretty good. In classics, you had 2001, which I played that afterwards. Man, that played good. Centigrade 37.
    13:41
    Okay. DAC, whatever. Oh, Drop a Card. Harlem Globetrotters. Lost World. And Volley. You don't seem like you like any of those games. Volley I like. So in the main tournament, we had Barracora, which unfortunately died.
    14:03
    Yeah, it died midway through I think Saturday. But you were loving that if you had a good score on it.
    14:08
    Devil's Dare. Dracula. Bram Stoker's Dracula. Ooh. Jack's Open. Grand Prix, or as you call it. Grand Prick. Yep. Quick Draw.
    14:23
    Quick Draw McGraw. Radical. Walking Dead. World Cup Soccer. The good one. TX Sector. And X-Men. Now, in the Quick Draw, I had a very cool score on that game.
    14:40
    I did it. The goal that we all have in the Northeast area, the Orange County area, I think the New York City people all have that goal, that mystical, mythical score that we all try to get on these games of 69-420. And I did it. Totally legit. Five-ball game, 69-420. I liked your other score better. What was my other score? Well, I didn't understand that. When you sent that picture up on the Slam Tilt podcast, it showed it as a two-player game. You mean on our Instagram, which I posted a ton to? Yes. it showed your score of 69-420 and then the second player was 0-0-0-0 but where's the light between the player 1 and player 2?
    15:27
    Light? It wasn't a two player game. I only played one player. But the problem is the light was on for player 2. Yeah I noticed that. I have no idea why that was light. I thought you actually got exactly 100,000. Oh. Or 0. That would be tough. That would be tilting five balls straight. That would be really tough. Although someone, I believe, did tilt on volley. Yeah, Josh Sharp had a score of zero on volley. Wow, he's pretty good. He's impressive, huh? Yeah, that guy's going to go second place more times than ever. I like how on the Never Drain site, it must not be able to display a zero. So they had him a score of one for that game. Wow. Yeah.
    16:10
    So those were the games. Okay. So in B Division, we'll go to the B Division file. The B Division, I'm not exactly sure when they finished.
    16:21
    I think it was Sunday they played. Oh, my God. Okay, I didn't realize. Okay, the winner was Sunshine Bond, first place in B, and then we had a three-way tie for second.
    16:33
    So it ended up being Phil Harmon in second, Joe Ganu in third, and Scott. Joe Ganu. Yep, it's Scott Mount in fourth.
    16:42
    Okay. All right. So I announced in the Classics final, and we announced the very end of the qualifying for Saturday, and it ended up a three-way tie for the final spot in A between Fred Richardson, Jeff Teolis, and Der Fugate. All three of those players are in the top 250. Okay. So basically only one person gets in, the rest go home.
    17:07
    Okay. Okay, so... Jeff Teolis managed. He had to play with his wrecked knee, of course, as we know. How did he even do it? I don't know how he barely even made it up to the game. It's just incredible. The pain he must have been going through. The torment. So it ended up being a dare-for-got-they one. So he got in the finals. Jeff Teolis was sitting there with his hand in his... On his knee. On his horribly shredded, wrecked knee. Shredding man. Yeah, man, shredded.
    17:40
    So the finals went somewhat long. The show ends at 4. The finals went on until at least 4.30. And it was won by Asher Lefkoff. Hey, the sweep. Again, it was a total sweep because they also had a – they did what Expo does a lot, too. They had like a charity tournament on one game. Whoever the highest score won, he won that, too. Yikes. So he basically won everything you could win. And they had to haul ass and get out quickly because they had a flight, like a 6 o'clock flight, and they had to just get out of there. So they weren't even there for, like, the award ceremony. It's like, here's the trophy, money, thank you, goodbye. Get out. So then there was a tie for second.
    18:24
    So Drew Sedolia won with Carl D'Angelo third. Hi, Carl. And props to Carl for the awesome, just the incredibly awesome stream. He had his wireless rig there, which I was marveling at, with this whole rig he had. He would just roll it from machine to machine. So we're going to get that now? Oh, just the headphones he had, too. I put the headphones he's got on. I mean, there's actual bass on these things. I'm like, whoa. I feel like I'm in the big time now or something. Whoa. And Jim Belsito was fourth.
    18:59
    Oh, wow. Hi, Jim. We need to get him on. Jim Belsito. I'll make it so. I'll make it so, number two. That was the finals. Cool.
    19:09
    Let's see. What else do I have on my – you just sent me something. I did. That's for later on. It's for later on. But you know what? It on the new Skype so it might take me 10 minutes to actually find it It on the lower left side I got it I got it Good boy Okay I got you Did we ever mention the Quicksilver play field situation
    19:31
    Yeah, we're trying to remake them. We've been trying. Basically, the guy who runs Merco came on Pinside and said, I'm hearing there might be some desire for Quicksilver play fields. If anyone wants them, let me know in this thread. And a ton of people did. Yeah, a ton of people. And he's like, holy shit. I didn't know this many people wanted them. Okay, we're going to do them. We're going to wait and see. He said he's going to do plastics, too. Oh, that would be freaking sweet. Especially that one plastic that's usually broke, which actually isn't broke on ours. I know it's not. The center one. I put protectors on it, so hopefully it will never break. So we'll have to split the cost on that one, won't we?
    20:08
    Yeah, you can do the swap. I'll do the swap, too. You have swapping experience. Oh, my. I love swapping. So that was Freeplay Florida I don't know if any big I don't think any big news items came up Hmm? Nah, I don't know Did you have a good time? Sure I don't know Honestly, I'm getting to the point with the shows, man I've played everything that there is to play Everything? Every single game? Everything there is to play Usually after the first day, I'm set I'm good You should have went to the amusement park what which one well you're in Orlando so you have Universal what's Universal wants I would never go to Disney I hate Disney I like Disney for certain things like what Epcot I love Epcot and I like you know Magic Kingdom because then you can go into the roller coaster in Magic Kingdom the what's it called the one that's in the dark yes yes that's cool it's it's God, what's the name of it? Something Mountain. Space Mountain. Yeah, I love Space Mountain. And I like Epcot. So Epcot's cool. Honestly, the only parts of Disney I liked, I liked the animal one. Nope, hated it. The animal park. Hated it. Okay, good. And Disney Quest, which isn't there anymore.
    21:37
    That was it. Disney Quest was okay. The games were getting beat when I went there. Eh, I went there earlier. and I hadn't played any of the old arcade games in years when I went there. So I was like, holy shit. Yeah, that is a good thing. Other than that, it's just not my thing. Everything's got to have a story, which is just like, I just want to ride the ride. It's like, instead of the Tower of Terror, it's a Twilight Zone Tower of Terror where everything is like, just put me in the thing and drop me. I don't need all this stupid story. You need to go with Bruce. You need to have more fun on the lines making fun of people. Yeah, in lines, waiting two hours to go on, like, Magic Kingdom, waiting two hours to go on a friggin' safari with, like, fake animals and shit. Like, it was so boring. No. God, I just hated Disney. Sorry.
    22:27
    All right. Now that I put down Disney, and everything there was Disney, too. Just, like, Disney everywhere. Ugh. Enough. Ugh. Yes, I agree.
    22:37
    Okay, piece of news. Really? We've got a lot of news already? Wow, okay. Why not? Because there's not much news other than the Beatles and a shit ton of rumors.
    22:49
    So the prices came out for Beatles. Yes. Do you see that? So it was like, what, $79.99 for the gold. And then the other two were just whatever the distributor wants.
    23:04
    Yep. That really makes no sense at all. Well, one thing to remember. These were not made for pinheads. These were made for Beatles fans.
    23:17
    Okay. So when you go buy, you know, let's say you wanted to buy a headset for your head. A headset for my head instead of my ass? Okay. That's good. Okay. You want one for your ass. That's up to you. That would be an ass set. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So that's why I said a headset. Yeah. So if you wanted to get one of those, and there were three different levels, and one was $29.99, and then this one had super bass like you wanted, and it said, call for price. Wouldn't you be annoyed by that?
    23:49
    Yeah, I know at least one distributor who's annoyed by that. Which one's that? I can't say that. But I know as far as the distributors are going, they're undercutting each other big time. Of course they are. Because, yeah. So they're not going to make that much money off this. Oh, poor babies. So at least one of them is not happy.
    24:13
    I was expecting $25,000 even though I paid $9,000 for it or $7,000 or whatever. There was somewhere listed somewhere how much it was for the whole package, wasn't it? I don't remember. I thought I read it on a site somewhere. It was like $70,000 or something like that for the whole thing. Maybe I have that wrong. I thought it was $70,000 because each one had to get, what, seven golds? Yes, two. Two platinums and one diamond. Yeah. So let's do the math, folks. Let's break out our calculators, as people are probably already doing in their heads. It's not that hard, you idiot. Yeah, it is. Yeah, times seven, we got $56,000 list. So that leaves you the $14,000. Okay. they were saying there's going to be $12,500 for the Platinums and $25,000 for the Diamonds. Yeah. So you could do the math. If they are actually paying $70,000 for all of them, how much they actually are, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. I remember reading that somewhere. I think it's a bad plan by Stern. It's a cash grab. Oh, it's totally a cash grab. And it puts a bad taste in people's mouths.
    25:30
    I mean, I'm not going to disagree. but it's like it's not for pinheads. This product is not meant for pinheads.
    25:39
    It's not. It's meant for Beatles fans with money. That's the way I look at it. I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to buy one.
    25:49
    I agree. Neither am I. So, but the Diamond Edition, I'm at thisweekinpinball.com. Hi, Jeff. Where we have Diamond Vision. Diamond Vision? No, Diamond Edition, the most expensive new pinball ever.
    26:08
    Let's see. Many have been quoted the price of $25,000. Again, not for us, folks. Not for us. Fail. And they are coming with coin doors.
    26:22
    Yes, they are. Anything else on Beatles? If you want to learn more about the Beatles art, You can listen to this week's Head to Head Pinball Podcast. I had somebody message me saying last time, last episode, I was a little hard on the artwork. I wasn't hard on Chris Franchi's artwork. You said hard on? Hard on the color. I don't like teal. Never was a teal fan, so it kind of is a lot of teal. Wow. Big anti-teal sentiment. Yeah. Even cars from the 50s and 60s that have teal and white or teal. This doesn't do anything for me. It's cool to some people. Just by not. So what is teal? The blue color? Like a light bluish, medium blue. I don't have any problem with that. I do. I don't like the coloring. Artwork is incredible. Just don't like the coloring. That's why I didn't like any of them because they do have the base color of that.
    27:16
    Honestly, I like the gold cabin at the best just because it had the most action. It's like more of an action shot, if you will, on the side. The action to action.
    27:27
    Yeah. Art's good. It's Sea Witch. I'm sure it'll probably play great. You'll be looping that loop all day long until the magnet stops and drops it down or whatever. And the whole shot underneath the upper flipper, it's actually going to drop behind. It's going to be underneath the plastic and come down to the in lane.
    27:48
    Did you know that? Nope. Yeah, you can see it. Someone, I think it was Tommy from This Flippin' Podcast that noticed that. If you knock down the targets and you hit the standoff, it actually can drop down underneath the plastic, and there's like an outlet for it where it comes down to the in lane on the left side.
    28:10
    Cool, huh? Okie dokie. Yeah, cool, man. Yeah, like radical. Radical. I don't know. How many games have a ball that actually goes under the plastic?
    28:22
    Spectrum. There's one. Yeah. Enough said. Hey, Spectre's okay. The truth. You admit it. Admit it. And then the rest of the news is basically just tons of rumors.
    28:39
    Yeah. Like rumors that there's going to be another Stern game before the end of the year and not Monsters. There's going to be some, like, small run game.
    28:50
    Can't wait for my new Quicksilver. Oh, sorry. Did I say that? Your new Quicksilver. Oh, is it going to be Quicksilver? Maybe a new Quicksilver in my future. A new Quicksilver? Yeah, new, new, new. Are we going to that yet? We can go there eventually. Eventually. More rumors, more rumors. Just lots of rumors. I'm sick of rumors. Like supposedly Guns N' Roses is going to be done by Jersey Jack.
    29:13
    Yeah. You know, Slash is pretty tight with Jack, so. He is. I mean, I could see that. The thing you've got to remember, a lot of these guys, Jersey Jack was one Stern's main distributor. Yeah. And they know him from then. Like, Slash has been getting, like, Stern pinball machines. He originally got them from Jersey Jack. Yes, he did. So, I don't find it. Though, it doesn't really go along with their family-friendly game themes.
    29:43
    I don't think. Is it going to be family-friendly, Guns N' Roses? Once in a while, you break the rules. Once in a while, you break the rules, okay.
    29:51
    So, yeah, Guns N' Roses, and then the other games, which we already knew, like Toy Story and Willy Wonka, which we've heard 30 zillion times.
    30:00
    There's a Jill Balser interview on Pitball Profile this week, which I was there just as Jeff uploaded it. He was editing all weekend.
    30:11
    He's a hardworking man. He is. I mean, with that knee, playing in the tournament, editing the podcast, real trooper there.
    30:20
    Let's see. Oh, another news item. This was actually F replay Florida. Cosmic Carnival. New game. Yeah, by Suncoast Pinball. It wasn't playable. They had like a trailer and they just had two machines there that you could look at. It wasn't playable yet.
    30:38
    So we'll have to see what happens with that. That was it. That was it for news. I mean, most of them are just rumors, rumors, rumors, and Beatles, Beatles, Beatles. until I play a Beatles, you know, which I'm trying to think, when the hell am I going to get a chance to play Beatles? I mean, I don't live in New York City, so, you know, like Sunshine or one of those places will have it because they buy it. Well, I know, Ron, I am the rock center of Middletown. Oh, so you think, okay. I'm going to get every rock game to pass. You think Steve Keeler is going to get Beatles? I don't think so.
    31:11
    The horns will be up. You really think you'll get Beatles? The Beatles. No. Beatles was my first band ever. No, I think he's going to – well, he had the Iron Maiden Pro launch party, Iron Maiden Premium launch party. I think he should have the Iron Maiden LE launch party, and then he could have the Iron Maiden Topper launch party.
    31:34
    So just get that going. Well, you know, Ron, with my horns, you know, I'm going to – Hi, Steph, I'm going to give you my horns right now. Okay, okay. Still got this one. That's a bad, bad keeler, by the way. Oh, no, it's not. No, no, no. It's not. No, no. He's not going to get Beatles. Oh, I'm getting Beatles. Yes, I am. Well, I'll ask him this weekend. How's that? Next to Megadeth. Next to Megadeth?
    32:00
    There's a Megadeth pinball machine? I'm unaware of this. There's going to be other bands. You watch. I'm going to keep starting business for 50 years. Oh, please. Is this going to be a new thing now, the keeler segment? Please tell me it's not going to be. Oh, yeah. Oh. Jesus Christ.
    32:18
    But when am I going to get to play it? I don't go down to New York City. I mean, what's the next show?
    32:26
    You know? Maybe California. You were talking about California. What, Indisc? You think they'll have one? Oh, yeah, they should by then. They're just going to spring for it and like, yeah, we're going to have Beatles here. It never rains in Southern California. No, it never drains in Southern California. It never rains also, they say. That's true. All right. Maybe that'll be my first chance. I don't know.
    32:50
    I mean, I could play Sea Witch anytime. Why are you going to come see me this weekend, Ron? We'll get into that. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I'll just get back on my heavy metal kick right now. Yeah, heavy metal kick. So, Beatles, the 24-hour, the points were posted. Yes, yes, they were. The IPA points were posted. And, you know, the thing that I noticed is the person who won it, It was listed. It didn't say suppressed player. And it counted towards his numbers. Yeah, and I went to the front page of IFPA, and he's on there now. Bowen is no longer suppressed. So I guess he's taking that IFPA points thing seriously. I guess the dollar thing isn't a huge hang-up now, or maybe he's happier with the weather. I have no idea. But, I mean, he was one of the main, like, you know, dissenters and suppressed me, and now he's back on the leaderboard.
    33:49
    All right, next thing I have. Remember when I mentioned the Flintstones porn game? Gabba Dabba Doo. Yeah, that they had that in the promo spot for the show for Expo, and I said I didn't remember it actually being there, and I was hoping that it wasn't there. It was there. So it was a family-friendly show. Family-friendly show that has a back glass with, you know, Fred and Barney getting blowjobs. What a great thing.
    34:18
    Total fail. I'm outraged. We should be banning the pinball expo now. That's just so bad. How can you do that? If we have Monkey Gate, we should have blowjob gates. Well, I can't believe no one brought that up, too. You have Monkey Gate. That is just as bad, if not worse. That's actually worse because they're swapped. They're actually swapped.
    34:43
    Either way, that's like – We'll just give Barney – Yes, enough, enough, enough. But why? Why? Why would you do that? And it's not like they don't know. It's like this is a very special Flintstones. It's like right in the – yeah, yeah, it's very special. All right. But why is there no outrage from that? Because nobody noticed it. I know, but that's – I didn't notice it either. I want to have the outrage starting this week. So you're just pissed that the outrage didn't start at the proper time. Exactly. Bruce demands correct timing with outrage. Yes. All right.
    35:17
    Because guess what? It is an outrage. It is. Why do they do that? Okay. On to the next thing. How about we go to what you just sent me?
    35:26
    Oh. For sale. This is on Pinside. Hi, Dennis. Oh, you know who this is? No. I'm just because Dennis says we rack up the pricing on all these early sterns. Oh, from the Eclectic Pinball. Okay. Yes. Hi, Dennis. So, okay, there's a Quicksilver for sale. It was for sale. It went really fast. Oh, it already sold. You're right. It's a Project Quicksilver. Yes, it is. Went for sale 15 hours ago, non-functional, already sold. Yep.
    35:58
    The price, well, I doubt this is what it actually got because it does say your best offer, but it was put up for a price of $5,000. and it's already gone back glass is peeling oh yeah at the bottom playfield has some a little more wear than them not bad it's fixable everything looks like it's there it looks the cabinet doesn't look that bad underneath doesn't look that bad you're giving your review of it when you can't buy it No. Although knowing Pinside, it'll probably end up back up here. It'll be back up here in a couple weeks. In a couple weeks. Now it'll be working Quicksilver, $7,000.
    36:46
    So yeah, that's pretty wow. Wow. So that's a quick Quicksilver, if you will. It is. That was bad. Very bad. So let's go on to the mail ball bag. Yeah. Which we have some funny stuff this week. At least one mistake we've made. Boo-boo, if you will.
    37:12
    Hey, boo-boo, what's going on? We're going to reach into the ball bag. This is from, let me scroll to the bottom. Wow, there's a lot of pictures on here. Jim Burrell, hello.
    37:26
    This is, just saw a new episode of my queue. I listened to it on my drive to work in the morning. Would you operate Dialed In at the Silver Ball Saloon, Bruce?
    37:37
    No. Why not? Too much money to buy. Okay. I'd like to operate a game like Beatles for the ease of cleaning, but I can't see my customers paying more to play three games of Beatles than they do to play three games of Metallica.
    37:52
    Agreed? Agreed. Okay. Another suggestion for our next series, Hitchcock Movies. The titles make excellent show titles. All right. I can do that. Or do MST3K episode movie titles.
    38:07
    Mm-hmm. You mentioned Time Shock, Pinball a few episodes back. Time Shock has a cooperation mode like TNA. Holding the left flipper before starting a game activates it.
    38:19
    Is that going to have a real Time Shock? Was that what we were talking about? Yes. All right. He has some pictures of games he played. I love the Orange Day, Episode 114. Hey, sir, you got that wrong. It's Oregon Day. Oren Day. Okay. Nice guy. Good information insight into the making of the games You two are awesome Thanks again for another episode Thank you Thank you very much Let see We got one from Robert Byers Hey, Robert. He's feeling my pain at the sanctum. Ron, I feel you in the horrible pinball. You sound like you had the same situation as me at Pinberg. House balls galore and couldn't make any shots. At some point, you're like, dude, do I even pinball? Thanks, Robert. Robert, where's your player number? Fail. Fail, fail.
    39:15
    All right. The next one we have is from Andrew Clark. Hi, Andrew. And we have, he says, so I've been catching up on the back catalog, working through the late 70s at the moment, episode 70s. I didn't think you were that old.
    39:34
    Like I said, episode 70s. And there's some fun dualities that are happening on your current episodes, like last year's Expo versus this year's Expo, or Raymond Davidson being a guest a year apart. But then I thought I heard something familiar at the start of episode 113, 114, and 115. I guess you had to run out of material eventually. It seems like, Bruce, we already did Lethal Weapon.
    40:01
    Hmm? Yeah, we did Lethal Weapon already. And we're doing it again. That's cool. No, it's not. How did we screw that up? We're redoing episodes. Well, we have to blame Eric for that one. Oh, because, oh, which Eric? Which Eric Russell? Eric Russell. Eric Russell's CMY because he didn't send us a spreadsheet anymore. He didn't send us a spreadsheet to tell us what we were doing? Okay. You got it. So what Andrew did is he spliced together the 74, 75, and 76 episodes with the 113, 114, and 115 episodes.
    40:36
    So now I have the perfect thing that we have to do. What? We have to edit all the past episodes. What do you mean edit all the past episodes? We have to re-record the whole episodes with a new beginning so we can't be considered fraudulent with movies. Or we'll just redo them all. They'll be the new upgraded 2.0 versions, or the remasters. Ooh, sounds so exciting. Yeah, it'll be surround sound. You'll be surrounded by Ron and Bruce. Oh. Yeah. So I'm going to play these. I'll splice them in so it'll sound better for our listeners. But for the edification of Bruce, here we go. And welcome to episode 113, Lethal Weapon. And this is episode 114, Lethal Weapon 2. Well, this is episode 116, Lethal Weapon 3.
    41:30
    The best thing about this movie is that they made the pinball machine off it. Wow. So we really do repeat ourselves, don't we? Yes, we do. But at least your cadence and your tone stays exactly the same. It's the same. That's why I was so good at doing overdubs when I would sing. I mean, I sing it so alike there's almost phasing. It's great.
    41:57
    That's somewhat embarrassing. That's embarrassing. I'm trying to see. I think I got messages also. So you can keep on going, and I'm going to go into our messages. Thank you, Andrew. Yeah, that was quite funny. Yeah. That was, yeah. Not that.
    42:13
    Oh, we have Jim Burrell again. Has some guest suggestions. Please interview Clay Harrell, the father of Pinball Podcast. Since the questions you asked guests are similar to what he did, you could ask these other questions of the other, and effectively your fans would have an interview of you too. If you do, then share the files with Clay, and each of you add your own bumpers and upload them to both Slam Tilt and TopCast. I don't think there's been anything uploaded to TopCast in like 10 years. No. The funny thing is, here's a little known fact, although I think I've mentioned this on the show before. If you listen to TopCast, you will hear me at least twice. Yep, you've said that. Yeah, because I did Triumph the Insult Dog, like, intro, and I did a Krusty the Clown intro, which we know my Krusty's terrible, right? Yeah, I got it. Ugh, screw you. And then we have, Jim also says, I'd also like an interview with Tim Arnold, the ancestor of Pinball Podcast. My favorite video of his is the System 1 Super Show. I don't know, Tim scares me. He's pretty mean.
    43:17
    Yeah, I don't think he has time and patience to spend three hours with us. It's a little ornery. I attempted to talk to him when we were at the Pinball Hall of Fame. He's like, no, I'm not busy.
    43:29
    Yeah. Okay. So thank you, Jim. Nice. The other one is a review for the Silver Ball Saloon. Yep. Great atmosphere and service. A great place to relax and have fun with friends. I'm not making this up. Thank you, Sarah. Five-star review. Yep. Damn. I mean, this place sounds great. Where is this place again, Bruce? In East Rochester, New York, 135 West Commercial Street. Open Tuesday through Sunday.
    44:01
    And are you on the web, Bruce? I am on the interweb. And whereabouts can I find you? www.silverballsaloon.com.
    44:13
    Like I would just put that one in there. There you go. I have one message on Facebook. Okay. From A.K.S.E.L. Holland.
    44:26
    Axel. He writes, thank you for the great podcast. The interview with Oren was excellent. So nice that you let him get space to tell his story without interrupting him. And then he puts in like little quotations like most podcasters do. Oh. I didn't say it. He did. As a side note, I got his stars because of you guys, and you are right. Fantastic game that kicks your ass.
    44:52
    Thank you. You know, Stern should really owe us all the stars that have sold because of us, although they're not really getting any money from it. Not at all. No. Never mind. Yeah.
    45:05
    Let's see. I think that was it. There's Spotify now, and we got an email message for Spotify for podcasters. Yeah, we're not on Spotify.
    45:17
    Yeah. I assume that's more work I would have to do. Yeah. But I'll say... You can submit your RSS feed. We have, like... So many people followed us on Instagram. I mean, before I even posted anything. But, man, as soon as I started posting stuff, wow, the floodgates opened. Instagram is, like, the thing. Mm-hmm. We're cool. Yeah, sure. We're so cool.
    45:42
    We're so cool, it's chilly. Mm-hmm. I also did a stream this past – when did I do it? Monday? Was it Monday or Tuesday? I don't remember what day I did it, but I did a stream of the – dialed in the new beta code. Okay. 1.56, and unfortunately, I suck too bad to really show off all the features. I didn't think you showed any off. That's how bad you suck. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say that out loud? Bite me, asshole. Oh. I couldn't get to the – I don't swear wrong. Do you notice how when I make a comment to Ron, maybe a little constructive, I always get swears back from him. When he criticizes me, I never swear at him. I think Ron has some more anger issues lately. So like I was saying, I was playing it, and I couldn't get – I guess there's another multiball now, like the theater multiball, but I couldn't get enough whatever, hurry-ups or whatever to start that. they finally did the one thing that I was really harping on all the animations are there now like the characters when they come up on the phone they all actually move they don't just freeze frame sometimes they all actually move the cool thing is about 40 minutes into the stream when I of course was having a good game because this never happens during a shitty game it rebooted on me cool huh? zoinks it's right on stream it just does a hard reset boom just reboots and it wasn't like, I don't think I even hit anything or any particular shot. It just literally off it went. Damn Linux. Yeah. So I think I had one decent game and that was it. It was so bad I didn't even upload it to YouTube. I didn't feel it warranted it. It's still on our Twitch channel if you want to see it. But I just, I couldn't really unlock any of the awesomeness of the game.
    47:39
    That's things. Yep. I suck. Did you see who died today? Two people died today. I'm sure way more than two people died today, Bruce. Well, two important people. Okay, so only two important people died today. Okay. Yep, two famous important people. Famous important. Well, being famous doesn't make you important, but okay. Stan Lee died. Oh. Oh, see, that's important, right? Yes, especially related to our podcast being that we did Marvel. Exactly. Bummer. How old was he? Ninety-five. All right. They didn't wrap in enough bubble wrap. He had a good life. He lived well into the bonus round, as I like to say. He did, yes. And then the second one, the voice of Hal died. The voice of Hal? Yeah. Who was the voice of Hal? I forgot his name. Give me two seconds. I've got to get his name. I'm afraid you didn't have that information, Dave. No, I did not have that information, Dave. I'm afraid I'm going to have to cut off your oxygen and kill you.
    48:40
    Come on, Dave. Where's that info? What's my name? Douglas Rain. Yep. Douglas Rain. How could you not get that right? I was 90 years old. I also lived into the bonus round. You did. Hmm. So Hal is dead. He was a Canadian actor.
    48:59
    It's funny. He didn't sound Canadian. I'm afraid I found you out, Dave. Is that what you think he was going to say? Hey.
    49:10
    If he sounded like the McKenzie's or something, that would have been funny, Hal. That'd be great, though. Sorry, I'm afraid I can't do that, eh?
    49:23
    Okay. Oh, man. Do we have anything else? I'm trying to think. I haven't had time for repairs. I've been too busy going to shows. I've got a lot. I have... You got some repairs? I do. All right. What do we got for repairs? Clue us in.
    49:42
    AFM. I have to replace the optos on my kickers because once in a while, he keeps on firing my pop bumper. Not my pop bumper. My up kick for the hole, for the kick out hole for Martian and for the... The stroke of luck hole? There you go. I don't even own the game. so uh yeah i have to replace the outdoors and that i resoldered them it's getting better it got a lot better once in a while just i'll be downstairs or somebody playing the game and they'll hear the guys like getting two shots at once and getting points for it so it's like uh what else did i fix this week uh we have a broken ramp on elvis the welds broke that's a common problem Does that get any play at Elvis? It's going to be gone soon. I guess that answers that. We're bringing another game in, in place of it. And it's one of my favorites. Not. But I like the game. I appreciated the game. You appreciate it, but it's not one of your favorites. Okay. I appreciate the game more now. And the game is what? Oh, you'll find out. We'll talk about that when it comes in. Because it could ever change. It could always change. It's not mine. Okay.
    51:04
    What else did I replace this week? Oh, I had a good one. Nine ball. Customer comes up to me and goes, oh, nine ball, right flipper died.
    51:14
    I'm like, okay, that's kind of weird, but I'm going to go up there and look. And the flipper bat was all the way down, completely pointed like at a six, about a seven o'clock angle. Pointed almost right towards the drain hole, the out hole.
    51:30
    I'm like, what the hell happened here? so I turned it off, lift the thing up. The link actually broke, and the whole shaft popped right out.
    51:40
    Bummer. Yeah, so luckily I had a kit in stock. Next day, replaced it, did some adjusting, and we're good to go.
    51:50
    But they are different, those kits, compared to the originals, as Scott has complained about in the past.
    52:00
    Define different. What's wrong with them? on the back of the plate where the shaft for the flipper back goes through,
    52:10
    on the originals, they're machined flat. And on the other ones, the ones that are now being sold, there's a little height difference. So what happens is when you push that all the way up, you still have a little space. You don't have, you know, it's a little lower. So when you engage the flipper bat, you know, the flipper to go up, there's the catch where the link would hit that piece of metal.
    52:37
    Well, there's that little space, and it actually rides over that plate. So you have to bend and modify the plate a little bit more and put some washers in just to make it so the link part when you engage the flipper does not go past that.
    52:51
    I'm trying to picture what you just said. I would need a visual. Okay. Maybe I'll take pictures of it next time I'm into it. Put them up on our Instagram. I don't have the access. I leave that to you. Yeah, I offered to send the stuff to you. You never want it. Nope. I got enough to fucking worry about. What else did I repair this week?
    53:17
    A couple faulty switches. Indiana Jones. I got somebody who wants to buy my Indiana Jones or trade me. Please, take it. Take it. Oh, trade for what? Monster Bash. Oh, yes, definitely. Do that. Do it. Mm-hmm.
    53:36
    So I might be doing that. Our local guy who had bought the Deadpool traded it for a Guardians of the Galaxy.
    53:48
    Okay. Yep. What does that have to do with the bar? Nothing, but he comes in on the bar all the time. He's like, hey, I got rid of my thing. I'm like, oh, wow, what'd you get? Guardians.
    53:58
    Okay. Not liking the Deadpool. He did not like the Deadpool enough to keep it. Ah. So, other than that, that's about it. We're starting a new league, I think, in a couple weeks. We're going to have a winter Friday night league where you actually come out and play. If you can make it through the snow, you can play in the league, yeah. Well, you can miss two nights. That's the best thing about it. And you come and you play five games. You can play the five games twice. Your best score counts.
    54:31
    And then you go against other players, and you can play any time that whole Friday. So it's kind of nice. You can come in, just do your thing, and go out.
    54:40
    So you're not really playing head-to-head? No. All right. It's like a high-score competition during the day. Ah, okay.
    54:47
    Pretty cool. I like that. How have you been, Ron? We never asked Ron how he's doing. Okay. Because Ron is not doing anything. It's the same old, same old. Same old, same old. This weekend, though, I will be going to the Rock Fantasy Fall Open. Yes, sir. We're going to be doing some rocking and rolling. Yep. Fall Open. Fall Open, rocking and rolling. Yep.
    55:17
    And it'll be match play, the way it always is. Our own Waparelli is going to be the tournament director. We'll have my megaphone ready to go. So we'll be playing all the wonderful games of rock fantasy, and I will get to play Star Wars, finally.
    55:34
    Best game ever. No, not the best game ever. I'm sure he would never say that. But that'll be this weekend. It's listed as the 12 o'clock start time, so I'm guessing that's right. Best game ever from Stern, not rock related. Okay.
    55:53
    I got a stumper for you, Bruce. That starts with S. I got a stumper for you. Oh, boy. I haven't even thought of one of these for a while. This is an actual stumper because I don't know the answer. Okay, let's go. And if you could come up with anything better, you'll get what I... The first game with a plastic ramp.
    56:14
    So fully plastic. I don't mean like, you know, like Xenon where it's like a metal ramp that goes to a plastic tube. No, an actual plastic ramp.
    56:24
    Space shuttle. That's what we came up with. Yeah, that's what I come up with also. And we can't think of anything earlier, and there's got to be something earlier. There's got to be like a 50s game that has one or something. No, I'm actually thinking maybe not Space Shuttle. It could maybe be a Zachariah. That's also what I said, because they love plastic. They did love plastic. I couldn't think of anything. I'm thinking now. That could be. I think a Zachariah might beat it, actually.
    56:48
    I mean, I thought of stuff like Robot and things because it's got a plastic thing. But Robot came out after Space Shuttle. And even that, I don't think it's an actual ramp. It's like a thing that goes, like you go up a ramp, and then it just traverses this little path that's plastic.
    57:08
    So if any of our listeners know of something, a fully plastic ramp, and know that you can have a metal flap riveted on it, but the actual ramp needs to be plastic. If you know of anything earlier than Space Shuttle. Yeah, I'm thinking Space Shuttle or Zachariah. The only two I can think of. Let us know at our email address, slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com.
    57:34
    Any stumpers for me? I didn't know we were doing this again. Exactly. How do you like it when things get spring on you? Yeah, get sprung on you. That's what I was doing during the broadcast. Springs are fun. When I was doing during the broadcast, I'd bring up useless information. Like you're playing TX Sector. TX, TX, TX. And I'm like, this is one of the, I don't know, two or three games that had the Vitagraph play fields that they experimented with. They had that one, and they did Diamond Lady also.
    58:03
    See Cool little useless knowledge And where did that get you I don know I sure his dad liked it Because he doesn really know any of the history He's in it just to play. He's in it for the tournaments, baby. Hey.
    58:21
    Okay, no Soccer Kings. Soccer Kings? I'm looking at that right now. No, Soccer Kings doesn't. He's going through all the Zachariahs trying to find them. I am. Because Zachariah, they did like plastic. They did. If anyone would have an all-plastic ramp, they would have it. That's what I was thinking. They also had, like, that elevated shooter lane thing that they used on almost every game.
    58:45
    No locomotion, no. No locomotion? Locomotion, they didn't have one on that. I guarantee you there's, like, a... There's probably one for the 50s or something. It's like a 50s Gottlieb or something like that. Farfalla is metal. Well, that's one thing I forgot to mention. Free Play Florida, they had a kick-ass pre-war collection there.
    59:11
    Fight me! Those are awesome. That's how me and my father ended up the show, playing those. We played Fleet Junior, the same game Zach has. It's awesome.
    59:22
    I had 12,500 on it, bitch. There is skill. Bruce is not into the history of pinball. Wow. Okay. Time Machine, maybe? Time Machine. Oh, God. That game. Now we start with the really bad English, like, scary. That gives me nightmares, that game. That actually has a plastic ramp. It does? It does. Around the outer. You shoot the plunger, and it goes right into the plastic ramp, all the way around the play field. You shoot the plunger. That's usually what you do with a plunger. But what year is Time Machine? 83.
    60:04
    I'm trying to get a better picture of it because it's lit up also in the back. Let me get a better picture because is that considered a ramp if it's just like, it's more like above the playfield subway. I don't think you can see. Like, does it actually go up or does it just meet it? It meets it. Yes. I don't know.
    60:21
    I don't know. There's plastic all the way around. It's not like it's hard. Is it hard plastic? It's very hard. Did you look at it? Did you look at my hard plastic? I'm looking it up now. I'm trying to get a higher def playfield picture here. That's my harder plastic.
    60:43
    So inappropriate. Wow, for once we actually have an under playfield pic. Here we go. Okay, I thought this was a good picture.
    60:58
    Is it off the shooter? or can you like actually... I think it's off the shooter. I thought you could flip into it though. Maybe. If you flip into it, then it would be... Yeah, then you're closer there. Let's see. What do we got? Here we go.
    61:12
    Wow, you know, I'm looking at it. Look at the right side where it says time bridge. I know, I'm going to go back to it. That looks plastic to me. That's what I was thinking. It's all red. The whole thing looks plastic. I know. And I know you can hit it around the thing. Yeah, I think it's a possibility. I just can't tell you if it's metal at the bottom of it. No, look at it. It's red. Unless they painted it red. Yeah, I think I got a winner. I think we might have a winner.
    61:43
    I mean, we'll need to, I guess if there's one at Indisc, since they have a whole Zachariah collection, I can confirm. Since you are going?
    61:52
    Yes. Did anybody come up to you and say, hey, you're the famous Ron Howlett at Freeplay Florida? Not the famous, but yes There's some people who recognize me Oh, he's world famous Yeah, world famous I'm world famous, Bruce Here's a better picture, actually Which picture is that one on there? It's not red in this one But I think This one, it does look metal That's what I thought Yeah So maybe not Damn it see that's why I saw that now we start even the artwork is creepy it is this game scares me I could never own this game I'd be terrified it would come to life what game did I say that was again I lost it which one was it what time machine thank you I lost it because I was going to look for other games still looking back further You lost it. You forgot the game we were talking about a minute ago. Yes, because I was trying to look at other stuff. What?
    63:01
    What's my name? I think it's all plastic. I really do. With this other picture, it looks metal. Okay, hold on. I'm trying to find another. Zoom in.
    63:14
    I got to see it on the one side, on the right-hand side. Come on, people. We need to know. We need your help. If anyone owns a Zechariah time machine, is the ramp actually plastic? Oh, it's metal. No, it's metal. It's metal at the beginning. If you look at the raised platform picture, on the right-hand side, you see it's metal at the beginning. Okay. And it goes into plastic. So that doesn't count. No, that's a fail on me. It's a fail. So we're still at space shuttle.
    63:46
    Still at space shuttle. I'm almost making sure. he's still looking folks oh I'm making sure how can I stall since I don't want to edit I know just talk about something else pinball isn't pinball great pinball is like fighting I love mousing around is great radical is awesome I still love radical try to think what else I played there played some countdown is always good Now, here's the weird thing. If you look at the one picture on the time machine where it says play field image number 18811. Yeah, one of them looks red. Yeah, it looks red. Yeah, the other one, I think they painted it. I think they painted it, too. Yeah. But I see a rivet, like, at the bottom of it, too, so I don't know if they painted it. I don't know. Or it could be a prototype compared to not because it's two different people. Yep.
    64:38
    I'm going yes. Oh, my God. It's just a – we've got to find this out. So someone needs to let us know. Is it metal or is it plastic? Yeah.
    64:48
    It's a creepy game. It is creepy. That's about all I got. You got anything else? No, I don't think so. Hold on. Let me just make sure what I have. Hold on. eBay.
    65:06
    Oh, no. Oh, yes. I think I might have a couple things. Let's go. I'm trying to go on my eBay. Would we not buy that? Yeah, I'm looking. Oh, come on. Don't leave me on like this and not give it to me. I got a couple. Here we go. All right. So would we or would we not buy that? Hold on. Let me get eBay up here. Go for it. Okay. Tell them what it's all about.
    65:28
    What's all about? Oh, yeah. This is would we or would we not buy that, where we peruse the awesomeness that is eBay, looking for deals or really not deals.
    65:39
    Ticket number 264034. 060-299 Williams high-speed pinball machine with a few issues. Few. $630. It is in, let's see, free local pickup in Westerville, Ohio. Let's see what the description says. This is a 1986 high-speed pinball machine. High-H-I speed pinball, two words. Again, I think a lot of people are using, like, speech-to-text on this stuff, because people can't be this bad in spelling. Please read the details below to the best of my knowledge. Wait a minute. Please read the details below to the best of my knowledge. That doesn't even make sense. This machine was playing nearly perfect for several years, then about a year ago developed issues with the ball not discharging.
    66:45
    I hate it when it doesn't discharge. And then the back bumper is not firing. The left flipper also became very weak. I contacted a local repair person that was allegedly an expert at pinball repair. He came out three times and rebuilt the power supply, installed a couple of sun lights, and repaired the sound. However, he seemed to mess it up more than he fixed. He promised to fix it but stopped responding to my texts and calls. So now the game turns on, however, the ball will not discharge. So no will a credit display. The back bumper's not working, and there are a couple of scoring lights out.
    67:22
    Okay. I would keep the game if I knew a reliable person in Central Ohio that could fix it. Well, it's all going to come down to how does it look cosmetically then, or if they fried the boards.
    67:35
    Mm-hmm. Okay, how are the pictures? Okay, we got a picture underneath the play field. Oh, okay. The play field doesn't look too hot. No, it's not. No. It's got lots of wear. Yes, it does. In areas that usually have mylar, which means there's no mylar. But it does have the factory manual in it. Wow. With the... The factory. So if you're really into the factory Williams folder that came in. You got it. Yeah, baby. You're all set. It has the topper. It does. can't really see how the back glass looks. No. Clearly. But it is $630. It is only $630, and we have 46 watchers on this one, so someone's taking note. Yes.
    68:19
    Plus, are there playfields for this? I don't remember. I don't think so yet. Well, there was, because I own one. I sold a playfield. Or no, I actually still have it. What am I saying? It's downstairs. Okay, so guess what? This is your perfect game for you then. This is the perfect game for me, one that probably has board hacks in it and doesn't work.
    68:37
    Which one? So would you buy that? Up to about $650, $700, yes. Okay, you would. Alright. That's five bids on it right now.
    68:52
    Next. Ticket number 132842. 898 511 All right. Ted Nugent pinball machine, playfield body, or playfield cabinet body, Stern.
    69:19
    $400. Wait a minute. It's got the playfield in it. I'm confused. What does it say? Used for replacement parts or make into furniture or art. Will ship on a pallet nationwide for $300. So $300 for something that costs $399. Yep. Okay. So it's a cabinet with a playfield with no back box. So somehow the back box got lost through time.
    69:43
    Jeez, the playfield doesn't look bad from these picks. It doesn't actually look bad. That's why I brought it up.
    69:49
    I guess if you were going to pick it up, this could be your Dragon Fist cabinet. It could be, but way too much money for that.
    69:58
    But it's good for the playfield, honestly. I think the Playfield would be a good donor. $399 plus 300 shipping, or if you're close, in California.
    70:10
    I'd do that if I was close. So there you go. If you're close, folks, you need a cabinet or you want a Nugent Playfield, this actually doesn't look bad. No.
    70:21
    There was one that just ended today, but I'm going to send it to you anyway. I'm going to give you the number. ticket number 392 167 356 236 this is going against Dennis of the Eclectic Gamers podcast nothing comes up when I put that in well it says the listing you're looking for is ended go next to the right and says view original item uh no it literally says zero results so what number did you give again let me go back to it hold on 392 167 356 236 yep that's what I put in hold on I'll give you the next number hold on I'm going to try one another way how about this 332 843 967 683 see if it shows up or it might show something else okay I got a six million dollar man pinball machine yep hold on I don't know why it's not coming up the other one bummer it was a Stern Stars for $600 sold in Colorado so they are at reasonable prices yes see yeah it had a little wear and somebody retouched up the bonus area, but for $600, the fun, easy game.
    71:59
    Why is it called retouched up? Because if it was never touched up, technically it's just touched up. Hmm?
    72:05
    I don't know. I don't know why they call it retouched. That doesn't make any sense. It's like pre-boarding a plane.
    72:11
    You don't pre-board. You board before everyone else does if you're old. Yeah, but you're boarding the plane, so you're not pre-boarding. You're pre-boarding before anybody else. Pre-boarding first. But you're pre-boarding. That makes no sense. They call it a pre-board. Hey, they're the ones that make up the rules, not you, buddy. No, I make up the rules of grammar. That makes no sense.
    72:32
    Let's look it up now on the Internet. Oh, I'm not going to look it up. They make up all kinds of terminology for flight. Pre-board.
    72:41
    There's other ridiculous. Oh, deplane. You're going to deplane. Here we go. Here's the official dictionary definition. allow, in quotations, a particular passenger or group of passengers to board an aircraft before the rest of the passengers. Just because they made it up. I was telling you. And they put it in a dictionary. It doesn't make it grammatically correct. You can't pre-board. You can't board before you board. If you're getting on the plane, you are boarding the plane. But they pre-boarded. You can't pre-board. You're the first on the plane. Can you post-board? That's almost like co-main event. Can you post-board? Post-board? Yeah, like say they're ready to close the door and they always like this guy, this guy's just making a plane. No, you're the last to board the plane.
    73:27
    I guess post-boarding would be everyone boarded, the plane left, and you go to board and you fall to your death. That's post-boarding.
    73:35
    I just made up a new term. I'll just tell you what they say pre-boarding. It's in the dictionary. Okay. Well, this has been the Slamto Podcast, episode 116. Lethal Weapon 4.
    73:49
    We'll have a new series of something next week. Yeah, we won't try to recopy again. We won't recopy. Okay. We won't try to copy again. Don't you do it, too. Come on. Pre-boarding. Pre-board.
    74:03
    We'll recopy and pre-board. I love it. Thank all our listeners. Thank, we have Pinball Star Amusements, Joe Newhart, using it for all your non-stern pinball needs. And Flipper Fidelity. Mike Pupo.
    74:19
    Use Flipper Fidelity speaker systems for your pinball machines. He's also a Stern distributor. You probably could call him and find out about your Beatles, I'm assuming.
    74:31
    Thanks to all the friends of the show, the Head to Head guys, Pinball Profile, Pinball Players Podcast, Riptide Podcast. I hear a new episode any day. Any day. Any day now. Hi, Zach. Hi, Steve. FOMO bonus.
    74:48
    Am I missing anyone? I probably am. Yes, you are, Jeff Teolis. I said pinball profile. No, but you didn't say Jeff Teolis, the golden voice of Canada. Eh? Okay, the golden voice of Canada. His new nickname. Eh? Eh. We are the Slam Tilt Podcast. You can reach us at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. Look for us on Instagram. Been posting a lot of stuff there lately. Twitch, Twitter, YouTube. Just search for Slam Tilt Podcast, our website. Guess what it is? It's SlamTiltPodcast.com. Bet you wouldn't have guessed that. More emails will always be appreciated.
    75:26
    Yes, especially if you're criticizing Bruce. It's great. Love it. Right? Yeah. Okay. And then don't forget www.PinballLifter.com. Use your brain, not your back, to move your machines with ease.
    75:43
    Check out our website. And also, don't forget, Silver Bowl Saloon, 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. Come on out and play 26 pinball machines, video games, darts, pool, bowling, and other fun things we do. Our one-year anniversary party is coming up December 1st.
    76:06
    December 1st? December 1st. You got more details? Well, we're going to have a party. Just have fun and get together.
    76:14
    I'd like to get some famous people there, like the Ron Hallett from the Slamtail podcast. I don't know. He seems like he's a little busy some days. That's Saturday? Saturday, see? If it's not a massive snowstorm. It's not going to be that massive yet. Not massive yet. No, not yet. Okay. All right. Thanks, everybody. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Jesse Farrell.
    76:40
    Hold my mind Can you move me? Can you slide? Hold my mind You can move me If you try Hold my mind Guaranteed to keep you alive
    77:10
    Oh my.