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Pinball Junk Drawer Episode 19

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Apr 16, 2023
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TL;DR

Casual podcast covering pinball books, tournament photography, Bond machine impressions, and community hangout.

Summary

In this episode of the Poor Man's A A Pinball Podcast (Pinball Junk Drawer #19), hosts Foghorn Leghorn and Craft Brew Sally discuss pinball books, Sally's experience photographing the IFPA Wisconsin State Pinball Championship, playing the new James Bond 007 machine, an impromptu video call with Glenn Waechter that included multiple community members, and Sally's official top five favorite beers. The hosts hint at upcoming pinball news they plan to cover in a future dedicated episode.

Key Claims

  • The IFPA Wisconsin State Pinball Championship featured 13 women competing, with 'the normal top four' being known strong players in the state, and included competitors from out of state.

    high confidence · Craft Brew Sally discussing the tournament she photographed; specific numbers and observation about recurring top players

  • James Bond 007 007 machine has an Aston Martin on the playfield with balls coming out of the top/roof, and some custom installations include lights synchronized with the GI track.

    high confidence · Craft Brew Sally describing gameplay feature she observed at the tournament venue

  • One of the tournament competitors was a 16 or 17-year-old girl who is an exceptionally skilled player and won the tournament.

    high confidence · Craft Brew Sally's direct observation from the tournament

  • Glenn Waechter initiated an impromptu multi-person video call with community members, described as a surprise 'tribe video meetup' that lasted about three hours.

    high confidence · Foghorn Leghorn recounting receiving the call and the subsequent group interaction

  • Boulevard's Funky Pumpkin sour pumpkin beer has been discontinued, which Craft Brew Sally finds disappointing.

    medium confidence · Craft Brew Sally explicitly stating production was stopped

Notable Quotes

  • “Pinball Wizards, Jackpots, Drains, and the Cult of the Silver Ball... he interjects about some of his stuff, like his own personal stuff. And it does pepper in a lot of the history of pinball... There's a lot of that inside stuff that's really unique to pinball.”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ early segment — Recommendation for pinball history book; indicates community interest in behind-the-scenes industry narratives

  • “I thought I was doing really well, and then I went over and I watched the girl that won the tournament play the game and she kills every machine she touches.”

    Craft Brew Sally @ Bond machine discussion — Recognition of exceptional young player talent; suggests emerging competitive talent pipeline

  • “So good job, Glenn, for kind of bringing some of us out of the woodwork here on the drive and talking for a while.”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ video call segment — Community engagement and social bonding outside formal tournament settings

  • “I let the cat out of the proverbial beer bag. You poured a 40 out. I poured a 40 out for all my homies.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ video call aftermath discussion — Reveals Craft Brew Sally maintains a detailed craft beer journal; character-building community detail

  • “We do have some pretty exciting pinball news coming up in the near future, but we're going to hold off and do a whole show on it if and when it happens.”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ outro — Teaser of upcoming machine announcements or industry news to be covered in future episode

Entities

Foghorn LeghornpersonCraft Brew SallypersonRachelpersonGlenn WaechterpersonAdam RubinpersonJack Gutierrezperson[name withheld pending review]personEric Stoneperson

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: IFPA Women's Wisconsin State Pinball Championship held at private collection venue in De Pere with 13 competitors; live streamed by Fox Cities Pinball; turnout described as 'really good'

    high · Craft Brew Sally photographed the event as volunteer; detailed description of venue (60 pinball machines, bar, board games, pool table) and competitor demographics

  • ?

    community_signal: Glenn Waechter organized impromptu video call with multiple podcast hosts and community members ('tribe') that lasted approximately three hours; participants described as surprised but enjoying the experience

    high · Foghorn Leghorn account of receiving unexpected video call from Glenn Waechter, multiple people calling in, and subsequent positive reflection on the interaction

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern James Bond machine exists in multiple variants including Thunderball and limited edition 60th anniversary version; pricing mentioned as $60 million for premium tier (likely humorous exaggeration)

    medium · Craft Brew Sally played 'Thunderball' variant; hosts discuss 'three' versions; acknowledgment of 60th anniversary limited edition

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Post-purchase custom modifications observed on Stern James Bond machines, including synchronized GI track lighting on Aston Martin feature; raises concerns about distinguishing original vs modified machines

    medium · Craft Brew Sally noting people 'do all kinds of wacky stuff' and observing specific GI track synchronization hack; Foghorn Leghorn expressing concern about quality consistency

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Notable young female pinball player (age 16-17) demonstrated exceptional skill level, winning IFPA Women's Wisconsin State Championship and achieving high scores across multiple machines at tournament venue

Transcript

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0:00
Now who's responsi- I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my person? I say, I say, I say, pay attention now, boy. This is, of course, Foghorn Leghorn presents the Pinball Junk Drawer. You all asked for it. I say, I say, you all asked for it now. You're gonna get it. Boy, oh boy, are you gonna get it. Go, I say, go away, boy, you bother me.
0:25
And we are back once again for the Pinball Junk Drawer. show number 19 the only pinball podcast not even considered to be nominated for any show awards ever aww sadness, real tears broken hearted, it's ok everyone we'll just keep doing our little show and nobody cares we can vote for ourselves that's the most pathetic thing in the world, you vote for yourself no, no, no I'm going to vote for you vote for me word look at you craft brew Sally finding loopholes anyway my name is Foghorn Leghorn and as I just mentioned with me as usually craft brew Sally yes good times had by all so we got an action packed show for you today we actually craft brew Sally actually comes with notes and she writes stuff down and I do not I did today. I thought I'd pretend. I'd pretend to, hold on, let me get my papers and all my notes. I'll get mine too while I'm right there.
1:39
So I wanted to start, a couple shows ago we talked about the Illustrated History of Pinball by that John Chad, I think was the name. So I was now freaking out that I needed more pinball books to read and I found two. And one of them turned out to not have anything to do with pinball at all. I guess I should have read the description. It's called Pinball, but it's actually a drama. What did he say it was? Like a mystery drama that was written for George Harrison or something? I was like, well, that's, I just threw it in the air. Maybe that's the idea of it being called Pinball. I threw it in the dumpster. And then the second one, though, is called Pinball Wizards, Jackpots, Drains, and the Cult of the Silver Ball. It was written by Adam Rubin. Now, I'm not, I do, I read a lot of books, but it's always like, the books I read are just like the history of console games, the history of pinball, the history, like I just kind of read about the video games and pinball and NES and Super NES and all that kind of crap. This one is, I liked John Chad's illustrated history of pinball because it was very easy and engaging. I like this one for a different reason though. I mean, the Pinball Wizards by Adam Rubin, he's a funny writer. You can tell he's a really good writer. Like, he's probably written other books. I didn't, like, look him up. I probably should have. That's that show prep that I do that crap Bruce Lee does not. No, wait. Strike that. Reverse it. Anyway, so, you know, he interjects about some of his stuff, like his own personal stuff. And it does pepper in a lot of the history of pinball, which you can never get enough of. And it's some really neat stories about Jack Gutierre, Jersey Jack. I don't know how to say his last name. Like just loathing Stern. And they kind of have this kind of back and forth a little bit. I won't say loathing, but kind of loathing. So there's a lot of that inside stuff that's really unique to pinball. And he has a great perspective on it. So if you're jonesing for some kind of new material to read about pinball and the history of pinball, I would recommend Pinball Wizards, Jackpots, Drains, and the Cult of the Silver Ball. And he even at one point says, I wish I wouldn't have called this book Pinball Wizards because now he knows the connotation of that pinball wizard, you know, thing. But that's okay. And if you want to read a book not about pinball, read the book called Pinball. It's in my dumpster up back. Which apparently I own. Anyway, Foghorn Leghorn's Dumpster of Sadness, where all dumb books with the words that don't have anything to do with pinball end up. And I pee on them and I light them on fire. So, what else do we have for today? Thank God that wonderful segment's over. Anyway. Yes. You had an experience. I did. It was pretty awesome.
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high · Craft Brew Sally observing tournament winner 'kills every machine she touches' and noting her age; description of watching her play and being impressed by skill level

  • ?

    content_signal: Fox Cities Pinball conducted live stream coverage of IFPA Women's Wisconsin State Championship; challenges noted with technical setup (lighting, glare, flash photography during competition)

    high · Craft Brew Sally describing Fox Cities Pinball presence; Foghorn Leghorn discussing videography complexity and deciding against starting streaming operation due to technical barriers

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Hosts hint at 'pretty exciting pinball news coming up in the near future' to be covered in dedicated future episode; multiple contingencies mentioned ('if and when it happens')

    medium · Foghorn Leghorn outro statement: 'We do have some pretty exciting pinball news coming up in the near future, but we're going to hold off and do a whole show on it if and when it happens'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts discuss how Austin Powers pinball machine reputation has declined over time; Foghorn Leghorn notes it 'wasn't well-received' and would view it differently now compared to when they owned it

    medium · Discussion of trading in Austin Powers for Beatles; Foghorn noting 'I think now, if I got it now, I'd be like, eh, this machine's boring' and 'The more you play pinball, the China changes and your outlook changes'

  • ?

    historical_signal: Adam Rubin's 'Pinball Wizards: Jackpots, Drains, and the Cult of the Silver Ball' contains inside industry narratives including details about Jack Gutierrez/Jersey Jack's relationship with Stern Pinball, presented as unique perspective on pinball industry dynamics

    medium · Foghorn Leghorn describing book content as having 'inside stuff' and 'stories about Jack Gutierre, Jersey Jack' with competitive tension ('kind of loathing Stern')

  • ?

    venue_signal: Private pinball collection in De Pere, Wisconsin features approximately 60 pinball machines plus bar, board games, and pool table; venue hosts competitive IFPA women's tournament

    high · Craft Brew Sally providing detailed venue description; Foghorn Leghorn noting impressive nature of collection and questioning owner's source of income

  • ?

    community_signal: Craft Brew Sally maintains extensive craft beer journal with detailed logging, labels, and notes; previously kept private but revealed during group video call; demonstrates systematic hobby documentation practices

    high · Foghorn Leghorn describing 'epic proportions' of beer journal; discussion of pages with 'just like a number or like a letter'; Craft Brew Sally's explicit confirmation of maintaining the journal

    • 4:40
    Watch it. This podcast is being recorded before a live feline audience. Zoltan the cat has decided to awkwardly put herself behind a chair so she can scream when somebody steps on her. Yes, or just hiss at random because she likes to do that. We're back. All right.
    4:58
    Stop hitting the microphone stand. No. Touche, I guess. All right, go ahead. So I volunteered to photograph the IFPA Women's Wisconsin State Pinball Championship. Say that once slowly. I can't. I was glad I got through it the first time.
    5:19
    Photographs and memories. It was put on by Rachel, who also operates Ladies Flip Wisconsin. Is that the right way to say that too? Yes. I wrote it down to be sure. I fact-checked. Wow. Yeah. I feel like I'm underperforming. I'm letting all of the VinVault Junk Drawer fans down.
    5:48
    Okay, go ahead. You are normally the more prepared one. Yes, there you go. Nice. Yes. But it was at a private collection in De Pere, and they had a really awesome like outbuilding I was going to ask you because I saw pictures of that was one person's collection oh my I should do whatever they're doing for a living yes wow I would say there was probably 60 pinball machines in there 1 1 pinball machines I think they had No, it's not that many. I know. But they also had like a bar and like an area where you could have like play board games and a pool table. Wow. I mean, the pictures were really awesome. Awesome. I heard they had the top-notch photographer on hand. I wouldn't go that far. I learned that I'm not a very good photographer, but I have a good editor.
    6:58
    Yes. And all the pictures that we didn't like, we threw in that dumpster and peed on them. Anyway. I did not do any of the peeing. Right. Sure she didn't. But there were 13 women, and the top four were the normal top four, I would say, of what I know. And I don't know very much about it.
    7:25
    You're like, I bumped into them one time before they were winning, so I assume they win all the time. I don't know. You are correct. you know I always think back to that time when I was playing and I was like oh I should have done better and they were like oh my god they were making a big deal out of me winning a game or having the top score of the game and they were like you know who that is and they said the guy's name and I was like okay it didn't mean it was Eric Stone but it didn't mean anything to me yeah he's the number one in the world like at that time I didn't know who the hell he was we walked into that place not knowing anyone or anything. Nope. Just play the hell out of the machines. That was the goal and you did. I think maybe if I would have known he was the number one player in the world, I probably would have been nervous and lost. I think it was because I didn't know or care who it was. I was like, yeah, whatever. I was trying for that last shot and I got ripped off. That makes a big difference if you're just playing to play. Or playing for fun. Yeah, and just going nuts.
    8:28
    So when You were there. It was a good turnout, a real good time. There were 13 women. I guess the 13 top women in the IFPA standings in the state, which I'm not sure how it worked, but there were people from out of state that came. Was Taylor Swift there? No. Because that's her favorite number. Remember on that commercial she points to her head as a – No, she wasn't there. Yeah. I don't believe that's her favorite number. She was probably out of different states. I don't believe she knows what pinball is or that 13 is her lucky number. Anyway.
    9:03
    But the Fox City's pinball stream was also there recording and doing a live stream, which was interesting. Yeah, I'll tell you what. I thought about getting into that because I do have a pretty extensive videographer background. I had a TV show on public access. Well, we had a TV show on public access for a lot of years. but also I was working that camera crew for the concerts for the CEC cameras and stuff. And I was like, man, I should set this up and start streaming pinball. And then I saw the rigs that you had to do and how there's glare and how it sucks. And I was like, you know what? I don't think I'm going to do that. No. I don't think I want to ever have to do that because it looks like it's a big pain in the ass. Trying to get that lit right so it's not reflective and it's not, you know. And I think that was part of my problem was I didn't have my flash on because, you know, you don't want to have flashes going off while you're competing for number one in the state. Yeah, they're going to swing on you. Yeah. They're going to hit you in the face. You want a GoPro? Yeah. No, I don't. Let me put down my expensive camera. I work for a living. Anyway, and I'm a volunteer here.
    10:15
    Oh, no. Well, that's cool. Did you have a fun time? I did. When you came back, you said you had a great time. I did. I really enjoyed it. Cool. Now, I was very jealous because you got to play the newest Stern offering, which would be James Bond. I did. I got to play the Thunderball. Thunderball? Yes. See, I'm so out of the loop. I don't even know which ones there are. I mean, I know there's numerous kinds. Not numerous. I think there's three. Yeah, maybe. I think the third one was like the one that's the 40th of the alley. The limited edition, 60th anniversary. That's $60 million.
    10:51
    Sorry, everyone. I had an Austin Powers pinball machine. We got rid of it. We traded it in for the Beatles, which was a, I think that was a good move. I do, too. I like the Austin Powers, but it's not a well-received machine. I don't know. I think now, if I got it now, I'd be like, eh, this machine's boring. Yeah. Because you change. The more you play pinball, the China changes and your outlook changes. So what did you think about the Bond game? I have to play one of these sooner. Oh, my God. I really like the Bond.
    11:20
    I don't remember all that much about it right now, but the cool thing was there's an Aston Martin on the play field, and the balls come out the top of it. Oh, yeah? The roof. Oh, like the buck comes out. Yeah. I saw people that hooked it up that the lights and the Aston Martin work with the GI track. I was like, that's kind of cool. People do all kinds of wacky stuff with machines, which is neat when you look at it online. But then now I think, oh, if I go to look at a machine, now I have to check if somebody's dicking around with it. And there's all this wacky shenanigans underneath. Because I have a particular way of doing things. And if it's not done that way, then I think it's destroyed and I want to just throw it in a dumpster and pee on it. And light it on fire. You don't want to do that with a pinball machine. No. So they're expensive. so you know that worries me a little bit but it is some of them are pretty cool you know yeah but so you did like it was fun I did now did you have a hat that spun the spinny hat thing or is that just the you would know like remember Oddjob throws that hat yeah I didn't I don't remember it being a hat on it I think that might be a different the one yeah you know like it would be funny if you took that one and you like put a shoe on that and you like kind of made it like an Austin Powers version of the 60th anniversary Who throws a shoe Yeah who throws a shoe And you can even have it hacked that says that Who throws a shoe, honestly? That would be the greatest screw you to the whole entire pinball community. Because no one likes the Austin Powers. And you can make the bond that's really expensive in Austin Powers. No.
    13:03
    Yes, I would. If I had enough money, I would. because that's the kind of stupid stuff I like to do. So that's good. You had fun and you liked the machine. I did, yeah. But you didn't log on, did you? I did. You did log in. I did log in. Oh, that's right. Don't you remember I told you? No, I do not remember, but I believe you. I did not get Grand Champion. I did not. You're like, yeah, I didn't GC that. Right. I thought I was doing really well, and then I went over and I watched the girl that won the tournament play the game and she kills every machine she touches. Huh. Well, don't let her in here then. I don't want to see my machines killed. Yeah, and you don't want her to have the GC because you'll never get it. Right down the line, you're like, wow, this sucks. Yeah, you'll never get that score ever. You just need to rip the fuse out of the wall so all the power goes down. It's like, oh, well, look, something went wrong. Factory reset. Yeah, see you. Bye, everyone. Get the hell out of here, lady that ruins everything for everyone.
    14:05
    Aw. Yeah. So, I mean, that's kind of good when you're that skilled. Yeah. She's really good. And she's like 16 or 17 years old. So, yeah. Get off my lawn with your baggy pants and your beepers, you youngsters. Get off my pinball machine. With your baggy pants and your beepers and your beepers and phones. Right. St. Pete. Anyway. So, what else do we have tonight? Is that it? No. We were going to talk about the four-man video call. The surprise video call. Yeah. That is a good one. Thanks for reminding me. Yes. So this was after like maybe a couple weeks ago. I'm sitting there at home, and I see a call. I missed a call from Glenn Wechter.
    14:50
    Damn near killed her. So he called, and I went, huh, I wonder if he has a question about a pinball machine, which as I talked on the phone I was like well that's flawed logic because no one's going to call me to help them ruin their machine they'll be like oh I need an emergency doctor dude, something popped up on the doctor dude and I need to, I know foghorn leghorn to the rescue but anyway so I called him back and then he's on video and I'm not and he's like what's wrong with your camera I was like what are you talking about and he's like oh it's a video call I was like oh hi and I turned my video on I was like so what's up and he's like just hanging out and calling people I was like, huh, really? He's like, yeah, you're the first person to call back. I was like, huh, really? But then other people started calling in. So I think we talked for like three hours. It was a really long time. It was a long time. It was funny because it was just like this impromptu tribe video meetup courtesy of Glenn Wechter. And I actually had a lot of fun. I would have never in my life done anything like that. No. And if I would have known what it was, I never would have called. I mean, I like most of the tribe people I've met. I just don't, I'm not that person. Like, you know, I'm kind of a stick in the mud. I'm the potty pooper.
    16:03
    But yeah, so yeah, I was like, and then afterwards I was like, that was really funny. I'm showing people my video or the pinball machines. And at one point I'm playing that theremin with that Miku stop pedal for some reason. Yeah. We weren't even drinking. The cats are getting peeled off the ceiling because they don't like theremins. Yeah. You ever want to see a cat hit the ceiling? Play a theremin. A cat's going to. But it was a. So good job, Glenn, for kind of bringing some of us out of the woodwork here on the drive and talking for a while. Now they loop. I looped Craft Brew Sally into the call. Yes. And you need to sync something up. And everybody found out that I have a Craft Beer journal. Which, why were you shy about it? I don't know. this thing is of epic proportions. Like after the asteroid hits the world, they're going to tell stories of that thing. And they're going to search out like a grail. They're going to try and find it so they can remember days of yore when they drank weed of different kinds. And they'll be like, Oh, craft Rue Sally was the holder of the book. Remember all that from when that asteroid hit the earth? No. Okay. Anyway, so I don't know. It's just something that I do and I, it's fun, you know, I do. It's just something that I've never really told anybody other than you that I have this beer churn. I let the cat out of the proverbial beer bag. You sure did. You poured a 40 out. I poured a 40 out for all my homies. And then lit it on fire. The dumpster. Feed on it, lit it on fire. So now you should be very proud of it. And I'm not making fun of you at all. No, I know. It's like a, it's a really, you really love, fun fact about Crafter Sally, she likes writing shit down. I mean, you want someone to write some shit down, you get Crafter Sally up in here. She's writing. She is journaling some stuff. So she'll write, write, and there's pages and pages, and it'll just be like a number or like a letter. And you're like, what's this letter for? Well, I'm going to put that in the thing. And, okay, yep. Before she's even done explaining what that page is, I'm like, I'm going to go in the garage and, I don't know, look at my wrenches or some crap. That is all correct. So your epic craft brew that has like log information and it has the labels and stuff. Now, what do you want to rectify? Yes, I was kind of put on the spot on this call for my top five beers of all time. So you've had some time to reflect. I was like, oh, wow. She's like, number one beer, Friends. Number two, Grease. Number three. Oh, wait, that's our top five machines that are dumb. Anyway, go ahead. Scrap Bruce Alley is not a being put on the spot kind of crap Bruce Alley. No. So. I gently like ease into things like hey how about Saturday Maybe we thing in this stuff with the man and the other things And you go and I don hear anything back And then a day or so later you sleeping a teabag So, hey, I looked into that thing I mentioned for Saturday, remember? So if we would do this, and this is like three weeks before that Saturday. This is waking up on Friday afternoon. No, it's not like with doing stuff. It's mostly with like talking in front of people. Something I am very shy about as well. Yes, I know. That's probably where I get it.
    19:36
    Yes. I'm not a very good public speaker. And you're married to someone who would stand up and say anything in front of anybody and not seem to care. Yes. I have a very inflated, I suffer from delusions of grandeur. I think I can talk about anything to anybody and not care. I think the point is I don't care. Anyway, so go ahead. So I decided to do my official top five-ish list. And before you get started, I will reiterate, my top five list is Bud Light Platinum. Okay, go ahead. Top five, one through five.
    20:08
    Anything else is horseshit. Anything else is wrong. Go ahead. All right, so we're going to start with Leinenkugel Berry Wise, which has been my favorite for a long time and now I live in the same state as Len in Kugel and that is amazing I got you a righteous marriage sign oh yes it's over there it'll be on the wall one day maybe if we just get a wall that's what we're hoping for and then I have Cigar City High Lie you did have that one on your list didn't you? Yes. But you probably said that as like number one because you were like flustered. Well, no, I didn't really put these in any sort of order. They're just like my top five. Gotcha. And then there's the Boulevard Funky Pumpkin, which they have stopped production of. And it makes me really sad because it is a sour pumpkin beer. Yeah, but you turned the corner on pumpkin stuff. I did, and I haven't tried it. So I don't think you would look at it the same way. You probably like to have one of those Arcane ones. Yeah. Yes, which brings me to...
    21:22
    Arcane did a collaboration with Untitled Art and made Dole Whip. Arcane should do a collaboration with Stern and just call it Silver Ball Wizard or something.
    21:36
    Arcane should do a collaboration with Wisconsin and bring beer to Wisconsin because they're like my favorite brewery, and I can't get any other stuff here. Yeah, and they were literally like four blocks away from our house. I worked across the street from them. Yes, and when she was giving out pills to people, she would literally leave her job and just be like, screw it. She'd go get drunk, and then she'd come back and keep doing it. No. Oh, no. Never, never, ever.
    22:03
    And then to round out my top five, I'm going to go with Schofferhofer Grapefruit. Say that never once fast. So if you've ever been to Epcot at Disney World and gone to Germany, you know what Schofarhofer Grapefruit is. Yes. That's the one I drink sometimes because it's like 1.0%. It's like 2.5%. Yeah. It's basically, it's like making love in a canoe.
    22:32
    It's effing close to water. That's a Monty Python joke that I cribbed. Huh. I think we might need to edit this. Monty Python live at Hollywood Bowl. That's the joke I stole. Oh, my goodness. So those are my cheat sheets. Okay. So I do have to say I have two honorable mentions from the state of Wisconsin, which are. Honorable.
    23:00
    Which are the one that is no longer being made because the brewery is no longer open, but it was the Pigeon River Cherry Drop. Yes. Okay. And then the Hinterland Grand Crew. Oh, Hinterland, yeah. Grand Crew 22. See, I kind of flinch when we go up to Green Bay because I know I'm going to end up in Hinterlander and I know I'm going to be paying $20,000 for a lunch. I'm like, oh, man.
    23:29
    But they do make good beer and you do like it. And they have good food, too. Yeah, they do. They have the best avocado tacos, by the way. And I'll take your word on that because I'll never have an avocado taco from anywhere. So, all right. You feel okay now? You're vindicated? Yes. You've made the official your top five beers for now? I feel better. Okay, good. Because I was really nervous about my list. Yes. Really highfalutin crowd you were in. You know. I know. You just watched your husband play a theremin on a Japanese anime voice modulator. Yeah, still. Still. You're like, yeah. All right, so is that it? We good? I think we're good. Yeah, we're running long. This is a long show. People are going to be like, oh, my God. These guys won't stop talking. Yeah, sorry. No nomination for you this year. Your show is too long.
    24:26
    Anyway, all right, so there you have it. We do have some pretty exciting pinball news coming up in the near future, but we're going to hold off and do a whole show on it if and when it happens. A lot of ins, a lot of outs. That's not a big Lebowski hint. I couldn't afford one of those if I wanted to. But I say that a lot. And then things happen and you go, huh, well, there it is. Now, thanks for listening, everyone. I hope you've enjoyed this show. This has been Pinball Juncture Show 19. My name is Foghorn Leghorn. and with me as always Craft Brew Sally and we hope to see you on the flip side no that's not oh yeah I'm turning this off enough of this oh oh ah shut up that's all folks that's it man game over man game over