Alright, no more pop music. This time, I'm gonna choose the music. Let's go, man! Oh yeah, baby, Wap is back! We'll be right back. All right, baby, WAP is back. You have been asking. We are back right now delivering another episode of WAP. This is number 43 at the left corner with white, blue, and white shorts on. We have got Donnie, great father, great husband, great doctor, great pinballer. How are you doing, my dear friend? How are you doing? How can you see my shorts? man. I don't get it. It's the only thing you're wearing, man. We're doing phenomenally well here. The world is ready, and it's time to bring the WAPA Nation back to the pinball nation, I guess? Yeah, something like that. Number 43, Donnie. We have got so many emails from people, when is the next show coming? We said from the get-go one show a month. This time it was like a month ago, but people are like, we need every week, every week, every week. So, first of all, thank you for all you guys reaching out. Donnie has been doing so much stuff. And me, it was summer. I have been doing so much stuff. But it's September 2025. The summer is over. Some people are saying there are no news in pinball. What are they talking about, Donnie? There's so many news, man. It's been nonstop stuff. I mean, are you kidding me? We got, like, new cornerstone. We got 150 predators left. Spooky's about to launch some madness on us. Expo's around the corner. We're talking to Hexa Pinball. Big Bang Bar is becoming relevant again for reasons like it's nonstop. What the heck? And Raza, what the heck? Yeah, exactly. Do not make that game. Don't. Just don't. Why? Why? Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. We have so much to talk about. I'm happy you're back here, Donnie, because, guys, Donnie has been working his butt off, And usually he hits me up every day with something fun, something cool, something new. But sometimes days went by when I heard nothing from Donnie. And when he hits me up, he's like, oh, my God, man, I have been working, working, working, just slept six hours and working. This doctor is dedicating his life to help people out there. So let's just all clap to Donnie. Clap for all the doctors out there. Thank you. Thank you, the doctors. Just bring me snacks. Love you guys. I just do it for the snacks. Guys, dear listener, this is September 2025. Remember this day because a year from now, you will love what Donnie has done. This is just pure awesomeness. I said it. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome. Donnie, do you want to say something about it or is it still you and I only? Correct. I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, sir. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. just remember it's gonna be it's gonna be amazing it's gonna be me it's gonna be me so our last show we interviewed spooky pinball those guys it was just awesome right on it and we shared show part number one here on wap and show part number two on patreon only right donnie dumping a lot of stuff over there yeah i figured for your five bucks if you can find a better deal and pinball than the constant content that is coming to your eyeballs and earlobes, especially from the Patreon WAP people. I will eat somebody's hat, man. It's incredible the amount of dangerous content that is coming straight to your face from that Patreon. I mean, on part two, we ask all the cool questions with the upcoming game, and we got so many tidbits that are not out there on the other content creators. I haven't heard it. But we got so much juice in there, man. Those guys are awesome. They're supporting us, dual supporters on Patreon. They're just – we love Team Spooky, right? They're awesome. Right, Donnie? Absolutely, yeah. And they buy me food too, which is way to my heart. People want us to do more interviews with them, so we're going to interview them again if they want to join us. That could be awesome. So a couple of weeks ago, I made a little show together with my son, and we just took the audio and put it on this show. It was only my son and I because Donnie was working. And the response from you guys, thank you, guys. You really love to listen to the aspect of a 14-year-old kid in 2025, what he thinks about the themes in Pinball Machine. So maybe I'll make another show with him, but this is Don and me doing this. nothing else okay but thank you for the positive response beautiful stuff beautiful stuff donnie yeah first of all i think i think i think we should just go in and talk about star wars let's just hit it with star wars what the heck what the heck what the yeah what the heck exactly is what's happening i was not anticipating this we're getting a stern cornerstone it's star wars one of the big three licenses in the planet one of my favorite games that i have here and the constant comment from people has been this is such a great license why didn't they put more in the game i wish they would revisit it i wish they'd go back to it and make a devastating game uh that this theme deserves and it seems like it's coming and there's like zero hype people are not excited about it what is that what am i missing man i tried to put up some star wars short videos on my YouTube channel and I'm like, and I'm asking people from one to 10, how excited are you? Donnie, you were excited. You rated at 10. Let's go. Most people wrote zero in there. And I was like, you can't be serious. This is the biggest pinball theme, not the biggest team in the world, but biggest pinball team. You cannot come and say, you cannot tell me another pinball team. that's better than Star Wars. What? What's hand-pardner compared to Star Wars? Come on. It's nothing. And after all the feedback from one of the leading selling games, Stern Star Wars from Richie, and then after the tepid reputation of Mandalorian, you think if they're going to visit this license again, they're going to be like, guys, we need to bring it. Bring it for this game. But it's all falling apart. I have some insight. I may know why. and as I've been in pinball and I've played these designers games and I've got to know their own little fingerprints that go into the games, I'm starting to see a lot of consistencies when it goes from one game to another, especially from a couple of people, Richie and Borg, right? You know, you stand there side by side with Metallica and Guardians of the Galaxy and you're like, these are these are the same games, man. And then, you know, I love I love Rush. And then I got my hands on a kiss and I'm like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a second. So what if, because this is now supposed to be narrow-body game, two flippers, I got Munsters over here, and Munsters is a game that did not impress me when I first played it because of the simplicity not only of code but of shots, two ramps, a bash toy, kind of it. And then it grew on me. But if they do Star Wars and it's just Munsters again and it's an AT-ST instead of Herman, I see why people are apprehensive, and I think that might be the reason. I'm so happy that you're saying AT-ST because most people I think this is an American thing YouTubers, podcasters they're saying AT-AT AT-AT AT-AT AT-AT the game should have an AT-AT so yeah when the 2017 came out I was like yeah it should have an AT-AT at the back of the playfield you should hit the legs and those legs should go sideways Justin Emperor, Justin, yeah, episode 5, and, you know, go down sideways and everything. But it's not called AT-AT. It's called AT-AT. It's called R2-D2. It's called 3PO. And AT, those with two legs, A-T-S-T. It's not called AT-AST. No. No, it's AT-AT. So do you think – Yeah, AT-AT is what the aliens from Mars Attacks would say when they run around, right? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Nerdy teeth cuts here. I hope it will have some destroyable toys that do bash down. I mean, John Borg has toys in his games, right? Who designed the Stern Pirates of the Caribbean? Do you know who was the designer on that? I don't have it in front of me. but they had a whole ship that collapsed and sank and turned upright. And if you could do that, you can make an AT-AT collapse. You have to hit that up, man. I don't remember who did that. But if you go further back, Stern actually made an Avatar game also that had a big mech in the middle of the play field, and you could bash it, and it just crumbled and fell down from his legs. That looked nice. I like that. But usually John Bork, he makes this Bastoy in the middle, Magda at the front, left right, right ramp, and Orbit. So you've seen his games before. I mean, he makes those just like Metallica. It's just – it's classic John Bork. People loves it. It's completely fan layout. I love Bastoy. Oh, my gosh. You're going to love this. You're going to love this. All right, so Dennis Nordman was on Pirates of the Caribbean. Okay, so we'll let that one go. So Avatar from Stern with that two-legged stand-up mech walker was a John Borg design. Oh! And if you go back to Data East times, John Borg was actually also a mechanical engineer. Yeah. So maybe he can reuse, have an AT-AT at the middle of the playfield. You destroy it. Oh, my. This is Star Wars. I am excited. I love this theme. We're getting Avatar. Everything else is theme of the year. It's absolutely the theme of the year. No matter what comes out, we know some tidbits out there. But theme-wise. Bajengas, Bajengas, I've been chosen by the wand. I'm the boy who lived. How could you say that my adventures in the tea castle are not the greatest theme in pinball? I tell you, sir. Leviosa. Forget about stuff like that. in the pinball demographic who cares about that hairy boy no one no one come on this is star wars man when we start a new game we have to feel the force when we start a new game it's not going to be toy in the middle left and right ramp and an orbit it's gonna be the game is gonna shake it's gonna have the john williams music it's gonna have an agg that goes up it's gonna have x-wings TIE Fighters, TIE Bombers, Palpatine, Darth Vader everywhere, sword fights everywhere. It's going to be Spike 3. But I live in a closet under the stairs with my pet owl. I'm awaiting some correspondence from the castle. I'm going to be chosen and picked up by a Hagrid. We will fly in a motorbike. Oh, Hogwarts. Oh, my God. Get out of here. Get out of here. You're spilling my polyjuice potion. What are you doing? I don't get it. I don't get it. But it's typical, man. It's typical J.J.P. choosing themes like that. You know me. I don't like J.J.P. themes in general, but it is what it is. Theme-wise, Star Wars and half of Spike 3. What's going on? Why is it not complete Spike 3? Why is it like 45% Spike 3? What's going on with Stern? They probably still have traditional cabinets they need to use up is probably what it is. There may be a little bit of a redesign of the backbox or something due to different sizes of a screen or something, or maybe they're all going to come routed for expression lights or like the next generation of that, but they need to use up existing stock. All speculation. I'm sure we're going to know, though, here pretty soon once we see the damn thing. And, my God, if it's Avatar re-skinned with an AT-AT standing there. So we're excited about Spike 3 because we are thinking about bigger screen, maybe higher resolution, but that's not important when the screen is that small. But bigger screen, better audio quality. Better sound. Better audio. Yeah. Better light show, faster processing CPU, and what are the rails? What are they called? Those rail lights. Oh, the expression lights on the inside? Yeah, better expression lights. better wi-fi connections so it's just i mean 2025 technology at this point look at look at what's happened to the stern le's man they went from something that it's like you need to be on the inside to be able to get one of these things to like they're just available everywhere you know there's not any value that's packed into that higher trim level um you know we're all making the same armor now we all know a powder coater um you know so it's a mirrored back glass is essentially all you're getting they really didn't bring anything with the art from kong they just took the same art they took the same art from the pro and premium and threw them on there with a little bit of embellishments and it's like what am i getting for the extra three thousand dollars i'm not getting a shooter rod i'm not getting a topper i'm getting invisiglass a shaker motor and some art upgrades that yeah what's going on but the good thing is people are saying that there Will there be a price increase? I asked a couple of distros inside of Stern, guys. None of them has heard about price increase. Have you heard anything? No, I've heard that there will be the same standard pricing. And is that because Stern is being some good guys to us, or is it because they're redressing Avatar Pro and they just can't stomach to make this the game that they're asking for more money on? The big thing that does help with the LE purchase price is if it includes the Expression Lights, because those are now $600. So Metallica LE that already came with them, I mean, that's at least some extra baked-in value. But we didn't see it with Kong. We didn't see it with D&D. We're probably not going to see it with Star Wars. So, ah, LE market dead. I hope all the cabinets from now on, from Spike 3 and onwards, they will have the cut-in to the Expression Lighting so people can operate them. It should be just, you know, they should just have it, one standard cabinet. Well, and if they're doing the speaker lights now with light shows, you can at least run the same light shows as the speaker lights with the expressions. So it's not like there would be, like, someone that's got to sit there and code every single mode or something, you know, like with Rush or Foo Fighters. So at least, like, give us the option. Yeah, just have every cabinet routed so we can put them in there. I think lighting and pinball is important. I think the expression light system is, like, some of the best I've seen as far as getting lights in there that don't include extra things that you have to remove when you need to lift a play field or anything. It's like ready to go, integrated in the Artblade. Works great. Even the Expression Light Topper for Star Wars behind me works and looks awesome. So, yeah. So, one morning, I'm getting text by your best friend Chris Koulouris from Canada's Pinball Podcast. Yeah, I know him well. We went to high school together. and he's just saying na na na na na fuck europeans you're not getting star wars and i'm like what why not canada and he's like you're not getting it because the europeans are losers and i was like what the heck is going on so i jumped on my emails while whole united state was sleeping and i saw that uh zach sharp i love zach in there zach sharp actually invited you and to the launch party. Let's go. 10th of this month. Thank you, Zach. Stern is listening to the WAP show. We got great response. So thank you guys at Stern. They're WAP also. That's really, really cool. Zach is a sweetheart. He explained everything. He explained everything. I don't know how much we're allowed to share, but it is a licensing thing. But he also mentioned that us Europeans, you know losers of the world we should actually still contact distros and say hey we want this game so do something so so maybe the license could be paid or maybe disney could say yes to this yeah so i mean there was some speculation this is spike three maybe you know it didn't quite certify get certified by the european standards or something as i don't know if that's really going to happen because you know i don't think stern's ever had a problem with that before but maybe um licensing costs okay i could see that since it is star wars this was a big multi-million dollar license and now you know if disney's doing regions that you have to get approval for to sell in that market i'm sure there was a price and maybe they said we're not sure if this game's going to be such a big seller is it worth us to pay this high price for european distribution and then get tepid sales maybe we should release the game and see how it does first and then in that case I would say distributors would probably be asking their buyers how interested are you in this because if they could get a whole team of distributors to come to them with like sales that they would have guaranteed then maybe it would make it worth their while to do the license that seems the most likely thing to me but seems weird we haven't seen this before you know the only game I've seen that's been released recently that didn't just go into worldwide release was things like Space Hunt from Hexa and And I think that was just because you have to pay the UL listing fee to get it certified for sale in the country. And so if you don't know that you're going to have a ton of sales, like if you're releasing a brand new game and only planning on making 100, maybe it's not worth dropping five figures to get certified only to not even make that money back. But for Stern, for Star Wars, they can't sell enough to make it worth their while? so donnie i'm to be honest i'm not in panic because history told us when a stern game comes out like 12 to 18 months after the game will be complete okay so no panic and what's gonna happen in 18 months we're gonna have 50th anniversary of star wars so i could pay 13 000 plus tariff and vet and shipping right now and get get the le in other ways or i could just wait a bit more than a year and get the pumped up i mean these 50th anniversary editions they They're pumped up with glitter and blah, blah, blah all over the place. And the game code is ready. All the errors are fixed. All the mechanical issues are fixed. Everything is perfect. And I can get a fully coded running game for $9,800. Or what do they cost now for the premium price? And Stern has been doing this every year now for the past couple years of an anniversary edition release. We saw it recently with Jaws. For the premium price, you get some extra powder coat and some glitter. Not a bad deal. Not a bad tradeoff. That thing looks like a high top from the 80s. But other than that, and the art's a little bit mid. But, yeah, it's a good version of that game and seems to be selling well. You know, prior to that, we saw the other anniversary edition that they just came out with. Oh, wait, no, they did Jurassic Park as well. So it's been Jurassic Park the year before. And then what was the one recently? I keep forgetting what the hell it was. the recently was the jaws one no prior to that prior to that it's that was godzilla black and white i don't know why i can't keep remembering that yeah godzilla 70th then we saw jaws 50th we get star wars now next year we get star wars 50th with the brass plated uh wire forms or whatever hopefully there's damn wire for yeah and avatar was all plastic stuff i mean what i mean There's no panic. And, you know, usually it's like half LA sales in the U.S. and half in Europe. But I'm telling you something. European pinball sales has plummeted. Like, it's just straight down the middle, man. Oh, my God. So maybe Stern is feeling it and they're like, we're not selling as many games in Europe as we used to. So maybe we should do this and create some type of FOMO. Maybe it's that. I don't know. You know, if they're just re-theming Avatar, Avatar is full of plastic ramps. So I don't know what they're going to be powder coating for the 50th anniversary edition. You and your Avatar, man. Have you owned an Avatar before? No, not the Stern one, just the JJP one. Oh, you can get an Avatar LE for $4,000 or something. They cost nothing. You know, I got to say, it's kind of a fun game. Enzo's got one out in Australia. It's tricked out, and I think he went to the aquarium store and bought a bunch of glow-in-the-dark plants for it. But damn it, it's a fun, solid game, like something of that era. And I'm just looking. I hope you think it's a beautiful game. This is going to be what Star Wars is. Watch. Holy crap. Donnie, no matter what, Star Wars is going to sell because it's the best pinball theme, man. It's just the best demographic. But you're talking about Enzo. We have to say thank you to Enzo, man. What up, Enzo? I don't know what sound I want to go with. I'm going to go with ACDC. Enzo is our premium level supporter at every month and we love him for it Thank you Enzo man Thank you for all the support Enzo gives us some tidbits when he knows about something and about something He shares it with us Some of the news we're getting from Enzo. I love that. I love this guy. This guy's flip-flop. Have you seen all the interviews he's been doing, too? Like, he's killing it. He had Jerry from Multimorphic, a guy that's so difficult to track down, I haven't even been able to land him. And he's over there talking to him live stream on Gonzo's Pinball Flipperama last night. Wow, amazing. The three interview? Yes. I'm so much not going to watch that. The hardest thing, the hardest one to get, man. I can't even get it. Why is that hard, man? What the heck? This guy made heist. Are you kidding me? Oh, my sweet mother of candy flush. Well, yeah, he's a great guy, and he makes great videos at Gonzo's Flipperama. Shout out. Right? Yeah. Another premium level supporter, Anthony Marua. What up, Anthony? What a dude, man. I love this guy. Give him a horn. Give him a double horn. I love Anthony. Double horn to Anthony. Oh, sorry, Jamie Burchill. I'm very sorry for dropping the sound drops. I know that upsets your walk around the neighborhood. I hope you will recover from this microaggression. But Anthony Maroon is awesome. Oh, yeah, baby. Oh, yeah. Josh Cox. He's also our premium level supporter. We love you, buddy. We love you. Joshy, right? Hell yes. Hell yes. Does Jamie not like our beep sounds? I mean, Retro Ralph loves them. I know, and that's why we do it. And we love Jamie, but we're going to hit him anyway with the air horns there. Oh, my God, Jamie. Jamie's a sweetheart, man. Thank you, guys. You know, premium level is crazy. We will love you guys. But on top of that, we have to say thank you for a couple of new members, Donnie. Let's do it. Have you seen that? Constantly, yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm ready. Last time on our last show, we actually thanked Colin from Kinetisys. Thank you, Colin. That was really, really beautiful. So Colin is a supporter of our channel. So after Colin, we got Edwin Pitchhoff. Welcome to the team, Edwin. Woo-hoo! Hell yeah. After him, we got Jesse Mead. Welcome to the team, buddy. Yeah, yeah. Let me hear that. Let me. Play it for Nancy. One more time. After that, we got Patrick. What up, buddy? After that, we got MC Nuggets. After him, we got another supporter, Chance Hammer. Chance, I love Chance. He's a very, very active guy. So, welcome to the WAP team, Chance Hammer. It's good to have you here. another amazing supporter in the house i hope you're enjoying it whoa donnie a lot of support man we i'm so thankful we are so thankful but after that we got craig garner what up craig craig how you doing buddy let's go hang out let's get some food donnie i think i'm hungry if that wasn't enough we got marco marco remirez another supporter man oh marco okay do you want more donny man we gotta we gotta thank him dude and anybody else can join another supporter just entered the team howard see well welcome to the team howard my finger slips let me give him the full all right howard thank you howard these guys are all getting access to the entirety of the backcourt Just when we thought it was over, we got Dunk. We got Dunk in the house. All these people enjoying the back catalog. Son of a bitch. You know, Dunk's logo is actually Spooky's logo, so I don't know if he's a spooky guy. Okay, so the spooky guys are allowed. I don't know. We'll have to check it out. I don't know. I don't know. And when I thought everything was over, no more supporters were like, what the hell, we have got Jonathan Swanson. Swanson! Woo! My sound drop button's going crazy over here. Welcome. I mean, guys, it's just crazy. Welcome, Jonathan. We thank you. And all of you, when you're in here, you can write personally to direct to us, and we will answer it. It's so beautiful. And when we just thought everything was over, we got Derek in the house. Jesus, you guys are freaking crazy, man. That's a whole month worth at once. Welcome, man. Welcome to the team. Donnie, I can see some people are paying $5. Some people are paying $10. But Derek is paying $7.50. Why is that? I will tell you why that is because this person chose convenience and went through iOS and was just like, yeah, I'll just go ahead and join right here. And when you do that, Apple gets a cut. But if you go to patreon.com backslash – what the hell is this show called? We are pinball. What the heck, buddy? I've been working all night. But if you go to the Patreon direct, you can then just pay the $5 price. But if you go in through iOS, they found a way to sneak in there now and grab extra fees, which don't go to us. That goes to Tim Apple. I can see in there we have about $2,000 that we can withdraw, but it says iOS 2,300 something. So those 300 must be Apple's cut. You're welcome, Apple. Yeah, so I'm just going to say consider just go ahead and unsub and then go over to Patreon and resub. I hope we don't get Apple canceled. But, yeah, if you want to. Do whatever you want. I mean, it's just incredible with the support, Donnie. Don't you think? I mean, so many. Yeah, yeah. That's patreon.com backslash wearepinball. Yeah, Conan and Joy. How about the We Are Pinball chat room in there? That's fun, too. I love those guys. They're so active in there. Yeah, they're so awesome. And they're asking, when are you doing another show? Also, when there's a new topic, what are your thoughts about this? What are your thoughts about you're not getting Star Wars in Europe? What are your thoughts about Raza? What are your thoughts about more big black? Don't say it. Don't say it. BBC's what is thought about that why are they making this game why are they making Raza what is going on I mean it's our dear friend Melvin Melvin Williams right isn't that the DPX guy dude somebody in this industry in this hobby should be friends with Melvin and say Melvin do not waste your time with all these failed games. With all these con people, con designers, thieves, stuff, just let it die. There's bad energy attached to those licenses. They're not even fully designed. They were scams, right? It's not like somebody didn't have a singular vision and they're like, I want to bring this game to fruition. They were just scamming people, throwing ramps wherever. Oh yeah, we'll put a magic girl there. We'll put a levitating magnet that doesn't work. I don't care. None of this is real anyway. Who wants a Raza? Do you want the Raza? Run these. We saw that game. It was horrible. When you start with spoiled ingredients, you're never going to make anything good to eat, man. You've got to start with good stuff, good intentions, good spices, fresh produce. They came out with what's that, Alice in Junkie Land, whatever. So all those Alices, 500 Alices should be sold and shipped out this year. How many Alices are out there now? How many hundreds? 400? We have to reach about 400 now, right? GPX is going to be writing a big check come December. So, look, like, Alice didn't fail because of the price. I mean, people were buying it. It didn't fail because of the lights. It didn't fail because of the sculpts that are in the game. It just did have lackluster bullshit design. Dude, dude, you say it didn't fail. Look at the secondary market. People are trying to sell their, what is it, Alice games now? I'm saying it wasn't those reasons that have failed. The reasons that have failed all had to do with what they got originally that they did not need, man. Melvin's a bright guy. They got designers there. Melvin's a great guy. He's just made a brand-new game. Alice in Wonderland is a great open-source license to go get. There's all kinds of crazy stuff in there. You didn't need any of this papadoo bullshit. You could have just gone in there and made something interesting and not have this. Melvin, get Robocop. Flowing plastic. Like, Ram. Robocop VS Airwolf. Get the music. Design the game. That's it, buddy. The upper playfields with the magnets that overheat, so you can't stay up there very long. Like, the Jabberwock in the back corner that doesn't do anything. You've got amazing mushrooms sculpted all over the place. The lights are incredible. But, like, it's hampered by the damn design that you didn't need. Come on, dude. Yeah. Just make something new. Who wants a Big Bang Bar? Donnie, Big Bang Bar, years back, when you were a baby, it was popular because there were, I think there were like 200 of them or something. Scarcity, right? Yeah. Just like I bought Cactus Canyon 20 years ago. There were only 903 Cactus Canyons made. I was like, whoa, I have got this ultra rare game. I have got Cactus. I paid so much money. It was craziness back then. And then I played it for three weeks. I was like, what kind of a shitty game is this, right? Exactly. But now Cactus Canyon is everywhere. It's not a rare look at the secondary market. People are trying to dump their Cactus Canyon remakes. They cannot sell their Cactus Canyon remakes. So Big Bang Bar, it's popular because there were so few of them. But when they put in more in the world, it makes something new. Let me take you on a journey real quick. Back to 1996 when Big Bang Bar was made. I think if you view the game in the time era when it came out, it kind of makes sense. It seems impressive. Here are the 1996 pinball machines. You had GoldenEye. You had Junkyard. Safecracker. Scared Stiff. Probably the best of the bunch. Space Jam. And then Tales of the Arabian Nights. So Scared Stiff and Tales. and then Big Bang Bar is probably the third most popular design of that year, you know, compared to all this stuff. But, like, why bring that out now, you know, unless it's got 3.0 code and is wowing us, you know, you're just remaking a game that is only desirable because of scarcity, not because it's good. But something happened after we got Keith Elwin. We got these figure eight shots, and after Keith Elwin, We've got Jack Danger that modified those figure-eight shots. So we have got some new pinball magical shots now that we didn't have 10 years ago. You want to do something fun? You want to do something fun? Pick up a picture of the play field for Big Bang Bar, and then pick up a photo of Galactic Tank Force and put them side by side and start noticing what was ripped off from where. Like that same single ramp to diverter issue, the same targets kind of in the same place, although they're better implemented in Big Bang Bar. The pop-up or NES is in the same place. Like there's a lot of similarities. I can see where people's eyes were wandering when it comes to design there. Who designed that game? Let me go to it. Oh, Capcom guys. To be honest, like 10, about 10, yeah, a bit more than 10 years ago. Who's Rob Morrison? Okay, but about 10 years ago, I was this dork that was obsessed with virtual pinball. Now, everybody's laughing. I know, I know. But I was like, I built three of these. And every one I built, my friends came over. They were like, it looks beautiful. It plays like crap. Then I bought three of them, built very expensive, very professional done, high end. And all three, Frankens over, they were like, what the heck? This sucks. All right. But the last one I had of these virtual pinball machines, it had Big Bang Bar in there. So I played the game. It was not a bad game. It was a fun game. It was cool to play. But would I pay $13,000, $15,000 for it? Right. No. That's the issue. Would you pay what it's going to cost to build this thing in, like, small numbers from DPX who's going to be really plussing it out and everything? No, I don't think so. And as a game, I played it virtually too just because I heard the notoriety of it and everything. It plays okay. I mean it's better than Strange Science. Strange Science is just like not fun. So it plays okay but is okay enough. I don't think so. It's not worth 15K. It's just not worth that much money unless they modify it and do a 2.0 BBB, right? Yeah. Now, on the one hand, I'm glad it's being available for more people, and it'll be cheaper than what you could get one for now. And I like the idea that it's a brand-new build, so it's not 25, 30 years old game, full of dust, smelling like grandma's closet. So I like that. So for the people that really want to have one, I'm glad it's going to be out there. From a business decision, I don't see how it gets made, though. It doesn't seem like it's going to be – it's not going to control the market. It's not going to sell out 1,000 units on day one. away what are they doing no no you know when they remove the scarcity it will tank in value so if anyone is talking with melvin he should just complete the production of those 500 games i i think he only made 50 or something that was that shipped out so just complete those 500 games and then shut all this raza blah blah blah down right and concentrate on back to the future build just Just do that instead. And while Dutch is doing that, Melvin should get a cool license from the 80s, 90s, and just design from the ground up because he's a clever guy. He has got pinball in his heart. There's nothing bad to say. But just leave all these dead projects alone and these con people's projects alone. He is better than these dead projects he's resurrecting. Dutch pinball is better than this. Perfect. Yeah, so why hammer yourself? Yeah, why kick yourself in the own nuts trying to launch a product? Yeah. All right. Today, today, we woke up to Predator gameplay video. What the heck, Donnie? I saw that. Predator gameplay. Have you watched it? No, I was working. I haven't had time to sit there and watch. And it's hard for me to watch streams anyway. But, like, what's the reception from people? I saw some comments this morning that were like, this looks even more boring than I came to realize. Like, is that true? The reception is not positive. And I had some people, leader people that hit me up because they think I'm responsible for everything with Pinball Brothers, which I'm not. But they were like, what are they doing? Why didn't they invite you? Why is this nine-year-old kid playing? We cannot hear what he's trying to say. And where is the excitement? He's as excited as the owner of this company. I'm like, I don't know. Don't ask me. I don't know. So I watched it. Okay. So two places. You have to go in and watch the gameplay video too. One of the places you can see on the screen, on the LCD, you can see Arnold jumps down to the water. Yeah, and the music changes. It's so cool music. That music and the gameplay there, that little part was awesome. and then he started hitting Predator, and that's a dangerous shot. But when he finally starts hitting the Predator instead of everything else, it cut all the new music, and it started da-da-da-da-da-da. And I waited for 30 minutes to get that tune, and it started, and I was like, yes, and he hit Predator, and the ball went down, straight down the middle. Oh, no. So I want more of that music. But do you know what they have done? Now he says, run, get to the chopper. So they have put in Ron in there. Bravo. Run. Bravo. But still, stick around, man. I mean, yeah, you know how it is. So that's cool. So they're listening. So thank you, Pinball Brothers, for listening, for updating. So they have got the correct line right now. So that's cool, right? I mean, I think this game's got potential to be pretty cool. It's just hard because we don't know, you know? I'm glad they did a gameplay video. I'm checking it out right now. Their issue is, Donnie, their issue is they are not showing anything with passion. That's the issue. They're showing everything the Swedish way, just, you know, in a box and flat, you know? I've been sending you these videos I've been getting on these Facebook reels where these guys in Scandinavia are doing these funny little clip videos of like different situations, but how they how they're done by people in different countries. And it's like they're always goofing on the Swedish guy about just being like awkward. Like it'll be it'll show a bunch of guys doing high fives or something. And like the American guy goes on for an hour. They're making fun of that. Super funny. You know, the Danish guy is like grumbling and drunk or something. And then the Swedish guy is just awkward using his wrong hand and things. So it's like, is that just the culture? Guys, Donnie is constantly sending me these clips where people from Norway, people from Denmark, they're making fun of people from Sweden. I'm like, Donnie, stop this. I'm from Scandinavia. The Norwegians are like the intelligent ones, and the Finns are like the insane, stoic Viking dudes who don't even say any words and just carry chunks of wood around with them. Maybe we just drink and eat cake. I love it. Yeah. But, yeah, they just need more passion. I mean, get some passion in this project. And this game is being built in Italy. Come on, grab some of the northern Italians, man. Have them show off the game, dude. Come on. Yeah. Bambino, show with Italiano passion. Or some, you have two Italiano women around the flipper and, you know, caressing the backbox or something. Then it will sell. I love it. I want to get one now. Because there are only 150 games left, Donnie. Did you hear that? Yeah, they must have sold so well. Now, how are they shooting themselves in the foot here? They come out with this game. It's not a huge seller. They're not really showing it off. They're not passionate about the project. And, you know, people are buying it, and then they announce, we're going to cut sales off. There's only 150 left. Go and get them, you assholes. Like, that's the message I got. They're like, well, we understand this is a failed project. We're cashing our chips. We're getting out of it. Like, that's how I feel. And I'm like, well, how am I going to be moved to jump in on this game, which has a chance of actually being pretty fun when they're just saying they've given up on it before it's even produced? That's what I was asked. One of the guys asked me, I think it was on Patreon. He was like, didn't they say that this game should ship out in August? August is over. I'm like, I'm not sure. Then he asked me, one of the guys on Patreon, he said, so correct me if I'm wrong. so they haven't built any predator games on top of that they're now saying we're stopping the production december what the heck is this true yeah that doesn't make no sense and i'm like i don't know ask ask donnie if the game comes out and people get to play it at expo or something and like it turns out it is pretty good you know there's not going to be any any sales there for anybody and it's just it's yeah it's it's it's depressing man and i saw um a guy that bought the game through joel newhart um pinball star he went to the milan factory to pick it up and he's posing there next to the game the game's wide body it looks impressive when you see it next to people for scale nice that's nice why haven't they been doing this man and like how they let this guy in the factory i was out there begging to be let in nobody let me go into the factory and check stuff out. What the heck? You have to buy it. It's just so tepid. Like, what are you doing, man? What are you doing? Well, we ordered one game to the showroom, but I'm not sure because if the production stops in two, three months, why should we have this game for the showroom? Because if we cannot, then we cannot sell it. It does not make no sense, right? Are they going to make $150 and then they'll just sit in boxes until they're sold? Or are they only going to build until December and if they don't get orders, none of them are built? And then this is the next big bang bar because there's only $50 in existence. The cool part is they ask for the full payment. And here in Europe, when you do that by law, then the game is ready to be shipped. Because you cannot ask for full payment if the game isn't ready. The thing is, last time I was at the Pinball Brothers page, I saw two times they showed the factory. Both times we saw empty cabinets. I've seen those empty cabinet photos. When they listen to this show, maybe tomorrow or the day after, they will say, if you guys and show us 100 fully populated playfield pictures. Yeah. Do it, Pinball Brothers. Yeah. And back in the day, we were mentioning that about, like, Dutch pinball, and they responded by saying, here's a live stream through the factory. Here's all our populated playfields. Here's them going in here. Here's us making the white Russians. We're pouring them right now. Look at all this activity going on, right? And then, yeah, I don't know if Pinball Brothers or the European Union is using the new Haggis Accords when they won't allow full payment before a game actually exists. Oh, we cannot even joke about stuff like that, Tony. Come on, come on. The Pimple Brothers has not conned anybody, nothing like that. They just need passion. Hire a guy that's passionate. I mean, Italiano passion. Yeah, why not? They just missing that because they made the white body game They have this awesome theme Oh Donnie when you watch it you see Arnold from the back And you see when he does something you see him from the chest and down You cannot see his face. When he jumps down the water and falls, you can see him from 100 feet or something. Yeah, he's just cut off everywhere. But I'm still hoping that some way they will get approved to have Arnold in there. I'm not into Arnold custom call-outs. I understand that. That will be expensive. But I want Arnold voice from the movies. Just the film assets. Yeah, yeah. And would you even really want Arnold now recording dialogue? It would sound totally different, you know. Yeah, it's not important with that. That will be too expensive. I mean, respect is spooky for doing it, right? But it's not a must for me, but just have him in there in the video. Just like 90 seconds worth of dialogue chopped up and scattered throughout the game would probably be plenty, you know? Yeah, yeah. And have the da-da-da-da-da music more presented because it has some – if you remember when Alien came out, it had – oh, it's Jay. Can you give me two seconds? Two seconds. Yeah, of course. Everybody, talk amongst yourselves. We'll take a time stamp. Anno Victed, can you believe that? Okay, okay. It was about J.J.P. What was his name? Vis Nagis, okay. Go there. Vis Nagis, okay. Vis Nagis, talk to you later. Hey, Vis Nagis, man. You have to learn Danish, man. My Danish is like 15,000 times better than my English. My English sucks. I don't even understand what I'm saying. But let's go back to Predator. More passion. They're listening. They're updating. They have Ron in the line right now, which is awesome. We just need – when you played Alien, it was very – the music part, it was very – Atmospheric. Yeah, very slow. And they're doing the same on Predator, actually. When you're not in the mode, it's very jungly, you know. Yeah. But we need a bit more, man. It's an action movie, you know. So we just need a bit more because I want this game to succeed. I want them to sell 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 of this game, not 150, Donnie. Right, right. And it looks like a wide-body Jurassic Park. I haven't shot it yet, but, like, you know, it's a big jungle. It's got shots kind of in the same area. It's got a little predator toy there. This game has potential to be good. It might actually be great, and it's not even being shown off. What are you doing? How stinky would it be? When is the biggest pinball show? So it's not like February or March or something next year. Yeah, so Texas Pinball Festival is in March and Pinball Expo is in October coming up next month. Those are the two big events of the year in the U.S. So how much would it stink next year when this game is out on a show and people are like, whoa, I just played Predator. It's awesome. It's not like on those two, three doll, doll videos. It's actually a fun game to shoot. fun game to play the music is awesome call us awesome everything is cool i want to buy this can you buy this unobtainium unavailable yeah sorry unavailable because they need to make those remakes big bang bar who cares about big bang bar who cares about raza what are you doing raza who cares about come on man yeah i don't know i think it's sad because it it's not it's not cheap cheap to design a game. It's not cheap to get a theme. It's not cheap to make the audio part. It's not cheap. It doesn't matter if you're building Big Bang Bar or Evil Dead. You still have to pay somebody to code it. You still have to pay an artist. There's all these fixed costs. So why get to the end of that and have something that is uninspired? Isn't the best thing you could pick to produce? Why go through all that work just for meager results? You want something that's so in demand that it's sold out everywhere, trading for higher prices your profile is blown up and then your next game has this huge cachet with it hashtag spooky pinball right now like do that yeah yeah and code wise when you watch this video clip that i think it's today what what is it it's september 3rd of september yeah um no you say september 3rd right in us yeah we do the month then the day you know like oh we do it other way yeah yeah yeah but everyone knows code wise as of right now it's a very nice playable game first of all all the lids are not just blinking like jjp no that's cool another thing you start a mission it's very clear watch a shoot it's very clear on the screen you go and hit the pop bumpers it counts down you need to hit them 40 times to start that mode you hit the ramp four times you can start locking the ball very easy reminds me of 90s code so code wise it's it's fine i enjoyed it i understand it by watching somebody else play so if i can do it everybody can do it so code wise it's cool so just get more passion into this game and stop this 150 left just put in some passion and more orders will come in yeah now did they did they sit on this license so long that they only have until December to actually build these things? Is that the reason? They want to change the factory to build some other games. And if you have IQ more than 80, then you know if they sold 5,000 games, they wouldn't have done this, right? They could just renew the licensing. So, yeah, it's a combination of low sales numbers and those other remakes that nobody's interested in. What were you just telling me that Pedretti's making next? It was Totan, right? I mean, I think you confirmed that to me. No, I didn't say anything. You're drunk and going on and on about how this is going to be the best remake ever. And Totan 3.0 is there. Oh, my God, no. I'm trying to get Jenkins in trouble. I don't know anything. This guy is an iron safe. He won't tell me anything. No. You're the same, man. No, you're not. You're like, oh, I was at Spooky's. You should see their fourth upcoming game. Oh, I 100% did do that. You're going to get me in trouble. But anybody knows I'm just – I keep my word that there's nothing there. Everybody knows. Yeah. You don't even send me photos of your side piece. What the heck? I sent one picture. Oh, that's right. Thank you. Yeah, you saw – she's 39. How does she look? Oh, my God. Come on. Listen, I've been to Denmark. I get it. I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's a nice one. Now I cannot concentrate. Oh, you're going to get canceled. Do you know what happened yesterday? I don't. We got Harry Potter in Denmark. Oh, that's right. I saw your photo. It finally showed up, huh? Did you unbox it? Did you play it? Did you cast a spell? No, no, no. Did you get your dick caught in the coin slot? I lost all the hype, excitement, everything. This doesn't work. Is this Wizard Edition? Which edition did you get? Collectors? Collectors Edition, yeah. Oh, the old sparkly. So you didn't set it up yet? No. Oh, no. so uh i maybe this weekend because because we actually have buyers for this game they are very very interested and they're so angry they haven't been able to try before by because they of course they want to try because it costs 20 000 in denmark plus tariff plus shipping right so i understand i want to try it first the issue is if they buy Right now they will get the game in like minimum six months from now. So that's another doo-doo. You know what I mean? So, yeah. But I lost all the excitement. Maybe Pimble Brothers are doing the good thing, wanting us to pay full payment so I get the game early when I'm still in this hyped mode. Maybe it's a good thing. Yeah. Can you imagine if you actually had one you could show off and maybe get some sales? if i had predator right here right at the background i would i would sell that game man put so much passion in it unless it's a stinker then i will destroy all the sales so it's a balance there so yeah i don't know i haven't yeah harry potter's a fun fast playing game with a ton of code and modes in there um you know i can't seven modes right right yeah so everything's like a 30 second mode that's i probably the only way you could cram 97 things in there but while you're playing it there's other objectives to do you know you try to go for the quidditch multiball you go for the death eater you beat a couple of them um you go explore hogwarts on top of each other yeah yeah and once you get all four of the main multi-balls then you start doing wizard mode stuff and the game opens up even more so and the whole time like the ball paths are interesting it's not like godfather where you know there's all these diverters they don't make any sense like this is actually fun watching the staircase flip around it works really great um shots are back to that staircase man it's a fun game yeah Eric Meunier he really he likes to divert or divert the ball in different paths and i love when he does does that and my brother is a huge fan of the theme so he's the only reason that i still have a bit passion in me if he wasn't here i was like Who cares about this seven-year-old child? It's a good game. There's not much I would change on it. I'd make just little things. I'd make the topper more impressive. I'd use more projection effects. It's more like kind of plussing. I heard zero negativity about Harry Potter. It's good. Everybody that has played it are saying it's a good game. Everybody. Yeah. So I hope when these customers, they come on and try the game on our showroom, that they will start ordering it. But let's see, because it will also backslash, because if they order and then we say, in eight months you will get the game, they're like, no, I'm out of here. So, yeah, that's not the way to treat your – if we had Ken Cromwell in there. Ken did his magic. Ken was amazing. I hit up Ken, what's going on? And he did something, bam, we had the game. Yeah. So we need Ken back there. They need a Ken. I don't know if they'll be half as good as Ken, but they need somebody. Ken is making show with Greg Bone now. Yeah, the Flip N Out Pinball podcast. Flip N Out Pinball, shout out to them also. Doing great there. He has got a very nice microphone voice. I feel like we're getting more Ken now than even when he was at JJP. And more Ken I'm always down with. That's amazing. But for JJP, I feel bad because they don't have someone like that. When I went down to pick up Avatar, Ken helped me load it in the truck right from the factory floor. he took me back to his cubicle and he's like you're doing an unboxing here why don't you have like three banners why don't you give these away to people here's some cool stuff that we have sitting around here do you guys need hats like he hooked me up and i've been able to like share this stuff with everybody else i go up to pick up harry potter they won't even let me in the building i gotta wait out on the loading dock for 30 40 minutes finally someone comes there and they're like we don't even sure what you're here asking for and i was like i just got a text right here from my distributor that my king is ready to pick up, which it was. But it was like they had to talk to somebody to talk to somebody to talk to somebody to figure out what's going on. It's like they didn't trust me. And then I was like, who's your sales and marketing guy? Can I approach them to get like a banner, some stickers, something? And they're like, we don't have that here. Sorry, I don't even know what you're asking me. I'm like, oh, this is so sad. We didn't know how good we had it in the Ken era. It's a sad, sad situation. Oh, my goodness. They need that public-facing person that is just like, hey, let's hype up. When Toy Story 4 was coming out, Ken did that video talking about how you could secure that lustrous CE and building hype for Toy Story even. And it's like we don't have that now. We don't have that now. Where's the passion? Where is it? Where's the passion? Designers can't do it all. They're busy. And their skills are in design, and they're good in interviews, but not conducting them. You need that person, that pizzazz. I know they can afford it. It happens when you have a money man at the background. When this is not spooky. When you don't have to sell all the games. When you don't... We just need some sort of... We need you to go in and work at this industry, Donnie. It's important. If only. Who would I find to hire me, though, is the problem. I'm for sale, but yeah, what's going on? If only. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. If only. Oh, my goodness. I want to say something. Yes. I want to say something because can you see my T-shirt? Mad Pinball. Can you see it says Mad Pinball? Yeah. I believe that's the greatest distributor in the United States, by the way. Yeah, our great guest, Jeff, in here sponsoring our show. The show we did with Jeff, it's still our number one most listened show. So we need to have Jeff over here again. He sponsors this channel, and we say here on this show, if you want to buy the upcoming Star Wars game, contact Jeff at MadPinball. Just mention us. Say hi from Don. Say hi from me. Just write on the code WAP, and you will get 25% off. No, you won't. Oh, God. He's going to kill us. now you will get great service i'll guarantee you that because jeff really has this in his heart wait on it wait wait wait you will have great service you will get free shipping in the u.s i mean how cool is that and you will get an awesome t-shirt wait we will show everything wait donnie let me just okay wait wait wait wait give me two minutes i'm gonna say this So we did this for a month or two now, getting the support, also getting the distro info about how our game's selling and blah, blah, blah. You guys, you really took this and you used the code WAP every time you bought from Jeff. And every time you did that, you got a WAP t-shirt and some WAP stuff that Donnie sent out to you. when this happened we got building up a kickback so all of a sudden donnie hits me up with this screenshot look what we just got and we got paid like mother mothers like right donnie so it's not only patreon but we got yeah we got from mad pinball it was like Cha-Bradlee Ching! And I was like, wow. Right, Donnie? Thank you, everybody, by the way. Heck yeah, we were like, whoa. So first of all, thank you to Mad Pinball. Second of all, thank you for everybody that through this buys from Mad Pinball and supports us. This is awesome. So what did we do with all that money? We gave it away. We gave it away. So I came up with the idea when I played Pebble, We Are Pebble, I was like, this show should be named We Are Pinball. Wop, that was my idea. And people loves it. Right, Donnie? Absolutely. So Donnie came up with an idea. He said, do you know this old game from Nintendo that was called Contra? And I'm like, retro, jingo here. I know everything about Contra. so he was like couldn't it be awesome if you were arnold and i was sly and we did the wop makeover and i was like connie i love this idea let's go ahead and do that all right he said and i forgot about it and one morning bam mike bernard who's mike bernard mike bernard pinball artist known for not only jaws but also rush's entire pinball art package and who's been doing a ton of content, not only just on his own sunburned designs, but also for other content folks. He's done a lot of graphics for myself. He did the Wonka graphic for me. He's done graphics for the Pinball Studio, amongst others, man. The guy's a legend. Certified, certified stern pinball art designer. So, of course, I asked him what games are you designing for? What games are you making art for? We're not going to talk about that here, Donnie, right? But Donnie hits him up And he makes this trifecta. So Michael Barnard, Donnie, and I on Messenger, bam! They have been talking. They're sending me this info. They're sending me this picture that Mike Bernard made, me and Donnie. I was like, what the heck? This is so awesome! So Donnie's telling you. Oh, don't upset Jamie, man. I'm sorry, Jamie. Jamie McGuire, he'll be angry. It's been an hour. I'm sure he's done with his walk. Donnie, show us the T-shirt. show us the t-shirt look at this guys look at this look at this beauty Michael Barnard we are pinball and look at the at the left right button it says nintendo certified on our t-shirt it says wap is here to fuck shit up look at the back so yeah there we go certified geez we are pinball man here to fuck shit up so we got these t-shirts made and paid to Michael Barnard we love it so we shared a couple of pictures. Oh my God, Tony. How has the sales of these t-shirts been? Come on. I'm sold out. I'm shipping them to Canada. I'm shipping them to the U.S. I just sent a shipment to Australia. The reorder is in. The reorder is in right now. I've got a couple of days. I'll get the new supply and then we can go again. Two ways to get these. One of them is $30. Contact us at wearepinball69 at gmail.com. Give me a t-shirt size and an address and it will be on its way to you. We will do Venmo or PayPal. Or when you buy a game from Jeff at MadPinball.com or Corbin at MadPinball.com and say, hey, WAP sent me over here, code WAP something, you will get one of these for free sent to you with whatever pinball swag I can manage to grab and shove into SAC and send it to you. Which if you do that, I found out it's very helpful. Email them, order your game, use code WAP, and then email us at wearepinball69 at gmail.com and give me your address and your T-shirt size. That'll give you right. Remember the shirt size guys. I can't send it unless you tell me where I'm sending it and what size you are. Cause I don't want to give you the wrong size, buddy. And we have it with white background. We have it with the gray Nintendo box art background. And Mike is like, whatever you want guys, we can do this. We can do transparent. We can do any. Oh, he's just magical. That guy. And I mean, I'm so happy with the, it came out so good. It came out so good. yeah man it's so awesome so people are awesome but the coolest messages we're getting when they buy these t-shirts are we are going to represent wop at the next show so people are going to wear the wop shows you know how fun it was when i first started and like i start going to shows and like i was like i don't care if my podcast is good my merchandise is going to be amazing and like the first time i went to a show and i saw somebody wearing one of my shirts it was like That is the fucking best thing I've ever seen. And so I'm committed to making really cool stuff. And I wanted WAP to have something better than what we had offered before. And the new Contra logo is so dope, man. It's so good. We are paying certified Sturton designer to make it. And it's – okay, this is paid by Matt Pinball. But it's through our people that are listening to the show. It's people that are supporting us. I mean, I haven't seen none of those money because we're buying programs. We're buying editing programs. We're buying stuff. We're just reinvesting. If you're going to give us money, we're going to use it to do some cool stuff and get it back to you. That's what this is. That's what this collective community movement is about. But what is this that we're doing this show for sell Donnie's mods only? What is this, Donnie? I haven't even mentioned any of my amazing mods. Dude, don't buy my mods. I don't care. I'm making them anyway. I'm making cool stuff for myself. If that's what you want, come and get it. Yesterday, Tony sent me some pictures. He made a Dungeons & Dragons topper. How cool is that? What the heck? Have you shot that? Have you shot that anywhere? It's been on my Discord. It's been on Patreon, but it hasn't really left yet because I'm still working on it. I want to get the final design and have it ready. And I'm thinking of entering. You need to light them up, but other than that, I love it. It's going to happen. That's going to happen. That's the next process I'm working on. So I'm making this cool dungeon scene that will sit on top of the game because you're in a dungeon in the game, and I'm going to gush on D&D. I've been playing that game now this last week. I'm back into it. Several code updates have come out. I bought my first trinket. Like, this game is fun. It's different than anything else that's out there. It's nerdy D&D. It's RPG. it's me playing a game at home and leveling up my characters and going on adventures. And I keep playing over and over and over again until I can finish that mode and get the magic armor. And that is what I like. I love that. Every time I play this game, I'm playing it different. And that's what I look for in pinball because there's so many things to do. Sometimes you're, you're almost towards the dragon multiball. So you focus there. And if you get that one, then go get gelatinous cube and then go into a dungeon and then play the dice game. Or sometimes I'm just locked in quests and it's like, not even about the multi balls. I'm just trying to kill fricking minotaurs. And so like every game is a new adventure depending on how it goes. I love that in pinball. This one does it D and D gush over. I think it's a great idea with all this Dwight Sullivan making these very deep deep continuable rule set for the home players It pretty new It started with Venom as I remember and it a great welcome Not in every game but you know Dwight games yeah it a great welcome I love it. Like, I hated Venom at first. I'm like, this game is so fucking frustrating. And then, like, once I figured it out, once I learned the shots, I was like, okay, I'm unlocking all the characters now. I'm playing as Captain America in a zombie form. There's Venom. This is awesome. It was just fun. I love the idea of unlockable characters. I think the first time I experienced it was in Street Fighter 2 or was it in Taken? When you went through the whole game, you started unlocking these locked characters, stuff like that. I love it, man. That's the best. Like I love Mortal Kombat, right? And when they started adding the crypt and as you're playing, you're gaining in-game currency, and then you can go and unlock and open things, and that's how you get new fatalities and characters. Because like fighting games are pretty shallow, right? You get your characters, the battles, but that's essentially the entirety of the game. So putting in this other unlockable and experience building, it just adds so much replay value to go back to it and keep playing and grinding through it for more things. Bring that to pinball. I want all of that. I'd love that. Let me unlock stuff. Now when I go on location and I scan in and play Venom and I pick Venom Wolverine, it's like, look at me, dude. I've unlocked this guy. I'm playing this cool character. My levels are super high. I know where the shots are. Like, I feel like a boss. Even though I don't have Venom anymore, I can go on location, log in, and I'm picking up my game right where I left off with all my unlockable characters. Man, imagine if they had unlockable skins and outfits and you could customize them just to show off at the arcade. Like, I would love to do that. Yeah. And it also works on the arcade because of the Insider Connected because people want to come back and get all the new stuff. I mean, not everybody can buy these $13,000 games, so you also have to think about the arcade version also. Looking at the background, is that Kong Topper? Oh, yeah, my Kong Topper's going nuts over here. That one will also be entered in the Top Topper contest at Expo, which I want to make sure I talk about. I'm running a homemade homebrew topper contest at Expo, and if you enter and have a chance to win by votes, you will win yourself a Kong Topper from the Electric Playground. They're donating that. I've got a play field I'm giving away to a winner just for voting. What play field? It's either going to be a Wonka or a Scooby-Doo. I haven't decided yet. Hell, maybe I'll bring them both. I don't know. But just for voting in this thing, you will get a chance to win because we'll be pulling randomly a voter's name, and if they're present, they get some prizes. And I've had other companies donating prizes as well. So a very good chance on winning something if you enter this. I'm going to bring my toppers by to show off. I'm not going to take a prize or anything. But, yeah, hopefully I'll have the D&D topper and the Kong topper at minimum at the show. It's going to be over by the homebrew area. We're going to have a booth there. I'm thinking of bringing my T-shirt supply, and we can make them there live. You can customize them and stuff. It'll be super fun, man. I can't wait. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, Donnie. That's cool. Yeah, cool. Grab something and cobble it together and bring it, man. I've been working with Rob Burke, the guy that runs the show, and he's hooked me up with the booth space there. He's like, Don, we want you to run this thing. And I'm like, bet. Let's go, man. So if you've got some kind of homemade thing that you made for your game, bring it in. Bring it in. Free to enter, and you'll probably win a prize. Nice. Donnie? Yes, sir. Are you done with the mega work hours so we can make show when Star Wars comes out? Or how much time do we need? 100%. I am off all week. I'm going to the media day, and I think I might even sneak into distributor day a day early. So you're going to have some content here next week about Star Wars. We will meet and talk about this because I want to make sure we're whopping. And, guys, when Don is in there, he turns on his phone, and I get a live show in there. So I'm like I'm walking there together with Donnie. So, yeah, that's really, really cool. I'm not shy, man. We're going to show this game off. And, oh, my God, like, this is so exciting because I don't know what this game is. Nothing's leaked out yet. I know two flippers and an AT-ST, and there's going to be a giant slug Jabba on the premium and LE. That's all I know. And I don't know if this is a re-theme of Avatar. I don't know if this is another monster. I don't know if it's Data East reborn. I have no idea until I watch the trailer, and then, like, all will be revealed. And then we're going to gush about it. I'm going to be super excited, man. I hope it's a great game. It's the theme of the mother-effing year. Absolutely. And I'm so hyped for this, man. Wow. I'm this close from going to Costco and picking up a home version just to have another Star Wars game next to a Star Wars game next to a Star Wars game. We cannot buy that in Europe, so I don't know anything about it. That's it. Oh, man. That's another one you can't get. Man, you European losers, man. Canada's right. We're losers over here. I know. All you have is the beautiful women and awesome food and high standard of living, but you're fucking losers. Don't get Star Wars. We have no guns on the street. We're losers, Donnie. Yeah. How do you even – imagine going to a Taco Bell without your gun on your hip. I mean how do you even – I don't even know how you live and breathe over there to be honest. Our rules are so strict. If you are a handyman that's on your way from a home from work, if you have – with your tools in your car, if you have a knife, you know, those knives you click-a-click open. Yeah, yeah. What are those called in the U.S.? Utility knife, razor knife, box cutter. Yeah, yeah. If you have a utility knife that's not locked in your baggage – what's it called? Trunk. Trunk, yeah. If it's not locked in there, you will get a fine. You could go to jail. If you're a handyman, that little knife is not even allowed here. Nothing. And that's how we prefer it over here. So, yeah, it is what it is. But, of course, there are psychos out there doing some shit. But, yeah, other than that, we don't have stuff like that over here. Yeah, go ahead. No, sorry. Oh, I was just in Singapore, right? And Singapore has a reputation of having the most like Titan laws ever, you know, like spit gum on the street. They cane you. And it didn't feel like that. It didn't feel oppressive when I was there. And damn it if it wasn't like I wish Las Vegas could be like this, like clean, orderly, people having fun, awesome food, awesome high-end merchandise, like casinos that look like they stepped out of a Bond movie, great Carl Weathers, palm trees, awesome beaches. And I'm like, yeah, there's something to say about some order at least, you know, within reason. Donnie, I want to say the show is over. We're over an hour now. But I have a little downer story I want to share here because this is really heartbreaking. Really heartbreaking. Wait a second. This is what I experienced. Do you want to drop that now or do you want to go over to the Patreon show and share it over there? No, I want to share it here. I want everybody to listen to this because we're going to make a show next week let's do a patron show there also okay let's just continue okay but i also have an idea like like when we are this long in the show this is just an idea i think 50 of the listeners jumps off because over an hour is just it's just an idea do you listen to a whole show when it's this long if i'm working like downstairs on some stuff yeah but um i get what you i get what you mean you know You commute back and forth a couple times, and then if it's over an hour, that second hour is harder to get into. Yeah. So I think the listener right now that's still here is the hardcore listener that really likes what we're doing. Okay. As you all know, I love everything America. For me, pinball is just Americana, muscle cars, beautiful women. I love everything America. My son wants to be an actor. So we were planning that we should move to America. So when he started at this private school, they said that this year, eighth grade, they have to fly to San Francisco and be there for two weeks and see whales and experience the U.S. culture. I still live there, yeah. It's so cool. And it will cost us like $15,000. And we should pay like $2,000 every year. And we paid, we paid, we paid. That's cool. And my son is the guy that's most hyped because he's going to experience USA with his classroom. So we got called in yesterday because my son is an eighth grader now, and we have to prepare for this thing. We got called in. So, oh, this is so heartbreaking. So the team, the classroom, two classrooms from Denmark flew to U.S. like three weeks ago, as they do every year. But this time, they fly over. So at the airport, all the light-haired Viking kids from these two classes, they just showed the Danish pass, and they just come into the U.S. So a teacher that has got light skin just like me but black hair just like me, he got randomly picked. So they take his Danish passport, and he's like, you cannot enter. We have to see what you have been writing on Instagram, on Facebook. So they hold him, the teacher. And the teacher is at my age. He's one of my friends, and he's just this pure, positive, lovable guy. So they hold the teacher back. And there's a kid that has got black hair just like me. They randomly pick him also. And there are two girls from the other classroom that has got black hair, but our skin color is the same, but my hair is black. So they take those two girls, those two kids, 14-year-old kids, So they hold these four randomly selected black hair back, and all the Viking-looking kids from Denmark and all the other teachers, they come into the U.S. So they cannot come in, and they're just confused what's going on. So the other kids could not just go in and leave one of the teachers and three of the other students. It was just chaos. and the teacher's wife put something on the internet that they found out about so he couldn't enter. And it was just chaos because of this new security you have got over there. So they actually dropped everything. And so the day after, both classes came back to Denmark. That's terrible. Yeah, so we got called in and the teacher said to us, I mean, eighth class, we have to fly over the ocean. So we will not visit America. We can visit Canada. We can visit, I don't know, Mexico, something else, but not US. I had this info yesterday. I don't have the courage or what's it called, share it with my son. I'm going to do it this weekend. And I'm so heartbroken because it's going to hit my son so hard. And when the principal of the school, when she was talking to the parents of two classes, she said, and Cengiz, you have the only, you know, dark-haired kid in here. So they will probably hold him back. And he's like, what the heck? I mean, it's just so heartbreaking. And it's just – it takes all the excitement from me to move to U.S. What the hell, man? I mean, those kids. Yeah, so we have a thing. Our capital is in Washington, D.C. And so generally, school-age kids, once they get almost to high school, they all take a school trip to the capital, go to the museum, see the monuments. Like, it's super fun. I got to do it when I was a kid. They're going to do that. Yeah, so next year is the year my daughter is supposed to go. And now we have the National Guard is armed on the streets against the citizens and watching for protests or anything. And if you look sideways, you can be disappeared. Wait, wait, wait. What's National Guard? Do you mean military or what? Yeah, so they're military. It's a branch of military or people that have normal jobs and live in the area, and they're kind of reserved. So if there's a natural disaster and they need to call up troops and do military-type operations to set up hospitals and stuff, that's what they are. But they're all being called up and put in these cities because we're being told that crime is out of control and these people need – the troops need to be placed on the streets. And they're in Washington. Okay, so more security, you mean. Yeah, so they're in Washington, D.C. right now. Now, crime in Washington, D.C. is better than it's been in decades, but now there's just armed soldiers that are out there. And so, like, you know, our daughter's class is they're getting ready for their trip to go out there. And we're thinking, like, if there's, like, armed guards out on the streets, maybe it's not safe for them to go there. You know, so they're looking at getting their Washington, D.C. trip canceled because of that, too. Like, it's happening to us here. Wait, I don't get it. If you have more guards, isn't it more safe then? Well, I don't know because I don't know why they're there. It's hard for a European to understand. So we're being told that the crime is so bad and so out of control in Washington, D.C., that it's not safe. And so they had to send military-type troops in there. And so if it's not safe to the point that they have to send military in, how is it safe for my kid to be over there with her teacher and 20 other kids trying to go to museums and things if it's not that safe? It doesn't make sense to me, though. So I just – we don't know what's going on, and no one's feeling easy about letting their kids just go on their school trips now to D.C. Oh, man. I'm just – yeah, what a situation. I'm just so heartbroken because I have this kid that has got U.S. dreams in him. He's been looking forward to this. We want to move there. And, like, you got a stern invite. Are you going to show up to Chicago's airport and then be turned away because they're going to be going through your phone? You're back? Yeah. What the heck, man? I will go printer on their asses. I'm going to go medieval in their asses. I mean, traveling by plane that long, like the first thing you want to do when you land is get out of the airport, get to a hotel, get some food, go relax. You don't want to be stuck in the airport and then have to get on a flight back for what reason? Two years ago, it wasn't like this. When we showed, because Denmark and U.S. are just great allies, when we showed the Danish passport, it was like, woohoo, come on inside, buddy. Right. And same, I've flown into Copenhagen before, and it was like, yep, walk right on through. Welcome, have fun. No, no messes. And weekends are still great. Welcome over here. No, no trouble there. We love to eat our cakes over here. Oh, absolutely. Give me some of those Danish cakes. One of those video clips I sent you yesterday with Danish cake, I want some. Yeah, Donnie. Yeah. I just wanted to end the show like that. But on top of that, listen to this. On top of that, this is bummer day. This morning I woke up sending my son to school. I'm thinking how I'm going to break these news because, yeah. So I had this arcade machine. So a guy hits me up. I want to sell the arcade. He comes over here. I have this. My girlfriend is over here. And, you know, school is open. So from 9 to 2, it's single mom's time. You know what it is, you know. Yeah, so I'm like, okay, get the arcade. and get the hell out of here, right? That's how I am, right? Donnie. And I'm down about what's going on, and he's like, oh, I watch a lot of your videos. I feel like we're friends. And I'm like, all right. Okay, so this arcade, you can see you turn it on here, and he just starts talking and talking and talking, and he's this kind of guy that I just cannot – he's this kind of guy that says something, that pokes to you, and then, hey, I'm just joking. Oh, right, right. I'm just joking. yeah i'm so funny and 85 of every joke is the truth you just don't have the balls to say it and keep what you're saying so these guys that say something i was just joking shut up so he did this 15 times in 10 minutes he was i was just joking i was like oh my god can you just take this game and get the fuck out of here. It was like, it was just this four seconds of dead silence. He was like, big eyes and everything. And I said to him, I was just joking. He got it. He was like, yeah, it's getting late. Here's the money. Oh my, get the fuck out of here. That doesn't even work with my wife. Like I'll say something stupid and she'll look at me like fucking asshole. And I'm like, oh, but I was just joking. And it's like, I don't get away with that. It's like, no, no, you're an ass. Those guys, it's just, yeah, on top of each other and on top of everything. All of a sudden I got hit up by Donnie. He just writes, we need to make a show. I'm like, hey, buddy, let's do this. So this show, I have been down, a bit down. I hope people forgive me. But, yeah, I'm just joking, John. I'm just joking. Oh, my God. Yeah, so here's to some brighter tomorrows, hopefully, you know, and some more reason. Because I love travel, and I don't want to, you know, go somewhere and worry about not being able to get out or something. I mean, India had rockets firing, and they still let me in, military checkpoints and stuff. Wow, wow. But I'm so thankful, you know, Zach Sharp, he invited me over there. And I'm like, I cannot take the risk, man. I got to get you to the Spooky Pinball midnight launch of their next game. We're all going to camp out in front of the factory. And at midnight, we're going to get up and, like, get in line and try to put our deposits in. And probably nobody's going to be there, but it's going to be awesome. Spooky Luke, you know, after our last interview, Spooky Luke, we talked for like two hours when we shot off the cameras, you know. Spooky Luke, he's just like me. He's such a cool guy, and, you know, the vibes I'm getting from him, he knows when they open the door for me, I don't take a no for an answer. I will walk in and check out everything. So I'm not sure they will let me in there because if they say, no, you cannot go in this room because this is a game we will release in two years, I will just, I get the fuck out of here. Let me go in. They know how I am. I'm not sure they will let me in. I can't imagine, like, me, you, and Luke on ATVs tearing ass around the cornfields in Wisconsin. Oh, I would love it, man. Yeah. Also, Buck, are you crazy? I love that kid. Oh, yeah. He loves Arnold movies. Arnold cigars, shooting, fire arrows at things. Oh, my God. We're going to have so much more. The only thing is you have this one-wife Ryan Policky over there. Because when I'm there, we need to go out and have some happy endings and all that shit. That's not possible when you guys are married. What the heck, Tony? I can introduce you to some people. We need to help some single mothers out there. We love single mothers. They're the best, man. I love them. Support single moms. I love single ladies. Are you sure this shouldn't be on Patreon? Because I feel a bit restrained. Oh, my God. We should have jumped over to Patreon. I told you. I'm sorry. All right. But we will have a show. So 10th is the media day. Yes. Then 9th will be distro day. And I think, is it the 8th they will release the trailer? It's usually like that, right? No one said, but last time with Kong, they released the trailer like one or two days before the media day. So probably that's what they're going to do. On the 8th, it's a Monday. That makes sense. So we'll probably, on Friday, we might get another teaser that shows a picture of the AT-ST or whatever. But then Monday I'm expecting the trailer will come out. The 9th is when Distros will play it. The 10th is when Media will play it. And then we're off to the races. Actually, I think Zach, he actually told me if you're not available there, you can actually play the game at – I'm checking out. Oh, yeah, there's another show going up. We'll have games available for the public at the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown in Denver, Colorado, September 19th to 21st. There you go. All right. There you go. I think it's okay we share that, right? Yeah, perfect. All right. So, yeah, so a public appearance of the game. If you can't get to Chicago, you're on the West Coast, go to Denver. Cool town. Go to Mellow Mushroom. I love me some Denver. So, yeah, that works. I love U.S., man. I want to move over there. just let me in. Okay. We would have so much fun over here with you too. Oh my God. Oh my God. All those happy endings. It's going to be cool. Let's end the show. Let's end the show. And we'll be back when we see Star Wars. Right, Tony? That's it. Thank you to everybody. Bye. Let's see the t-shirts. 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