The King of the Road Who is never coming down It's a one man game When they call his name He's singing Viva, Viva, Viva Geneva Viva, Viva, Viva Geneva He'll keep that chance And make that leap He's a man of the dream And a promise to keep And there's nothing too hard And there's nothing too steep When he meets that crowd They shout out loud, singing, viva, viva, viva conmigo, viva, viva conmigo. Viva! Viva! Hello and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George, and I'm here with the man who put the dare in Daredevil, the resident risk taker, Super Dave. Hello! Hello! You fucker. Try it again. Did I step on your line? Yes, you did. Yes, you did. But I'm probably going to end up using this because you weren't expecting that. I wasn't expecting that. I was ready to come up as Rodney. You didn't even get to say hello, George. But anyway, you really got to. Oh, hi, George. No, not. Hi, George. Folks, we're together, as you can see. George, I feel like Rowdy, Rowdy, Roddy Piper. No, first of all, I barely know who Super Dave is. I'm guessing you probably have a better recall. Yeah, I think it was any part of some puppet thing. No, didn't he have like a... Super Dave Osborne. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. Didn't he wear like an Evel Knievel suit? He did. And he had a cape and that kind of crap? He did, actually. Yeah. Oh, so actually that was a pretty good reference then. Yeah, not bad. Evel Knievel kind of got together. I just kind of remember a guy in a white jumpsuit. That's all I remember. Did he wear a helmet because he was always doing crazy stuff? Was he a daredevil? Super Dave Osborne? I think he just got hit on the head once too many times. Okay. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Or dropped on his head. Okay, so last we spoke, we were... Uh-oh. Oh, meeting with George. Oh, that's you. All right, good. Never mind. I can cancel that, George. Go ahead. Last we spoke, we were sitting in a hotel room in Girard, Ohio, we're going to talk about the ride home a little later i think we should probably talk a little bit about today's subject so people aren't saying okay where's the pinball and we'll come to some of the more personal items that people seem to like especially gotta thank everybody again last two episodes have been stellar, off the chart. And we talked about a tournament. So go figure that. I think we talked about a tournament, but in our own... Well, Raging Dave, or Grumpy Dave, or... Grumpy, Grumpy Tournament Guy. Get off my lawn, Dave. Yeah, you know. Don't worry, I'll wind you up. Yeah, believe me, I'll talk a little later, but speaking of ramp games, I carried that grumpy ramp game tournament guy into my rush game and i no no no no no i can't play that now rush now i can't play we'll have the rush moment later i promised everybody there'll be a small segment every show but not right now i won't but i have a great allegory later on okay so let's let's start today's subject is evil kadeevel i actually went back and listened to the double dare or whatever the double up show we did a couple back and at the end you did the tease with evil knievel do you have anything you can tell us about the art or you know the kind of stuff we normally start with and then i'll get into evil knievel the guy the person sure the daredevil sure uh Paul Faris did the artwork he did a lot of great belly games from that time frame paragon centaur and a host of others. And Gary Gaten did the design of the game. Now, who's Gary Gaten? I've seen that name before. He had some parents with a sense of humor. That's what he had. Do you even know who he is? No. But I know I've seen him somewhere here. Let's see. He did Fireball 2. Oh, he did Hot Dog. Hot Dog and Lost World. Ooh, Lost Cause. Yeah, Lost Cause. Some stinkers. Star Trek, another stinker. Not looking too good here for the portfolio. with strikes and spares. Yeah. Not a lot of strong work, George. We're not doing very well there, are we? No, designed by him. So I think this is a fairly, the only design that was, that really worked, I think, for him. And for me. Let's talk about the rise of Evel Knievel. He was pretty much an unknown in the 60s. And I think his claim to fame, at least something that people of my generation and maybe one or two more, is when Wide World of Sports was on. Say that three times fast. And I believe in their intro, they showed him crashing at Caesar's Palace. Wasn't that one of his... And the agony of defeat. Right, wasn't that? That and the guy with the... The guy on the downhiller, the skier downhiller, and he crashes into the gate and barely gets the ski right through his torso. That guy. Those are the good old days, George. So that's kind of where Evil Knievel got known. What in the wide, wide world of sports is going on here? He had a hell of a run up until, and you've heard me talk about this in other podcasts, September 8th, 1974, when he jumped the Snake River Canyon in a steam-powered cycle. Think about that one for a second. Steam-powered. Why steam powered? I have no idea. In reading about it, and I actually saw it live in Madison Square Garden on closed circuit TV well before streaming and everything else, where fights and big events would be broadcast on the screen. He actually made it to the other side of the canyon in his jump. Yeah. But because the... The wind. that was one but it's because the parachutes opened too soon right right away yes that's his problem he would have made it he would have made it what date was that again that was september 8th 1974 now before that i believe i read in 1973 maybe you owned one of these because you're a little bit younger than i am did you ever own an evil kenevil stunt cycle i did not but my neighbor kid did. So you know what that is? I do. So... Great fun. Did you have to... You either kind of whine, crank, hit a button. Like a pull thing? And one of the pull things, little teeth on it. You pull it, a little gyroscope in there would kind of like... Okay, so he must have made... Because those were big toys back in the day. Well, that was like the pro in the LE of Evel Knievel at that point back in there. He made a lot of money on toys. to get another rush reference. So now we come to the next inflection point. What did you just say? I said, I got another rush reference in. See, I'm looking at my notes and I'm not paying attention to you. That's how hard it is doing this, folks. But I have the editing button. Anyway, so 1977, June of 1977 was the next big inflection point for Evel Knievel. He had other jumps. He jumped buses in London and, I don't know, over sharks. He did all kinds of crazy stuff. He broke 400 and some iPhones. Wait, wait, wait. Fonzie jumped the shark. He actually jumped the sharks. In practice, he hit some cameraman that was off on the side of the ramp. He hit the guy and he got injured, so he never jumped over the shark tank. Oh, so he didn't do it, but Fonzie did it for him. Right, on the water skis. Ah, yeah. So, June of 1977, two big things happened. He had a movie. Now, I'm wondering, I actually watched this movie. I should get paid for watching this movie. Have you ever heard of the movie Viva Knievel? No, is it as bad as that horrible Kiss movie where he went to the amusement park? I don't even know what that is. Oh, that's just as bad. Probably made by the same people. Really bad. This movie came out at the same time the pinball came out in June. So he was having a big rip. The movie, long story short, he had some decent people from the time, I guess. Gene Kelly was in the movie, Red Buttons. How about Leslie Nielsen and Dabney Coleman? Wow, that's some talent. So the premise of the movie basically was, Evil Knievel's going to go do some stunt thing down in Mexico. They're going to kill him. They're going to make a replica of his touring semi. They're going to stuff it full of cocaine with him in the back and bring it back across to the United States. So it's kind of like... There's a love interest. There's an abandoned kid. There's all kinds of other stuff. it's a it's a pretty bad movie so you're saying it's like smoking the bandit not done as well with coke no smoking in the bandit's much better that was core's beer now we're going to go for coke this was this was sounds like a winner george anyway so so the movie comes out at the same time the pinball machine comes out and the pinball machine is pretty successful right how many did they make? Like 15,000? Maybe more? A lot. They made... How many did they make, George? Well, let's see. Let's go to the Wayback Machine here. They made 14,000 units. Okay, that's a lot of units. And I got three of those. Go ahead, George. We're going to talk about the rarity and everything else. Here's where the wheels came off for Evil Knievel. I get it. I see you did there. Now I have the bad dad jokes. Sure. Okay. Are you finished? I'm done. Go ahead, George. Three months later, with arms in casts, him and his goons went with a baseball bat and assaulted a writer who wrote a book about him, and he didn't agree with what was written in the book. so he popped him several times with the bat. Well, that's fair. But think about that. He's got arms and cast because, like, weeks before he was in some crash again. So he's there beating this guy with a baseball bat with two casts on his arm. That's a tough guy right there. Within three years, he was bankrupt. People, the movie tanked. His toy line was discontinued. he was basically a pariah and finished. And then enter Robbie Knievel who tried to carry on the Taderson did not work out too well though. You don't have notes for that do you? Are we talking about Evil Knievel? Yeah but his son Robbie too but forget about Robbie Knievel. Okay. His suit didn't fit. He looked kind of fat in it. He kind of looked like, I don't know, didn't work out. So he looked like a stuffed sausage. Stuffed sausage, yes. So So, six months in jail, finds, his career's over. So, the story of Evil Knievel. You said you have three of them. Correct. Hard game to find? Hard game? I don't see them come up for sale often. They don't come up for sale that often, no. I will say one is a customer's game he brought to me about a year ago, and I'm just finishing it now. Typically these days it's taken close to a year to do this stuff. Let's talk about that for a minute. Sure. You also made the pronostication, I don't know what date, but it had to be early February when we recorded that double episode. you made the pronostication of oh, I'll be done with these games at the end of February. Insert clip here. Oh boy. Well, you know. I actually went back and listened. Sometimes time gets away from people. Yeah, you're a little late. Yeah, you know. You know, you got other things going on. Like, I don't know. Life. Now, I didn't look it up. Maybe you remember. did they make a hard top for this game i think at one point they did uh but then what was the game we saw at and we've talked about this before at pintastic 2019 there was that really nice evil knievel there didn't that have a hard top on it i'm only asking because we just went to pin brew and the guy was there with the hard top i think it did it did have a hard top but i think i looked that's Psych of the Hard Tops, and that title's not there anymore. Other titles are, so I don't know if it had to go away because of maybe a rights thing or something. I don't know. Could definitely be. Planetary, well, Planetary probably owns the rights, but I'm guessing Evel Knievel's people as well want, they got their handouts saying, hey. And maybe Harley Davidson as well because they have, I think that's on the play field, right? The number one. Yeah, no horns on there yet. So that's their trademark. So they probably got their hand out too. Yeah, but you can buy stickers for the game. No, you can buy it. I mean, it's, you know, sometimes they want the pub, but whatever. Anything else you want to talk about with the game? I have a whole bunch of other subjects we can talk about before we go and play. Well, okay. Well, maybe later on. I have a compare and contrast with the lovely ramp game the other one, which I won't mention the name because I'm not supposed to. You can't mention that yet. I will start that conversation when ready. And I want to compare and contrast that to Evel Knievel. So I have some data there, but we can wait on that one. Okay. I'm hearing my earpiece from the control room. Yes, we just finished an Evel Knievel, the one that was a year in the making. supposed to be done in February, but it didn't work out. But it's done now. Now this is the customer's game. Customer's game. Okay. Yep, so we're going to get to play that, George. Okay. Can we shift gears? Yeah, go ahead. I'll give you a couple of things we could talk about. Why don't we talk about the trip home? Abbreviated version. Okay. I can even start your story to get you to the point. Yeah, go ahead. So I left early Sunday morning. I left at 5.30. less than an hour out I hit a full-blown snowstorm on Route 80 in Pennsylvania probably for close to an hour I'm very very happy that I still had my snow tires on my car that was my ride home plus making a wrong turn and continuing for the entire trip on Route 80 to New Jersey through New Jersey through New York and up through Connecticut. It was over a nine-hour ride. I was grateful to be home in my bed, not being able to hear trucks on Route 80. Dave, on the other hand, left on Monday, I believe, right? Or did you? No, you left on Sunday to go to dinner. Yes. And you went on a five-hour ride. Right. And you stayed somewhere close by to Allentown. Correct. But the person that you were having dinner with lived 45 minutes away. Right. So not only did you drive five hours, you then drove at least 45 minutes in one direction and another 45 in another to get home. Yeah, kind of, George. Okay. Tell us about what happened coming home from dinner, I believe. It was a lovely dinner with Dave and his wife, Heather. Great time. Yeah, the Daves. One of the Daves. Fantastic. Real good Restorer guy, too. He does a fantastic job, another fellow restoration guy. So, got in the car, and we went to his house with some stuff, and now it's getting late. We wanted to check in at the Allentown place. We have a nice bed and breakfast. We stay there. And, you know, it's between 9 and 10. And all of a sudden, I look at the clock, and it's like it's 10 o'clock. We have a 45-minute ride or so to get there. But when I looked at the map originally, it's like, oh, it's a highway thing. We'll just go on the highway to get from Dave's house to the Allentown place. Once I got on the road, I tried calling them and said we're going to be late, more like 11 o'clock, so wait for us kind of thing, don't lock the door, voicemail, whatever. So I got on the road, and we're driving, and the GPS isn't quite keeping up with me. It was no highway. There were roads going through the country, but a two-lane road. I said, okay, well, we'll just go here, and I missed a turn. Oh, turn left. Oh, rerouting. It's like, oh, I'm just going to turn around. I'm just going to. And as I'm turning, I'm backing up and trying to turn around in the middle of this road. I figure, you know, it's a two-lane road. It's a two-way street. Well, George, it really wasn't a two-way street, George. I found out. I know. It was a one-way. It was a one-way, George. And I didn't quite get it. I was a little tired after all those driving. And I'm turning around, and Maureen says, hey, it says wrong way. I said, no, honey, that means wrong way of the street we're going to go on. it's the wrong way. I think it's some other, I wasn't thinking straight. Then all of a sudden this car comes out of nowhere. No, you overruled the sign. I did overrule the sign. Yeah, of course, I'm right. The sign's wrong, George. Yeah, of course. Of course, you know, what do they know? What does the sign guy know? Bright red, multiple ones. Yeah. If it said, hey stupid, would that have gotten you attention? It probably would have. You ignored every other one? It probably would have. So Maureen says, stop. And I go, okay. So I stopped. So he told me to stop. I stopped. Good thing I did because this kind of, out of nowhere, I'm zooming up, honking his horn, had his blinker on, he just missed my bumper as I'm turning the road around, and went around my car, it's like, what is that guy doing, he's going the wrong way, I'm thinking, no George, I'm in the wrong, so that's okay, now I know I'm on the wrong way, on a one-way street, going the wrong way, but I need, I want to go back to that turn I missed, it's only about 50 feet up the road, the wrong way, and there's no one around, let's like do that real quick, as I'm doing that, going the wrong way, all of a sudden, I see an army of cars and headlights coming at me really fast, I go, oh, this isn't good, they aren't slowing down for anything, this is like I'm on a highway, it's a little two-lane street, but it's a highway, so I back into this guy's lawn, out of the way, and then they go, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, It's like NASCAR going by me, George. Then go back on the road, kind of like, you know, saying, thank God we didn't get killed. And we go on the road, and this truck started coming on us right in our bumper and wanted to push us faster. And I have kind of a heavy foot, George. I drove with you, but just, hey, folks, take an Uber. I have a heavy foot, but these guys are going faster than I would go. and I couldn't believe the speed limit was like 50 miles an hour or 60 miles an hour on this back road. I wanted to go like 40. It's the middle of the night. I don't know what's around the next turn. I'm trying to go slower. This truck's like pushing me. So I'm like on the gas going faster than I wanted to go and finally got to our destination. But it was a very harrowing experience, George. We almost died a couple times that night. Next subject. With a pinball machine in the back, too. Oh, I have something. We've got to move. We'll move away from the show. I got, you already heard this, I got taken. Yeah, you did get taken, George. And what makes me mad about being taken is, I bought a piece of glass for a paragon. And I asked, not once, but twice, will it fit a paragon? The answer both times were yes. I even went as far as to say, are you sure? Do you know what a paragon is? I get the thing home and it three inches short It just Now I have a piece of glass that just doesn fit It for a D widebody George I know what it's for, and trust me. I didn't make a phone call, but I did send an email. You guys should refund my 40 bucks. You guys just ignored it. I know you have no way of validating it, But the guy who did it, and I know it's going to get back to him because now we have more people listening to us in Ohio. Yeah, exactly. I hope it gets back to you because you deserve it. Yeah, that's a little false advertising there. That's a little bit of it. I asked. It wasn't, you know, whatever. Shame on me. Shame on me. I'll never do it again. Ever. When you were getting taken, did you say you have skills, special skills? No? Okay, George. It's a movie reference. Other people will get it. George does not get it. He doesn't watch movies. I look like the dog that's just bewildered. Okay, so I got that off. So this is going to be a short piece for me. I'm going on a trip in a week, less than a week, to Tennessee and North Carolina, and then finally ending up at Allentown. At every stop, there will be pinball. That's good. How'd you manage that one? Nice job. This is the tease. Oh, tease. This is the tease. Right. So, I'm going to take it upon myself to do some special episodes of Travels and Travails with George. I like it. So, you're going to hear some arcade talk sometime. I don't know when. Depends, you know, where it fits in. There's no dating on it. We're also going to do something from Allentown. good so yeah oh and eric stone is flying in for this you've mentioned that several times he still is clueless on that uh not youtube uh twitch channel he is just clueless as who i am he can't make the reference the reason i mentioned going on the trip there's three games that i want to revisit We have talked about them. You are going to make noises. But I want to revisit them because I think I've played poor copies of the game, and I want to give them another chance. These are cartoons that I watched, and I believe you watched, as a kid. Starring that supersonic speedster, Rocket J. Squirrel, with his fellow Bullwinkle the Moose, and a host of others. Hurry, Bullwinkle! The show's about to start! I'm coming as fast as I can! The three machines are Popeye, Rocky and Bullwinkle, and Bugs Bunny. They're all horrible. I've played them all, George. I've worked on them all. What's up, Doc? Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Wile E. Coyote. Genius. I am not selling anything, nor am I working my way through college. So let's get down to cases. You are a rabbit, and I am going to eat you for supper. Now, don't try to get away. I am more muscular, more cunning, faster, and larger than you are. And I'm a genius. While you could hardly pass the entrance examinations to kindergarten. So I'll give you the customary two minutes to say your prayers. I'm sorry, Mac. The lady of the house ain't home. And besides, we mailed you people a check last week. Oh, really? You've got customers of all those games? Yep. And they're still El Stinkeroo's? Still El Stinkeroo's, yeah. Unless you're five years old. They're great. I love Rocky and Bullwinkle. Okay, well, you probably... That's a great cartoon. You'll like it for a little while to play the game, but then it's going to... So watch the cartoons is basically what you're saying. Yeah, I mean... You don't even like the cartoons? You like the cartoons. I liked the cartoons back in the day, but they're kind of depressing. I like Bugs Bunny. That was... Okay. He's the underdog. Okay. So that's... If I see those games, I'm going to play them, and I'm going to then give my opinion again. I would say out of all three of those, the less of the stinky of all of them would probably be... Bugs Bunny is the worst. That's the absolute worst. What a waste of a license. If you folks, if you own these games, this dovetails into some of the podcasts I've heard in the last couple weeks. People professing that, oh, you shouldn't be as harsh. Some people professing, oh, you know, I give the honest opinion. Well, folks, I think from day one, if you will go back and listen to our first broadcast, which was pintastic, and us talking about, yeah, I think we've been very opinionated and I'm guessing that's why you tune in because you want to hear what we have to say. Do you agree with us? Hell no, you shouldn't. I also thought about this this week. Did you ever use Cliff Notes as a kid? Yeah. You never did the assignment, you read the books, or you didn't want to read the books. No, you want to cheat and just get the give me the down dirt cheap stuff, the quickie thing. So let me ask you, Did you ever do well on that book report assignment or whatever that cliff note was attached to? Not really. My observation with cliff notes is that you're never going to get the top mark. You're going to pass. So maybe a C, a C minus. You won't get a D. But you have to think that the teachers are on to it and they're looking for keywords or phrases. and as soon as they read it, they go, cliff notes, gee. Yeah, you know what? That reminds me. So we're kind of like the cliff notes of pinball. Don't come to us for accuracy. We'll entertain you. We're kind of like a sea when it comes to information. We get some of it right, some of it wrong. Yeah, you know when you're in fifth grade, you're going to do a book report on, say, Star Wars, in the Star Wars book. Now, I saw the movie as a kid, sure, so I'll do a book report on Star Wars because I saw the movie I'm not going to read the stupid book so I took the cliff note of it or maybe the back cover of the book or whatever and it said malevolent and I thought it meant male violent so I said male violent so she actually circled the thing saying yeah what is this word you wouldn't even know what this word is so you got caught so bagged let's go to let's go to controversy George, we don't like controversy here, George. Okay, let's call it something else. How about drama? Drama, grip and drama. I like it, George. Pinside drama. There's pinside drama? Never heard of it. This is a good one, because I caught this one early. Have you heard of the new product called Extended Play Coil Coolers? Here comes the wind-up. Hold on, Tibetan Breeze coil course. Here comes the wind-up. Okay. There's a competitor. There is. Tibetan Breeze was the first guy out there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And guess who chimed in on the new guy's thread? Mr. Pinball Monk. Oh, yeah. Pinball. Yeah. Oh, boy. The fur was flying. Now, the country I live in, there's competition. Yeah. It's called capitalism. Right. Now, I don't know anything about either one of the products other than what I read. I've never seen one physically. I don't know if one's made better than the other. I don't know if the fans are better. Folks, I don't care. My point is drama. I've installed the Tibetan Breeze. I like the product for a customer. It was a cool product. Did you get one yet for the house? for the dollhouse. I was this close. I said yes to buy one, and then I said, I was reading more about it, it's like, if you have games that last at least 30 minutes to an hour, you might need this. Like, I don't play the game for 30 minutes straight. So I said, no, I'm going to cancel it. I don't need them at this point. Okay. I'm going to give you the opportunity. But me first, okay? This is the rush moment. This is not a segment. this is a moment so collect your thoughts i have a joke for you okay what did the doctor say about the tall person who was in a rush a rush to see him i don't know george what did the tall person say i wish he were a little patient oh boy you thought i was bad with this stuff Rush. Rush? Who was in a rush to see him. Anyway, go ahead. Say your Rush thing. Yeah, well, I think, George, the honeymoon is kind of over a little bit. Oh, okay. So let's get into it. So, we were having a very good time at the end of Saturday night while we were playing the Big Lebowski. And I would use a word, but your wife is standing or sitting right near us. But you were having an episode for that game. Okay. You were having an episode with that game. you said that you would want one of those so come clean are we going to see this rush go out the door and are you publicly going to put it up for sale right now no no it's not not that bad george i'm just saying when i last night i tried playing that game over and over and over again ball one i think put it this way plunge the ball i got 30 points 30 points and down the middle and then gave me the ball back and then i just couldn't do crap with it i was and i got like half half a half a million some of that whatever previous game anyway um i just couldn't do crap last night so i got so frustrated i kept giving the game the finger i can't really i wanted to you didn't kick the door i wanted to kick the door then i said you know what i said i said screw this i'm turning this off i'm going downstairs and playing evil kenevil i just restored and you know what george playing evil clean evil is akin to a warm worn pair of high-end gloves they just fit nice they're toasty a little bit worn but they just feel just right versus and and everything plays right there's no protectors needed there's no spending another thousand dollars on something to get it right it just works great how about it's pure pinball it's pure pinball no bs involved it just plays easy to explain yeah even for people like me even for people like you so you're going to be able to this time around. Explain how to play Evil Knievel. Sure. Because it's been two years. Okay. Sure. This is a good part. This is a good time to introduce this piece. I called Dave the other day because I was shopping out my Mata Hari. It hadn't been looked at in a long time. That's not the story. I for the life and they couldn't figure out why I was getting errant bonus on the game. And it only happened when it went up into the pop bumpers. And it only happened when the top two drop targets were going. Dave said, I told Dave, this is part of the story. I told Dave that I checked all the switches and I made sure that they were good. He said, well, the next step is to start cutting the caps because you might have a switch matrix error. And that made sense from all the reading I did. I clipped every freaking cap on the game. No go. Nothing. Well, the gameplay is great now. But that wasn't it. Okay. I'm reading this here's where Pinside came in handy. have you ever heard the term switch bounce yeah that's what you had you had a switch bounce explain to the audience what switch bounce is and if you can't i will all right so what i term switch bounce is when you don't have uh the least switches aren't adjusted probably they're kind of like flying in the air kind of thing the ball hits it and it kind of vibrates and it makes more switch hits than it's supposed to. I'll add to that. It only happens on drop target banks where the switch is mounted on the bottom. Not vertical, horizontal. So I went back and checked. They were clean because I cleaned them all, but they were off just a little bit. So the pump-upper vibration made it vibrate enough to make it go. Yes. They were too close. You hadn't gapped too close. No. They were gapped fine. But it was too loose. It's when they were on the downstroke and the two discs come together. Yeah. They weren't marrying up directly. They were off just a little bit. Okay. And just that little bit made it vibrate enough. I went back, regapped him basically took it all the way down to the bottom of the target throw and then made it and moved it around and got it to line up then opened it up yep, it was gapped properly never had an issue since so, moral of the story is Georgie again jumps two steps ahead instead of looking again at the obvious but I wasn't sure it was hard to diagnose because it was only those two targets, which is really weird. Very good. So I fixed it. Speaking of drop targets on ballets like that. Isn't that what they want to hear? They do. They want to hear this. So weird problem, boom. So they called it switch bounce, target bounce. I had never heard the term before. It makes a lot of sense. I can tell you it makes sense because it happened to me. Right. I'll put that in my control bank here. How about this one? Do you ever have a drop target in the belly stick up too far? Yes. You know what that is? It's been a while. No. Okay. So what that is, is the little armatures in the back there, when they get whacked up every time a million times. What, those right angle things? Yeah, the piece of metal. Yeah, the slot. It gets banged up so bad it gets worn and it flies past the slot. It doesn't stop. How to remedy that? I don't think I've ever seen one. I have a pile of those. No. I have a... You do? Because I've bought other banks. You flip them around the other side. You get a fresh spot. I try to find the best ones. Yes. So I have a pile of them. Oh, cool. But I'm surprised somebody doesn't. Hasn't made them. They should make them. Because I would buy a dozen of them. Oh, yeah. You know, and I think others would too, just to put them in the stash and say, hey. And by the way, there's some fresh virgin ones on either side of the drop target, the armatures there. They're never used at all. They're just used to kind of make the sawing go up and down. You can take those off, put those with the drop target, so I take the worn drop target and put it on the end. I have two things left to talk about, and then we can go play downstairs. One, you mentioned in one of the shows that you have an MK Sound subwoofer. I had never heard of that brand. I thought when you originally said it, you said B and K. But you did say M as in Mark, K as in Kevin. Yeah, M and K. Which model number do you have? I have the... X10? No, VX125, 1250THX. I had never heard of that brand before. And I'm guessing there are audiophiles out there. Oh, yeah. Maybe other people have. Awesome subwoofer. Yeah, no. Push-pull design. They have some really, really, really nice speaker products. Oh, yeah. Okay, that was one. Here's another one. Folks, doing the media culpa, taking ownership. I kept calling the lights on the play field the light bezel. Dave was polite and finally corrected me. Light insert. If I ever do that again, call me on it. Okay. I don't know why I got bezel in my head, but I did. You going to talk about the Bulldogs? Yeah. Yeah, George, thinking of that. I'm looking at my notes. I just got handed that from the control room. Before you start, I'm going to do an archive. All the talk now is about Stern coming out with Jaws, or somebody coming out with Jaws. I don't even care who it is. We did a Jaws episode a long time ago. Ah, Jaws, yes. With another little woof woof. Go back and listen to that. Actually, you know what? I think I should clip that for one of our future episodes. It's Fishtails. Fishtails. Do you think they would listen to a best of reel? If I could go find some funny stuff from some of our shows and put it into one? Sure. Give it a try and see what people think? Yeah, give it a try. Yeah, throw it up there. Why not? What else? I was going to say, since the Jaws, you've got the doggies there, we just visited. Those are bulldogs. Those are not pugs. Yeah, these are bulldogs. And they sound like little pigs. They go, like that. And they just kind of, and they love humping. They love getting on the leg and just, even the owner. The owner's like trying to shake it off. How come we always talk about dogs humping? Because I swear, a lot of my customers have these bulldogs. Do you smell like a dog? Is that why? I don't know. You don't own a dog. No, but they, we did. We're going to own one again. You smell delicious, I guess. I guess so. The dog's name was Bubba and Roger. What? Oh, sorry. Wait, hold on. You just called your customer a dog. Well, he doesn't look like a dog. No, sorry, customer. No, the dog looks like a Bubba. But Bubba is a cool customer. He's got Roger the Bulldog. That's what it is, Roger the Bulldog. But he's two bulldogs. He has a female dog, too. I forget the one it's called. But anyway, she's a sweetheart. Roger, he's a horned dog. And put a playfield protector in his Dolly Parton. Beautiful Dolly Parton. Home use only Dolly Parton. Gorgeous game. He's going to have us do another Dolly Parton. We're going to do a Dolly Parton episode. Oh, we are? Yeah, down the road, yeah. I confirmed. I went and looked again. That was part of one of our episodes. Yeah. The color of Future Spa and Dolly Parton. If those two aren't close, call me a liar. I mean, those get... Yeah, exactly. They, yeah. I went and looked. They left over paint. That's on my list. I have a new list. It's called the TPL list. Then from there, from going from Bubba's place, we went to go do a day spa on a Star Trek Next Gen in an 1870 church converted to a home. We were there for seven hours. Say that one more time. It's an 1870 church with stained glass windows converted to a home. This is where? Out in Western Massachusetts. Holyoke. Holyoke. Okay. It was awesome. I mean, I could just picture having a separate game room in this place. the guy had a bar in there was it one floor or did they have the upstairs where the chorus and the organ it was pretty much one floor but you do go up a stairway and they did make two rooms off of there so it was like two bedrooms does he have a pinball room he has one pinball in the main room right near the bar he's got a bar area so he's only got one pin he has people coming in he's having a party he's invited to us this Saturday like 30 people there he has people that come there and sing in his house like a band comes in because of the acoustics he's got a food truck yeah the acoustics sound insane the acoustics are great when someone sings it did he have a really good stereo he did have a really good stereo come to think he did George he had a really nice stereo he had a nice old super duper record player and it's a nice high end component and he had a big time record collection a record player record player you're going your age well you know what you do at night you put on the record player you go to sleep with the kids you put the record player on oh wait so that's a different guy I don't want to be into politics but anyway you know you're the record player george you know at night you put the record player on at night no you don't do that people know what that reference is i won't go there but i have no idea again anyway so record player huge cd collection and he is meticulous he's an it guy so everything is labeled like with a little a c and a d and an e so he's ocd oh yeah he's ocd okay okay Okay. Do you have anything else? I'm turning the page just to see if I missed anything on my sheets. Do I have anything else? Let's see. Let's see if I have one more thing in here. We talked for a long time here. We did. Let's see. Oh, yeah. I do. I have one other thing. You first. Well I got something You know summertime coming and my family going to do another family reunion kind of thing coming up And I was thinking you know it would be kind of cool not to show up in the Volvo this time but I thinking of renting a car And what better car to rent? I looked it up online, the General Lee. I could rent a General Lee, George. So the General Lee, so the good doctor. So you're going to go to Cape Cod in a General Lee. Yeah, the good doctor and the doctor. You better have a lot of insurance. Well, the good doctor and the doctor of stars and bars will be showing up at my family's reunion party down the Cape Cod this summer. I think it's going to go great. You know, it's going to have a star-spangled... You let me know when you're doing this. Okay. I'll even... You want to record it, George? I want to bring my Jeepster down there, but I'm not going to get egged. You are. Are you saying I'm going to enemy territory with that? You do. Just let me know. I'll have the camera out, folks. We'll figure out some way... You won't be the only one with a camera. I'm telling you, probably NBC and CBS will be down. There you go. My last thing. Do you watch the... No, you probably don't. Are you familiar with the TV show Billions? No. About Wall Street, hedge funds, people running money, government. It's got... Sounds legit or illegit or whatever. The only reason I mention it is because if I don't mention it, the clips I'm about to play will be out of context. Okay. So there was a pinball reference. I thought they were funny. Listen. Okay. There is no bumping the pinball machine. Not a bump or a nudge or a kick to the coin box. So I'm done. Do you have anything else before we go down to the basement? Well, you know what? I just did what Maureen does to me. You want to tell a nice little story, and she jumps to Z all the time. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and right to Z. So I just, I just, I'm more into you. That's what I did. Right, honey? Go ahead, George. You go. I'm done. I'm done. I'm just listening to you cackle and tell. I told that joke for a reason. Because I just wanted to demonstrate how much I enjoy your jokes. Hmm. Wait a minute. What are you trying to say? There's some sarcasm there. I get it. I get it. Hey, are we going to talk about the tale of a wolf coming through, driving through New Jersey, or am I not saying that one? From home. Oh, I forgot completely. Yeah, you've got to tell this one. Okay. All right, so one more thing. Okay, so we're having a reprise of Dave left on, this is what, Tuesday now? Monday. Monday. Right, so Monday. Monday. Dave's leaving the Allentown area and has to take Route 78 through New Jersey. he's in the warren hills so all you jersey new yorkers people who drive to allentown you know this area tell us what happened dave so again it's the night before harrowing experience with all that stuff there i said okay well we got all that car drama done we have a nice drive home so we drove home and i really want to get home done dry i want to get home so i'm i'm on a little bit a little heavy on the gas pedal whoa stop on the way out to gerard you were like well puffing the chest out. Well, I was averaging 85 miles an hour. I'm like, you're insane. Well, you know, I was going with traffic. I was going with the free flow of traffic. So now it's in context. Go ahead. Okay, so. People know where this is going. Yeah, so, you know, going like, you know, 75, 80, and the rest of the cars are going the same. So, and as we're going around, you know, all right, the Marine says 86. So all of a sudden I'm seeing, I'm seeing like different cops here on the other side of the road. It's like, okay, well, they're not stopping anybody and it's fine, or I'm not going fast enough for them to stop. So it's great. So I start to punch up a little bit higher to like 89, 90 for one of those little downhill section. I'm kind of got a little bit. Also, I see in the distance, I see a white car pulled aside way up in the distance. And I see his door open. I go, that's weird how a car door open like that. And I'm thinking, it's like, oh, boy, that's a cop. That's I don't know what kind of cop it is. That's a cop. And now he's getting in his car. Like, I'm just going to back off this gas a little bit, bring it down. Then I'm going to go into the middle lane. I'm going to go into the middle lane. And he's coming up. And he gets behind me. And he follows me for about a couple seconds. Then his lights come on. It's like, I'm bagged. I haven't been bagged in so long. It's been so many. My record is totally clean. So, nice gentleman. Cop pulls out of the car. Steady, right? Steady. I'm waiting to come to my driver's side. I roll the window down. All of a sudden, I hear. Oh, it's Maureen's side. hey folks how you doing today real nice like 20 year old guy smiling his face you know not grumpy it's like oh ok maybe this will go a little better so he said do you know why I stopped you I don't know officer you tell me I have no idea you tell me what's going on well I clocked you at 91 in a 65 you go oh well that's a little fast he's like sorry about that how's your driving record where are you coming from It's, oh, Ohio pinball show. It's, oh, you're just trying to motor to get home. You just want to get home. It's like, yeah, I want to get home. I wasn't really paying attention, I guess. I don't know. Did he ask you if you wanted a set of wings? No, he didn't say that. No, but it would have helped. It would have helped. I was going to fly over this trouble. So he said, so I understand. And he probably saw the game in the back we had. And he said, how's your driving record? I said, I am totally. He said, clean record? Totally spot. I said, yep, clean record. I haven't had a ticket in a long time. And I'd like to keep it that way if I could. He goes, well, I'll see what I can do for you. I just like said a quick little prayer. And he came back a little later and said, well, I'm going to do you a big favor here. I'm just going to give you what is called a New Jersey warning. No points on your insurance. No driving to endanger. None of that stuff. It's a warning, but it comes with failure to obey traffic signs or whatever it was. It's a $55 fine. I suggest you pay it and don't take it to court. It's like, okay, thank you. Now, this is, I'm originally from New Jersey. And trust me, this never used to happen. If you got pulled by a statey, you were well beyond the speed limit. You were getting a ticket. You were getting points. You were spending more money on insurance. this is what I call the New Jersey money grab. Oh, poor little Davey. Oh, you were doing 91 in the 65, and you don't want any points, or you don't want to pay any more insurance. Just make a nice donation to good old Mr. Murphy in the state of New Jersey. Now, what if I did have points on my insurance? Are you insane? I would have given him the $55 right there and there in an envelope and said, Can you take this into the office and just pay my bill, please, and be done with it? Well, I'm wondering, would he have been so nice with the warning if I was a speeder from other things? He saw a record of speeders. Oh, he would have gotten a ticket. Oh, he would have piled on. But you've got to ask yourself the question now. If this happened, again, folks, we're in New Robert Englunds. We don't live in the South. Yeah, I have a mass plate, so I'm out of state. But if you were in, say, South Carolina or Georgia and this happened. Well, I don't know about that. You'd be in trouble. This is where we need a really good sound bite. What you boys been doing? What you been doing there, missy? Hey, boy. I go a little fast there, ain't you, boy? Where's the fire? Boy, that's a head. That's a joke, boy. You missed it. Went right past you. You gotta keep... I say you gotta keep on your toes. What toes, that is? The fast ones get right by you. Keep your ears open. Yippity, yippity, yip. I can't get a word in edgeways. Talk, talk, talk. But no wonder you're not sharp. You're not always sharp. I say you're not always sharp. Shut up! You ready to go play a game? Sure. Oh, wait a minute. One more thing. You do know what that's from. I do know what it's from. Where? From Columbo. No, there's a more contemporary... I'll I'm not going to tell you I'm going to put it in I'll record it and put it in Put in the Columbo one too I'm going to give you the Columbo one That's where I get it from So what's the one more thing Put a fork in it The Mainers just contacted me The Mainers I haven't talked to in years No you're going to go there But they don't listen They don't listen But the Mainers also have a couple of sound clips So we're not going to use their name We're going to call them the Mainers That's right. So we have the... We pulled back the curtain. Everybody now knows who the neighbor is. Yeah, who the neighbor is. I'm wondering if he has been told what we said. Or what I... Did I say it? I think I said it. Yeah, I said it. You probably said something. Yeah, I said it. Well, you had some dealings with him that you didn't really care how it went, so... Well, I didn't like how I was treated the last time I saw him. I mean, I was thinking about this. When I first met him the first couple times, he was as great... And I've said it in other shows. He was as gracious as could be. Now he's got a big fat head. Well, you should have said, I'm honored by your presence. You didn't say that, George, so that's why you didn't work out too well. I don't get on my knees for anybody. No. Not happening. Okay. One more thing. Are you done? I think I'm done. Yeah, so it's going to reference back to our little, you know. Do I have to get the hook? The Sharon in the closet. Remember? you know yeah that one so you did make the reference just leave it at that don't get yourself in trouble right you'll come up with a skit i will or you're going to have them on which would be even better oh we have to do that yeah no you have to i'll do it they're gonna come visit so we can i'll do a nice little uh skit yeah i'll interview her what games does he own paragon he uh he has a paragon space invaders genie top score supersonic oh he's He's got quite a collection. And a missile commander. Okay. Which he's number one in the world at. I don't want to hear that story again. I don't want to hear that story. We're done. We're done. We're done. That's some drama there. We're done. We'll stop that drama. We're done. Done. Shut that thing off. Shut it off. Shut it off. Turn it off. People like that sound. Turn it off. I love that sound. Turn it off. Turn it off. Turn it off! Turn it off! Down in the basement Yeah We're here in the basement. Dave's basement. After months, if not a year, of listening to us talk about this game, we're finally looking at one of them done for a customer and it's a i know you've heard it's like a broken record but i'm looking at a really really nice looking game thank you george you're gonna tell us you're just gonna leave me that's all you got that's it we're done i'll tell you you're gonna tell us a little bit about the game and what you did the tease the last time. You're probably going to repeat some of it, but that's okay. Sure. So what we did is a customer brought this game about a year ago. Playfield trashed. The game didn't work. Cabinet kind of trashed. Back glass real nice though. So we spent a bunch of time on it and I offered the customer, I can either put a brand new CPR playfield in, swap it all in for this amount, or I can give you my really nice original playfield for my game that's very touch-up-able that I will do for you, as well as put a playfield protector on it for this much. He goes, okay, I'm going to go for that one. So he has my original playfield, my Evel Knievel now. Maureen touched it up, put a playfield protector on it, new spinner decals, new bumper caps. I got a new plastic... Are those original spinners, or did you have to put artwork on those? Those are original spinners that I painted with epoxy white, and then I put a nice spinner sticker on them. And be careful where you buy your spinner stickers. These here is all different variations and different quality from out there. So I found one place that did it really well. It looks like original. It looks nice. It looks spot on. So I got that one. That was from Marco, actually. Okay. Maureen touched up the cabinet. It was pretty trash. It had some nice little touch-ups. She's really good at color matching. You can get better and better at it. And buffed all the metal. Rebuilt everything inside. the boards, the mechs, and it's playing really well now. Original displays. Those things. We'll start that over. Are those original displays? Those are original displays, and they're pretty nice. No, they look great. Yeah. Yeah, those came out nice. I think I might have had one or two of them, and I might have had a little molten segment, so I swapped out with, I have a stock of these, so I put in some, I rebuilt all that too, put all the new resistors on them. But, yeah, this game plays really well. Like I said before, playing Rush, beating my grinding medal, couldn't do crap with that game last night, and I was so frustrated. I was like, you know, I want to go down and play some Classic. And when I did, the Evil Cleaner said, thank you. It gave me a nice score on it. It felt really nice. It felt like, okay, this is like, just, I don't know, more rewarding, you know, and less freaking bricking. I was bricking on that Rush game. I couldn't shot... Enough of the rush. Enough of the rush. We're with Evil Knievel now. Yeah, so good game. And also the valley grapefruits are in display in this game, big time. Are we going to play a game? No, not allowed to. We're looking at the game, and I didn't realize that the London double-decker buses are on top and that there's motion of Evil Knievel actually jumping the ramp with the lights moving from one side to the other. that's that looks real good that glass is that's really sharp i mean color is great and that's actually back glass mirror yep i did i did a hybrid of uh leds back there warm leds back there and some incandescent you can't tell it's just really sharp looking i didn't realize on this game with the dead bumpers up top that that plastic goes across the hole that's yeah That's really different. I've never seen that before. Yeah, it's an original for EK, certainly. So you're going to describe how we play this game? Because I don't really remember. I know you've got to spell Cycle. I know you probably have to, what, Evil or Knievel or both? I believe Cycle will light the thousand-point bumper when lit, the red bumper there. And when you spell Super, that gives you two free games. As in Super Dave? Super Dave, right. That's it. There you go. Super. Then the drop targets will give you the first time down two times bonus, second time down extra ball, third time down special. Now I'm noticing the slingshot plastics. Folks, go out onto IPDB. It does the Harley Davidson logo justice. How's that? I'd say so. Nicely sandwiched between two grapefruits. Yeah. In the good old days. Oh, they're good old days. Oh, I got to show you this. So we want to see a reproduction of... So that's original. I don't know if I showed you this before. What are you showing me that's original? All right. Do you like the original kicker plastics that came with the game or new artwork? That and that. No, horrible. Right? Not good. Dark. Way too dark. Too dark. There's no tone. Yeah, they're not tan. They look like anemones. like zombies and look at her she looks all friendly she's not very good no so those are cprs i'm guessing cprs yeah they don't always get it right but if you don't have anything else right okay let's let's get into controversy i mentioned this before we came on the air and i'm looking at the brochure for this game and in the brochure it says the first fully electronic commercial game liar liar pants on fire dave went and looked and to me it's all a To me, Evil Knievel, Knight Rider, Mata Hari, Playboy, they all kind of came out right around sort of the same time. Not really. They all kind of, you know, 40 some odd years later. They did, yeah. It all kind of seems like. They pumped them out right around the same time. So Dave went and looked. It's not the first electronic game. It's not. It says, the first fully electronic commercial game. And it says, to the operator, he'll quickly see electronic Evil Knievel, the greatest reliability of performance, which is characteristic of electronic pinball by Bally. Okay. How about your Evil Knievel you did a couple months earlier? He also sees the amazing simplicity of routine maintenance. Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. And what else does he see? Well, compared to Gauntlet of the Time, sure. He sees the uncanny, speedy, impossible ability of push-button self-test methods built into the value. Oh, my God, is that a run-on sentence? He sees the computer accuracy of total coin shoot accountability. I just count the money, but that's me. He sees the convenience of replaceable modules when prolonged and profitable play requires replacement. Ah, I see. So long, profitable play. Who wrote this crap? Well, it's selling me, George. Isn't it selling you? come on i have experience you heard my story with matahari no no no i don't care how good and in depth your manual is to repair these things experience rules all oh i will say when these things first came out i bet they were reliable because when i rebuild these things they're reliable so it's like brand new again once you rebuild them but they work but on the factory they work too compared to the gauntlet remember what i've said before all my games i think i've only had one out of 13 or 14 games that ever worked bringing it home every other game was broken to some degree we're going to finally play this game and you're going to teach me have you played it i have only i'm really starting to get an understanding here that you probably don't know this game as well as you probably should yeah probably but it's easy you know it's easy enough well the thing is i just finished it i've only put a couple Missouri, the show me state, right? Yeah, I think it is. Yeah, something like that. Some predator? I just play tested it the other day, and I thought it was working great, and I was play testing some more in another couple of games, and all of a sudden, a drop target kicked up. I was like, okay, I've got to take care of those. A pop bumper. Oh, here's something on this game. I don't know how they did the game design with the post, but there's two white posts behind the thousand point red pop bumper that are too close to the skirt, and the skirt gets stuck a lot. which I don't know why on location it didn't, but for me it did. So I had to go and shave those white posts behind the pump-upper skirt on my grinder to make it so that it wouldn't get stuck because it was getting stuck while I was playtesting it. So I fixed that. So now, after I played some fresh games last night, it worked flawlessly. Now it's almost ready for primetime, George. You and I are going to playtest this some more. It's level. It's jacked up in the back, too. I have another question. Yeah. most of my games have thinned posts this one has solid are those original or not those are original style those are pbr white ones but the original white ones which have now turned kind of ivory those are the same style but it looks so these were not thinned when this game was made not thinned that's a little bit different well because those seven those those 77 78 mostly 77 valleys are so close to the em era it's kind of an em style so these games are all made in electrical mechanical as well evo cleaver was matahari was night rider was uh even blackjack was they all made i'm gonna have to look at the my games these are crossover games my matahari has finned ones i know it because i only looked at it for a million hours that one it does have finned ones you're right and the color on mine are like faded to orange is that yeah you want get new ones i i have yeah some fade worse than others so it should be red red oh yeah red get ones new ones from steve i got a whole bunch of them no i i've got a pile of them too i again i bet you your night rider has the same white ones not finned i think they're early i think you're it's been a while so right on the cross i don't usually play that game yep okay let's let's play okay so it's got the horse racing theme i rebuilt those chimes too so they should sound pretty good You're breaking my game, George. No, I'm not. I know. Okay, so I want to get it. I don't like dead bumpers. Okay. So I'm going to use a phrase here, Dave. Pup bumper nest. No, no. You called it a bunghole. A bunghole, yes. So I had to make sure. Right in the bunghole, George. Yeah, right in the bunghole. You a jerk You are a jerk You lined that right up Good job George Okay here we go Here we go Okay The dead bumper helped me there So back into the bunghole All you need to get super spell All you need is an E. It's that E right now. Get the middle drop. Oh, no. Oh, no. I let it bounce one too many times. Oh, it's all set to go. You had the E lit up. It's all going to be super. You're going to be super George. Yeah, it was super drained. Here's the plunge. And the wind-up end of the game. Do we have thresholds on this game? Oh, nice save. That was almost death. that's because you have brand new flipper rubbers in there and they're nice and grippy yeah it's grippy everything is so this has uh what kind of rubbers in it it has it has the uh play less perfect play less bitch less play more no it's uh perfect play by uh pinball life has this i just ordered a bunch of their stuff because I found that I didn't have one and a halves, ones, and twos. Remember you were talking about the Grip and Drama? Which drama? The Grip and Drama, the Ninja Camp one. No, not the Ninja Camp. The Breeze one. Tibetan Breeze one. Oh, you mean the extended Joshua Clay coil job? Yeah, that one. Do you know how much robbery people were doing from each other? Pinball Life, great products, but they've done it several times. This premium rubber was actually Titan came up with it first. And Pinball liked their version of it, which is actually a very nice version for cheaper. And there you go. So do you want to talk about that for a second? I had the opportunity to talk to Christopher Franchi at, here we go, at Pinbrew Fest, right? Yeah. And I said, you know, he's been in radio. You didn't know that. And, you know, he uses clips in his show. And I said, hey, Chris, I just drained. I said, is it my imagination or do people just beg, borrow and steal everything from everybody else's program? He goes, that's been going on forever and it will continue. So you and I with no credit, no credit given. We noticed stuff and we're like, we didn't invent it, but we certainly didn't invent, you know, using clips. And he does a really polished show where, as I've said before, this is the cable access of podcasting. This is as low budget as it gets or no budget. It's not the Wally George of broadcasting, so that's good. I do what I can. I try to make it entertaining. So far, we're not talking about the game. Here we go. Spinner. I like that it's got two spinners. And they light and unlight. So 1,000 light. The fun hole's okay. I mean, the game plays nice. It's a fun... What's a good score on this thing? Don't say a million. No, not a million. Probably 300. Or maybe... Well, I think if you get over 100, you're okay. It's like Knight Rider. Well, we're talking... It's hard to play and talk. Well, we got right now 54 to 58. George is behind, but this is ball three. Right. So we're still not near 100,000 points. so this is basically like an em it was made like an em with only it's a little draggy it's well i i like it it definitely has a lot of uh i don't imagine this in a tournament this would be a great tournament game oh it would be a lot better you know the widest did a lot better than guardians in the galaxy oh yeah i heard somebody talk about that game on another podcast But they loved it or hated it too? At first they said they hated it because of the old code in it, I guess. But I didn't hear you complain about the code. No. I heard you complain about the game. The game. Everything about the game. So I thought you had a compatriot there for a while. And then he came clean and said, oh, I kind of like it now with the new code. I go, well, there goes Dave's buddy. Oh, you spelled cycle and now you get your thousand point bumper lit. See, there you go. Look at that. I'm trying to. Otherwise it's 100 points every time. That's why this game is so low scoring. Hit that spinner. Spinner's a thousand points. That's big money. Oh, well, a two times drop target would be good too. Oh, so close. Oh, out she goes, George. Well, let's see what she got. I think you're going to get 100,000 points. You're just going to make it to threshold. Bang, 100K. 100,000. 200,000. Considering I'm not really paying close attention. Iron Man reference, by the way. more classic less random so how do you get i know i asked this already how do you get the multiplier on this game by hitting the drop targets down one time okay and it only does what two times just like just like an eo two times that's all you get and do the spinners get you more bonus uh no no bonus i think is from the cycle targets and uh i think that's about it so i think right now i want to go for two times or super, but I think two times away I want to go. So I'm going to go drop tight. Don't do that. There we go. And spinner. Spinner's not lit anymore. That spinner was kind of a weak hit. It plays very EM like. Yeah. But, you know, as I have said multiple times already in this podcast, having played Mata Hari a million times this week, I'm kind of used to that. Although mine plays... I'm not going to say it plays ferociously fast, but it plays nice. You know what? I'm glad I have a copy of this for myself. I like this game. I like it... I don't have a lot of time on it. I like it, too. I think I would enjoy playing this. It's way better than Nightmare. Because I don't own one. You know, one of those. Yeah, exactly. Here's a tough shot. How about the lower drop tire all the way down super low? Yeah, that looks painful. You get it almost like shots it over there. Let's see if we can do it. Shots! Yes! Nice shot. Scored it. So, it's red. Extra ball. Extra ball now. You got an extra ball now? Coming up, if I get it. Oh, you have to... Oh, it's saying, okay, knock me down. Knock me down to get an extra ball, yes. Okay. Yeah, that drop target, that's not an easy shot. No, you go real low. Because I keep seeing that right out lane over there, and it's lit, which will give you... Free game! No, big deal. Extra ball, though. but I did make a pretty good run there. I made 160-something, 163. Let's give this one more try. All right. Is there anything else that we've forgotten to talk about today? This is a pretty long show. I will say Paul Faris knows how to draw the female form. I'll just say that, George. I really like the look of this game. You're going to show me another play field. Is that correct? Yeah, the one that's going to be my game. Where's that? Oh, in the evil cave over there. Do we have to go over and look at it? Yeah. Okay, we'll go look. I'll show you that. And also, we got another play field that was delivered. Oh, no, no, no. We got a play field delivery the other day. What kind of play field delivery did you get? A CPR one. What'd you get? I got a Flight 2000. You know that? Did you see that game? How much they were looking for that game recently? No, did it go up in value? Tell me what you think of... What's kind of like... I would say pretty well restored from what the picture showed. It was not a dog game by any stretch. Are they getting 5K for it? You're not even close. They're getting 7K for it? Yes, they are. Wow, cool. Coming to my numbers now. I'm getting like 7, 8, 9 for my stuff now. Okay, hit the spinner again. Look at that. Huh? and i've seen restorations out there it shows that went for six thousand dollars and i said wow no no no no that went for six mine should go for eight or more it's like oh it's it's the rarity it's got a lot of people talking about you know why the new code you're cranking the new code for it okay that came out that's some nice stuff he's got a lot of nice new code out for the Stern games. Oh, Scott? Yeah. Oh, he has an Ali code that I downloaded, too. Look at this! Nice. Look, 100,000. Look at this! Stern Ali. Kind of hard to find. Okay. Oh! Wrong flipper! Well, you know. It happens. 100 to 20,000. Stern Ali, 1980. Great Stern game. Kind of, uh... Started in arcade once or twice, but not really as prevalent as other Sterns. Well, what should we call it? I don't have one, but Gordy. Yeah, he had one. He sold it. I think he sold it to me. I don't know. I might have had that one. Oh, okay. I remember that game. No, I didn't get that one. Someone else got that one. I remember that being in his house. But I have a nice one. And the thing the game does, when the game, every time the ball shoots the lane, it goes boop, boop, like that, out of the soundboard. I didn't even know what it was. I had no idea what it was. You know what that's supposed to be? I'll tell you how I found out what it's supposed to be. So Scott made a ROM for that game, a home ROM. The only thing it does differently, it has a special solenoid circuit that comes out and instead of going beep beep you can wire up to your knocker so it will go like the start of a title fight I'm going to do one better I'm going to get one of those big 5 inch bells from pinball resource and it's going to go clang clang yeah then you start the game there's a company in Connecticut that makes one of those round bells you know for boxing round. Yeah, really? Okay, what kind of money is that? Uh... I... Under a hundred bucks, or give or take. I should put that in the game. Oh, no, no, no. I mean, it probably tonally is probably correct. Yeah. But it's got the actual mechanism with the string. Oh, the string. Oh, yeah, you hang it on the wall. I always thought it was just a cool thing to have in the, you know, in the game room. But, as my wife says, you have way too many things in your game room. She's on the, what are we going to do when we move? And that brings me to you here. Yeah, what am I going to do when I move? What am I going to do? Dave puffed the chest out a couple of months ago saying how clean everything is. Folks. Things change, right? No kidding. It's like, what happened? So what games came in? And do you have a tease? I I mean, do we know what, once this game goes, what are people going to have to wait months to hear us talk about? Well, not months. I need to get another firepower done. So we can't only do firepower. We already did that. But I'm doing another firepower next and two Gorgars. No, we've never done Gorgar. We didn't do Gorgar? No, we didn't do Gorgar. I don't remember doing it. You talked about, you talked about. No, did we? We did a corga. We had to do it. The guy, the state trooper, right? Yeah. Yeah. See, that shows you. Oh, no, no, no, no. Oh, that was good, wasn't it? That was good. Really good. You got two times bonus now going for an extra ball. So I got a knock ball. No, don't. Oh. That doesn't help. That was a crap ball. I have a nice bonus, though. The bonus is saved, or I just got that? Do you go back to zero bonus? Back to zero. Now, there is a San Francisco version of this game. They took the S out of Super and put a TH there. That's all. Don't say it. Do not say it. I want to say it, but I won't say it. Do not say it. I'm just full of it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm full of it. I'm full of them. You're exactly right. You are full of it. Oh, come on. There we go. There we go. But the spinner's not working. Yeah, this is a good game. Yeah. This game plays really nice, too. Thanks. I mean, everything's brand new on it. Everything's brand new. New play. Oh, look at that come back in there. Bang. I want that spinner shot. That one. Oh, come on. Oh, almost. Oh, I know what I wanted to ask you about. I'll give you a chance to talk about your other game. Okay. Spinner shot. If you're right, there's a rubber on the right-hand side of the play field in rush. I guess that after 20 or 30 plays becomes destroyed. Oh, the little blue thing. No, no, no, no, not the blue thing. It's a regular pinball rubber on like a corner. and I guess it's so close and acute that the rubber gets chewed up very quickly. I could probably point it to you. You know why? It's the cheap-ass black rubber. Oh, that's what they had in there. It was ringing in my head. It's junk. I guess they don't listen to you. I guess they don't. You have what, clear and white or just clear? Clear. Clear and... Oh, nice save again. Look at Dave rocking it. I want to spin a shot. He caught up. Okay, good. An extra ball, too. Oh, no, not good. There we go. Okay, so I'm at 159. Dave is eclipsing me now at 172. Yeah, you don't get a lot of bonus points in this game, do you? You don't. It's very EM-like. I like this game. Did I say I like this game, George? Well, again, I would like to see this, like you just said, in a tournament, but you don't see these games that often. I mean I'll plug our upcoming show I'm sure I talked about it before we will do our preview game review before Pintastic I know you're all waiting for that lovely episode and I booked my room so I do have a place to stay yeah it's a place to stay George that's about it yeah I'm not holding my breath I'm closing my eyes you know no matter what I do to oh there we go there we go oh no oh there we go nice save the stern drop targets I can tweak out and they spin maximum oh no no that's too close these belly targets I really try to get them they spin okay oh no no no no no oh I saved it George but they don't spin as long they don't spin as long as the stern one no no I don't know what I tried to them I do and do for these kids, I'll tell you. Extra ball lit on the drop targets. I got it on the right foot. So do shots. I'm going for the spinner. Give me a second. Why? It's only 100 points. Because I want to get it up top. Why? Because that's what I do. There's nothing there. There you go. You want a drop target. There you go. Extra ball drop. So you want two more drop targets for extra ball. I keep hitting that center target, and I'm pissed. Yeah, that's like, oh, yeah. And I did it again. Yeah, there you go. That's what it was for. A little lower on that thing. Okay, I got it anywhere I want to go. Actually, yeah, you want to get cycled to get the 1,000-point spinner. Yeah, get away from there. Bumper, I should say. No, get away from there. You know what, George? Plunge the ball and use your flippers. I'm trying. Okay. Just give me a second, okay? I'm really trying. I'm trying to talk. I'm trying to organize my thoughts and play at the same time. Ah, extra ball for George. Special for Lynn. Finally, I might get my comeuppance here. And you won a free game, George. Look what you got. That does me a lot of good. I just want to beat you, but I'm not doing very good. This is a tight game. I'll be doing a software. I just had a good ball. I'm doing a software tweak in this one. I'm going to ask a little favor. Do they make a software thing on this? They're about to. I'm going to ask a favor. I got inside scoop with a really nice guy. I can't hit that. I want to hit that spinner shot. No, no, no. Sorry. Because all this game really needs is the seed. Okay, so I'm at 247. Dave's at 193. This game doesn't really need any code update. It's all there. There's nothing really wrong with the game. The only thing it needs is to have specials equal 50,000 points. Otherwise, game's fine. That's all this game needs. Easy tweak. So that'll be... I'm going to put it in... I'm going to see about getting that done. You know, for a little favor. Hopefully. For your game? Yeah, for my game. And maybe this game before it goes. When's this game? Alright, look at that. I finally beat Dave. You did. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. So we both beat the high score. George got 247. I got 198. We actually came. So our first game, we only got 50,000 stinker root points. We've improved our game very nicely now. Look at that. So maybe I was correct in a really good game is 300 because we're getting close. We're closing on 300. like i said i played a lot of pinball in the last couple days like you i kept you i kept channeling you i'm like this is what he does when he's trying to game test he's got to play the game a million times and after i just i had to walk away i'm like i can too much too much i went over and i played centaur i hadn't played centaur in about a year yeah nice and because i just shopped it all like an old friend well i just shopped it out kind of half shopped it because i didn't have all the the rubbers that i just do you don't do all the nice silicone stuff now for all your games you kind of try no i still have leftover rubber believe it or not from where though hap okay i have some marco rubber yeah um there's some crappy rubber oh i have that i'm not going to mention who uh i think it was std oh the stds yeah not too good yeah He has STDs. And it's appropriate. Isn't that a... With a little gasket on it. What's in it? It's for... Social disease, right? No, for, yeah, for sexual bad things. Yeah, what is it? STD. STDs. What's that? Sexually Transmitted Disease. Oh, okay. It's not like STD oil. Well, that's pretty much it. Right. Yeah, they're bad. They're bad. Those are in the, I'll give these away when I sell a game. Here, here's some extra rubbers. Isn't it kind of weird that STD is actually sort of... I think that's the brand, right? You get a rubber... Am I right? It is. Okay. But you get a rubber to protect from STDs, but STD has it on the rubber. Weird, George, right? The universe is doing some weird things. I'm going to wear out the cricket sounds. I'm going to wear it out. You were actually pretty good today. We'll see if I can change that. No, we're done. Hey, you know what? No, no, no. One more thing. I just got it. Okay, you remembered. I did. You remembered. I did remember. I just got an email. I tried to save you, folks. I just got an email. I had some customers over yesterday looking at all the games. They want to buy a restored pinball machine. And looked around, and they really like Xenon. They really like Flash Gordon. So I was staring towards Flash Gordon. I said, I think Flash Gordon is the best ballet game I think they made in that time frame. It has it all. It's tough, that kind of thing. And you remember playing it as a kid in a pizza place. Do you want to find one? No, I have a couple of them. I got two more. Okay. Yeah. So I just got an email saying, we'll take it. So I'm ringing the bell there. Success bell. Another one sold. Another pinball gets his wings, George. This concludes another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George. Enjoy the next couple weeks, folks. We'll be back with maybe some travel tips, a little Allentown. Until then, happy flipping. And this is Dave. Dr. Dave saying don't drive like my brother don't drive like my brother I have one more thing the classic pinball podcast numeral one at gmail.com nobody nobody nobody has even bothered to email us you know what George so you put out there classic pinball podcast the number one pinball podcast and that's that's what that email says that's what that address says the number one pinball podcast you are so far from number one in our own minds of course no in our own minds we are yeah well we can do no wrong no we're all good okay we're done all right I get up And nothing gets me down You got it tough I've seen the toughest of ground And I know Baby, just how you feel You've got to roll with the punches Against the words real I can't just sit and stand here I've got my back against the magic machine I eat the words that you see How can't you see what I mean? Might as well jump, jump Might as well jump Go ahead and jump, jump Go ahead and jump Oh, oh, oh you