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Episode 75 – More Choice Easily

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jan 25, 2018
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt covers upstate NY tournament scene with guest Andy Cushman and previews upcoming Upstate NY Open.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 75 features guest Andy Cushman, a competitive pinball player from upstate New York who has been competing for approximately 1.5 years and is ranked 961st globally. The hosts discuss Andy's tournament performance at the New York State Championships in Buffalo, review results from various State Championship Series (SDS) finals across multiple states, and announce upcoming tournaments including the Upstate New York Open and Sweet Talker women's tournament. The episode covers tournament setups, player matchups, and commentary on specific games played at recent competitions.

Key Claims

  • Andy Cushman has been competing in pinball tournaments for approximately 1.5 years, having started around July 2021

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce reference Andy's first tournament at Ryan Lomax's tournament and note his rapid rise from beginner to ranked 961st worldwide

  • The New York State Championships took place in Buffalo this year, marking the first time the event has been held outside New York City in four years

    high confidence · Andy states 'Four years straight' it was in NYC, and confirms this year's championship was in Buffalo

  • Jack Tadman won the New York State Championships with a ranking of 35th, and C.J. 'Bob' Smith took second place

    high confidence · Andy states 'I have to congratulate, of course, Jack Tadman for taking first and C.J. Robert T. 'Bob' Smith taking second'

  • Bruce Nightingale lost to eventual winner Jack Tadman in the first round of the New York State Championships

    high confidence · Bruce recounts his match against Jack Tadman: 'I was up 24 million to 3 million on Metallica...then you decided to have an actual ball on ball three'

  • Zach Sharpe pulled the power cord out of an Aerosmith pinball machine during a tournament rage tilt at Swilberger and was disqualified

    high confidence · Andy states 'Zach Sharpe pulled the cord out on Aerosmith out of the back of the machine...when he freaking did a rage tilt and disqualified himself in a game during a tournament at Swilberger'

  • The Upstate New York Open on February 10th will be held at Cameron Silver Ball Saloon in East Rochester, NY and will feature a double-elimination top 16 format

    high confidence · Ron announces the tournament details and matchups at the end of the episode

  • A women's pinball tournament called Sweet Talker is scheduled for February 10th at Wicked Piss of Pinball Pit

    high confidence · Ron provides details: 'The Sweet Talker tournament that's coming up on February 10th' at 'the Wicked Piss of Pinball Pit' and notes 'Stephanie was our The Winner last year'

Notable Quotes

  • “I've always been into pinball. I mean, there wasn't a ton of it around Syracuse where I grew up.”

    Andy Cushman @ early in episode — Establishes Andy's long-time interest in pinball despite limited local options growing up

  • “Zach Sharpe pulled the cord out on Aerosmith out of the back of the machine when he freaking did a rage tilt and disqualified himself in a game during a tournament at Swilberger.”

    Andy Cushman @ mid-episode — Notable anecdote about a famous player's rage-quit behavior at a tournament, illustrating competitive intensity

  • “I figured I had a good shot, and then you decided to have an actual ball on ball three. I actually came back and took it. It was tight. I was up 2-0, then he came back 2-2, and then I took the next two.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid-episode — Describes a competitive match against Jack Tadman with dramatic score swings and specific game mechanics

  • “If you get past me, you are pretty much the champion.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ later in episode — Self-deprecating observation that players who beat Bruce in tournaments tend to go on to win overall

  • “Particle board cabinets suck. Yes, they do. They're terrible.”

    Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale @ mid-episode — Commentary on Heavy Metal Meltdown machine quality issues regarding cabinet construction

Entities

Andy CushmanpersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonJack TadmanpersonZach SharpepersonEric RussellpersonC.J. 'Bob' SmithpersonKevin ManningpersonChuck WebsterpersonLyman Sheets

Signals

  • ?

    competitive_signal: New York State Championships moved from NYC to Buffalo after 4 years, indicating potential shift in tournament hosting geography

    high · Andy: 'Four years straight' in NYC, confirmed by Ron. This year held in Buffalo. Discussion of politics around venue location change.

  • ?

    community_signal: Upstate NY Open consolidates regional tournament points and features top 16 format, suggesting organized regional competitive structure development

    high · Ron announces Upstate NY Open with top 16 players from upstate leagues earning points 'last year' feeding into this bracket

  • ?

    venue_signal: Ghostbusters pinball being replaced by Attack from Mars at local mall, indicating location operator machine rotation and potential declining Ghostbusters reception

    high · Bruce: 'I'm super psyched that they replaced the Ghostbusters in one of the local malls up here with an Attack from Mars' and mentions Ghostbusters 'wear on me' after repeated play callouts

  • ?

    product_concern: Heavy Metal Meltdown reported to have structural issues with headbox coming loose from particle board cabinet construction

    high · Bruce: 'particle board cabinets suck. Yes, they do. They're terrible' and notes headbox 'almost coming off' on Chuck's machine

  • ?

    industry_signal: Zach Sharpe pulled power cord from Aerosmith machine during tournament rage tilt, indicating extreme competitive behavior and resulting in disqualification

    high · Andy: 'Zach Sharpe pulled the cord out on Aerosmith out of the back of the machine when he freaking did a rage tilt and disqualified himself in a game during a tournament at Swilberger'

Transcript

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0:00
Whoa, check it out. You touch me, I shiver. Your tongue, I quiver. My loins, my liver, I the taker. You the giver.
0:21
Whoa, I've got something to giver. Coming to you from beautiful offstate New York, this is the Flam Till Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. I don't believe you fuckers have stayed around 75 episodes.
0:54
What a great way to welcome all our listeners, Bruce. You fucking got that straight. I feel better. Yes, that's very obvious. And this is episode 75, Lethal Weapon 2. Yep. This is the one with the... Is this Christmas or the last one? No, that was the first one. This is the South Africans who are evil and stuff. Yeah. Yep. He's still lethal in this one. Is this like the Mad Max one where they sort of have like a Mad Max thing where they're out in the desert and he's driving the station wagon? No, I don't... Which one's that one? And this is the one where they're driving and a surfboard goes through a window and cuts the guy's head off. And like I said, he's still kind of lethal in this one. He becomes like very unlethal in the next couple. These happen when you get older. But again, we are not alone. Ooh. We have a guest. Yes, we do. And since you feel so much better, I'll let you introduce him. This guest played in the New York State Championships this weekend and had the honor of playing me. We call him Andy. He is Andy Cushman. Welcome, Andy. Well, hi. How's it going? All righty. But we also have you as another way, but we'll get into that later on how you two will go at it when we make commentary about something else. I'm both confused and excited. Oh, my. I'm just confused. I have no idea what he just said.
2:21
I'm sure he'll explain it clearly at some point. Yeah. Yes. At some point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he will. Okay.

Ghostbusters pinball machine has been replaced by Attack from Mars at a local mall upstate

high confidence · Bruce states 'I'm super psyched that they replaced the Ghostbusters in one of the local malls up here with an Attack from Mars'

person
Buffalo Pinballorganization
Cameron Silver Ball Saloonvenue
Wicked Piss of Pinball Pitvenue
New York State Championships (SCS)event
Upstate New York Openevent
Sweet Talker Tournamentevent
Greg Pavarelliperson
Anthony Lambos Juniorperson
Josh Hendersonperson
Stephanieperson
  • ?

    community_signal: Sweet Talker women's tournament established with returning annual format, indicating growing female participation infrastructure in competitive pinball

    high · Ron discusses Sweet Talker tournament scheduled Feb 10 as returning event with previous winner 'Stephanie' as 'Pinball Princess'

  • ?

    event_signal: Multiple state tournament finals being streamed on Twitch (Buffalo Pinball, Wicked Pista Pinball Pit, Deadflip), indicating growing media coverage of competitive pinball

    high · Multiple references to tournament streams and footage: 'you can watch all this on the Buffalo Pinball Twitch stream', 'Wicked Pista Pinball Pit stream on Twitch', 'Deadflip streamed the Illinois finals'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Andy Cushman has rapidly progressed from first tournament 1.5 years ago to ranked 961st globally and competing at state championships

    high · Andy competed July 2021 first tournament, made C finals at Pinburgh this year, now competing at SCS and scheduled for Upstate NY Open

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Metallica emerging as dominant tournament machine with players discussing specific strategies for different modes (Crank it up preferences, multiball stacking)

    medium · Extended discussion of Metallica strategies in multiple matches, Bruce and Andy discussing Crank it up mode selections, multiple tournament games featured Metallica

    • 2:31
    So, I want to get into this. Oh, yeah, actually, yeah. We've got to talk to the guests. What am I saying? I'm going into segments already. Right off the rails. All right. I'm muting. Go ahead. Okay, Eddie. So tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into this crazy hobby called pinball. Well, I've always been into pinball. I mean, there wasn't a ton of it around Syracuse where I grew up. You know, wherever I found one, I would play it whenever I got a chance.
    3:00
    I distinctly remember the arcade at the Pencan Mall in Syracuse, getting a Black Knight 2000 new. Probably, what must have been, I don't even know, 83, 84? And from there, there really wasn't a whole lot of options, but I would play where I find them. I distinctly remember when the arcade started to die out in the Syracuse area, there was a Dr. Dude in this one little arcade. And the last one I think there was on location around here was a, at least at that time, there was a Star Trek Next Generation. And I was hooked on that for quite a while. And then college happened, and I got more into the fighting game scene at that point. I was always a Tekken guy, don't ask why. I don't know. But wherever I would find a machine, I would still play it here and there. I always thought it was funny. Before I actually got competitive, I figured out how a drop catch worked. And I always thought, oh, man, I wonder if anyone else knows how that works or how cool that is to drop the flipper and catch it right there on the flipper. And, you know, once I actually started getting into the groups and the competing, and it's like, oh, that's the standard. You know, here I thought it was all special, but not so much. But, yeah, after college, you know, again, there really wasn't much around until maybe, I think, a year and a half or so ago. I was wandering around one of the malls around here at Shopping Town, and there was a comic shop that had a handful of machines in it, and there was a flyer on the wall for Ryan's Lomax Pinheads group, and they were having a tournament, and I showed up for that tournament, and I've pretty much been hooked ever since. I think that tournament, I made the finals and lost to you, shockingly enough, Bruce.
    4:41
    It seems to be a pattern of late. I'm not sure why. But, yeah, ever since then, I've been getting more and more into it. I went to Pinburg this past year, did okay there, made C finals.
    4:53
    I've only really been competitive for about a year and a half now, and I'm trying to get to as many tournaments as I can. So we'll keep going. So right now you are ranked 961st in the world. The world. But you've only been playing, as you said, your first tournament was back in July 21st, so jumping up pretty quick. Yeah. And your biggest win was actually at the first tournament I held at the Silver Wall Saloon at the Holiday Match Play. And I hear my picture is going to be forever enshrined in the back of the wall there. It actually is printed. that I just am waiting to get a Frames.
    5:32
    So you are going to be under the lights. Well, if I can't take all those high scores from Zach and Eric, I can at least have my place there. There you go. You are the first. Welcome to that. So do you own any games? Sadly, I do not. I live in a somewhat smallish apartment, and I simply don't have room for them at the moment. I am looking for a house at this point. I'm certain that at that point, once I have a decent-sized basement, two-thirds of it will probably be workshop space, and the other third will be pinball machines, I'm sure. That percentage I'm sure will shift. Yeah, right. So we'll see how that goes. So wait a sec. I have a couple questions there. Do you have a couch?
    6:17
    I do have a couch. Okay. Okay, get rid of that. Get rid of that. Right there. Right, Ron? Right. That works well. Right. Living room, dining room table?
    6:31
    Kind of half. It's a very small. Done. Make more room. Yep. The floor isn't super level either. That's not real conducive to the hobby, but, you know, that's what they make, wood planks that look really nice in an apartment setting. I'm sure that would go with the decor, little mitten crates or a pallet. There you go. I like that idea. Yeah.
    6:57
    So you've beaten up on some players, and you've lost to some players. I have indeed. Yes. Do you know who you've beaten up on the most in a tournament?
    7:14
    Well, I think I should mention his name maybe only as a shout-out, but maybe Mike Smith, our friend, owner of the Wizards Pinball in North Syracuse. No. He is not the most you've beaten up on. Drat.
    7:29
    It's definitely not Zach. It's definitely not Eric. No. It's definitely not you or Mr. Plurred. I have no idea. Dave Cohen, U.S. Oh, now I see. Now I kind of feel that because he's a diminutive little man, and I don't like beating up on him if I can help it, but he does a lot for the area's pinball scene, So I have mixed feelings about that. I appreciate the fact that I've beaten him up, but at the same time, you know, I feel as though maybe I should stop. And do you know who you've lost to the most? Is his name Bruce? Nope. No, Zach. Nope. Eric. You got it. Eric Russell, CNY. Oh, that one. Okay. Yeah, that one. Not the other two, but that one. All right, well, he and I never really seen eye to eye, so. Yeah, and you have a losing record, supposedly, against Kevin Manning. I do. He apparently likes to pick on me. I don't know what it is. Like, every time, apparently, he just sees me, and, like, he'll go over to the Pinberg setups, and he'll ask, hey, can I get in the group with that guy? And he just beats the snot out of me for some reason. I really don't appreciate it. You know, I think I was in a group with him, Nick, and another one of the Buffalo players and myself. And I was like, really? Now you're just going to gang up on me? That just seems unfair. It does seem unfair. It does. I think they're intimidated by your height. That could be part of it. But, you know, Todd wasn't around to back me up, so I guess I had to be the tall man in the room for the time. Todd is the big guy in our group.
    9:09
    So how did you do this weekend? Well, first, did you enjoy yourself at the SCS? I had a great time. It's always fun to get a chance to play with some of the elite players in the state, obviously. We've got a lot of great players downstate. I know a lot more of them would have liked to have come up with all the politics around being in Buffalo instead of downstate and how that's going to work from here on out. There's a lot of talk back and forth about that before the weekend. But the guys that did come up played great. Obviously, we had a Canadian ticket from us all, which was a little disappointing that we couldn't even defend our home turf. Fail. Yeah. We're too close to Canada when you're in Buffalo. Right? It's like there's a border right there. I mean, there's no wall yet. If we notice, you haven't heard from Jack Tadman since he won because I had border patrol. I called him up. I think they did the cavity search on him, and ouch. I'm just going to say ouch. I figured as soon as he gets across the border, they just line up the moose behind him so he can't get through. I think that's how that works up there. Maybe. I don't know. I could be wrong. But, no, it was really fun. We had the warm-up tournament the night before. It was a three-strikes tournament, and I think I managed all of one non-strike round. But, yeah, a lot of play with CJ and, gosh, I can't remember half their names, unfortunately. Greg Paparelli up there. Yep. CJ.
    10:37
    We had, who else do we have up there? I can go right now to the... Well, let me get this straight here. Now, we're talking about the SDS, the State Championship Series. So after how many years in New York City? Four years, five years? Four years straight. Four years straight and complaining that it's always in New York City. Finally, finally it's outside of New York City. It's in Buffalo.
    11:02
    So in the finals, you have New York City versus Canada. What's up with that? Yeah. Come on. We failed. That's a failure. Fail. Well, with all the complaining about the snow, I figured maybe there would only be like three guys from Syracuse and like two guys from Buffalo, and that'd be it. Nope. We had a lot of contingent. We had people from Middletown, New York. We had New York City people. We had a Canadian. We had Buffalo people, Syracuse people, and Rochester players. So we had a good overall upstate. We could have had an Albany guy, but he went to Massachusetts. Yep. Yes, I did. It almost seems unfair, but we'll let it slide this time. Yeah.
    11:47
    No, it was a great time. You know, like I said, having not been competing for very long, I certainly feel like I've got a lot left to learn, and I always try to pick some of the folks' brains about some of their techniques and what they try to do when they're playing. I feel like I get the rules. I figure the rules out fairly quickly, or at least, you know, I do like to spend time on understanding them and make sure that I am on top of the rules for most of the games that I get a chance to play, and I feel like that's one of my strengths. But, you know, obviously there's some technique issues I still need to work on, and, you know, I've got a long ways to go. But I like having those guys around and measuring up against them. It was a good time at the New York State. Game on. The game played great. I have to give props out to Nick, Kevin for the stream, and for, you know, Jamie Brundridge to how he set up the games. They played really well.
    12:42
    He didn't get a chance to play at the VR room, though. He was a little bummed out. No, I would not. And I have to congratulate, of course, Jack Tadman for taking first and C.J. Smith taking second. Nick and Zach were for the bronze, and Nick beat Zach out in a three-game match. I was happily tied for ninth. Yes, you were. Yes. Unfortunately, me and Andy had to play in the first round together.
    13:08
    You can learn some skills from Bruce. You can learn how to rage tilt. Very true. When was the last time you seen me? Now, Andy, you've played a lot more of me than Ron has lately. Yes. How many times have I rage tilt lately? Rage none. Tilt a handful. A handful, that's all. Yeah, I mean, the demolition man was not treating you nicely. Oh, no, no, that was bad. But at least Zach hasn't completely rubbed off on you yet. No, no, no, no, no. There have been no upside-down machines at this point, so that's good. Nope. Or pulling out cords out of the wall or anything like that. No. Or tilting the machine next to you. You know, something along those lines. Huh? Pulling the cord out? Yeah, actually, Zach pulled the cord out on Aerosmith out of the back of the machine. Raise your grip! when he freaking did a race tilt and disqualified himself in a game during a tournament at Swilberger. Wow. Yeah. He doesn't seem like he would ever get mad. Oh, he gets really mad after balls. Oh, my.
    14:12
    Oh, my. That was nutty. Let me tell you. Get that Diet Coke flowing. Oh, God. So I beat Andy. We had a game. I think we established that. No, no. Going through the whole thing now. But then I had to face the top player, not the top ranked player, but the top player in the whole group who won, which was Jack Tadman, who was ranked 35th. And, of course, I lost to the eventual winner, which is my normal MO when it comes to SCSs. Gotcha. Well, I feel bad only because at game six I was up, I believe, 24 million to 3 million on Metallica. figured I had a good shot, and then you decided to have an actual ball on ball three. I actually came back and took it. It was tight. I was up 2-0, then he came back 2-2, and then I took the next two. So it was really a good match. I enjoyed it. I don't like taking out people I know and have friends who take out, but... At least not publicly. Not publicly. I'll do the... I don't mind at all. That's right And you can watch all this on the Buffalo Pinball Twitch stream Yes you can And you can actually hear a commentary from me You can hear a commentator from Bruce You can hear him be wrong Once I think that's what's coming a little bit And Greg did a little commentary Yes we did, everyone did Everyone helped out and joined out It worked out really well But there was a clip of you saying that A shot was not backhandable And then the player immediately hit the shot He can't put not well.
    15:50
    Okay, folks. I think it was Fathom. Was it Fathom? And the left flipper hitting the spinner. And Bruce says, this is not makeable. And literally, he immediately made the shot.
    16:04
    That wasn't a spinner. I think the spinner, like the three spins, that doesn't count, you're saying? No, it doesn't. No.
    16:12
    Bruce logic. Gotcha. Speaking of, though, that Fathom was really nice. That was a lot of fun playing that machine. Yes, and it played really well. And my rule does stick always. It's spinner all day on that machine. Pretty much.
    16:29
    You've got to light it first, but yeah. I tried to actually say it was always multi-ball. The only time multi-ball helps, if you can cradle the ball, have the double multiplier, and then have it lit, then you can really hit the spinner well. Or if you can steal somebody else's locks, that helps too. even that, you're wasting too much time trying to get those multipliers, and then if it doesn't work, then you're SOL. True. So I'm looking through the SDS results trying to see how many former guests were victorious. We have Steve Daniels, one Vermont. We have Escher Lefkos, one Colorado, with Escher in second.
    17:07
    Raymond Davidson, one Washington. Tim Sexton, one Connecticut. Tim Balls. Yes, he won Connecticut. I still feel like I owe Tim an apology for knocking him out of Classics 1 of the Pinball Summer Open last year. Tim, this is my heartfelt apology.
    17:27
    Oh, God. We have Carl D'Angelo in California. He did so. And we want to get the one on eventually, so that would be nice. That's never happening. I mean, I'm going to. Yeah, that's never happening. I'm telling you. This is not happening. Never say never. I think I have a replacement for our most used guest. Our most used guest. Abused? That's a pretty mean thing to say, Bruce. Used guest. Well, we use them.
    18:00
    Replacement? How are we replacing? Who's the guest who's been on the most? Tim Balls. Why would we replace Tim Balls? In the future, everyone will know. in the year 2000.
    18:16
    He's got black hair and he's a wiseass. It's a long list. Mr. Povero has offered his services. Okay.
    18:29
    As long as he's sober. Oh, he'll be sober. Are you sure? I guarantee it. Okay. if you want to hear non-sober Greg Poverell you can watch on the Slam Tilt stream at the Amazonian Finals and he did well on the other one too on the Buffalo Pinball one with me he did very well I had a really good time with him I think that's it for New York State how about your Massachusetts Finals Spirit of Massachusetts is the spirit of America the spirit of the red Red, white, and blue.
    19:07
    Yes. Oh, how did I do? Yeah. I didn't win. I noticed. And I came prepared, too. I had my sweater on, of course, because I always wear a sweater. And underneath the sweater, I had my Yankee shirt ready to go. Ready for the victory picture.
    19:26
    In the first round, I played Kenny. Here. I didn't want to say it because, yeah. Kenny was a hell of a player. That's the thing about this format. There's no let up in any round. It's just hard. So I went to seven games, and I was actually in three games to two. So he picks Monster Bash, which he gets Monster Bash on ball one.
    19:53
    He basically did everything you could possibly do in the game except Monsters of Rock, which he was close to. But everything else, like the Mosh Pit multiball, everything you can conceive of, he did. It just completely, completely destroyed me. I was decimated. And then I picked Star Trek. Even though I sold it, I still like to play it. I came back on ball three and had an embarrassing moment. I picked a game, so I was player one.
    20:25
    Sometime during the match, I kind of forgot I was player one and for some reason thought I was player two.
    20:31
    So this is the things that happen to me. So I'm on ball three. Now, I got like 16 million. Kenny's got around 45 million. So I play my ball, and when I'm done, I look up, and I see 45 million for player two, and I think that's my score. And I see my actual score, which is 84 million, which I had as player one. I'm there like, oh, I have 45 million. I lost. It's over. And it was actually streamed. If you look at the Wicked Pista Pinball Pit stream on Twitch, you will see me as the game is over. I get the sheet out, and I start writing it down because I figure it's over.
    21:17
    And Ken comes over, and he's, like, going to the game to play his third ball. And at that point, I realize, like, oh, yeah, I'm player one, not player two.
    21:26
    So he got up to $50 million and drained out, so I ended up winning. That was weird. Hmm. Yeah. Kind of an out-of-body experience. Yeah, that was an out-of-body experience. So then the next round, I played Augustus. He won the Tress Talker tournament a couple months ago.
    21:45
    And I was down three games. Did you play Augustus Group? Yeah. No, the other one. I was down three games to two, so I picked Star Trek again. See a pattern here? And I got $255 million, the grand champion score, on it. So I won that. And then so he picked Metallica. And he proceeds to get cranked up on ball one.
    22:09
    And he just kills it. So I kind of had to get cranked up. I got the, what is it, the cross multi-ball. I got the sparky multi-ball. I come out of that on ball three, and I got three of the four things. All I need are snakes. Like, cool. Go into the stats report. How many snakes do I need? 11. Ooh. let's just say I didn't make it I couldn't get the 11 snakes unfortunately it's like damn it I figured I would just actually go for the snake then go for another shot then go for the snake and maybe get snake multiball first because I needed a shit ton of points to come back so I did not come back and what's your favorite crank it up mode well I always used to pick for whom the bell tolls but I see everyone picks fade to black because of the spinner So I think maybe I'm doing it wrong. I pick Perhune and Veltos because I like the ramps, and I can hit them easy with the combo and repeatable shot. Yeah. I'm kind of in that book, too. Do you know anyone who doesn't like Metallica? No, I don't know anyone who doesn't. Well, I'm sure Zach doesn't like it. Right. Well, that goes outside. That's a given.
    23:18
    That's Zach Fry, not Zach Sharp. Other than Zach, no. Our own Zach. Hi, Zach. So you lost to Augustus, who went on to the finals against Chuck Webster. Mm-hmm. And he won four games to two. So you lost to the winner also. Yep. I usually lose to the eventual winner, too. I lost to the guy that lost to the eventual winner. So it's like second cousin twice removed or something? Is that how that works? That's how it works. Okay. All right. I feel a little better about that now. I mean, I lost to a guy at Papa B Division, the guy who beat me in a playoff, one.
    24:00
    And actually, what's his name? Jordan Treadway was in my group when I got eliminated. Then he went on to win. So if you're in a group with me, you're going to win. If you get past me, you are pretty much the champion. Yeah. Right. So you want me in your group. You need me in that group. Yeah.
    24:20
    Nice. SDSCS. Any other interesting SDS? Oh, the other interesting thing is I know what Lyman Sheets' basement looks like now. Oh. Because Deadflip streamed the Illinois finals.
    24:33
    It must have been like an impromptu thing because he just had a camcorder because they didn't have like the rig or anything like that. So he's walking through the basement and they said, you know, it's Lyman's house. Like, oh, man, Lyman's got a nice basement. It looks like you would think it would look. It has all his games in there. So, you know, there's Monster Bash. There's an Attack from Mars. There's, you know, there's Spider-Man. the 1-1 again. Of course he did. He's the one. My favorite moment, though, was the game. Hi, Keith. My favorite moment was the game he lost.
    25:06
    He's had three games to one, so he's playing Josh Henderson. Josh Henderson picks Spider-Man. Josh Henderson destroys Spider-Man. He makes Spider-Man his personal bitch.
    25:17
    I mean, complete destruction. Ball one and three went on forever. It was ridiculous. So Keith goes up. he's player two, ball three, he just plunges it. Like, nope, not going to bother. Wow, I like that. It's just like, you know, because it would have taken him 45 minutes just to come back. It's like, no.
    25:35
    That's fucking ball. He picked Grand Prix Nice And then you know everyone so used to Grand Prix That cool too Yep And everyone so used to Grand Prix being on five ball Because they're used to Papa. It was on three ball. So they're playing it. And, you know, Keith is player one because he picked a game. He's significantly in the lead. And Josh drains out on ball three. And then there's, like, this silence.
    26:00
    Because I think, you know, Jack, who was filming it, thought it was a five ball game. but then he realizes, oh, it's not the re-ball? It's over then? It was pretty anti-climactic. I see that. Speaking from Attack from Mars, I'm super psyched that they replaced the Ghostbusters in one of the local malls up here with an Attack from Mars. Testify, testify. Testify. Ah, yes. I enjoyed Ghostbusters. I know it got a lot of hate, and I did enjoy it. I love the theme. It did wear on me, though. So, like, after a while, after I've heard the same call-outs 30, 40 times, I'm like, you know, I'm kind of over it. So I'm not sad to see it start leaving locations. Who you got to call? Not this game. We called it, you know, we called it FeekleBusters.
    26:50
    FeekleBusters? Very classy. Well, I'm going to try to be more classy. Oh, good luck. Good luck with that. This is the podcast. Yes. When I was at the Massachusetts Final, I spoke to Chuck Webster. Oh, yes. How is Chuckle still? Chuck is good. And BMX is still awesome. I know where you can buy one. Ooh. Really? I'll have to talk about that. Okay. Oh, no, no, no. Sorry. You said you had no more room. Shut up. He had heavy metal meltdown with the topper.
    27:25
    Just to reiterate, particle board cabinets suck. Yes, they do. They're terrible. He's showing me the head on that thing. It's like almost coming off. It's bad. But heavy metal meltdown is still awesome. Don't make my ears do it, I'm saying.
    27:43
    Crumbling in your basement. Yeah. So, he asked if I could mention the Sweet Talker tournament that's coming up on February 10th. Normally, we would talk about this, Chuck, but it's a conflict for us.
    27:57
    Because the Upstate Open is the same day. It's the Upstate New York Open. But since we're trying to make New England people feel better about themselves with their tournaments, we will definitely help them out, those poor New Englanders. Those poor New Englanders with their team that's in the Super Bowl again.
    28:16
    How many penalties did they get? Don't even get to that. How many penalties did they get? Oh, there we go. There we go. I like when the referees were, like, shaking Tom Brady's hand and stuff. They were. After the game, they're like, you all killed the Tom Brady. You're right. Now, granted, going into that game, did anyone actually think that Blake Bortles would beat Tom Brady in Foxborough? No, but still, they needed to. Good. The defense actually screwed him more than the offense, you know.
    28:41
    But the Sweet Talker tournament will be at the Wicked Piss of Pinball Pit. This is the, it's not the Trash Talker, it's the Sweet Talker. It's the women's, it's a women's tournament. It will be February 10th at the Wicked Piss of Pinball Pit. Check it out. Our own Stephanie was our winner last year. Yep. Pinball Princess was the winner. Just check it out. Go on Facebook. Actually, if you just Google the Sweet Talker Pinball Tournament, it comes right up. I believe it's number three. Sweet Talker Tournament, part three. Good luck, ladies.
    29:13
    So, on that same day, in upstate New York somewhere, Rochester, New York, the Civil War Saloon, we have our top 16 people all set up. Top 16 in what? the Upstate New York Finals. Ooh, so no one from New York City can win. They can. Whoa, okay. There's actually a couple people in there. Do you know your top 16 players, Ron? I'm confused already. Do I know the top 16? No, I have no idea who they are. Okay, see? So this is anybody who played in the Upstate New York leagues, any tournament in Upstate New York earned points last year. And now we have, based off those numbers for Upstate New York, all get grouped together, and then we pick our top 16. So the questions went out to, remember Ron complained about it, 50 people with their emails. Well, I got 17 people ready to play. Yeah, and then you send it out again with everyone's emails again. Yeah, I don't listen to you. No. That's a given. Yeah. When do I ever listen to you? Exactly.
    30:18
    Friendship. So here's your top, or would you first, all three of us are in this. Oh, we are? Cool. Yes, we are. So would you like to first hear who you were playing? I don't care.
    30:35
    You're playing? You're going to kill the entire segment, Ron. Good job. Oh, wait. Who am I playing? I am waiting with bated breath for you to tell me who I'm playing. You played him in Orange County Pinball a lot. Ooh.
    30:48
    Anthony Lambos. Junior. Uh-oh. Uh-oh is right. Uh-oh. He won revenge on me for the one whole cat I won.
    30:57
    See? You are ranked eighth in upstate New York run. Cool. I get to play an Orange County pinball player. I get to play Ryan Estes. All right. Andy. Yes? Do you know who you get to play? I don't, but I'm sure you're going to tell me. I am going to tell you. Here we go. You get to play one of the two Canadians in our group. Oh, man. So you must revenge USA for this one. Oh, boy. Did you just say revenge? Revenge USA. Yes. I've seen that on a car lately. Yes.
    31:35
    Ian Hammerer. And I know I butchered his name, and I'll get a nasty email from Ian. But hi, Ian. Hi, Ian. So here's your top 16. Steve Bowden will be playing Dave Chewy Colon.
    31:49
    That's Chewy's nickname. Eric Russell will be playing Greg Pavarelli. Wait a minute. Did you just say that's Chewy's nickname? Wouldn't Chewy be the nickname? No, that's Chewy's nickname. Okay. So David is his nickname. His real name is Chewy. Well, I call him Chewy whenever I see him. Yeah, I do too. See? There you go.
    32:09
    So Eric Russell plays Greg Pavarelli in the first round. Howard Levine plays Jeff Teolis another good first round Nick Lane plays Alberto Santana and he plays Ian Zach plays Jason Ford I play Brian and Ron you play Anthony and this is the double elimination that's the five for a round and where is this happening again? it's that beautiful luxurious silver ball saloon come on down Come on down, East Rochester, New York, with 19 and soon to be more pinball machines. Soon to be more? Ooh. But Ron's going to make fun of me about that. So how did our poll come out, Ron? The poll that we didn't even mention in the last week's episode. I know. I mentioned it two weeks ago because the voting was still going on. Yeah. I didn't want to bias anybody like other polls get biased. But we'll get to that later. Oh.
    33:08
    Stick in the high road. You can hire him. Yeah. We had a poll between Sea Witch versus, I believe it was Quicksilver. It was. For which game should go to the Silver Ball Saloon? Because Harlem was sold, and it was sold to Eric Russell, CNY, which was delivered yesterday. I get to play it. Yay. We all get to play it. He's still in Central New York League. So the winner was Sea Witch. Oh. So, of course, Bruce immediately posts, look at the new arrival to Silver Ball Saloon. Quicksilver.
    33:49
    Good job, Bruce. Making our listeners feel really important. Well, they should, because guess what's coming after that?
    33:58
    Sea Witch? Sea Witch. So they're both going there? Both going there. Wow. Four classic sterns. That's everyday use. Not many people can say that. So you'd be the ultimate Stern Army. You should be the Stern Saloon or something. Stern Saloon. The Stern Silver Ball Saloon. So when I was out dropping off Eric's machine, I picked up a machine at his house to work on it and bring to the saloon afterwards. And what would that be? Spider-Man, Spider-Man Bruce, are you classically trained? Because I knew what that was within two notes You can play Name That Tune With Me I hate that game I hated that game because they would play songs with an orchestra That would suck You can't get no satisfaction on an orchestra and you're supposed to identify it in like two or three notes. I'm like, I have no idea. Come on, man. You spend a lot of time in elevators. I'm sure that was probably how it was. Yeah, exactly.
    35:10
    I forgot to mention one thing. We do have one backup for the upstate finals. And that is our own J.T. Harrison, if he's ever on time.
    35:19
    Wow. Very nice of us. It's the truth. Yeah, he is chronically late. Yes, he is chronically late. so um let's do this now I'm going to do this quickly I have an issue uh oh you're so bad you beat on everyone oh that's me sorry go ahead no no and this is not going to be popular to say I have an issue with total nuclear knowledge oh wow I think this is the first okay no no now when I was listening to the Head to Head Pinball Podcast. Hi, Martin. Hi, Ryan C. Hi, Martin. How y'all doing? Good day. That's terrible, Bruce. That was horrible. So, see what I have to do with this. Yeah. So, they had Scott D'Anicio, and he was talking about total nuclear annihilation. And he said something that scared me.
    36:18
    He said they were working on some enhancements to the software. Like, cool. Some of them we already, I think, talked about. The whole, like, the number of reactors you blow up is at the end of the score deal. But one of the things he said was, it's going to have a new remastered soundtrack.
    36:36
    That made me go, ooh, what does that mean? When I hear that, I think, something's going to change. Something that is going to change that shouldn't change. I mean, I'm just thinking, like, I love the music in that game. I hope he doesn't change stuff. I hope he doesn't go all Lucas on us You know where you have The really perfect thing but you gotta keep tinkering with it I call that the Lucas effect What do you mean? The first Death Star didn't blow up good enough Yeah we had a ring thing around it So it wouldn't blow up, you know whatever And Han Solo would never fire first Yeah Is he gonna go full dubstep on us?
    37:15
    Well, here we go There was a stream I saw a Twitch stream of someone who actually had the new software in. They were testing it. It was the prototype software. And I, being OCD as I am, immediately catch that the main theme song, the main tune, has been changed.
    37:36
    And I don't like the change. What? Yeah. And it's a little thing. It's just the one really, I call it the catch note in the song, and it's hard to explain. That's why I'm going to have, I'm going to just play the tracks right here.
    37:53
    And I'd almost like, if you could put up a poll for this, the choices would be the original music, the remastered music, or Ron's really overthinking this, he needs to get a life and not worry about this. Those are like the three poll choices. I vote for number three, all in favor say aye. Well, give me a chance here.
    38:13
    I'm going to hear it first. Yeah, so I'm going to, now, when I edit this, I'm going to put the actual tracks in there so it doesn't sound as bad as it's about to sound to you two guys, because I'm just going to put my headset up to the speaker.
    38:26
    And this is basically, this is the, I call it, this is the shooter groove part of the tune. This is when the ball is sitting in the shooter lane. When you plunge it, the bass kicks in, but the basic music is still the same. So this is basically bassless, but you'll get the idea. And I have it all queued up here, so we don't waste too much time. Now, I'm just going to play the original first, and I'm going to play the remastered. So here we go. First, the original.
    39:08
    Okay, you got that part? Yeah. Got that fresh in your head. Here's the remastered version. I get what you're saying. See, to me, the main catch note is that at the end.
    39:34
    And he just lowered the pitch of it significantly. To me, it just doesn't have that same catch like it had before. That could be just me. but what do you think Bruce with your great ear for music being a KISS fan and all what did you think I think he's asleep I think he needs to take himself off mute I'm actually still thinking about the music I'm really thinking about it so I'm really or is it and it actually added a little like a little like that It was like a little added half note, but it was an octave lower. It's significantly lower, and that's what I noticed immediately when I heard the stream, because I'm so used to the way it normally sounds, because I've played it probably more than a lot of people have played it at shows and seen it over and over again. I think I like the changes. If they could just basically keep that note that you're referring to, I'd probably dig it more. I'm going with answer three Ron's just freaking nuts and just get over it can we go one and three? I think one and three would be good okay no offense to TNA I still love the game I don't know you're the first person that's really bashed on TNA so that's a bash that I don't like to remaster and it seemed like most of the rest of the other music was the same I didn't notice it to be that much different That's why it was weird that the main, like, I mean, that's the main tune, is the one thing that seems to be changed the most. It's weird. Okay.
    41:20
    Everyone's there. Yeah, okay, Ron. Yeah, I think I am, too. Yeah, of course you are. I can just imagine the listener graph kind of tapering down. Yeah, right now we went for a high part of the podcast, and now they're dropping off like flies.
    41:35
    Okay, okay. Not that I'm clearly drawing them all in. All right. Yes, you are. Absolutely, I am. Because, folks, you know, in past podcasts, I've mentioned Andy as doing probably the best butthead I've ever heard. Or one of the top buttheads I've ever heard. And I said, we've got to get him on one day. We've got to do a Beavis and Butthead thing. It's above average. I mean, I certainly had a lot of time to practice my voice repertoire being, you know, the geeky and nerdy kid that I was. So I certainly had my practice time. You know, I did some time in radio, so I have that going for me, too. More radio. Radio and pinball. Maybe I should get into radio. Maybe that's the deal there.
    42:18
    I don't know. There's a lot of buttons involved. Oh, that's fine. That's fine. All we hear is radio gaga.
    42:28
    Radio goo goo. No, no, that's highway. That's queen. That'll be in Texas. So don't worry about that.
    42:35
    Wait, what? What now? What's it, Texas? Highway Pinball. Highway Pinball is going to be talking about their new title, which will be Queen.
    42:44
    They will never make it, so don't worry. It's down there this year, so maybe I'll get to check that out. All you'll see is a flyer, probably, from them. But you will get to play Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle. Yes, because they will be bringing it out. They have a teaser video. Yes. All ten seconds of it with the quickest cut scenes you've ever seen. I don't know how much of the game. I actually use, other than it has LCD now. That's about the only part I got out of it. It helps. We'll sure have a game there.
    43:16
    Pirates is going to be there. I guarantee it will. It'll be chock full of games. Ah, chock full of games, because it is truly the new Expo. Chock full of games is .9 of the Guardians of the Galaxy. .95 for both Guardians of the Galaxy and Batman. There you go. We'll almost get to 1-0.
    43:36
    It's time for a piece of news Piece of news Brought to you by This Week in Pinball Hi Jeff Could you like Build a noose or something Damn it That's pretty stupid dude Yeah yeah But did you see the new game It's like ACDC Lucy Edition It's cool It's not loose It's pretty cool What the hell are you kids doing There No, that don't work, Bob. Don't even try it. You're just embarrassing yourself, you know? I know what I'm doing. Thank you. A CDC Premium Edition, which when they had the Vault Edition, I believe it was just the Pro. So now it's the... No, they had a Pro and a Premium. And now they released another version. I don't remember the Premium. I only remember the Pro. It's been out there. Because remember we were talking about the different play fields with the adjustable hell. Oh, yeah, you're right, the adjustable hell. How you doing there, Chief? The adjustable hell, meaning the window. Yes. Yes, this is the Lucy edition. Yeah. You know, she was a fast machine. She kept her motor clean. She was the best damn woman that I've ever seen.
    44:54
    Did you know that? I did know that. I've heard that's... So you've got to buy one of these. You can't sell your finger on it. No, not really.
    45:04
    But I feel bad for the people who bought a premium regular edition vault. And then this comes out. People are like thinking, I'm not going to do it with Lucy. I better just jump on this premium vault. And it's just like the first time. Sturge, Sturge again.
    45:19
    More money. More money. More money, more money, more money. Now I shouldn't have an ACDC just like everybody else. Yes, you should. You should.
    45:29
    Yeah. Just get a box. It'll take up less space in your apartment. And when you get to your house, you can put everything in there. Did you know there was an awards show this Friday? This past Friday? I saw most of it. You saw most of it? Most of it. The Straight Down the Middle guys did it. Yeah. I thought they did a good job. I thought it was just going to be like, they were just going to like say the winners, but they actually had videos to show the contenders. I thought it was pretty cool. It was more than I thought it would be, honestly. But I really didn't listen to it too much because I was winning a tournament.
    46:09
    Humble brag. Jesus Christ. Okay, Bruce, what were you winning? We might as well segue here. I won the Fiesta Forever tournament, the pre-tournament for our SVS. All night long. I was actually listening to Lionel Richie on my phone. All night long, all night. Were you dancing on the ceiling? I was, and you know what? That's what those footprints were for. Yes.
    46:33
    It's really weird. That song, Hello. Everyone talks about stalkers and creepy people. That's a freaking song about it.
    46:41
    Yeah, and every breath you take. Yeah, exactly. It's fine. So, is it me you're looking for, Bruce? Is it me you're looking for? No, now get out of my window, you freak. Yeah, what the hell? I just remember the video. Was she blind and she makes a sculpture that doesn't look anything like him?
    47:01
    Her thumb's in the middle of his forehead. Check it out, folks, if you ever want to see something funny. Watch that video.
    47:10
    So we had the Twippy Awards. And our guesses were pretty right on. Yeah. Yeah, the voters have spoken, and original themes are good. Yes. Who knew? We had the best animations and light display, Dialed In Wins. Mm-hmm. Best light show, Total Nuclear Annihilation Wins, which I must say, after watching some, I watched a couple streams where they had that game on, like you could just see the attract mode, and that does some crazy stuff with the colors theme. It is pretty damn cool, I have to say. Best Theme, Star Wars Best Toys and Gimmicks, dialed in Best Theme Integration, dialed in Best Sound and Callouts, which I just heard this is going to be two categories next year Best Sound and then Callouts But Best Sound and Callouts, TNA Yep, totally Really? You think that's the best sound? I see sound But the Callouts part, see I think that's why people thought it needed to be separated Nope, I thought it was pretty good. Best Code and Rules. Dialed in.
    48:19
    Best Playfield Gameplay and Layout. Dialed in, of course. Of course. I was right on this one. Best Artwork. Aerosmith. Guardians of the Galaxy, really close behind it.
    48:32
    And Game of the Year. Dialed in. Those were your categories there. And how is your dialed in? My dialed in is awesome. Love it I still haven't gotten a chance to play a lot of it I know there's one down in Binghamton But that's about the closest one I'm aware of Dun Oh I forgot some of the other ones Favorite new mod The Penn Stadium Lights thing Let's see Favorite YouTube channel The straight down to middle guys That was a little convenient Hey I'd love that Let's see favorite Twitch streamer was Deadflip. It really isn't that much of a surprise.
    49:21
    Of course, then there was that other category. Did you lose signal on that? Yeah, you know, I was watching it and they announced Buffalo Pinball and then Head to Head Pinball. Congratulations, guys, as the nominees. And then my feed went out. My feed went out, too. Really? Who's your internet provider? Oh, it's Spectrum out in Buffalo when we were at the tournament. Oh, I'm Spectrum too. They must have had some kind of upstate internet issue. Yeah. When it came back on, they were on to the next category. They were on something else. I forget what it was. Yeah, I forget what it was. So, yes, that's it. Yeah, that's it. I will say that the head-to-head boy said we should have been in the top three, which was very flattering. I think the fact that we were off the whole time when that was announced didn't help. No, it doesn't help, but I wasn't worried. I'm not worried about it. Trust me. I don't believe I'm in competition with other podcasts. No, I don't want to be in competition. We mostly support all of them, so that's totally against our motto. That's against everything. Yeah. But if you notice, the top three who did beg. It's in the top three.
    50:31
    Always the high road, Bruce. Always the high road. Classy, freddy, classy.
    50:39
    We know, brother. Do you know there's going to be the five days of deep root? What the hell does that mean? I keep on getting deep rooted all the time. What is this? What? Yeah, there's the exclusive deep root news, new hires, three additional experienced pinball designers. I wonder what that's going to be. I don't know. There's a lot of those around, aren't there? I mean, clearly. So, yeah. It's like 12 people in it. It's the five days of deep root.
    51:09
    I'm getting deep rooted all right. Hey-o. Oh, God. Jesus Christ. I am looking so forward to the Bible Adventure pinball update The Bible Adventure For God sake
    51:27
    Literally. Yes. Let there be full and poor. It's going to be great. Not as good as Golden Girls, though. No, Golden Girls is going to be the all-star of all stars. I'm hoping for a really solid March mug. So we'll see.
    51:46
    And then Zombie League All-Stars and All-Star Baseball should be coming out in the next month or two.
    51:52
    And more Houdinis. Yeah. There's actually a Straight Down Middle guys had an unboxing video. Yeah. Which they had, the speaker thing is kind of weird. Did you see that? All the speakers are in the head, supposedly. There's one in the cabinet, and they, like, kind of half come out of the head. It was weird. Mm-hmm. Seems like a design flaw. Well, we'll see. well, they had a circuit board like inside the cabinet on the side.
    52:17
    Yeah. That's a problem. I just think data east immediately. Yeah, it was a plucker with the flip boards. Yeah, like the plate fields get in turn and rip. There goes all the whole board. You've seen a lot of it. They've done it. I don't understand why you see things that like are known to not work well. And we just keep on trying again. Yeah, like... But the big money's in repairs, right? That's where the big money's at. Well, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Circuit boards under the play field. That never works well. So Chicago Gaming puts all the main boards underneath the play field now. What could possibly go wrong? Nothing. Vibration. Oh, that's right. We've already found that vibration's bad on node boards also. Yeah. I mean, and then you had, well, originally you had Jersey Jack putting the boards in the bottom of the game.
    53:05
    Atari kind of proved that that shouldn't be done. Yeah. I mean, they put a big steel box thing over it, but still. But now they moved him into the head.
    53:14
    I don't get it. Let's see. Tron, Vault Edition rumors? Wait a minute. You owned a Tron. You're going to fall asleep here again? How long did I own it for? Not long. Nope. That's news, I guess. That's film news that's fit to print. All the news that's fit to print.
    53:35
    What is next? Well, let's see. Do you want to do emails? Do you want to do face-off? We can do another segment that we haven't done in a while. Ooh, and what's that? Would I not buy that? You mean the one we did like two episodes ago? Three episodes ago. Okay, three episodes ago? I'd buy that for a dollar.
    53:59
    Let's go to the mail first. I'll get it all set up in the background while we're ready. Oh, so you'll be prepared. Yes, like never. All right. Who kidnapped Bruce and replaced him with a prepared person? I know. What the fuck's going on here? I don't know. But luckily, Ron's going to open up his mailball bag. Yeah, I'm opening the mailball bag. Step back. Okay.
    54:20
    Yeah, yeah. Is it Mitchie Henning or Mishie Henning? I don't know. You can butcher his name this time. He's one of our Australian. We have a lot of Australian fans. Yes, we do. Must be Bruce's spot-on accent. Of course it is. I don't think it's because we don't take anything seriously, and that kind of seems to be the original way. Yeah, that seems to be the whole way of life. Love it. That's right, mate. G'day. I'm not even going to jump in on that one. Oh, yeah, you will. Come on. So, Mickey Henning, come on now, Ron, really. This is about Black Hole, I guess. If a game tells you, oh, no, that's right. If a game tells you you fail, you have failed. The machine can't be wrong because it's impartial. Just face it. Fail, fail, fail. Okay. I've seen a lot of machines be wrong. I don't know about that. If you don't want to fail, go back to your Wussy Stearns and Jersey Jacks. Those companies make them to make you think that you can play pinball. Ooh. And while you're at it, stop whining about Black Hole. Take it on the chin like a real man would. Besides, Black Hole is one of the best games ever made. That's because if you own one, you are never short of a place to put things where the sun don't shine. Cheers. What are we supposed to put on our chins? I don't know.
    55:40
    Black hole. That sounds like a pretty good game. I don't want to put anything on my chin, dude. That's lame. Dangerous. Yes, it is. Blue.
    55:53
    Black hole. P.S. Guys, really, please keep it going. I look forward to each episode and listen to it as soon as it comes out. They are all funny, topical, interesting, and just an all-around good listen. Good job. Thank you.
    56:08
    Thank you. PPS, Bruce, I recommend you dissolve a large tablespoon of Vegemite in a cup of hot water and drink it. If you survive, your illness most certainly won't. Ron's got the Vegemite still. I do. Have you ever eaten it yet? I still have the Vegemite. That's correct. Let's see. On Why Body's Plane. This is also from Michi. On why bodies play slow, I generally agree. Most of them are crap. But consider Judge Dredd, and especially Demolition Man. Neither is slow, and they are hard to play in Sheology. In all honesty, these are the only two why bodies I can think of that play well. No. No? Star Trek Next Gen. Cheetah. Big Game. Cheetah. Big Game. Paragon. Very brutal. Even hot-dogging. except for the spinner.
    56:59
    What else? I actually... Actually? Actually. Occasionally? Occasionally. And I think you said Pirates of the Caribbean rocks.
    57:09
    I did. The wide-bodied new one from Jersey Jack? It played good when I played it. See? So there you go. Booyah! I can't wait for the awesome software that I won't be able to comprehend. What? Yeah. The character selection screen with, like, 50 characters in it, with 50 different powers or whatever the hell it's going to be. Ugh. I have no freaking clue what to do. Is it me you're looking for? I don't know, dude. No, no, dude.
    57:36
    Lionel Richie sucks. That's bullshit. Stupid. Yeah. Come on, get out of the 80s, loser. Play something that rocks, dude.
    57:49
    Podcast has gone off the rails or something. Yeah, yeah. You ain't kidding, bud. Okay, we got Ryan C. More Australian action.
    58:03
    Let's see. Good day, lads. Would you buy this? Australian edition. And I actually didn't. I missed the joke here. It's a link to World Cup. Yeah. Like the game. Not World Cup soccer. From Williams. From the Williams game. And it has, like, someone just redid the art on it. in a very juvenile, not very polished manner. And with $2,500 as the price tag. Yeah. So, no. We would not buy that. Not at all. Oh, and here's a funny story. When we had Joe on last week and he was telling us about, you know, killing smog on Hobbit. Yeah. It's like, I got to see what that looks like. So I do a YouTube search on that, start watching a video. It's like, wow, this guy's Australian. Wait a minute, he sounds like Ryan Seay. It was Ryan Seay. It was his video. G'day. They mentioned you a lot in this last episode. Did you notice that? I haven't listened to it yet, Bruce. It was just released today.
    59:06
    Or actually yesterday. No, today. You know today. Yeah. So I was supposed to download it and listen to it. I work, Bruce.
    59:13
    When you're driving home, you can at least listen to part of it. Some of us have jobs, Bruce. Yeah, some of us have jobs. I got two jobs. How you doing there, boys? He got up on that one, I must say. All right, fine.
    59:28
    Jason emailed us. I know you guys are not a fan of the machine, meaning the Hobbit, but is there a cooler end of game than the dragon lighting the playfield on fire? I finally put in the update and was amazed at the new code for the end of the game. And thank you to your guest who pointed out how to use the upper right flipper. He was dead on with it. I know it's an audio podcast, but watch the quick video at the end of the game video. I credit Jack's Coders with such a simple thing that grabs your attention if you're standing by it.
    60:00
    And it is impressive. The lion, yeah. The dragon breathes fire and the entire play field just goes orange. Watch it right now. Lion man. It would be more impressive if it actually caught on fire. Oh. And ended the game. The white show is very nice. I never, you know, honestly, I never, I don't know much, enough about the software or really care enough about software to criticize the software. I just criticize the layout and how it plays. I just never liked the way it played. What do you think of it, Andy? Do you like The Hobbit?
    60:35
    No, not really. Jeez. It always felt way too wide open to me. Just not, you know, not a whole lot going on in the middle of the play field. but maybe I'm crazy. No, you're not.
    60:52
    I mean, I am, but it's completely unrelated to the conversation. I just got a message so after you're done, I'll have to add a message. Oh, God. What do you mean you got a message? What does that mean? From our Australian people. Oh, boy. Here we go. We also have to help out one of our listeners. Yes, we do. Todd Anderson is looking for one of the better games of Stern, old Stern. He is looking for, we both own it, Ron, so say it together with me. Big game.
    61:26
    Yes. He is in Maryland, so if anyone knows in Maryland area for a big game, PM us, and we will get the information to Todd. And if anybody else wants to kind of like shout out, you can get access to at least maybe 40 people I think we have now, Ron? At least 40. Okay, at least 40. What does PM mean again?
    61:46
    Private message. I have to get on your case. You get on my case. Oh, I think it's the other way around more than that. You hadn't even joked about that one.
    61:56
    Wait, what? What, what, what? What? All right, we have one more email. Oh, who would that be from? From the pinball princess, of course. Of course. Let me break out a pillow here. Yep, get some sandwich meat out. I'm going to start making sandwiches. Man, that's not very nice, butthead. You know, she worked really hard on this letter. I just meant I need to get comfy, dude. Oh, okay. I feel like I can relax and pair myself.
    62:21
    Proceed. Okay, we got... Wow, this is one juvenile podcast right here. Oh, yeah, baby. Yes! Yes, and we got this subject line. Every title I can think of has an awkward innuendo, so I made this crappy one instead, and that's the title. You said innuendo.
    62:39
    Uh, no. I'm going to go with no, too, dude. You know, one of my favorites is when Beavis admits he likes Bon Jovi.
    62:47
    The bun that gets on his face so he can say his butt head in the balls repeatedly. Damn it, Bon Jovi rules. Damn it, don't tell me what I like. I like Winger. Oh, God, no. What? Are you kidding? Winger. Pretty cool, dude. I like the episode where they watch a Bee Gees video and they both love it. This is the best ABBA song I've ever seen.
    63:16
    Is this the Black Crows? It says, Dear Ron and Bruce, It's a shame that I am not more eloquent in speech. I would have, then, a short voice clip set to the soothing sounds of Sea Witch. In lieu of a letter, alas, I was not able to organize my thoughts, so I am instead transcribing notes from my phone to the soothing sounds of Sea Witch. This is where you put the TNA in for the bed from here on. Just nice, soothing.
    63:48
    But I digress. God. I wouldn't say TNA's music is soothing. It's kind of in your face. That's true. But if it's nice and low underneath, kind of nice. All right, maybe not. It was a theory. It was probably wrong. Edit. Listening to the podcast while playing is quite an entertaining experience, and one that I hope to repeat many times in the future. First off, Ron is right. Italians rule. They are awesome. Not only do they have Ron's stellar pinball record as evidence, Princess is a title of nobility, the ruling class, and the princess is Italian. So on that authority, I fully support the pro-Italian theme of the podcast two episodes prior. Aren't the princesses also the ones who usually get sacrificed to the dragon, though? Italian princesses, though? Yeah, probably. Really? Like, what movies are... Actually, what movie is there an Italian princess?
    64:44
    Zero. Second off, Ron is wrong. Ooh. I love this one already. Keep this going. I would say the author of the complete pinball book is Marco... Okay, Ross Ignoli.
    64:58
    Not Ross Ignole. Is that a sandwich meat? I noticed that Ron uses the correct... It's like a provolone, hey, it's a provolone. Ron uses the correct nyeh, nyeh sound when pronouncing Robert Gagnon's surname.
    65:12
    Possibly mnemonic. Think of Bruce going, nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, in smug satisfaction that you made an error, as he may be doing now.
    65:21
    Now he's just laughing. I got that. I regret numbering my points because I don't have that many. but third off I find it hilarious that Lady Diamond came up on the podcast last week wait wasn't it Diamond Lady? prior to listening to the episode great hearing Joe by the way I played one for the first time the shots weren't bad I suppose but once I got past the basic rules I found myself confused to distraction from trying to figure out what exactly was going on I was at the least yelling this doesn't make sense what are you doing Gottlieb? I think Bruce says that a lot at the machine at worst I got a bit of a headache The wisdom given by Timmy, don't think about Gottlieb rules because they didn't, would have been instructive and saved me some frustration. Actually, do you know Diamond Lady is basically almost a copy of Volley? Yes, because somebody emailed us that. Somebody emails about that, and I look at the play field, and it's like, holy shit, pretty much is. It's got pretty much the same. Who did you email this at? I don't know. Someone who might be in the IFPA. Yeah, or maybe runs the FPA. Could be. You know, also, Diamond Lady's plastered in alluring poses all over the playfield. That was almost as disconcerting as the opaque rule set. Ooh, opaque rule set. I gotta remember that. This is deep. I don't think it's too deep. Yeah, this is really deep, my head. You know. Whoa.
    66:50
    You just, like, blew my mind and stuff. Yeah, yeah. I need a nap. any fourth point I may have is bound to dissolve into excited rambling about Sea Witch. Totally beginner questions on tweaking and fixing one's game and expressing hope that I get to play Bruce's Sea Witch one day, because any excuse to play Sea Witch is the perfect excuse. So I will instead end my letter here, reminding everyone that the funnel cake fries at Bruce's bar, the Silver Ball Saloon, are awesome. This has been corroborated by OCPC members visiting. Yes, we were nice enough afterwards. Howard and Mr. Patino stopped by afterwards, and JT was there all night, and they hung out at the bar. So how do those fries measure up to the state fair, though, I'm wondering? Mine are better. You think so? Oh, yeah, definitely. It's just a given.
    67:45
    Don't forget that Greece has been sitting around for a year at the fair. Oh, fantastic. At your place. Okay. No, at the fair. So mine's changed regularly. Oh. Yeah, I prefer salt on pork rinds myself, you know.
    68:01
    Damn it, baby. You left me by the vending machine. I couldn't get them out, and then you just left. You're embarrassing me, dude. So we did get that email from Josh. Do you know where that went? I don't see it now. What email from Josh? We got an email from Josh. We did? We did. Diamond Lady. That was actually our personal emails. Oh, oh. You missed the pitch on this one. That's probably why I didn't read it. I figured that he would have sent it to the podcast if he wanted it read. No, he did not send it to the proper place. Since you're talking to an operator in 1988, here's the correct pitch. Just 12 short years ago, we came out with one of the greatest EMs of all time, Volley. Remember how much money you made on this thing? It was crazy, right? Well, let me tell you, we have one in store for you this upcoming season. It's Volley 2000. Volley on steroids. Volley for the 21st century, and it's only 1988. Diamond Lady takes the triple drop target magic of volley and expands the universe both physically and rule-wise in a machine that is perfect for today's market. Blah, blah, blah. You would have won this, Ron. Great show as always. Thank you, guys. If you look at the champions, which we failed at. Josh. Shouldn't Zach have wrote that? Isn't he the marketing guy? No, not for IFPA. I thought, oh, okay. The only marketing for Stern. And then him talking about a Gottlieb would be like total blasphemy. Oh, that's true. I didn't even think about that. That's right. There is no Gottlieb. Well, actually, since they don't exist anymore, would it be that bad? They still exist because Steve owns the rights to them.
    69:34
    Well, he has the rights to sell parts for the actual owners. Yes. Who is Mondoose? Who is what? Mondoose. Who the hell is Mondoose? It's a company in New Jersey that actually vends and actually bought the rights to Gottlieb. Wow. Neat little trivia there. Thank you very much. Very much, yeah. Won't see that on Jeopardy. No, you won't. No, you will not. You will not. No, you will not.
    70:01
    All right. What else you got, Bruce? You said you had another message? That was the... Or that was it. That was it. Okay.
    70:09
    It's time for Face Off. Yes. You're going down, Bruce. Like I did last week. Oh, that's right. I didn't last week. Yeah, because I made a strategic error. I will not repeat that. I'll be the judge of that. Ooh.
    70:30
    That's right. That's it. Okay, I am ready. I got shit. Wow. I got three fucking games. I'm sorry. Actually, I really don't have three games. Wait, you mean you really don't have three games? I really only have two games.
    70:49
    Are you considering Joust a true pinball machine? Sure. Oh, yeah. You can plug the hell out of that. It's got some features that none of my games have. It is rated 9.0 in the IAP. Bruce, I have games like Going Nuts, Crawl, which no one's even played, Super Orbit, Ready Aim Fire, which everyone hates, Yep. Okay. My first game will be... Actually, who's picking first here? It would be... I only have three again. You have the more choice this time, easily. I have the more choice this time. More choice easily. Yes. Easily. More choice easily. Is that the title of this game? I have the best words. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to write that down. More choice easily. Easily. No one will understand it. It'll lead to more hits.
    71:41
    Words. Yep. Words. Yeah, man, words. Let's see. So what the hell to pick? Because really, this is some lean years. Too bad it wasn't 84. At least I could have got Alien Star. Well, 84, I would have got Space Shuttle. Oh, yeah, you would have had some firepower there. I had firepower, too. Literally. Oh, God. Radiant Fire, that's the one with the pop-upers. Oh, God, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Why did I think these games were good last week? They suck. These are terrible. We should have went with a different year. Oh, no, no. We got to go. We're going nuts, which they made 10 of. Yet, somehow, I still played this turd. So have I. Oh, God.
    72:25
    You know, sometimes games are rare for a reason. Yes. Yeah, this is the one with, like, 30,000 pop-up. All the unicorns. Yeah. God, they suck. I'm going to have to pick ones that suck the least.
    72:40
    Okay, suck away. Suck. He said You know what I meant dude Yeah I'm sorry Stay away from my sack I'll just do this as Beavis then My next pick is Royal Flush Deluxe Because it like Looks like an older game that was much better You know it's like It's like Royal Flush but it's Deluxe So it's like Electronic and stuff And it has like, it basically is Royal Flush with the updated, whatever, solid stateness. But at least it's a decent play field, a decent playing game. It's got lots of drop targets for those who like drop targets. And passable art. Actually, its backless is very reminiscent of the Blackjack backless. I'm looking at it, like the king from like the card deck. And it's got, yeah, this play field has been used many times because it's really good. And Gottlieb reuses stuff when it's good.
    73:51
    Sorry, sorry, I had to clear my throat there. I had to clear my throat perfectly right then and there, okay? Yeah, yeah, so it's a great playing game. The sounds probably suck. I don't remember. I played it at Pinberg.
    74:05
    They probably sound like shit. but the artwork is passable and the play field is a proven winner. There, I like that. A proven winner. I yield the floor.
    74:14
    Okay. We're going for a classic Mark Ritchie design. Classic. Fire, power, two, electric, boogaloo. You get four pop bumpers. You get the better backlash with the better cabinet. Because we have a lot of extras.
    74:37
    I knew Rob was going to say that. It's a four-player game, which is good for this era, because some games did chintz out the two-player games. But you get firepower with a ramp. So you've actually improved on the design. Cool sounds from the System 7 era. Good shots.
    74:58
    Multiball. Good overall game. Fast. and it has the best back box ever with the Hyperbole back box. Just think of it as a Firepower with two-ball multi-ball instead of three and no speech. There you go.
    75:15
    But better. Quality. Thank you. No, it's not better. It's better. It's better than your turn right there. I yield the floor.
    75:23
    Huh. Yeah, I'm going to have to go Firepower just on principle. On principle, what does that mean? Does that just mean all the colleagues suck and I just, why even bother? No, I like the flow of that game a little bit better.
    75:44
    And the pop bumpers. Obviously, if it has pop bumpers, it's winning at my book. Flow? Four whole pop bumpers. Four. Not one, not two, not six. Four. The original has four. It has a useless ramp. It's a locking ramp. No, it's not. It doesn't lock at all. Do you even know the game? I don't want to make see.
    76:05
    Yeah. You win. It's a win. Just suck it up. Oh, suck this. That's terrible. I've literally never played either of those.
    76:14
    Unfortunately, this was based purely on the back glass. So, God leave Art ruins him. Win! Okay. Win. Our guest sucks, butthead.
    76:28
    You're talking about dead. So now we go to another classic. This is definitely the weirdest game ever made by Williams. They must have been in a board meeting going, what do we want to make a game of next? Let's make it out of a snail.
    76:46
    Time Fantasy. It has some pretty cool rules. The rules are actually deep for this era of game. You got your three-pop bumper configuration. You got your long little shot on the right side But the coolest thing about it is there a time mode where you actually go up the left ramp if I remember correctly and you can actually change the shot speed plus you have a U-turn. There's no ramps. Okay. Do you even know the game? Bring the damn thing up and look at it. Fail. Well, he liked ramps before, so I'm going to just go for that.
    77:21
    How can you start a game where you don't know what it looks like? I'm looking right at it. Yeah, and you still said ramps. Okay. Loop. It's got mushrooms in it, which are cool.
    77:32
    And a stoned snail. What the hell's wrong with a stoned snail? He's stoned. It's great. But it does have some pretty deep, it has pretty deep rules. And if you look, the U-turn looks like a mushroom. It's certainly part of the motif. It is. And there's a rainbow in it. Who doesn't like a game with a rainbow? Two rainbows. You know, you might as well just throw the towel on this one, Ron. I don't, I mean. Okay, okay. If we're going to go that route, I'm picking Q-Bert's Quest.
    78:04
    Q-Bert's Quest, it farts in the direction of time fantasy. It says, you think you're weird? Look at me. Look at my flipper configuration. I can be more weird than you, Williams. Look at that. Look at that innovative flipper configuration. Look at that. That is ugly. Look at that. Yes, it's great. I'm sure it plays great, too. I mean it's got a loop up top look at that look at that circle it's just like sea witch man I can't say I blame you for not even trying and phoning this one in I'm not phoning this man it's time fantasy but still I mean I just got eye cancer looking at that game yes in the holy hell I mean I love Q-Bert that's a good game this is an abomination this goes against God this goes against science. This goes against just the natural way of life. I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't, yeah, that's weird. Continue. He might have a further point, but I doubt it.
    79:11
    I hate you, butthead. You suck. In that case, no, you picked your game. No, I, no. You picked your game. No, I didn't. Yeah, I picked my game. I just lost. He just said I lost, so I'm going on to the third one. You already won. I pick it. It's my third game. What? That's right. Yeah, pay attention. I'm the only one paying attention to the game, and somehow you're winning. It's just so wrong. Here we go. Petty. So petty. Oh, yeah. Oh, goodness. Where the hell is the game? It was just here before. So petty. You're paying attention, I see. It was Kroll, wasn't it? Wasn't it? No, where is Kroll? Man, there's a lot of games in here. I'm picking going nuts Oh god Going nuts, look at this play field Look at the pop-upers Look at that awesome artwork With cute little squirrels everywhere Because they're going nuts, get it? They got nuts everywhere Look at all those pop-upers You got, you got, look at four flippers Drop targets Tons of pop-upers And god damn squirrels everywhere Did I mention there's pop-upers? There's pop-upers in this game I count 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 pop bumpers. Exactly. It is pop bumpers. It is everything you ever wanted a game. Drop targets, pop bumpers, and more pop bumpers. And squirrels. They tend to produce because you play for four hours at a time. Yes. I give you going nuts. It was so innovative. It literally broke the bank, and they could only make ten of them. And they had to, like, not make any more. It was so awesome. It was like that Monty Python where they have the joke that's so funny that just getting multiple words of it will severely injure you. Literally, this game was so good, they couldn't make more than ten because it was just too powerful. Too powerful. I yield a four.
    81:06
    Okay, so I have two to go by, and they're both flat top games. What the hell does that mean? The flat top. Like, you know, it's not a normal pinball configuration. Either rat race or joust. Do you mean a cocktail? No, not a cocktail because cocktail, I don't know if you can see. Well, rat race is a cocktail, but joust is kind of its own category. Yeah, it is. It's a head-to-head pinball machine. I'm going joust. Head-to-head pinball machine. 402 made. You play against the other player. You have your own little play field on your side. He has his own little play field on the other side. You have a couple ways to get the ball up to the other side. He or she. Or she. There.
    81:54
    I hate when I'm getting interrupted by this inferior person who's lost two games already. You have shooter rods on each end. So you shoot your balls up into the other player's area, which is kind of cool. You have four sets of drop targets in this thing. Two spinners. Two flippers on each side.
    82:12
    An out hole. and a lock hole on each side also. So, good game. You really think that Joust, I mean, it's got, Going Nuts has nuts in the name. But it has the great sound of Joust.
    82:28
    That's true. That is true. I got to go with Going Nuts, because at least I've played that. Okay. It's got nuts in the name. How did you play Going Nuts? Where did you play that? Pimble Arcade. Oh, Jesus. That doesn't count. I know. I played it at what's called Las Vegas.
    82:49
    Well, that makes you special. No, it makes me just waste another 30 minutes of my life playing that game. Yeah. Also true. Actually, if I was you, I would have voted for Jowls. It's a much better game. It is. It's actually very fun. Well, you already lost anyway, but I appreciate the advice. Yeah. So, win again. Boy, Bruce is a fuego. Yeah, whatever. Could you pick maybe like a year and a couple of manufacturers that actually made games in the given year? Yeah. Hold on. Let me do this this time because Bruce keeps picking stuff. I didn't pick it. Yes, you did. You picked it last week. It's my turn to pick. It's his turn to pick. It's the guest who picks the year. Bruce, I'm talking about the random.org. No, he picked it. No, you picked it last week. Well, I put the names in. That's all I was. I gave you choice of second choice. You can do the same thing. Go ahead. That's what I'm doing right now. Well, you've got to wait until Andy picks the year. So, Andy, go to your random.org. No, you didn't do that last week. You just picked the year. No, you didn't. You went to random.org and picked the year. Okay, pick a year.
    83:54
    Damn it. Correct me. Anger. I know. Boy, he loses two weeks in a row. Yeah, I get tested. Let's see. And we got 1992.
    84:06
    Oh, there's only two. No, it's got to be three, right? Data East, actually, there's actually four. Data East, Gottlieb, Williams, and what, Alvin G or something? Alvin G. There's three for Alvin G. For 92? Okay. But I wouldn't consider the third one because it's another head-to-head. No. All right. So we've got three manufacturers.
    84:30
    So it's one to three. Who gets to choose first? It would be you since you lost. Oh. So I keep choosing. Okay. One to three. You know, you put Williams, you get the first or the second. The third one doesn't matter. So the first one. I got one to three here. You tell me which one's one, two, and three. Okay. One will be William. Sorry. Let's try this again.
    84:56
    So one will be Data East. Two will be Gottlieb or Premier. And three will be Williams. All right. Generate button.
    85:07
    I got three. Three. So you picked Williams? Yes. I will pick Williams. Okay. And what's the next one? Let's generate. No, you didn't get it. That's right on the thing. You had three, and then what was the next number? No, I did. I did generate again, and it did three again. Okay. Hold on. What was the next number? Did he lie to you? No. One. So that is... Dead East? Dead East. I'll take the Dead East. Yeah, you don't want that. So you get... Okay. So it's 1992, Williams versus Data East.
    85:46
    Ooh, I got one of Ron's. Oh, I might not have. I do have enough. I have three, yes. Do you have Lethal Weapon 3? I do. Shit. Damn it.
    85:56
    It's like the greatest Data East game ever made. I think you got this one in the bag. You could just slam dunk this one. Oh, really? Yeah, you said that the last two weeks. Actually. Actually, hold on. Now, are we doing Bally and Williams the same? Yes. The same company. You have seven titles to choose from. That's why.
    86:18
    And wait, you have Adam's Family, Doctor Who, Fishtails, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Black Rose.
    86:28
    I swear to God, we need to split up Williams and Bally. But remember, part of the hilarity is listening to someone try to sell their game. Well, I have three games. Do any of them have the word nuts in the title or no? Nuts. I actually have five games, but two are so small runs, not even funny. I have my game plan for next week. Already got it done. This is easy. I'm going to crush you. And it's all going to be on the game you love.
    86:55
    Okay. Seems harsh. If we get a guest next week. That means another six-hour edit. Good Lord. Good time. We've got nothing but free time, dude. Yeah, yeah. Let's watch some TV. There's any videos on it? Wait a minute. There's no videos on it anymore. What's going on? MTV sucks. It's a rule.
    87:16
    So are you ready for the next segment? Will we have another segment? What? Would you or would you not buy that? Wow. We're just pulling out all the stops here. I'm pulling it all out.
    87:29
    Put it back in, please. Oh, my. Yes. Oh, my. So are you ready for your first number from eBay? So what we do is we, I, during the weeks between shows, look up these great auctions on eBay. And we tell the consumer, which is you guys listening, would we or would we not buy this?
    87:52
    Are you ready for your first eBay number, gentlemen? 1-3-2-4-7-3-9-4-7. 193. Kings of Wright Target. Yes, sir. Kings of Wright Target.
    88:11
    Only $750. This is Allentown. I love the art. I don't like the game very much. No, I don't like the game, but for this price, it's a good beginner game. It's in really nice shape, actually, too.
    88:24
    Three flippers. They spelled Ware right. Yeah, go figure. Wow. They didn't do W-A-R-E. I'm impressed. in New York City. It's right outside of New York City. Wait a minute. They took the glass off of some of these pictures. Yes. This one's really nice. Oh, my God. This gets the Ron Hallett seal of approval here.
    88:46
    Playfield actually does look nice. I mean, the flippers are screwed up. Yeah. They're like cockeyed for whatever reason. Cockeyed. But $750?
    88:56
    Yeah. Good beginner game. You learn your tap passing skills, and as soon as you learn the tap pass and you hit the right target 30 zillion times, you'll never want to play this again. You got it. Unless we can get a modified ROM of somehow. What they did at that one tournament was they swapped the target between the middle and the side. Oh, okay.
    89:15
    So would you buy that ROM for $7.50? Yes. I would, too. Would you buy that? One day left. One day left, yeah. And you would buy that, okay. If I had enough room and some more crates and a pallet or two, yeah. Excellent.
    89:30
    So here comes the next game. number 132-477-128899. It's a Bally Medusa, and it works great. Mm-hmm. $2,025 with nine bids on it. So someone likes it. Let's see. Bally Medusa Pimble Machine, just serviced and cleaned. New rubbers and ball. Works great. Very fun.
    90:02
    Was this written by Doge? Switchball, much greater. Wow. Let's see. It's not bad. Would you pay $2,025 for this machine with seven days left? No. Not at all. I mean, it looks nice. It looks really nice. Andy, would you?
    90:22
    Not for that kind of change. No. Greatest skill shot ever. Yes, it is. Best skill shot ever. Okay, Ron and Andy, are you ready for the next one? Yep 142-649-155-584 Tom Petty's, what's his favorite game? Free Fall Probably the inspiration for most of his music by the look of the back glass You mean the bottomless women?
    90:56
    Going to the endo? Yeah Yeah, that's one of those, really, they could do that back then, back glasses? I think it's sexist. Actually, yes, this one kind of is. This one is kind of, yeah, this is, I'm looking, is that a future spa, like, next to it?
    91:15
    Yes, it is. Let's see, let's look at this free fall. Is that wear in the center? Yeah. Okay, it's major wear and directly in the center of the play field. Yeah. Worn to the wood, which is somewhat less noticeable because that's actually the color of the art in that area, but it is worn to the wood.
    91:36
    You see the price tag? But it's been cleaned. It's been cleaned with gold, obviously. Orange County Pinball. These are the winners that tried to sell the Raven from two months ago. Remember with the open Raven? Yeah, now this is the Orange County in California, not the excellent Orange County in New York. Orange County Pinballs. Full-service pinball shop. They're the ones that tried to sell that Raven with the, you can see at the bottom. $3,800.
    92:07
    I think they're going to get it. So I assume there are five people watching. Is there like a snicker button? There is a snicker button. A side-eye button, which is like really, I'm confused. I mean, rare. One of 1,300. It's No, we would not buy that No, no, no, no, no, no I will not buy that, Sam, I am Yes Okay, here we go I have two more for you Ticket number 232 637 375 738 You with the Viking $200 Viking needs lots of work barn fly back glass is a little ishy I love the back glass paint or sticker thing is peeling yeah all the lights don't light the sound is quiet and weird Rubber rings are all trash No wires seem to have damage But honestly I know nothing about pinball Or this whiskey So I should expect the glass to be on For all these shots then Yes It all gets better Ron This one's really a good joker Look at the back box The back of the back box The back glass is shot Oh totally shot But look at the back of the back box Oh wow All right, I'm looking at the back of the back box here. I take it, is that like water damage or something? Yeah, what's that hole? What is that hole? Thank you. Yeah, I don't know what that is. It's got a vent thing on it. I don't know what that is. Like an overheating vent thing. Either that or it's a honeycomb or something that's just on it. The best one is the kick out that they put the tape over so no ball can get in that kick out.
    94:09
    Poor Viking. This one was very rough. It deserved better. It deserved a better fate. It did. It deserves a burial pyre. It is a Viking burial. And now we'll go to this one.
    94:23
    182. We would not buy that, of course. 182. 969. 255. 576. Oh. So this is what a Viking is supposed to look like, is what you're saying? Yes, that's what exactly I'm trying to bring you to. Viking pitfall machine needs work. Rare machine.
    94:46
    Everything's rare. You're looking at a used but very restorable condition Viking machine. No major damage or dry rotting.
    94:55
    Play feel needs some touch up. Yes, it does. You went to your English school there. Play feel. And the backlash is a little worn out also for $1,200. But it has a high resale value. You can get up to $1,900 from this on Pinside. That's what it actually says in the listing. So Pinside is being mentioned in the listings now. Yikes. Major wear in the center. Yep. All the inserts are gone.
    95:22
    Cabinet looks okay. Mm-hmm. Back glass shot. Yep. So, no, I probably wouldn't buy it. I agree. And I am done with my segment. Sadly, right below that, I do see a listing for a Fathom. Yes, $54.99.
    95:42
    That's pretty expensive. Yeah. But it's Fathom. It's rare. I have another stars downstairs. Are you collecting stars now? I am collecting stars. A whole lot of them. I want three or four.
    95:59
    Okay. That was a very rare Pete Puma reference there. Yes, it was. Yeah, it is. Yeah. You have that fear for... There you go. What was he in one episode? I think he was in one or two. I don't remember him in anything else, so obviously that didn't work too well. No. But it's very funny.
    96:23
    What about repairs, Rod? What have you done for repairs? Nothing. All my stuff works. Wow. Actually, the key to play field is sitting on the table where it was the last time I mentioned it. I haven't really done anything. Nope. For me at the bar, IJ, I had to swap out the driver board because it kept on resetting when you hit the flippers.
    96:48
    Star Trek, I had a bad opto. Receded the opto, came back. I still have the parts Eric Russell let me borrow in case I replaced the opto, and that's going to really suck because he had to remove the holes. Shit. To replace an opto in that thing.
    97:04
    What else did I do? Couple of flip flippers. What else? That's about it. It's been a pretty light week for repairs, but I'm not looking forward to having to replace the opto.
    97:20
    Oh, and Zach's Tommy, customer comes up to me and goes, the flipper's not working on Tommy. I'm like, really? So, she is still playing, powered on. So, I hit the right flipper. Right flipper works. Left flipper, nothing works. Neither upper or lower. Like, hmm, what's going on there? Open the coin door, and there's the coil, hanging by two wires while it's powered on. There's the screws on the bottom of the cabinet with the coil stop. And the sleeve is completely somewhere else. Mm-hmm. Blew it all apart. Tighten it back up again. Worked fine.
    97:53
    Use Loctite. Yeah, I know. It's Zach's game. I'll have to put it on there next time to light the blue stuff.
    98:01
    Turn it on. Turn it on again. All right. That just made it weird. Yeah. You're very weird, Bruce. Thank you.
    98:12
    So, Butthead, we were on the Slam Kill podcast. What do you think of these guys? They're kind of strange, dude. Yeah, yeah. Especially that Bruce guy. He's, like, weird. He's, like, loud and kind of annoying. but like in a lab he's like a kindred spirit what the hell did you just think about Ed pick up dude I was waxing poetic oh at least you weren't waxing your uh you know damn it baby I'm gonna beat your ass yeah go ahead try it I'll kick you in the balls I mean I believe this is the only way that could have ended yes I should play the Beavis and Buttons music now just end it No, Mike, they used to end the episodes.
    99:02
    So, it's time to pay some bills. Yes, it is. The Silver Ball Saloon in beautiful East Rochester, New York. Come out and check out the site. We have 19 pinball machines, soon to be 20 or 21, hopefully by the time you guys listen to this. Come check us out. We have food, bar, and that's where we're going to be having the Upstate Championships on February 10th. Come on out and watch. it also will be streamed by the Slam Tilt stream yes the Slam Tilt podcast stream will be streaming away on Twitch people have already asked me about that and Ron is great so he's going to have to get his whole rigs ready also www.pinballlifter.com come check us out at Allentown this year we'll be selling our lifters, tilters, helpers we also do mail orders so don't forget that check us out, watch the videos use your brain not your back to move your pinball machines. Pinball star Joe Newhart, he sells Chicago Gaming. He sells Jersey Jack pinball. He sells Houdini pinball from American Pinball. And he also sells a missing one. Oh, Spooky.
    100:07
    And you get a pre-order in for Spooky Pinball's new Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle. That's it, Nightmare Castle. Also, Flipper Fidelity, Mike Pupo, he sells Stern pinball machines. He also sells the best sound systems for your pinball machine. But Fidelity, don't forget, we get no money from these guys. We just go to help them out and push a good product.
    100:31
    And how do they get in touch with us? If you want to get in touch with us, please send your correspondence to SlamTiltPodcast at gmail.com. That's Slam. Yeah, let me try that again. Yes. Oh, it fucked that up.
    100:46
    Gmail.com. Yeah, Gmail.com. You're leaving that one in. No, I'm not. Yes, you are. No, not yet. Nope.
    100:53
    You can send your correspondence to our email address at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. That's slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. We can be found on Facebook, Twitch, YouTube. Just search for Slam Tilt Podcast and we'll be there. Ooh. I like that. Maybe I'll say it that way for now on. Ooh.
    101:19
    Ah. I'd like to thank our guest, Mr. Cushman. Do you have anything you'd like to plug? No, thanks for having me. I'm sure I bumped the listener count up at least one or two. So that's good. So 42. Up to 42. We're up to 42. All right. We'll take it. We need one more like. We're at 199 likes. One more like. 200. Okay. Woo! Don't forget to check us out on iTunes. You can actually put a nice comment. That'd be cool. We're not begging. Begging! Begging? Oh. Yes, we are on iTunes and Stitcher and Google Play, so I've been told. This has been Episode 75, Lethal Weapon 2.
    102:10
    Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Francesco LaRocca. Hold my mind, can you fool me? Can you fly? Hold my mind, hold my mind, you can fool me if you try. Hold my mind, hold my mind, guarantee to keep you alive.