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Part 8: 1978 Gottlieb Close Encounters of the Third Kind Project. Roto Target time!

Pinball Shenanigans·video·40m 30s·analyzed·Oct 21, 2025
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TL;DR

Close Encounters roto wheel troubleshooting and disassembly; Lizzy board controlled lamp fix via tilt relay cleaning.

Summary

A detailed restoration video of the Close Encounters of the Third Kind roto wheel mechanism on a 1978 Gottlieb System One machine. The host troubleshoots controlled lamp issues with a newly installed Lizzy board (a European aftermarket control board), discovers and fixes a dirty tilt relay switch contact, cleans and partially disassembles the roto wheel mechanism, and begins restoration work at home including cleaning components and sourcing missing Allen screws.

Key Claims

  • Lizzy board (made in France/Europe) installed in Close Encounters machine; initially had controlled lamp issues

    high confidence · Host states 'installed this reproduction or aftermarket Lizzy board. It's made in France, I think, but Europe somewhere, and everything's working fine except my controlled lamps.'

  • Ralph (Lizzy board creator/owner) suggested repinning connector or reflashing chip to fix controlled lamp issue

    high confidence · Host notes 'talked to Ralph on Pinside, who is the owner and creator of Lizzy. His first thought was to repin this connector.'

  • Root cause of controlled lamp failure was dirty switch contact on tilt relay, not board defect

    high confidence · Host discovers 'Dirty switch contact on the tilt relay' after systematic voltage testing and relay diagnostics

  • Gottlieb System One machines have integrated rotisserie design allowing easy playfield flipping for maintenance access

    high confidence · Host states 'I love this about Gottlieb System Ones. It's like a built-in rotisserie' and demonstrates the feature

  • Roto wheel mechanism had all target faces intact (unusual condition relative to other examples)

    high confidence · Host notes 'both sets of rotos had broken targets that had been repaired' in videos researched, but his machine had 'all these targets are intact. That is wonderful.'

Notable Quotes

  • “Everything looks good... You know, it was also suggested that I might need to reflash this chip here. So I don't have the tools to do that, but my brother Corey Cook of London Pinball should be able to pull that off for me if needed.”

    Host @ Early in video — Demonstrates troubleshooting approach and reliance on community expertise for specialized tasks

  • “Dirty switch contact on the tilt relay. So if you just remove this little clip here, don't ever drop it or you'll lose it forever.”

    Host @ Mid-video, after voltage testing — Critical diagnosis moment identifying root cause of controlled lamp failure

  • “I love this about Gottlieb System Ones. It's like a built-in rotisserie. Check it out. How cool is that?”

    Host @ Playfield flipping sequence — Appreciation for 1970s design elegance and practical engineering

  • “I didn't bring my Allen keys. So I thought I was done, but I just snooped around over in my stash over there. And you wouldn't freaking believe it. This is a small miracle.”

    Host @ Late in video, roto wheel disassembly — Demonstrates resourcefulness and humor in troubleshooting; reliance on spare parts inventory

  • “Someone has definitely been in here because that should not be bent like that either... I'm going to rewatch the video on how to rebuild these things and see what's going on with these screws.”

    Host @ Solenoid inspection phase — Evidence of prior amateur repair attempts; methodical research-before-action approach

Entities

RalphpersonBigfoot BrucepersonCorey CookpersonLizzy boardproductClose Encounters of the Third KindgameGottlieb System OneproductNW boardproductPinwikiorganizationGoat Shedperson

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Ralph (Lizzy board creator) actively engaged in remote troubleshooting via Pinside forum; Bigfoot Bruce monitoring progress; collaboration with Corey Cook on specialized tasks

    high · Host references communications with Ralph, Bigfoot Bruce following along, and coordination with Corey for chip reflashing capabilities

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Host expresses admiration for 1970s Gottlieb System One integrated rotisserie playfield design as elegant practical engineering

    high · Host states 'I love this about Gottlieb System Ones. It's like a built-in rotisserie' and discusses how it provides maintenance access

  • ?

    operational_signal: Systematic troubleshooting approach: voltage testing → connector inspection → relay diagnostics → switch contact cleaning; demonstrates structured problem-solving

    high · Host methodically tests fuses at cabinet, lamp sockets, checks tilt relay switches with jeweler's screwdriver, isolates dirty contact as root cause

  • ?

    product_concern: Evidence of prior amateur intervention on roto wheel solenoid bracket (missing screws, bent components) indicating previous unsuccessful repair attempts

    high · Host discovers missing Allen screws, bent solenoid bracket, and notes 'Someone has definitely been in here' and mentions 'Someone tried to tighten the spring'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Host maintains inventory of spare pinball parts (Allen screws, springs, coil sleeves) enabling self-sufficiency in restoration work

    high · Multiple references to finding correct parts in 'stash' and 'black hole leftover bin' avoiding purchasing delays

Transcript

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0:03
See if they happen to come on now. Oh, hallelujah. Look what we got here, boys and girls. I'm Mike Dus and this is Pinball Shenanigans.
0:19
[Music] Okay, back at Close Encounters for another go. The uh idea for today is to try and um get this roto wheel working. It's uh it needs a shop job. I haven't shopped one of them up before, but watched a couple videos and uh you know, I think I can pull it off, but I think what I'm going to probably end up doing is bringing the mech home so I can really give it a good thorough job. I just won't be able to do it as well here in the garage. Um, and then if you've been following along, I installed this reproduction or aftermarket Lizzy board. It's a made in uh France, I think, but Europe somewhere. and everything's working fine except my controlled lamps. So, been doing some research. I made a post. I talked to Ralph on Pinside, who is the owner, creator of Lizzy. His first thought was to repin this connector. He says, you know, this board's a little more sensitive to uh voltages and whatnot. Then I showed him a video and he said, "Everything looks good." You know, also it was suggested that I might need to reflash this chip here. So, I don't have the tools to do that, but my brother Corey Cook of London Pinball should be able to pull that off for me for me if needed. And um so repin connector, change this chip. Imagine I would have to do both sides, too. It would be nice if I could just do only the wires that are responsible for um the lamps. I wouldn't really need to do the ones that are responsible for solenoids because they are working fine. So, I could bust out the schematics and just sort of selectively repin that connector if needed because there's a lot of wires and that would be a pain in the butt. Um, so Ralph saw my video. after he saw my video, he said to check the fuse in the uh cabinet and the voltage, which I'm pretty sure I did, but I have to double check that. Oh, and also uh Bigfoot Bruce, who gave me this board, has been following along and um it's got kind of curious like what the uh behavior of these LEDs are when I boot up the machine cuz that's going to be informative. So, we'll have to uh see what lights turn on and in what sequence and what they do and see what information I can gather from that. But if I can get this controlled lamps working with this board, then that would be pretty sweet. If not, then my other nw board seems to be holding up. So, I thought before this was causing the game to kind of spontaneously just either reset or uh crash. It hasn't happened yet, so may not be a board thing, but I'll only be able to tell after I uh kind of put this through the ringer for a bunch of games and see what happens. I also wouldn't mind checking out this board to see if it works. found it in my stash and uh it looks good except in the very bottom it says bad U5. So, may or may not be good. Probably not. What else? Oh, I'm going to probably flip over the playfield, which is a pretty sweet trick you can do on these Gotle System One machines so I can easily access the bottom side. I still have yet to go through all the bulbs and make sure they are all working. So, if you noticed a couple that were out, don't worry. I haven't gone through every bulb yet. I did casually go through a few, but I think there's some out in this area. And oh, also, I brought some blinker bulbs cuz there are a couple here that like to kind of just turn on and off. There's slow blinkers, there's fast blinkers, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's factory because that is right behind this UFO spaceship. And I think that is a cool effect. So, I don't know if they're all working, but I'm going to like there's sort of like four windows here, and maybe these all correspond to those spots. So, I'll make sure all four are working. And uh I think that'll be a cool effect. So, and also I have another lane guide. Actually, this one isn't so bad, but I do have one in case I want to replace it, but that's not too bad. So, may just leave that. Oh, and also I still need to complete my fuse mod for the uh voltage coming into the small transformer, which is just a matter of soldering a wire and onto the fuse clip basically and onto the transformer. So, I'm going to putter around with those things and see if we can take this um roto target home. Okay, I'm going to start with um this Lizzy board and I just want to see what the LEDs do once we power on the machine.
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  • ?

    technology_signal: Controlled lamp circuit failure on Lizzy board installation initially appeared to be board defect but was actually rooted in machine-side tilt relay switch contact degradation

    high · Host systematically tested fuses, voltages, connectors, and chips before isolating problem to dirty tilt relay switch contact requiring cleaning

    • 6:24
    The lid, the little Raspberry Pi has a light. I didn't realize. But uh we're still in wait mode waiting for Raspberry Pi. And then we should get some activity here shortly.
    6:52
    and now we got green. Okay. Don't know what that all means, but um I will report those findings back to Bigfoot Bruce.
    7:04
    And um it did kind of a bit of a weird thing there. What was that?
    7:13
    Oh yeah, check it out. One of our blinker bulbs is not working.
    7:21
    And I'd say these are like fast blinkers. So we'll address that after. But so for now we got a solid green light. And we are booted up. Everything looks good. So let's hit the start button.
    7:47
    Now we're going to need to add a credit. Now hit the start button. All right. The controlled lamps didn't miraculously start working by themselves. Okay. So, moving on for now. Okay. While we're here, let's uh deal with these blinker bulbs. So, two of our UFO windows are blinking. Let's get those other two working as well. Okay. Out of all the bulbs in the back box, literally only one was not working. So, that's impressive. Okay, got to give that a second to warm up. We'll start blinking. There we go. Now, this guy.
    8:42
    So, the two on the left appear to be pretty slow. The two on the right appear to be pretty fast. Let's kind of mix it up. Let's do that. Slow, fast, slow, fast. And now let's see how that looks.
    9:04
    I think that looks pretty awesome. So, we're going to leave it like that. All right, let's double check these fuses and see if that is the issue with the controlled lamps. I'm pretty sure it's this one here. And that is diode test. Let's go to beep. Good.
    9:28
    Save the best for last. Yeah, fuse is fine. Okay, I stuck this NIWM board back in just to see what's going on. See if we have controlled lamps and try and isolate the issue here.
    9:57
    a connector problem or a board problem. Or is it? Look at that. We do not have controlled lamps at the Nw board.
    10:13
    There should be some lights on, right? Let's start a game just to be sure.
    10:23
    Okay, this is possibly good news. It means maybe there is no issue with the uh the Lizzy after all. So, all right, I'm going to uh mess around with this connector. maybe receat it a couple times because it could be something as simple as that connector. And um maybe check out the schematics and see which pins on this connector are responsible for uh the control lamps. Okay, this is what I'm going to try. It's not necessarily the greatest solution, but I want to um see what I can figure out. So, I just found this old wire switch and I'm using it to pry the terminals towards me so that there's little gap between the uh the connector and the terminal. can see that they're not all gapped identically. So, I'm just kind of bending them forward so that it really snugs onto the board when I connect it. So, see if that makes any difference whatsoever. Okay, I got that back on. And I also receated that side. I should probably receat all the bottom connectors too. If this doesn't work, then I will do that next and see what happens here. Don't have high hopes, but you never know.
    12:31
    Nothing. Okay. Okay. I want to show you what I found. These are the connectors for the bottom of the solenoid driver board. And I haven't really checked these guys yet, but so far
    12:54
    Looks pretty decent. But look what I did find. The second pin from the right here is purple. That doesn't look so good. That looks broken. I don't know that that's the uh be all end all solution, but I definitely need to fix that. Okay. Okay, I used my thumbtack method to remove the connector. And you know, sometimes I think jamming in the thumbtack does potentially cause terminals to break, but it's in three pieces. So, time to uh replace that. Okay, that was successful. And you can see the new terminal here. See how close that is to the edge of the connector compared to the number one terminal set a little further back. So that's tension is just kind of lost over the years. So I have no idea what that purple wire does, but we'll uh install that and see what happens. All right, that's all reconnected. Let's try this again.
    14:20
    Don't have the highest hopes, but you never know. Definitely seems like, you know, we're missing a voltage or a fuse is blown. It feels like that. [Music] It's either that or connector.
    14:44
    But uh that is clearly not the solution. Okay. So I just quadruple checked the fuses. But this time I removed them from the fuse clips. They are fine. Then I tested the bridges again just to be safe and they test fine. Tested my two new fuses that I installed. They're fine. And uh then I remembered I have to uh finish doing this fuse mod. So, I just got to cut this brown wire, add it to the fuse clip, add another wire to the lug of the transformer, and I believe that is a 1 amp slowb blow fuse, which reminds me, I should write these values with a Sharpie somewhere. So, that uh it's good for for me and any future owner. Okay, fuse mod complete. I've got all three fuses and I labeled them and got extra protection now. So, happy with that. Okay, next thing we're going to do is check the voltage at the lamp socket itself at any one of the controlled lamp sockets. Let's turn on the machine and uh hopefully nothing explodes with my new fuse mod because there was a second there where I wasn't sure which lug the brown wire went to, but I think I got it right. Let's find out.
    16:17
    Now when I was checking the voltages earlier, I did check recheck all of the voltages coming off the power supply and it was fine. They were all fine. six voltages. You got your minus12,
    16:40
    your five, your it says right there somewhere 60, 43, 8, and 4. So, those are all good, but this is going to be more of an accurate test to see if the voltage is making it all the way to the lamp socket. So, got one lead on the ground plane here,
    17:10
    and we're in DC volts. Now, we're going to check the lamp socket right at the base here. Let's move this somewhere where we can see it. All right, let's try something here. What do we got? You probably can't see that, but it says 1.8. I don't think that's any good. 1.8. Let's try something down here. Oops. Uh 1.8.
    17:53
    So, we're supposed to be getting 6 volts and we are not. So I think we might have to start suspecting the tilt relay. Okay. So Pinwiki says if the fuse tests fine but you're not getting proper voltage at the lamp socket, there are a few switches on the tilt relay that are normally closed. And that is where we need to check next. So T is for tilt. And what we're going to do here, I've got a little jeweler screwdriver and we're going to short these switches closed. Let's see which ones are actually technically closed. So, it looks like three of the four
    18:56
    are quote unquote closed, but one may just not be uh making good contact. So, let's short these two switches together. Uh I see some light going on and off. I don't know what it is, but I don't think Oh, don't think that is our culprit. What is that? Okay. Well, let's try let's move on to this guy here.
    19:27
    That doesn't seem to be doing anything. What about this guy?
    19:34
    That also does not appear to be doing anything. I remember in an earlier video I was kind of messing around in this area and I heard the tiniest little crackle and the tiniest little puff of smoke. I don't know if that has anything to do with anything, but that comes to mind at the moment. So, what about the uh Q relay?
    20:14
    Maybe I should be starting a game here. Let's do that because we know that these lights should be on at the start of the game. So, let's just mess with this again one more time. See if they happen to come on. now. Oh, hallelujah. Look what we got here, boys and girls. I think we found our problem. Dirty switch contact on the tilt relay. So, if you just remove this little clip here, don't ever drop it or you'll lose it forever. But then you can just remove the whole tilt relay and get nice access to it and wedge some like sandpaper in there and give it a cleaning. A lot of people are going to be like, "You should never use sandpaper." And they could be right, but I'm using it. Okay, let's uh power on the machine. We'll keep the nyew in there for now. I'm just going to leave everything propped up because next on the docket, if this actually works, is our roto wheel. So, here goes nothing.
    21:37
    Give it a minute to play its tune and hit it. Okay, now add a credit and start again.
    21:57
    No controlled lips. H. Maybe I did a bad cleaning job. Where is my screwdriver?
    22:10
    Huh? Well, guess I didn't clean it very well. I guess I'll go back to the drawing board. Yeah, it was me. I just did a crappy job cleaning the uh switch contact there. So, give it a little more vigorous work out and we have controlled lamps finally. Okay, out of curiosity, I want to see what this board does an original. And I did swap the game ROM. I did notice the battery is not connected on the one terminal there. And it does look like that chip, that chip, and these two chips have been replaced cuz they have sockets.
    23:05
    And I'm not sure which is U5. Gonna need to pull out the schematics for that because it's not printed on the board. But let's just see what happens. Ready?
    23:24
    Hopefully nothing bad. I don't think it can destroy my driver board or anything.
    23:35
    Well, we didn't get the the boot up tune, did we? We've got displays, though. Okay. Don't you be shortening anything there, doors. Well, let's see if I can uh add a credit. No, I cannot. All right. So, this board is not working. fully, but we got displays at least. So, I'll throw that back in the old pile. Okay, the Lizzy is back installed. Wonder if I need a ground mod on this guy. I'm going to have to find out because I don't have one on there. But for the first time with the Lizzy board installed,
    24:41
    So things are starting to come together. Just started a game here. Let's uh punge a ball for fun.
    25:02
    The sounds on this Lizzy board are a little bit different. Not really any better or worse, but you know, got system one sounds. They're all kind of blah.
    25:20
    All right. Finally. Finally. Finally. Hey, wait. That B switch didn't register. Did you see that? Ah, okay. I gave that a cleaning, but um I'm happy with the Lizzy board. I'm sure that'll be reliable. The power supplies chopped up and the driver board is good and obviously all the cabinet stuff I did. So, I think electronically the machine is sound. So, now I got to deal with this uh roto target. Okay, I just flipped the playfield over. And I love this about Got Leap System Ones. It's like a built-in rotisserie. Check it out. How cool is that? Rests in there perfectly. And I have nice easy access to everything. I wonder if the Lizzy has a nice lamp test for me so I can make sure all these bulbs are working. You know, the one that's built in to the Gotle system. One architecture is garbage. It just like flashes through each bulb so quick and then it moves on. It does it does one bulb each at a time and it doesn't just repeat. It just moves on to like solenoid test after or something. So, you got one crack at it and it is not a good test. So, I think I'm going to check to see if the Lizzy has a proper lamp test. Okay. I don't know if it's me, but uh I turned on the machine, pressed this button, nothing happened. So, I don't know how to access the um the diagnostic menu. So, either way, I'll deal with bulbs. um at some point these two were definitely burned out so I changed those. But now it is time to remove this thing. So got three screws over here
    27:37
    and another three screws here. That should free that up. And then I need to free up this solenoid here. So, these two wires should do that. And then I can sort of disassemble the thing partly, leave this board here, and take the front and take the back home. If that works, we'll see. Okay, I got my screws removed. Now, we can pick this thing up. Kind of like rest it here. And we got a bit of a ground strap here. So, I'll remove these three screws. And maybe I'll be free and clear. Okay, screws removed. This thing looks like it just pops off like that. And now what happens? Hey, look at that. These guys are all intact. On the couple videos I watched on the internet of a couple refurbishments of these things. Both sets of rotos had broken targets that had been repaired. So all these targets are intact. That is wonderful. I know I got to clean up these um springs and contact points here. But all right, we got that. And then I can clean all these rivets.
    29:19
    I don't even know what these guys are, but probably will clean them as well. All right. Uh, see if I can remove this thing now. Okay. Okay. So, I think I just need to remove this thing and then I can leave this board behind and everything else should be able to come home with me. Except I ran into a bit of a roadblock. Um, I didn't bring my Allen keys. So, I thought I was done, but I just snooped around over in my stash over there. And you wouldn't freaking believe it. This is a small miracle. And it actually is the correct size. I cannot believe it. So, roadblock averted. Okay, with these two screws removed, can pull this thing off. And then there was this blue wire barely attached to this here. I guess that's ground with a nut and a screw. So, I just left that like that. And then here we have the mech. Ooh, that fork looks really bent here, eh? That don't look good. There's some adjustments and alignments that are required for this thing to work properly. So, I'm going to have to do my research again. Someone tried to tighten the spring. Probably because pivot points are all super gummy and thought that might help resolve the problem, but uh it didn't. So, we give this a good cleaning and um disassembling and reassembling and adjusting.
    31:24
    And uh see there's a couple adjustment points there too. These slots for the solenoid like controls the throw of the arm. It's a bit of a challenge here slashnightmare. So we'll see if I can survive it. So I'll continue this video back at the ranch. Okay. Before I head out of here, I just um did a couple things. I used brake cleaner removes brake fluid, grease, and oil. I used it on all these contacts here. Um cuz I thought that was the way to go, but I just confirmed with Corey and he says he prefers Brasso to clean these guys up. So, I actually have some at home. So, I'll bring some brasso next time I'm here and do these guys over again. And then I did resolder this guy. So, it's much better now. And then I got in here and cleaned these three switch contacts.
    32:40
    So, it's starting to happen slowly but surely. So, time to pack up and uh head home. Okay, I made it back to the ranch. We got my parts on my bench. Time to give them a cleaning. I think my goal is just to really clean this guy up because uh the Toronto Blue Jays are playing. Actually, I think the game starts at 8:08 and
    33:13
    that is now and it is game 7. If they win, they're going to the World Series. So, it's kind of a big deal. So, I don't care if I miss an inning or two. So, I'm going to focus on this guy. Clean up the target faces. It's just plastic, so I'll use magic eraser. Clean up all these rivets with Brasso. I've checked all these connections and they all seem to be intact so I don't have to deal with any soldering of wires there. And what do we got on the back side here? Uh I'll just focus on cleaning up these springs and contact points here. So pretty simple job. So I'm going to do that now. All right, the job is done. I just took my super clean. I sprayed everything. And then I just uh scrubbed it down with green scrubby basically magic eraser for the faces. And then I just kind of like polished up the metal to some degree. I didn't go crazy on it, but it looks a lot better. And uh yeah, I didn't need to brasso and clean these contact points because they're not contact points. They're just rivets for the targets. So, I didn't have to clean those like I thought initially. But I did clean up these springs and little feet. I sprayed them thoroughly with Super Clean and then sort of worked it in, washed it all out, rinsed it all out with water. And then I used a little compressed air to get rid of any remaining water. So, as long as the tension on these springs are good and then it should not be a problem. I imagine they are available to purchase if needed, probably from a place like Pinball Resource, but I'm hoping that uh they are going to be okay. So, it's 8:20 now. Still got some time. This piece is extremely gunky.
    35:41
    at least let's give this a clean next. All right, that guy is cleaned up. And I think maybe I'll tackle the solenoid. I think it's just these four screws and I should be able [Music] to remove
    36:06
    Why is there uh no screws here? That don't seem right. And also missing a screw here.
    36:19
    So that's a little fishy. Someone has definitely been in here because that should not be bent like that either. And I think that this little piece here, see, you got the adjustment there for the like the slots going horizontally. I feel like that's supposed to be pretty much perpendicular. It's definitely not. So, I'm going to rewatch the uh video on how to rebuild these things and see what's going on with these screws. Should be something like that, which I should have those um Allen screws. But if I can at least clean this up,
    37:14
    that would be a good start. All right, I got the solenoid bracket free.
    37:21
    And it's definitely uh in need of a cleaning. Okay, I got these parts cleaned up pretty good.
    37:34
    It's pretty shiny. This plunger used a toothbrush to get in there. And even the coil, like the wrapper was pretty filthy. still looks filthy, but it's a lot better than it was. And I didn't have a coil sleeve of the same length, so I just cleaned up this one as good as I could. And I even tried to like file the inside just a little bit because the sleeve is a little bit tight, but it goes in there pretty good. So, that should not be a problem. It is 8:49 and I think I got about 15 minutes before my laundry is done. So, should be able to get this reassembled and then we'll uh take a break. All right. Shout out to uh the goat shed. Those were the videos I watched. They had two different videos on uh dealing with this roto target. And it is official. I am missing the two Allen screws. But I have a little black hole leftover bin here. And look what I found. I should be able to steal a couple of those. And this guy won't mind one bit. I do think that this uh goat shed video that I've been watching is a close encounters of the third kind, but possibly the electromechanical version. So, there could be some slight variations, but I'm pretty sure that I'm good to install these two extra Allen screws. And if they are in the way of anything when I reassemble stuff, then I'll just remove them. But there is the finished product. My plunger moves in nice and freely. No issues there.
    39:42
    I might be tempted to make these wires a little bit longer cuz they are pretty short. So I may do that, but pretty happy with that. add that to the done pile and then uh tomorrow we'll tackle this monstrosity. Ellie, isn't this exciting?
    40:08
    Oh. Oh. Scared the crap out of Ellie. All right. Blue Jays are going to the World Series. For the first time in 32 years, the Toronto Blue Jays are going to the World Series.