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The Pinball Show Ep 62: In Your Head

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 31m·analyzed·May 31, 2021
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TL;DR

The Mandalorian sells out; industry updates; honeymoon phase discussion.

Summary

The Pinball Show Episode 62 discusses recent industry updates including The Mandalorian's strong sales performance and production rollout, Spooky's teased new game, Haggis Pinball's sold-out Mermaid Fathom editions, and American Pinball's playfield quality. Hosts Zachary and Joe Fox explore the 'honeymoon phase' concept for new pinball games, with Joe sharing his evolution from exclusive LE buyer to Pro buyer focusing on tournament play and customization.

Key Claims

  • The Mandalorian LE sales sold out before the game was even announced

    high confidence · Joe Fox discussing Mandalorian sales; presented as observed market fact

  • Secondary market Mandalorian prices are in the $3,000-$4,000 profit range

    high confidence · Joe Fox citing secondary market prices; corroborated by mention of distributors selling above MSRP

  • Stern's first batch of Mandalorian Pros hit production line this week with shipments expected by week's end

    high confidence · Craig Bobby's Stern News Update; official production timeline

  • Haggis Pinball has sold out of all 250 Mermaid Fathom Edition units

    high confidence · Dr. John's Spooky/Indie News Update; confirmed sellout

  • Joe Fox received 42 Mandalorian units directly from Stern

    high confidence · Joe Fox directly stating his inventory received

  • Joe Fox has been hosting almost every tournament in Delaware since last June

    high confidence · Joe Fox discussing tournament hosting; personal claim

  • Stranger Things code was too light at initial release, Joe sold it initially then repurchased after code improvements

    high confidence · Joe Fox discussing personal game ownership history and code evolution

  • Joe Fox has gone through 200+ games in his collecting career

    high confidence · Joe Fox self-reporting collection size; used to explain decreased excitement for new titles

  • Godzilla is coming to Stern sometime in the fall, most likely October

    medium confidence · Craig Bobby's news update; stated as rumored/expected timing

  • Avengers Infinity Quest Infinity Gem Shooter Rods were delayed but finally shipped last week

    high confidence · Craig Bobby reporting deliveries completed with customer photos on Pinside

Notable Quotes

  • “I just don't get it. It's a Star Wars property, so of course it's high. However, the show is only two seasons old... you lock into this title not really having a true feel for what that show was encompassing or what fan base that could have.”

    Joe Fox @ Pre-Mandalorian launch discussion — Joe's initial skepticism about Mandalorian's market viability before seeing actual demand

  • “I can tell you that I don't have the same amount of excitement for this as I have for titles in the past... Maybe I'm just getting old and grouchy.”

    Joe Fox @ Mid-episode — Personal reflection on collector fatigue despite massive Mandalorian sales success

  • “I do not own one LE as of right now. That makes me die a little bit inside.”

    Zachary @ Collecting philosophy discussion — Host's reaction to Joe's shift away from premium/LE purchasing toward Pro models

  • “You know, the good thing is, is that I will go up to any pinball machine, even Roadshow, that I can't stand, and I will still push that start button because it still is pinball and I still love pinball, period.”

    Zachary @ Subjectivity of pinball preferences — Philosophy statement about pinball appreciation transcending individual game preferences

  • “How long is said honeymoon phase? Email us at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com or post on our episode post on Facebook, The Pinball Network.”

    Zachary @ Mid-episode call-to-action — Community engagement prompt on listener experience with new game ownership satisfaction

  • “I would say it's under that. Yeah, but to go with you on that, maybe the honeymoon phase can be a negative thing too... You don't think you like it, but you haven't really allowed for that honeymoon phase to wear off.”

    Zachary @ Honeymoon phase discussion — Introduces concept that honeymoon phase can mask initial dislike (e.g., Guardians of the Galaxy example)

  • “I have become a pro buyer for multiple reasons, right? So cost, in theory, you can get more games for your dollar amount, right? If it's $10,000, I'm rounding. Two pros versus one LE.”

Entities

Joe FoxpersonZacharypersonThe MandaloriangameStern PinballcompanyCraig BobbypersonDr. JohnpersonKen RudbergpersonSpooky PinballcompanyHaggis Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Joe Fox has transitioned from exclusive LE buyer to Pro-focused buyer due to cost efficiency (two Pros vs. one LE at $10k pricing), larger resale market, and fewer mechanical/gameplay detractions.

    high · Joe Fox: 'I have become a pro buyer for multiple reasons... If it's $10,000, I'm rounding. Two pros versus one LE... Your resale market, I think, has a bigger buyer base when you want to resell a pro than an LE'

  • ?

    event_signal: Joe Fox hosting almost every tournament in Delaware since June; consensus from competitive players is that Premium/LE features don't enhance gameplay.

    high · Joe Fox: 'since last June, have been hosting almost every tournament... The consensus typically is, from a gameplay perspective, is that the premium LEs bring a lot of bling, but they don't necessarily bring it to gameplay'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts discussing 'honeymoon phase' duration for new games; identifying that initial excitement may mask problems or be overstated; community input solicited on typical duration.

    high · Zachary: 'How long is said honeymoon phase? Email us at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com...' Joe proposes: 'I'm going to put the number, listener, at 100 games'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Mandalorian was placed in production/design during Season 1 despite show being only 2 seasons old at time of game announcement, indicating IP licensing locked in early in show's run.

    medium · Joe Fox: 'The show is only two seasons old. They would have had to put this game in production, or at least in a design standpoint, pretty much in the middle of season one'

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Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:11
The Pinball Network is online. Launching The Pinball Show. On The Pinball Show this week, we discuss Father's Day coming early. Seeing your friends topless. Mandalorian shipping updates. How long is the honeymoon period? Another pinball-ish reveal-ish. Charlie teases. Mermaid teases. And collective teases. Pinball market trends. And much, much more. The train is leaving, so don't be left at the station as the Pinball Show Express keeps chugging along. Choo-choo.
0:56
Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle. It's time for the Pinball Show. It's pinball with personality. In your head, in your head, hey, I call ya.
1:13
In your head, in your head. Stop it, stop it, stop it, hey, hey. Hello again to all of you beautiful and gorgeous people out there. All of you. Even you. Yes, even you. Episode 62 of the Pinball Show is now on, not live, live. I guess they're listening to it. This week's co-host is a special one. A returning co-host. That means they're really good. It's one of my best buds. But last time when I said that, he took offense and it was a whole weird thing, but whatever. We've gotten over that now.
1:54
There he is right now. Ladies and gentlemen, it's one of the kindest, most sweetest hearts in pinball. It is Delaware's very own Joe Fox. Joe.

Joe Fox @ Pro vs. LE discussion — Economic rationale for Joe's shift from LE exclusivity to Pro-focused strategy

  • “Jurassic Park Premium LE is a great show, right? It's awesome to see the dinosaur grab the ball... But at the end of the day, you probably get a 40-second delay from that ball coming back into play when that dinosaur is eating it.”

    Joe Fox @ LE feature critique — Specific gameplay complaint about Premium/LE features creating mechanical delays that detract from play

    • American Pinball
    company
    The Hobbitgame
    Godzillagame
    Stranger Thingsgame
    Guardians of the Galaxygame
    The Shadowgame
    Roadshowgame
    Jurassic Parkgame
    Avengers Infinity Questgame
    The Pinball Networkorganization
    Art of Pinballcompany

    market_signal: The Mandalorian LE sold out before official announcement; secondary market prices $3-4K above MSRP; distributors selling above MSRP via lottery/raffle.

    high · Joe Fox: 'LE sales were sold out before it was announced and second-hand sales already in the $3,000, $4,000 profit range and distributors selling them on raffle situations or lottery situations or well above MSRP'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Potential concern raised about Stern's design leadership and decision-making authority (reference to 'Zombie Yeti' as art department head), though not explicitly confirmed in this episode.

    low · Indirect reference in Joe's criticism of Mandalorian reveal stream pacing and Dwight Sullivan's rules presentation style

  • ?

    announcement: Godzilla (Keith Elwin designer) expected fall 2021, likely October, positioning for Christmas rush.

    medium · Craig Bobby: 'Keith Elwin's much-rumored Godzilla title is coming sometime in the fall, most likely sometime in October, just in time for the Christmas rush'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Multiple manufacturers experiencing production delays; Stern managing better than competitors but still showing delays on accessories and toppers.

    high · Craig Bobby: 'While the other pinball manufacturers continue to struggle to even get games to market or build the ones they have orders for, Stern continues to show the pinball world once again what it does best'

  • ?

    product_strategy: American Pinball playfield quality performing well with only minor dimpling; owners/operators extremely happy with playfield durability.

    high · Brian Costner (American Pinball update): 'I reached out to some owners and operators... They say that everything is doing great. They have some minor dimpling, but no major issues... Everyone I've talked to has been extremely happy with the quality'

  • ?

    product_concern: Premium/LE feature implementation (e.g., Jurassic Park dinosaur animation) creates 40-second mechanical delays that detract from gameplay after initial novelty wears off.

    high · Joe Fox: 'Jurassic Park Premium LE is a great show... But at the end of the day, you probably get a 40-second delay from that ball coming back into play when that dinosaur is eating it. And to me, that becomes a detraction after the first 10 or 15 times'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Spooky Pinball teasing new game with cabinet art reveals; theme speculation ongoing; Evil Dead poster teases but licensing unlikely due to cost.

    medium · Dr. John: 'So news out of Spooky is tease, tease, tease... Charlie's also posted a nice picture of himself standing next to the Evil Dead movie poster. Again, I think it's just a tease and I doubt very much that they have got this licence because of the costs involved'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Joe Fox experiencing collector fatigue after 200+ games; enthusiasm for new releases has diminished despite significant market demand.

    high · Joe Fox: 'I can tell you I don't have the same amount of excitement for this as I have for titles in the past... Maybe I'm just getting old and grouchy... at this point I've gone through 200-plus games. there's nothing really left that I'm looking for'

    • 2:05
    Zachary, how are we? How are you doing? I'm good. How are you? Did you miss me? I talked to you yesterday. I know. Did you miss me? I missed you so much.
    2:17
    Hey, before we get started, I was just going over this contract you made me sign this morning again. is this right I have to mention flipping out at least 63 times in this episode I don't think it said 63 uh maybe it's a 12 my glasses on whatever I hope this isn't one of those uh troll episodes you trapped me into keyboard commando part two return of the fox it's not going to be one of those did you enjoy that episode uh it was a bit cringeworthy at times and I had to stop it and start it again a couple of times just to kind of clear my, almost like a sorbet on my palate. I love that you're so kind here because if I remember correctly, you contacted me on the phone as we speak every day, every other day, and you said, got to say, probably the worst podcast you've ever done.
    3:15
    I might have said that, but I've had some time to maybe reflect on it over the last five weeks, four weeks, however long it's been. I thought it was a pivotal moment in pinball podcasting history, but it did smooth out. I mean, after the back and forth, the adversarial part of it got over, and when you started talking about the regular, when you were starting the episode itself, it started to align more. Yeah, I was bored at that point. The first hour was tough, and I think I had, what did I tell you, Two or three different people message me, quote-unquote complaining as well or making their negative comments. I get those as well. We had Ryan see on two weeks ago. Yep. Always enjoy Ryan. Yep. I always get filthy with him. I don't know why. He just brings it out. He brings the filth out. It's the Australian way of life, I think. Yeah. So it's been a hell of a week, Joe Fox. It's been a hell of a week. Yeah. For you, maybe. Man. I wish the listener was in your shoes of all the behind-the-scenes stuff that I vent to you about.
    4:26
    Wow. Yeah, I'm the psychiatrist to the psychiatrist, right? You know, I think that works. Do you ever get burdened by the fun that I go through each and every week? No. In fact, I think I tell you that you should probably just quit because there's no sense to it. You do give that advice regularly. Yes, the drama sometimes doesn't weigh out the benefits for sure. but I'm honest with you. I tell you when I believe you're wrong. It's not a one-sided couch session, for lack of better terms. I don't just stroke you and assume that you're right with everything. That's the kind of couch I'm talking about.
    4:59
    It's a champagne room couch. I hope it's leather. Clean easy. It's been a hell of a week, listener. It's been fun. It has been fun, and I love being here doing this with you fine people, except for you out there. You know who you are. I don't even know who that's directed towards. There's a list.
    5:20
    What's a longer list, Zach? The Toy Story interested list? Yeah. Or the Keyboard Commando troll list?
    5:31
    That's a pretty good battle because both are pretty long, and they keep growing, both of them. By the day. It's been a hell of a week. You know, Father's Day is a month from now. We've got about a month, don't we? Give or take. Yep. And typically, I don't know if Nicole, my wife, is listening. Sorry, sweetie. Typically, I... She's not. Don't worry. Absolutely, she's not. That's why I'm saying it.
    5:56
    Typically, gifts on Father's Day, eh. A Greg Bone B+. I mean, eh. Really, they're a C-D. But don't get the best gifts for Father's Day. But not 2021. No, no, no, no. Listener, I received my Father's Day gift early I was down here working some flipping out pinball magic And I see this random truck driving down my driveway I thought they were coming again to take a picture by my above ground swimming pool But no, they weren't It was two fellas delivering something for me on Father's Day A trampoline We already have one of those If you've got the above ground pool that looks tacky, you've got to have the trampoline. We've got that. But I thought, I'm missing something. A swing set. We've got one of those too. All we need is a clothesline and a truck camper shell. Another above ground pool. Two of them. So I received the hottest trend right now in streaming and in life. My wife and kids purchased me a hot tub. Wow. Fox, I actually got a good gift. Whoa. A hot tub. No tie this year. No, no. No socks that I won't wear. A hot tub. I like hot tubs. That's awesome. No, I don't like, it's kind of like how some people feel about kids. Love my kids. Not so much on other people's kids.
    7:32
    You know, some people feel like that. I love all kids. But, you know what? I'm kind of like that with dogs. They can be cute. I don't like other people's dogs. I like my own. But no, I don't like other people's hot tubs. Do you sit in public hot tubs, Foxy? No, absolutely not. Don't lie. Listen, I don't have a body for a hot tub. Not at all. No slide in there? Nope. I mean, maybe on vacation and a couple tequilas, and maybe I get in one that's kind of like at the hotel. But once other people show up, it's time to go to bed. So I got a hot tub and I'm really excited about it I don't want to sit in public hot tub Would you sit in a hot tub with me? No For real? No A slight graze of our toes together?
    8:19
    No See this is why I can't Because the thought process is just Just fly off the map here I don't know I don't even know if I want to go in the above ground pool with you I've never seen you shirtless Thank you Thank God for that Why not? There's nothing more awkward than seeing one of your best buddy's boobs for the first time.
    8:42
    It's like a guessing game. Do they have chest hair? Do they not? Do they have a weird-ass mole by their nipple?
    8:48
    Listener out there, have you seen your best friend topless? Send the pictures to thepinballnetwork at gmail.com. I look okay shirtless. I look all right. Neither of us are carrying a six-pack, that's for sure. Speak for yourself. All right, Joe Fox, you want to talk about some pinball news? Absolutely. I think Craig Bobby's back. I think Dr. John got off his ass. I think he's back. Our tried and true Ken Rudberg is always there, willing to lend an open voice. Didn't I just see Ken Rudberg got a new game for free? Yeah, did you see that soccer? Yeah, I've never gotten a game for free. No shit. That's a good game. That's a fun game. Yeah, it's not terrible. I like the spinner shot on that game. Any game that is for free can't be that bad. Except for Roadshow. Somebody gave me Roadshow. Stop. You and your Roadshow hate is just uncalled for. Just one of those things. I can't tolerate it.
    9:49
    Hater. It's time for TPN Industry News. Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. Lior from the Art of Pinball is back at it, this time creating another must-have mod for The Hobbit. He's created new sculpts for the pop-up creatures in flexible resin. He says they are much beefier and able to hold up to the high impact that these targets take. I've seen them and they are a vast improvement over the targets that came with the game originally. As usual, these will be a limited run and are available for pre-order now, with shipping between October and December. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg.
    10:34
    Hello and welcome to the Pinball Show's Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. Well, not much Stern news to report this week, everyone, as we are in that smoke-em-if-you-got-em phase, now after that crazy and hectic launch week of Disney's The Mandalorian. And while the other pinball manufacturers continue to struggle to even get games to market or build the ones they have orders for, Stern continues to show the pinball world once again what it does best namely design, build and actually release licensed games that work and are fun to play. The initial launch batch of orders are now in with pros hitting the Stern production line this week and kicking out to the lucky first group of mostly operators by this week's end. Now that means the first location based Mandalorian pinball stream should be hitting Twitch by the weekend or sometime the following week. And speaking of fun to play, after many unknown delays, the Avengers Infinity Quest Infinity Gem Shooter Rods finally made their way to excited customers last week. Images of RGB gem-lit delight could be seen popping up from excited Avengers Infinity Quest owners all over Pinside. So what comes next for Stern Pinball? Well, it looks like Keith Elwin's much-rumored Godzilla title is coming sometime in the fall, most likely sometime in October, just in time for the Christmas rush. But with the long summer months ahead, I wouldn't be surprised if we might see a surprise announcement being made by Stern between now and then. Maybe the long-awaited internet connectivity feature, or maybe even a surprise release? And I'm sure they could sell a few hundred, or maybe a few thousand, Mandalorian toppers right about now. But we shall have to wait and see. Well, that's all for this week. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side. Hi and welcome to this week's SHIT update with Dr John on the Pinball Show. So news out of Spooky is tease, tease, tease. So far you've had a very microscopic look at the cabinet art, I assume, of the new Spooky game. That's due out probably in the next few weeks. It doesn't show much but there's been lots of speculations on what it could be. Charlie's also posted a nice picture of himself standing next to the Evil Dead movie poster Again, I think it's just a tease and I doubt very much that they have got this licence because of the costs involved But who knows Haggis announced that they have sold out of their Mermaid editions Which means all 250 Fathom Mermaid Edition pinballs will be ready to roll beginning in July best of luck to Damien in the build and best of luck to Martin and the team in all the Fathom 2.0 code updates that's it for this week we'll catch you next week hey this is Kaz with a quick American Pinball update there's been a lot of talk recently about playfield issues and pinball so I reached out to some owners and operators of American Pinball Games and just want to check and see how their playfields are holding up they say that everything is doing great They have some minor dimpling, but no major issues with the American pinball playfields. Everyone I've talked to has been extremely happy with the quality of the playfields. Also, everyone is looking forward to the new games that are going to be released later this year. There should be an announcement very soon of the new American pinball game. I hope everybody has a great week and has fun playing pinball. For the Pinball Show, this is Brian Costner.
    14:16
    We'll kick it off with the king here, Stern Pinball. where are the Mandalorian pins? Where they at Joe? You hiding them? Up there in D.E.? Yeah I just got my shipment yesterday. 42 of them. Direct from Stern. Direct from Stern? No. I don't The production schedules of everybody has got me so confused over the last I want to say I guess since the pandemic so I guess it makes some sense I still can't comprehend why if you have production issues and you're behind on so many games,
    14:52
    why can't you just skip a cycle? What do you mean? Why announce the Mandalorian? Is it a contract issue? Is it a, you know, do we need to be back in the news issue? I don't understand from these guys, all of them. If you can't make the games on a normal production schedule, why announce them? Because they didn't get log jammed. But they already are log jammed, according to what I can see. Yeah. I mean, they haven't came out with an Elvira premium since last July. Yeah, they just ran Elvira last July. Yeah, I saw them trickling out now. A little bit. Parts issue still delayed it a bit. I guess. I just, when they came out with the reveal, we had to wait longer for the stream than we typically do. Then we had to, it feels like we're waiting an extra week or so to see some of the first pros roll off that line. Remember the production photos that a lot of people would see on past previous titles? You'd see them. As an update listener, we do know that hoping to see some of the Mandalorian pros roll out this week or early next. So they're here, but they're getting closer. We'll have to wait and see. Oh, perfectly said. Did you purchase a Mando? I have a Mando. Yes, I have one ordered. Act like I don't know. I know, right? Act like it's not through you. Are you excited about Mando? What's your first initial impressions about this game? Okay, so you and I spoke weeks before the reveal, and I kept saying to you, if these rumors are true, I just don't get it. It's a Star Wars property, so of course it's high. Bonerific, yeah. However, the show is only two seasons old. They would have had to put this game in production, or at least in a design standpoint, pretty much in the middle of season one, right? Like if their normal design schedule is a year, maybe the end of season one, and you lock into this title not really having a true feel for what that show was encompassing or what fan base that could have. You're right. However, looks like I'm completely wrong because it has gone through the roof and LE sales were sold out before it was announced and second-hand sales already in the $3,000, $4,000 profit range and distributors selling them on raffle situations or lottery situations or well above MSRP.
    17:24
    So I guess I'm completely wrong. I can tell you that I don't have the same amount of excitement for this as I have for titles in the past. What the hell is wrong with you? I don't know. I like the show. I watched both seasons of it religiously and, you know, can't wait for the next one. But I just didn't get the feeling of excitement on this one. You're still itching for that Duran Duran pin or what?
    17:51
    Rio Multibowl. No, I don't know. Maybe I'm just getting old and grouchy. Get off my lawn. Yeah. I can tell you I've got a few guys that are friends of mine that are newer in the hobby by, you know, maybe a year, year and a half. Did they pass the Dave Fix test? Yeah, and their excitement levels for, like, picking up any game at this point is so high. And I kind of forgot what that was like because at this point, you know, not to sound pretentious, but I've gone through 200-plus games. Wow. and there's nothing really left that I'm looking for. Not going to surprise you. Right. So maybe that's why my excitement level is so low. We call that jaded. Yeah, I don't think it's jaded. I'm not mad at anybody. I just kind of got my collection pretty much fine-tuned to what I want it to be. The shadow. Yeah, shadow. It lasted a week. You don't think this is going to knock your socks off? I watched the stream for the first half hour. I haven't gone back to the VOD to truly see it. So they haven't played the game at that point yet. Well, I know. That's kind of what turned me off. And I like Dwight a lot. And I know he's super excited when he does these rules. And he wants to show everybody what he's done. It just sometimes can become a little overkill. You know, mix in a little gameplay earlier maybe and keep some. But this is me, right? By all means, I'm not the most accurate person in the world. It doesn't mean I'm right and everybody else is wrong. But for me, it got a little bit turn-me-off. Do you like the white coat in general? I do. With the exception of Star Wars, I like white games. And I think this doesn't feel like a Star Wars from what I can see, but does not feel also like the simplicity of what Munsters is. So it should be a good mix. You liked Game of Thrones, if I remember correctly. I love Game of Thrones. Okay, so it feels a little bit like that code-wise. You're still holding that excitement that I don't have any longer for newer titles. I don't like this on everything for the most part. I guess the excitement level drops down too sometimes when you know it's going to be a game that you'll always be able to get. There will be no shortage of Mandalorians in the wild and or from collection standpoints. But I just want to play it now. Well, that's the fun part. As soon as you get it. But my mind will change for sure when the box comes here, right? It will be the excitement. I'll run down, get it set up, and I'll play my first couple games. And I'll tell everybody that it's a great game and I feel like it shoots well. And then week two or week three will come, and that will be the kind of true test. Do I still want to go downstairs and press the start button, or is it driving me nuts for some reason? I wonder. This is a good topic. People talk about the honeymoon phase in pinball. Listener, you know what I'm talking about. No, you can't judge it now. It's just a honeymoon phase. How long is said honeymoon phase? Email us at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com or post on our episode post on Facebook, The Pinball Network. I wonder how long that is. Does it go by time? Does it go by plays? And if so, how many? How long? Mine lasts depending on how much I play it. Okay, so we're going plays. Yeah, I would think if you can't, I don't think it could be a defined one or the other because for you, you may play the game 50 times in a week and I may play it 150 times in a week. So there's definitely a honeymoon phase for every game. How many games would you guess it to be, the honeymoon phase, where you can clearly and definitively know if the lore has wore off?
    21:41
    Do you understand the code enough to not poo-poo it before you really get it? Well, see, that there in code is a problem to make that decision. So, for example, Stranger Things. I did not keep that game for a month initially. Bullshit! Code was so light at the time when it first came out that I disliked the game. As the code has grown, I could see people talking about it more and more and more. I gave it another try. I bought another one, and I will tell you I enjoy it 150 times better than I did when I first played it. Okay. Guardians of the Galaxy is another game like that.
    22:22
    I own four of them. It took me four times to absolutely fall in love with that game to the point where now I cannot stop playing it still when I go down the basement. And what do you think it was?
    22:33
    Is it just code, or is there something more? I can tell you Guardians frustrated me a lot in the beginning. I had the le and the premium versions at first and I didn't think the arms blocked the shot God with we argue about this all the time But the more I play the pro I realized that maybe they did even maybe it was Psychologically they blocked the shots because I was thinking about them It didn remind you of waking in the middle of the night with your wife and her arms reaching out for your throat No, not at all. Just must have been a me thing.
    23:08
    Yeah, well, you know, mine does things more subtle like poisons and coisine. Go on, taste this delicious steak that I know you love. That's a nice, there's an odd seasoning you put on there. It's new. It's from, what's that company called? The Acme. That's why I keep coughing up blood every day.
    23:30
    So I think it's, number one, it's very subjective. You know, not to put it in a conversation like pinball art, but it's very subjective. For example, you love the shadow. Love it. You've made that known for years. I can't stand the shadow. I just can't get into it. Didn't get it. It wasn't for me, but that's okay because that's why there's 3,000 games that have been made over the last, however, 40, 50 years is because there are things that you're going to like that I'm not, things I'm going to like that you're not, and things we're going to agree with. I wish you would have picked a different pinball machine, but yeah, I get your point. Well, okay, The Hobbit. There you go. It's all subjective. You know, the good thing is, is that I will go up to any pinball machine, even Roadshow, that I can't stand, and I will still push that start button because it still is pinball and I still love pinball, period. And you'll still get an erection when you hear, it's Friday.
    24:28
    Oh, that's part of the reason I can't stand it so much. But the bottom line is that just doesn't mean I don't want to own the game, right? I'll play it if it's on location, if it's at your house, a buddy's house. I'll play it. I'm just not going to own it. But you won't sit in a hot tub with me. Noted. I won't sit in a hot tub with you. That's fine. I'm going to put the number, listener, at 100 games. Fair enough. Seems a little soon, but I think 100 full games, not the restart that I do. Guilty.
    25:01
    100 full games, your honeymoon, you then know what it's like to live with that person. Yeah, 100. I mean, we can see from Pinside a lot of times or Facebook market, you know, when guys are selling games that, you know, that's not probably the average for most people. Yeah. You know, I seem to think that would probably be under 50 games where you'll see how many people that, you know, 25 plays, 29 plays, 47 plays, just not my cup of tea, you know, move on from games. I would say it's under that. Yeah, but to go with you on that, maybe the honeymoon phase can be a negative thing too, like it was for you in Guardians. It can be. You don't think you like it, but you haven't really allowed for that honeymoon phase to wear off. I don't know if people get married out of dislike, hoping that after the honeymoon phase it will be positive, but you get my drift. Yeah. You know, that's a topic for me that's more along the lines of what I've changed my mentality, and you're aware of this, is that I was an exclusive LE buyer. Yes, elitist. And I do not own one LE as of right now. That makes me die a little bit inside. Well, you know, I kind of got to the point with me by saying, well, first of all, you also know, for those that don't, you know, we have a big tournament scene in Delaware. And I, since last June, have been hosting almost every tournament up until this month. The only way for you to make a tournament, though, to be fair, is for the entire population of Delaware to show up, I think, right? Well, yeah. Hey! Well, yeah, 40 people come. It's a small state. And the consensus typically is, from a gameplay perspective, is that the premium LEs bring a lot of bling, but they don't necessarily bring it to gameplay.
    26:52
    That's true. It actually detracts from gameplay in a lot of ways. Wow. Jurassic Park Premium LE is a great show, right? It's awesome to see the dinosaur grab the ball and swing it around and roar and it interacts with the video on it. But at the end of the day, you probably get a 40-second delay from that ball coming back into play when that dinosaur is eating it. And to me, that becomes a detraction after the first 10 or 15 times that you see it. He's flipped through it anyway. Yep, exactly.
    27:30
    That's a good point. So you've become very much a pro buyer. I have become a pro buyer for multiple reasons, right? So cost, in theory, you can get more games for your dollar amount, right? If it's $10,000, I'm rounding. Two pros versus one LE. Your resale market, I think, has a bigger buyer base when you want to resell a pro than an LE. Floor is not as deep, yep. Now, the downside to that is they make probably the most amount of pros than either version when it comes to actual production. So there's going to be more of them out there. But we know there's more pro buyers than there are premium LE. Just for the sheer fact of money. I still love that you have a little razzle-dazzle in you, Joe Fox. You still like the powder coat. You still like some of the mods. I do. I like some of the mods. I do. I have my basic layout. Every time I get a new game that I'm ready to go, I usually keep in stock, for lack of better words, a shaker motor and a set of upgraded speakers for the head and Invisiglass slash Voodoo and an external volume control. Everything that I know I'm going to get, I'm starting to pick out my powder coat colors before the game arrives. That's fun. It's a fun process. I have a set of armor that I can just drop off and rotate, and when it gets done, then I can place it on there instead of taking everything off the game that's sitting there. Well, and look, in some ways, Joe Fox, I agree with you because there's something about making a pro or a premium upgraded like that unique, special, and one-of-a-kind.
    29:03
    Yeah. There really is. Maybe I don't like the light blue powder coat of a Led Zeppelin LE, and I'd rather do a gray or silver sparkle. Maybe, you know, I don't like the purple of Stranger Things. I'd rather do, you know, a blue or something like that. What was the last one you powder-coated? I thought, oh, that is slick. That was the Stranger Things Premium that I changed up. Oh, it's Stranger Things Premium. Was that kind of like, it was purple sparkle, but it wasn't deep purple? It was perfect. What was that Avengers? I think you did an Avengers in a blue. Yeah, I did the Avengers in like a, I try to do everything to match the cabinets. I bring my wife involved because I'm half colorblind as it is, and I need a woman's touch to make sure everything matches up. What is it with all my friends being colorblind? You know, Schmitty's colorblind too. Maybe it has something to do. Maybe it's you. Oh.
    29:56
    I've been blamed of a lot of things, Joe Fox. Well, why stop now? That's right. I'm the reason for colorblindness in the world. That's right. So we get your flair, a little style here and there. And we know that as a collector, many of us will go through phases. Nobody talks about the phases of collecting pinball. You go through these little spurts. Ooh, I just want System 11. That's all I want. No, I just want to play a lot, so I'm going to go newer Sterns and JJPs. It's just we all go through these phases. Yep. I like it. Oh, speaking of bling, though, Mandalorian Accessories. We talked about it and hit on it a little bit last week. Mandalorian Accessories, I just wanted to remind everyone that at the time of hearing this, if you're listening on a Monday, We have not been given pricing on Mandalorian accessories. Thus, we can't send out invoices or purchase orders for Mandalorian accessories quite yet. But for those of you on our list, we do have an invoice in our system. And once we get pricing, we will send those out. So kind of a guessing game right now. I don't know, again, the delay there. We know that Topper, we're not going to hear about this Topper, the pricing or seeing it or anything for probably a little bit longer. They said August, I believe. So that's going to be a little bit more of a wait. But Mandalorian accessories, you may hear as early as this week the pricing on that. I don't anticipate them being that drastically different, if different at all. Do you think that's a material supply issue? It has been everywhere else for everything else. So, yeah, I would guess that to be the case. But they didn't announce, when they announced those Mandalorian accessories, They said they weren't coming until June, July anyway. Yeah, but they standardly released a price at that point, and you just can't get them. Yeah, it was a little different this time. I mean, only speculation now because I don't know why. We'll see. But, man, I'm hearing about the topper. Uh-oh. You haven't even shared that with me. I know. We'll talk. You don't share anything with me, actually. Speaking of accessories, Jersey Jack Pinball, we know that accessories are coming there as well. specifically the topper again no pricing yet we haven't seen it yet but uh you may see and hear about that this week as well just a nice another little update and for all of you that heard other podcasts suggesting that i was minimizing any play field issues from these manufacturers i just implore you to maybe listen to the whole thing not just the the uh the snippet that was so conveniently cut for that fucking laughable at this point. Not even going to get a dig because it's sad. Just let it slide. Yeah, let it slide. Let the people make their own decisions. Speaking of cringe, let's slide right into another cringe-worthy story.
    32:52
    Pinball Adventures. Honey Factory. Yeah, well, at least I haven't seen that yet. Not shipping anyway that I know of. Maybe they didn't sell any. Order banks are closed. They released another video. We know these award-winning videos that they release. This one was for a new title called Elements. Get your Magic the Gathering cards out, because I'm just assuming that's what Magic the Gathering is about. I have no clue. But Elements is about Captain Planet. No, it's not. It should be.
    33:23
    Wind, water, go planet! By your powers combined, I am Captain Planet. If you enjoy it, they're now building. This is about dirt, wind, water, fire. Heart! I always felt bad for the kid with heart!
    33:45
    Wasn't Kwame. Kwame was... I forgot what Kwame had. He was my favorite. Heart! It was a little guy. He didn't get one of the elements. He just got heart. No idea what you're talking about. Listeners know. And right now they're cackling. But no, this is about, I don't know what this is about, warlocks, ninjas, trolls. It reminded me of a kind of Dungeons and Dragons feel, but also there was an Atari arcade game that got kind of popular called Gauntlet, and that kind of had like you could select different characters, and each character had their attributes and their weapon and that kind of idea. That's kind of what it reminded me of. It felt Dungeons & Dragons-y, even the look of the cabinet. So Pinball Adventures, for those of you, you guys are welcome over at Pinball Adventures for some of this exposure. But go to YouTube and type in Pinball Adventures, and you'll find a video entitled Elements Pinball Sneak Peek. It's a six-minute video, and it is a video. I almost felt like I was talking on another podcast this week that it was so cringy and bad production-wise that it felt like Pinball Adventures realized how shitty they are at doing these things and was making fun of themselves in a mock satire video. That's what it felt like to me. It was bad. But the one highlight was of the mocked-up game. Didn't look horrible. I'll give them credit. Didn't look like Punic Factory. The Gandalf wannabe? I couldn't even get his lips to sync. I still think that's a YouTube issue. It's not. I know what you're talking about, but it is not. It didn't look terrible. I have a different opinion on that video than you do. You're looking at it from the production standpoint because you've got yourself into that realm, and I'm not. So I had a little bit different of a take on it. You're so wrong, but okay. I know. Well, that's fine. I'm used to that. but I didn't think it was as bad as you make it out to seem. I mean, the game kind of had some cool stuff to it. Yeah. The ultimate question will be, will they ever make it? Will it ever come out? And then that I'd say probably not the artwork. I mean, we're still waiting on punny factory. So why, why are they putting out a video for another game when they didn't make their first? Are they just scrapping that? That's a good question. They, they should, this is a lot more promising. Yes. But it has an upper play field There are some things that there are to like about this Subway Subway, yeah but Okay, yeah Theater magic diverter that goes into a subway Yeah, I'm just looking Trying to find the positives It's got a clear play field area Kind of like your Big Lebowski Your Creature from the Black Lagoon Think the same shape But it has a infinity mirror In there Yep. It's got two horseshoes, one with spinners on them. What's the Gottlieb? What is this fucking Gottlieb Genesis? There's nothing. You can't play down there. You're just looking at an infinity mirror. Well, no different than Creature from the Black Lagoon. No different than. Okay, good argument. I mean, you know, it's a showpiece, that part of it, or it's a bling. It's not like a Congo where you can do something under there or ACDC, but a lot of times they don't get the greatest of love. Yeah, they suck down there anyway. Those lower play fields anyway, exactly. So, yeah, you said two horseshoe loops, a big orbit, a whirly McGee ramp. Yeah, two horseshoe loops, one with two spinners on it, sort of like a Pirates of the Caribbean on the upper play field there. And then there's got two with drop targets, very reminiscent of Scott Denise's most recent Denise 2.0 lock. That's what that is, yes. So little cool features Definitely a different layout than we've seen from anybody else And I like the upper play field It's got some drop targets You go behind the drop targets Thank you Love that I'm okay with that I like that And then if it passes the flipper It goes onto the wire form I like it And drops it down Almost looks like a twister to me Like when it comes Drops down right in the middle of the play field Yeah that's a weird exit But okay I can get behind it So there are some things that aren't totally making me run for the hills. Is that an Iron Maiden reference?
    38:14
    Find for your life. Yeah, and they show, but here's the big question. Why now? Yeah, that's what I said. Why? I got a lot of questions, like that left little orbit stand up. Why this theme? Why a lot of wise, but that that is. and why are there inserts in the whitewood under the apron why a lot of questions but that that that's that's part for the course for this company that hasn't created anything yet but the why now is you why do we need you to show off a game when i can't buy it hype level at 100 right now every single day that goes by is less and less interest do they not know this they've got to know this why are you showing me an incomplete or incomplete game i think people just get excited about the milestones that they reach you know people want to shout out no i get it i don't understand it either i mean not to not to bash more on deep root but i don't understand this concept that they had for the last three or four years and why they've boasted and done the things they've done and in theory have not produced one game yet i mean i know raza is you know shown and played and but it's not in production and and all the recent stories i just don't understand it if i had any desire for a raza it would have long died ago yeah you're right full retro back class screen at the top is pretty cool another like uh small not small but i guess a normal size LCD screen at the top. Why? Try something different maybe? Why not start with Punny Factory like that so they all line up? It's going to look weird now. Because they're not a mental problem where their games have to all exactly look the same in a row. Yeah. 1980s called. Their name is Bally and they want their cabinet back. Yeah, that's what it reminded me of. A Bally or even a Gottlieb. The street level kind of taller back boxes. I don't know why you're showing a product now. Yeah. Show it when it's... Listen, you don't have to be in a box ready to ship, but you need to have that game out within the next six weeks. Period. Preferably now. Yeah. Well, sure. In a perfect world. It's hard for me to trust this company with a promo video like this. Yeah, you put a lot more stock in that, and that's okay. I put stock in putting games out in boxes to consumers. Absolutely. And if I'm saying to myself, if they can't get this right, then how are they going to get right an actual pinball machine? The complexity of a pinball machine, listener, is at least 50 to 1,000 times more than a sizzle promo reel.
    41:16
    And if you can't do that, then I worry about the animation in this game. I worry about a lot of things. I'll tell you what, some of that art that they were passing by that looked like could be the possible animations, again, and it's maybe not resounding, but did not look terrible.
    41:32
    Okay. And I certainly disagree. I don't care. Listen, at the end of the day, people still criticize Stern's promo videos. They still criticize Stern's or their third party that is bringing out their streams. The bottom line is the game, right? Like 30 years ago, there was none of this crap. They put out a flyer. They put a game on location where nobody knew about it because the Internet wasn't what the Internet was. And the game was valued for the game, not the sizzle reel, not the production quality of their release video, not the stream quality. It was the game. So at the end of the day, if the game is fun to play and it's got cool mechs and cool features, that's all I really care about. I don't give two shits about their video and whether or not Merlin lined up with his words and all that. That'll be forgotten if the game's fun to play.
    42:27
    You're not wrong. Is that the best you can get out of a Zach Many? You can't say you're right, but you're not wrong. You're not wrong. We'll see. Yeah, I have a fear that that game will never come out other than the computerized version that it is right now via that promo video. The only other frustration I have, I went to visit pinballbuzz.com, and I always get a good laugh at the list of games they have out here. Sushi pinball, ninja pinball. That's whack! Pinball.
    42:58
    Fruitomatics, first class pinball. Canada, eh? Pinball. World dominant. They're hilarious. I didn't find too funny. Again, more crunchy.
    43:09
    If you click on books, listener, you'll go down and you'll see a couple books. Remember the Pinball Adventures Volume 1, Todd Tuckey? Join Todd Tuckey. Oh, yeah, the one with the repeat pages and missing pages and misspellings. That's the one. Volume 2 is now available. Volume 3 is now available. Volume 4, coming soon. But a new one has emerged, and it's called The Rise and Fall of a Pinball Empire. And on that said promo book leaflet, it says an unauthorized autobiography of Todd N. Tucky. It's got a picture of him right on the book cover, and it's got TNT Amusements logo on it. It says, learn the real story behind the YouTube arcade and pinball guru, late night info commercial sales pitchman, fist biting, groaning, and some lighthearted insults, Todd N. Tucky. Here's where it takes a turn. Now, 40 years in the business, Todd claims to have hosted over 25,000 parties and sold over 27,000 plus arcade pinball machines that would total almost a $40 million empire. So why does he need a loan for payroll? Is he really broke? Is it an act? Or is the pinball and arcade guru really mad? Read the real truth behind Todd Tuckey. did that say autobiography because that certainly doesn't sound like an autobiography so true sounds like a tmz episode or a national inquirer waiting to be in the grocery line i mean do we need this do we need this no i don't think we need it but there's a lot of things in this where we don't need that are out there.
    44:57
    It just, and you might say, well, it's about the promo video that's sloppy. That's fine. You might say that you go to their website and see that they have typos all over their website, and that's fine. But maybe, just maybe, I'm crazy by saying lack of attention to detail and everything else that you do show may bleed over into what you do produce.
    45:20
    Yeah, it wouldn't have me have a great feeling. But we shall wait and see. Onward to spooky pinball. Speaking of boutiques, spooky pinball Charlie teased a photo, a couple photos this last week, one by an Evil Dead poster kind of saying, this isn't going to happen, and one of the artwork, I don't know if it was a cabinet play field, I don't know what it was. Did you see that Joe Yeah I thought it was a cabinet right where it looked like almost like some stone Yeah yeah yeah So that about the update There nothing more to add I don't know what it's going to be. I know what I would love it to be. I'd love it to be Scooby-Doo. I doubt it. The people were talking about Halloween series. Yeah, that seems to be the one with the most amount of gumption. I think selfishly for me, I would love that. I'm really still looking for somebody to make a scary pinball machine Some people talk about Nightmare on Elm Street I think that'd be great None of these so far excite me What does excite you, Dennis Greasel?
    46:26
    I'm a good stand-in, right? I don't know Listen, I've got like two or three themes left for me That would excite me Oh boy, now I've got to hear them Back to the Future is one of them Thank you, Joe Fox. I mean, that literally probably would have to be the top one for a consensus, right? Hear that, gear bear? Come on, Sturney. After that, everything's kind of like, oh, yeah, that would be cool, but not really. Okay.
    46:59
    So back to the futures, where is that? For me, yep. The Goonies? Yep. Okay. I can get with you on Goonies. Okay. We were kind of raised around the same era. Yeah, I'm a little older than you. I think that some people, I think that, what is it, Rocky Horror Picture Show is another one that would get people kind of upside down. We know it's coming in June, the reveal. So we'll see. June 1 or June 30? Who knows? June, June, June, June. And for all of you interested in getting a spooky pinball machine from Flippin' Out Pinball, we're still trying to get Charlie to add us to the list. Somebody messaged me or called me yesterday and said, hey, can you ask Zach if I can get on his list if it's Halloween? And I said, well, first of all, Zach doesn't sell for spooky directly. And second of all, I don't think it's Halloween. But that's my own speculation. God, he was probably, thanks, Crasell. Hung up the phone on you. I don't know. Cock block.
    48:01
    Here's a really scary thing. This is even scarier. I've actually never even seen Halloween. Wow. I mean, I know the whole concept, Michael Myers and Jamie Lee Curtis and all that stuff, but they made 17 of them, so I get kind of... It's more of a nostalgia thing now. It's the lore of the story more so than the film. And listen, I know I'm in the minority. That's absolutely, I know that. It's the score. It's just, that's all. I've never seen Nightmare on Elm Street. I've never seen Friday the 13th. I've never seen... You've never seen Freddy Krueger? What the hell? I know who he is. I know I got the whole concept Candyman Nope No Candyman, no Pinhead No Hellraiser No What was the old one Carol Ann No Poltergeist I would love an Exorcist It's not my jam Do you scare easy I do actually That's part of the reason I don't like them A Blair Witch Project, I went to the movies and saw. I wasn't scared as much at that one, but that's probably my horror genre. Next time you come visit, I'm just going to rip my shirt straight down the middle. See what I did there. We're going to hop in the hot tub, and we're going to watch a horror film together.
    49:22
    I just see that being a bad night altogether. How about we'll be drunk? Does that make it better? No. Nope. Last time you got drunk, you bought $1,000 worth of glow-in-the-dark silicone from Titan. Listen, let's be clear. That is not the last time I was drunk. That was just a time I was drunk. Odd time.
    49:43
    Spooky Pinball, we're still eager. I still might have a handful of machines to sell. So bye, bye, bye. Haggis Pinball. Now we know that they did sell out of all their mermaids. Now this excites me. Congratulations. All of the Mermaid Edition Fathom Revisited are sold out. $2.50.
    50:02
    Gone. Or are they? I did see in the thread that people... The window was wide open, the door was open, it was waiting for you to come in. Now people are like, where can I get one at? What the hell? You've been sleeping? I think that's a classic thing where Stern is obviously front and center when they release a game, and the speculation is the highest, and people were guessing Mandalorian for months beforehand, and zero people saw this coming, except for Haggis, of course, and caught most people by surprise. And, of course, they are more under the radar than a Stern or a JJP, so it doesn't hit, quote-unquote, national news or national pinball news. I still think it's the high school girlfriend syndrome. I really do. The high school girlfriend? Yeah. Oh, I love you. Let's go out. Let's hang out. It's like, no, I don't want to do that. And then the minute you can't have me. Oh, but he's so cute. How would you even know anything about that? You've been with Nicole since you were 12. I get the premise. Maybe she did it to me. I don't know. You want what you can't have. It sounds too easy. You know what I mean, Foxy? If it's too easy, you don't want it. Too easy, there's no attraction. Yeah. Like the monster's all over again.
    51:19
    I think that's what it is. Now that the mermaid hole closed, it's going to take a little work to get one. This whole announcement excited me. This, to me, is something that got me super excited. When you talk about the life cycle of a pinball collector or a pinball person, you know, everyone got into, you know, you get your most recent machines with all the razzle-dazzle, and then you start discovering that the games from the 80s and 90s had a lot of attraction to them as well.
    51:48
    I'm a classic Bally, classic Stern type of guy. Fathom was a game that I was never able to find a nice enough one for me. So, to me, this was like music to my ears. Did you order one? I ordered one right off the bat. Hot damn. Congratulations. One billion Australian dollars. I'd be curious how many people ordered the Standard versus the Mermaid. Because I think from an upgrade price, I think that was your best buy in pinball from an upgrade price. It really was. Now, I said, so these are all gone. It may or may not be true. Did you see the social media post of me happily and proudly wearing my Haggis hat? No, I try to stay away from anything containing you. No, I saw. You got your clam member package. I befuddled a look on my face. Not sure where mine is, but okay. It's coming. It's on a ship somewhere. Yeah, that swag pack was awesome. I'm going to give them a lot of credit. Nicely done, Damien. Your wonderfully beautiful hair that I want to run my fingers through.
    52:52
    Nicely done. I'll tell you, another feather in their cap is, and I'm sure you've been getting them too since you ordered one and I ordered one. I've been getting these pretty much weekly to 10-day updates from Damien, just kind of like where they're at. Nothing momentous, but enough to keep you interested. That's a good thing as well. And if you are looking for a Mermaid edition of Fathom Revisited, you may not be out of luck entirely. Why? You know what they say, Joe, on the streets. You heard them talking on the streets. What do they say on the streets? One for my homie? No, they say when in doubt. Call flipping out. Boom. I only have 62 more to go. All right. Let's go. Let's talk about you a little bit more. You had something recent that you're working on that is super, super exciting. It's called the Delaware Pinball Collective. DPC!
    53:43
    Yes, I put out a Facebook post this week kind of announcing we're on the final, I guess the... It's the final countdown! We have a final countdown of making the Delaware Pinball Collective a reality, something that myself and four other good friends in the Delaware-slash-Pennsylvania area have been cultivating for the last—we started right before the pandemic, of course, not knowing what was going to happen a year and change ago. Kind of took a backseat then during the pandemic because who knows what the world was going to be. and has now regained its steam and is right at the finish line of putting over. We're just finalizing the spot.
    54:35
    But similar to other great collectives in the country, whether it be the Sanctum, whether it be Richmond, whether it be the newly announced Rochester or East Rochester Pinball Collective, it's very similar to those make-ups where a group of enthusiasts come together to create one central location in an area and bring all of their knowledge and their games into one central place for all to enjoy. It will be a membership-based program where you'll pay monthly or yearly fees to access the club. We are designated as a 501C7, which is a non-for-profit corporation. We're not looking to make any money here. We're just looking to keep games up and running, Keep the rent paid, keep the lights on, and have everybody come and enjoy. We'll be running. A fun, safe place for pinball people to hang out. Yep, absolutely. So we're excited that this is right at the finish line here. You can check out a lot of the background story on www.delawarepinballcollective.com. There you can also sign up for memberships, and or if you're not in the area and still wish to try to support us, There's some donation buttons there and different ways that you can help out. But I would say, based on timing, what it looks like, I would say July-August opening. Wow. Soon. Yeah, it's very close. So my wife will be happy. The basement will be quasi-emptied as I take most of my collection and move it there. I'll still hold on to a couple of my keepers and stay here for me to enjoy while I'm home. I just think it's such an awesome, awesome idea. And I know the group up in Delaware is just a fantastic group. So I'm a little envious and sad that I don't have one more local to me. But the Delaware Pinball Collective sounds like it's going to be a great thing. And anything you're a part of, you don't have to ask anything. So you've been a huge asset to this community. So hopefully you, listener, can become a member. Like how far is it from any major metropolitan city around? Yeah, so it's going to be, I mean, it's not 100% yet, but for all intents and purposes, it's going to be located in Wilmington, Delaware, which is about 30 minutes from Philadelphia. Oh, shit. Yeah. All the Philly people need to sign up. That's a major area where people can come from. We're right on the borderline of New Jersey. So southern New Jersey is, you know, anywhere from a half hour to 45 minutes. You have, you know, some outlying areas of Pennsylvania that are still heavily populated right outside of Philadelphia. So we're trying to put it in a location that it cannot just be an exclusive to Delaware because we are a smaller state and don't have a high population, but also accessible by those all around us. Wow. Do you think they'll ever run events or tournaments or anything? We are, absolutely. Right now, we've been running events, tournaments since even during the pandemic safely and CDC guidelines with masks and sanitizer in the whole nine yards since June. but from a pinball or from a delaware perspective we've been running tournaments in delaware since september of 2000 and what is this 21 so 18 and we run typically up to nine events per year on top of a state championship and a also a delaware tour championship internally to the state of into the state of delaware so that will continue as well as weekly leagues open play and And upon opening, there will be at least 45 to 50 machines on site. So even when you're running tournaments and we're running leagues, there will be plenty of areas still for regular members that aren't interested in that to still play and still be there. Do we know if collectives can be a part of the Stern Army? You know, I don't know that. That's actually something I've been meaning to email them recently. Shout out Roper! so it will be a location that even though it is membership only um and not open to the public but the public can be members so kind of quasi public location yeah um and there's a lot of irons in the fire and there may be some other goodies attached to this dpc will be in the future we'll keep them under hat for now that's right but uh yeah you you mentioned me being involved in it and obviously you know i appreciate that but there there's four other guys that are huge parts of this that without it i i could not do it by myself not at all um chad hastings uh rodney kamajis paul pratzner and mike vieth are all part of this and a lot of those are known guys in the hobby yeah certainly known in this this area um so they're all we're all 20 share this that's cool That is really cool. And you guys listening right now, if you guys love me, then at least go donate. If you're in Philly, no excuses. Come on, be a member. If you're in Jersey, come on, no excuses. Even Maryland. I mean, depending on where you live in Maryland, it's a half hour, 45 minutes. Come on. What about New York? Is that a little far? New York's a little far, but here's the good thing with a membership is we believe the cost is pretty reasonable. and it's not something that you're going to feel like if you paid for a yearly membership that if you don't use it a hundred times, it's not going to be worth it. Even if you only got down here two or three times a year and spent the day or spent the night, I think you'll find it to be a very wise purchase. And if you guys have any care in your little hearts for myself or for Dennis Creasel, donate because this would mean a lot to us as well for you to support the Delaware pinball collective so much so that if you guys are willing over the DPC, I would love is flipping out pinball to next time you guys do like a big tournament or something, do some donations, some giveaway stuff. So please, please donate. Even if you're not going to be a member, if you're in Florida, donate California, donate, come on guys, show some love. So the Joe comes back. He's like, damn, that really helped. Thank you so much. I'm like, Oh my God, growing pinball. I appreciate that. We all appreciate that here.
    60:53
    All right, guys. It's been a long week, and I need my fix. I'm getting an itch. And the only way I'm going to scratch it, it's right under, like, you know where it's at. It gets real hot and sweaty there a lot. You can't really get a good fingernail on it. Skin moves a lot. It's pinball market trends. Chode edition. turning up this week is a Williams game back in the 90s it's a wide body back in wide bodies Foxy are we talking about Popeye again no we're not talking about Star Wars how many people you think when you play those two themes together they get confused and somebody always names the opposite between Indiana Jones and a Star Wars. It happens. The great composers have that effect on people. It's Indiana Jones! This one has its ups and downs for sure. It does. It goes through that waxy and wavy market. Ups and downs. Indiana Jones is up right now. Some claim it to be the greatest widebody of all time. It'd be pretty difficult to remake. A licensing attached to that is a great game. One of the best ever. If you like modes, if you like moments, if you like video modes, if you like Bally Williams, this is it. If you like mods, this is it. And not just any mod. But maybe this is a little predictive turning up because very soon you will probably wish you had an Indiana Jones. Because there's something coming out, ladies and gentlemen, in the near future that may just raise the average sell price of this game. Isn't this the next Elite Topper game?
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    Also training up this week is me! Exclamation point. I think I sold that well. It's me. Why is that, Joe? I have no idea. Because I'm in your head.
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    Free. I'm just shaking my head. My eyes are closed. My hands are up in the air. I look like an emoji at this point. Hey, look, and it's not coming from me.
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    Here, I'll throw in a quote of the greatest podcaster alive. I'll throw in this for you. In the end, in the end, I mean this. In the end, the person who will survive all of this, the person who will ultimately win in the end, the person who wants to be the ultimate voice of pinball will have his way.
    63:42
    It will be Zach. Zach will be your ambassador to pinball. It's what he wants. It's why he works so hard on all this stuff. It's why he puts so many hours. And I hope he achieves all of his pinball glories. But in the end, he will know he'll just never be as cool as me. Because I do it naturally. I do it straight up like this, unedited. He can't do this. You think he could do this? You think he could do Facebook Lives like this and keep a commentary going? You think he could do a solo show like Kaneda? He can't do it. You've heard his solo shows. Can't do it.
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    But he's going to win in the end because in the end, I will go away. You know, his ultimate goal is to have every single person on planet Earth buy from Flippin' Out. Buy, buy, buy! He puts the ads everywhere, puts the logo everywhere. It's all the agenda. It's all quite clear what it is. And that's it.
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    Thanks, buddy. Not only that, I'm turning up because you guys need to check out the latest episode of the Slam Tilt Podcast featuring myself. And boy, was that fun. I've never been on the Slam Tilt Podcast, Joe. First of all, I don't know if I would tout myself until you actually hear it by the time Ron gets done with the editing. Because if he was smart, he would just completely take you out of it. Let me guess, it was a whole episode of you and Bruce arguing over what the best game was and what mod makes more sense. God, sweet, sweet, man. Awesome, hilarious. They're kind of iconic in pinball media history. So check that out. I would implore you to check that out. It was a lot of fun. And the second half of that interview, I had them on their toes. I had them on their toes, Foxy. On the ropes. They didn't know how to deal with me. They had to throw in the towel. Yeah. Oh, Bruce thought he was a well-seasoned Dave Fix certified veteran.
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    Oh, you know what? Today is the anniversary of? I should have let off with this. As of today, I am officially allowed to give an opinion in this hobby. Today is my five-year anniversary of my first game this weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, a round of applause for Joe Fox. Joe, if you'd come up to the front here and accept your coin. Thank you. nicely done now you weren't buying machines for 800 were you no okay so you're not a seasoned veteran you have to wait for that chip i'm just a veteran i haven't hit uh what's what's that when you get i have no tenure yet yeah no tenure that's okay we got you on the path now nicely done per usual those guys wrong on so many things they're so seasoned and to be so seasoned and wrong is uh you gotta you gotta check it out it's cute it really is cute i can't wait thursday is usually when they release.
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    Trending down this week is... Oh, what? Guns and Roses by Jersey Check Pimple? How am I... Wait a minute. Yeah? I'm too biased to trend that down. You only report the facts. Hey, numbers don't lie. And if you have not seen whether it is true narrative, false narrative, I don't care what kind of narrative, it is pushing the market. Right? This is what happens. People are talking about GNRs this week And you're seeing a lot go up for sale New in the box, out of the box Unfortunately you're not seeing them talked about in a good light The more that are in the market The more that are available The lower that price will be So don't shoot the messenger It is simply me reporting the facts I don't think it's going to be forever They'll get it straightened out And it was so high up It had to come trickling down at some point Yeah there was no way that they could consistently sell for $20,000 plus Especially if they're producing them, they're going to keep making them. That means there's more that's out there. Well, no, even the CEs alone, right? You can't keep selling. First of all, there was only 500 of them to begin with. So you can't continue. There's only so many new in-box CEs that can be resold. And there's only so many people that can foot a $20,000 plus bill. That's so true. What I'm seeing now, which cracks me up, except every time I think that these people are nuts, 20 minutes later I see sale pending is $25,000 for opened and 150 plays. The price is going up for open box games. However, if you look at what their recent issues have been, you'd actually maybe want to pay a little bit more for an open box game that clearly doesn't have any issues than some of these other ones that could be crapshoots Wow Strong take Well it just the reality of it I mean listen you cannot be perfect in this As a manufacturer, as a player, as a whatever, you cannot be perfect. We still, yeah, and we still don't know. We've heard reports of how often this is occurring. That's just slander. We don't know. We have no idea. It's definitely not the mainstream. No, it's not the majority. We know that. We just don't know, and we're not going to report shit we don't know. Nope. I cannot report this week a deal of the week. The market's on fire, and everybody is loco with some of these prices. So not really a lot of deals out there. I'm telling you, I sit there and look at Pennside and look at games, continue to go up in value, and number one, it turns into a monkey see, monkey do situation. When somebody sees that, I don't know, pick a title, diner is selling for $4,500, next thing you know, there's four diners listed for $5,000 in the next, you know, day. And then I go, ah, what a joke. I should message this guy and tell him, you know, and be more realistic. And before I could get the message out, it's already a sale pending.
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    So what do I know? But that doesn't mean there's not an abundance of deals of the WTFs for me this week include a medieval madness Royal edition. You can find on pin side by the, yeah, Yeah, by the username HeyNimic outside of Eagle, Idaho.
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    What'd you call him? Eagle, Idaho. Now, I don't know. I think I know this individual, and I like them. It's harder and harder the more people I meet, Joe and Pinball, to do these deals with the WTF. Because I don't want to come down hard on this guy, but your price is a little jacked up. Was this the one for $19,000? $19,900 a bus. for a Medieval Madness Royal Edition. Shipping included. Oh, thanks. And very low place. First owner. And only one mod. The Lost Plastic. 19 bucks. Come on. Yeah, that's a... Listen, that topped out, I think, at like 14, 13, maybe even 15,000 new in the box. $20,000 machine. No, but everybody's gone batshit crazy. So maybe it's not the worst thing in the world? I would think so. It's not. I want to party with this guy, though, because he's got Christmas lights under the game, all bundled up like Clark fucking Griswold. And he also has an antelope or some kind of dead animal antler system sitting over the machine. And he does say in the listing, important to note, antlers are not included. Sell, sell, sell. Are there any antlers hanging up in your game room? Yeah. You may be able to talk them into that bundle of Christmas lights. Probably the incandescent ones, not even the LED ones. It's a beautiful game. One bolt goes out, the whole string's out. Yeah. I would not mind this game. But for $19.99... Sell, sell, sell! No thanks. Also on deals with the WTF this week, this is a guy everybody knows. Either you love him, you hate him, but he's on Pennside regardless. His name is Levy, and he hangs out in New York, New York. you know levy uh i've heard he's crazy i like that pin sighted by the name of crazy levy makes you want to say levi don't he's got a monster bash home use only the original triple og here yeah triple og a genuine bona fide authentic home use only original monster bash pinball machine now he writes a dr frightner essay on this um but there's a lot of words but basically it's clean it's super nice a little wear at the little uh gobble holes little scoop holes a little way over there doesn't have the nasty drag track wear that i see it's a clean ass game i can't hate on this game because it's nice if you want an original this is this is one to get however levy if you think that people are going to spend fifteen thousand dollars on your Monster Bash, you're wrong. Sell, sell, sell! Who the hell's going to do that, Joe Fox? I can buy an LE with a topper and RGB lights and an extended display for like $10. It's a starting point. Plus, if it's an original, we're not going to have any flip or delay, right? Sell, sell, sell! Oh, God, here we go.
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    Because you're simultaneously playing the same two games at the same time. I talked to the Slamto guys about that, too. Did you? He said it's a special machine here, and hopefully it's going to end up with a collector of special tastes. Thanks for reading You know what At this point I can't say I blame anybody For listing anything at any price Because what's the worst you can do Is just drop it I hate to say it like that Because I thought these people were crazy too But anymore I think I'm crazy Crazy I just don't get it Who would prefer this game over the newer ones Listen again the flip or delay conversation to me is completely irrelevant because you can have you can play any two of the same game and then feel completely different so to me playing a remake versus playing an original would be no different than playing two copies of whatever popeye or hobbit or whatever it is the least the least levy could do here is throw in a damn color dmd come on levy look here's the deal if one of you guys is dumb enough to buy this for this amount please do not buy this until his ass puts in a color dmd you heard me levy come on tidy put it in there 400 bucks come on put it in there i wouldn't pay it i wouldn't pay over 11 i wouldn't pay anything because i don't like monster bash but i was gonna say you could have last one on the title 11 000 tops i don't think it's worth it but whatever okay and ladies and gentlemen that with and without controversy was your pinball market trends i prefer when you go pinball motherfucking market trends that's trademark all rights reserved
    75:11
    All right, let's close this tiki hut down. Where can people find you? At my house. Where else? If you want to play in Delaware. It's May the 30th or whatever today is. It's 50 degrees outside in Delaware, and it's raining. Really? Find me in my house in my basement playing pinball and trying to get away from the weather.
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    You sure it's not the people? No, I love the people. You are such a damn people person. I don't know how you do it. You know, it's funny. I'm a people person, but I'm not at the same time, if that makes any sense. I think that's the majority of the world, yeah. Yeah. Everybody wants to fit in the box. That's normal. Yeah. I don't even know what to say.
    75:54
    And you like people until you don't. Then you really don't. Yeah, then I really don't. That's pretty much it. But you love me. I'm turning into a 95-year-old grandfather or something. Do you ever think when you got into the pinball hobby that you'd find a bud like me willing to chest bump you without shirts on in a hot tub?
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    In Indiana. Do you have chest hair? I can see you sitting in that hot tub like, you know, 11, 30, 12 o'clock at night. Oh, yeah. Kids are all in bed. Absolutely. Nicole probably fell asleep. You're in there with a cigar, even though you don't smoke cigars. I think if you have a hot tub, now you have to smoke cigars. Why not? And like some kind of brown liquor drink with one ice cube. Cigars kind of smell like turds. Yeah, well, that's why I said you're not in them now, but you've got to eat the hot tub life now. Okay. And there's a camera pointed right at you. There is. So you can Twitch stream it. There is a camera already there. My wife has got cameras all around our house. Yeah, I could see that happening. And like I said, some drink with brown liquor in it. An old-fashioned? No, no. Like a scotch or a whiskey or whatever the hell those things are. No thanks. With one square ice cube in it. Yeah, a Pepsi.
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    And I'll be counting my chest hairs for Joe Fox. Yeah, one, two. Okay, that's it. Done. It's going to be glorious. I'm not even going to let my kids in there. Yeah. I'll see how long that'll last. No. I'll kick them out. Nope. Not happening. And I guarantee once this thing gets up and running, by week two, there is a picture on Facebook with all four kids, bubbles all surrounding them. You're at work, so you had nothing to say about it, and they're all in there floating around. Stupid dog will probably be in there. Worst, they'll be on the edge with their claws scratching into it. Oh, that's going to be horrible. So people can find you at the nearest show. Are you going to Chicago Expo or not? I haven't been saying no, yes, no. I told you, there's so much going on in that six-week period of time that not only may I not be able to afford all these trips, but I only have so much vacation time at work. The last year has been a vacation since my business has taken a hit. You're probably a Pentastic guy, aren't you? I've never gone to Pentastic. I've wanted to. The next show I know I'm going to is PenFest in Allentown, which is the end of July. As long as that still stays on track, I'll be there. I've not been there. Should I go? no okay no no no actually pin fest is ivan does a great job with that show um and i think the first show that really happens after the pandemic ivan ohio did that show name he uh i think this will be like probably the most populated show of the last two years just because people are just dying to get back to a show if you guys need to catch me i'm at the pinball network at gmail.com or sdtmpinball at gmail.com or zackzach at flip the letter n out to pinball.com If you want juicy for your eyes, go to straight down the middle on YouTube. If you want juicy for the ears, listen to past episodes of the Pinball Show. If you want juicy for your game room, nothing gets sloppier. Coin taker. No, coin giver. A.K.A. Flippin' Out Pinball. All kinds of brand new beauties that we've got right now. including Stranger Things. We still have like one or two. Pros? Yeah, still got them. Gotta have that premium. People are really coming around on Turtles premium right now. You're supposed to help me sell games, damn it. Led Zeppelin Pro. I did. Gotta have that discontinued premium. Gotta have the one you can't get. FOMO. I agree. Led Zeppelin Premium. Hot Wheels is on order. We got some of those. Product showcase of the week is Jurassic Park Pro. You guys are sleeping. I don't want to hear this whining when these things are sold out and you've got to wait another six months for another run. We've got them now. Six months. It might be the last run by the time. I mean, how long can they make that game? It's been, what, two? What is it? This is like two years or three years. You know what I'm saying? You're out of something, and it won't come back. Or no, that was a rhyme. Sorry. Dun, dun.
    80:13
    We've got to. How could you not have a Jurassic Park at this point? I know. If you don't have one, you've got to. It's only because they had one, and they sold it, and now they want it back. That could be the only reason. It might be one of the greatest in the last five, ten years. Yep. It definitely is. Whatever. I'm not going to tell you what to buy. Buy them all. Yeah. And if you want a cool accessory, you've got to go check out the straight down the middle SDT infomercial that we did on the Avenger shooter rod. Got some good feedback on that one. Here's a pro tip. Watch the whole video, guys. Don't shut it off and discuss 30 seconds in. You know what we're talking about.
    80:49
    Joe Franchi. You called him out on my name. He's like, shit. He really thought it was like $400. That's okay. He's missing out. And see, that's why there's some misinformation. Yeah, he's flipping wrong. Listen. Most of the time. That's right. Golden teeth. Zach, what game should I buy?
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    He did ask me. Zach, what do you think of Houdini? Yeah, you know what? I am calling out Joe Franchi. Joe Franchi, if you're listening for some reason, what the hell? And call me and ask what game to buy, and you told me that, or he didn't tell me. No, I told you. In a drunken stupor. Yeah, a drunken stupor, you buy a game from somebody else? The hell? It's enough to go. There's enough to go around. There's enough to go around, only there's not. See if they'll answer your this or that.
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    God. Betrayal, betrayal, betrayal. Would you keep Willy Wonka or Dialed In or Wizard of Oz? Now, I did have an update for Golden Tee 2021s. They were pushed back again, people. My apologies for any of you that had one preordered with us, but we're going to have a couple more months delay because of parts issues. That sucks. TPN last week, just another pinball podcast, the Dwight Appreciation episode. That was a lot of fun with Fliptronic and my buddy Chuck Wirt as well as Joe Ingerberth. Off the record pinball podcast where Glenn preps for a pinball tournament. Sounds like an old classic picture book, but no.
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    Glenn talked about... What goes on in that head of yours sometimes? I don't know. I have no freaking clue. Glenn plays pinball.
    82:28
    Glenn meets Sally. Sally likes pinball. Nice job, Glenn. That's from like the 50s and 60s, and then we graduated to pinball tournaments for dummies. Glenn tried to get a kiss.
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    Glenn gets slapped. No means no, Glenn. Perfect. That's why you're here. But check that out. It was nice because it was a different take on pinball tournament and strategy. It was not an in-depth, deep, best-of-the-best pinball strategizing. It was just a guy like us playing pinball that likes tournaments. So some of the easier stuff to look at. You don't like tournaments. I like walking. Guys like us from a guy who never played a tournament. You know, guys like us, real hardcore pinball guys. Playing your kids in the basement does not count as a tournament. Yeah, chasing whoppers. You know how it goes. Chasing whoppers. I'm a whopper chaser. Whoppers have been sold out since March of last year. Whoppers. TPN this week, we should have a final round pinball podcast with the sexy and sultry Jeff Teelis and Martin Robbins. Two of my boys. They are. They were guys before they accepted my friendships. And maybe we'll have a free play pinball podcast. The rookies, maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. Puppet pals are high somewhere. I don't know where they're at. Not sure. Talk about FOMO. That's right. Oh, speaking of, I'm glad that Macho's back. Not even related to TPN, but I saw his ass was back doing a podcast. It made me happier than it probably should have. Did you listen to it? Yeah, it was great. It was great. The greatest three minutes of ever. It's just so good. Yeah, Miss Mona always has a place in my heart, just like Greg Bone's mom.
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    Do you think you'd come back, Fox? I can't help it. I'm under contract now. I've actually already violated the terms of my first contract. That's okay. It's like 61 mentions short of flipping out. Thank you, Joe, for hanging out. Always here for you, buddy. Always. Same goes for me. And the more, maybe people actually like me this time around. What's not to like? Maybe keep your shirt on, though. Like I said, I got the body for a podcast and the face for Matthew.
    84:31
    All right, ladies and gentlemen, for Joe Fox, I'm your Zach Minney. Well, just remember, Zach, always practice safe pinball and DPC up. Oh, nicely done. And always, I feel like it's monotonous. practice a pinball and always practice a pinball. Oh, I told you.
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    I'm not Brian fucking Heddy. I'm not Stern Engineers, but fuck, man, I could sit in a conference room and develop more creative ideas that are inside that fucking machine. And I mean that. You can't design a fucking foundry. Don't you people get it? you basically are buying these games with fucking nothing in them four trippies five for five coming you know it is the only pinball podcast that will talk to you like this that will talk to you like this who else talks to you like this wake up motherfuckers like all these other shows like wake up they don't want you to hear this shit don't bye bye bye bye bye don't want canada to get this way you don't i keep my show pg and not to be like a jerk about it but like ultimately i was talking to jeff about this at this week in pinball all the hours all the time we spend making content and doing stuff for the community like we get nothing in return like like i'm watching multi-millionaires who can't even contribute five or ten dollars a month to my show So, you know, in any other industry, if I was podcasting about any other topic, I'd have sponsors. I'd have some sort of like, you know, some sort of like reward for doing it other than like these Twippies. Look, I'm just saying you guys know who you are. You guys know who you are. For the price of a damn cup of coffee a day, you get the most entertaining pinball podcast for like five years now. Buy, buy, buy! Because you guys don't understand the time it takes. I love seeing how much someone will spend on something why aren't I allowed to make some monetary reward on something that I've dedicated thousands of hours of my life to 583 podcasts, bros and I don't even care for me it's not even about the donations it's about I wish I could more publicly talk about the pinball deals I have in the works. And I can't because you guys will all moan and groan that I'm ruining this hobby. I don't care. I do what I want. I really don't care. I just wish I could talk about it more because I wish I could let more of you in on some of these opportunities.
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    It's absolutely ridiculous how easy it is to now make money on all these things. how easy it is to now make money on all these things how easy it is to now make money on all these things i mean absolutely ridiculous i'm gonna i'm gonna stop there but i'm making some money people i'm making some money i'm not selling you anything ladies and gentlemen you can't even buy merchandise from me i won't even sell you merchandise and i could there's nothing you can buy from me. My loyalty is not for sale. Like my nothing is for sale with me. I've got fans, and then I've got fans, right? So something I'm going to do, something I'm going to do is look, if you want to listen to Canada's Pinball Podcast, you're still going to listen to the best pinball podcast on the planet. It's still going to give you all the news rumors and speculations that you want. You're still going to get Canada and all of my point of view on this hobby uh but for those of you and i have you know who contribute to canada's pinball podcast special shows are coming special shows are coming and look look can you blame me can you blame me for just giving my fans who are a little bit like the the vip club i'm calling it the canada's pay for play club look we're gonna be completely transparent about it i mean it's it's gonna it's look you know we do all this work we put all this effort into it and i know some people out there who make content, they would rather say that no one deserves anything, that we should just give all of our time and energy away for free. But here's the good news, is Canadian Pinball Podcast is funded, fully funded, fully sponsored, not by a company, not by a pin stadium lights, not by flipping out, not by coin taker, not by anybody. And Canada's Pinball Podcast is fully 100% funded by you, by the listeners. But let me tell you right now, I put just as many hours, if not more hours, into running Canada's Pinball Podcast as they do running pin side, okay? And here's the thing, Canada's Pinball Podcast is not going to go down because of some network's fire, all right? We will not go quietly into the night. the Canadian Pinball Podcast merchandise line, which will be arriving soon, so you guys can wear hats and shirts. Buy, buy, buy! If I were you, if I were you, I'm just saying. Buy, buy, buy! You contribute to Pinside. You donate for the price of a cup of coffee a week.
    89:58
    You could donate to Canada's Pinball Podcast. Buy, buy, buy! I think the minimum is, I think it could be even $1 or $5 a month to get all of the incredible content you get, and you're going to get extra shows now. And that's it. I'm not asking you to buy machines. I'm not asking you to buy anything else. But you know, after 585 episodes, that you could give Canada the price of a cup of coffee a month as a donation. And that wouldn't hurt you. And I can't wait. I can't wait for all the other pinball content creators out there to make fun of me for doing this, because they would rather take the money from the sponsors. You see what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Do you want to hear me drone on and on about how we're sponsored by Vip and I? We're sponsored by Coindigger? No, no, no, no, no. But you know what? There's four Twippies on the shelf because of you guys. And I do it because of you guys. But for those guys and gals who give a little bit more and a little bit extra, you're going to get a little bit extra. Buy, buy, buy! And I can't wait until you guys see some of the merchandise that's coming from Canada's Pinball Podcast, all right? You can go over everything I've created, every show, every Facebook Live. since I've been back, I have not done anything that's been a personal attack. I have not incited anybody to do something stupid. I'm not Donald Trump telling people to storm the Capitol.
    91:12
    I'm not selling you anything, ladies and gentlemen. in your head She's better off or wait Jeez shit