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Pinball Junk Drawer Episode 62 - Merry Christmas 2024, Elvira and Stern Vault

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·25m 17s·analyzed·Dec 25, 2024
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TL;DR

Hosts buy Elvira pinball after Stern's Vault Program announcement creates FOMO.

Summary

The hosts of Pinball Junk Drawer announce their purchase of a new Stern Elvira House of Horrors pinball machine, triggered by Stern's announcement of their new Vault Program that removes titles from active production. They discuss how the vault announcement created FOMO despite their previous skepticism about it, and reflect on Stern's marketing strategy mimicking Disney's vault model. The episode also covers their Pinside Secret Santa gift exchange.

Key Claims

  • Stern announced a new Vault Program removing eight titles from production at end of 2024: Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Star Wars, Star Wars Comic Art, Avengers, Infinity Quest, Elvira House of Horrors, and Foo Fighters.

    high confidence · Email directly read on air from Stern Pinball describing the vault program and listing vaulted titles

  • The Vault Program is based on Disney's vault strategy from classic film releases (Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast).

    high confidence · Hosts explicitly discussed Disney's vault model and noted the current Stern person implementing this is 'a Disney guy'

  • Vaulted titles will remain in the vault a minimum of two years, and many will never return.

    high confidence · Direct quote from Stern's official email regarding vault program terms

  • The Vault Program announcement accelerated the hosts' timeline for purchasing Elvira House of Horrors from potentially April to immediate purchase.

    high confidence · Host explicitly states they had been planning an 'Elvira Fund' and were considering buying it, but the vault email 'moved our time frame'

  • Elvira House of Horrors holds value well in the secondary market similar to Metallica and original scared Stiff machines.

    medium confidence · Host states 'Elvira's stuff does not go down...It's like Metallica' and references old Scared Stiff machines still selling for $5,000-$6,000

  • The hosts purchased the machine through Flippin' Out Pinball from dealer Zach and Nicole.

    high confidence · Directly stated: 'I reached out to Flippin' Out Pinball and Zach...we made the purchase'

Notable Quotes

  • “As 2024 comes to a close, we bid farewell to some of our titles as part of a new Stern Vault program. Vaulted titles are removed from active production. Titles put into the vault will remain in the vault a minimum of two years, and many will never return.”

    Stern Pinball (via official email read on air) @ early in episode — Official announcement of Vault Program; primary news driver for the episode

  • “So I immediately say, so should we get one? Because I don't want to miss it...this moved our time frame...Right. So, you know, they probably put this out going. This will spur some sales before end of year.”

    Host (Craft Brew Sally's co-host) @ mid-episode — Acknowledges FOMO impact and recognizes Stern's strategy of using vault announcement to drive sales

  • “FOMO should not ever affect anything...As soon as one thing is made, it can be bought. Now, so you can't miss it. Like, if there is one of something in the universe, if you want it bad enough, that's the key. You can get it.”

    Host (co-host to Craft Brew Sally) @ mid-episode — Philosophical take on FOMO that contradicts their own behavior, showing the tension between rational thinking and market psychology

  • “This is a Disney thing. And this is a Disney guy.”

    Host @ mid-episode — Identifies that Stern's new Vault Program is modeled on Disney's classic vault strategy and was implemented by someone from Disney

  • “So this is probably doing exactly what Stern needed it to do. End of year sales bump. Why not? I mean, without going on sale, right? They didn't have to. They kind of don't.”

    Host @ late-middle episode — Analysis of Stern's marketing effectiveness; shows how vault announcement drove sales without discounting

  • “We keep a very strong ledger. This money, like we're kind of borrowing against our money. We're paying it back into the savings. All of our machines are done like that.”

    Craft Brew Sally @ mid-episode — Reveals personal financial discipline regarding machine purchases despite FOMO-driven decisions

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyCraft Brew SallypersonZachpersonNicolepersonElvira House of HorrorsgameDisneycompanyFoo FightersgameStar Warsgame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Vault Program minimum two-year removal period with caveat that 'many will never return,' suggesting potential licensing/contract end dates for some IP

    high · Official Stern language: 'remain in the vault a minimum of two years, and many will never return'; hosts speculate Foo Fighters may not return if band unhappy with execution

  • ?

    community_signal: Flippin' Out Pinball maintaining strong dealer-customer relationships through efficient service and Patreon loyalty benefits

    medium · Hosts praise Zach and Nicole's service; mention Flippin' Out has Patreon club system with custom names/rewards; hosts recently won merchandise from their drawing

  • $

    market_signal: Eight titles removed from active production end of 2024, signaling production consolidation or inventory clearing

    high · Official Stern announcement lists: Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Star Wars, Star Wars Comic Art, Avengers, Infinity Quest, Elvira House of Horrors, Foo Fighters as vaulted titles

  • $

    market_signal: Vault Program announcement successfully triggered purchasing behavior despite hosts' prior philosophical skepticism about FOMO

    high · Hosts had planned April purchase timeline but moved it up immediately after vault announcement; recognize this as 'exactly what Stern needed this to do'; acknowledge the strategy 'worked'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community surprise/skepticism regarding Foo Fighters' early vault placement given recent release and perceived success

    medium · Hosts express 'Foo Fighters already? Wow. Wow.' and note uncertainty about sales performance; suggest it 'didn't seem like it should be on the list already'

Transcript

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0:00
Now who's responsi- I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my person? I say, I say, I say, pay attention now, boy. This is, of course, Foghorn Leghorn presents the Pinball Junk Drawer. You all asked for it. I say, I say, you all asked for it now. You're gonna get it. Boy, oh boy, are you gonna get it. Go, I say, go away, boy, you bother me.
0:25
And just like that, we are back. This is, of course, the Pinball Junk Jor. Big Show 62. My name is Foghorn Leghorn, and with me, as always, is... Craft Brew Sally, featuring Mish Bail. Yes. Boy, that Foghorn Leghorn shtick went away just as quick as it came. Weird. If you want to know the backstory of that, I think it was show, like, two or something. I don't even remember. It doesn't matter. So, this is a very exciting episode. Lots of things have happened. And we're going to start with the event that kicked it all off. I think we were doing, this came in when we were doing our regular shows. We have two hour-long shows that are featured on Radio St. Pete. So if you go to RadioStPete.com and look up the Indie Circuit or Saki Bamagogo, those are our two weekly, hour-long, kind of music format shows with some gentle musings. Some screaming musings. Yes, well, good times. But while we were doing that, an email popped up. And I said, this is kind of weird. And the email said, Stern Vault Program. And I went, well, what's this all about? I'm going to read what it says, and then we will talk about how this directly impacted us through the fear of FOMO. Through the power of FOMO, I should say. As 2024 comes to a close, we bid farewell to some of our titles as part of a new Stern Vault program. Vaulted titles are removed from active production. Titles put into the vault will remain in the vault a minimum of two years, and many will never return. The following titles have officially entered the vault at the end of the year. End of 2024. Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Star Wars, Star Wars Comic Art, Avengers, Infinity Quest, Elvira House of Horrors, and Foo Fighters. Foo Fighters already? Wow. Okay. It's been a great 2024 with four new titles released. We can't wait to share all the exciting things coming in 2025 and beyond. Now, there's been swirling rumors and stuff of what's coming in the future. We don't do rumors here because they're nonsense. But so I don't know if anyone remembers, but maybe two or three shows ago, we had talked about how we were in love with Elvira House of Horrors. And we play it. It's one that we play. If we see it, we're playing it. Yes. And we both laugh and we both love it. Well, because we did all those shows on the dubbed 420. Yes. We had a public access show many, many years ago. It was on for a long time. And what we would do is we would take old B movies and we would completely drop the audio out. And then we would re-script them. And then we would also put in like skits and punk music. So anytime they like Reefer Madness when the guy's playing the piano, well, that was set to some hardcore punk band. And it was a lot of fun. We did it for seven years. Oh, it was so much fun. It was a lot of fun. So these B-movies, I watch a lot of B-movies. To this day, I watch a lot of B-movies. I can vouch for him. She can. In fact, if you want to hear all about me talking about B-movies, go to slowrobotagogo.wordpress.com. There's a searchable thing. It's a shameful promotion. I know. This is the shill hour. Oh, so sad. So anyway, if you go there, you can see that we did review over 700 of these wonderful movies. Don't include me in your shenanigans. You did. I had no part whatsoever in Slow Robot-A-Go-Go. But, yeah, it is a heavy shill. Sorry, everyone. Look at me, self-promotion. So while we're promoting stuff, go to projectpinball.org. Give them your money because it's worth it. Yes, we have nothing to do with them other than we like them. Yeah. And we believe in their cause. Now back to the story. So we had talked to Flippin' Out Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball, kind of saying, hey, do you have any of these left? This was a couple, maybe two months ago or a month ago. I don't even remember what it was. I think it was two months ago. Yeah. We had played it. We came back and we were like, this is maybe the next one. And I know it's been out a long time. They had the Blood Kiss. They had the Collector's Edition with a piece of the couch. All this other crap going on. So it's not like this is a new title. It's just one that we really love. And it means a lot. And both of us love it. Yeah. That's a big deal. You know, we're not frivolous enough that if one of us likes a title, we get it because these are a lot of money. Yeah. So I reached out to Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball a couple, maybe two months ago and kind of said, hey, are these available? If they are, you know, I did. At that time, I didn't know if there was going to be another run of them. Right. Which is what we were kind of planning for. Like we had a bank account that was pulling a little bit from each check called the Elvira Fund. Do not touch. I used to say the Godzilla Fund. That was a long time ago. So then this email hit. Now, immediately I went, oh, crap. Because that means next year isn't going to be another run of L-virus. Right. Now, there's a lot of L-virus out there. It's not that we couldn't get one. It's just then you're either you don't get a new inbox, which is fine, too. It's okay to get used. The current used market is a lot of home use only, very cared for machines. It's not that big of a deal. But sometimes it okay to get a new inbox You know everything our pinball machines are very cared for And like out of the box it going to have a very nice home But like so I wasn worried about being able to get one But then as soon as you see something like this, you know, it's going to be like, whoa, they don't make any of these. Like immediately- And the prices are going to go up. The prices are going to go up, even though it's not needed. There's not a super, I don't think there's a super demand for these, you know. But then it does make FOMO, fear of missing out. Right. Oh, my God. So I immediately say, so should we get one?
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  • ?

    business_signal: Stern deliberately adopted Disney's vault strategy to create FOMO and drive end-of-year sales without requiring discounting

    high · Hosts explicitly note this is 'a Disney thing' implemented by 'a Disney guy' at Stern; acknowledge it 'probably' drove intended sales without sale prices; compare to Disney's Aladdin/Beauty and the Beast vault releases

    • 6:56
    Because I don't want to miss it. Just like the Godzilla, Krabt Rousali has spearheaded this purchase. I was still kind of waffling. I'm like, well, you know, we can kind of bring in the stuff in the map. I was like, but, but, but. so I reached out to Flippin' Out Pinball and Zach you know we made the purchase yep immediately I go into terrified mode especially since someone might currently be unemployed for not unemployed for a few days she's starting a new job congratulations on that we think this is going to be a very good thing so after like 29 years I quit my job and got a great offer at another company. You know what, everyone it's very common, everyone runs out when they leave their job and goes to a new one. Run out and drop 10 grand. Right. That's really kind of commonplace, I think. Smart decisions made. I don't think so. Yeah. Now I will, I wanted to say, first of all, congratulations. I know you're going to do fine and I know we're going to do fine. Yeah. We keep a very strong ledger. This money, like we're kind of borrowing against our money. We're paying it back into the savings. All of our machines are done like that. Either we save up enough and we buy it, or we save up enough and then we keep a tally and that continues to feed off of our checks until it's paid off. I know technically paying yourself back is a joke, but it's a way of keeping track of it. It is an accounting thing. I wanted to talk about FOMO for a second. Yes. Because I look at I have been a victim of it. Yes. But I came around, my brain, a few years back, I came to a realization that FOMO should not ever affect anything. Now, hear me out. As soon as one thing is made, it can be bought. Now, so you can't miss it. Like, if there is one of something in the universe, if you want it bad enough, that's the key. you can get it like it's not either you can steal it or you can pay in a crazy amount of money but if you can get it yeah so fear of missing out for like records or a thing or like a pinball machine that's only because you don't want to pay overpay for it and you don't want to like deal with people fixing the machine that you want to buy like we buy new in box because i don't need to refix what people have air quote fixed right or take mods out that are glued fast to something and ruin you know i want to ruin it like so it's like you're not there's no such thing as missing out as soon as something is created and you can you can you can put money and you can recreate the same thing do the exact same specs now it's not the original thing but if you really wanted a supreme pinball machine i'm sure as shit you can go and you can recreate one faithfully 100 100%. It's not going to be one of their, however many they made, who's going to know? Right. You're counterfeiting it. And if you're good enough, it's better. If you're going to do that, reach out to Glenn. Glenn will help you out. Let's not get Glenn involved in any kind of shenanigans. Right. Sorry, Glenn. He's an outstanding citizen. He is. But he does really great work on him and his team. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. that would be funny if there was like a pinball place that was real clandestine and all they did was make fake better pinball machines like if somebody needed one he'd be like you go and you talk to him and you're like oh yeah and then they make a fake one it goes out of a back door in a black van and then you deliver you're like hey check it out i got a new supreme pinball machine i want i wanted to have that crazy like thing that saw has where it's all like the buttons change. You know. That was freaking amazing. That kind of programming is what I was talking about. When we were doing our top 10 what should be made, when I was talking about eternal darkness, that is exactly what eternal darkness is. Yep. The buttons change and you're going into insanity mode. You could re-theme, the clandestine place could re-theme the saw homebrew into eternal darkness. Oh. Oh my God. This clandestine. Just copyright it.
    11:25
    Reach out if you'd like to purchase the copyright. Because you know what has lots of money? People at homebrew. That's really where you're going to get the money for doing the copyright. Trademark protection. We kid. I kid. So we're very excited. And a huge, huge thank you to, of course, Zach and Nicole over at Flippin' Out. They made it very easy, as they always do. And, you know, there's some dealers you can trust completely. You can trust Marshall at Little Shop of Games. He's a completely stand-up guy. In Lutz, Florida. And now that we're in this part of the world, Zach at Flippin' Out and Nicole, they've been treating us very well. Yes. You actually just won something from them. I know. I couldn't believe it. If you listen to the pinball show, I submitted a, what would my sound be or my name be for their, they have like a club, like the tribe, but it's for them. So if you buy into their Patreon you get a club name And I said mine would be Fried Chicken You living herbs and spices running with that foghorn thing And I want a Mandalorian Translite Nice. I had reached out to Zach after we made the purchase and said, you know, you can throw that in with the machine if you want to save shipping, but it looks like a Nicole is a little too efficient. On top of it. Yeah, she already sent that out. I was like, oh, well, maybe next time.
    12:58
    Next time we buy a machine and also oddly win something. I'm not sure what the percentages are of that, So we're both very excited. Of course, making a big purchase, I always get a little funny. Yeah. But it'll be fine. The other thing is Elvira's stuff does not go down. It doesn't at all. It's like Metallica. There's a few things out there that just, it holds value. Now, I'm not saying we wouldn't lose money if we tried to resell it. Of course we would. I'm talking about like those old Scared Stiff and that other one that she's on, like they're still like five and six grand i'm like those are old machines like she has that stroke like elvira name carries you know carries the monetary value a little bit more than others so of course yesterday after all of this we had to go ahead and watch elvira which i don't think i've ever ever watched it before i have i knew it i forgot some of the glory her schtick is hilarious So that was our big announcement We are very excited We can't wait for it to hit our Receiving dock AKA the garage Hopefully this week while I'm off That would be awesome We don't know Godzilla and Beatles And Dr. Dude will now have a new Playmate And that is of course The incorrigible Elvira She will add some darkness to our awesomeness you know, but reality is with all that being said about, oh, no, we don't have foam and all that kind of stuff, which is obviously not true because we made the pie like this did exactly what Stern needed this to do. Right. Right. Like this email. Now, we how many times has it happened? Yeah, well, we were going to buy. But this moved it. This moved our time frame. Right. So, you know, they probably put this out going. This will spur some sales before end of year. this gives a little bit of a shot in the arm to the distributors a little bit of shot in the arm to our sales numbers and then kind of you know like because i didn't want it to make it sound like oh we're above fomo no of course not this this moved us to purchase where we were going to do it probably april i like you know i couldn't i couldn't see us going much longer too late into the year but you know so how many people read that email and were like oh crap right i i want of Foo Fighters. I want it. You know, they're on, it's on their list. So they go, well, get it now. So this is probably doing exactly what Stern needed it to do. End of year sales in bump. Why not? I mean, without going on sale, right? They didn't put anything on sale. No, they don't have to. They kind of don't. So it was just, it was a, I'm sure going forward, they'll do this. Hopefully they don't go to the well too many times because otherwise it's like, yeah, whatever. Is this the first time they're doing this? I think this is the first time they're doing... This is a Disney thing. And this is a Disney guy. Yeah. The Vault Program. Oh, yeah. So, like, again, these aren't going away forever. Like, depends. But they could be. They could be, right. Like, if Elvira decides not to one-up her contract, which I don't know why she... She likes money, apparently. Right. So, I don't know why she wouldn't. But maybe the Foo Fighters are like, nah, we didn't like how that went and we don't like it. Right. Because that one didn't seem like it should be on the list already. I yeah but are sales bad for the Foo Fighters machines I don't know I thought it was a pretty good success like it's hard I wouldn't I mean I'm not a Foo Fighters fan so I would not have purchased it no we played it was a fine machine it wasn't one that I was like madly in love with it takes a lot for me to say to move the needle to I might buy this right and it takes you pushing me to buy it yes so which is weird so I think Zach and Nicole might start emailing you. Hit crap for Sally. We wanted to show you that this. So we got this letter from Stern that they're going to release tomorrow. Is there anything on the list you're looking for? You're like, why? Yes, there is. Why isn't Foghorn on this list? We don't need to talk to him. I'll take that 007. Oh, man. Yeah. So I don't know. It was interesting. So I guess you could say this is kind of like a Christmas gift to us. It's not going to be under our tree by Christmas. but that's okay. Whatever. Whenever it gets here, it gets here. I'm not going to. Right. When you buy something Christmas week, I don't really foresee it getting shipped and all that kind of stuff. Right. But that's totally fine. So yay on Stern, you know, I guess. A successful campaign probably from their perspective. Right.
    17:39
    To be curious to see how many of those get sold in the next week. Well, and it's the same thing that Nintendo does where there's the whole pipeline of like, it's filled with their consoles. So they have to like get it emptied out. So they'll stop making it and then they'll do something to like make everyone buy it. And then it's kind of clears that out and gets everyone a little bit more money that they need. I totally forgot that that was a thing that Disney did. Yeah. It was like when the first movies came out. Yeah. Like we were talking the other day, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast. The original. All of those, yeah. The ones that are watchable. Right.
    18:20
    I kid Disney. No slings and arrows. I know the Disney folk are a little bit touchy. But, yeah. And that's, so, you know, take a page out of their book. It worked. So, yay for that. Yeah. It's interesting. It is interesting. It'll be more interesting when I'm playing Elvira. I'll push you down to play it. Oh, man. You just wait. I know. anything else before we drop in everyone's favorite segment is that all that's all we're talking about this that's all we're talking about we're already at you know we're at our you know we going to talk about secret santa pinfight secret santa so we got our packages and we sent our packages we talk about that next show Okay But you have a segment you going to talk about Yes We rope it in Anyway we excited We will, of course, post pictures and all that kind of stuff when our pinball machine arrives, hopefully safe and sound. Now that's the next part of my worries. I'm going to obsess over will it arrive correctly and all that stuff. It's okay. I know it's going to be fine. It always is going to be fine. Here's everyone's favorite segment Led off by everyone's favorite song Craft Brew Sally Gonna have to put your journal down Craft Brew Sally child You've been to all the breweries around You've been running all over the town Tell me what to drink until I fall on the ground That's right, people.
    19:59
    And we're back. So as we were talking about Pinside Secret Santa and saying that our gifts have arrived, we usually just open the box and put the presents under the tree and then we open them on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve, whichever we decide. Sometimes Christmas Eve, sometimes Christmas Day. But I could see that one of my presents may have been beer. Yes. And I had a fear that it was leaking. That was the ruse you used anyway. You're like, well, I better check to make sure they aren't leaking into my mouth.
    20:37
    So my secret Santa had gotten me some beers from a brewery that they live close to and had wrapped it with cellophane with ice packs on it. Gotcha. So when I opened it, it looked like it was wet because of the ice packs. I'm joking. I know. It doesn't matter. I'm just, you know. So I opened it and then put them in the refrigerator, but then I decided that I should try some of them so that I could talk about them on my beer journal review. Yes. So, I received five beers from Grumpy's Brewing Company in Bakersfield, California. How big is it? Did it look big or is this just like a regular? I mean, because these places are usually, I don't want to say smaller, but they usually have a couple. It says it's a nano brewery. Okay, really small. Yeah. Cool. But the ones that I tried were Juice Check, which was a session IPA. um bashful beginnings which was a pelsner and then dwarf bubbles which was like a strawberry lemonade hard seltzer they were all good i was surprised you tried this strawberry i know but you did like it i did it was it didn't have a whole lot of strawberry flavor right so i think it may have been natural strawberry strawberries with the lemonade i'm not a huge fake strawberry flavor kind of yeah so you did like them all they were really good and what what are the other ones that are left um there's a stout and a hazy ipa that's really cool that's cool if they shipped them because like that kind of stuff you we would never get that no i was super excited especially a nano right that means you got to live in the neighborhood to get those like honestly you know that's really cool yeah so i know that dan the man always goes out to california so i wrote him and was like, have you ever been to this place? And he said he hadn't been. Yeah, all right. Well, that's a good thank you to the Secret Santa. We're going to do a full review of our Secret Santa stuff. That's the only thing that was open was the beer. But you did get a really nice letter. I did. We'll talk about that in the next one. Yeah, we'll talk about that next time. All right. So if you're out in, where is it?
    22:58
    Bakersfield, California. I know that name, Bakersfield. I know. It doesn't matter. I might be thinking of Baker Mayfield. Oh, maybe. So did they throw the beers at your face? No. No? Then it wasn't Baker Mayfield. It must have been just Bakerfield.
    23:14
    Bakerfield. Bakersfield. Bakermaysfield. California. Oh, that's not right. Oh. Yeah. But if you're ever out there, go to Grumpy's. It was really good. Yeah, cool. I'll let you know how the other ones are. I saved the best for last. Wowzers. And a huge thank you. Mm-hmm. All right. I think that's going to do it. We're going to go and look at the spot where the machine's going to sit. See, now we have to pull all the machines out and cinch them around. I've got to think of order.
    23:41
    I don't know. You have so much to worry about. Oh, my God. It'll be okay, I promise. As long as it plugs in and plays, we're good. Right. As long as the Insider Connect turns on, I guess. That's the important part. We can't play it until that works. Okay. I'll make sure that the Insider Connect light goes on And then we'll be like, oh, thank God. Yeah. And you already called it. You want to play it first for a while so you can grand champion it. Right. See how it is, everyone. I'm under constant stress to perform. Well, I never get grand champion. Ever. It's like I'm an NFL quarterback. I'm constantly under pressure. The pressure is right over my shoulder. Like, ah. No? I'm going to come for you. I know. I'm going to grand champion it after you. Oh, my God, everyone. All right. Well, we'll keep you all posted when that finally does hit and arrive, and we have to slide it down the steps very carefully, and then we'll – Crushing craft Bruce Alley.
    24:40
    It's mostly gravity. I try to steer it, but mostly gravity is trying to get craft Bruce Alley. I know. You know. I'm kidding. Yep. All right. Well, thanks for listening, everyone. This has been the Pinball Junk Jore, Big Show 62. We'll see you next time with an update of joy and happiness, hopefully. and money not in my bank account. Oh, it's already gone. Oh, God.
    25:05
    See you next weekend, everyone. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.