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The Pinball Show Ep 52: WIN A FREE PLAYFIELD - MARCH MADNESS PINBALL TOPPER BRACKET

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 40m·analyzed·Mar 15, 2021
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TL;DR

Tournament production praise, code updates, and JJP QC issues with playfield defects drive discussion.

Summary

The Pinball Show episode 52 covers tournament production quality (Stern Heads Up Invitational), new code updates for Led Zeppelin and Elvira, Jersey Jack quality control issues with playfield defects and decals, and community engagement including a March Madness bracket contest with playfield giveaway. Hosts discuss Stern's professional tournament broadcasting improvements and JJP's shift from offering blank replacement playfields to buyback options for defective units.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack Pinball is no longer offering unpopulated replacement playfields for defective units, instead offering buybacks

    high confidence · Zach Manning (Flippin' Out Pinball operator) reports direct experience with JJP's changed replacement policy; mentions multiple customers with GNR chipping/bubbling issues around posts

  • Jersey Jack's glossy decals are more prone to imperfections and rippling compared to matte finishes used by Stern

    high confidence · Zach Manning notes JJP's glossy decal application is 'finicky' and 'touchy' vs Stern's matte approach; caused quality control issues

  • Led Zeppelin code V.98 includes new Electric Magic Frenzy multiball, expression light customization, and significant polish

    high confidence · Craig Bobby (Stern correspondent) detailed new features in official code update

  • Stern Heads Up Invitational production quality was significantly improved over last year with subtle polish and professional layout

    high confidence · Zach Manning praised production design by Amono Harney, noting jealousy of quality as indicator of excellence

  • Anna Neal won an Avengers Infinity Quest Pro during the Stern Heads Up Invitational tournament

    high confidence · Craig Bobby (Stern correspondent) announced tournament winner and prize machine

  • Jersey Jack experienced playfield chipping/bubbling defects around posts on multiple Guns N' Roses units

    high confidence · Zach Manning reports direct customer complaints requiring replacement requests

  • Guns N' Roses code went from 1.14 to 1.16 to 1.17, with only 1.14 stable on JJP website at recording time

    high confidence · Ken Rudberg (Jersey Jack correspondent) advised users to hold off upgrading until stable version released

  • American Pinball has published multiple YouTube maintenance and service update videos for first-time buyers

    high confidence · Kaz (American Pinball correspondent) promoted new video content series on YouTube channel

Notable Quotes

  • “if Dennis Creasel hates it, I know there's something there”

    Zach Manning @ ~00:04:00 — Host reflects on how co-host's critical feedback paradoxically indicates quality content

  • “No one needs that much Velveeta. But it's like people that do the garage sale, and they show up an hour before you're going to open the garage sale. That's what they are... The vultures. We call them Velveeta vultures.”

    Zach Manning @ ~00:18:00 — Humorously coins 'Velveeta vultures' term for coupon-hoarding grocery shoppers; shows personality/casual banter style

  • “anytime that i'm watching some type of video or production piece and i'm jealous that's always a great sign that it is fantastic”

    Zach Manning @ ~00:45:00 — Evaluates Stern tournament production quality; indicates high standard for broadcast production in pinball

  • “they're offering, I think, the best option. I'm mixed about this, but they said they'll just offer to buy your game back from you. That was an interesting solution.”

    Dennis Creasel @ ~01:18:00 — Reacts to JJP's new buyback policy for defective playfields; indicates policy is unconventional and potentially controversial

  • “it's a hell of a lot better option, I guess, than giving you a blank play filter you're not going to use. But the other side of me is like, wait a minute, it's kind of a slap in the face.”

    Zach Manning @ ~01:19:00 — Expresses mixed sentiment on JJP buyback option; highlights customer service tension between manufacturer and operator

  • “I want this game... if you don't like it, you can shut up, and we'll give you your money back, but you're going to give us the game, and I'm assuming they're going to sell it to someone else”

    Zach Manning @ ~01:21:00 — Cynical characterization of JJP's buyback policy; suggests manufacturer reputational concern

Entities

Zach ManningpersonDennis CreaselpersonAmono HarneypersonAnna NealpersonTravis MurraypersonEric MenierpersonThe Pinball ShoworganizationStern Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Jersey Jack shifting from offering unpopulated replacement playfields to buyback offers; creates customer friction by forcing choice between refund or paying for replacement game

    high · Zach Manning reports JJP no longer offering blank playfield replacements; now offering to buy back machines instead; Zach characterizes as 'slap in the face' policy

  • ?

    community_signal: American Pinball implementing customer education via YouTube maintenance and service videos for first-time buyers and operators

    high · Kaz reports multiple videos published on YouTube for maintenance, service menus, code updates; tech service manager scheduled for podcast appearance

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Stern's Heads Up Invitational tournament production quality significantly improved; professional layout, subtle enhancements, and attention to detail praised by industry observers

    high · Zach Manning expresses jealousy of production quality as indicator of excellence; specifically praises production designer Amono Harney's work; notes professional transparencies and timer elements

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Tournament format includes time-based gameplay mechanics and bonus countdowns affecting match strategy and entertainment value

    medium · Zach Manning notes final match between Anna Neal and Andy Bagwell was 'time-based thing' with 'bonus countdown' determining winner; found entertaining but notes rules complexity for general audience

  • $

    market_signal: Guns N' Roses code stability issues (versions 1.14, 1.16, 1.17) with only 1.14 stable; suggests manufacturing/firmware management challenges at Jersey Jack

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:11
The Pinball Network is online. Launching The Pinball Show. Welcome back everybody to The Pinball Show, episode 52. This week, Dennis and I have a blast. Listen closely gang because later on in the episode We're going to tell you how you can win A brand new play field And a new pinball banner Also in the episode Dennis finally watches The Sopranos? Forget about it How to be a decent human being While at a grocery store A surprising early job held by the Creasel The Stern Heads Up Invitational New Stern Code You Make the Call Dealer Edition Hot Flipper Coil Action Path of Play is back March Madness Topper Edition, Pinball Market Trends, Velveeta Vultures, Nicolas Cage, and Peaches. Huh. Let's kick this shit. Pinball is a game of skill.
1:13
For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle. It's time for the Pinball Show. It's pinball with personality.
1:26
I wish upon a star. And away we go. The Pinball Show, episode 52, with your host, Zach Manning and Dennis Creasel. Dennis, how are you, my friend? I'm fine. Hey, you didn't even have a co-host last week. I know. Sad. How did it go? Bad. Ah! Why? Why'd it go bad? I don't think you're meant to be a free spirit. I am a free spirit. I'm a creator. I know, but bad things can happen when that occurs. I should be a painter. I would rather you be a painter than a singer, so I endorse this idea. So you didn't like it too much. What about the starting lineup, though, in your starting lineup? The Stern stuff? That was good. It was obnoxious. It was up your alley. I think you told me in the TPN Discord that that was the first TPS that you were reviewing that you turned off. I did, but I did go back and finish it because then I thought, well, what if some topic comes up later and I need it for this week's episode? and I thought I'm like obligated to hear it out. I got near the end. It was only like the last seven minutes or so where I finally was like, no, I just can't. I just can't finish this. Oh, the Pimble Market trends. Well, but the rage was already like building. It was like it was all just building. I mean, what would Moppy say? Jesus Christ, Zach, what the fuck were you thinking? That's exactly what he would say too.
Jersey Jack Pinball
company
American Pinballcompany
Flippin' Out Pinballcompany
Led Zeppelingame
Elvira's House of Horrorsgame
Guns N' Rosesgame
Iron Maiden LEgame
Avengers Infinity Questgame
Craig Bobbyperson
Ken Rudbergperson
Kazperson
Stern Heads Up Invitationalevent

high · Ken Rudberg advises users to avoid upgrading until stable version released; multiple code iterations in short timeframe indicates iteration problems

  • $

    market_signal: Stern promoting tournament streaming format as community engagement tool; broadcasting on multiple platforms (YouTube, Facebook, Twitch) with professional production

    high · Stern Heads Up Invitational streamed on both Stern and Marvel channels; winners featured on community Twitch streams; described as 'big news' coming from Stern

  • ?

    product_strategy: Led Zeppelin code V.98 major update includes new Electric Magic Frenzy multiball, extensive expression light customization modes, and polish improvements

    high · Craig Bobby details V.98 features including dozens of light show customizations, new multiball mode, and adjustable expressions; describes as significant enhancement

  • ?

    product_concern: Multiple Jersey Jack Guns N' Roses units experiencing playfield chipping and bubbling around posts; earlier production batches affected; defects appearing before machines are played

    high · Zach Manning reports customers with GNR chipping/bubbling issues; Travis Murray's Iron Maiden LE had chip by scoop pre-play; issue severe enough to warrant replacement policy changes

  • ?

    business_signal: Jersey Jack's buyback policy may be strategic repositioning to control resale market and refurbish defective units for re-sale rather than issue blank playfield replacements

    medium · Zach Manning speculates JJP will resell returned machines; notes policy feels like manufacturer is unwilling to absorb loss; suggests reputation concern

  • ?

    technology_signal: Jersey Jack's glossy decals more prone to imperfections, rippling, and quality variance than competitors' matte finishes; manufacturing process issue affecting aesthetics

    high · Zach Manning attributes decal issues to JJP's glossy finish being 'finicky' and 'touchy' vs Stern's matte approach; cites recent quality control issues on new games

    • 2:49
    Yeah, I initially felt really great about it. Solo performances are tough because I'm not used to them. So I felt really great about it. And then once you gave me the feedback of disdain, then... I wasn't going to say anything, though. But other people, like someone complimented something. I was like, no, no, no, we can't let that just sit. And generally, listener, what I do is if Dennis Creasel hates it, I know there's something there. So we're going to... We'll see some more solo shows in the future. I've got a real fun one next week if I can organize it. It sounds like too much work. I would just give up. Speaking of a lot of work, you've been working a lot, but I heard on a recent episode of EGP, I believe, that you were going to start watching HBO's The Sopranos. Finally! I thought I was, but it turns out Amazon Prime does not have that in their Prime directory of shows to watch as a Prime subscriber, So I instead watched Fearless, and now I'm working on Fortitude.
    3:50
    Fearless is a British legal drama. It only had one season. And then Fortitude is an Norwegian murder horror that takes place in the Arctic. Were there Vikings murdering people? Yeah, I think more like Fargo, but not funny. Oh, yeah. That sounds entertaining. Yeah, you know what else I made happen this week? My wife wanted me, what was this, on a Saturday, I believe, to run to the Sam's Club. Do you guys have the Sam's Club over there in Missouri? There is a Sam's Clubs. Okay. I haven't been to one in years, though. Similar to Costco, only better. Yeah, haters, you hear me. I don't go to Costco either, but I've been in one. Whenever you have a herd of people living in your home like I do, you have to stock up on stuff like that. So I didn't think anything of it. She was actually cleaning the entire house, listener, and I thought, and she was like, Can you run to Sam's, pick up the birthday cake, pick up these items? It wasn't much. I was like, oh, shit. I can get out of cleaning by going to Sam's Club? Yes. Sign me up. It's a trap. It was a trap, Dennis. It's a trap. Going to a Sam's Club on a Saturday afternoon. Oh, in the afternoon. In a town that thinks that they have to get their milk and bread whenever it rains. It was an atrocity. There was people everywhere. There were people ramming carts. It was like Black Friday.
    5:11
    And I have no clue why. You probably had to get into a knife fight to get that cake, the birthday cake. Oh, the birthday cake. It's covered in blood now. That was a 30, 45-minute fiasco of me waiting in line because you have to wait in line at the bakery. Oh, because you needed it customized. Well, no, it was already done. It was already done. Oh, it was already done and there was a queue? Oh, yeah, because the lady in front of me didn't get it right. So they had to make hers. I'm like, why make hers? We're going to bake it live. Just ask me if I'm waiting for something so I can go along my business. I get really frustrated at grocery stores, listener. Dennis, do you do well at groceries? Do you do okay?
    5:50
    I guess it depends on the circumstance. I don't like to go in the afternoons because that's when it's busy.
    5:57
    I don't love waiting in line at the checkout, but it is what it is. We have a lot more self-checkout now, and I usually take advantage of that. Oh, yeah. Which, it's slower. I mean, it is slower than what the professional can do, because I struggle opening all the little plastic bags. And then you get to the produce, and you're like, shit, I've got to enter and weigh the banana. Well, and that's the thing. And there you go. You see, that's the thing. It's like, if I get the individual, if I individually bag the produce, it's like I almost feel obligated just to have the person go and weigh it, because otherwise you've got to type in the little code. So, like, today, see, I went before we started recording. Oh, shit. And we recorded early morning. I got up early, early, and that's when I normally go. And you sprung forward. And I sprung forward, yes. So I went, and instead of messing with the – in the produce section, I got like the pre-bagged apples instead of me putting them in the bag because they have a barcode on the bottom. And I don't have to worry about weighing them and typing in the right apple type. So I get really, really frustrated, especially in a situation such as this. I was either going to throw a hissy fit or I was going to fight somebody. One of the two was going to happen. Luckily, I got out of there with my head still on my body. But before we go into the correspondent segment and the news and why people are here, I wanted to give you guys a quick rundown. Nate Shiver just like a, what does he do? A five, five fast thoughts or five something, right? Think.
    7:25
    It's been so long. Who remembers? Yeah. But I'm going to give you 10 quick tips. Just the tip though. Ten quick rules on going to a grocery store. Rule number one. This is a general rule. Rule number one, listener. Get your head out of your ass. You've got a purpose there. Get in. Get out. Rule number two. Use the shopping cart as you would an automobile on the road. There's right of ways. Maybe not put a blinker on. But don't just cruise in and out of these roads or these aisles willy-nilly like you're driving a mario kart no follow common courtesy of the road do you find that that works dennis just following the courtesy of the road yeah i guess so if it was really like mario kart when they fall off the edge they have to go back to the start of the grocery store i can rainbow road yes rainbow road rainbow rainbow costco rule number three get off your phone you need to tick-tock your ass out of the store if you want to check out your bitcoin portfolio that's where the list is in the phone oh my god but they're talking and they're chatting and they're selfie in it we're in this because they're bored they're bored tip number four at the grocery store stop fingering the produce ow they gotta see if it's ripe no visually if you like the peach you like the peach you don't need to molest the peach okay they were taught they were taught that you're supposed to picking up the lettuce looking putting it back stop that's where they don't want any little bit of brown.
    8:55
    This ain't no UPS. Tip number five, don't stand right in the middle of the aisle. Have some courtesy. They're trying to have equitable viewing of both sides. The lanes are big enough for two carts quick passing, right? Yep. That's it. No idling. Are you going to stop in the middle of a highway? Stop it. If you want to stop, go to the end of the aisle. Stop. Number six, once you've grabbed your product, get the hell out of the way. That lady just sitting at the pepsi it was the pepsi's sitting there carrying on conversation and i'm like this is where she feels at peace well my ass was about to just push her and her three kids out of the way tip number seven the grocery store don't keep circling the freebie taste stations i see you out there i just seen a guy yesterday as i was waiting for my cake circling like he was sneaky or something. Circling like he's a shark. Yeah, like you put on a fucking mustache and a big nose the next time you went through. I'm like, just buy the damn thing. Tip number eight, if the line is similar to Black Friday, maybe ditch the coupons. I think this all comes down to just courtesy. Oh, you can't ask people to give up their coupons. Bullshit. If it's busy, you're coming at the year. This is a non-coupon time. It's about victory with those coupon people. They're crazy. You do not. Do not mess with coupon people. I always pick the wrong freaking lane. I'm like, oh, this one looks quick. Nope. Here comes the Rolodex. Let me find this. Oh, my God. Lady, I will pay on your savings. Just go. No, it's the deal. Because you look in their cart. No one needs that much Velveeta. But it's like people that do the garage sale, and they show up an hour before you're going to open the garage sale. That's what they are. Oh, yeah, those people. Yeah. It's the same type of person. The vultures. We call them Velveeta vultures.
    10:55
    That's actually a good one. Velveeta vultures. That's a t-shirt. Tip number nine, you need to leave space for people to maneuver. You already said that one. No, but this is related to the checkout lines. Oh, okay. When you come up and I need to get to line two and line eight is just all the way stacked, maybe just leave a place for people to go through. Am I supposed to go to the back of the store and come back? No. Get out of the way. And the final rule, number 10, for maneuvering through a grocery store and to being a decent human being, I know your ass has got a wide load, but there is no need to walk down the middle of the parking lot pathways. You're not a fucking Volkswagen. Get to the side. They're afraid of car back end. Oh, my. People just walking in the middle. I'm just cruising behind them. It's for safety. I've got a big ass Suburban here. It's not like I'm driving a hybrid. You can hear me. get out of the way have you ever honked at somebody that was walking in the middle of a drive or in the middle of a parking lot no then i'm not gonna admit i i honked at someone who was deaf once wow see that's even worse that's like me telling people i i have to defend myself because people are gonna think that that's totally mean this was this was the rudest thing i have ever experienced. The rudest deaf person. Well, I don't know which one. All right. So here's the thing. I was trying to go somewhere. I was late.
    12:23
    These two cars. This is in the street. These two cars are coming upon each other in the middle of the street. They both stop. So there's no way around, like, both lanes, essentially. It's a two-way.
    12:37
    I'm in a residential area. They stop side by side like cop cars do when they're chatting in a parking lot, except they're in the middle of the road and they're signing to each other. Oh, okay. So that's how I know they're deaf. See, I knew they were deaf. Uh-huh. I sat there for three minutes behind them. No one's noticed. No one's doing it. They're just sitting there signing. And so finally I just laid on the horn thinking, well, maybe one of them can hear. And a person looked right at me and then went back and kept signing for two minutes. I figured they'd sign you the big finger. No.
    13:12
    One person looked directly at me when I hit the horn, and then they just were like, whatever. Do you think they were cursing you and signed? I don't care. I was like, what do I do? Do I back up like 200 feet down the road and take another turn? Do I call the cops and say, hey, I've got people signing? What's the law on signing in the middle of the road? They were blocking the whole road. Do you know sign? Could you have not signed like move your ass? No, I know like basic stuff like please and thank you. And I used to be able to do you are driving me bonkers or something. I had – my very first job was at a daycare. Okay. And one of the kids was deaf, so I had to pick up – and he was in my group. So I had to pick up some sign language so I could instruct him like you need to stand in line or you need to go to time out because he would throw rocks at people. I think it was the Brock kid. I don't remember. I was only there 10 months. I thought there was like a real cute chick there that worked there that she was hearing impaired or something and you tried to learn her language.
    14:23
    That sounds sexy. I got that job because I wanted to buy a car. And my friend's sister said that they were desperate for people, so I was guaranteed to get it if I would apply.
    14:32
    And so I did. And, of course, I hated it. And it made me not really like kids very much. And I did it for 10 months, and then I got a job at a bank. Listener, can you imagine our sweet Dennis Creasel watching over children?
    14:46
    I'm struggling here on that one. Oh, gosh. I don't know if I want to go into all the horrible, like, Dennis's first job, bad decision-making things. I don't know. What possessed you to think that was a good idea? It was terrible. I was like, I need money. I need a bike. I want my own car. that was what my thought was wow and hey i know you know it builds character having a job all right so i'll give you one real quick story this is going way too long but okay who cares so i had a they gave me like the the more trained people had like the really young kids so i had like school age kids you know people that were like first through third grade or whatever and there were these two on a mixed class like boys and girls and there were two girls in my group that they started to think it was really funny out on the playground area to pretend that they had fallen and were seriously hurt oh no so using dennis logic i pretended to call the ambulance oh okay you try to get and i and i told them that they the ambulance and the police were on their way to help them oh you threw the police in there yes i did and then they got up and they're sobbing they're like we're not hurt we're not hurt i said well you'll just have to explain that to the cops i was like this is a cry wolf situation all right so those girls parents complained so they took all the girls out of my group and just gave me the boys after that because because they're like well the girls were friends with the other girls so we're just gonna dennis we're just the parents didn't respond well to your tactics so we're just gonna give you the group that doesn't hate you i was like okay and finally with the boys it was hard to get them to do the basic chores and stuff. I finally just started buying, you'll appreciate this, basketball cards. I just bribed them. I was just like, this works great. If you clean up the table, you get to pick a basketball card. If you vacuum, you get to have a basketball card. I want listeners out there to know that when they heard the word bribe, that's a negative connotation. No, no, no. That is a positive reinforcement and that should be implemented. That's probably the best behavioral principle you could utilize there and it worked. That's a good point. It wasn't technically bribery because it was all out in the open. The daycare knew I was doing it, and the parents could – everyone was allowed to know. I was just like, yeah. I started using cards as an incentive system, and I found that it worked a lot better than being strict. Your incentive worked. The worth of it was enough to elicit that response nicely. Because most of them were into it. And if they weren't, they could take the basketball card and trade it with a friend for, you know, I don't know what other, you know, baseball card or I don't remember if Yu-Gi-Oh was around back then or not. But anyway, you know, they could do whatever they want. I just feel bad for poor Susie on the tire swing getting the shit knocked out of her by a group of thugs. And she doesn't want to cry for help because she's afraid Mr. Creasel is going to call the police.
    17:37
    They did it like three times. I felt I was relatively patient, but I was like, you guys, they're acting like they were unconscious and stuff. Oh, man. I wasn't taught how to deal with that, so I had to make my own creative solutions, which were not always appreciated by their enabling parents. I don't know which one's worse, if it's you yelling at a hearing-impaired person because they're signing too long, or me asking a person to take off their shoes and they're in a wheelchair. It's time for TPN Industry News.
    18:13
    Hi, this is Ken Rudberg. with your Jersey Jack update. Pirates of the Caribbean and Guns N' Roses designer Eric Menier posted a couple more times on Facebook this last week. Eric showed two more Guns N' Roses machines going out to lucky customers with drumsticks signed by band members. Both the guitarist Richard Fortis and the keyboardist Dizzy Reed were nice enough to sign machines for some lucky fans. I also asked Eric where he's been spending his time lately, whether that's on the floor or spending time in his office designing games. He said he's been spending a lot of time on the floor lately overseeing Guns N' Roses production. He said that pinball production has so many moving parts and players who make it happen and that it's definitely a marathon. So hopefully that means if you're waiting for a Guns N' Roses machine, it'll be on its way soon. It also seems like there's been a little bit of a hiccup with the code for Guns N' Roses. they went to a 1.16 and then right after that 1.17 and at the time of this recording the only version that's available is 1.14 on the Jersey Jack website so if you haven't upgraded your Guns N' Roses yet I suggest holding off for now until they have a new stable version that you can put on your machine for the pinball show this has been Ken Rudberg Hey, this is Kaz with an American Pinball update. I spoke with Dave Brennan, the tech service manager at American Pinball. I wanted everyone to know that there are now multiple videos on YouTube for maintenance, service menus, code updates, and more. These are going to be great for first-time buyers, so search for American Pinball on YouTube. Dave will also be a guest on the Slam Tilt podcast very soon, so look for that. And also look for the Pinball Show Midweek Edition. Craig, Bobby, and I are going to discuss American Pinball in games number 4, 5, and 6. So I hope everybody has a great week and has fun playing pinball. For the Pinball Show, this is Brian Cosner.
    20:17
    Hello and welcome to the Pinball Show's Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. Congratulations to Anna Neal for winning her very own Avengers Infinity Quest Pro Pinball Machine during the Stern Avengers Infinity Quest Heads Up Invitational this past Friday, which was streamed on both Stern's and Marvel's YouTube and Facebook pages. Anna battled her way through some tough competition in a very entertaining tournament and should be streaming her new game on her hot nudge Twitch stream with co-host Rebecca and Jane early this summer. And the Stern coders are certainly back at it with new code dropping this week for both Led Zeppelin Code V.98 along with new Elvira's House of Horrors Code V.1.02. The Led Zeppelin Code contains numerous game enhancements including a wide range of expression light modes giving players the ability to adjust and customize their lighting system across all modes of Led Zeppelin with dozens of mode and song light show customizations. This code update also includes a new Electric Magic Frenzy multiball, additional polish, adjustments, and bug fixes. Now on the Elvira front, owners can expect numerous game enhancements as well with their new code update including additional house turret interaction, additional polish, game enhancements, and bug fixes. So lots still going on with this very hot title from Stern as well. stay tuned for some big news from stern coming soon as the rumor mills continue to go into overdrive with what stern's next big title will be can't wait that's all for this week for the pinball show i'm craig bobby catch you on the flip side always great hearing from those correspondents where you had dr john he was just on the on the midweek i don't give a shit where he was at get some news john find another job another free job become a babysitter stern pinballs in the news this week they had a successful i believe uh stern heads up pinball invitational did you get a chance to see this i did not i knew it was happening but i was not able to watch it i've been calling this now the shoopies stern heads up Invitational. Shoopies. Well, it sounds stupid. Shuppie? Shoopie. It went on March 12th. Starting lineup of eight in the Chicago area. Yeah, so congratulations to Anna with the hot nudge group up there. Yeah, congratulations. New pinball machine coming your way. Now, overall, you didn't get a chance to watch. I watched probably the first ten minutes, last ten minutes. Some quick thoughts here. I want to give the biggest shout out to Amono Harney. wow she was a gold star on this production because last year it was clean it was crisp it was beautiful it was great she doubled that this year and they were subtle they were really subtle improvements they really polished off the entire piece and anytime that i'm watching some type of video or production piece and i'm jealous that's always a great sign that it is fantastic so i I couldn't have pictured any of the layout better. And, Emoto, if you're listening, I see the small little things that people think is just a general easy thing to do, but it's really not. I saw the transparent stuff that you were putting on there, the timers.
    23:52
    Fine, fine, fine work. If we could have that format and that layout, I think we could go somewhere in pinball. So it was beautiful. Beautiful. And then I watched the last match with Anna Neal beating up on, who was she beating up on? I think Andy Bagwell. But it was a time-based thing, Dennis, and I didn't mind it. It was actually, it came down to the last, like, bonus countdown. Really, really fun stuff there. The downsides of this whole thing, because this is a winner here, but the downside, I would say, if I'm being transparent and honest, it still was confusing at times, I think, for just general population of people. a lot of rules a lot of different things here and there so i don't know how we're going to get around that that was a little tough other criticisms it still felt a little stale a little flat generic insert commentator kind of thing i think it needs and deserves more energy because that was almost a distracting point and commentation should be the good point but that was almost a distractor i don't know if tim and jack don't have like a close relation i don't know how that is but the rapport just fell a little flat for me but overall i want that kind of stuff i ready for pin clash 2 it was a fun event nicely done stern pinball and nicely done on some code updates Dennis you love code updates Yay code Code update Elvira version 1 I think it was a minor. It's done. Minor update. And new Led Zeppelin code version 0.98. Big bump here and a big update indeed. If you've got the Led Zeppelin, got to get that 9.8 on there because that's huge. It's big. Some monster. Have you put it on yours yet? mine is no longer here.
    25:38
    Yeah. You hated it that much. No, I just let Beady Man stream it. So I took my Ellie up there and they're going to be streaming it on Flippin' Out Pinball's streaming channel. And did you hear that Joe Engelberth is streaming for Flippin' Out Pinball? I did hear about that. Yeah, he streamed this last week on Led Zeppelin Pro and had a blast. The whole gang was there. So I would encourage you guys. I think he's doing every other thursday on uh just follow us on twitch.tv slash flip in out pinball that was a lot of fun and we got some giveaways coming up too jersey jack pinball what have they been up to well it's been going great yeah there's been some recent uh chatter on the facebooks on the pin sides about um some quality control issues ah the old qc ah you know with old qc yeah you know me these standards have been going out i think they're about done with those standards now they've been going out some decal issues some questionable decal application processes uh-oh rippling yeah just tighten the flipper button a little bit too tight it's called because jersey jack on these newer games listener has these glossy uh decals so they are really prone more that more so than that matte finish that a stern or somebody uses they're more prone to imperfections. They're a little bit more finicky, a little touchy. And then also, our buddy Travis Meary. Did I tell you that he came and dropped off an Iron Maiden LE for me? No, I didn't know that. Yeah, his lovely Iron Maiden LE, he dropped that off. Then he took home Stranger Things Pro and a GNR Standard. I knew he'd gotten rid of the Iron Maiden. I saw it on his A-Pinball podcast. But I didn't know that it was with you. it's with me and he set up like he got the pin mix guy to give him a soundtrack that is just right up my alley with hip-hop and rap and stuff so i'm sitting there i need to stream it because if you guys want to see you know how beautiful i sing if you want to see the equivalent of that in dance form i can give it to you they do not they do are you a good dancer who knows yeah you do you know if you're a good dancer or not who knows oh i bet you are a fucking regular fred astaire aren't you i get those happy i can just see you being a tap dancer please tell me that you've taken a tap dance class in your life no i have never taken tap dance would you i don't think so a duet too old to begin the training you and i i think we could uh i take lessons with you tap dance you can get a lead don't step on my toes lean my head on your shoulder oh jersey jack uh quality control issues so it's not just the decals from what i've been hearing so yeah let's talk about play fields travis murray unboxed one with a chip by the scoop oh before he played it before he put a ball on there oh holy crap Oh, a yow. All I can think of is maybe it shifted a little bit in shipping. I don't know. How?
    28:56
    I don't know. I don't know the answer to this, but it's a good thing he's going through flipping out pinball. So I'm assuming he'll get the unpopulated replacement play field? There's the problem. Therein lies the problem. So J.J.P. here recently, I've noticed, we've had a couple customers with earlier GNR chipping or bubbling all of that stuff around the post. So we issued a request for either a new game, populated playfield, blank playfield, something. And they've changed it up. They're no longer really offering unpopulated replacement playfields. Wow. What are they offering, Zach? You've got a couple options here. Now, I don't know if this is specific to the customers that I was serving or if this is a general approach that they're taking now. But, listener, they're offering, I think, the best option. I'm mixed about this, but they said they'll just offer to buy your game back from you.
    29:55
    That was an interesting solution. How do you feel about it? I mean, solution in air quotes. You don't like it? Well, buy it back. Shut up. I'm mixed on it because, number one, well, it's a hell of a lot better option, I guess, than giving you a blank play filter you're not going to use. But the other side of me is like, wait a minute, it's kind of a slap in the face. I mean – I want this game. Yes and no. It's like if you want the game, I got to use the Amazon analogy. If I get something broken from Amazon, my main thing isn't to ask for a refund or to ask for a repair. It's to ask for a replacement. And I send them back the bad thing and they send me the good thing and it's done and no more money changes hands. So in a way, I can see your point that rather than getting offered a blank play field because most people aren't going to do a play field swap, I agree with you. Or it's going to cost a thousand minimum to have somebody do it for you. Right. Or you're going to have to contract it out. It's going to cost a lot of money that them offering you to get a refund for the game, but they're not offering to give you a new – that's like – what do you do? Buy a new game for the $1,000 more now? Yes. Can you even – if it's a standard, can you even buy another one? No.
    31:11
    So I'm going to stick with my, yeah, if you don't like it, you can shut up, and we'll give you your money back, but you're going to give us the game, and I'm assuming they're going to sell it to someone else. And I don't know if they want to come across like that, but it feels like that. It almost feels like, hey, Jackal, we know that that game's worth more than you bought brand new, so let's buy it back. There. Happy? I'm just curious whether if and when they – because I just – unless they're planning to, They buy it back, and they're going to put on a new Playfield then once they have the full game? Or are they going to sell it and then just say, hey, by the way, there is some Playfield shipping on this version of this game. But if you want it, it's the same old price, the same old $1,000 more price. And it's GNR, and you all are desperate, so you're going to do it. Maybe they'll throw in a dumpster behind the factory there. I don't know. I just don't see anyone taking this offer. The other offer is you get the washer kit, the carbon fiber black or the translucent. washer kit and then you're allowed to purchase a blank playfield at the end of the run at their cost or at like a reduced cost i think it's their cost but i don't know and that used to be jjp's approach back when the wonkas were having problems didn't they initially let people i don't know if they gave out the washer kits let people buy blank playfields and then there were all the complaints sure but we had customers that were issued wonka playfields free of charge if they were chipping well i heard that they changed the policy after there were initial complaints yeah Now you're allowed to buy that. They were selling blanks, and then Jack came out and said, no, no, no, we're going to make it right with everyone. Because there were pirates playing fields out of these issues, too. And they changed their policy, too. Everyone can have a blank, free blank play field if they have sufficient shipping. That's a tough one because not really a fix, and I'm still paying out of my pocket. I don't know if either one are a solution that I'm in love with. It is what it is. I mean, they can do what they want. but it's a tough one because I don't know why in the hell these standards are still having, why are we having any issues with the play fields? I thought we're done with that unless part of me is like, no, they probably had those already ordered and they were maybe some of the mix. I don't know what is going on, but it is very frustrating. So I want to do this, Dennis. I recently had a customer contact me with an issue in their opinion on quality control on a, what did it get? Jersey Jack Guns and Roses standard. edition. All right. So I want to play a little game. This is kind of a tribute to the pinball players podcast. I think Jeff with, with Jeff and Joe. Yeah. I think Jeff, he may still do it, but you make the call. Yeah. You make the call. Yeah. When he does the tournament stuff. It's been a few episodes since I've heard it. I know. Right. I want to do a, in tribute to that, I want to do a, you make the call dealer edition. So I'm going to present you, listener and Dennis, with a scenario, and you have to become the dealer, and you have to try to solve the problem or what you would do in said situation. So we know it's a Guns N' Roses standard edition by Jersey Jack Pinball. Shipped it out to them. They are in California. Keep that in mind. Where am I? You're in Indiana. Oh. Yeah. Welcome.
    34:31
    All right. Well, this scenario is already unrealistic, but continue. Hope you like corn and pickup tricks and Sam's Clips. So ship it out to him, and he unboxes it, doesn't cut the strap, still folded up, notices some rippling around the buttons. I would say one significant ripple around the button and one ripple on the other side of the cab under the armor. That was a very minor one. Again, with these slick, clear, it's easy to get a ripple. He contacts me and says, I'm not happy with this. And I like this customer. He's a good customer, good dude.
    35:11
    But he said, I'm not happy with this. I don't blame him. Spent a lot of money on something, and it's not perfect.
    35:17
    So you make the call as a dealer. What do you do? Customer's not happy with their cabinet decals. Now, you know as a dealer that you could probably get JJP to give you another set of cabinet decals. They would probably issue that no problem. So you could do that. Then what do you do with the customer? He's got cabinet decals, but he's not interested in that. He wants a game that looks nice.
    35:44
    You don't want to have to put in that time. Certainly doesn't want to have to pay the money to have somebody do cabinet installs. So rippling can be just unloosen the flipper button, heat it up with a little heat gun, and then once it cools, then you can apply that flipper button again. It'll be fine. Same with the hardware. What would be your first approach, Dennis? Well, I mean, I guess I would offer the decal option. Okay. And letting him know, though, that he would have to install them if he wanted to replace them. And suggest the fix at the same time, saying, here's what you can do to repair the one you've got, but I can get you the decals. Assuming he says no, what I would – He said, yeah, so that's first option, nicely done, did that. And he said, that's bullshit. I'm not – no, I'm not doing that. He said, I want to send this back to Jersey Jacks so they can fix the damn thing. And in that case, I think you'd have to say, well, they won't take it back to fix it. They won't take it, fix it, and then send it back to you. Unless they will, as long as he paid for shipping and then he can present that. But he's not going to do it. I know that when they were in Jersey, we had an issue with somebody who was an hour away with a yellow brick road, and we couldn't get any help from them. And finally, I said, Jack, just I'll pay the damn shipping. Can you guys not just fix this damn machine? I'll pay for everything. Just fix it. And he said, we're not equipped to do repairs such as that at the factory. And I was like, what? You build it. see because that would be my playfield solution saying aside I guess a little bit our current discussion on this you make the call but I think it would be nice on the playfields if they would make the offer of hey if you be it ideally it would have been the free blank playfield but if you will pay for the shipping to send your old playfield back to us we will do the part swap and send you back the populator. You have to pay the shipping to us. But I think they don't do that because they're smart because they could probably get a lawsuit at that point against them, like making people pay to fix products that are new. Well, but, I mean, that's pretty – I'm skeptical about that because, I mean, that's what I've – let's put it in your warranty terms. Well, there is no warranty. And, again, I'll give you another watchment. So I purchased a wristwatch last year, and it was defective in under a month. It wasn't working right. And so per the warranty terms, I was allowed up to two years for them to do any repair for free. However, I was obligated to cover all shipping to them to get the product to them. And that included insurance, so this wasn't like $4 shipping. Shipping a watch is a little cheaper, I think. It is, but I had to fully insure it. Okay. because what if it got lost in the shipment? Oh, yeah, that's true.
    38:44
    So, yeah, no, I mean, it's cheaper than shipping up. I mean, again, a play field doesn't – you're just shipping the play field back. It's not the full game. It's not going to run you $250 to ship the play field. Sure, sure. So my point being that they could craft their warranty in a way saying that we will do all repairs on play field shipping. We'll do the replacement swap, but you're responsible for shipping. They can put that into their terms. I'm sure they can. I don't think they'd want to mess with it, honestly. Probably not. But I'm saying that's something that one could do that would come across as – this reminds me of the ghosting on the Ghostbuster insert. Absolutely. And the whole thing about, well, are you just giving people extra play fields? If they think that they can fix the play field on their end, it lets them get it back. I thought minimum that was a good enough solution to me. So back to the you make the call thing. Another thing I guess I would have considered would be to do something like the cabinet shields, kind of like the, not full, I guess, custom side armor, but like the cabinet shield stuff that cover the flipper buttons, like the half moon kits. Those are like 18 bucks with Marco. So I'd say something like that, like an armor thing that would cover the decal damage. Okay. Say, hey, we can get you this accessory. There wasn't even any damage. It was just, it wasn't ripped. It was just buckling. Right. They'd be like, well, I can get you these aftermarket covers. People like them because it stops wear from appearing on the decal around the flipper button anyway. And say, all you have to do is they have like three screws and you put them on, but I can get you a set of that. That's a good solution. I won. I was troubleshooting something. He wasn't going to be happy with that. But I told him, I said, look, they're not going to take it back. They're not going to take this machine back. I'm just telling you, we can ask. If you want to take the time for us to ask, three days later, we'll find out that that's not an option. What's our backup plan? Because they're not going to do that. And I said, what about this option, Dennis and listener? What about hiring a tech to go out there and heat up those things and fix them? I offered that. I said, or ultimately, you know what? As a customer, if I want my money back, I'd love for somebody to just offer my money back. So I offered them that too. Return it. I'll be happy to return it for you. I don't have any other ones I can send you, or else I'd just send you out a brand new one and return the other one. I'll eat the cost. I'll pay for the shipping.
    41:10
    And ultimately, that's what he did. Really? Wow. He said, you know what? Thinking about it more? I don't want a tech coming out here. This isn't right. And if they're unwilling to take it, I want to return the machine and get a full refund, including shipping. ladies gentlemen that's how you go out of business but now so that's what you don't want an angry customer you're the middleman and the moral of the story is that is one example amongst many of why it's important for a pinball company to utilize distributors nah oh yeah i don't know I felt bad for the guy.
    41:57
    So I got a, if anybody wants a button rippled, I'll fix it once it comes back in. But I want to have another GNR standard. And that's You Make the Call Dealer Edition. I think you succeeded there, Dennis. Nicely done. You could be a dealer. No. You don't want to answer the phone 24 hours a day and messages and everything? I don't care for people.
    42:20
    American Pinball is not in the news. Spooky pinball is, though. TempGate They hold that little thing when you walk into a store Yeah, yeah, I've been zapped by those The phaser beams They do that, I guess they're doing that to flipper coils now TempGate, I don't know much about this, listener But I know that hobbyists are kind of complaining of flipper issues On Rick and Morty by Spooky Pinball And potentially them coming from an increased hot coil issue A flipper coil issue They did come out with a new code that tried to update and fix some of this But Eric Pripke, the coder, he's claiming on Pennside Like this is a minimal issue So is he saying the fans aren't helping much Or that most people don't really need to worry about Yes, he's saying Like it's not really a hot coil issue Not really a temperature issue Jerry Stellenberg came in because they have P3 board sets in them Right He came in and said Trying to kind of debate on whether the P-Rock board is responsible for some intermittent issues with flippers because some people wondered if it was a P-Rock issue. But people are having some flipper fidelity issues on the Rick and Mortys.
    43:32
    I've heard that from the beginning, and I had some weird little random issues pop up here and there, but I think code has helped those. So I've not noticed that. But there's been a lot of talk in pinball right now about coil heat and inconsistent power from your flippers. So much so that PenMonk on PenSide came out with these flipper fans that you install that keeps those flipper coils cooler. The last time we heard about this, I believe, Dennis, was like Lord of the Rings. People upgrading those Lord of the Ring flippers to a medium power.
    44:08
    Did you ever hear that? I think on Slam Tilt, I think I recall Ron once explaining some stuff about the flippers in that White Star era and that you could do some coil changes to get some type. You can't make the center ramp after that. I've never – It's so hot. I don't know. I don't think I've heard about heat issues and the fan stuff beyond Rick and Morty. In fact, I want to think Joel on his Just Another Pinball podcast, his most recent episode talked about that he thought it was one of his top mods to install fans, which I thought seemed – in most cases, I think this is going a little beyond what you need to do. I shouldn't say shouldn't. I think it goes beyond what you – maybe if you're putting in – And maybe that's what Eric Pripke was talking about is most people aren't sitting there constantly playing a game for two hours. And that's when you're, you know, the Carl DeAngelos of the world who are just putting in on the same game constant play is like most people in a home environment are going to run into that. People were asking about they felt like the recent GNR feels a little sluggish with so many multi balls and stuff over time. Carl D'Angelo actually worked with Penmonk to set up some temperature gauges during a lot of his streams. So if you see those number gauges, that's what they're doing. The mushy flippers on JJPs have been a complaint since Guas. Well, that's more of a feel thing. But it's more the consistency over time, whether they get even mushier over time. Right, but I mean, if that company's setup is such that it struggles under even somewhat compromised electrical draw to being notably sluggish, that heat's going to be more pronounced if it's something that if you've turned on five games on your same circuit breaker, you already see a visual difference on how the performance is on a JJP. Well, I wondered if it was the P-Rock, too, because now that I think back, I'm thinking about the American pinball games Remember they were Especially like Oktoberfest They had power supply They thought that's power supply We need to upgrade these power supply issues And then they thought That's an end of strokes thing The common denominator there is a P-Rock Between a spooky and an American pinball I don't know where the problem lies And I don't know the extent to the issue But people are talking about it right now So I don't – and then like Pripke was saying, he wanted somebody to test out duct taping the flippers for like a half an hour straight and seeing if there's any change in temperature. He said that's what he would be interested in because he doesn't think there's going to be a significant difference there. Can't they do that at Spooky? I don't know. And maybe they have, but that's why they're saying we've already tested this. They could do their own flipper coil test, right? They don't really need the public to do it for them. Well, unless he's trying to diagnose a specific issue with that. I don't know. But we'll keep you up to date on this to see if there's any issues. Stern certainly is not having any flipper power issues. Those things fly through your backboard. Or like in the flyer for when Daddy East first came out, I think they advertised, like, our flippers can crack walnuts.
    47:13
    They should do that on Segas. Oh, my gosh. Segas would do some damage. And poor plastic hollow stand-up targets. Speaking of issues, pinball brothers. it's alien yes we've got uh i think yesterday we're recording a day sooner so we haven't seen this yet short gameplay video coming on the super awesome pinball show facebook youtube i'm not sure it's a saps exclusive thing but uh we did get a facebook teaser of a picture of alien the head of it not the xenomorph head the head of the machine and i will say it's an interesting design I think there's something wrong with the photo perspective. Do you think the ratio is squeezed a bit? I don't know if it just happens to be the angle that they shot the photo from or what. Because it looks to me like the back box head is as tall as the pinball cabinet is long. Is it just me? Lights, camera, action kind of thing going? It's like a perfect right angle is what it looks like. I'm just like, surely not. That if you dropped that head, it would go all the way down to the lockdown bar. That's what it looks like to me. It can't be right. It has to be a perspective thing. But I'm seeing it. I'm just like, this is taller than big guns. What's going on? Even like, Lizner, you're used to the head hanging off of the cabinet substantially, right? But on the picture that they displayed, it's almost even with the width of the cabinet.
    48:42
    That's what it looks like, yeah. That's always a bad look. That's like when you ask your kid to draw a pinball machine. The head's always as wide as the cabinet body. But it looked very wedge head-ish. I think some wedge heads were all unison, weren't they? Or maybe it wasn't a wedge head. Maybe it was just an early EM, something like that. And how do you think of the reverse wedge head? Ah, possibly. But interesting design.
    49:09
    Very Circus Voltaire-ish. having the speaker panel part of the trans light back glass thingy interesting not an upgrade interesting actually it kind of looks like shit I'm not going to lie but I'll have to see it in person and see whether or not that ratio was just a uploading issue I don't know I'm looking forward to seeing how this thing shoots but then again I've seen how this thing shoots back at Expo in 2016 or 17 it doesn't sound like it's getting in your lineup it'll be in my lineup we're going to sell them People love the game. It'll be in there. Just quickly checking my definitions here. So the wedge head was when the top of the back box is wider than the bottom, and the reverse wedge head was when the bottom was wider than the top. Okay, so I am talking about a wedge head, I believe. They both taper. It just depends which part of it tapers. Yeah, but the bottom of the taper of a wedge head is kind of similar to the size of the cabinet. Yeah, and it would get bigger the higher up you'd go. Sure, sure. So when you fold it down, sure, it'll overlap. But it meets up at that apex of the hinge there. Yeah Yeah not a good look Oh this is a good look though Path of Play is coming back Remember Path of Play Yeah I remember I think I seen some stuff back when they were doing it I thought it was last year that it was announced that it was gone. Yep, 2020 kind of did its number on Path of Play. But Mike did a, I don't know how to pronounce your last name, Mike Premal. On Facebook, said the following, for the last two weeks, We have worked feverishly to revive this project in hopes of getting something back from what 2020 took away. We were not all in the same boat, and we all experienced a different storm. Today, we finally announce a big win for students. We will be partnering with a high school to finally see a vision come to fruition. Forget everything you know, Path of Play, because things are changing in a big way. This program will include two board gaming libraries, a Nintendo Switch gaming station, and a pinball machine to be placed in an alternative learning classroom. All of this has been approved by the school, and we will be making a more official announcement with them soon. So, yeah, they're calling it the Playroom Experiment. So it sounds like it's all very specific to one fixed location then. Yeah, so maybe this is kind of the pilot program of sorts. Yeah. Nicely done. Welcome back, Path of Play. It's always good to see a charitable organization getting back into the swing of things. Nicely done.
    51:41
    All right, Dennis and listener, we are slow on the news this week, so I thought we'd throw in a little segment here. And who doesn't love segments when we give away stuff? People who don't win it. That would be correct, my friend. What do they say? You're the taker of souls and I'm a giver? I'm a giver, Dennis. I don't think people say mean things about me. I don't think. I'm the second nicest person in pinball. How did you get that?
    52:06
    It was chosen by the people. I'm a giver, so we want to give more. It's March, right? And what do you think about when you think about March? I think about how daylight savings time once again messes with my clock. Once again, screws me up. But no, March reminds me of basketball.
    52:28
    Time for dancey, baby! You better warm up the buster, so it's March Madness Topper Bracket Buster Time! Freshman Females! Oh my god. Dickie B! Yes, I remember this. I can't believe it! Her entire performer, baby! B-B-B! Here's always an example of when the commentator makes it too much about himself and not about the game. Maybe that's why I idolize him so much. It's awesome, baby! With a capital A!
    53:07
    Love you, Cygnus. All right, so for this segment, we are going to give you the winner of this Topper Bracket Buster, a brand new Hobbit Playfield. Holy shit. Now, that's a good podcast giveaway.
    53:23
    Well, if it isn't chipped. Ouch, man. I will look it over and make sure it's not chipped. Ouch. Sorry. That was a good one. So we're going to be giving away the winner of this giveaway A free Hobbit play field Or I'm going to give you an option You can take the Hobbit play field Or choose door number 2 Door number 2 We've got a $250 gift certificate for a topper Whoa, one fourth of a topper There you go You pick a cheaper one You get a little bit more So your pick either win a free play field and i'll ship it to you continental united states free of charge if you're outside of there let's talk um because those are going to be pricey let's talk it's all dr phil let's talk let's talk no i'm not going to that all right so go there second place we'll get their choice of banner stern banner or what what banners are available we've got most of the newer titles. So you think of a newer title, we've probably got it first turn. Jurassic Park? We've got it. Do you have Turtles? Turtles we have, yeah. Stranger Things? We've got it. Wow, you have like the whole set. Avengers, Led Zeppelin, we've got that. Some of the older ones that they don't reproduce anymore. I think we even have Batman. We've got comic book editions of Vader and Skywalker. Deadpool? Deadpool we've got. Wow. Well, you have all the ones I would have thought of. They call me the Topper King, but damn it, I'm the Banner King, too. Banner Baron. The Baron of Banners. Now I have to look up exactly what is a Baron. What is a Baron? Thank you. I'll explain the rules of this giveaway, so we're going to do that. Or a GNR banner. We do have some GNR banners as well. Your choice. I've categorized 64 team bracket of the toppers, pinball toppers. So you're going to fill out that bracket. Dennis is going to do it live on the air right now. We're going to see what his favorite topper is. but for you to win you're going to have to fill out this bracket go to our facebook page i might be able to get on the website but go to the facebook page get yourself a topper bracket fill it out send it in but you're filling it out based on my selection so i'm not going to give you my selections here today ladies and gentlemen you're going to have to get the closest to my picks for best topper wow now i will say i'm going to give you guys a clue don't go by the straight down the middle top 10 toppers video dated why not it's why were you why was that video full of lies that was prior to stern's resurgence of toppers oh it's dated they had a few but i didn't hit the industry yet to change it to change it all oh i see so this is gonna be yes baron is the member of the lowest order of british nobility often referred to as a lord Sounds like a bitch to me.
    56:22
    That's kind of mean. I'm a banner bitch. So, yeah, Dennis Creasel and I are going to go through these. He's going to pick his favorites out of the 64-team lineup of topper, topper, toppers. And if you guys want a free play field or a big gift certificate for a topper or a banner, shit, we're giving away stuff. Submit your own based on what you think I selected. I'm not trying to throw any curveballs here. I'm just going with effectiveness, the looks of it. not so much even the integration so much, just what it looks like.
    56:53
    Whirlwind fan school blows. So, Dennis, you're ineligible, so not based on what I want, but based on what you like. What do you like? Just what I like, okay, not me trying to think what you picked. Correct. That's their job. All right. I'll still send you a Hobbit play field if you want. No, I don't want to know Hobbits. Let's start off with the first choice here, Dennis, And that is Guns N' Roses CE, which is that sound bar, right? 2D plastic, but a sound bar. Or Sega's Twister with the faux whirlwind fan. He'd go with GNR. He's going with GNR, ladies and gentlemen. I think so. It's a good choice.
    57:31
    We'll keep going down. So that was the GNR CE, kind of the top dog. And how I did this, listener, I went through the top 100, and I just, number one pick, whatever the number one game was on the top 100 pin side, if it had a topper, boom, I put it down. Moved it to number two. Makes sense. So the next one would be in the same division. The TNA Spooky's Beacon, hot pinball action, or Aerosmith's Stern. These are all factory. All factory. Right, right. I prefer the Beacon. I always liked the Beacon. I like it on Getaway as well. I think it's a good topper. Moving down to the Walking Dead Stern topper, It's like that head fish aquarium. Yep, fishing. Or the classic that is pin-bought.
    58:15
    No, Walking Dead. Yeah. Pretty easy so far. It's cool. It's iconic. The next one, Wonka CE has a mirroring effect to it. They made two toppers. This one in particular is the CE. It had a mirroring effect to match a back glass. It had an Oompa Loompa with a big Wonka bar. Or do you go high speed? High speed. I hated the Wonka toppers. I thought they were tacky. The next one. Iron Maiden. They made two toppers from Stern. This is the Egypt one. 2D plastics only. Egypt topper or fire. System 11 with that bell. Oh, no. Iron Maiden. You don't like that thing? Well, here's the thing. I do another podcast and my co-host Dog likes to ring a bell a lot and it's kind of turned me off to bells.
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    You should call him Tony Pavlov over there. Yes, I hear these bells. It's like the dog would ring a bell to go outside and apparently he's rigged it very aggressively. You're like, why am I salivating? Shit.
    59:16
    All right, next one. Whitewater. Oh, tried and true. Or the Oktoberfest freebie 2D plastic that you screw in the head. Whitewater, come on. Whitewater. Everyone loves Whitewater's topper. Yeah, these are going to be quick, the first round here. Ghostbusters. Ecto-1 topper. Or the Tales from the Crypt, the Data East molded plastic thing they usually do. Ecto. Ghostbusters. Man, we've got a topper fan here, ladies and gentlemen Dennis is going to go the next one Iron Maiden, here's the Aces High topper With the plane, the cockpit The cockpit is three-dimensional Or do you go South Park with Cammy? Up top I actually really like the Aces High one Me trying to find one right now is damn near impossible Travis, why didn't you just buy a fucking topper? Travis, come on, man Another number one seed Down in the South Bracket Jersey Jack Pinball's Pirates of the Caribbean CE with Moving Ship. Oh, that's a good one. Or Secret Service with that light bar. No, Pirates. Black Knight Sword of Rage, the favorite. Oh, but it's against one of my personal favorites. It goes up against the Whirlwind. It's so simple. It's so perfect. But Black Knight's like Stern's greatest topper ever, so I'm going with Black Knight. Man, Whirlwind gets knocked out in the first round. I feel bad, but in fairness, I could always have set a fan on top of any memory machine. That is true. Man. It's not the same. Poor Pat Lawler. Dialed in CE. Nothing special, but it only came on the CE. Or data East Jurassic Park. That one's not special either, though. Do you have the Jurassic Park topper? No, it didn't come with a topper, but it had the light bar for the topper. So I had the lights. I just didn't have the light. I'll go dialed in. Okay. They're both meh to me, but... Yeah, I agree. Stern's TMNT Technodrome Topper with the moving eyeball, or Rocky and Bullwinkle. Simple, but very effective with the Bullwinkle horns. That's true. I will actually go with Poitles, though. Okay.
    61:20
    Adam's Family Cloud Topper, or Laser War. Now, I didn't know Laser War. Oh, Laser War's topper is awesome. Laser War. It's pretty big. Good luck finding it, though. Exactly. There is a whole thread on Pinside on people trying to build their own because so few were released. You're a topper connoisseur. I'm proud of you. But it's really cool because the wave form is affected by the sound. It's really cool. Adam's family is pretty iconic, though. That clown. I don't care about iconic. Wow. Apparently you don't because Whirlwind just hit the dust. That game is overrated anyway.
    61:56
    We're going strong takes here. The next one, Led Zeppelin's topper. Remember, it does have those can lights that shoot around. Or the Beatles.
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    Zeppelin. Okay. I can't wait to see that one in person. Hot Wheels, freebie 2D plastic. Or Fishtails, talking fish. I hate that fish. Hot Wheels. Oh, man. I'm sorry. It reminds me too much of Billy Bass. That's right. What does Billy Bass sing? I forget the song that he sings. Well, we don't need to talk about the song. Okay.
    62:30
    Attack from Mars Ellie with the bouncing alien. It's hard to beat that. It's a good matchup, though. Strange Science with the actual neon. No, I love that. Attack from Mars topper. That'd be one I'd want. Yeah. That's a tough one, though. You've got to admit. Not for me, it's not. Okay. Anytime you put neon on a topper. I have enough neon in my room. I don't need it on the topper. Oh, neon flex. I want to give a shout out to Dave Brennan Who made custom lava lamp toppers On all of his games Sounds dangerous but he constructed it Well I doubted he used real Liquid hot magma Magma You think battery acid is bad on those boards He also used a shark with a freaking laser beam That's their freaking heads He's just waiting for Jaws Back in the top north bracket Number one seed medieval madness remake the House of Pain topper versus an underrated Dungeons and Dragons big ass topper. Yeah, I think it's just because Dungeons and Dragons is not a very common game to encounter.
    63:39
    I'm going to go with the D&D topper. Wow, you pissed off a lot of people there. Oh, boo-hoo. D&D, and they're both medieval themes. That's right. Both dragons. So perfect. Speaking of medieval themes, let's talk about the next matchup. Oh, man. Nicely done. Game of Thrones Dragon Topper by Stern Pinball. Very underrated. That was before people knew that they wanted toppers bad. Or the KISS Concert Light Show Topper by Stern. These are both fairly popular. They're both great looking. I like the Game of Thrones Topper better. I think maybe if I was a KISS fan, I would be more enamored by the KISS Topper. I know it's deeply popular, but I just think that the Game of Thrones as a topper looks more interesting. Thank you, Ron Hallett. Man, they gave me some shit on that last episode. They had Jesse Jay and Ryan Seon. Hmm. Man, it really, really beat me up on my singing. And then Ron had to come out and do, like, this beautiful encore performance of Thunderstruck by ACDC. Thunderstruck, yeah. Freaking killed it. Yeah. I bow down to him on that because that was better than Stu. Maybe you should have him be a host on this show. Oh, that's coming if he's willing. The next one's coming, too. Batman 66 is Ellie, Super Ellie cockpit topper or Doctor Who's topper. Yeah. That's a tough one. Both very effective. One has a, remember, the Batman one shines that signal on the ceiling. Yeah, and that's what I was thinking. I think ultimately I'm going Batman because of that. I always just thought that was a really good eye-catching neat idea to have. And it just looks good with them in the cockpit. We've got Wonka's aftermarket waterfall topper or F-14. Aftermarket? I thought we were doing factory stuff. No, it is a factory topper. So it's just like a stern. You could have purchased it, but it didn't come on the game. Right, right, right. So it is a very thick acrylic. It's got a glittering water feature, nothing close to resembling whitewater. Or F-14 Tomcats blinded by the topper. Yeah. Stroke. F-14. That's three beacons. I think it was three beacons, wasn't it? That's right. Beacons are beacons for days, yo. I do like beacons. All right, Stern's Avengers topper.
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    Effective, beautiful, 2D plastics, minimal, or more beacon action. Nah, I'll give it to Avengers. Lethal Weapon 3. So you're going to Avengers on that one? Yes. Okay.
    66:05
    Sorry, Lethal Weapon. Your blue beacon. Blue beacons, not so much. Circus Voltaire scrolls, topper-esque, or the Munster's cuckoo clock. I like the clock, Munsters. When it works. I wouldn't buy it, but I like it. Alice Cooper's Brain in a Jar topper by Spooky, which I thought kind of looked like shit. Or Judge Dredd's Eagle topper. I actually would go Alice Cooper. I think the Judge Dredd topper looks super cheap. Oh, it's so cheap. Stern's Jurassic Park, which really started this uproar with the topper prices. Or Monday Night Football. Believe it or not, listener, there is a topper for Monday Night Football, and it is an effective one. It's a 2D plastic of an umpire referee with their arms straight up making a field goal.
    66:56
    Yeah, I don't really care for either of these, but the Jurassic Park is better done. They're both plastics, that's for sure. Yes, I know. But the Jurassic Park one comes with code. Oh, that's right. Goat mania, baby. They still need to code the screaming goat in there. That was a blown opportunity there. back down to a new fresh bracket east bracket here monster bash remake with the molded singers or teed off and that rascally little gopher teed off it's so ugly with it in that little plastic contained thing i always think it reminds me of those. Put a quarter in and you get the little egg toy. Cheap plastic ring, except this comes with a rodent. It reminds me of Patty Check 2. It's so tacky, it's worth having.
    67:52
    At the very end, he's showing off to the poodle. Sorry, deep cut there. Stern's Guardians of the Galaxy topper, the Alien Ellie Beacons. Beacons, actually. Batman 66, they did an aftermarket topper for the premium. It was showcased a 2D plastic of the villains. Yep. Or the beauty that is the taxi topper. Taxi. Very beautiful. He's going taxi. Wizard of Oz, ruby red, 2D plastic, or last action hero, beacon-ish, but they're lights, light show. Yeah, I'll go with Woz. I'll go with Woz on it. I sense a Data East hatred with you. Deadpool. I voted Laser War. What are you talking about? Deadpool by Stern. that's one that is trending up because you can't find them anywhere anymore or and Deadpool it's a 2D plastic but I think the thumb moves on a little moment right yeah or the Data East The Simpsons which is literally just a 2D plastic of Bart saying like eat my shorts or something or play pinball or something stupid since that Data East game should probably be destroyed outright just Deadpool oh but I can't say that the Back to the Future can be destroyed different story well I'm not going to say that it shouldn't that it didn't I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't exist i'm just saying that if every single daddy simpsons was destroyed i don't think people would be sad and in other news one of my stern buddies is either ruining my entire existence for a grail pin of back to the future by telling me ain't happening or they're trolling me hard no they don't they don't troll but they're a friend they might be oh fuck rick and morty's topper which is free, comes with a spinning portal or Houdini did, they did make a topper in conjunction I like the Rick and Morty topper better and we're almost done here the first round, Star Wars R2D2 topper or Dead at East Guns and Roses
    69:52
    what was the Dead at East Guns and Roses like a vacuum formed thing just like Jurassic Park R2D2 I like R2D2 I do too and last one took five years to have him developed if they work elvira house of whores she'll scare you with that lid pops up or police force another cop car topper yeah no elvira okay moving on to the second round as quick as we can guns and roses ce again that was with the light or the sound bar or teenage beacon guns and roses oh there's an upset for dennis the walking dead head topper or high speed beacon walking dead oh is a beacon gonna make it into the third round here ladies and gentlemen uh iron maiden's egypt topper or white water white water okay so far i'm i'm really loving your picks here ghostbusters ecto one topper or aces high with Iron Maiden. Ghostbusters. Okay. Somebody loves Stern Towers. Pirates of the Caribbean CE with that rocking ship and a bottle or Black Knight Sword of Rage. Black Knight. Give me your money. Dialed in CE, which everyone forgets, or the Technodrome TMNT. Technodrome. Toodles. Toodles it is. Laser War or Led Zeppelin. Laser War. Oh, man. There's a dark horse here coming out of the West Division. I don't know why I'm keeping up with that. Hot Wheels Freebie. That was absurd. Or Attack from Mars Bouncing Alien. Attack from Mars. Back up to the South Division. Dungeons and Dragons Topper or Game of Thrones Topper. Take the pick of dragon. Yeah, it'll be Thrones. Martel. Fucking Martel. No one chooses that house. Oh, do they not? Early code they did, didn't they? Maybe. I don't remember. Batman 66 Super L.A. Topper or F-14 Tomcat? Batman. Avengers Infinity Quest Topper by Stern or Munsters Topper by Stern? Munsters. He likes interactivity.
    72:05
    Alice Cooper's brain in a jar that looks like shit or Jurassic Park Goatmania? Jurassic Park. Okay. There's his aesthetic style coming in.
    72:16
    Teen Wolf Topper. or Alien Beacon. Teed off. Oh! These poor beacons. Taxi. Nice molded topper. Or Wizard of Oz 2D plastic. Taxi. That's a good choice there. Deadpool. I read DP and I thought double pin. Deadpool or Rick and Morty. Deadpool with the thumb. Rick and Morty. Oh, he likes the fact, he's taking a stance here, that it was free. I'm going to appreciate that. You're just talking all up to him. It's free or not. This is your logic for me. R2D2's Beep Boop Topper or Elvira's House of Whores? R2D2. Oh, man. That's a tough call there. No, it was not. Back up. Ooh.
    73:07
    Elite Eight of the Best Topper. Guns N' Roses. CE. More sound, bitches. Or more head with The Walking Dead. more head or more sound walking dead yeah just thematically it's a really strong topper Coral do you want me to do one of those Coral is your head in this where's your mom put your mom's head in the aquarium you hated that last week didn't you she flipped the car one too many times Coral I thought that solo meme reenactment was really well done that was where I stopped the episode I know that was so fresh that was good it was not fresh it was like four years It's too old. No, it still holds up. White Water. Not how you did it. Oh, this is a tough pick, listener. White Water for Dennis Creasel or Ghostbusters. White Water. Wow. Was that a tough pick or no? No. Okay. Black Knight, Swords of Rage, or The Wandering Eye of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I like turtles. Black Knight. Laser War. Oh, this is pulling up the heartstrings here. Laser War or Attack from Mars? Attack from Mars. Okay. Now he's being reasonable. laser war toppers really cool it's a cinderella story oh god game of thrones show me your house or batman 66 super la cack pit uh batman okay he doesn't care about a flapping dragon no it's cool i like both those toppers though monsters cuckoo or jurassic park's goats do you like Goat Monsters. Cuckoos. That is a good topper. Man, so much was right with that game. Again, it's so thematically solid. So much was right, but one thing was wrong. Teed Off. Or Taxi. Teed Off.
    75:01
    Wow. We're going crazy. Elite Eight. Crazy. Is that how dialed in? Crazy. Teed Off in the Elite Eight. Who's going to be the last one in the Elite Eight? Rick and Morty's freebie or R2-D2's expensive?
    75:18
    LE versus freebie. R2-D2. Okay, move on. Boop, boop, boop, boop. Sorry, Charlie. Let take a look at this Elite Eight We got a Stern We got a Williams We got a Stern CGC Stern Stern Gottlieb Stern.
    75:38
    Oh. I think the king of toppers may be Stern Pinball. Well, they are trying to sell them at dramatically high prices. Size effect. It's like a market. Yeah. They're making a market. You know, they're really more a lifestyle brand. Oh, they are. I love it. Puzzles. Okay. When are they going to sell their puzzles? When are they going to sell Chapstick?
    76:00
    I put it on. Who's going to make it into the final four here of the Topper Buster bracket? Only on the Pinball Show. Is it Gimme More Head Walking Dead or Try to Replicate That Topper after 25 years, Whitewater? Whitewater. Whoa. Black Knight Sword of Rage, the heavily favored, or Attack from Mars.
    76:27
    These are both of modern toppers. I really like both of these a lot. I will go Black Knight. That might be 1A and 1B on a lot of people's picks, but they fall in the same region. We're going back up top here. Batman 66 Super Ellie Ellie Edition. You've got to shine it on the wall for Batman. Or Cuckoo Munsters, Stern vs. Stern.
    76:49
    Munsters. Okay. You're so decisive. And our last spot in the final four bracket is Gopher Nuts, Teed Off, or R2-D2. Both cute. They're precious, both of them. R2-D2.
    77:06
    It's all the farther you get there, Butler. In our final four bracket for toppers for Dennis Creasel, we've got Whitewater, we have Black Knight, we have Munsters, and we have R2-D2. I'm going to point out that three of the four are stern toppers, modern toppers, too.
    77:24
    But Dennis Creasel really hates older games. It's all about the new shiny. Who's getting into the final matchup? Is it Whitewater or Black Knight Sword of Rage? Black Knight. And Black Knight's going to go up against one of these two, either Munsters, kind of a dark horse there, or R2-D2, the one that people had a bitch fest about.
    77:47
    R2-D2. Oh, baby. That is... I'm going to give you a lot of credit. This is one hell of a final championship round. The finals is Stern Pinball's R2-D2 topper, beep-boop-beep, that took a fucking eternity and cost a shitload of money and was called an LE. Had trouble selling it at the beginning. Now try to find one. They're pricey. Or the Black Knight Sword of Rage topper, which I recently seen put on pin side for $2,400, I believe. Wow, wow. Both coveted, both desirable, both sterns, both interact with the player. Which one gets the win?
    78:35
    Black Knight. Congratulations, Black Knight Sword of Rage. The topper's better than the game, baby! Warm up the bus, 2D2! So that, ladies and gentlemen, was your bracket busters for toppers on the Pinball Show. What I need you to do is go to the Facebook page, find that bracket there, or a link to that bracket, fill it out. You only get one submission. Asses, don't be submitting all types of them. Don't you hate the people at the office that submit like five or six of these dancing? It's for fun, people. I've never worked at a big enough place where that was a problem. We'd have just a few people. We tape them all up around the mailbox area or something. So yeah, submit that to us for a chance to win a brand new Playfield of the Hobbit. So fitting for this show. Or $250 off a topper. Or if you get second place, banner baby! You might even let someone, if they don't want the Playfield or gift card, get a banner instead. You might be that generous. Yeah, that would save me money. But I don't have the teed off topper. Oh, it's a problem.
    79:42
    I'm alright. You do a pretty good little gopher. It wasn't bad, right? Yeah, it was pretty good. I've seen that movie so many times, and I do almost prefer Caddyshack 2 over 1. Call me crazy. I actually think more about Caddyshack 2 because Caddyshack 2 was the first one I saw. Me too. I had to go back and watch Caddyshack 1 because I was so young. Yeah. You know which one I'm talking about, too, that gopher at the end. Yeah.
    80:08
    Let's go into shutting this show down, but first, we can't do that. We can. It's over. Thanks, everyone. Let's do the sponsor plugs. Nope. Look, if we don't do pinball market trends right now, people have to contact their doctor because their erection will not go down until next week.
    80:27
    Pinball market trends. And you all did fail me last week. I had two wonderful, beautiful, sexy some bitches that submitted their call out, but that's far from 25. Maybe they were trying to spare Nicole from our fornication session of having nothing but a looping track. Pinball Market Trends call out. I did someone write in talking about how his wife got scared awake while they were driving because of the goat cry. Oh, yes. And you basically almost caused a car wreck. And they may have said that now that they think it's funny, but ultimately I think that showed just how toxic it is. That was filmmakers, the filmmakers, the Reeves bump in the night. They did the bump of the night. They almost bumped off a cliff. They're a big fan of me. Team Zach. But, yeah, Joel thought it would be funny when his wife Dana was sleeping on a road trip. They were playing. He was listening to our show, and he knew it was coming, so he cranked it up a little bit for a screaming goat. And, yeah, she said she fell out of the truck. Yeah. Sorry, Dana. Love you. Turning up this week is, oh, boy. This is hot. This is a hot game. Deadpool Pro and Premium. Deadpool is on fire.
    81:43
    People love Deadpool. It's got fun code. It does. It's got fun call-outs. It does. It's got a topper with a thumb that moves. And it's got a unicorn. It's not coming out of snows. I mean, what's not to love? Chimichangas? We're going to love chimichangas. Do you go with chimichanga when you go to the Mexican restaurant? Most Mexican restaurants do not serve chimichangas. What? That's not a real... I don't think it's a real Mexican item. Well, that's bullshit. I think it's an American invention. That's bullshit. Well, people can write in and correct if I am wrong, but I don't think it's authentic. I think authentic Mexican food sucks. There's your strong take.
    82:19
    That is not only a strong take. That is deeply wrong. No, it sucks because they don't even use cheese, really. I was in Mexico once, and they got a taco. no i want that processed shit that doesn't taste like actual corn they didn't have any cheese on it and i was like hey where's my queso you know most uh yeah well like a street taco is usually the the soft corn tortilla and then whatever meat you're adding and then cilantro and onion i think is pretty much all that there and plus what salsa you want to put on it oh come on no yeah chimichanga according to wikipedia the origin of the chimichanga is uncertain oh by some accounts that originated in Mexico and others by accident in Arizona.
    83:04
    Walter White's down there making chimichangas. Oh, man, no, I go chimichanga. I like a chimichanga. I don't think I've ever had one.
    83:14
    Looking at this, I don't think I have. Never lived. It's like a fried burrito, but then it's doused in queso. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't usually do burritos either. I usually do like a street taco or I'm a fajita fan. I do like the fajita, but you've got to give me extra cheese. No, I don't put cheese ever on a fajita. Oh! How do you not? No. Cheese on everything. It's not authentic. You're a Velveeta vulture. A Velveeta vulture. Mmm, I love it. All right, so Deadpool's doing well. Man, it's doing well. This game, it came out two years ago? Still on fire. Yeah, two-ish. Still on fire. We got some in this last week. We had a shitload of them in, too. All gone. and wait for the next run. They could run that thing for another five years and be good, I think. Can't order enough of them. But I could order enough of these. Trending down this week is NBA Fast Break. If you got one, sorry. You're out of luck.
    84:09
    Well, you know, back in the day, back in the 90s when you all were supposed to be into pinball, you didn't know.
    84:16
    NBA Fast Break was a game that you acquired just so you could strip the boards out and put into a real game. Oh, like in Medieval Madness. Yeah, exactly. Some people, yeah. Some people redid Medieval Madnesses out of Fast Breaks. No, really. It was seen primarily as a parts machine. Like Popeye. By many people. Assholes.
    84:35
    Fast Break's a cool machine. Fast Break is a cool machine. I'm going to give it a lot of credit. It's fun. I thought it was fun. It scores lower than a JJP game, though. You can switch it into point mode rather than basket mode. Is that sacrilege, though? I don't know anyone who plays it that way. I've never played a linked one nor have I I'd like to play a linked one maybe if TPF happens next year they always have a linked one there do they? last time I was there I seen one I guess I just never waited in line to do it then a game at the last TPF that I really liked was the Williams Harley Davidson oh I haven't had enough time on that it sized like the Gottlieb street levels it had no ramps It was their response to when Silver Slugger did really well. And actually, it's a really fun game, I thought. I even think the Sega Stern one, I always think it kind of looks cool. I don't have enough time on one.
    85:34
    Yeah, I've just played that on Pinball Arcade so much that I hate all the rules. And the theme does nothing for me. It's so generic.
    85:42
    But it's kind of cool how the Harley eats the ball. Trending down is NBA Fast Break. They were going, you saw a little trend last year. about this time about a year ago but now they've they've kind of come back down we got all these raising prices on nearly every title but this is an exception nba fast break you can get a really nice one for upper twos lower threes underappreciated game george gomez design and a really fantastic design if i might add really good design let's save you a little bit of money and go to our deals of the week baby i could do that all day long Bye-bye-bye!
    86:21
    I pretend he. Deals of the Week this week is a Teenage Mutant Ninja Elite. It's not mine, Dennis. Don't worry about me shilling. This is actually me showing some good support because I have one for sale for $89.99. I thought that was very fair. Low plays. Beautiful game. But this one up inside is from BroBraw. Minneapolis, Minnesota. BroBraw selling one. A Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Low plays. 320 plays. With some mods on it. And lighted speaker panels, a custom topper, about a tenth as cool as the factory one, but still something. And you get a color-matched coin door. This is a $9,000 game all day long. All they want, $8,500. Oh, Bo. Buy, buy, buy! And the ease of this purchase, I don't even know that this guy probably hates me, but here I am shilling for him. I like that he says he can pallet it, pad it, strap it bulletproof packet for shipping and he gives you a price on shipping it's usually $450 in the lower $48 makes it too easy bye bye bye nicely done man boobs bro bro do you think that's what he went with I'm trying to I don't know save you a little bit of money but if you want to lose your ass come on over to deals of the what the fuck are you doing here you fucker deals of the WTF this week we're going to go to I don't usually do this, Dennis, but we're going to go in this one situation to eBay. So this is free shipping on a pinball machine. This ain't a pinball machine. This is a Zizzle. Pirates of the Caribbean Zizzle. It's a toy. It's a trap. Free shipping because it weighs five pounds.
    88:01
    What do you do? That's not me. You could fold this thing up in a topper box. I've had one. They're selling it. And the reason I'm bringing it up on eBay is because people are bidding on it. Right now, the current bid, there's 31 bids, 43 watchers. This thing is going to sell, sell, sell.
    88:19
    $1,125 for a used-ass fake Pirates of the Caribbean pinball sizzle machine. Sell, sell, sell! John Papaduka, I love your designs, but this game is atrocious. But it does work. It does work better than Magic Girl. maybe better than Raza we'll have to wait and see 1125 and usually when there's that many watchers this thing's going to really shoot up at the last minute somebody's getting fucked not in a good way oh I got one more WTF for you here this one's on pin side this one's a fun cutesy one I'm not taking offense like the this one can be found on pin side by username HLAJ78 out of Monroe, Michigan. This is for a Cactus Canyon topper.
    89:13
    I didn't know they made a cactus. Oh, it's a custom one. What do we got here? Well, what the fuck is this doing on Pinside, people? A vintage 1983 Ronald McDonald Sheriff of Cactus Canyon lunchbox.
    89:28
    Hmm. Never been used as a lunchbox. Well, that's good. That's good. it includes the thermos still has the original tag and he said i did use it as a topper when i had a cactus canyon because my taste is fucking atrocious sell sell sell don't put this on your cactus canyon you know one of the most rarest expensive pinball machines and you put this 80 firm price but you put this shit ass lunchbox on top of it i used two velcro strips on the I'll just glue it to the head there, Slick. The lunchbox is not in perfect condition due to its age. Got some rust spots.
    90:06
    Get the shit off of Pennside. That sounds kind of neat. It is not neat. It has nothing to do with Cactus Canyon. I said kind of neat. It does. It has a name in common. Oh, my gosh. Creepy-ass clown. And who's the bird? Creeps me out, too.
    90:23
    The bird? Yeah, the little bird on the lunchbox. It's like a girl bird. Yeah, the bird was like for their breakfast stuff, right? Oh, she was the early bird. Oh, early bird, yeah. Okay. So, yeah, and then they're also selling some Monster Bash custom plushes. What's a Grimace? Oh, I don't know. But he is ugly. He's like fucking Jabba's nephew. I put him on my cactus canyon.
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    See, it makes more sense to me because it's funny. Jabba the Hutt's nephew. I do know of some really badass Cactus Canyon mods that are getting ready to come out, though, so keep your eyes peeled for that.
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    But this one, throw it in the dumpster. I'm going to buy this and make one of my kids take their lunch in it. I'm going to use it as a lunchbox. How about that, Halaj78? Okay, according to McDonald's fandom, Grimace was originally Evil Grimace, and he had two pairs of arms with which to steal milkshakes. Oh! Rebel, rebel. But after their first campaign, he was revised to be a good guy, and his arms were reduced by two. And they said that the commercials then were meant to portray him as a well-meaning simpleton whose clumsy antics were to provide comedic foil to Ronald McDonald.
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    Clippers and foils, that's you. You're the grimace of this relationship. No, I'm the cheery one. Everyone's like, Dennis, you're the cheery one. You're grimace. You're not the Eeyore at all. I don't know why older kids cartoons instilled fear in kids. That was like the main goal, instilling fear. Like Woody the Woodpecker. Guess who? About to get murdered. Well, I don't understand why parents today seem to be terrified to let their children experience fear in any form. Like throwing and shredding their presents up?
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    Well, I was thinking more like fantastical fear. Okay, alright. Yours was real life trauma I mean think about things like Gremlins I mean that was dark It was And that's what we watched It was very dark Even the early Harry Potter films Pretty dark shit And that wasn't so long ago Yeah I'd say that's probably the closest That more recent times had Was the Harry Potter had some pretty dark themes Some existential doom too Like what's the purpose and meaning of life Scary shit What do you think Toy Story's gonna do If it's a rumored game from Jersey Jack They're gonna have You have to have Mr. Potato Head in there right I guess it might just be art on the translate my idea was always potato head turning around his butt flap falling open and the balls coming out during multi-ball that's that would work that's a freebie there guys hey you guys want to listen to Dennis Creasel cringe here we go Dennis what do you feel about the fucking Mr. Potato Head shit of the one toy you're going to bitch about you can actually take the stuff off it doesn't have to have a mustache ass shit there you go ladies and gentlemen you feel that that's dennis being uncomfortable they don't have anything to do with pinball and that was like that was corporate's decision i don't think there were like protests and stuff that's like the dr seuss thing it's like people weren't asking them to make changes the company decided to and that's their right as a business opinion pollyettes i remember mr potato head came with a pipe yes and people were upset when they took the nicotine away from him you uncultured swine yeah yeah because teach it teaching kids to smoke was real smart another strong take i've been trying to binge watch it's always sunny in philadelphia people say oh my god best comedy series ever guys not really that good i'm three seasons in now i know we're closing the show but three seasons in now yeah ah you stuck with it Quite a bit. I'm going all the way through because people are like, you'll identify with this show. And I'm like, I take offense to that because all of the characters are highly unlikable. They're extremely unlikable. Are you familiar with the series? No, I've never heard of it. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia?
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    I'm sorry. Danny DeVito? Nope, don't know it. The Bar? Dennis, between now and next time, where can people catch you? I'll probably be over on the Eclectic Gamers podcast. People can email EclecticGamersPodcast at gmail.com or go to facebook.com slash EclecticGamersPodcast if they would like to reach out. And Tony has made it to where every time a bell rings, you want to hear EGP. He moved the bell. He moved it. I thought he was. We should subliminally start to condition these listeners. Every time they hear the goat scream, they get mad at you. We have already succeeded. We need a little tone or something so that they buy, buy, buy. But in the meantime, if you're looking for a video series, you can go to straight down the middle. Go check that out. I think we're going to record here soon. If you want to reach Dennis or I, you can also reach us via email at the pinballnetworkatgmail.com. And if you're ready to buy a pinball machine or an arcade machine or an Escalade or a stair climbing hand truck, do me a solid. Go through us. You listen. You consume. We're buddies. We're friends. We're pals. Even if we're not, I'm looking forward to meeting you. Most of you. Probably. some of you guys are questionable but buy one through us because we're trying and we did the uh the dealer thing today i we take care of people we really do you might not get that even from the manufacturer themselves your machine showcase of the week is stranger things pro because they're going quick and when they're gone you're sitting there with your dick in your hands gonna be looking for a premium can't get it so bye bye bye now we also have avengers pros in stock Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Pro Some premiums in stock Led Zeppelin Pro in stock Hot Wheels Medieval Madness Topper And Display still in stock Armor, we got some more Jurassic Park armor back Banners, banners, banners, banners, banners Golden Tees Sit Down Arcades If it's fun, I've got it Last week on TPN, we had the Puppet Pals Oh my god, Steve, why'd you have to take away the mustache?
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    You're really going to make people think it's you Because that's not bad It's not bad, filter that out a little bit Yeah, you could pass. I can't do Steve, though. Puppet Pals, they ran into Roger Sharp. Nicely done, and special, special, special thank you to Roger Sharp for playing along with us there. Yeah, I just imagine he's like, what the hell is this? It was a weird request, I will say that.
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    Because I am the, I guess, the unofficial representative for the Puppet Pals. So I speak on their behalf at times. So I had to coordinate that one. You guys, if you're not listening to that show, and I don't know if Puppet Pals will be angry, but it doesn't get the listens that other things do, and you all are just wrong. You continue to be so wrong. It's hilarious. But, Mr. Zach, how can it be a puppet show if you can't see them? We're just silly old pup. Just silly old puppet. I love you, Rory. I got some Puppet Pals merch we may be working on in the near future too. Final Round Pinball Podcast. You guys know about this one because it's damn good. Todd McCullough on with the fellows over there. That was a good episode. And Silver Ball Chronicles. Go check that one out. TPN this coming week. I think we'll have a midweek show.
    97:47
    Yeah, I think so. Sooner or later, we're going to have another interview on the Pinball Show interviews working for you. Matt Morrison. He got a hold of a pretty lively, loud, boisterous, very intelligent, fun engineer type to talk about pinball and their upcoming designs.
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    Stay tuned. And as a reminder, if you want a brand new free Hobbit play field, fill out that topper bracket on our Facebook page and go ahead and follow and like us there as well. And hopefully soon you guys are going to be seeing some new TPM streamers. Hopefully some announcements this week. And your podcast or something. But until then, for Dennis Creasel, I'm your Velveeta Vulture. And always remember that you can call in the Velveeta Vulture to help return your chipped-up playfield for an unpopulated replacement at cost. Stop, no. And always practice safe pinball. And stop fingering my peach, baby. Happy feet I've got those happy feet Give them a low down beat And they begin dancing That always reminds me of Face Off I could eat a peach Oh my god How creepy is that shit What's in Papa's bag Castor Troy Castor fucking Troy What was the other one? Oh, I love that movie. I do love that movie. Doves flying around shitting everywhere. I'm going to watch that movie again.
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    I could eat a peach. For an hour. Cringy. Actually, John Woo. I think that's who directed it. Yep, it was a John Woo film. Caster Troy. What was the other guy's name? I'm going to look it up. Sean Archer. Yes. Sean Archer. Caster Troy. What are American action names? Take your face off. Oh, man. I want to take his face off. At the very beginning. Shoot out with Somewhere Over the Rainbow. Oh. Kid with the headphones.
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    That's so horrible. And his laughing when he's at the prison. And he's crying and laughing.
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    I think that was the one where Nicolas Cage at the very beginning of the film during the credit scene is like in a chorus. and he's singing hallelujah and he's grabbing the ass of like the nuns yeah he's dressed up as a priest instead of bomb and then he just walks up behind this chorus girl just grabs her ass like knowing she wouldn't do anything she's that film wow both of those guys turned out to be really special individuals i would so take a face off too though i would i would go i would watch