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#45 Bobby Orr Power Play - The Classic Pinball Podcast

The Classic Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 17m·analyzed·Feb 2, 2021
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TL;DR

Detailed restoration walkthrough of Bobby Orr Power Play with playfield swap techniques and gameplay analysis.

Summary

George and Dave discuss Dave's restoration of a Bobby Orr Power Play pinball machine, focusing on CPR playfield swaps, detailed mechanical adjustments (particularly 10 star rollovers and drop target alignment), and the game's design philosophy. They cover the game's hockey theme, licensing choices (Blackhawks vs. Bruins), and compare it to contemporary symmetrical games like Mata Hari and Night Rider.

Key Claims

  • Bobby Orr Power Play has 10 star rollovers that require extensive clearcoat removal and precise alignment during playfield swaps

    high confidence · Dave describing his restoration work; confirmed by George checking CPR playfield documentation

  • CPR uses laser marking instead of traditional dimpling for playfield hole positioning in short runs

    medium confidence · Dave's observation comparing old nail-bed dimpling to new laser dimple marks on CPR playfields

  • CPR changed from silkscreen to inkjet printing process for playfield artwork

    medium confidence · Dave mentioning 'new inkjet process' versus 'silkscreen process' and noting visible spray pattern differences

  • Reese Rails (side rail manufacturer) is currently unable to source materials due to lumberyard supply issues

    medium confidence · Dave: 'His local lumberyard or whoever his source is hasn't been able to get him the right kind of wood or dimensions'

  • Bobby Orr Power Play was made by Bally in Chicago, using Blackhawks instead of Bruins partly because Chicago was Bally's location

    medium confidence · George's analysis: 'Bally was made in Chicago. Chicago is Bally... He's right here on the doorstep'

  • Bobby Orr Power Play is ranked #204 on PinSide rankings

    high confidence · Dave: 'I guess it's number 204 on the pin side ranking, whatever that means'

  • Over 13,000 Bobby Orr Power Play machines were made

    high confidence · George: 'Over 13,000 of them made'

  • Bobby Orr Power Play was the second game with a pop-up post in the middle of the playfield

    medium confidence · George: 'I think it was the second game with a pop-up post in the middle of the play field'

Notable Quotes

  • “So you've got to kind of, you know, have a lot of patience and really, you know, customize where you're putting things to get it just right.”

    Dave @ ~05:30 — Describes the meticulous work required for CPR playfield swaps, a key technical challenge in restoration

  • “So now you have a bunch of built-up clear, and you are not getting that white star roller into the whole assembly. It won't go in. You have to get rid of the clear.”

    Dave @ ~10:45 — Identifies a major problem with CPR playfield clearcoat application that affects star roller installation

  • “It's like 100 spots you have to hit. And plus you have to go through each of the holes where the star rollover goes in to sit up and down in there. That's like another 10. So you get 110 things to do on this thing to address.”

    Dave @ ~12:00 — Quantifies the labor intensity of star roller installation on Bobby Orr Power Play

  • “I use a Dremel with a really fine diamond tip on it. And I get in there and just kind of zip, zip, zip. And I can get it done pretty quickly now.”

    Dave @ ~13:30 — Shares a practical restoration shortcut for clearing epoxy/clearcoat from star roller holes

  • “Well, it says Canada, so it's not even Canadians. It's a subtle thing that people look at it quick and they think Canadians, but they're actually saying Canada.”

    George @ ~32:00 — Identifies Bally's clever licensing workaround to avoid paying licensing fees for Canadiens/Maple Leafs branding

  • “Bobby Orr is he's not in a Bruins uniform, a Blackhawks uniform. Right. The other weird part about it is he doesn't play another hockey team. He plays the Canadian team.”

    George @ ~29:15 — Notes the inconsistency of featuring Bobby Orr (famous Bruins player) in Blackhawks uniform on the machine

  • “It's a fun little game. I think it was the second game with a pop-up post in the middle of the play field.”

    George @ ~21:00 — Places Bobby Orr Power Play in historical context of pinball design innovation

Entities

Bobby Orr Power PlaygameDavepersonGeorgepersonCPRcompanyReese RailspersonMata HarigameNight RidergameMaureenperson

Signals

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Detailed technical walkthrough of CPR playfield swap challenges on Bobby Orr Power Play, including clearcoat buildup in star roller holes, pre-drilling requirements, T-nut installation, and alignment finessing

    high · Dave's detailed descriptions of 110+ individual tasks required (100 clearcoat removal spots + 10 hole adjustments); Dremel-based solution; pre-drilling with Forrester bits; anchor bolt rounding techniques

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: CPR transitioning from traditional nail-bed dimpling to laser marking for playfield hole positioning; shift from silkscreen to inkjet printing process

    medium · Dave observing laser-burned pinhole dimples instead of traditional pressed dimples; noting spray pattern visible on inkjet versus uniform silkscreen; Dave attributing this to short-run economics

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Reese Rails (custom side rail manufacturer) halted production due to inability to source required wood dimensions from suppliers

    high · Dave: 'His local lumberyard or whoever his source is hasn't been able to get him the right kind of wood or dimensions. So he's basically pitched it for a while'; notes pent-up demand as wait times extend

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Dave developed workaround for worn side rails: two-part wood epoxy applied to divot holes, sanded smooth, repainted—achieves results comparable to Reese Rails replacement rails

    high · Dave describing his two-part clay epoxy method: 'took some two-part clay epoxy, wood clay epoxy, threw it in there, sanded it all down nice, and then gave it a fresh coat of the same red kind of paint. And they came out really nice'

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Or fights to keep it in, does, has it in the corner to Sanderson, back in front door, shot, scores! Bobby O from Sanderson! and what could be better than that as they beat St. Louis 4-3 Orr to Sanderson back to Orr and they go wild and Orr fell down in the corner and they have surrounded him what a scene John after 40 seconds of play Bobby Orr
0:54
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George and today I'm joined by my co-host Dave. Hello Dave. Hello there George.
1:10
Today finds us at the beginning of hockey season. And Dave, by coincidence, has been working on a Bobby Orr power play. Please tell us about your latest restoration. all right so this bobby or power play this is uh picked up from a customer oh several months ago and uh was waiting for a uh cpr to do a new play field for it because this was pretty trashed and cpr was doing a short run and i snagged one of theirs several months back and uh yeah so going through and doing a swap on this um as well uh needed some connectors done i actually did this one of my early restorations many, many years ago. And as you know, when you start to, you know, I'm always learning. And I go back and look what it is like. Oh, I do a whole different thing now. I've improved my processes over the years. So now I'm kind of doing a re-restore on it. So the biggest thing is doing the CPR swap. It had, I think it has nine, no, I think it has 10. One, two, three, let me count, three, oh, 10 star rollovers. Correct, there are 10 rollovers. I knew you were going to talk about that, but rewind for a second. This game is one from your collection, correct?
2:26
This game was, I'm trying to think here. No, I think this is actually the customer's game way back when, like 10, 15 years ago when I did a restoration that long ago. And then he played the crap out of it, had some, I think he moved it at one point, had some issues. And then so recently I said I want to get it restored again, you know, like many years later. Oh, gotcha. So he's going for the grand refresh. Yeah, the grand refresh, all the new stuff. And really, you know, the play fields weren't available for this game back then. And I was doing some, you know, some meager touch up on it. But the play field was kind of shoddy. It was kind of flaking and so forth with paint. So you really, you know, hard pressed to bring that back. So new play field, clear coat, and that was the way to go. And, you know, Kevin's pretty nice back. That's gorgeous.

  • “I would say top five from the late 70s, from that 70s genre. Well, maybe even from a Chimer aspect, from the Chime games.”

    Dave @ ~42:00 — Dave ranks Bobby Orr Power Play among the best games of the late 1970s era

    • Bally
    company
    Bobby Orrperson
    The Chicken Bonevenue
    Esposito'svenue
    Phil Espositoperson
    Classic Pinball Podcastorganization
    PinSideorganization
    WSBKorganization
    Maya Gottliebperson
    Dave Christensenperson

    historical_signal: Evidence that Bobby Orr Power Play and some contemporaries (Mata Hari, Night Rider) were on the cusp of EM/Solid State transition; Night Rider cabinet had mounting holes for EM relay boards despite being built as Solid State

    high · Dave noting Knight Rider has 'mounting holes for a bottom relay board for an EM machine' and 'braces... threaded holes... with a little T-nut... that would actually hold the bottom relay board if it was an EM'; George confirming Mata Hari had EM counterpart

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Bally used generic 'Canada' branding with maple leaf on Bobby Orr Power Play to avoid licensing fees for specific team (Canadiens/Maple Leafs), creating impression of Canadian team without paying royalties

    medium · George analyzing: 'they're taking the maple leaf, which is Toronto's insignia, but they're not putting Toronto on it... It's a combo to get around any kind of royalties or whatever'; George drawing parallel to Fonzie 8-Ball licensing strategy

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Bobby Orr depicted in Blackhawks uniform (rather than famous Bruins tenure) partly due to Bally being Chicago-based, choosing local team despite Orr's greater fame with Boston

    medium · George's theory: 'Bally was made in Chicago. Chicago is Bally... He's right here on the doorstep. We're doing everything with Dolly Parton and Evel Knievel... He's a known hockey entity. Let's make a game around him'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Bobby Orr Power Play #204 on PinSide rankings; over 13,000 machines produced; noted as 'fun player's game' with lower collector prestige compared to Mata Hari

    high · Dave: '#204 on the pin side ranking'; George: 'Over 13,000 of them made'; George's ranking: Bobby Orr #1, Mata Hari #2, Night Rider 'distant third' among symmetrical games

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Bobby Orr Power Play designer intentionally widened outlanes and gap between flippers to compensate for player advantage of play-more post; conservative vs. liberal drop target settings allow rule adjustability

    high · George noting: 'I think they figure as well we're giving you a gimme with the play more post so we're gonna take something away when it's down to make it a little tougher for you'; Dave noting conservative/liberal modes affect drop target reset behavior and multiplier strategy

  • ?

    operational_signal: Bobby Orr Power Play was a strong revenue performer at location venues (bars) in the late 1970s; specific examples cited at Chicken Bone (Vermont) and Esposito's (New Jersey)

    high · George: 'That machine made more money. I know how much money I put into it... That thing was just a goldmine. That game was an earner'; noting he and friends put substantial money into machine at Esposito's

  • ?

    design_innovation: Bobby Orr Power Play was the second pinball game to feature a pop-up post (play-more post) in the middle of the playfield; mechanical innovation that influenced playfield geometry and difficulty

    medium · George: 'I think it was the second game with a pop-up post in the middle of the play field. The play more post, middle of the flippers, yes'

    • 3:13
    You know, redid the connectors and everything else like that and just made sure everything was cool and done. But the biggest thing is taking everything off the play field and swapping it over and going through and lining things up because a lot of times when they do the punch holes where you're going to put things, a lot of times those aren't exactly where they should be. They're a little bit off. So you've got to kind of, you know, have a lot of patience and really, you know, customize where you're putting things to get it just right. So have the drop targets right up against the slot where they come up and not too far back because then you'll get valley bricks. If you come up nice and close, you'll get them to fall apart properly or at least a better shot. I'd like to interrupt for a second. I have a question.
    4:00
    When you say the play field is marked, are there – I don't remember on this game. Are there any posts that go all the way through so you don't have an opportunity to move it, or is it just dimpled, as they say, with just a mark that says, hey, we think it goes here?
    4:22
    Well, this hole is all the way through, as you know. You're not going to do anything with those, and those are pretty close where they get a beat. These are like dimples. Okay, that's what I'm getting at. So those are fairly accurate. It's everything else that screws the mechanism to the play field to hold it in place. Yeah, the dimpling. And actually, the weird thing is that years ago, it was dimpling like they kind of like pressed a nail or some kind of like nail bed, boom, until they get into the back of the play field and maybe even in the front of the play field and clear it and color it back and stuff. But that's in the back. And these days, it looks like they're taking some kind of laser situation where they're like a really small laser circle, like almost like a pinhole. And those are like the marks, the laser marks on there. And it's kind of burned the wood and kind of made a slight little dimple, like a laser dimple. that's what they're doing now it looks like to me yeah that's what it looks like that's definitely different i would think it would be more automated where there'd be a gigantic press that would come down but with short runs i'm guessing that's probably not very cost efficient yeah i don't think a billion if you're making a billion of something it makes sense but if you're only making a couple hundred if they're making that right how many could they possibly make they're making short runs so i think they're making like a run of maybe a run of 50 a run of 100 you know run of 20 uh you know they're doing short runs now because they can do with the new um new inkjet process they're doing instead of doing a uh what's it called with the silkscreen process they're doing inkjet and uh at least i think they are but the colors are pretty darn close but you definitely can tell like we talked about a while ago about paragon field i got from them versus the newell stock when i have you can you go right up close to where you know right up to it, you can tell a difference.
    6:08
    Because you can see like a spray pattern on the inkjet on the other one. Soak screen, you can't. You know, on like gradation of color. As we've said before, Dave, people are grateful that there's one even available if they have a roached out game. Exactly. And from players' perspective, you're not telling a difference. It's fine. You know, it's, you know, most people are going to put their nose right up to it. Or if they are, they're going to do it once and then say forget it and just keep playing, you know. Right. That's exactly right. Well, that leads me to my game, which I own, Bobby War Power Play, and mine's definitely a player's game, no question about it. But it's such a fun game. I don't really care, you know. It's a go-to game. I don't care if it, you know, gets pocked up, marked up, whatever. I just love playing it. It's a great game.
    7:01
    Yeah, it's a fun game. I do like Mata Hari a little better, but it's kind of nice to have a Bobby Orr to play test. It's like the thing that's a killer with this game, as you know, is with those drop targets on Bobby Orr, just like almost vertical in the middle, it's really hard to get an angle shot to get those targets down. You've got to be pretty precise to shoot them versus Mata Hari. They're more angled towards you. You can pick them off easier. It's hard to pick off the power play drop target. I like that you're bringing this up because I definitely agree with that. And in playing Bobby Orr yesterday, I swept three targets at a time. I don't know if I've ever done four, but I've definitely done three more than once. And that is so much fun to do on that game. But also bring up Mata Hari, which I own, and what I would call the other symmetrical game, Night Rider, in order. Bobby Orr is definitely one for me, then Mata Hari, then Knight Rider, a distant third. But they're all very similar, but I think Bobby Orr is definitely the faster game of any of them. It's a great game, great Maya game, design, and Dave Christensen artwork. So two great design greats and artist greats from back in that time frame made this game. So it's a lot of good history there. Over 13,000 of them made.
    8:28
    And it's a fun little game. I think it was the second game with a pop-up post in the middle of the play field. The play more post. The play more post, middle of the flippers, yes. And when that ball comes rocking down the center of the play field and you think it's up and it goes over one of the things to make it go down, all of a sudden, oh, the ball just went down and you lose the ball and you say a couple of choice words. and frustrating well and you brought it up and i think we kind of moved off it for a minute the uh the rollovers you've got the one up top which gives you a bonus and also puts up that play more post then you've got the three on the lanes on each side uh three on each side and then you've got three at the bottom of the play field one which two of them put down the uh the post i I think, right? I forget what the third one does. I'm not in front of the game. I can tell you exactly. I can look at my nice CPR play field right here and tell you what that does. And I was going to ask you while you're doing that, if you'd be kind enough to take a couple of pictures and send to me, I'm going to post them on the pin side thread when I put it out so people can see it. also, I'm guessing once you get to the point of having some time, you're going to do a video for your website as well? Yes. Okay, terrific. You haven't done that yet, though, right? Not yet. That's the come. Well, I'm giving you a commercial announcement. So people, pay attention, go out to his website, take a look. He's got a lot of games out there. So what did you find? What's the top rollover on the bottom of the playfield? That is advanced bonus.
    10:20
    Oh, so that's it? That's it. The other two are down posts. Right. And then if you hit the center target down there, which people would most likely think, you know, auto drain. No, because the post goes up. But those outside drain lanes, they are big and they're wide. Yeah, they're almost like it's very hockey-esque because they're almost like defensemen, kind of blocking and kind of shooting on you, kind of making it go up, making it go down. Those down posts are almost like shots being, you know, into your goal, so to speak, between your flippers in a way. Well, kind of the anti-goal, I guess, because you really don't want it to go through there. Well, it's the game's goal. The game's goal is to make you lose, so. That's very good. And look at you with the little sports analogy. We're going to test your sporting wit in a little bit. How's that? That sounds good to me. I have a game prepared for Dave later on. I have not told him the theme or what it is, but I think all of you will enjoy it.
    11:27
    All right. So what else with your game? So, yeah, the most frustrating part of doing this is, you know, they put a nice clear on there, but they don't put the – what comes with these clears when you put them when you first get them is a little insert thing so that the clear doesn't run down into the star rollers. So by not putting it in there and clearing the whole field, now you have a bunch of built-up clear, and you are not getting that white star roller into the whole assembly. It won't go in. You have to get rid of the clear. And I've tried doing an X-Acto blade and almost chopped off a finger and tried using files, you know, little files. And I got blisters on my hand after working two hours in that. It's like this is just, I mean, this is 10 rollovers times 10 times. There's 100 spots you have to hit. And plus you have to go through each of the holes where the star rollover goes in to sit up and down in there. That's like another 10. So you get 110 things to do on this thing to address. It's a lot of work. So do you need to adjust them to be level with the play field as well? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, you've got to do that, adjust the level of the play field. You've got to adjust so they can go up and down freely and not be sticky.
    12:48
    Oh, I'm sorry. You're talking the mechanism itself, the star that goes and punches through the middle. Okay, now I understand. I thought you meant the one that goes in the perimeter of the hole, which that seats into. I think that's what you need to adjust. Well, you do. You have to adjust the one that's on the play field, the colored insert in the play field. The white stars don't come with it. You put the white stars in after the effect. Oh, I didn't realize that. Oh, yeah. You have to just get the glue out of there or the clear out of there, excuse me, the clear, and then it would just plug right in. But you have to do the whole, oh, man, that's a lot of work. A lot of work. Yeah, it's not just like get some star rolls and just put the white star rolls and toss them in and done. No way. No, you've got to do some hours or it could be days of work. But I did find a nice shortcut that worked great now. So now I got it down that it works pretty well. I use a Dremel with a really fine diamond tip on it. And I get in there and just kind of zip, zip, zip. And I can get it done pretty quickly now. Definitely my fingers thank me, and I'm not swearing as much when I do it, so that's good.
    14:07
    Right, but that's still a lot of delicate work to do to get it right. It is. And then if you chip some clear in there, then you're going to get out the super glue and drop a little of that so you get the clear back down in there if you're doing it like that. The other thing you have to do with these games, too, is you have to use a Forrester bit. I think it's a Forrester bit. I'm not sure. And you have to, like, every place on top of the plate field, you have to do a quick pre-drill on that so that when you are trying to throw a screw into these plate fields, you don't lift up the clear. So you have to do that to all the top side things where the holes where a screw is going to go into. So you have to do a lot of prep work on these before you even get going.
    14:48
    Then you've got to put all the T-nuts. You've got to bang all the T-nuts in the back. um you're gonna another thing i did too that i've learned in this one um instead of like the it's like anchor bolts that the um pop-uppers go uh go on to uh the assembly um on the rear so those go from the top side down in and you can't just bang those in because first of all there's a lot of clear in the hole so you're getting rid of the clear so you're going to drill those that'll get rid of the clear in the hole these things get banged in from the front on the artwork side. On top of that as well, you want to like kind of round out the hole on top there and kind of make a nice little dish for it so it'll sit flush in there and doesn't disturb the skirt on the pop bumper. So a lot of little finessing, a lot of to get it right, to get a playful swap right with these things, there's a lot of work to finesse it. Well, of course, I got my artist wife Maureen doing a touch-up on the cabinet. She's doing that. Another thing I did too is the side rails on the game, the little red wooden rails that go onto the play field on this game in particular. Some have red, some have black, whatever, purple. This one has red. And a lot of times, especially these older games, they get beat up. The outlanes, the ball hits the outlane so many times, there's like a divot on the side there. And so Reese Rails was making nice side rails for these, and he does once in a while, but he takes off a bunch of time when he's got other things going on, So you might not be able to get product from him for six months or so sometimes. So I didn't want to wait for that. I wanted to get the thing done. Actually, it's worse than that right now with him. He can't get product to manufacture the rails. His local lumberyard or whoever his source is hasn't been able to get him the right kind of wood or dimensions. So he's basically pitched it for a while until things come back, which is very interesting. I think some people tried to help him out with some other sources because people have been, you know, been asking for other stuff. So I'm sure the longer he's gone, the more pent-up demand there is for his stuff because he, you know, he's got quite the business from what I understand. He does. Yeah, that's a nice product. It looks really nice on a new play field. But I did, I made something, this works really well. This is like, you know, right up there with what he's doing. I think it's very, it looks very nice the way it came out. So what I did is I cleaned up what was on the rails that were on. I took them off. Of course, they were off anyway with the playfield swap. And I scrubbed down the little divot holes that the ball hit in there. And I took some two-part clay epoxy, wood clay epoxy, threw it in there, sanded it all down nice, and then gave it a fresh coat of the same red kind of paint. And they came out really nice. I mean, it looked great. They're smooth and there are no more divot holes. So it looks like a nice fresh coat of paint on there. And that'll work.
    17:45
    That'll get her done. What else did I do with this thing? I did more metal. I didn't do as much metal buffing years ago, so I did a lot more metal buffing in this one, especially the coin door and that kind of stuff on it.
    17:59
    I haven't done much playtesting yet because we've been busy with other service calls. We've been going like gangbusters here. Do you want to move in that direction? Are you, for the most part, done with Bobby Orr? I've got a couple of things to add. Not much, though. Yeah, go ahead. You can add on. What do you got?
    18:25
    I guess it's number 204 on the pin side ranking, whatever that means. I remember this game when it came out. I was in college, also of drinking age. and both games that I'm familiar with. One was in the college bar up in Burlington, Vermont. So you folks that listen up in the Northeast, you might remember a bar called the Chicken Bone.
    18:52
    And New Jersey, I don't think this one exists anymore, Ridgewood, New Jersey, a place called Esposito's. That machine made more money. I know how much money I put into it, and I know all my friends put a lot of money into it. That thing was just a goldmine. That game was an earner And Esposito like as in Phil Esposito As in Phil Esposito correct Look at you Are you like a closet hockey fan Yeah, I'd say I'm not a sports guy, but I do have a soft spot for hockey. You know, don't need to watch it, but if it's on or whatever, and it's on, I'll definitely watch that versus anything else, versus basketball or football or anything else like that. So do you remember as a kid? Yeah, yeah. In fact, you should throw this in there as, maybe you will already, as that. I was leaving you. Go ahead.
    19:58
    What is that moment called? Oh, no, no. Go ahead. Maybe we're not on the same page. We're not. What were you going to say? I'm saying Voss and Bruins, they would come on, you know, WSBK, Bruins.
    20:33
    They have like a theme song. Yeah. Their hockey broadcast. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I think you should definitely put that as either the lead-in to this whole show, because it definitely goes with power play, and it goes with Bobby Orr, because he's part of the Bruins, and that was the Bruins broadcast, and people definitely would recognize that. I think basically it's a Nutcracker suite, but jazzed up backwards. It's only the people. See, there are people who are hockey fans. I don't want to dwell on it, but the long and short of it is most people remember Bobby Orr for another reason, the moment. Do you know what that moment was called? The flying through the air thing.
    21:11
    Right. Well, the goal, it was referred to as. And it was May of 1970 when the Bruins were in the quest to win the Stanley Cup, which they did. That was 70? That's the infamy. But the horrible part about Bobby Orr is he's not in a Bruins uniform, a Blackhawks uniform. Right. The other weird part about it is he doesn't play another hockey team. He plays the Canadian team, which I guess that probably did well for sales in Canada. But I don't know. I just thought that was weird. Why not have another hockey team? Well, here's my thoughts on that is that Bally was made in Chicago. Chicago is Bally. and they finally get their Bobby Orr, well-known. It's like, oh, he's had the Blackhawks this year. You know what? I didn't even think of that. Yeah, that's exactly right. He's right here on the doorstep. We're doing everything with Dolly Parton and Evel Knievel. He's right on the doorstep. He's a known hockey entity. Let's make a game around him. For the one year. He was probably a lot cheaper than the other two. And for the one year. The one year he does these Blackhawks, he's not even known for Blackhawks, and boom, they put them on there because it's Chicago. And probably also, I think Chicago is right across the river from Ottawa or somewhere in Canada, right? Isn't that right? Toronto. I think it's Toronto. So that's probably why they're so close to Canada there anyway. You know, that's why. I bet you that's the Canadian thing. And I think back in the day, didn't they play? I remember them playing the Canadian. I thought the Bruins played the Canadian. Right, but it's not the Canadian. I believe it's Team Canada. You again are in front of the game. It's not the Canadians. Isn't it Canada?
    23:09
    Well, there's a Maple Leaf on it, but I think it's the Canadians. I don't think it's Team Canada. No, I think they did the Canadians because that's what they were known for. Okay, then I'll take it back.
    23:22
    Okay, now I've got to really hack this thing up now because I was incorrect, but that's okay. well I will say the goldie on the back is wearing it says Canada with a maple leaf on it says Canada it doesn't say Canadian it says Canada so I'll give you that but I think whoever made it and the Canadians I don't we're not going to debate this right now we're not debating it we're trying to figure it out I'm just going to go out online real quick and the Canadians logo is a C, I believe. I'm not a big Canadiens fan, but I love... The weird thing is, the Canadian Maple Leafs. I don't know. No, that's the Toronto Maple Leafs. Okay. So here we go with the sports thing. Right. So I was right. It is like Team Canada, but they're basically giving, without paying any money, here's the gig, from what I can say. Without paying any money to anybody, they're taking the maple leaf, which is Toronto's insignia, but they're not putting Toronto on it or, you know, their hockey team. They're just making it Canada, which, you know, it's like an Olympic team. You can do whatever you want because it's a national symbol. You know, I don't think you have to pay restitution to them. Maybe you do if you use the National Olympic hockey team or whatever. but so you're saying maybe just make it you're you're saying bally did it again the fonzie eight ball with the fonzie that's not the fonz on eight ball well i think they did a half the same thing i think instead of instead of paying up to two entities they paid one and then kind of took liberties and made the impression of the other you know of the other entity with putting a canadian maple leaf on there but not making it a team from canada i mean there's a multiple number of teams they could have made it. So yeah, they gave the impression that it was the Canadians without, you know, the casual user just sees the maple and goes, oh, okay, it's the Canadians. Well, it says Canada. Right, it says Canada, so it's not even Canadians.
    25:36
    It's a subtle thing that people look at it quick and they think Canadians, but they're actually saying Canada.
    25:44
    It's a combo to get around any kind of royalties or whatever. Right. But they get the idea across. Same thing with Fonzie 8-Ball. They get the idea across without calling him Fonzie. Well, they paid dearly for that one, but right. So let's move away. I think we beat this one to death. We beat it with a hockey stick, George. Go ahead. Wait a minute. I know what's going on here. You've all become idiots.
    26:10
    Dave, I'd like to talk about layout, features, and gameplay for Bobby Orr Power Play. Let's start at the top of the play field and work our way down. I'll start. When you shoot the ball up into the top of the play field, there's a saucer. It's labeled from 3,000 to 15,000 points. At the second time, 6,000. And fourth time, 12,000. It lights the star rollovers on each side of the lane. In addition, it moves it up obviously one step, 3,000, 6,000, 9,000, et cetera. It also adds bonuses to the 29,000 bonus points in the game. Yeah, that is a good synopsis there, George.
    27:01
    Also, the drop targets are adjustable for liberal or conservative. So with the conservative setting, you get one bank that drops down. It resets both banks, which makes it tougher because each time you get a bank down, you get a multiplier. So it kind of resets all the hard work you've done by getting the other opposite side of the playfield drop targets down. It resets them without you scoring that multiplier. Liberal setting is you get the drop target bank you get down. it just resets that bank so you can go up to the other one as well so you'll be able to increase your multipliers a lot quicker right one one thing that i think with that with this game people always think drop targets and bonus or at least i do that's not the case with this game it's the multiplier yeah your bonus comes from those uh star rollovers the three on the left and the three on the right that's where your bonus comes from correct but only one lit only one lit Yep, so it's a little stingy at first. You've got to really play for a bit and get in that sauce at the top to make things happen, to light things up so you can get those bonus points.
    28:15
    The other factor in there, liberal and conservative, is you can have either the setting for the pop-up to be always lit for 1,000 points, or you can have them cycle so that they go on and off, I think to the pressure memory I think it's to the 10 point rebounds I think they go on and off or maybe they go on and off when they hit the pop bumper one thing I should mention is the slap shot flipper on the bottom of each of the lanes on each side of the play field yeah those are great because those give you a direct shot at those drop targets because these drop targets as we were saying the decision angle it's hard to get them from the bottom flipper it's hard to get it zoned in just right, the slap shot flippers are over direct, almost a 90 degree angle shot at those drop targets from the slap shot flippers. I always try, although not successful, to hit the uppermost target on those banks and try to get it into the upper part where the saucer is. But if you are too late, and I'm sure this was by design, the outlanes are gobblers. you will go right into that out lane. They are pretty cavernous, as well as the area between the two lower flippers. If that up post isn't up, it's pretty wide between the flippers down there. Absolutely. I want to talk a little bit. We'll go to the bottom and then work our way back up. This game does have an Italian bottom. I think multiple times in this episode we've talked about how wide the out lanes are. At least I believe they are. and do you think Dave that the gap between the flippers is wider than other games of this vintage I think so have not measured it but I think they are slightly wider a little more yep to accommodate that play more post I think so and also to make it tougher there too because they figure as well we're giving you a uh a gimme with the play more post so we're gonna take something away when it's down to make it a little tougher for you. Well, that's where the Italian bottom comes in. Those two lanes, if you do have the post up and it cruises through there, bye-bye, play more post. And a lot of people gaffe that, especially if they first play the game. They don't realize that's going to happen.
    30:43
    I thought the Italian bottom was a Hugh Hefner Playboy special from the 70s. It depends what vintage you are, Dave. Okay.
    30:55
    Yes to that question from me. How's that? Okay. Let's go to the middle of the play field. I think we're almost done here. There aren't a lot of obvious things to set on this game. It's pretty straightforward. We talked about the three in-star rollovers in the middle of the play field, top one advances the bonus and the other two put down the play more post and then just slightly above that is the target that puts up the play more post so fairly symmetrical simple game would you put it in the top five or top ten of the games of this vintage yeah i would yeah uh i gave you a choice five or ten oh okay okay there's a choice there i would I'd say, yeah, I'd say top five from the late 70s, from that 70s genre.
    31:54
    Well, maybe even from a Chimer aspect, from the Chime games. We've never mentioned once that it's a Chimer. Yeah, it's, you know, in fact, was I looking? Oh, you know what? I was looking at actually, because I'm also working on this game. And let me take a quick look inside here. Okay, this game doesn't have it. So the early on games, these early solid states from the 77 and so forth, they also had EM counterparts. Powerplay was not one of them, but Mata Hari was, and so was Knight Rider. And I just got a Knight Rider in from a guy in Ohio. I was going to store it for him. And looking inside the cab, I noticed there's mounting holes for a bottom relay board for an EM machine. So that's how close Knight Rider was for EM and Solid State Bridge. It already had stuff for an EM ready to go for that cabinet. They just, like, decided to make it a Solid State cabinet.
    32:51
    I'll have to look at mine. I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but I'm going to look at mine. That's interesting.
    33:00
    Yeah, there's braces that go across the bottom of the cabinet. When you go inside the cabin, there's braces there, and you'll see there's holes. There's threaded holes in there with a little T-nut, a big T-nut, four of them, that would actually hold the bottom relay board if it was an EM. And the Knight Rider has it. At least mine does. Well, I'll report in our next episode. Simple game, like you said, it's a meat and potatoes game, very much like Mata Hari. Kind of Mata Hari's little twin sister or brother a little bit. It's a little bit tougher with those drop targets and those outlanes, like you said. And especially when that ball comes rocking down, hits the down post, is up, and you're going to be saved, and all of a sudden, down she goes, right through. Good looker and very flashy Dave Christensen artwork. He loves his reds, like I said.
    33:53
    Dave, why don't you tell me about your last week. you and Maureen I guess did a multi-machine multi-day day spa we did we uh we have a couple of these coming up it's so this customer contacted us about a month or two ago uh we're gonna try to do it around late December but didn't work out the room they had what had the heating wasn't right or something so um they're like an hour and a half away or something like that and they have four games they had a um a wizard of oz emerald edition like the top of the line with the powder coated you know glittery green everything um they had a lord of the rings a monopoly and a captain card so pretty varied the the monopoly and lord of the rings from the same time frame early 2000s, Stern, 2003, 2004. The Wizard of Oz, I can't believe how old this game is now. It's in 2012. I feel like the game just came out, Wizard of Oz. I want to interrupt and stop you there. I know you were there. Were you at Allentown when he released that game? Yes, I was.
    35:14
    So, I started thinking about if I played that game since. And I don't recall playing it any other time other than there. How about you?
    35:29
    I maybe once somewhere at someone's collection or maybe at a show somewhere. If it was, it was one. It's just a quick thing. But no, I think basically that show is it. Right. And like you said, it's going to be nine years ago. Yeah. That flew by. Yeah, stop Unfortunately that doesn't work with time No, you know, I don't think time is linear But that's a whole other subject There's no shut off valve So what'd you end up doing to all these games? That's quite a few different games So, yeah, so I said, okay, give me a list of all the things that you're going on, because, you know, they're all – I guess they bought most of them, I think, new, except the Captain Carr. They bought up his place years ago.
    36:31
    Oh, some kind of Connecticut – I want to say New England coin-op, but that's not it. Some kind of Connecticut retail. So some source, some distributor. Yeah, some distributor down there. Yeah, and they were out of business. and I guess she would buy him a game for Christmas every Christmas he loves pinball older couple too I don't know they're probably 60s maybe 70s somewhere in the 60s land I'm not sure whereabouts maybe 70s I don't know definitely not in the 30s have you noticed my silence? I know it's just silence It's like, oh, I don't want to step on George's toes here.
    37:14
    So you only get as old as you feel, George, you know. Some days I feel like 100. So she gave me a quick little synopsis of each game, and I said, well, tell you what. They probably all need a refresh. They're all, you know, at least, you know, eight years, ten years, you know, or older, and they need a cabin card. And she said, oh, the cabin card is the only one that really has no problems. But then she wrote me back about a week later, well, I shouldn't have said that because now the Captain Carter's having problems. So I said, you know what, I'll do a day spa. I told her what that was on each game. But I'm going to need at least three days, if not four days, to complete this task and a day spa on each one of them. And I said, you know, let me work out and see if I can get a friend of mine if he can put us up for a couple days. So I did. So you met Bob and Janet for a party we had a couple, oh, I don't know, last year or whatever.
    38:12
    Yes. In better times and that kind of thing. And so they have a place in Connecticut, a nice house, a new house they bought, a real nice place, plenty of room. And they said, yeah, we'd love to have you down. We haven't had guests forever. We'd like to see people.
    38:27
    We be down So they put us up for three nights We got down there there Tuesday uh started working the games assess things put some endogram in the sterns uh, clean those up a little bit and just did a test on each one of them, see what's going on. I brought everything considerably down with me. I had, the car was packed with all my whole shop, because all different generations of games and work on different manufacturers and, uh, stayed there for, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday night, Thursday night. And, And Friday was the last day. We spent the last day on site, the customer site. Finished around 5 o'clock at night and got out of there. But, yeah, it was successful. And the Wizard of Oz had the weirdest problems. The problems with that time frame of game, it's basically a computer system that runs on Linux. And so it's a computer board on those Jersey Jack games. and they have a little coin battery in them that's really only good for three years. If the battery drops down, it's supposed to be like 3.1 or 3.3 volts to keep the CMOS operating system, or the CMOS, what's it called, the boot sector, I don't know. Can be talked to a computer guy. But anyway, so something about the CMOS.
    39:45
    And if it falls down to 2.7 to 2.8 volts, the game loses its mind, It doesn't know where to find the disk. It doesn't know where to find the operating system. So it was having weird problems like that. So I was trying to figure out, because it has a solid-state drive. It's a solid-state drive. It couldn't read the disk. I started unplugging that. I started going in there, and then I started doing some reading while I was on site. I go, hey, wait a minute. It could be something about this disk. This freaking battery is, you know, nine years old or so. So I measured it. It's like 2.73 volts. Hello. There it is.
    40:17
    So do you carry that battery with you? I'm going to – actually, I did some video games a while back that had that battery, and I have a couple that didn't have an Omni because I didn't even think about that. But the customer was out anyway. He was out on a work site, and he said, oh, I'm going to my lunch hour right now. I'll go grab the battery at CVS. He got it, brought it back to me at his house. I plugged it in, and it booted up great. It still handled – and then we totally went nuts in the game, put all tight and clear rubbers everywhere and shined it up. The thing looked gorgeous. You know, spend a day doing that because to take these things apart, it's like a 3D puzzle. You know, take everything out, put it all back in, strip the play field down, rebuild stuff. But he was really happy when it came out. It still has a couple hiccups with that, you know, read error or whatever. But before it was totally dead. They couldn't play it. Now at least they can play lots of games and once in a while it'll have a hiccup. But they just reboot it and it comes back. So there's still something else with that game. could be a hard disk problem, could be a SATA cable problem. This guy's a computer guy, though, so he knows. It's like, well, it's a SATA drive from 2012, so you're going to have – today's SATA drives are SATA 3, which isn't going to be compatible.
    41:31
    And so it's a little beyond me with more of a computer thing at this point, but he knows computers, so I told him what it was, and he's going to deal with that part of it. So it's like, good. It's in good hands with you. You can deal with that part. So, yeah. What about the – is that it on that game? That's it on that game. That game is a fun game. I will say Maureen really liked the game. And it's only – it was number 715 out of 1,000 made for that particular one he got there. Real nice example.
    42:04
    Do you know how much that game was back when it was released? Yeah, I looked at his invoice inside the game. He paid like 11 grand for it.
    42:14
    Whoa. Really? Including delivery. Including delivery and setup. Well, okay, fine. You know, $500 or whatever to deliver it. I think it was like $9,500 plus another $800 or something. So it came out to like $10,500 or something.
    42:37
    That's some serious dough. I mean, it's a nice, it's a beautiful looking game. I remember playing it and having fun and not knowing what to do on it. A lot of people rave about this game. Obviously, Jack has made several iterations of this game, you know, with different colors and sparkles and whatever else. I will say I do like how they do the multicolor LEDs in this game. It is a nice – all the LEDs are multicolor. They can be selected to – each LED can be any color you want kind of thing, and they programmed it really nice so that when it's in a track mode, it almost looks like the game is on fire. It plays a trick on your eyes. The LEDs are glowing. It has a kind of look that, you know when you're looking at a fire and you get the waves in front of you when the fire is going up, the heat waves? It's like looking at that. It looks like the play field has heat waves coming off it from the LED. Like a ripple? Yeah, it plays tricks on your eyes. It kind of makes you a little bit just like it's weird. In fact, Maureen liked playing it, but after so much LED stuff going on, She goes, I don't know if I can own this one because there's way too much LED stuff going on. She likes the old school incandescent.
    43:45
    Welcome to the new world. It seems like all the new games are moving in that category. It's very dazzling. I will say that. But I'd say out of all the games he had there,
    43:59
    take a guess out of all those four games, which was his favorite to play? And actually, this was the one that was the dirtiest as well. Lord of the Rings. Nope. It was a very surprising Monopoly? Yeah.
    44:14
    Really? Yeah. No, you played that game with Eric when we were up at Funland. Not Funland. Funspot. Yeah. I don't remember.
    44:35
    Okay. Well, you do, so that's good. I think so. We played a bunch of games, so I forget. I don't know. So they played that thing to death, huh? They did. It was pretty dirty. So that was one of the most – I mean, I basically took them all apart anyway, but that was one that was like I could just tell, like, wow.
    44:52
    How old is that game? That's 2003, I think. That and Lord of the Rings are on the same time frame. 2003, 2004, that's all around the same time frame. 2002. Now, Lord of the Rings has got that ball rod thing, right? Yes. And the big tin pan The big tin pan, yes. The funnel? The funnel, yep I put a lot of time on that game, that was at Attitash Ski Area when it first came out and I remember being up there with my family and that was in the game room I put a lot of quarters in that game, boy, probably then it was probably 75 cents. Not anymore. That was a lot of fun. That's a fun game. I like that game. Yeah, it's definitely a fun game. I like when you're going up the thing there, a little bagatelle thing. The ball goes through there, little green lights there. And I think when you start to go through there, I think it said, the guy, the big burly guy, he says, you have my axe. But it sounds like you have my ass. So that was kind of weird. I can't tell you the last time I played that game but isn't that game susceptible to having that Balrog bashed and doesn't that create issues with the game or am I under I've read about that but I've served several Lord of the Rings games now and none of them had that problem I think these are all home use so they're not in an arcade they're not getting beat on that much I've been fortunate on that I mean, the good thing about these games, I have been actually converting the older Sterns from the early 2000s because those weren't LED. Those are all incandescent. And I've been taking some, you know, tasteful LED upgrades. I like the warm retro comet ones that I will do for GI, general illumination. I'll use it for that. So I'll do a combination of insert, regular, incandescent, and warm GI, and maybe a couple warm red GI, one SMD, where appropriate. And it comes out really nice. Especially when you put the clear rubbers everywhere. Clear rubbers transmit the LED light right through them. So it makes the whole plate feel kind of glow nice. So the customer really loved how the effect we did on all the games came out like that. and so we did it to we did the same treatment to monopoly uh and then to lord of the rings wizard of oz then it comes to captain card and that's where i'm kind of you know working on an old early 70s em that was definitely beat to crap this playthrough was pretty beat and it was working you know pretty much but all the the light sockets in the game were all like spinning and flaky and not good.
    47:45
    You know, so I basically... It's time. So we spent the last day, had the whole playfield flipped over, and I spent the last day just taking a drum with a diamond tip and just like, I could have replaced them all. It's like, you know what, I'm going to try to see if I can get these things to come back without replacing. I'll replace the ones that won't come back, but the ones that can make work again will make work again. So I just hit them all. And I soldered them all to a little tit on the top there, the wire, and I did the whole thing, you know, and cleaned things up. And the lights all came back nice. Everything's nice and solid.
    48:22
    Replaced some plastics here and there. Went through all the score reels and went through both steppers. And this is really cool stuff that I've actually started using now from Steve Young at Pinball Resource. Because before I was using this silicone grease for EMs, for stepper units. So you kind of clean them up, the rivets, with this Brasso, you know, and make them nice and shiny, and then you wipe it off, and you put this really thin coat of silicone Teflon lube there so it doesn't wear it out and it stays nice and clean and doesn't get oxidized. But Steve Young makes something even better. He makes some stuff that you can't find anymore. He approximated the formula back in the 70s, what they used to use. It's super slick, and it's called, I don't know, I think it's called EM Grease or something by Steve Young, PBR. And I started using that. The first time I used it was on this game. And like, wow, this stuff is fantastic. I mean, it goes right on nice and smooth.
    49:18
    And I even used that on the drop targets on that Captain Card. A lot of these Gottlieb games, the drop targets will go halfway down. They'll stick. They're sluggish. They go halfway down. The game will just keep scoring and scoring and scoring and scoring because it's waiting for the drop target to go all the way down. and it'll stop scoring. So you think the game's broken because the drop target's not all the way down and it keeps scoring. So I had to go through all the drop targets and the 16 of those and clean all the switches on those and the thing right down. See, I'm not real familiar with the game, Dave. 16 drops, so four bags to four. Four bags to four. It's a nice game. It's a nice add-a-ball game. Very challenging captain card. And it's actually the add-a-ball version of high hand. So I had a couple of captain cards I restored and sold. It's kind of the one that got away. I like working on wedge heads. They're easier to work on than multiplayer EMs. There's only one player. There's less circuitry in there to go bad.
    50:18
    Less things on there to mess up. A lot less cleaning. Yeah, exactly. It's a lot simpler to diagnose and figure out problems.
    50:29
    Usually with an EM like that, I don't usually like to go on site to work. I like to actually bring them in-house and do a whole full resto on it and really spend my time with it. So I was a little bit gun-shy about it. But I said, you know, it's already working. So as long as it's working already, I'm not coming into a dead machine. I felt pretty confident. So I kind of took it from sort of working to fully working after about, I think we were there for like seven hours the last day working on that and gotten that up and running.
    50:56
    I high-tapped the game, which some EM people don't like. But I don't know. I like to high tap the game and then try using regular flipper coils that come with the game. And I still don't get enough oomph. I'm going to go to orange dots, which had 10 percent. Yellow dots had 20 percent power. But I went for the regular ones and with high tap and it came out real nice, you know, between all the all the work we did on it.
    51:24
    Our our show, I guess, is morphed a little bit over time, but that's OK. We kind of go with the flow. I like the fact that we're chasing you around with all the different kinds of games. We might not go in depth, but there's always a hint or a tidbit here or there that'll help people. So I hope people are into it. And actually, a good time to mention our last show, our last episode. it was the fastest number of people listening we've ever had. So we must be doing something right. I think part of it is probably your web presence. You seem to get a lot of action both on YouTube and your own personal website. So that's great. I'm happy. We're kind of standing out from the crowd with doing something a little bit different. than everybody else. Yeah, I like it because it's a great outlet and it's also a great people that can live a little bit vicariously through us and we're like pinball nomads, Maureen and I. We'll go out there, we'll go to people's houses, work on their games and a lot of times, a lot of people don't get out, especially these days. They're fearful or whatever and they're not going out, but they'll have us over because, you know, We're all healthy and well. We don't have any issues. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be going out, you know, so no worries there.
    53:00
    And so they love having people over because they don't really see their family or anything these days. So when we go over, and this happened this time as well in Connecticut, they said, oh, do you guys want to stay for dinner? And so they go on to, you know, and it's like, well, no, not tonight because we just got to our friend's house. We went to dinner with them, but maybe some other night, you know. So then the next night we went there, we were called in. They said, how about tonight? I said, sure. So we broke bread with them. It was great. and just got to shoot the crap with them and talk and have nice dinner with these people. And that's happened a lot of times with us. We go on site for like six, eight hours. The customer will actually offer us dinner and we'll have dinner with them. And they really enjoy it. They really feel like they can relax with us and have a good time and have like a little camaraderie and friendship, talk about pinball and everything else. And it's great. Well, you got one thing right in common, and that starts the conversation. so that's yeah no it's it's fun and we so we we go on these pinball adventures we can go go into Connecticut for you know because who was we don't normally go on vacation these days and so we actually got to stay away for four days and three nights at our friend's house something different and then get paid paid pretty well or during the day as we're working and enjoying that and I put on some really cool podcasts I like uh not pinball ones other ones um and uh while we're working and um and pretty soon we're gonna we're gonna get on the cape we have a cape caught adventures a multi multi day down there i think there's three customers down there we have to hit so maureen has a uh friend who has a a condo that we're gonna rent for a nice discount price that we're gonna stay at her place for three days down there and do uh do some jobs down there probably right around valentine's day so we can get away for a little valentine's day weekend while we get some work done, you know, and go away with my honey.
    54:52
    Well, for listeners new and old, Dave did his one adventure back in, I think, July. I don't have it in front of me, where you did the… Jaws. The Jaws. I was just thinking that too, Jaws. With your little furry friend. Yes. I won't spoil it for those who have not heard it but those of you who have we did a little play on words there can we shift gears unless there's something else you want to add to all these machines I got a whole list of things I'd like to talk to you about go ahead what do you got can I get you infuriated first sure go ahead you know I listen to a lot of different podcasters, and we'll talk about one in a few minutes, but this particular person, Zach Menne, did, as part of his podcast, the number one or top ten overrated games, I think, is what it was. But the number one overrated game is a game that... I got a guess popped in my head right now, but go ahead. I have a guess. If anybody's interested I'll give them props It's straight down the middle I think it's a video broadcast I think YouTube Go ahead Xenon Oh no Nope Not even close Oh come on Overrated? What is this guy a ramper? What's happening?
    56:39
    Well he's a distributor He's a ramper Has he played an ice cook silver? Yeah. I believe he said he did, but I don't recall. I'll be honest.
    56:51
    He probably paid to beat one. Oh, well. So many rookies. Just rookies. That's a good reaction. Okay, we're talking about games, and I know I brought this to your attention, but people in the Northeast appear to like me talking about this, so I will. I've been looking at games on the various platforms, Craigslist,
    57:20
    Facebook Marketplace, et cetera, and there was a person in your hometown of Marlborough, Massachusetts, that was selling two games. I'll do the setup, and you can do the opinion and commentary. Sure. a lost world or as I refer to it as lost cause from Bali not right George And he was selling a Playboy Again, a Bali, not Bali. Right.
    58:00
    And the one in Derry, New Hampshire, which is right next door to me, is still trying to sell the Playboy for $5,000 with the signatures. you say uh are these restored or these just kind of kick around playboy games i i believe i sent you a picture of the lost world ad now these were these were not worth anywhere near the kind of money that they were asking but i'm also going to throw a little bit more to the fire uh someone we both know she ran an arcade sarah st john was selling a matahari locally in southern new hampshire for 2200 and again i'm just dumbfounded by the amount of money people are asking for these well you know 22 for a nice matahari isn't out of line uh but it might not be nice you say it might just the player's condition or something it might not be real nice but i don't think it's a dog either so i'm it just sounded a little strong by a couple hundred bucks to be made yeah but you know i bought my game for three hundred dollars so who am i uh so you've got those two let's see what else do i have oh i'm going to mention a couple of people uh ian and drew even though we don't agree sometimes with your pinball choices, primarily Fathom, the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, they've entered into a new business, which I told you about.
    59:43
    Pinswaprentals.com. This is the hub for people who want to rent their games. We kind of talked about this. Not something I would do with any of my games. No, I wouldn't either. No thanks. But I wish them luck If you've got some players games You really don't care about Who's going to do what to them I've seen some of the people That I used to know In the collector community And I've seen them move other people's games That loan them their games And just take them downstairs And bump them and hit against the painting Against the wall And it's like oh they'll never know that That's not really the way to do it dude right and that's my fear is it's not going to be treated the way you would treat your own personal good well and the other guy the other guy i remember years ago when i was trying to get a game out of an old school game it was i don't know it's like matahari or something like that maybe a skateboard and uh he was transporting it with the artwork side down on the on his cabin of his truck.
    60:54
    And I said, that's not right. Say don't do that. And he said, oh, it's seen worse abuse in his life. What do you care? Well, don't keep making the abuse, dude.
    61:05
    No respect. I'm just going to reserve comment. Okay, let's go to another one. Wait, wait, wait. I just want to back up one second. I have a customer that's He's trying to sell a really nice minty Mata Hari.
    61:25
    It has a cabinet repaint on it. It's a pretty decent repaint. It looks good. It shows well. CPR playfield installed. And he bought it from someone who did like a restoration playfield swap on it, the whole thing. They did an okay job. I brought it to the next level, and I kind of re-restored it for him. But he's kind of done with the game. Now he wants to sell it. But he's going to sell it for big money. I think anywhere from like, he must try to get between six and eight grand for it. He might get it, but it's a real nice showpiece. Right, but it's all been redone. So that's different. Like my game is totally original and it's nice. You've seen it. It's a great looking game. So mine's worth all. If people are getting two grand plus for their games, mine's worth all that plus. But, you know, it's a fun game. And he wanted me to give it a pre-flight before he's going to put Listie, because he had it apart, and he said, can you come to my place and assemble it and just kind of make sure everything's all working so when I sell it, it's all good and you can kind of give it your little blessing. I said, sure. So I set it up.
    62:34
    Actually, I put Reese Rails in this game, too. This has real Reese Rails on it as well, because the original ones were all dented up bad from whoever had it before. So I put those on there. and I also did my special mod in Mata Hari that I don't think I'm the only person that has done this I don't know, put it this way, I have not seen anybody else in Mata Hari You drilled a hole in the back box Yes for the snakes? For each snake, there's a hole with a blinker behind each snake Yeah, I have blinkers somewhere else Oh, so do I That's a standard law. If anybody owns a Mata Hari, they know what I'm talking about. Hey, if they're bejeweled, bejewel them. Come on. You have to.
    63:23
    In fact, we'll go to the Knight Rider thing down the road, or if you want to. But someone just gave me, one of my friends said, hey, you didn't put a blinker behind the waitress' boobs, did you, a Knight Rider? I was like, yes, I certainly did. They're there to blink. Come on. I have two. Not only there, but on the Rumpelstiltskin. I put one there, and I put one on the cop car. The cop car's lights. I want to hit one of those. Me too. Wow. I don't know if I learned that from you. I think you did. Anyway, like mine, like mine. Dirty like mine. Anyway. Yes. Go ahead. What was your next thing? My next one was, and I will mention his name because if you don't, geez, I'll have a heart attack.
    64:13
    Kaneda said in one of his podcasts, the best unmade theme, and this is his rankings. Number one, I'm not familiar. You're the movie guy. You tell me. 1986, Transformers, the movie. Oh, please. Why?
    64:32
    What? For what? You mean the movie or the game? Good. See, I knew I could ask you. The movie? He likes the movie or the game? no he likes the movie and thinks that that movie should be made into a pinball machine no it's junk well they did do Ninja Turtles so it's around the same thing Ninja Turtles same idea same thing it's for five year olds no interest okay this is Georgie's tips and tricks. If you want to look at a decent video, shout out to Kyle Inamoto at Marco pinball. They did a nice video recently of, here we go again. Bally flippers. You sure it's not, it sure it's not Bali. I heard it was Bali.
    65:33
    No. Well, I, well, give me a second. Let me just give these guys some props, and then we'll talk about my retorting, who there's, you know, you'll understand in a second, folks. Anyway, Kyle Enomoto did a video on Bally Flippers, both the ones that we have in our games, the links as well as the linears. He did a nice job. If you're looking to learn a little bit about it, go off and take a look at their YouTube channel. It's pretty decent. So I figured I'd just mention that. They do a nice job. So let's get to what happened. And I think we both caused it, and I knew you were going to pick it. So in our last show, no, two shows ago, number 43, we did the 12 Days of Pinball, kind of misleading. It was basically 12 subjects, and I let Dave pick them. I knew he was going to pick the Stern soundboard. Well, that art episode came out literally hours after the Slam Tilt podcast with Bruce Nightingale and Ron Hallett. And I think Ron Hallett maybe for the first time listened to our podcast because we had mentioned the Stern soundboard. They probably weren't thrilled, but I gave them, you know, I gave the source and let people know about their podcast. I thought I was doing a nice thing. Yeah. So I'm listening to their most recent podcast, and lo and behold, I get called out, not by name, but I definitely get called out because of my mispronunciation of Valley. Oh, George. Now, I want to put forth the reasons why I think I might do this. First of all, Dave, thank you for being very polite to me over the course of, you know, all our different podcasts. I have tried very hard to break myself of the habit. I call it a habit because I do it unconsciously. so when folks hear me say valley in the valley I do it only to remind myself it's got nothing to do with anything it's just it rhymes with valley so I remember it okay sounds stupid I'm old okay so some people get songs in their ears this one is me with my voice so some people get earworms right you know you hear a song and it's like always in there and you're always repeating it whatever well this is what i call a mouth worm i say it without any consciousness it just comes out okay so that's one maybe it's the onset of dementia i'm not young anymore maybe i'm getting a little slow on the uptick so fault me but here's Okay. Here's the big one.
    68:51
    There's an island in Indonesia called Bali. Yes. Bali. Hi. I have a commercial that I am going to play from the Division of Tourism so you can hear the person say.
    69:11
    Ah, that's where you got it from. Probably. Yes. As one of the world's most favorite destinations, Bali has implemented a new protocol to welcome you once again. Let's look at the spelling of these two words. You have B-A-L-I. How would you pronounce L-I? Lee.
    69:38
    Okay. You have the word Bali, B-A-L-L-Y. How do you pronounce L-Y? Lie. sorry that doesn't make sense I know well you know I gotta be honest tomato tomato that's fine so I'm a mess up so here we go I'm just not smart fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life Ron Hallett you've had your couple minutes of infamy here correcting somebody who knows they have an issue. You probably only listened to that one episode because of us mentioning you. You probably didn't listen to the 42 before it where you've heard me time and time again, folks. Now, I don't know about that, George. I think a lot of podcasts use this as a podcast show prep. But go ahead.
    70:39
    Throw down some more. Okay. Let me get my lighter fluid out. Hold on. Lighter fluid. Fire. Boom. Hit.
    71:03
    Dave, I said earlier in the program that I had a game I wanted to play with you. Well, since you're such a sports nut, and I believe in one of our last podcasts, we talked about skiing and snowboarding. I came up with a little game that I call snowboard versus wrestling.
    71:30
    All right. I like it. They're all knuckle-hucking. I found certain moves from both of these sports, and I want you to tell me which sport the term is from.
    71:47
    You think you can do that? All right. Snowboard versus wrestling. I think I can do this. We'll start with one of the, what I think is easier ones. I love doing game show. The move is drop kick. A dropkick would be a wrestling term. Correct. What would a Boston Crab be? That's wrestling. Correct. What about a moonsault?
    72:18
    A moonsault. Boy, that's a tough one. I'm going to go with that's wrestling. How about a brain buster?
    72:33
    You would be a good... Snowboard. Wrestling. I picked some good ones. Oh, boy, I'm losing. Terrible. Okay, I have two more. You did. I'll give you an easy one.
    72:47
    What about a McTwist? A McTwist. Like McDonald's. A McTwist? That's wrestling. Here's another one. This is a tough one. a crippler. That's wrestling. You would be incorrect. I thought you were into snowboarding. You're not doing very well with the snowboard terms. I am, but they're all freaking whacked out on Scooby Snacks. I don't really know what these terms are.
    73:21
    Let's see if you can redeem yourself. A powerbomb. That's going to be wrestling. And you would be correct.
    73:31
    Dave! Who? Dave! D-A-V-E! Yeah, Dave! Right. So anyone out there that wants to explore getting their games worked on, getting their games restored, or buying a restored game from me, you can check out my website at pinballdoctor.com. That's pinballdoctor, all spelled out. Or you can reach me at dave at pinballdoctor.com. or you can reach me at drdavespinball at gmail and that's d-r-d-a-v-e-s pinball at gmail now what's that i see now what's that boy up to better check on it yeah hey boy what's going on here what you trying to do oh no back off there son you'll never do it you're not strong enough job just gotta have a little how Sharon? Sharon, are you there?
    74:29
    Sharon, come in, Sharon. You guys have to come up to my closet and back. We have to talk. What's going on? Just come up quickly.
    74:38
    What's going on, Sharon? I hired, you know, George, let me explain. Sharon, I hired Sharon to off-put some of my stuff, my administrative work. She's my administrative assistant. I didn't have much room in the house, so I have a little closet for Sharon and I put her in the closet and sometimes she gets overwhelmed and you know I have to go see what's going on so she said come out to me stat so I'll go see her later she says stat but I don't think she knows what stat means but go ahead George I am having a nice beer beverage I'm on number two right now oh darn I thought you could every time you were talking near my microphone, I'd make the sound of the beer thing going on. I'm sitting here juicing a water. Come on.
    75:40
    Oh, you know what you've got but you don't I don't know where from It hurts to talk And I can't even breathe I need drugs So many juice from I don't know.
    76:21
    Should I go to the doctor? Or stay right here? And watch the show? Or sit back and do? I feel down. Down, down. I feel safe and well.
    76:48
    Thank you.