This week on the program, our intrepid crew continues to dangerously navigate the tumultuous terrain of the precious pinball podcaster landscape. Cale Hernandez never holds back to speak his mind. Jamie Burchill seems to enjoy the taste of his own foot. And Retro Ralph got blocked online by a strategy tabletop game. Just maybe they can stack that block tower nice and neat and keep it from falling. Find out this week on the JBS Roundtable. Hello and welcome to another edition of the Pinball Roundtable. Kale Hernandez one side, Retro Ralph the other, or who the hell knows where they are on your screen, but here we are boys. Lots to talk about, right? We got a week before TPF, Ralph. Yeah, let's go. Okay, so we're pretty pumped to that. We wish Kale and Rachel were going, definitely, but we understand they spent years at these places already, so. If I'm rooming with you, like, how loud is this CPAP thing? Do you have to wear one of those? Like if I don't wear it though, I just snore through it, but that's why Kale's a better roommate than you. I don't know what's better. Why? Because he, you know, has hearing aids, so he just takes them out. Yeah. So bring earplugs. Got it. Cool. I can breathe properly. Shoot. All right. Pokemon Pinball. Hold on. Are you looking at the notes? Hold on. Are you looking at the notes? Yeah. There's no way. We can't. We there's a very there's a very important topic we need to talk about. Go. Let's go. What is it? What happened to Christopher Franchi? What do you mean, what happened to Christopher Franchi? He was supposed to be on the show. He was supposed to be on the show. That you can. Why don't you ask Jamie what happened? Because what happened? Yeah. Hey, Jamie, what's up? Um, well, when I said that I didn't want guests on the round table anymore, I might have mistakenly, someone might have taken that wrong. And that was not my intention. I don't want guests on the show unless they're special guests. And I think Christopher Franchi is a special guest. And I'd love to have him on the show. Okay? Do you need a backhoe because you can't dig deep enough with the shovel or? Ditchwitch? I don't really get to pull up with what Ralph does. So this is kind of interesting for me. Right. And you love to call out Ralph when he makes his mistakes. So we just had to turn it around on you. This is so nice. Can we do a whole episode without me getting in trouble? It'd be awesome. If you missed the last episode, we were supposed to have Christopher Franchi on. Christopher, Mr. Christopher Franchi. Brilliant artist. Ralph was caught up in air travel and all the stuff coming back from Chicago, so we had to postpone, and we decided to do a very quick, just get together and do Us Three. And our friend Jamie Bertrell opened with, you know what, I like it when it's just Us Three. We'll do Christopher Franchi. We'll do the interview, but I really, it'll be the last one. I prefer, now just to make it clear, I don't know if Ralph knew, I didn't know anything about this. I don't know shit. Oh, it wasn't on the notes. Right, exactly. So Chris, this is all on Jamie, and he's gonna apologize right now. Yeah, in person actually, Franchi, I'm gonna bring, no, I'm gonna bring Jamie, I'm gonna walk him over to the spooky booth. No question. Jamie, you have things you need to discuss with Chris real quick. But I did send a very nice note, gents. You did. You showed us. No, I'm kidding. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. Jamie is one of the most... Yeah, no, he really is a sweet guy and he didn't mean anything from it. I think I'm a sweetheart, but whatever. John Kimkax Can you just say chamomile for five minutes? No. I'm just kidding. Say it once. Chamoy. Chamaywin or whatever you said. Chamaywin. Chardon or something. All right. Why doesn't... Okay. Pokemon. Pokemon. At Eureka Heights on Tuesday at the Electric Pass. It's not Poke-E-mon. Poke-a-mon. Pokemon. Pokemon. Try it, Jamie. Pokemon. Pokemon. Look, they had to edit Jack Danger. Jack Danger didn't even know how to pronounce it. We're gonna do it right. All right, Pokemon is now at the electric bat. Yes. The pro just got there today. And today is Thursday, March 12th when we're recording. So it got there today. And then it got to Eureka Heights on Tuesday. And you want to talk about it? You know where it didn't get? Oh, in Phoenix, Arizona, up by you. My garage. I didn't get my garage. Well, it's going to operators first, and unless you start opening your garage, it's not going to make a difference. So it's definitely going to operators first, and good thing it went to operators. Yeah, what's going on with it? Cale, give us the, you and Jamie, give us the what's up. You want to go first, Jamie? Well, yeah. So on Reddit and on Pinside, there was a thread that the left orbit shot, the green guy. If it's coming down the green, it's going right down the middle. And if it's humming, if you hit the orange shot and it comes around, you're definitely going down the middle. And that was the thread. And we saw that. There were multiple posts across many social media platforms about this and how to fix it. And how to fix it. And Taylor and of course, Kale and Rachel are very good techs. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, We're going to be getting caught up consistently. So when you hold the left flipper down, ladies and gentlemen, on Pokemon . . . Now it's super awkward because you're making it like, Pokemon! Can you do it normal, like not like a weirdo? When you hold the left flipper, there's a super skill shot and it doesn't go all the John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. So, I just find it interesting that they can make versions for us to play, which is probably like the first couple off the line, and then the ones they produce have an issue that weren't in the other ones. So, I don't know, that's just kind of crazy to me. Yeah. Did you keep yapping? Yeah, we were talking about how it's weird that the ones we played at Media Day were pretty dialed in. Like, I really didn't have many problems at all with them. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lin Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. The pinball enthusiasts? No, a Stern Army official member group. There's actually a really good thread and George Gomez chimed in and Ray Day chimed in. Gomez says it's been fixed now. So, Ralph, yours shouldn't have that issue. Sweet. But the, I mean, this just goes back to, you know, these are, these are handmade, Handmade, you know, very expensive science projects. And it ends a game of centimeters, game of millimeters. When I was at Stern, you know, there wasn't a media day for it. But when Jack and I were over there playing X-Men, the two copies that we were playing shot flawlessly. The plunge was flawless. Everything was absolutely flawless. And then we all know the rest of the story. Right. You know, and that's what you experienced, Ralph. You know, I don't know who assembles those first copies. But I would imagine the designer, or in this case, designers, John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. So these are those brilliant, rich action decks that I like, but what was I thinking about when you were going to download them, was, Oh, wait a minute, I need to... What were you thinking about when you were downloading these decks? Those were cool. I just want to thank these guys for the great ways they have looked at this stuff. They've designed this deck so well. They would get really good stuff, so I wanted somebody to dive into it, and sell this deck with me. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, ITP, John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., Robotics, Pinball Machine, He was working on the launch. That's so crazy. Yeah, we didn't have, definitely not no launch issues and none of those orbit issues. So it's kind of- It's playing great now. I spent an hour before the round table and went over there and put four games on it. Did you finally get the easy multiball? Yeah. Yeah. I'm over a hundred million pretty consistently now. I think I figured it out. I'm a little bummed on a couple of things. And I don't want to crap on it, okay? I don't want to crap on it. You guys hyped it up so much. I don't feel like I hyped it up that much. I just liked it. I'm just saying you guys. I'm giving you like a collective of all the people that went into the building. Okay. But does that surprise you that people that go in there get... There's like this feeling you get when you're in there. You know what I mean? Some people get mesmerized by the feeling. I know my first couple times there I was like, oh, I'm in the house. It was... So I think you can kind of get all caught up on that. The other thing too is when you're playing with friends, other people you've met before, I think games are so much more exciting when you're playing them with someone. So sometimes that also falls into it, right? There are games I've played that I don't like by myself, but the competitive element of it, it can cloud your judgment. I do think that it's hard to assess a game at one of those events though. But anyways, I'm kind of defending the content players a little bit here. No, no, no. Look, it's a good model, right? Get them to pay for you. You pay to go down, they buy you some sushi and pizza and they get a great rep. All I need is one piece of sushi and I will say your game is awesome. Yeah. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. That's a joke. But you know, right now it's a B minus. I'm going to grade it a B minus because... That doesn't surprise me a B- because I feel like it's kind of like a plain Jane layout. You know what I mean? So like I... No, I think it is a plain Jane layout. I think the code is very low right now, obviously. There's no achievements. We gotta talk about that for a minute. This is two games in a row that got sent out without achievements. And the one that definitely should have had them would be this one. I know. It's a no-brainer, right? Come on, man. That's not good. They gotta figure that out. They never, ever, ever want to hang out. Don't you think, Kale? Like, because achievements are huge for you, right? Massive. People at The Friggin' Bat love that shit. Mm hmm. Massive for him and for eureka. They're massive, you know, and it's just not there yet. Now, the Lions are still there. People are playing it, okay? Do you guys get excited? Like, I like hearing the noise of an achievement when I first get to jump on a new game. Sure. It's fun. I don't know what is it. I don't even have to see what it says. That noise. I love that. I got to do a couple of the smaller, easier ones first. I love that, but I don't know. It was just kind of a bummer on Tuesday night when we all got there and we hear the login, the Stern Insider Connect login. It's so cool. And you're there and you're playing Pokemon and then you've played two balls and no one sniffed an achievement. We've all got super skill shots. We've all done all these things. And you know, what is this? What happened? Yeah, why is it happening? They just put him into Walking Dead Remastered when we were out there for the media day. It's funny, Seth Davis comes over and he's like, hey, we got your achievements in. I was like, what are you... it was weird. He was saying, my achievements? What are you talking about? He's like, well, and I think it was our show. One of the shows we had, I was complaining about no achievements. He was like, we got them now. You got to tell everybody. The problem is, here's what's crazy, guys. I got to do this really quick. How many Walking Dead remasters, I know this is just pinball map, how many Walking Dead remasters do you guys think are in the world right now? In locations that are documented? 110. Alright, let me guess. In the world? In the world. Oh. No, but keep in mind they didn't even sell out of their, they didn't even sell out of their LEs at 500. Yeah, 75. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Walking Dead remastered. Walking Dead, yeah. It would have been whatever the day the media day was, it would have been that Wednesday in, what was it, in February sometime. Okay, so I know the achievements were ready, like they were programmed when the game launched. So but they didn't- The Walking Dead ones or you're saying the Pokemon ones? Correct. Oh, okay. Walking Dead remastered. So, I guess we're here to guess that that's how long the approval process took. Maybe, yeah. That's a good point. But you gotta have them, Kale, before TPF, right? You're showing off. They'll definitely have to have them before TPF. They gotta have them at TPF. Yeah, I know. That's a week away. So here's the thing. They could also... Haven't you seen them do this before, Kale? They'll drop a code release that's not public, but it's just for the event until they're ready for the public one. So they could do that too. Yeah. Okay. But I'm guessing they're saving like everything for T... Well when is TPF? Is that two weeks? Next Thursday. Oh, next Thursday. So they'll probably... That'll be like their news. You know, they're bringing Pokemon. They're going to bring that, the topper. Okay. Oh, are they gonna? Is that, is that actually... Well, I'm thinking... I'm just guessing. Okay. Because those guys at media day, we didn't see it, I guess like a very limited people. We're talking up this topper like this is going to be such a blow your mind topper. Did they tell you it's like some kind of fish or something? I don't know all the characters. I don't know. I don't either. Jamie knows them all. He can get them all. I got them all down, Pat. Okay. Yeah, so I'm guessing that's going to be like their reveal at TPF. You're going to get the topper. They're going to have achievements. People are going to be collecting achievements at TPF and hopefully they have the Pokedex In your, not on the game, but actually in your app, which is not available yet, right? I don't know actually, did you know it's not in there? I looked. Because he demoed that for us and it was pretty cool. Like it was cool because it just, it felt like very video game-ish, you know, like here it is and you can see it was cool. But I'm guessing maybe for TPF they'll have the code update for that too. I will say this, Cale, and Cale and I were talking about this before you joined. And you do get a Pokemon and that countdown is rocking. It's cool. It's fun shit. Yeah. This is the best part of the game. Because like, you find the you find you discover the Pokemon right in the woods wherever you are. And then it's like you have a timer. It's a hurry up to catch this damn thing. And you were like hyperventilating because you I don't I don't know when I'll run across this thing again. I don't know. That is the coolest damn thing. Yeah. Tell me, since both of you guys have played this, what the hell is up with the pop bumpers? Like, why is my ball going up there and getting caught up in there forever for no reason? There's no target up there, there's nothing to hit. Maybe they'll, you know, add something in the code where if you hit that green pop bumper enough, it does something, hopefully. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., Ort I set this up in the office to update it and fix it, get it ready for the floor. And every time we're playing, we're like, how long do we have to wait for this ball to get out of the pop bumpers? That's how I feel about the whirlpool in Star Wars. Star Wars, yeah. Same thing. Same thing. And a lot of people have modded that to remedy the issue. Yeah, I did notice the pop bumper sits up there. But what about, you're not talking about the pop bumper that's in the arena though, right? No. Like that one is in the arena just to... Well it's one in the same. But is there another one? Is there another one on the other side? Yeah, another one. Okay, I don't remember that because it's been a while since I played it now. I liked the one in the arena because on the pro you don't have the magnet and I feel like even though that pop bumper's on both at least you get some of that chaos and that arena thing. Yeah. I love the pro on this one by the way even though I hear people say, why the pro? I think this one is like an awesome version of a pro because you get everything and the stuff you don't get I don't feel like is major stuff but... Yeah, the pop bumpers, I think once I describe it I think you'll remember when it goes into the two lanes up top and drops down there's two pop bumpers there. Okay, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. I guess I didn't really think about it at the time but it does kind of sit up there for a while. Yeah. Yeah. And as the code sits now, I don't think there's any reason for it. Yeah. But I love the side armor. Yeah. On a pro. What do you mean? This is a first. This is a first. Oh, because they put the angled side armor? Yeah. Yeah. Where it covers the button area, right? Right. And I'm wondering if that's, you know, it's very hard to give and then take back. So I wonder if that's just going to be a normal thing with pros from now on. I want to say, see I don't get pros, so I don't know. They were doing it on premiums for a while. Yeah, they, yeah, but never pros. Yeah, it always had the standard side rails, right? Yeah. It's so funny, imagine like how much metal do you think, like in a way, like how much extra, like that little, that little triangle, like how much more is that? It costs money. I don't know. What do you think? Like is it like 50 cents per side or is it way more than that? God. Who the hell knows? Eddieboline Spike 3's do you have? Star Wars and Walking Dead Remastered? Yeah, just those two, yeah. You notice how hard it is to close the door with the display in it? So that's another thing... What is up with that? I don't have that problem, but I have another problem that you'd think is so bizarre. This problem's weird, man. Yours is weird. That is weird. So did Eureka have that same problem, Jamie, or no? Yeah. Okay, that's obviously a problem. Like, there's some alignment issue there. Yeah. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, I've practically raised the machine off the ground to get it off. I'm like, what the fuck? What is going on with this? Right. You know how easy spike twos are? They just go in and out nice. They obviously, I mean, with the fitting issues they're having with the spike three head, it's obvious. You know, Gomez was talking about this. He didn't want there to be any changes to the dimensions. He wanted the spike three to look the same as the spike two, so when you have it in the how do you think serious and Well, see, that's a tough comparison because that's not the full Spike 3 cabinet yet. That still had the old head on it. So I don't know what the excuse would be of that. So I don't know. Well, they put the bigger display in it. Yeah. So I think them doing that in the old style head caused some kind of issue. Because I had the same issue. I almost couldn't get that back glass out, that Translight. And the problem is over the years, That little lip gets brittle. People are going to snap that thing right off trying to get the back glass off. So buy some extras. Yeah. So Rudy's thought, and I was like, huh, you might have a good point, because my Star Wars is a Spike 3, and that's when they started introducing the better sound system. And Rudy's like, well, what if they did that so the back glass wouldn't vibrate but they fit it too tight? and Jay Roberts, хороший караг Segmentsably It would be unfair for me to give it a rating right now. Good for you. Good call. Good call. Maybe I should have shut my mouth with the B minus thing. Well, you think about it, man. Like, the whole game is going to change in a couple months. Oh, I know. Yeah, so it's tough. I'm just giving you what, when you go... Like you're saying based on current state. Based on current state. Based on current state. Have fun getting Pokemon. That's fun as hell. Right, the code, and I'm very well aware of that Ralph, and you know, the code's not going to change the weird launch. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, that's crazy that they're doing that. And that's the first thing you experience with a pinball machine, the launch. So when that's, when that janky you already like what the fuck what going on here You know it a brand new machine Is there no there no have you guys looked like there no one is there anyone talking about what might be the cause of it or anything I didn't have time, I didn't have time to look. I don't know what Taylor did. He was messing with it, so. Did he fix it? Yeah. Oh, okay. You have to ask Taylor. Yeah, it was, it was so bad. On Rachel and I, when we played our first game, we could not get it all the way around. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Larry K. Sheats Jr., I did put the custom shooter rod on it with the zombie head and I had to put a red spring on it though. That is one thing, if Stern does listen to this, because they're one in their lobby who's doing the same thing. They have a weaker spring on that shooter rod and as soon as you install it, it can't even dribble up. You can't get the skill shot. You can every now and then maybe. I don't know why they're not putting better springs in these. There's a lot more to pull back on because it's got a frigging head at the end of it. I don't know why they're not... Because their one in their lobby was pretty bad too when I played it there, but I don't know. For what that's worth, I don't know. I think they should put better springs. God bless them. Jamie hates spring talk, so we'll move on. Yeah, let's move on. Wait, I have to say something amazing. Dude, this game looks cool. Yeah. This game looks super dope. Where'd you put it? I'm going to give them an A-plus on how cool this damn thing looks. Can I guess where it is? Tim Tim Kitzrow, Wily Winkler, Tierney, unbelieabel vagabond, apparently will now I always wondered, I always wondered and never asked you guys, asked you, but I'm like, the games always seem to do really well there and they're always the new ones that you put there. So I was like, there has to be some rhyme or reason to that. But oh, they know. I'm going to check the camp when I when I check the cameras before we started, there was a line to play and man, there's still people on it. Great. There's a line right now. You can see it. Yeah, there's there's yeah, there's people hovered around it. They're playing a four player game. There's people waiting. This. This thing's gonna be a hit. It's gonna be a hit. It's gonna print money. It's gonna print money. You should have put it thanks to the ATU. Before we go to the next topic, like, why do we think, as far as like, launching a game with a lot in it, is it getting worse? Because it seems like now we're not even getting achievements. We used to get achievements on launch. And I'm just wondering if the ability to push updates are so easy now that the developers are like, well, you know, we can just we can do it later. Yeah, but yeah, but I mean, this made a conscious effort to put this game out early to location. So it seems like why that would have been like a double like, well, well, actually, I say it would be good. I don't know, but it's our expectation that they're there and they're not, but I don't get that. You purposely did this because you knew Pokemon would be popular on location and then you didn't put the achievements. Even if you just did a subset of achievements, you don't do them all, just do some ones because it's a new game. I don't know, I just think that's weird. I don't get it. Unless, like you said, I think you said it, Kale, maybe they have to do licensure approval with the Pokemon company when they... I don't know. I would think so, but... Probably. Well, that's the line anyway. That's the line I would say. But why would they for achievements though? Oh, because there's like an icon that goes along with it. Maybe they have to approve the icon artwork. No, they definitely do. They have to do it for everything. Oh, yeah. That kind of sucks, but... That does suck. All right. Moving on. Why do you seem so bummed out? Well, I just don't like crapping on anybody, but you know... But we didn't crap. That's not crapping. Did we crap? That's not crapping. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. That's not crapping. I don't think it's crapping. I don't know. Just leave it. Jamie, sometimes you think of stuff as like... I think they're doing the best they can. But Jamie, like, that's not crapping. It's just us saying like, we used to have them there and they're not there now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, come on, guys. I'm getting better. I'm getting better. I don't view that as crapping. Yeah. It really isn't. Light criticism is what I would call that. Light criticism. Yeah. It's constructive criticism, really. How do you build people up? We love... I mean, we just spent... Are you listening? We just spent the first 30 minutes talking about their new games, so they should be They probably are stoked. Ladies and gentlemen, on the round table, we're like the Marines. We break down and absolutely destroy pinball manufacturers and build them up into something they could never become before. That's our goal. Without us. Who the hell is Dungeon Crawler Carl? Who the hell is this dude? People are freaking out. Why are people freaking out about this dude? The people are freaking out. Okay, so the rumor is, well, it's not a rumor because there was some, I don't know, there was like a comic convention or something like this and the author of Dungeon Crawler Carl mentioned he was on stage and he mentioned that how much the IP is blowing up and they have a lot of stuff in the works and one of those things is a pinball machine. Oh, that's where it came from. I didn't even know that story. Oh, yeah. I'm going to go with the K. Yeah. And so then this is where everybody started guessing. Yeah. Barrels. People think it's barrels. People think it's barrels. And we know, I knew this before it was ever mentioned, that Karl Karl DeAngelo is a huge Karl fan, Dungeon Crawler Carl fan. Yeah, he's Karl with a K. Dungeoncrawler Karl with a K. Is Karl Karl DeAngelo with a K? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Wow. What a coincidence. Karl might be a C. No, I think Karl on the book is a C. I think so. All right. Never mind. I don't know. Chat? Let me know. I was trying to connect the Ks. Don't kill us, you Dungeon Crawler Carl fans. So tell me, are you guys familiar with the book? Never heard of it in my life. So I never heard of it, but I travel so much. Here's what's weird. You know when you see things, but you don't really care, So you just kind of like log it in the back of your head and then maybe it gets pushed out. Well, I had seen this book a bunch of times because anytime I go to get a water at the airport, it's on like the book top ten thing. But I didn't think anything of it. But then once that little image came out, I'm like, oh, crap, I've seen that book like a zillion times in the airport. That's it. That's all I knew about it. I don't know. I still don't know anything about it. Yeah. Is Dungeon Crawler Carl cool? Like, does he? So Rachel got into it. Oh, cool. All right. She's on the second book. Okay. She loves it. It's so cool. Is she audio booking it? Because supposedly that's the move. That's what I heard. I heard the guy who reads the audio book, it's like, it's better than the book. Well, books are great. Please read people. But the audio book is the guy does all the characters' voices and it's very theatrical. They say that's, even if you've read the book, you should experience it as the audiobook. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Rachel... Isn't there some kind of cool retro element to it? Like, is it set in the 80s or something I heard? Or is that not right? I don't know. Okay. I don't know. But like, the world has some like, serious change to it. And there's... Aliens, right? Something like that. And then, you know, people that know what's going on would be like, what the hell? So the world completely changes and it's almost like a cross between the running man, like a game show, and like you trying to get through dungeons. And the main character has his ex-girlfriend's cat, and the cat's actually more powerful than he is. And it's a it's a it's a grand adventure. And there are like there are multiple books. I mean, there might there might be like 10 books. Oh, boy. Yeah, already. Yeah. Well, it's passed me by. Clearly we know a ton about it, so you've come to the right place. You've come to the right place. And let's make sure this topic is germane. Is this going to make a great pinball machine? You know, these dungeon crawler Carl people really are addicted to it. And, you know, they only need to make 500 of them, right? So long, friends, Tomeleound Facebook, and John Haskell and number one star fan, Carl pull it off. He easily sold 500. I think a game, I think Carl, I think Carl can pull it off just on his name alone. Yeah. Carl Dungeon Crawler or Karl DeAngelo? Okay. Both, right? Isn't that what you're saying? Like he could pull off Dungeon Crawler Carl. Carl could pull off Dungeon Crawler Carl. Right, because this is a more well-known IP than the Winchester house. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that's a plus. And then you have Karl's second game, or it might be a third, I don't know, by the time it comes out. And you know, designers learn more as they're going along and building machines, so I think it could be a hit. I had dinner recently with someone John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. The Whitewater? Oh, that's right. I did hear Whitewater. Well, I don't know if that's the next one or not, but that was pretty highly rumored, too. Whitewater 2? Yeah. I don't know. We'll find out. Whatever. Maybe he'll bring something to TPF, although... Actually, there's going to be new games at TPF by someone, right? Well, there's going to be a bunch of Beetlejuices, because they've got the show games. One of those is coming home to Eureka Heights. Renier Matüygy, We Catch the Lip of Your saute, Beaver, To your right is the artist and MC Pat ettiman, DJ Matt principio, I'm not even going to know it. Jamie, I know the guys over there, but hey, this is the guy that talks shit about you on the podcast. Hexa guys who are really nice from France. Here he is. Good luck on Three Musketeers. I'll play it. I'll play it. We're playing everything. Yeah, we are. All right. Are you guys excited for the potential reimagined version of Circus Voltaire, which was broken, by the way? Ralph's getting a lot of credit for this, Kael. No, it wasn't broken by me. It was his. No, I just meant people in the community are regurgitating that you are the one of the source, but really, that guy's the source. Are they? I don't think anybody gave a shit after I said that. They were like, oh, cool. I don't know. I think Zach Meny said he heard it from you. That should have been, yes, that should have been, that was, Cale was the source, but I was saying, I didn't reveal the source, but now you just did. Damn, I'm supposed to be in the shadows. I thought you were, I thought Cale was supposed to be the guy that keeps feeding me information, but no one knows who it is. Okay, well, I'll have to add to that. After Circus Voltaire, what's coming? Go. Fish Tales, and then, and then, Jamie, are you ready for this? World Cup Soccer. Wow. Huh. You think they could upgrade World Cup? See, I would have put World Cup out now with the World Cup coming. Well, give them time. They're still hiring people, bro. They're hiring everybody. I'm working for American Pinball now. That's what I was going to announce on the podcast. I work for American Pinball. Congratulations. No, I don't. So, pretty cool. Our buddies, Robin and... Yeah, it is cool. And Nick from the Electric Playground are joining American Pinball. Can I ask you guys something? Absolutely. So I was so busy today that I had a chance to look at everything, but anything, but I did see the little headline on that. But does this mean they're still going to have Electric Playground as a company or are they stopping Electric Playground? I was confused. Did they disclose that at all? No, I think they're working part time, I think. Okay. All right. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Get the licensing for all that music and let's do Tony Hawk pro skater. That would be freaking awesome if that actually happened, right? Because that's all it takes, the money. Let's go. Let's go. You got to have the first level be from the first level of the video game in the warehouse. It just has to happen. Both of you guys flipped that game, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't after he updated it though. I only played the first year. I didn't play this past expo. I didn't play it. So I didn't get to- You missed out because he's got a ball safe thing that's going on. That's a flip around thing, Majicki. Oh man. Dude, it's sweet. It is really sweet. Yeah. Nick's the man, dude. And he's a good dude. Yeah. Yeah. He's a nice guy. He'll be at CPF. Okay. Well, I don't know. Will Rob be there too? Do you know? Rob's gonna be there. I gave him a congratulations today. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Oh, okay. But I don't think it could be Circus Voltaire. Not that quickly. Right. So, like, what... So, what the hell is it? Oh, it could be... what's that game with... it has Josh's face real small in the... on the leaked photos? Cuphead? Cuphead. Yeah. They could be looking at Cuphead. Oh, that's true. So, wait, is it the Electric Playground picture? Which... where's the picture? Who posted it? Yeah, it... go... the Electric Playground. If you go to their social media... That's weird, I see a post from nine hours ago, but it's him and Rob Burke. I don't see... No, no, it's the one before that. Oh, okay, hold on. I want to see what you're talking about. Oh! Oh, that's interesting. And there's a bunch of stuff in the background scribbled out. Yeah. Oh, man. Congratulations to our good friends, and, you know, good luck. That's awesome. What a great hire. And a friend of mine that I play pinball with at Eureka Heights, John Swartz, has now joined their board. He's a bright young man and that should do well for them too. So congrats. Yeah, that's what I think. And to go back to your original question that we didn't touch on, are we excited about Circus Voltaire Reimagined? Man, with these games, I hope, I don't know what they think reimagined means, but usually when When people want these, like a brand new copy of these classic games, they don't want new art, they don't want anything crazy, they want to, you know, you can maybe update some code or choose to use that code, but I really hope you don't see what they, you know, what was that one, the Funhouse? Funhouse 2.0. With all the crazy new graphics, you know, I mean, it didn't sell very well. So maybe they, you know, could learn that lesson. But hopefully they keep it as true to the original as possible. And you're right, Jamie, they do have they're growing quickly. A fabulous team. Yeah, I'm kind of I'm they're kind of making me more excited as they keep going. I just want to see what they're going to do. I really want to see their original IP stuff. Like, I want to see what they'll do around that. Not original IP, but stuff they'll license. I think that I'm excited to see where they go with that. Do you guys think we'll see a licensed game from them this year that's not a reimagined one? Man, with a team that small, I just don't see how. No way. Yeah, I don't see how they would either. No way. I guess we'll find out. All right. All right. Good. But I did want to say there's one. Good luck. Good luck. It's one thing. They never defined what reimagined meant though. So I get what you're saying though because I do think that most of the people that want these old games want them the way, like just give me a new one with new technology but it looks exactly like the old one, you know? Dude, take your time. There's no rush. The guy's got bucks. Take your time and give me a cool theme. Don't give me circus. Jamie just basically said don't release, so you don't want him to release the remakes. You just changed, you changed the whole direction. Who's gonna buy it? Hey, you guys, um... I'm not buying it, but... How familiar are you guys with Americans, like the software and hardware? I'm not, because I've never owned one, so I don't really know much about it. Only from a tech perspective of what a, you know, tough situation it could be. I feel like we might be driving towards trouble with this conversation a little bit. Are we, or... No, no, no, no. I just think, you know, well, obviously, GTF has had a lot of issues. And, you know, and finally, you know, like, Steven Bowden and, and David Fix came out and then finally admitted it after they tried to put the game in INDISC, Jim did. But Um, uh, American pinball machines are notorious for having flipper issues. I mean, to the point where with Galactic Tank Force, before they put it in INDISC, uh, you know, the team from the former team from American that went to fix things, you know, they were like, you can't have the American pinball coils in there, you have to switch them out for Williams coils, you have to add heat sinks and you have to add fans. Fans. So, Wait, what did you guys have to add fans to? A commercial game? You had to add fans to the flipper? Well, they did for INDISC is what he said. Oh, because they get so heavily played. Okay. No, it's just because they won't, they don't work properly. So they were like making all the... They get that hot that they have to have them? Like you're saying like even just for... Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. That sucks. And that's what I'm wondering if, if the team at American has remedied that. All the app. Where you don't have all that. Because it was, I've operated American pinball machines and you'd have like, all of a sudden, like one flipper would just die out of nowhere. You know, and man, you cannot have that. I mean, a prestigious title like a Circus Voltaire, like a Fishtails, World Cup Soccer, you, people are used to that snappy feel, that Williams feel. Kale, I know you guys always talk about it on the back cast about how you really like to put games in the arcade that you guys like, but has Circus Voltaire ever been in there? Like, have you ever had one? And would you have any interest in having one? No, I, I, well, first of all, they're, they're too damn expensive. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, and Rachel doesn't like the color scheme. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, for real. Yeah, she hates, she hates the way it looks. But do you guys like the game? Or, or not really? Yeah, I like Circus Voltaire. There's not that much going on. Yeah. This is so much fun. Yeah, we like, we like playing it at other people's arcades. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's fun. It's a very cool game. But you guys probably wouldn't, like, pick one up for, if they, like, you wouldn't really be interested in it, right? No. No. Yeah. No. And we do, you know, we have the World Cup soccer in the arcade and man, everybody loves that thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that gets a lot of play, it seems like, when I'm there. Mm-hmm. But there does seem like a lack of World Cup soccer's out there. Is there a... Yeah, I don't know. I haven't looked at the market. I don't know. Yeah, I just don't know if there's such a clamor in for these games. I like this. Anyway, good luck, American Pinball, and good hires. Yeah, for sure. For sure. There you go. Did you guys watch Josh and his brother last night? Mm-mm. Yeah, I did. I watched a little bit of it, not all of it. I watched a little bit of it. God, they had up to 400 people at one point we're watching. Josh who? No, you said Josh. You mean Joel and Jared. Joel and Jared. Oh, Joel. Yeah, yeah. I love you, Jimmy. You're like, you know, Bill and Tom. They did that on the spot last night. I'm like, you know, fuck face. Yeah, that fucking guy. He did his livestream. It's awesome. You guys didn't watch it? You were like, I don't even know what the hell he's talking about. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm a New Yorker. Billy and Tommy, what the fuck? Oh, I love you. I'm sorry. Sorry. I do love him. The guy is great and it's a great stream. His video quality is unbelievable and I'm not kissing his ass because I fucked up his name. But, um, they had, uh, Spooky Luke on. Oh, they bugged on, right? I think it was Bug. Yeah, they had Bug. See? Do we have another topic? Maybe you'll be better at the next one. I'll do better. I'll do better with Amos. The next time, I'll do better. I'll do better. They had someone from Spooky there, and... His name was Bug. He said that the next title was going to be a wide body. Are you sure they said that? Yes. Oh, okay. Wait, that Spooky said their next? Well, there is a wide body. Yeah. And so if their next is a wide body, or goonies. Yeah, I'm just fucking this up all over. Let me let me take it over from here, Jamie. Take it. I had something to work today. I did. I did not watch the stream. And I'm so happy to hear that. Because I'm excited about goonies. And when Rachel and I were talking about goonies, I was like, you know, I think they're going to go back to a wide body because there's so much going on. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. It's really funny. That topper is a game changer. If you're getting it without the spooky speak, what are you doing? You're gonna have to spend the money and get that spooky speak. It'll be interesting how it works in an arcade. Do you realize I might be on the cusp? I'm close. The spooky speak video I did on Facebook is up to 920,000 views. It's crazy. Crazy. I'm like, I want to, I've never had a video ever hit a million views, but if it, I'm like, please go there, but it's kind of starting to peter off now, but... What, on Facebook or YouTube or... On Facebook. On Facebook? Yeah. Dude, you're crazy. I want it on Facebook. I don I don get it but I think the reason why so I was trying to figure out like why people watch this one specifically I think because when they first open it up it shows Beetlejuice it shows the topper which is cool and it so immediately you hook a Beetlejuice fan hook a Beetlejuice fan and then I saying Beetlejuice Beetlejuice and they want to see what happens with the pinball machine when I get to the third one So I think that's the hook, like that's the reason why people watch that. Because I was getting, my, my, Kim was like, what's going on with your phone? I was getting all these people messaging me on, on Messenger, and they're like, do you sell pinball machines? Oh my god, Beetlejuice is so cool, how do I get one? Where are these? I didn't know this existed. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Larry K. Sheats Jr., I believe me, I'm like, I still didn't call the guy. I feel bad. I've just been work has been so stupid. Why don't you just hire me? And I'll run it. And then I'll move there. I would hire you, but I would, but we need the working capital first. You and I need to scrounge up our pennies and come up with that. Yeah. Oh, you mean I should do that and then hire you so I basically That's the point. I'll work up all the cash. Do that. Do that. Cool, man. That works better. I'll risk on me. Jamie's like, it's not working out of my mind. Well, that works better for me. I know it would. Yeah. So Ralph got his Beetlejuice as well. We're getting one of those famous show games at Eureka. Are you getting one? Yeah, they're getting one. Mark, did Mark get it yet? The Beetlejuice? Yeah. He probably has it at his house. You know, he likes to put the GC on it before he brings it to the arcades. That's a good move. If he actually knew that, I could see him totally doing that. The only reason I think that is because like last time, what was it, Evil Dead, like Bug messaged me, he said, what do you think about Evil Dead, what are you talking about, we don't have it. He's like, well, it says it was received and that's how I knew it was at Mark's house. So, like last week I messaged Bug, I was like, hey, have you guys shipped the Beetlejuice? And it's been crickets. So I think Mark must have said like, hey, don't tell him. Don't tell him anything. Hey, real quick, because this has to do with Mark. This is really funny. So when he got that Beetlejuice, he texted me and said, hey, before I bring it to the bat, do you want to? I mean, not Beetlejuice, sorry. Evil Dead. He goes, do you want to come to my house and check it out? I was like, yeah. So I went to his house. He brought me to that place where you could probably tell us better than I do. He took me to that warehouse where they have all the ramps that they sell and all that All of that crazy stuff which is really cool. Yeah, Starship Fantasy. Yeah, that was awesome to see all that. But when we get to the house, Rudy texts me. He's like, hey, did you go to Mark's? And I was like, yeah, Matt Mark's playing Evil Dead right now. He's like, do you think he'll have me over? I was like, yeah, I'm sure he would. I'll ask him. He's like, well, there's one thing that's kind of weird. I'm like, what? It was when the fair was going on. He's like, well, I'm in full on Jack Sparrow outfit right now. Yeah, for the Ren Fair. Yeah. So I'm like, so I go to Mark. I turn to Mark. Hey, do you care if Rudy comes over but he's dressed as Jack Sparrow? And Mark's just like, I don't care, I guess. But so Rudy, like, the doorbell rings. And it's funny because Rudy's coming in all in costume and stuff. But and he he goes all out like full. I saw him. I ran into him at the Renvere. Full makeup. I mean, hardcore, expensive outfit, like real like leather. Like and that's funny because I think last weekend was the last. So it's around the same time. The Ren Faire just finished. Yeah. Yeah, he goes all... you realize he goes every weekend for the whole time it's on. So I don't see the dude for like two months. It's amazing. He looks so good. Yeah, it's amazing. All right, so Goonies, Widebody, you like it. We all... I'm pumped for that. I want that. We want to see that. I'm in on that. For sure. How many do you think they'll make? You think they'll make over 1,500 or 1,000? Goonies? Goonies. I think they're going to do the same amount now. I don't think they'll do more than they can do unless they... I think they're in this interesting spot, right? Because they know they can build about a thousand games a year. But imagine the capital they'd have to go into their facility to do more than that. And I think they're like, look, we're kind of humming along pretty well here. It means we could do one game a year. I don't know. I think it'd have to... Do you think they'll expand that and try to do like two games a year? I mean, that would be a lot more capacity. I would do what they're doing because they found the secret sauce. They do. They have a niche in this collectible short run with cool IPs that people want. Can I ask one question that's off topic? Why did Kaneda lose his mind on the show games crap? I don't get that. I really don't get that. Why does he lose his mind? Christopher, what are you doing, dude? Calm down. It's a show game. I work for a technology company and we make demo units. And those demo units, that's, but like no one, we do it so we can like showcase it other places. I don't know why he got so upset about that. Like as a company, why can't, and he like literally said on his show, like they, I told them they can't do it anymore. Right. And they said they wouldn't. Yeah, but I don't get it. Well, I, I get it just because this is, this is, this is not like Stern. This turned into something different and, and it, I mean, I don't, what, How can I describe it? Is it a collectability angle? Like you said you'd only make a thousand but there's really a thousand fifty. Is that what it is? Oh, 100%. I mean think of, like if you were collecting a comic book and you had, you know, the first edition of it and like now you have it and, you know, the price is set at a certain level and they're like, oh, we're going to run another... Five more first editions. Ten thousand. Yeah. Yeah. That's all. It's just a collectability thing. 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But it's with any item. It doesn't even matter what it is. Watches. Rolex says, hey, here's our new watch. We're only doing 2,000 of them. And then they say how popular it is and, hey, we're going to run another 1,000. You know, any collectible item is just not proper to do that. But I do think, like, what about, the one thing I do think that they should be able to do though, like, let's just say show games aside, like, Jersey Jack with the Harry Potter launch had those ones called, um, it wasn't eval unit, but it was something like that. And those were the ones that got shipped to distributors for their showrooms. I think that's fine though. Like, they should be able to make some non-numbered ones if it's like a purpose like that. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Larry K. Sheats Jr., This podcast is made possible by theft.com. As always, thanks for watching. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. We'll see you next time. I'm sorry, I'm not sure if I'm saying too much information. I don't know what you mean. Well, you've got three cameras, you know, and so what me and Cale do is we add a fourth camera to have, you know, us and our reactions to what we're seeing. And I think people really enjoy watching your actions. I enjoy your stream incredibly because I want to see you and Serge go, you know, and get excited. And to answer your question, Ralph, for example, with like the Nationals, you have to show all the logos for the sponsors. And then right. And then and then you and then there's like with with INDISC, I think there's sponsors there, too. But yeah, there were they were rotating through all kinds of sponsors. Plus, you have the scores which come from Karl's software. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Yeah, sorry that sounded like I was dissing you but that didn't that didn't come out right. That's not I didn't need to sound like that. Hey, join the club. No, I didn't need it to sound like that. Spam the ass. I like that, to your point Jamie, like I like seeing you guys react. That's fun. Like that makes it a little bit more fun and more it makes it more like interactive in a way, you know? Right. And if you you go to Twitch and you see like the biggest streamers, you know, they're all video game mostly besides the girls that sit in the baby pools. But, um, they, you can see them. You can see the person who's, who's talking. You can, you know, they can, they can have reactions in the camera. I mean, that's how you, that's how you sell it. You know, Tom, this once Tom was like, I'm not, we're not stars. They're the stars. It's like an NFL game. You don't see Troy Aikman in a booth all the time. You just occasionally see them. That's why they, they like that. I think especially a surge in KaleStream takes on a life of its own that people really like. It's not just about the players, okay? It's also about their extensive knowledge of the game. It might be about the bullshit that me and Ralph talk on the line, whatever. There's a personality part about it because even though INDISC and Pentastic had tremendous amount of views, I don't know, I like it. Yeah. Yeah. And that, um, I understand the NFL analogy, but we're not the NFL. No. You know, like we, we need to find star power wherever it is. And you know, it's not always the player, you know, um, sometimes it is, but it like, It takes the commentary to describe what's going on. And people get in... It's just another selling point. Why not both? You have a really exciting player on the game, he's a star. You have the commentary people, they're the stars. And the machine's a star. I think it's just when you compare it to NFL, you're comparing it to old media. And that's not what this is. No, you're trying to get new people in the pinball. That's what we're always trying to do. And I don't know, I'm pro showing the commentators, always have been, always will be. And real quick, you need another rig and I'm selling three ZV-1s and three Axun's receivers and transmitters. All the power stratégic potions included with the I don't want to do anything else. No tournament streams? No tournament streams. I think I'm done. I think I'm retired. You know, I'd love to sit in at the... It feels right. The decision feels right. We're breaking. This is breaking news. It just feels good. It's just... I don't get to enjoy the tournaments as much when I'm streaming. You know this. You don't even play in them because you can't. Right? And I like playing in the tournaments more and interacting with the crowd. So you want some Xoons and some Zeevy Ones? No. Come on, I'll make you a deal. But I would need another capture card. I don't want to do all that. I'm fine. Yeah, have everything you need. You know what you need? Do you have a capture card? Yeah, probably. What do you mean, probably? I have everything. What do you use? You can even take the Yolo Box. You want the Yolo Box? Nah, I'm fine. Wait, you're getting rid of the Yolo Box too? No, I'm not getting rid of the Yolo Box. I'm just kidding. I love the Yolo Box. No, there's, you would need another capture card. Yeah, go buy another capture card. I'm fine. I like doing what I'm doing. I know, but two rigs at the bat would be pretty BA. Yeah. What I need is, I need the ability to like stream our Tuesday nights. I got like a tiny rig with two that would be cool actually you know on league night do it oh that would be cool too many people way too many there was yeah it'd be so hard to roll it around with everybody like 120 last tuesday damn that's awesome how do you have you ever come across someone that didn't want to be streamed oh that was it i saw your video about that yeah um Not any... I was just going to say, where this came from is I was watching a stream, Carpool Pinball, and a kid was on and he was nervous. You could see he was nervous, right? And they chose this group because it was a dynamic group of people throughout Texas, and the kid just got nervous. And then a parent came up and was complaining that their kid was being streamed because John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Space Driver Classic Winning Discounts Early clothes,iarbywinningcit.com I have had to deal with this a couple of times. You have? Yeah. One guy, and it wasn't like a nervous thing. It was just like not wanting to be online, kind of, almost like Luddite type vibe. And I was like, and I just moved the rig and like, you know, he had some hot shots like John Shopper, everybody wants to see. Right. And he was like, you know, I'm not doing this. He's like, can you put tape over the camera? And so I handed him some gaff tape. And, but he didn't, he didn't ever apply it. So we just, we went, we went along. So that, that was one time. And, um, and then, uh, the only other time we were doing like the Chewy's knockout and one guy, I I moved the rig and I was coming to like Joker poker and this one guy was like, man, do you really want to do this? I was like, yeah. He's like, he's like, man, man, you know, he was just like, you know, I really I don't feel good about this. I was like, well, let's try it out and, you know, see what you think. I think it'll be fine. And and he was like, cool with it. So, yeah, I've seen little situations like that. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. I'm trying to accommodate them, everyone all the time as well, Cale, right? Just like you. I'm just trying to accommodate. If you don't want to be on stream, I'll try to avoid you all night. But if you make it to the finals, I could put something over your face on OBS. It's real easy. What about like some little like eyes wide shut masks? Just keep those, keep those around. People get nervous though. We had a bunch of people that just say it just it takes me off my game. Okay. No problem. And that's the beauty of two rigs. That's why you need another rig because you can just go, all right, forget you. It's true. Forget you. We're going over here. We're going over here and then when you're off, I'll just boom, go back over. So there you go. All right. We're almost coming to the end here, gentlemen. Not bad. Hour and 13. Doing pretty good so far. Yeah. Ralph and Cale. Have we had a discussion of how to grow a pinball? This is an important conversation, right? Because we always throw, it's the IP, it's this, it's that. What do we need to do? Why isn't pinball bigger than it is? Why did pickleball grow and pinball is still relatively unknown? Yeah, what made me think about this the other day, I used to think pinball is too complicated. It's hard to explain all the rules, especially with modern games. You need surge and three or four hours of your time to go through a modern Stern game, right? So I was like, it's hard to teach people how to play these games. You need to hold their hand. And then I was like, even just, just flipping, forget about the rules. Just understanding what to do. At the arcade, I've seen people put a dollar in a machine and plunge the ball and then watch it drain. Like it's pachinko or something. And then do it again. You've seen someone do it and not actually flip a flipper? One hundred percent. See that's... Oh, wow. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Larry Kizrow, Knapp Arcade, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, I was like, well, that's the answer. Pinball is just too damn complicated. There are people that don't know you can't... I played in tournaments with like new people who had been in the arcade and played pinball and gotten some good scores. And then they play in a tournament and they watch somebody nudge and they call me over there to DQ them. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, well, he moved the machine. I was like, that's pinball. And then he's like, we can move the machine? I was like, yeah, as long as it doesn't tilt, keep playing. See, lots of people, they have no idea. And so, but then I went to, there's a world famous tabletop gaming place here in Arizona. And I don't even know the name of it right now, but oh, Gamers Guild. We went there to go check it out, buy some board games. And there was this massive room with people. I mean, the place is freaking sold out and it is huge. And people playing very, very complicated tabletop games. So that's when it got into my head. Well, it's not the difficulty of this, but then what the hell is it? You know, pickleball blew up because it's very simple. You know, it's like tennis. Everybody's seen tennis and most people have played tennis when you, especially when they're kids, you know, and that just blew up out of nowhere. But yeah, like, like, why is why is the industry why it us we're part of it too. Like, why is it so hard to grow this? Ralph, you're a newbie, you got sucked in what five years ago, four years? Yeah, yeah. And I think it's five now, but something like that. Um, well, I mean, this is this is like kind of a basic answer, but I kind of feel like Even though we think there's a lot of arcades out there and these games are everywhere, they're not nearly as everywhere as they were in like the 80s and 90s. You know what I mean? So I feel like I don't know what the I don't know what how many less arcades or locations because of course then you had them in like pizza places and malls and bowling alleys and you know. The best-selling pinball machine of all time sold 24,000 copies. And that was in like a year, a year and a half. You know, so these games are like everywhere on location. Well, that's what I mean. Like they were literally everywhere. So the public exposure to them now is like a small fraction of what it used to be. We just are caught in this small niche that it seems like a lot to us, but it's really not to the general person because unless they're seeking it out, they probably aren't going to run into it. Especially when you go to TPF and you see the thousands of people there, you're like, God, we're in such a big community, but we're really a pimple. I know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I do agree though with Cale on the... There might be some intimidation of it feeling complicated as like a barrier to get in. I'm like, oh man, especially like if I were to walk in, if my first experience was I just walked into any tournament, I don't care where you are, and I saw that group of people playing, I probably wouldn't want to play because I'd be like, oh man, they're really good. So I don't want to look stupid in front of these because that's a human nature thing, right? You don't want to look dumb in front of a bunch of people that are really good at something. Yeah, I don't know. There's probably a little bit of that, but. There's a lot of that. Do you think the industry do you think the industry could be better at marketing it too like all these companies could be better at finding ways to tie it in culturally to bring in more people? I mean I guess Pokemon is like a good theme to try to do that, but we'll never see the numbers of well how many new players did it really activate or whatever from a marketing term perspective. Like how many new players really came from this Pokemon crossover world? And is it just a small fraction that really doesn't make that much of a dent in the overall, you know, community? I don't know. I think one thing that needs to come back is a successful streamer. And there are there are a ton of streamers. But it doesn't feel like anybody has taken the place of Jack. Yeah, well, it's hard to do because he was exceptional at being able to still play good and talk. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Lyman F. Sheats Jr.., orbit ramps, Automated Amusements, Python Anghelo, Joe Kaminkow, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Because again, this is a rather Thank you design one, . And then the 2017 2014, John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, And, you know, tournaments, when we have a tournament at Eureka, we say, who's new here? Right? And they raise their hand and we go, all right, everybody, look out for John over here and Bob, okay? Make sure they play, they don't play at a turn because that's the biggest mistake and help them out, okay? Let's make this enjoyable for them because what do we want? We want them to come back. Right? So I think, you know, people that do these leagues that are like 10,000 ranking and above, those are awesome. I'd love to see, you know, more of that. Yeah, you know, no, and all that's great. But I mean, all all that's doing is describing decent people. You know, that that's not Yeah, that's not a formula to take, you know, Stern from, you know, 200 $300 million company to, you know, eight times that. Yeah, they have to get it more in mainstream, get it more like when Ted Lasso had his Wizard of Oz in there and stuff like that. It's got to be much more mainstream when Tua Lipa was laying over machines and that sort of thing. I don't know if you remember that. That was here in Houston at Poison Girl at Mike Flanagan's joint. Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of stuff you have to bring back into the popular culture. And, um, man, it's just like a struggle. I mean, I, you know, I feel, I feel for all of these companies. Yeah. It's a tough gig. And then we, you know, three jackasses that we are go talking crap about them. And, uh, and we wrap it up. It's pretty fun. It's a pretty fun night. So we're going to solve this. We're going to figure it out. Eventually we're going to figure out how to make pinball mainstream. It's like, you know, how does somebody, you know, that somebody loves pinball? They open their mouth, right? It's like the same thing with CrossFit. You ever met a CrossFit person? They don't shut the hell up. So, yeah. Oh, no, they don't shut up. They don't shut up. So as long as we keep talking and maybe we'll get some more people involved. And I will say this. So to your point about like people being just generally unaware of it, I said this in my last podcast, but I was at I was getting my hair cut and the girl that cuts my hair, she's like really into like a lot of like Marvel and Disney and Harry Potter. She's into every geek thing you could possibly be into. Everything. D&D, everything. So she was talking to me about something, and I can't remember if I was... I don't know if I just got back to what I've been up to lately. I was like, oh, well, I went out to Chicago to go see this new pinball machine. And she's like, oh, really? What was it? And I was like, Pokemon. And she's like, they made a Pokemon pinball machine? I was like, yeah. And she goes, oh, can I see it? Do you have any pictures? And I showed her, and she was like, oh my god! And then she pulls another guy over from the other chair cutting hair and she's like, did you ever see there's a Pokemon pinball machine? He goes, they still make new pinball machines? And then this other guy's like, Pokemon pinball? So they all start freaking out about that. And I go, hey, now that I know that you're interested in this, because she really loves Harry Potter, but I didn't ever talk pinball with her. I go, there's a Harry Potter pinball machine too. And I showed her that, she lost her shit. She's like, oh my gosh, I want to play it. Where do I go play all these games? Like, where can I play the Pokemon? So, so you know what I mean? Like they're interested. The people that would be interested are out there. They just don't know it exists. Like there's nerdy people, you know, or like that are into this stuff. They just don't have access to it. Like no one's sharing it with them. Right. That's how, that's the challenge is how do you get to all these people that actually would probably be really into it if they knew it existed? You know, that's the challenge. That's, that's the number one goal, right? Yeah, I think it's just it takes it in a very entertaining person to stream this and bring it to the masses. I mean, like, like right now, your biggest streamer in the world is a freaking peanut that's playing Ark Raiders. I mean, sometimes he sometimes he gets like 150,000 people watching him. Crazy. No. That's nuts. So stupid. But he's playing the exact same game everybody else is playing. There's just something about him. And you have to find that star quality, that person with the charisma. I mean, Jack Danger was it. You know, he could pull it off. He could talk to, he could talk, he could entertain people. He could play the shit out of a pinball machine. And nobody's ever been able to replace him. And I think, I mean, nowadays, like, that's what you need. You need somebody showing off your product. And that's it for the show. See you next time. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, and especially when people know they're being filmed like that would be a fun video and then he could teach them i don't know i would watch that all day long they're not using them in the right capacity like use his talent you nailed it because he's he does this ask jack thing right i like the ass jack it's great yeah it's really great but it's only speaking to a small yeah group of people that are already the The audience is already there. It's not new audience. It's the existing audience. Nobody's going to stop on that channel and go, what is this guy with the red box talking about? Yeah, right. But if he had a freaking pinball machine, you could see the score, you could see the playfield, it's freaking Pokemon, the colors are great, the dude designed the machine. Yeah. I mean, stream that thing five days a week like it's a job. David David Van Es family, Kevin Smith Kevin Smith You've seen him, right? I've seen him. Yeah. Do you think those are organic or do you think someone paid him to do that? No, I think they're organic. I think he really likes pinball. So you don't think anybody paid him to make that content? I'm just curious. I honestly don't know. I don't think he's that kind of guy. You know the best piece of Kevin Smith content I've ever seen? Look up, it's on YouTube. He does a talk about when he met Prince. It is some of the funniest shit on the internet. He describes just how weird he was and how he treated him. It was, I mean, it's not like, he's not like talking shit about it, but it was like, it is a very funny comedic piece. I'm going to say something really quick. I'm going to throw it out there. This is the part of the show I'm probably going to get in trouble. I really struggle with skinny Kevin Smith. I struggle with it, dude. Silent Bob was a bigger guy. Like, it's, I struggle with it so much when he tries to dress up as him again. They should put stuffing in or something. I don't know. It's so weird when somebody has a dramatic change like that. You're just not hungry on the other guy. Who's the guy that was he was in Superbad and he got really skinny and he was but he was always typecast as a slightly chubbier character. Wolf of Wall Street. What's his name? Is it Noah something? Jonah Hill? He's great. Yeah, he started doing jiu-jitsu, lost a lot of weight. Yeah. But he, that movie, Superbad is like... It's not the same. Superbad is funny. Superbad is a good movie. When he comes up and says that his name is Mick Lovin', it's like the funniest shit to me. I'm like, with these kids, like, dude, yeah, I'm Mick Lovin'. Like, you have no last name. I'm Mick Lovin'. That would make an amazing pinball machine. I could see that. I'm surprised that wasn't that homebrew super bad. Yeah. Someone make a homebrew super bad. We'll play it. All right. We didn't get in too bad. We did good today. Not in too much trouble. We skipped the topic, and thank God, because I don't want to talk about it. And, uh... Which one are you talking about? The one that has to do with YouTube? Yeah, we're not talking about that. Okay. Yeah, it's fine. Oh, God, though, I want to so bad. I really, I just wanted to know how it works. Yeah, well, I don't know how it works. We might have to ask somebody. Let's not do it. We'll get, we'll... We came out pretty good. We're pretty clean on this episode. We're pretty clean. Let's just keep it. The next one. We'll make up for it on the next one. Okay, focus team. All right, we're wrapping this up. You're such a little kid, you want to say it still. I'm not going to do it. All right, don't do it. Cale's the one that he killed me. All right, so TPF next week, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, the 19th, 20th, 21st and 22nd. If you haven't got your tickets, please go. It is going to be a blast. I'm going to be hanging out with this guy and we're going to be doing a live round table. I think it's going to be at 8 o'clock p.m. on Saturday night. Okay, cool. Okay? So, we're going to do it from the Fast Pinball and Marco Specialties booth, just like we did at the Expo, which is going to have a huge homebrew section, and that's why you've got to go to TPF, because Emota's done a really good job with Aaron of really promoting, Marko Promoting Homebrew Section. So it's going to be badass. So we're going to Riverside our friend Kale in there. Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. And then we got invited, Ralph, I didn't tell you this. We got invited to do the Marko Specialty Stream to host for a little bit. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's fun. Okay. I didn't know that. We're getting some pretty cool. This is gonna be fun, man. We got a couple of fun little invites and stuff. Yeah, we got and going to the Stern Army Party. Thank you, Michael Grant. Yeah, this is cool. On Friday night, right? Look at you. Do you remember when I passed you in the line at the Stern Army Party? Um, in Chicago? You remember that, right? In Chicago for con- was it con or was it, uh... Well, I can't even remember. It wasn't con. It was Stern Army Expo. Oh, no, it was Expo. Jamie was waiting in the line and you were just like, Peace, bro, and you like, walked by. It wasn't about- people were pulling me. But now you're in. I know it took two years to get to somewhat to his level, ladies and gentlemen, but you know, he just walks in, you know, Rob Burke, I don't need a pass, whatever. Okay, Hernandez. So TPF, that's gonna be great. What do you got coming up at the bat? You already had Chewy's this month, right? Yep, we already did Chewy's. Rachel and I are, we need to record a bat cast because we have earnings for what month did we just finish? Just did January, so February. February, that's it, there you go. There you go. Very exciting earnings. I can't wait to see what Pokemon does. Me too. So, if you've been following the Batcast, the Papa Shot Elite has been, you can't dethrone the thing. Like nothing can. Right. Star Wars is doing very well. It is making a shit ton of money. Really? It still cannot beat the Papa Shot Elite. I'm thinking Pokemon is the one to do it. So stay tuned. Yeah, that'll be cool to see. Pokemon. Is it too early to tell because you guys literally just put it on the floor, but are you finding just in the limited time? Is there more interest in Star Wars or less interest, just based on the limited amount of time? There's, uh, from the chatter in person and We have never seen this much excitement for a pinball machine, period. Full stop. That's cool. Awesome. And check out the electric bat, especially on Instagram and Facebook, because there was a really cool video that he posted about the, what was it, the big buck hunter, your big buck hunter that broke down. So that's pretty awesome. Ralph posted. The Ralph and Ralph posted it. That video did crazy good, by the way, too. Another one. That was like 30,000 views or something. And Roth Rills picked it up, which was really cool. Roth Rills even posted it. And Ralph, you know that, and Jamie, that was not staged. I sent that to Ralph as like, holy shit, look at what's going on. This was not a staged thing. The coin box was overflowing. That's a great game. Yeah, if you're an operator, pick up one of those. I think Zach sells them, right? Flip N Out Pinball? And now sponsored again. So I renewed my subscription. Oh, sponsorship. Not subscriptions, my sponsorship. So go buy that from Flip N Out Pinball, Zach at Flip N Out Pinball. Ken does a lot of the Roth Pearls games, doesn't he? Yeah, yep. He does some of the arcade stuff. Yeah. Should we start a Patreon? The three of us? No, right? Never. I don't want to do it. I don't think so. I like that you're having this conversation. I've always been against putting content behind a paywall. I understand why some people do that. But as soon as you do that, I find it changes your content. Even talking about like the New York Times. The New York Times, once they put up their paywall, everything changed because when they had the data, The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Mark Hamish, mt.com pre-crateson.com Any time you want to share NFPs i have guys of all age around the world just trying to try to dive into NFPs NFPs you sayty We're still working on 번 echtstyle! More information about the course will come out tuned stuck with video later B David David Van Es counterpart I've been in and been on behind the fence and out of All of these are pinball machines in seven and a half years. So it's not bad. Two pros. That's pretty good. Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know the exact number, but something like that. So it's like I get a little bit of money from that. And of course, all of that's just gone back into buying other shit. But I was just curious. I didn't write it down. I'm not really into that idea, to be honest. Yeah. So back when Rachel and I first started the Batcast, people were like, why are you not on Patreon? John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, That's a good point. I just wanted to make sure I was clear. That's a good point. That's a good point. And then you set up a tier and then you have to make good on that tier and then I would feel like shit if someone's paying five bucks for me and I can't keep that up because I know I wouldn't be. Yeah, so that's a wicked good point actually. So hey, I had the numbers wrong and I don't mind disclosing this because who gives a shit? You can see it publicly. In the seven and a half years, I suppose it was a lot more money than I thought. In seven and a half years of doing YouTube, I made $43,688.24. Was most of that for video game content? Uh, probably the bulk of that money probably came in the years of like 2020 to 2021 or actually 2019 to 2021. But it's not like, but it's been a small trickle. Like obviously after I start, stopped doing arcade stuff, like the amount of revenue that comes in is like dismal really. It's just small amounts, but. See so, so what Jack Danger was doing on Twitch was kicking ass. Oh man, print money. I mean, he wasn't twitch doesn't twitch have like a much better payment process than than you think you get paid more if you're successful on twitch right than you do on youtube i think i think so just from the subscribers because you know subscribe at his peak what did he have i have no idea i don't know so he and it was public somebody leaked and he even talked about it i don't know if you guys remember somebody hacked like amazon servers and got all the information and and he was part of that leak and it was somewhere upwardwnypnoyear1o vale trade with jackirkpinballgrabdave.com week here may be not the recipe at both 2 key You know, he said it on the, he, I think it was the last Ask Jack, he talked about wanting to come back. I really think it's probably a time, like, I don't think he has time probably right now because of... With all that designing he's doing? Well, because I don't know, it's weird. Like, what do you guys think though? Seriously, when he posts stuff, because I actually commented on something he posted, it was like a design, it was when he took like old parts from a different games and made it work together. And I said something like, are you, is this like future, is this part of the Tank Girl thing or are you just messing around? He's like, no, I'm literally just messing around. And so I think to myself, like, he's got to be so busy doing all this stuff, like, when would he stream? And like, could he not be doing that or is that really for maybe a game because he's still kind of dabbling in development? Like, it's kind of confusing. Nobody knows. Yeah, like, I'd love to know where his time is going. We just have a good time. We just want him back, right? We just want him back because he's a star and let's make it happen. I mean, it just makes sense. I think one sticking point is, you know, if you know Jack personally, he's a really great guy and he wants to elevate all pinball. And so if he was streaming, he would want to stream all manufacturers games. Oh, do you think there's a restriction there then? You think they wouldn't? This might be like a sticking point. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe he'd feel some kind of... I know if it was me and I used to stream like he did, and then I worked for a manufacturer, I would... and they were like, you can only stream Stern games. I would probably feel some kind of way about that. I almost would feel like, well, now I'm going to seem like that's... you know what I mean? I don't understand it, I guess, because he works there, but I guess, but I would, it would feel like you don't have the creative control of your own channel anymore. And people don't like that. And I get that. I'm the same way. I don't want to have someone tell me what my content is going to be, you know? Yeah. So. Boys, we did it again. I'm proud of us. It was a good show. Yeah, I feel like it was a good show. I feel good about it. I'm proud of us. I feel good about it. Another banger. Another studly performance. Before we go though, did you figure out what Victor does at Barrels? Yeah, he works on the assembly line. Okay. See? All right, good. I'm glad we found that. We love Victor. We want to see more of him. I know. I love Victor. This is why you can't stop streaming. We need more Victor. Yeah. He was funny in the commentary booth. He was great. He was having a great time. Yeah. I'm done. I'm done. I'm going to do- Let Victor. Just set it up and let Victor do it. J- Just give him full access. Victor here. Just press record. V- Alright. Listen. Hit me up, all right? You know how to get in touch with me. You wanna take over the stream, you... J- Tell him he can do that, but he's got to give us the next game title, and then we're good. V- I don't think anybody on that line knows the next game title. They keep everything well under wraps over there, man. J- They're pretty good about that, I will say. V- They're really good. They got a room with a special key and a doorpad. J- For real? V- Yeah. J- So it's like Skunk Works. It's like some CIA, like black ops. It's like scan your eyes shit. And David David Van Es sleeps in that room? You think he sleeps in there overnight just in case, just for security reasons or no? I don't know. I invited David to come play at the last tournament and I'll invite you right now because we've got a tournament tomorrow night at Eureka and come and tell us, do you sleep there? He's got to be super busy. They had a hit game. They're pumping out the dunes. Good times. No never-ending story would be my only thing. You're anti. But what would you rather have? Karl Kraler Dungeon or... Dungeon Kraler Karl. I would rather have that, even though I don't even know anything about it. Yeah, either. I would rather have that. So Jamie, you'd rather have Karl, Karl, Karl, whatever, Karl, Karl, whatever. Yeah, that's my vote. Krunk Karl. Stay off to the never ending. He wants that purple drink. Okay, Krunk Karl, Krawler. All right, we got to wrap it up. Thank you guys so much. Follow Retro Ralph on all of his channels. You know where to find him. The guy's printing money on YouTube and Facebook. And follow the JPS show. You know, just click that subscribe and the bell so you know when this comes up because it's 9 o'clock. I'll put it up tonight. Sweet. Yeah, why not? Why not? Do it. And then come see Jamie and I at TPF. Come say hi. We're going to be there. How many challenge coins are you bringing? I think I have like 20 of them. Whoa. Nice. Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to give out all 20 because they're kind of expensive, but we'll see. I might. We'll see. I think you got it. Yeah, save one for the bet. All right. And for me. Okay. Okay. So now you're a team now. I can do basic math. Okay, cool. All right. All right. Bye, everybody. Thank you so much. See you guys. Appreciate you. Thank you. Thanks for watching!