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Pinball Junk Drawer Episode 65 - Muggle Movie Review, General Whatnot and of course This Or That

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·37m 45s·analyzed·Feb 6, 2025
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TL;DR

Casual discussion of Harry Potter films, pinball restoration fails, new manufacturers, and historical pinball research.

Summary

The episode features a muggle's review of Harry Potter movies, personal anecdotes about Elvira pinball restoration challenges, discussion of emerging affordable pinball manufacturers (Wonderland Amusements, Ramps Pinball), historical research into pinball's origins in 1930s newspapers, and a lengthy 'this or that' game with Super Bowl-themed questions.

Key Claims

  • The first pinball-related newspaper article appeared in 1934 and was immediately about legislation against pinball machines taking children's nickels

    high confidence · Foghorn Leghorn describing newspaper.com database search results: 'I guess 1934 was the first like article that popped up and it was immediately about legislation because of all the pinball things that are taking kids nickels'

  • Wonderland Amusements is creating a sub-$1,000 three-quarter-sized playable pinball machine targeting the home market

    medium confidence · Foghorn discussing new Alice in Wonderland variant: 'They're trying to create a sub-$1,000 playable pinball machine... three-quarter size... a real pinball machine'

  • Ramps Pinball has a new game that will debut at Pinball at the Beach

    medium confidence · Craft Brew Sally: 'Ramps Pinball, they have a new game that's actually going to be at the Pinball at the Beach'

  • Spooky Pinball appears to be establishing itself as a stable long-term manufacturer with Evil Dead marking a business step-up

    medium confidence · Foghorn: 'it seems like Spooky's, is it like their long haul? They're here... With Evil Dead, you know, they've really stepped up. They're doing good.'

  • During the 1930s Depression era, people were breaking into stores to steal pinball machines for their nickel contents, which they would remove and discard along roadsides

    high confidence · Foghorn describing historical newspaper research: 'Everything else was how people would break in... they'd steal the cash, and they'd take the pinballs, and they would take the nickels out of them. They would break them open to steal the nickels'

Notable Quotes

  • “I say, I say, you all asked for it now. You're gonna get it.”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ 0:00-0:30 — Opening catchphrase establishing the show's character-driven presentation

  • “The first thing that struck me was my god these kids are like insanely young oh my goodness... all those little tiny details that kind of make it cool”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ 5:00-12:00 — Muggle perspective on Harry Potter films highlighting character youth and world-building details

  • “This machine is kicking me in the nuts at every turn... Elvira hates me”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ 25:00-35:00 — Expressive frustration with Elvira restoration problems: glass installation and repeatedly failing deadheads

  • “There's got to be a market for it... if you have like a bunch of kids running around and they want to play pinball now they can”

    Craft Brew Sally @ 42:00-48:00 — Optimistic assessment of sub-$1,000 affordable pinball market potential

  • “It's like out of the gate, out of the gate, they're hating on pinball”

    Foghorn Leghorn @ 58:00-62:00 — Observation about pinball's immediate regulatory opposition upon debut in 1934

  • “I think I'm going to have to go with Harry Potter on this one... You can reread those books over and over again”

    Craft Brew Sally @ 95:00-105:00 — Personal revelation selecting Harry Potter over Disney based on rereadability of source material

Entities

Foghorn LeghornpersonCraft Brew SallypersonJ.K. RowlingpersonHarry PottergameElviragameWoe NellygameWonderland AmusementscompanyDutch Extreme Pinball (DPX)company

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Spooky Pinball establishing long-term market presence and reliability perception; hosts noting satisfaction with Evil Dead release and company trajectory

    medium · Foghorn: 'it seems like Spooky's... their long haul? They're here... With Evil Dead, you know, they've really stepped up. They're doing good.'

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinball at the Beach serving as platform for emerging manufacturer debuts (Ramps Pinball new game premiere)

    medium · Craft Brew Sally: 'Ramps Pinball, they have a new game that's actually going to be at the Pinball at the Beach'

  • $

    market_signal: Multiple new pinball manufacturers entering market with differentiated strategies: affordable home machines (Wonderland Amusements sub-$1,000), niche IP (Ramps Pinball), and established stability players (Spooky, Chicago Gaming)

    high · Discussion of Wonderland Amusements, Ramps Pinball debuts, and comparative analysis of manufacturer business models and longevity

  • $

    market_signal: Sub-$1,000 affordable pinball segment emerging as manufacturers attempt to capture price-sensitive home and casual player market

    medium · Wonderland Amusements explicitly targeting sub-$1,000 three-quarter-sized machines; hosts noting market potential despite high build costs and margin challenges

  • ?

    community_signal: Skater Glenn involved in music/sound design for Ramps Pinball, indicating talent movement and creative collaboration outside established manufacturers

    low · Craft Brew Sally mentioning Skater Glenn working on music for Ramps Pinball game

Transcript

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0:00
Now who's responsi- I say who's responsible for this unwarranted attack on my person? I say, I say, I say, pay attention now, boy. This is, of course, Foghorn Leghorn presents the Pinball Junk Drawer. You all asked for it. I say, I say, you all asked for it now. You're gonna get it. Boy, oh boy, are you gonna get it. Go, I say, go away, boy, you bother me.
0:25
It's time for the one, the only, often imitated, never duplicated, only pinball podcast sporting a wall of 400 or more Wii games. Of course, I'm talking about the pinball junk drawer. Big Show 65, my name is Foghorn Leghorn. With me, as always, Craft Brew Sally. Yes, we're here to talk about Wii games. No, wait, that's the other show. We're here to talk about our thoughts about pinball. And since it's a slow week, dust off another this or that, because why not, right, folks? Right. Why not? We'll get to that a little bit later on. When? later on. Okay. Trying to think of a few things that went on this week. You know, last week I said something, and you can't unsaid something once you said something. I was like, well, I'll watch those Harry Potter movies. Aww. I don't think we talked about it on here, though, did we? I don't know. I think we talked about it on... No, it must have been the Pinball Junkyard because we were talking about the Harry Potter pinball machines. Saki-bama-gogo, I think. Okay. Well, the note-taker over there might correct me, but anyway. Yeah. we're going to review Harry Potter movies through the eyes of a muggle. That'd be me. Someone who is madly in love with them. That'd be crappy Sally.
1:37
Because I was like, I don't... You've read the books. You've seen the movies. You're a Harry Potter mania. I'm a Potterhead. Running wild on you, brother. I'm not so much. And that's okay. I don't dislike him. I just don't know or care. I knew of him from the osmosis of learning from you. you're like well that's Harry Potter I'm like oh okay that's that kid so we started watching this going down this adventure together and I watched the first one I know I've seen some of these well I'm sure that they've been on the TV when we've been doing other stuff but we went to movies I think maybe mostly you went with Man With No Name and Promi possibly or somebody else going on movie dates with other people maybe Anne you know so anyway uh i watched the first one and the first thing that struck me was my god these kids are like insanely young oh my goodness because i know the modern of them yeah you know when these these actors have been doing this for a very long time when was the first one from when was the first movie was like 2004 i wish you would have asked me this earlier it could have been more i could have jotted that down on my notes that's okay so we're through two of them and I get it I can definitely see how this I'm sure the books are much more elaborate much more so deep 2001 they're creating a world that's filled with like lots of interesting little things that add to one gigantic story you know it's how Star Wars is when you watch it you're watching a movie and it's a tale about blah blah blah and you can condense it down to just oh this is a retelling of a samurai tale or some crap like that But it's nonsense because there's like all these little tiny nuances and nods and things that make it cool and interesting. And that's the first thing that struck me from the Harry Potter movie. We've seen two, the first two. And like all those little tiny details that kind of make it cool. And when you have someone controlling the narrative, that whole thing, they know that universe. They stick to that universe. See, the wheels came off the cart with Star Wars because he sold it to Disney, and Disney likes money, not Star Wars. So it's about money, and now there's no attention to detail as far as the universe that was created, stuff like that. Then I give a nod to Harry Potter lady. J.K. Rowling. Sure, whatever. J.K. Rowling. Anyway, so she's controlling it with an iron fist because she doesn't want that to happen. Right. Not with an iron fist. She's very controlling. Yes. And that's the 007. People are like that. Well, it's like a kid to her. It's like one of her children. Right. You know. Hey, you want to change these lyrics? Forget you clown. These lyrics are our children. All right. I'm dropping a crusty clip here. I'm not going to. So, you know, so I get it. And I did immediately go like, oh, my God, this is just the first story is too big to be a pinball. Yeah. You know, because it's like, now you could just condense it down to like, they could do the six main, you know, like the code in the Harry Potter machine could be, you're them and it's those six things. The Sorcerer's Stone or Philosopher's Stone and the Chamber of Secrets. And that could just be, there could be six modes. And you would pick one of the, you would be the characters in each of the schools. Yeah. Like, you know, Huffle stuff and whatever, and Guyphan's life, and then the evil McEvilsons. And then, you know, so you could be like one of those, like, I'm going to be this guy, so I'm Super Evil Man, and then I'm going to go be the, I'm going to, you could play as that. But that would be so much. Yeah, it's too much. It's too much, you know. So it's an interesting conundrum. Yeah. But it was one of the funniest things about this movie, and I'm sure the books aren't like this. I joked about it. This is a bit I'm going to drop in. Like, when I'm watching this, they establish so heavily, one, the people that are taking care of Harry Potter are the most rotten, horrible humans that's ever been rotten. And they also establish that the little kid, the snake man, and his dad, they are literally the most evil of evil that's ever evil. Like, the director gave those two people, what is it, Malfoy and Senior Malfoy, Malfoy McGillicuddy, and they were like, okay, you're going to be blonde and evil. And then here is, he said, for your homework before we shoot these movies, here's every 1980s snob versus slob movie. And I'm going to watch these on a loop. And then also here's every horrible thing that happened in the history of the world. Okay? And then they watch that for eight months. and then they showed up to set and they're like okay now channel all that and every take even like okay do that but this time more evil and the actor's like more all right i'll try it was just like this this weird sneering demon with his two goons and i was like okay we can scooch that back the scoot week i get it we all get in the story well i get it yeah he's evil i I think I figured that part out. But it's like the director doesn't know how to scooch it back from 11. But they're selling the story. So I guess if you want to be the school of super evil, that's the other thing. You got four schools. You got four houses. Houses. That's what they are. Sorry. In a single school. Yeah, right. Now, what are the names of the houses? Save the best one for last. So the first one's Gryffindor. That's Harry Potter land. Hufflepuff. And then they have two that no one cares about because it's not good or evil. They're just the ones. They're just the middle. And then they're Slytherin. Yeah. Slytherin. Slytherin. Like, oh, what's the name of your thing? Oh, is Evil McEvilson taken? Oh, it is? Okay, well then, um, how about Rat Killing Snake Man? They're like, well, I guess if that's what you want to go down in history as. And they're like, done. I'm going to be a Slytherin. And you're like, I don't think... Ugh, okay. that's what you're going with? okay there you go so that's where we are with that interesting watch interesting from a muggle's point of view because I have no vested interest in these characters whatsoever anything to add to that colorful thing? no I think you've got it okay now I do need to stress all joking aside they are it is an enjoyable tale they are very interesting characters in a great setting so if they when they do come out with this whomever makes it it's going to be exciting to see. I mean, I definitely can see this being, like, a very beautiful and incredible pinball machine. Hopefully they do it justice. I'm sure they will. So we shall see if and when that ever comes out. Now, we did have a, I don't want to say a death in the family, but boy, oh, boy, what a mess up.
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  • ?

    product_concern: Elvira experiencing repeated mechanical failures (deadhead adhesion, glass installation) consistent with reported Stern quality control issues

    high · Detailed account of deadheads popping off repeatedly after re-gluing, glass installation damage from over-tightened rails, requiring multiple intervention strategies

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Uncertain whether competing Alice in Wonderland projects (DPX vs. Wonderland Amusements) were aware of each other or developed independently

    low · Foghorn questioning why two Alice projects exist simultaneously; speculation that projects may have been in development for years before announcement

    • 8:54
    We took apart the glass off of Elvira, which, for those of you at home, if you're dealing with the stern, super-tight glass that you think is going to smash you into a billion pieces at every time, just, there's a couple different things out there on the Internet. All you've got to do, really, is loosen up the side armor, the rails, the side rails. Just loosen them. Then tighten them back. Like, I took them all the way out, the bolt all the way out, then I put it like back together just like a scooch more than hand And then I just stretched it up a little bit and now the glass goes in and out So that the fix So that was for me anyway. I know people are doing wacky stuff and I was going to hit it with a Dremel but I didn't have to. Like to kind of scuff down that plastic in there. The rails. But they just had it tightened down too hard. It was nuts. So we put the art blades in and that went bad. I watched the video and we've done them before but you forget. So I watched a video and this guy popped them in. I was like, okay, easy peasy. So we put the one side in, no problem. Second side, as it was going down, it hooked and crept underneath the play field holder, like the pin. It was bad. So the bottom of our art blade's a little boogered up. You can't see it. It wasn't bad enough that we had to scrap the whole project, but it was damn it, man. There would be a new purchase in our future, I'm sure. Maybe at one point. I don't know. Just like, son of a bitch. I saw how easy it looked. And we've done them before and it was easy. I guess next time we're going to take the damn expensive play field out and set it down hoping it makes this process. You know, god damn. I was so pissed off. But it doesn't look terrible. You can't really see it. I was twisting the play field sideways holding it while Crafter Sally was trying to pull it off. And then finally we got it off and just redid it. You know, it was only along the bottom, so it's hidden kind of anyway, but it's just, what a disappointment. This machine is kicking me in the nuts at every turn. And then I put it back together, and the gargle fell off. So I'm like, son of a bitch.
    11:01
    This damn Elvira has had about 28 seconds of non-busted-ass play. Oh, no, it's not that. Okay, what, 40 minutes? Because I've never not had one of the deadheads on the bench getting re-glued. because now I re-glued that piece. But I'm like, I'm just leaving it off until the next one breaks. Because I'll wait until all four of them break, then I'll re-glue them all, then I'll put it back together. I'm not going to pull the glass up every week. I was like, son of a... Elvira hates me. I went over just to spite her. I turned on Woe Nelly, which has never had a problem in the history of ever. And I was like, hey, Elvira, this is how you go. And Elvira played a great... Or Woe Nelly played a great game. No problems. Turned it back off. Still didn't roll it, though. damn this damn machine i want to ah it's cursed but it's not i know but and it really isn't that terrible it's not as terrible as you're making it sound but well are we ever having all four deadheads in there no you know what the other thing is because those deadheads pop off now and everyone says once you re-glue them with the gorilla glue they stay together yeah i was like okay. So the first one popped off. I fixed it. Now we did this art blades and I got everything, kind of put all the pieces back together, got it working. And it waited until it was back together. Then the second one popped off. And I was like, you son of a bitch. So we pulled the glass partway down and I flipped it up and grabbed it and I just pulled the thing out. So then I was like, when I glued this one together, I noticed that the rod that holds the dead heads together has a hole drilled in it. And I was like, you know, if this keeps happening, I'm going to drill it and put a pin through it. And I'm just going to literally have a pin that's holding it that it can't fall off. And then I'll just paint it to match the gray. And that'll be it. I'll honestly have to reinforce it with a, not a cotter pin, but just a pin run through the whole mold, through the metal, and through the other side. And peen over so it can't come out. Basically, it will never be able to come apart.
    13:07
    I'm going to have to. We're going to have to talk about that. If the ones that I've re-glued start coming apart, that's what I'm doing. I won't even tell you. I'm just going to start doing it. I'll be like, well, don't have to worry about those anymore because they're actually one piece of steel. I had them created by a forge in Mordor, and I made it out of lava. And once it cooled off, 12 years later, it was made of one solid piece of steel. Isn't that great? It's not great. So there you go. Anyway, that's the Elvira. it's getting there did you now I remember we talked a little bit about the Alice in Wonderland did you know that there is a second Alice in Wonderland I thought I saw something about it so it's not the same one no it's a different company yeah the one is made by DPX which is Dutch extreme pinball or something like that and the second one is like by Wonderland Amusements or something like that They're trying to create a sub-$1,000 playable pinball machine. Huh. That's going to be tough. Yeah, it is. But home versions of pinball machines have been around forever. Yeah. They're usually just like, hey, it's the Fonz and some plastic piece of crap. Or like that Disneyland one we have from 1970. Oh, yeah, that's like tabletop. Not even. But I think their goal is to make like a three-quarter size, or it's going to be a little smaller, but it's going to be a real pinball machine. I think their timing might be bad, though. Because I think prices might be going up from all the Chinese-built stuff or wherever it's going to be coming from.
    14:49
    But what are your thoughts on that? Is there a market for it? There's got to be a market for it. Well, I mean, if it's playable, would it be the same size? No, they said three-quarter size. Three-quarter size. So it's going to be small, a little bit smaller. These are the same group that makes the one-up stuff. Oh. No, I don't see why not. those seem decent we haven't we don't have one but no i mean they're fine they're they're playable machines they're not you know everyone says oh they're shoddy construction but that's what i mean the world doesn't need everyone in the world doesn't say oh i want a real arcade machine with all those real arcade problems right or a real pinball machine with all the real pinball problems you know they just want like close enough yeah if you have like a bunch of kids running around and they want to play pinball now they can. I think there's definitely a... It'll get more people playing. Yeah. I saw it as a good thing, but I also think it's a lofty goal. I don't know what you're going to be looking at. If they really are dedicated to keeping it under $1,000,
    15:51
    then they have to create it. What do they have to build it for? Like $600 tops? What are you going to... I mean, you have to clear at least $300 or $400 per machine. Otherwise, what's the point? Right. So you'd have to... I don't know. the numbers how much are those one up machines they vary insanely like I thought when they started out they were like three or four hundred bucks and now there's like eight hundred dollars or seven hundred dollars it depends on the model they're one of those things that's out there I don't know very much about them I was going to get the one that was the Star Wars one because I guess it was pretty good as far as the yoke a real Star Wars arcade machine is like 12 grand. You're like, well, I'm not paying that for some thing that I'm not very good at anyway. But then when that came out, then they all got bought up and then the secondary market was like $800. I was like, I'm not paying that. I'm not doing that. So I just never did anything with it. I just said, I'm okay without it. I'm just curious what you thought. But why two Alice in Wonderland? Come on, man. Just like one just hit, so make something else. You can do anything in the world. Now, is this a company that is a pinball manufacturer, or is this a company that is a... Well, they're the one-up people. Yeah. So they're just... I mean, they're arcade. Maybe they didn't know about the pinball or the... DPX one. Some wonderland. You know, maybe. Maybe. I don't know. Who knows? I mean, it may be something they've been working on for years, and they're finally talking about it because they got... Yeah. You know. And then there's also a secondary. Now, there's a new company.
    17:25
    What is it called? Pinball Ramps or Ramps Pinball? Yeah. Ramps Pinball, they have a new game that's actually going to be at the Pinball at the Beach. Oh. I wish we could go there. I know, because Skater Glenn was saying that I think he's going to work on the music for that. Oh, nice. I don't know. I was like, wow, just the churn of business, of new pinball makers. It's exciting, but it's also kind of like... What game are they doing? I don't know. It's like some road trip, I think it's called. Oh, I did see a picture of that. I automatically thought of like No Good Golfers or that other one, the Road Show, Road something. What was that golf one with the gopher? Yeah, No Good Golfers. Okay. But I don't know why. That's immediately what I thought of. When you saw the picture of it? Yeah, a little bit like Oktoberfest, a little bit like the gopher one. I don't know. My brain is a slurry of nonsense. So it doesn't really, that doesn't mean anything what I immediately thought of.
    18:23
    We'll see. Yeah. I know more is better, but it's also like, eh, how many, as two leave, one enters, you know? Yeah. It's kind of like, all right, can we get, now, you know, it seems like Spooky's, is it like their long haul? They're here. Yeah. You know, they have a. I'm glad to hear that. With Evil Dead, you know, they've really stepped up. They're doing good. I think they're doing good. I hope they do good. You know JJP around Mm You know Chicago seems like it like it going to be around Like their business model is kind of like I don want to say safe but you know they making stuff people want They're slower at it, but that's okay. You know, a trickle is fine. Well, and you know going into it that it's going to take a while. Yeah. So it's different if you know going in than sitting there waiting for it and then it doesn't come like a lunchbox.
    19:13
    So, yeah, I don't know. We'll see where this all lands. I guess it doesn't really matter. It's good for the pinball player. You never know. I'll definitely put a dollar or two into each of these machines if I see them. But will you see them? That's the other question.
    19:26
    So I had a little bit of an interesting thing. I went down a rabbit hole. I don't even know if we have time for it. Well, we can. We can make time. We can do whatever we want. Yeah. Do what we want. Do what I want. Whatever. I do what I want. I started looking up, searching historical databases through newspaper.com. and I started like from the 70s, like I did like decades and like searching for the phrase pinball and I went from the 1700s to the 1800s and nothing was there. This is like, what does it do? A couple thousand, tens of thousands of newspapers. I don't even know. It's a lot. It's a big database. A couple million, I think. Oh, okay. I think it's big. It pulls them. Yeah. So then I did like, I did it by century until then I started getting hits at like the, then I started doing it by year. so I did 1930 to 1931 and I got like hits but it was referencing something called pin dash ball that was like played in gymnasiums by teams and I was like that's not pinball and I was like when I read more about it it's like some kind of weird game that had the same rules as basketball and I was like I never heard of that then I started thinking I thought at first it was maybe that pinball that was at Expo that had like it was like a pool table kinda a little bit like a really older thing, but like a bag of tell, but bigger. It wasn't that. And then, um, it looks like it was just some fatty kind of like gymnasium team thing. It kind of came and went, but then pinball started showing up. Like I guess 1934 was the first like article that popped up and it was immediately about legislation because of all the pinball things that are taking kids nickels. And I was like, like out of the gate, they're hating on pinball.
    21:15
    It's curious. I'm going to continue along this path, like do year by year or decade by decade maybe. And a lot of it's nonsense. Oh, the other thing that was showing up, it flooded me, pin-ball,
    21:29
    like the 1920s to 30s was, that's what they called those things that like the little... Oh, a needle. The needle holders. A pin cushion. Pin cushion. but I guess they used to call it pinballs because they were like oh pinballs are you come down to the raffle and buy one for a nickel and I'm like well that wait what is this and it's like it was like the you know the ladies tabernacle of whatever main and you're like I don't think that's no but they were talking about like pinballs and then whatever was like yeah so that was around for a while but now it's back to now I'm starting to hit the research of like okay year by year like what's in the paper. I'm curious to find what I'll see. The first decade I did was talking about how much money they make in the legislation and what's the impact of these machines. Everything else was how people would break in, because this is during the Depression now, 34, 35. Now it's like people were breaking into a store, they'd steal the cash, and they'd take the pinballs, and they would take the nickels out of them. They would break them open to steal the nickels. That's people didn't have any money. So that's a quick grab, because you can actually carry it out with you, the earlier ones. Take the money out and just throw it alongside the road, which is where they found them. Which, interesting article, we might know,
    22:55
    it didn't have the name, but it's up in Alberta, Calgary, in Alberta, I guess there was a, somebody had taken a bunch of nickels out of a machine, and I was like, hmm, is that the beginning of the tale of Orville Albert? and his bloodline, maybe they were a little nefarious in the beginning.
    23:13
    I don't know. Looking your way, Calgary. I kid, Orby. He's the man. I'm joking. It was just one of those things where as soon as it popped up, I was like, yeah, Orby's bloodline started in the little stealing some nickels to get a foothold into the pinball world. Now he does it via everyone's fifth favorite podcast. That's what he calls this. All right.
    23:35
    I guess we can hold off on this or that unless you want to run it. Do you have everyone's favorite segment? Do you have any of that? I think we should do the this or that because I kind of went with the Super Bowl kind of on some of my questions. All right. Well, there you go. I'm going to do a quick save so we don't lose any of this glorious magic. And when we come back, it's time for some this or that. Well, hello, Mr. Fancy Pants. And we're back. So we decided we're going to do, like, I'll do all mine and you do all yours. Do you want to go first, I guess? I can go first. Okay. Because mine is just willy-nilly. It has no semblance in anything whatsoever. So you went all Super Bowl. No, not all. I have some Super Bowl. So I'm going to save the Super Bowl ones for last. All right. Just so everyone knows, this is being recorded the week before the Super Bowl. Yep. Super Bowl is on Sunday. It's the Eagles versus the Kansas City Chiefs. Yes. Wowzers. Okay. so my non super bowl related ones are okay yard sale or antique mall oh yard sale okay antique malls are always so expensive i'm like come on right sometimes you find neat stuff there though oh yeah yeah for sure highway or country road highway hmm okay i'm kind of becoming a destination driver as i get older i like i like meandering around but anytime I'm driving, we're going somewhere, and I want to get there. Yeah.
    25:10
    Spiced or flavored rum? Spiced. Okay. I kind of like none. I just like rum rum, to be honest with you. Okay. Just rum rum. To do rum rum. Okay.
    25:28
    So, then we're at politics or figure skating? Oh, shit. Figure skating. I can at least wait for someone to fall in figure skating. Or maybe somebody's going to come out and bash someone else in the knee. That's just good content right there. Okay. Now we're at a new guitar or a new pinball. Oh, new pinball. Okay.
    25:56
    So then I have cheeseburger or chili. Cheeseburger. Okay. Chili's too much of a crapshoot. Yeah. I like chili, but sometimes there's some suspect things in it. You open it up and you're like, why is this in here? Shoo. Go ahead. And now on to my Super Bowl. Oh, my God. And this first one is kind of foods of football foods. Gotcha. Steak sandwich or buffalo wings? Steak sandwich. I would go with buffalo wings. Yeah, that's a tough one. It wasn't as easy as I think. No. Yeah.
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    Okay. Then Super Bowl commercials or the halftime show? Oh, commercials. Okay. Yeah. Halftime shows are usually kind of like stupid. Yes. Sometimes they're good, but I don't know. And then Eagles or Chiefs? Whoa.
    26:54
    I guess I'm going to go Chiefs. Okay. I know 99.8% of the world hates the Chiefs, but I don't. I want to see history. I do. I want somebody to be better than the stupid frigging Patriots. Was that the last one? Yes. Okay. Here's yours in no particular anything. Okay. Yellow mustard or maraschino cherries? Ooh.
    27:18
    I'm going to have to go with the cherries on this one. All right. Terminator 3 or Metallica pins? Metallica. Oh. Shoot. Yeah, I've told him that. All right. Pikmin or Enchanted Valley?
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    Well, it's Enchanted Valley. What the hell's the name of that Disney thing? Oh, Dreamlight Valley. That one. Okay, retake two. Disney, what is it? Pikmin. The answer was Pikmin. It's Pikmin. Okay. It's always Pikmin. A stuck ball or a dead head popping off? Ooh, I'm good at one of those things.
    27:55
    I'm going to have to go with a stuck ball. Yeah, because you're the one that does them. Yeah, you are. All right. Death by Skynet, the Terminator world, or an alien invasion? Ooh.
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    Ooh. If it's attack from Mars, I'm going to take that. No, no, no. Alien invasion No no This is our doom Would you rather get murdered by an alien invasion or murdered by Skynet when the Terminators start the wars I guess Skynet Yeah. Somebody will step on my skull then. Because, yeah, that is the kill move. After you're dead and you're out of the way, then a Terminator is going to walk through and step on your skull for no reason. That's great. All right. Out of printer ink or out of coffee creamer? Ooh. I'm going to say coffee creamer.
    28:42
    That's a tough one, huh? Mm-hmm. All right. Because it's happened. All right. Listen to someone talk about politics or listen to someone talk about religion? Ooh.
    28:55
    There's no none. There's no neither. You've got to go. I'm going to go with religion on that one. Good call. All right. A sticky shooter rod or a crusty play field? Ah. You know when you pull it back and you're just like, this ball isn't even going to go halfway up this damn thing because it's all it's all chunky yeah hmm i'm gonna have to go that's two bad things it is i guess i'll go with the shooter rod yeah because that you only use like i don't know if you're good three times and i don't know if you know this if it's really sticky it won't make it up you do a sideways punch and for some reason that the kinetic energy mitt gets it up you just then they combat that with a spiky one Uh-huh. So if it's spiky, don't do that. But if it's just regular, you can just punch it. Okay. All right. Helping move a pinball machine down a switchback stairs or helping paint basement walls? Ooh.
    29:54
    Crush me with that pinball machine. Okay. Moving that pinball machine. At least there's joy at the end of that one. Right. Not just looking at some bullshitty-ass painted walls. All right. Harry Potter or Disney?
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    I would have done this one last time. I can't remember. I don't know that you did. Hmm. Are we talking about a park? No, we're talking about... Like going to a park or... I think we're talking about life. Just life. Ooh. Yeah. I think I know the answer. You're fighting it, but I know the answer. I think I'm going to have to go with Harry Potter on this one. What? Oh, my God. That was... That's incredible. I don't know, though. I wrote it. I circled it at the end of it. I can't believe you take Harry Potter over Disney. Wow. All right. It's different. Okay. Because, like, you have the joy of the books. Like, you can reread those books over and over again. Yeah. Like the other, I don't know. You said it, you can't unset it. Well, I think I might have unset it, though. Too late, I circled it. So are you doing a, are you going to do a beer drop, beer? Yep, we're going to talk about some beer, too. I'm going to drop in everyone's favorite song, and then we'll be right back. Thanks, Glenn. Craft Brew Sally, gonna have to put your journal down. Craft Brew Sally Child, you've been to all the breweries around.
    31:22
    You've been running all over the town. Oh, tell me what to drink until I fall on the ground, yeah. That's right, people.
    31:37
    And we are back. What do you got for us this week, Crafter? I thought maybe this week we would talk about something that's sad.
    31:45
    Terribly sad. Terribly sad? Really terribly sad. Uh-oh. Yeah, you know. You know, one of the things that when we came to Wisconsin the first time, I was like, no matter what we're doing, we're going to this place. because I have to. Okay. Disney. No way. No. Oh. And that would have been Linen Kugel. Yeah, Linen Kugel, man. In Chippewa Falls, yes. So, earlier this month, they closed the brewery in Chippewa Falls. Oh, my God. Wow. Why?
    32:23
    Because someone bought it and they decided that they're just going to make the beer in Milwaukee. So wait, they bought Leinenkugel? Or they already had owned them? I think they had already owned them. I don't know how those agreements work. I don't either. Because I think in Florida, Cigar City was owned by... I don't know how that works. Well, something starts out small, they get big enough that they get bought out. The owner leaves and then now it's owned by Coors or owned by whomever. And I think this one was owned by Molson. Well, I thought there was like two big ones. It was like InBev, which owns like Budweiser and Miller and all that stuff. Or maybe not those. I don't know. I thought there was two like Gigantor ones that kind of own most everything. Yeah. But I don't know them enough. Yeah. I don't honestly know how that stuff works. So is it going to be still there? Well, the Limey Lodge is going to still be there. So you can like still go there and buy stuff. Give them money. Yeah. And still do the sampling and that. I'm not sure if they're going to continue to have the tours through that factory, but I honestly don't know for sure. Yeah, because the tours are kind of... You're kind of going through a brewery. Yeah. Wow, that's kind of... So it's really sad. Yeah, it is. But I'm glad we got to go there. Yeah, no kidding. We were there, what, twice, I think? Yeah, two times. Yeah. It was just... Yeah, one of those things that kind of hits you. Yeah. I didn't realize how sad I was going to be until... Like, they showed the people that were making the last batch of beer that was going to be. Oh, yeah. Because then they made it. They had a bid to try and buy it back. Yeah. Or try and buy it to keep it running. Mm-hmm. And they were like, nah. Nah, bro. No, they were like, we're House Slytherin. So we're pure evil. We're, like, literally pure evil. So no.
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    And then they called them some slur that means, like, not a real wizard or something like that. Not a real beer maker. and then the other people cried.
    34:33
    And then some ripoff from The Lord of the Rings came out and was like, you shouldn't be so mean. And he was like, here's a sock, and then they left. All right. So anyway.
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    Anything else? So, I mean, I guess we're still liney supporters, but it's just like. We are. It's just not here in Chippewa Falls anymore. That's crazy, huh? That's devastating. I think there was like 60 jobs there that are now gone. and yeah it's it's tough i do hate that stuff because i know like that's like didn't like levi's start getting made somewhere else and i think i think budweiser was bought by some german company or something weird like that and you go well i don't know it's kind of like the way of the world it's just like a global economy but no matter what people want to say it's it's you know the whole all all the economy is kind of one big spaghetti mess of you know very rich people you They're not people. Yeah, like that's even, like if that happened to, what you call it, Yingling. Yeah. That would devastate that small town in Pennsylvania. Like I'm sure Chippewa Falls is. Mostly that. Yeah. You know. So. Boy, oh boy, I never even thought of that really. No. I didn't either until just this moment. Just this second. What would happen? Because that's a small brewery for how much, how popular it is. Well, they must do it. Didn't they make it anywhere else? Yingling? No. No, no, no, no. Lining Kugel. I think they've made it in Milwaukee. Mostly in Milwaukee. Since then, but they were still making it in Chippewa Falls. Gotcha. Well, I think Yingling is the same way where they did like, they have numerous, I thought had numerous places they made it, but the main one was in Pottsville. Yeah, in Pottsville.
    36:22
    Well, there you have it. So we got to see them before they closed. but sadly sorry to bring everyone down yeah and your friend was going to come your best friend was going to visit when you two were going to go there yeah now you're just going to go there and just go to the gift shop I guess if she ever gets here that's okay though I still like that I still like the gift shop because they still get a lot of my money yeah I don't think she's ever going to get here to get this with you but you never know she never got to Florida yeah she did how many times once a bunch of times oh but she never stayed with us no I always met her in Orlando because, you know.
    36:58
    We're not talking about yingling anymore. All right. I think we're done. Are we done? No more yingling? No more line and kugel talk? Nah. No? All right. I'm a little sad now. Well, don't be sad. Go have a line and kugel and, you know, not worry about it. Play some pinball. Okay. You should too at home unless you're underage. Then why are you even listening to this? We're too old for you. It's just... All right. That's going to do it for this show. This has been Pinball Junk Jor. Big Show 65. my name is wasn't always will be foghorn like horn and with me as always craft brew salad and we hope to see you next time same bat time same bat channel that's it man game over man game over