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Episode 19: Jurassic Park round table with guest Josh Siekert

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jul 31, 2019
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TL;DR

Poor Man's Pinball discusses new Stern releases: Star Wars Home Edition and Jurassic Park with guest Josh Siekert.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 19 features a roundtable discussion on Stern's newly announced Jurassic Park pinball machine with guest Josh Siekert. The hosts discuss their recent pinball acquisitions (Bram Stoker's Dracula, Laser Cue, upcoming Alice Cooper trade), provide initial reactions to Star Wars Home Edition, and begin evaluating Jurassic Park based on designer Keith Allens's layout and Jack Danger's live stream demonstration.

Key Claims

  • Stern released two games this month (Star Wars Home Edition and Jurassic Park)

    high confidence · Jon states 'Stern's second game this month. Crazy, right?' in reference to Jurassic Park following Star Wars Home Edition announcement

  • Star Wars Home Edition appears to play better than the commercial Stern Star Wars machine

    medium confidence · Ryan: 'I actually think I'd rather play the home edition than the Stern AC/DC' and 'it looked like it shot really good'; Josh agrees 'It looked really good, it's more cohesive in a way'

  • George Gomez responded to questions about Star Wars strategy via Facebook Messenger

    high confidence · Ryan: 'I would say that he did respond. We did put it on our Facebook page... he gave us a very concise breakdown on their strategy, how they work with distributors'

  • Jurassic Park is designed by Keith Harry Allen

    high confidence · Josh: 'Keith Harry Allen. Keith Harry Allen. Wow. Comes out with Jurassic Park.'

  • Jack Danger was streaming Jurassic Park during the recording

    high confidence · Jon: 'Right now as we speak, Jack Danger is streaming. Jack Danger is streaming as we talk.' Later: 'We just watched Jack Danger stream for the last hour and a half. Whoa. So now these are our full reviews.'

  • Drew is acquiring multiple pinball machines in a short timeframe: Bram Stoker's Dracula, Laser Cue (1984 Williams), and Alice Cooper (trade-in progress)

    high confidence · Drew discusses each acquisition with shipping/timeline details; mentions trade with Katie at Spooky Pinball for Alice Cooper 'seven to ten days from now'

  • Star Wars Stern machine has rule/layout flow issues despite fun shooting mechanics

    medium confidence · Josh: 'my issue is the rules and the layout. And we're all Star Wars fans... the problems with the layout and the rules, I feel like they don't jive. They don't flow together. That rule set is not a flowy rule set. It's a stop and shoot.'

  • Stern operates only two production lines

Notable Quotes

  • “I actually think I'd rather play the home edition than the Stern AC/DC... The Death Star drop targets come on, that's just cool that's some theme integration”

    Ryan @ ~25:30 — Unexpected endorsement of Star Wars Home Edition over commercial Stern Star Wars; signals potential market positioning of home editions as viable alternatives

  • “when I think Star Wars, that's not what I think of... If it was themed differently, I'd be like, this is way cooler”

    Josh Siekert @ ~32:15 — Thematic disconnect criticism of Star Wars machine despite acknowledging gameplay quality; reflects common player frustration with layout/theme alignment

  • “You have to think about it. You're pushing the center button while you're... If I let her rip, I have a shit score”

    Josh Siekert @ ~35:20 — Describes mechanical/rule friction in Star Wars: stop-and-shoot ruleset conflicts with naturally fast-flowing playfield

  • “if I had 10 pins it could be in my lineup... but not four grand”

    Scott Ian @ ~47:45 — Illustrates collector price sensitivity for home editions; indicates $2,500 sweet spot vs. rejection of $4,000+ pricing

  • “We all want to play it, but I don't think any of us, unless we have very large collections, are going to have it in our home... it's not for you”

    Jon/Drew @ ~45:30 — Establishes clear positioning that Star Wars Home Edition targets collectors with deep collections, not casual players; frames criticism as market-appropriate

  • “Stern's second game this month. Crazy, right?”

    Jon @ ~50:00 — Acknowledges Stern's aggressive release pace (Star Wars + Jurassic Park); signals production capacity visibility

  • “He's like, should have never said a damn word... So I ended up with like $620 million... I take first in the league on the first time I ever played the game”

    Josh Siekert @ ~28:45 — Demonstrates Star Wars machine's high skill ceiling; TIE Fighter mode complexity can reward strategic play significantly

Entities

Josh SiekertpersonGeorge GomezpersonKeith Harry AllenpersonJack DangerpersonTroy 'Bob' SmithpersonKatiepersonZach SharpepersonPoor Man's Pinball Podcastorganization

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Podcast establishing direct communication channels with Stern design leadership (George Gomez); facilitating real-time reactions and transparency on business strategy

    high · Ryan: 'I would say that he did respond. We did put it on our Facebook page... he gave us a very concise breakdown on their strategy, how they work with distributors'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts acknowledge Star Wars Home Edition addresses market segment (large collectors) rather than casual players; defensive framing suggests community backlash anticipated; clear differentiation between product tiers necessary

    medium · Jon/Drew: 'We all kind of agree that the Home Edition is better... it's not for you. And it's okay... anyone really upset about it has to just understand Sam Stern does it to make money'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Star Wars (Stern) commercial machine criticized for fundamental disconnect between stop-and-shoot ruleset and fast-flowing playfield; layout/rule integration issues despite functional shooting mechanics

    high · Josh: 'the problems with the layout and the rules, I feel like they don't jive. They don't flow together. That rule set is not a flowy rule set. It's a stop and shoot... you have to think about it. You're pushing the center button while you're... If I let her rip, I have a shit score'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Keith Harry Allen selection as Jurassic Park designer; hosts express curiosity about layout quality vs. Iron Maiden baseline; anticipating evaluation of mechanical integration and rule coherence

    medium · Josh: 'Keith Harry Allen. Keith Harry Allen. Wow. Comes out with Jurassic Park. Is this layout better than Iron Maiden? Let's just start there.'

Transcript

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0:00
Hey guys, flapping your flippers, waxing your balls, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is what you're tuning into with Drew and Ian. Ladies, gentlemen, welcome to the Puma Rants Pinball Podcast, Episode 19. the home edition podcast stripped down and cheaper than every other pinball podcast i am ryan with me this is drew and ian i made it and one more special guest oh your partner in crime dirty broaster on twitch josh josh welcome man welcome to the poor man pinball podcast Thank you. Welcome, Josh. Thank you guys so much for having me. Josh is a friend of the show, friend of ours. We hung out over at Updown, and we got tore up. Great night. That was Ryan's birthday. That was a good night. That was a long night. For those of you who don't know, Josh is now my spirit animal. I will constantly refer to him when I'm about to partake in an alcoholic beverage. Speaking of alcoholic beverages, Josh, what you drinking today, buddy? Oh, well, for the whole group, I brought Eagle Rare out of Kentucky. Eagle Rare. What kind of Kentucky liquor is this? This is a Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. It's pretty rare. Eagle Rare.
1:44
Eagle Rare. I should do a commercial. Chill, chill. Ian, put in some eagle music or eagle noises in there. super smooth this seems very patriotic this stuff is the real deal i hope you guys enjoy it thanks josh it really is good absolutely it uh got me off my cusslers for the day yeah i have four chest hairs and counting after every sip maybe i just heard one burning i had one spring up and it tackled the rest of my hairs it was only three A Kentucky hair duel.
2:22
Very nice. Drew, man, what's going on with you? What's new with Drew's life? Drew's got a lot of stuff going on. Drew's got pinball machines falling out of his asshole. What do we got? We got... It's a big asshole.
2:37

medium confidence · Ryan: 'How many lines do they have, Ryan? You went there. Three or four, right? No, two. Only two?'

  • Troy 'Bob' Smith is a major pinball/arcade operator and supplier in Decatur, Illinois

    high confidence · Jon provides extended shout-out: 'He operates down in Decatur, Illinois. He's been selling The Games for years... If you're in the Midwest... you have heard of or a friend of Troy Robert T. 'Bob' Smith'

    • Stern Pinball
    company
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Star Wars Home Editiongame
    Jurassic Parkgame
    Star Wars (Stern commercial edition)game
    James Cameron's Avatar Limited Editiongame
    Bram Stoker's Draculagame
    Laser Cuegame
    Alice Coopergame
    The Hobbit Standard Editiongame
    The Simpsonsgame
    Monster Bashgame
    Updownevent
    MGCevent
    Dan Lusinperson
    $

    market_signal: Stern releasing two major titles in single month indicates strong production capacity and aggressive market positioning; suggests confidence in revenue generation despite competitive landscape

    high · Jon: 'Stern's second game this month. Crazy, right?' Ryan clarifies Stern operates two production lines handling multiple releases

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Katie at Spooky Pinball coordinating trades and acquisitions; represents boutique manufacturer engagement with secondary market distribution

    medium · Drew: 'Talked to Katie at Spooky Pinball and she said it's on the line. And seven to ten days from now, it should be complete... we are pinball taking a road trip to Spooky Pinball'

  • $

    market_signal: Star Wars Home Edition pricing perceived as prohibitive; Scott Ian indicates $2,500 acceptable threshold vs. rejection of $4,000+ pricing despite gameplay interest; general market concern about home edition sustainability

    medium · Scott Ian: 'if I had 10 pins it could be in my lineup... but not four grand... if I could get one of these Star Wars home editions for, say, $2,500... I might actually go ahead and pull the trigger on that'

  • ?

    announcement: Stern announced Jurassic Park as second major release in one month; designed by Keith Harry Allen; live streaming/early access initiated by Jack Danger during podcast recording

    high · Jon: 'Stern's second game this month. Crazy, right?' Keith Harry Allen credited as designer; Jack Danger actively streaming the machine: 'Right now as we speak, Jack Danger is streaming'

  • ?

    product_concern: Early playfield concerns on Star Wars machine regarding theme integration and mechanical design cohesion; layout criticized as disconnected from ruleset despite solid shooting

    medium · Josh: 'when I think Star Wars, that's not what I think of... the problems with the layout and the rules, I feel like they don't jive... my issue is not the rules. It's not the layout. It's just when I think Star Wars, that's not what I think of'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Hosts initially skeptical of Star Wars Home Edition announcement; Ryan's text saying 'the fuck it is' suggests rumor status before confirmation; George Gomez provided official clarification

    medium · Jon: 'When Ryan texted me that, oh Star Wars Home Edition, that's the rumor, I said, the fuck it is. There's no way.'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Star Wars Home Edition represents strategic shift in home market positioning by Stern; improved mechanical/rule coherence over commercial version signals differentiated product development approach

    medium · Ryan: 'I actually think I'd rather play the home edition than the Stern AC/DC... The Death Star drop targets... that's just cool'; Josh: 'it's more cohesive in a way'; George Gomez provided strategy briefing to hosts

    • I've seen it. I don't want to. I suck at that. That could be a Bond U2 share. It is a Bond U2 share. Where have you been?
    2:52
    Yes, iTunes, this will be marked explicit. Yes. Not family friendly. Bram Stoker's Dracula. I'm setting up shipping. Should be coming. It might be a couple weeks now. So you bought a Bram Stoker's Dracula. I did. Nice. I'm super excited about it because... It's an awesome game. And once again, this is the first game I ever bought that I've never played. so for me it's kind of exciting that way because I have no expectations other than have you ever played the digital version? no I haven't where can you find the digital version of that? well you could have downloaded it before lost the versions that's one I didn't, I downloaded so many of those and I just don't happen to have that one oh really? yeah I have probably 30 or 40 of them but I do not have that one well soon enough it'll come back. Soon enough I'll have one in my house. That's true. I'm excited about that. Where did that come about? You just decided to hell with it? I'm going to fucking buy a machine today? Yeah, pretty much. Very nice. Good story. Podcast material. I love it.
    4:02
    I've had Simpsons and Hobbit for a while. As you guys know, I traded my Hobbit for an Alice Cooper, which I'm still waiting on. Talked to Katie at Spooky and she said it's on the line. And seven to ten days from now, it should be complete. And we are taking a road trip to Spooky. Hopefully the four guys here will be there. And we're going to podcast on the way or do some sort of Twitch something, video. We're going to do some sort of media for this. I think it will be kind of fun. Yeah, let's do that. It will be documented. Yes. We're going to stop in Madison, play some games out there. Who knows? Rate Area 51. We don't know. we might do something crazy we're not sure yet how'd we get down here yeah ian you and your fucking ideas did you guys see that that that comic strip or whatever it said oh joe's dyslexic and he uh rated area 15 and they just they just let him go with a warning i don't know i just saw it it was just like a little it was like a single panel comic on reddit or something pretty funny it made me laugh that's pretty good so anyways hobbits hobbits gonna be gone and then i got another piece of pinball news more pinball oh shit they they are multiplying ryan i wish i never would have met you and want to keep playing games and buying more games that's what kathleen says yeah so i'm getting hopefully tomorrow a laser cue which if for you who don't know it's a 1984 williams game um it's kind of unique in the way that they had they had good speech at that time but there's no speech in this game it's still just the old sounds and solid state kind of cool spinners and you are pinball rich my friend space invaders when i was when i youtube did it sounded like space yeah it has a lot of the yeah those old cool kitschy is it kitschy the word i think maybe sure those awesome sounds from the 80s yeah yeah all those cool sounds you heard in the arcade that's what this game has no speech you're playing Space Pool and the back glass and the play field just has these muscular they look like He-Man, Master of the Universe type shit and they're playing Space Pool. Yeah, that sounds right up your alley. It's just cool. I don't know.
    6:16
    I'm excited because it's a shooter's game. It's a precision type shooting game so I like it. I love the spinners. It's raining pinball, hallelujah. I mean, you need to really take this moment in because when I bought my first game and I was told it was my only one by my wife. You got to play some reminiscent music over this, Ian. Literally, literally. Two days before my daughter was born, I started freaking out and I bought two games in one shot. Wait, you freaked out and that was your response? Yeah, most people are like, I got to sell stuff and save money for my kid. I'm like, I got to buy pinball machines right now.
    7:03
    Drew knows I fucking freaked out for a good month there. I was like, I don't make any money at all for a kid. What am I doing? Ian has never freaked out about money, but a month before his baby came, he just.
    7:16
    Flawed pinball machines? Yeah. No, he didn't. It wasn't even that the baby was coming. It was I saw fucking daycare costs. The daycare bills. Daycare. We went to the first one, and they gave me the price. So I was like, oh, so that's monthly? And they're like, no, weekly. I'm like, oh, God. Yeah, this monthly bill is too high. Wait, what?
    7:33
    It's like my baby will be homeless. Multiply by four. Yeah, I was like, fuck. But, yeah. And, you know, this may or may not happen, but now I'm seriously considering Wonka, the standard edition. Because, you know what? I haven't seen the Wonka Vader in action. I still maintain it's not worth two grand. You saw it at MGC. I did, but you didn't really get to experience it. Yeah. We didn't shoot that shot. I received a Wonka Vader multi-ball at the Cleveland Pub here yesterday.
    8:04
    And so that was pretty cool. That's not what you think, folks. That was actually part of the pinball. But seriously, buying two games at once, it's awesome. Because you get so used to what you have, and all of a sudden bringing one game in is like, oh, man, nice changing up a little bit, something different. But also now you're like, boom, two. And then a week later, I get Alice Cooper. Yeah, see? That's sweet. So it's really like you're getting three games. Oh, my God. I forgot about Alice Cooper. Yeah, the best of the bunch. Never mind my story of buying two at once. This guy's getting three. Yeah, yeah. So are you buying them from the same guy? No, no, no, no. So a quick shout-out, Troy Smith. He operates down in Decatur, Illinois. He's been selling games for years. He's the one that hooked me up with the BSD. If you're in the Midwest and you've done anything with an arcade or a pinball machine, you have heard or a friend of Troy Smith. How much have you heard on Facebook? Check him out on Facebook. He's selling games all the time. He has a warehouse full of stuff. He's a good dude to deal with. He got me my Monster Bash. Got the Monster Bash for Ian. We went to pick it up. He's in Decatur. So anyways. He got me my OutRun. I'm looking at all the shit that he gave me. It looks gorgeous. I sent him a message telling him I was looking for a 90s DMD. I kind of gave him a budget. instantly he came back with five or six games. Bram Strokers was one of them. He says, hey, it's getting shopped out now. I love it. And it's got the original lightning flippers. Ryan and I talked about it. And it's got one of the better play fields. I didn't know much about it, but I guess they had some issues with their early play fields, and then they did something different later on. I'm excited. Explain to me these alternate translates. I know you were talking about a couple of them, but how many different translates are for that? I'm actually a fan of the original one but I'm a weirdo that way I don't care for it it's okay it's no Last Action Hero with Arnold's potato head to me it looks like the movie which a lot of these Game of Thrones the translates just okay and then the alternate one was so much better because it was a fan who made it I think out of all the alternate translates the only one that I'm like I would have to get it is Oryx the Shadow. Because that Translight that he did is incredible. I didn't know Oryx did that. Oh, Oryx, good job, brother. That's awesome. Apparently, you haven't seen the Last Action Hero Translight.
    10:32
    I have not. Hey, Ryan, you want to pass me the ice over there, pal? No, the original one was just so bad, you had to put anything in there. You could have put a piece of paper that said, this is Last Action Hero, and that would have been better. And Black Sharpie. Yes.
    10:44
    Well, crayon. You know, my first game. Poor man's pinball, Last Action Hero. Oh, I don't. John. Yes. My first game was Black Rose, and I wanted an alternate translate for that for the worst way, because all I could see was that chick's cooch right in my face. And it wasn't even like an ergonomically correct cooch. It was like, oh, we're going to mark that down. Hold on. What's that? Ergonomically. 10-45 ergonomic cooch. You know, with cheaper and easier printing now, you think there'd be more people just cranking out additional... It's a licensing thing. Is it? Mm-hmm. Okay.
    11:20
    But, yeah, I just wish they had. But what about, like, the Game of Thrones one? They don't have any characters on there. They just have, like, swords and... Do you ever see that one? It's just kind of like... But that's still a... Like, Stern would have to make an alternate translate. Like, that's still their thing. Like, with the Williams stuff, like, you gotta go to planetary. Sure. Okay. I guess that... Because otherwise it would be being done, I guess. Well, would it be planetary or would it be scientific? No one's ever been able to answer that. They said it's kind of fuzzy. Did you guys see the Monster Bash alternate? Yes. What do you guys think of that one? I think it's cool. It's cool, but I like the original better.
    11:55
    I think if you had both of them next to each other, you'd probably... I'd have to see it lit up, I guess. Yeah. For me, it's a horse apiece. Me, I like the fact that this one has words and it says Monster Bash on it. Sure. That's important to me. I don't know why, but... Because it's Monster Bash. The artwork is beautiful, though. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, for sure. But I like the original. All right, let's keep moving. We're moving so fast. This is good. Stern, last time we were on, we had Dan Lusin on. So let's give Dan another round of applause.
    12:30
    Dan, thank you so much for being on our podcast. I'm sorry if we offended you in any way. Yeah, we learned that he is as patient as a saint, because Drew and I got sloppy towards the end there. So Dan was a superman. Hang on. Quick little. this is my one tangent for the podcast yeah my wife got so mad at me when i got home that night yeah because i got home at one something and she was so mad because our son had woken her up before i even got there so i'm not good she wakes up at 3 30 in the morning by the way so when drew comes stumbling in at stumbling 1 30 oh i took ladies and gentlemen i took a lift home okay i wasn't driving drunk yeah responsible i stumbled in i planned on sleeping on the couch that night assume position oh no no no sometimes when i'm doing this my wife and i have this understanding i just say hey set up my blanket and my pillow on the couch she does it because you can't make it upstairs no no because no because if i disturb her i will die he snores folks if you haven't caught it yes he snores so i've seen it so i come home i see my blanket and my pillow i'm like linus from peanuts i'm like oh great there's my blanket she loves me yes she loves me my blankie and i'm thrashing through the house ow ow and ow the dogs are barking and she comes down the stairs and she has that look she doesn't even have to say anything and i just crawl up in the fetal position and die i'm like it wasn't me yep i don't know what you're talking about so anyways that was yeah well we record it you know we try to record around 7.30 and that one Dan had so much to say before we even hit the record button. It was awesome. We didn't record until maybe 8.30. We actually stopped. We should just be recording this right now. We had to stop him. We did say that a couple of times. We sat him down and said we're just going to talk about it now and then we hit record and then that is exactly what the show was. I didn't even edit it because it was two hours and I was too lazy. I edited the end because I tried to ask questions but I just mumbled. I got rid of me um but the after we wrapped up he was here for another couple hours and he was still just the dude had a lot to say a lot of stories and it was super cool and well he wasn't drinking drew and i were drinking that entire fucking time so when he was here for the next two hours we had already downed another eight beers it was bad right just tell a quick story about every time i poured a drink what did what did dan's face look like ryan told me this after the podcast i'm a little embarrassed but it's funny so here we go i'll back up a little bit and get to that story okay i'll set the stage where this dude shows up and he's got a he's got a little canvas bag and he busts out the championship belt for mgc and i was like oh this is awesome i saw the pictures that you posted it. It was cool. So the guy shows up with a championship belt and you're like, today's gonna be sweet.
    15:39
    So anyway, I'm watching, I'm not drinking. These two are drinking. Too much. Having fun. Thank you, Ryan.
    15:49
    Thanks for making me feel better about my alcoholism. It's fun, kids. So, I'm trying to stay engaged with Dan. And I'm watching his face while he's watching these two. And there was his facial expression sometimes. I was like, I wish I could take a picture of this. It was pretty awesome. So every time Drew poured a drink, which was like 10 times straight, he like laser focused right on him pouring.
    16:18
    And then there was a time later on you guys were like yelling at each other. And he was like back and forth whiplashing his head like, who do I look at? Who do I look at? I told my wife that story. I relayed this story to my wife about Ryan telling me about Dan's face every time I poured a drink. And I said, yeah, we recorded for about two hours, and I probably poured five or six drinks. Oh, you did. My wife's face went white, and she goes, five drinks in two hours? Are you fucking insane? And I'm like, what? I got a Lyft home. Hey, honey, I got three pinball machines on the way. This is going to work. And just hearing these things, I was like, Drew feels bad about himself. But here I am, folks, back again for episode 19, and I'm drinking some Eagle Rare, Kentucky's finest bourbon whiskey.
    17:16
    Cheers, brother. Cheers. Thanks again, Jeff. So anyways, that's what we're all about here at the Four Man's Pinball Podcast. We talk about it, and the community is great. And we're having fun, and we're hoping that we're entertaining you guys. At least it translates. Sure, sure, absolutely. And sometimes when we get a little out of hand, a wee little bit, maybe. I try to edit it so it sounds like we're fun instead of being pathetic losers. Sure, sure. I need to get a Twippy for editing. I don't know if Jeff Patterson could hook me up for that. Since the beginning, what did we say? Everyone talks about the news. Everyone talks about what's going on. And we will very soon here. So for you guys who are listening, we're almost there. You want to know about Jurassic Park. They want to know about Jurassic Park. We're almost there. We'll talk about it. But, you know, just the new friends that we made, Josh. Yep. We love your brother, Ryan. We love your brother. My boy's a spirit animal. Yep, spirit animals. Here we are. I would never have seen them. All right. Should we move on to what are we actually talking about pinball related today? Stern released a couple of games since the last time we talked about pinball. Yeah. Two, right? Not one, but two games. Two games. First one was the Star Wars Home Edition. Okay. When Ryan texted me that, oh, Star Wars Home Edition, that's the rumor, I said, the fuck it is. There's no way. In your head, you just heard wah, wah. Well, you know what? I don't have a problem with them doing Home Editions. I just knew that it was going to be expensive because it's Star Wars, that license. But it sells itself, but it's also expensive. Do you think they still had the license from the original? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. They probably had like a five-year deal or something. Sure. I'm sure they had to rework another deal to do this game. I can't imagine. They were like, we'll make all the different kind of stuff we want without running it past you. And we can all agree here, those of you that are listening, hopefully you understand. And us here at the table, I mean, the home edition, we understand it's not for us, right? And that needs to be made clear because so many people are getting butthurt about it and they just shouldn't. Yeah, and don't buy it. Well, that's all games, I mean, really. I have no problem with Stern doing stuff like this they're still going to make their cornerstones in all honesty it kind of looked fun I actually think I'd rather play the home edition than the pro there's been a lot of people saying that and I'm not trying to be funny it looked like it shot really good I love shooting the pro I've always said that but I think you're right the Death Star drop targets come on, that's just cool that's some theme integration well you know what, Diehards, right? What I don't understand is, like, oh, I can't believe they would release a Star Wars home pin. Like, yeah, only if you had an option to buy a professional pinball that had the Star Wars license. Like, I don't know, the Pro, the Premium, the LE, that stuff. What is your take on this, Josh? All right, so Star Wars. Oh, he just flexed. Did you see that? He did. He's ready. His seams tore a little bit. Yeah, dude, he did some push-ups. He's ready. He's got those ego talents from drinking the Eagle Rare. Yeah, he already hates us. All right, go ahead.
    20:25
    No, I mean, I've played, obviously, I haven't played the home edition. I mean, I've seen a little bit about it. You played Star Wars Pro, I'm assuming. Yeah, absolutely. I've played a lot more of the LE. LE, yeah, because, I mean, at our league, there's a really nice one. I didn know we were in presence of fancy pants here Well you been invited Oh here we go again Fucking league talk All right keep going Okay anyways go ahead Ryan I sorry I a league player I don know what to tell you guys I want to be a league player. I play games. That's what I do. That's why we have you on, brother. Go ahead. All right, so in league, I know I got quite a bit of plays on the machine. I like it more than per se Ryan does. I think it's accurate. Accurate. So, you know, I like the game. I like how it shoots. I like the modes. I have fun with it. I think it's fast. Do you like the moving multipliers? Yeah. I mean, the middle button takes a little getting used to. I usually do the TIE Fighter mode. It's a little different, though, because you've got to keep your wits about you and cradle the ball maybe and hit the button. So the guy, the first time I played, I'm like, dude, I don't really know how to play this. He's like, oh, you just do this, and you'll be fine. So then I'm like, all right. So then I play the TIE Fighter mode, and I'm just slamming the TIE Fighter the whole night. Get like $280 million on my first ball. That's a good first ball. The guy looks at me, and he's like, Should not have helped you. He's like, should have never said a damn word.
    21:52
    So I ended up with like $620 million. I take first in the league on the game for the first time. I ever played the game, so it was funny. But I like the game. I mean, it's nice. Like I said, I don't know. I almost bought a premium. I was looking at one for a while. I dig it. My issue is not the rules. It's not the layout.
    22:13
    It's just when I think Star Wars, that's not what I think of. It's a valid point. And I know that's not fair because it's fun to shoot. I'm not going to say I don't enjoy it. It's pinball. I think if it was themed differently, I'd be like, this is way cooler. But it's just, I don't know. See, my issue is the rules and the layout. And we're all Star Wars fans, I think. Because the problems with the layout and the rules, I feel like they don't jive. They don't flow together. That rule set is not a flowy rule set. It's a stop and shoot. Yeah, absolutely. But the game is a flowy game. And it's like, fuck off. I have to cradle every shot and really concentrate on where I'm going to shoot instead of just letting it rip like I should with the Steve Rich again. And that game you do. I mean, it is fast. I just want to rip. Like I said, you have to think about it. You're pushing the center button while you're... If I let her rip, I have a shit score. But if I stop and think about it and cradle every time... And they have all the assets in there. They should have done it in linear order. You go through the story, then you blow up the Death Star. You know, kind of this whole progression they could have done. Well, regardless, we're talking about the game. Yeah, let's go back to it. Let's circle back to the Home Edition. We're not talking about the Home Edition right now. Sorry, everybody. But we all kind of agree that the Home Edition is better. It's better. That's the point. The Home Edition does look like it shoots better. It looks like it's more cohesive in a way. And once again, disclaimer, anyone who's listening to this podcast, it's not for you. Yeah, it's just not. And it's okay. We all want to play it, but I don't think any of us, unless we have very large collections, are going to have it in our home. And anyone really upset about it has to just understand Stern does it to make money, and they're going to make money. I don't even care what price they put on there. if they market it a different way than they market their regular game as a home edition they do go to comic-con you know not a pinball show if they market it the way they want to market it man what i'm george gomez is gonna yeah he's gonna he's gonna show him you know here's the thing to the promised land my wife's my wife's talking about kicking me down into the basement no shit okay oh no your pinball machines yeah well probably me too but you know the small room i have i can She's like, this is your new bed. I can fit about five games. We just talked about all my pinball acquisitions, and I'm outgrowing that room quickly. I'd say so. She's already plus one, guys. We talked about possibly going into the basement with the pinball machines, which is fine. I've got to get some work done on the outside of the house, but whatever. So I go down in the basement. If I had 10 or 12 pins and I could get one of these Star Wars home editions for, say, $2,500, hundred bucks i might actually go ahead and pull the trigger on that call me call it sacrilege or whatever if i had 10 pins it could be in my lineup well no because you've wanted stars forever yeah this is a cheaper version that might actually shoot a little exactly i get it dude that's totally cool yeah um but but not four grand i just want to i would definitely not pay for it and i just want to say quickly too that you know we drew when it dropped drew ryan and myself were texting back and forth that entire day and we were just trying to get a sense of what stern is doing and trying to process it like all of you i'm sure were um i was like fuck it i'll just uh rattle off a few questions over to uh uh george gomez see if he uh see if he responds and he responded so zach's homie gomi uh i thought it was greg bones homie oh who coined that was it zach or greg it was probably zach that sounds like exactly my homie gomi zach's cool so he'd figure it out but I would say that he did respond. We did put it on our Facebook page. Very quickly, too, by the way. Oh, yeah, dude. We were chatting that day. He chatted with me. I didn't tell you guys this. Yesterday. Did he give you a cell number? Well, yesterday we were chatting on Facebook Messenger again because we were just talking Jurassic Park, but nothing to pertain to what we talked about here. But I was just congratulating him on a good game. But the Star Wars, though, he gave us a very concise breakdown on their strategy, how they work with distributors. Very specific about it all. Yeah, and go ahead and look at it on our Facebook page. It's probably buried a little bit now. Where can they find us? It's the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast on Facebook. And where can they email us? Hold on.
    26:29
    PoorMansPinball at gmail.com. Josh is laughing. I have never heard that before. Never. I mean, never. What? That piece of paper. Yeah, Josh is looking at us all weird. That piece of paper is up there, and we always look at it because we still, after 19 episodes, cannot get it right. Poormanspinball at gmail.com. And Ian just looked at it.
    26:52
    All right, go fuck yourself. Here we go. Next game. Stern's second game this month. Crazy, right? Yeah. Their line is going to be crazy busy, right? Oh, man. How many lines do they have, Ryan? You went there. Three or four, right? No, two. Only two? How would this work? Two games. Two lines. They're still making Deadpools, right? Well, they switch them out. It's not the same every day. Yeah, for sure, I guess. Because they got, what, Deadpool, Monsters. Dolch. Whatever. I mean, they're all running. Two games, one month. Yeah. To rule them all. Here we go. Jurassic Park. Huh? Not Jurassic World. Jurassic Park. No, I'll just edit it. The T-Rex? I'll just edit it. I'll add it in. Okay, go for it. I don't think there was a reverb in the movie. Do you know how they did that? Do you guys know how they... I think it was like a guitar string. It was on a podcast, dude. To get the water glass. Yeah, the guitar strings. That's pretty cool. It's unique. They're going to have guitar strings on the stern. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was listening to... Very fascinating. You pushing off some stat that you heard from another podcast.
    28:06
    Oh, I've known that for years. Oh, okay. I'm a huge Jurassic Park fan, but I don't know if we've ever talked about it. I'm a huge Jurassic Park fan. I knew that 20 years ago. Boom. Fist bump. Me and Josh. Go ahead. Keith Allen. Wow. Comes out with Jurassic Park. Is this layout better than Iron Maiden? Let's just start there. Sorry. Oh, you want to go right into the reviews? We're coming out heavy. Wow.
    28:29
    I have notes here, man. Okay. Let's go. Oh, we're going around the table. Josh. Yeah. We'll start off with Josh. We'll end with me. Okay.
    28:37
    So first off, from what I've seen from the pictures. Yeah, it's hard to judge. Can we just preface this a couple – hold on, Drew. You're hot, and I know you're coming in hot. Super hot, baby. I just want – Hot and heavy. I want to keep this excitement, but I want to also preface that obviously we haven't shot this. We haven't seen how it shoots. No, that is absolutely – And we love everybody's opinions, but we are going to take this with a grain of salt. Initial thoughts. These are initial reactions. I believe right now as we speak, Jack Danger is streaming. Jack Danger is streaming as we talk. We'll probably look at it. Hang on. We'll be back in an hour.
    29:12
    The magic of pinball podcasting. We just watched Jack Danger stream for the last hour and a half. Whoa. So now these are our full reviews. We don't even need to shoot it. Jack was dressed up as a T-Rex. Crazy. Sorry. People kept asking about the inflatable dinosaurs. We've all seen them. And he's like, I'm sorry. I'm not wearing that. He goes, I think he said, like, I'm 99% sure I'm not wearing one of those inflatable dinosaur costumes. Super hard to shoot with just a short arm. Yeah. Little Rex. I'm the T-Rex. So anyway, we'll kind of break this down in, like, theme, artwork, shots, layout, you know, toys, mechs. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to let Ian head this because he actually has notes. I'm just shooting from the hip today. Well, because I've been thinking about it all day and what I, my truth. No, seriously. Go ahead. No, no, no, not me. Sorry. I'm swinging wildly at Josh here. Josh, go for it, brother. All right. So what do you think about the theme first? Let's do that. Let's go around the table and talk theme. Obviously, it's a nostalgic theme. I mean, like, everybody knows Jurassic Park. It's not Jurassic World. And that one word is a big deal. It is. It's a huge deal. Huge difference. Huge in theme. Like that. I like that they came out with a park, not the world. I like the layout from what I've seen. I like the T-Rex. It looks like it'll grab its ball in the mouth and shake its head. I've seen stuff like that in a little video. I've seen it. It was like a minute clip. I love, absolutely love the Mosquito and the Amber. Shooter Rod. That is so dope. Yeah, we're just talking about the theme right now, right? Yeah, but he was on a roll, man. It's all kind of part of the theme. Keep going, brother. Keep going. That is theme integration. Integration. So I'm just saying the artwork, it's pretty decent. I mean, it's not the best thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. But, yeah, as far as theme goes, it's great. All right. Next topic. Drew?
    31:07
    Theme is fantastic. Like I said, I've been a Jurassic Park fan my whole life. True story, when I was a little kid, I had those little, remember those little models with the dinosaur bones? You know what I'm talking about? You glue them together. They had the little slots for the thing. My whole room when I was like five was like dinosaurs. I had books of dinosaurs I read about them, I loved it and then Jurassic Park came out when I was like 12 or 13 boom, it just blew my mind because it wasn't some cheap animation or whatever it was like one of a kind movie everyone remembers seeing the first time we saw the brontosaurus because that was the big thing when you get to the island, you don't know what to expect and then they see those brontosauruses brachiosaur oh my god paying attention. Oh, Jesus. Now you're making me sound like an asshole.
    31:59
    Nope, you are. I love when Ryan gets in on it because Ryan, you see, I'm like Ian. Ryan's like the nicest guy I've ever met in the world. Yeah, I'm an asshole. Well, that's fine because that's why we love you. Me too. But when Ryan pokes me, it's just, it's awesome. Good job, Ryan. Thanks. I'm just fact-checking that's all. Fact-checking. He's more cerebral than I am. that's for sure.
    32:26
    So anyways, you know, that, that's just so iconic. And when you see that, it's great. And no, the theme it's, it's out of this world. I, I would almost be an instant buy, except like we always talk about, I mean, this game is probably going to be everywhere. Oh, everywhere. And you know, I'm going to play the shit out of it and I'm going to love it. But, um, I'd say since walking dead, this has been awesome. That's awesome. That's a hot take. Ladies and gentlemen, that is, Because I love Walking Dead. Josh is hot. I do. Yeah. No, it is. Great game. So I think this is going to be a great game. The theme by itself, you strip away anything else. We obviously don't know anything else about it. Right. It knocks it out of the park. Absolutely. Ryan, what do you say? Yeah, same thing. I mean, dream theme, sure. Give me a fact so I can check you.
    33:21
    No, go ahead. opinions are fine. Yeah, theme-wise, I mean, I'm really happy it's not Jurassic World. But, I mean, they did kind of make it clear, like, it's not specifically the movie. It's related to the movie. So there's not going to be clips. Yeah, nobody ever said it was. It's just Jurassic Park. Well, but that's what you would think without knowing that. I guess. But in reality, like, I'm actually kind of okay with it, because it gives them way more latitude to make the game more cohesive with the rules and make it more of a pinball game and not trying to force a movie into a pinball machine and not like willy wonka sure no no we before we before we started uh i was gonna say filming yeah here we are filming no before we started recording um i asked you if it was a buy and you said no kind of for the same reason because you can play it anywhere, but you seemed higher up on this than most other recent releases. See, for me, the theme is a theme great, theme's great. But the pictures and looking at it, the first thing I thought was, this game is packed. There's a lot going on here. And especially from what Stern has been releasing up to this point, it's kind of like, eh, I kind of want a little more. Like, these games are kind of expensive. I want more if I'm going to buy something. Really? Yeah. So you don't think, so Stern finally packed a game and you don't think there's enough for the money? With this game? Of course there is. Oh. I said up until this point. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, you're good. Edit, edit, edit. No, that's it, buddy.
    35:08
    That's on the internet forever. Oh, so you're saying you hate this game. I just said I loved it. Fact check, fact check.
    35:16
    Yeah, we're like the media. Yeah, we just take the little tidbits that we want. Twisting my words. Yeah. Ryan said he hates this game. It's the worst game of all time. I'm super jacked for it, actually. Okay. So maybe down the road, though, this might be something you might purchase. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Yeah, it's definitely on the table. Okay. Which is big, because Ryan's picky, which is in a good way. I am super picky about what I buy. Okay. What do you got, Ian?
    35:41
    Here's the opposite. All right, here's my problem. Ian's about to shit on all your hopes and dreams and every dinosaur egg you've ever had oh thank god it's not Jurassic World it's Jurassic Park fucker ain't Jurassic Park this is like Hot Wheels driving on dinosaurs here it comes this has nothing to do with the original movie I will give you it has nothing to do with it if I was to give one negative without playing it of course from just looking at it Watching some videos. Nope, we're just theme. The Jeep thing kind of... Can we explain? That was explained. Yeah, it was explained today. All right, before anybody goes any further, I just want to know, is Samuel L. Jackson in this movie? We don't know. No, no, it's just the Nedley guy. No, Wayne Knight. No, nothing? Wayne Knight. Not even Newman from Seinfeld? No, he's in it. Oh, he is. He's the only one. His name is Wayne Knight, and it hasn't been confirmed. he may be doing all or most of the call-outs. I thought it was confirmed. I don't know who confirmed it. I thought it was confirmed. I heard it on the internet. I thought it was confirmed. I heard it on the internet. I'm just saying, this isn't Jurassic Park. This isn't Jurassic World. This could be Jurassic Water Park, Jurassic Neighborhood. Jurassic Neighborhood? It could be whatever. Jurassic Hot Wheels. Yeah, Jurassic Hot Wheel Adventure Land. That's what it is. It's Jurassic Hot Wheel Land. What is your opinion on the game? The theme sucks. I think the theme is shit. Go to your room. No, no, no, no, no. They had a good chance. Thank you, Ryan. They had a good shot to make actually something that's iconic, and they didn't. They skipped the entire iconic thing. It's a dinosaur game. It has something to do with Jurassic Park. You don't think this was a money thing again? Oh, absolutely. It had to have been. They went ahead and got every actor. Listen, listen. Here's why I don't think it's a money thing. You don't need every actor. I'm listening. I got you in my ears, buddy. They didn't do that for Pirates, and it's still Pirates, right?
    37:43
    Yeah, they didn't have any of this. No, because Pirates is the same. There's no clips. It's not the movie. Yeah, but you're still reliving scenes from the movies. I appreciate your opinion. Oh, dude. No, really. Here's a nice guy writing. No, no, I do. I didn't even finish my opinion, but go ahead.
    38:02
    But shoot me down, bitch. No, before we get too far from talking about the money thing, I would rather they do what they did and save money paying out royalties. Not royalties, but paying for the actors and all that stuff. Samuel L. Yeah. Because the game is so packed. There's so much going on. Go ahead, Ian. I don't need those call-outs. I don't need movie clips. I want to see the movie we all love in the artwork. I want to see it in the toys. I want to see it. I understand the vehicle thing. I get it, guys. But I want to see. Yeah, there is no way around that. Yeah, I want to see the progression of the pinball game help us out through some of these movies. Pick a movie. I don't give a shit. So, Ian, if you play it and you find out, like, would you have more love towards it if you got to play it? And would you maybe have a different opinion after you actually got to play the game? All right, here's the thing. Here's the thing about, yeah, absolutely. Oh, no. That's shots and layouts. Don't worry about that. We'll talk about all that stuff. All right. The theme. Just strictly the theme. Sorry. Yeah, we do got to rope it back in the theme. The theme, here's the thing. The theme out of, and Greg Bone said this perfectly, and it's a great fucking point on straight down the middle of the video, when he was talking about the cabinet artwork. Out of all three models, out of all the back glasses, all the side art on the cabinet itself, there is only one scene in all the Jurassic Park movies, and it's on one side of the cabinet, and that's the damn Velociraptor in the kitchen. That's it. Velociraptor in the kitchen. That's it. That's all there is. finale or that's in like the i think so yeah i can't afford it anyway so that fuck that i can't relive that one scene in that movie so that's it there's nothing that theme wise integration wise it it doesn't do it and once again i think because you're missing it it's like it's look at the back glasses it's like it looks like your color your own adventure dino land let me that's what it looks like oh boy yes it does let me give your own adventure dino land direct analogy comparison if i can artist was like dude triceratops are fucking sweet and then he just you know okay they're having tea on the back glass i i played that's artwork we can talk about that later okay can i just finish real quick before you go yeah um can i also say that jurassic park jurassic park is i understand the movie jurassic park is iconic 100 nobody argues that 100 i love jurassic park but could we not say that the jurassic park franchise is kind of a joke there are five movies two which are halfway decent and then there's a lot of turds oh no one's debating that for the latter movie i would say only the first one's good yeah the first one is like garbage so when we're when we're when we're talking about this Let's focus in on what makes that first one so great, and that's kind of where I'm at here, guys. I want – I don't – I'm not like Kaneda. I need to relive every clip of the movie. I do want like Data East, like that Jurassic Park. I look at it. I'm like, that's fucking Jurassic Park. I look at this one. I go, this is Dinosaur Adventureland. Some of this is a homage to that Jurassic Park Some of it is the layout of the island The island the island the tribal i mean they the island and some of the inserts okay let me let me just give a direct kind of analogy but that's it so i give it i give it three cheese slices three back to the cheese ratings yeah three cheese slices three out of what out of five cheese slices three cheese slices we're in wisconsin we have unlimited it's not terrible but it's it's not great it's not my favorite part of the game i i spent 20 on wonka last night okay so i got some good time on wonka and this is my second time so i've i've i've played a considerable amount of wonka we're at 45 minutes already awesome the show's over guys edit edit edit i'll just keep going um so as far as theme goes my point is and how i'm relating this to jurassic park so i played a lot of wonka and i almost never got to look up at the screen okay you know i'm doing these multi balls i'm stacking multi balls i actually had some good games i'm you know i'm getting better as a player and whatever but you know the game was so intriguing and what was under the glass was so important and like i said i hardly you know every time i looked up at the screen i notice i'm like i look up here for like you know literally half a second and i don't really care what's going on up there because i'm having so much fun with what's going on the playfield and i look at jurassic park and i see the same thing and pirates in my opinion yeah and pirates you know a lot of these different games now they're coming along so you know unlike black knight which you know didn't have a lot going on in the playfield and actually had more going on in the LCD. True. You know, pinball is very subjective, and, you know, we've got to say that more because, obviously, you know, Ian and I disagree on a lot of things, and that's fine, and that's what this is all about, and Ryan and I disagree on stuff, and Josh, I don't know you well enough to disagree with you. We agree pretty much. We're fist bumping a lot. Well, me and you might be blood brothers, brother. I don't know. Hey, you might be moving into my basement, you know, with me. So, anyways. The fuck he wants to do that? No, but you guys... Maybe you should move into my basement. Yeah, I think you're the one that's going to need a place to live. I will. I was being kind, but yes, totally happening. But you guys get my point, though. So I'm... Sorry, for me, my subjective part of it... This is all getting edited out. This is way too long. What are we talking about here? We're talking about theme. Theme, okay. Yeah, I don't care what's going on in the LCD, and I don't care so much about that stuff. I didn't say anything about the LCD. Nobody gives a shit about the LCD. It's a third. The LCD is this big. I don't care. I don't give a shit. Okay.
    44:13
    It's fine. The LCD, they can have their own little Jurassic Park moments. Okay, that's fine. Let's move on. What's the next? Next one is some artwork. Artwork? Quick. Okay. How many cheese slices? Artwork is all right. It's okay. It's the middle of the ground for me. Yeah. It's okay. It's nothing. It's fine. It's adequate. I don't mind it. All right. I fucking hate it. Two cheese slices. I already explained it. It looks like Color Me Dinosaur coloring books when I was growing up. Sorry. I got to quote Greg Bowen. It gets the job done. Yeah. Okay. There's dinosaurs that eat through. That was it. That was like a little kid bit. Pretty much. Go ahead. What's next? But I'll have to see it in person. Yeah, for sure. Two cheese slices. All right. Shots and layout. What do you think of the shots? I mean, I haven't shot it, obviously. Obviously. So what the layout looks like to me, it looks pretty jam-packed. It looks pretty cool. I'm excited to play it. I want to play it. As soon as I do get to play it, I can come back and I can tell you exactly what I think about how it shoots there. That kinetic ball on the Jeep, it's something unique. It's very cool. It looks cool. I think straight down the middle broke it down to like 11 different shots, ramps, spinners. Yeah, I think the shots are unique. And once again, Keith Elwin I think is going to continue to just get better. Is he the best guy in Stern right now, designer? I think so. I mean, he's shaking it up. Yeah. I mean, he's delivering layouts that we haven't seen. No, it looks cool. There's nothing that's same old, same old with his two games so far. Is it too crazy to say that he might be the best designer and coder? It's too soon. Because he makes these games, and he has code in his mind. Not to get off on Tant. Exactly. How many games does he have to make that are great shooters before you say he's – More than two. Well, I understand that. I'm not talking – And that's not to take away from the two he's made. They're incredible. Maybe I shouldn't phrase it that way, but I'm just saying right now, today, if you had a theme, would you go to Steve Ritchie? Would you go to Pat Lawler? Or would you go to Elwin or even Scott Denisey? I just think, yeah.
    46:19
    People have been talking about Ritchie possibly retiring. He's this and that. People have said Keith Elwin's the king. We don't want to go that far. but you know i'm not i'm not opposed to it from what he has done so far i'm really excited about it i will say what keith elwyn has done eric minier and scott denisi have done eric minier sorry brother have all on wisconsin done amazing things to shake up and give us different unique things than we've seen before and we need more of that yeah we all agree yeah all right so shots and layout uh four cheese slices for me i love it wow you hear that keith i thought cheese slices i I thought that it was. Keith Allen, if you want to do an interview with the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, we'll give you five cheese slices if you come. Yeah. This is alternative here, people. But, no, the shots are, there's lots of them. Ryan, do you have a favorite, like, looking shot? I know we haven't shot it yet. I want to see that Newton ball. I want to feel all that. I mean, yeah, I got to play it. I don't know. I mean, yeah. I want to shoot that guard shack. I just like those high. The whole thing. The whole package. And the raptor pit's kind of like the Metallica graveyard shot. Well, did you guys see the Straight Down the Middle video? They were talking about the third flipper and how in Iron Maiden it's a quick, you know, to get in that inner loop. It's a quick one to repeat. Well, this third one hits the outer left orbit, so it swoops all the way back around so you can repeat that shot. That's an Elwynn thing. Yeah, it's kind of fucking cool, man. You know that's going to feel good. You know, Elwin's going to make sure it feels good. Elwin's a guy about shots. Like, he likes those feel-good shots. And I got to throw it out here. Just throw it out there. Because I don't know. We haven't shot it yet. But 11 shots, packed play field. Do we worry about it being tight like Houdini? No. No one's worried about it. Just ask him. Just ask him, guys. The field's wide open. And to your flipper point, I heard head-to-head podcasts. I want to know what this is about. I need to see the game more to figure it out. they have a lot of the up post in this game would you see the one on the left and the left in lane has an outpost yes but there's on the premium i think they said there's four posts and uh marty on head to head was talking about when elwyn was watching iron maiden being played in competitions he was actually getting so upset about something about um one of the upper flippers um the competitors weren't using um for a certain thing and it would just come down to the other flipper so he's made it in this game where he has an up post there so if it prevents this and something like it'll go right to the left out lane if you don't you know use the flipper because he no they said he literally got so upset about it and he was getting like you know just mad so he's like yep we're gonna put a we're gonna put an up post here and you have to use this flipper and yeah But when we shoot it, it'll be exciting. We're all excited to shoot it, right? Absolutely. Can't wait for it. All right. So even though you hate the theme, you want to shoot this thing. Oh, fuck, yeah. This game's awesome. I love the game. We're coming around. Okay. I just wish they'd scrub that artwork or that theme. Toys and Mechs. Toys and Mechs? I mean, obviously you've got the T-Rex, the Raptor Pit. I mean, it's cool if it's going to get it at the ball in its mouth and shake it, and we'll see what it does with the multi-balls. and, you know, it looks cool. Can we say regardless of any of this stuff? Helicopter blade, you hit that? Yeah. They actually put some stuff in this game. It looks like it anyway. I only wanted to add it because we were really hard on Black Knight because there was nothing in Black Knight. It was a stripped-down mess. I thought so anyway.
    50:04
    People were saying it's fast, it's brutal. Well, yeah, there's nothing in it. This game? This game has a lot of shit in it. I think it looks fast too, though. It's Keith Elwin. I think it's going to shoot great. I do, but. You guys are making me miss my Iron Maiden, man. I want to get Maiden back in the house. Yeah, but no.
    50:24
    Josh, you're right, though. There's more than one mech. It's crazy. What do you think about that T-Rex mech, Ryan? I like it. A lot of people were, like, ragging on it. For what? They're saying, like. Some people said you could see, like, the back of their neck. And I was like, are you kidding me? Some people were bitching about dimpling. They pick and, you know. Because a T-Rex grabs the ball and throws it. And it's going to cause more dimples. What do you want these people to do? I mean, the moment I saw that and what it did, I was like, that is awesome. Can you imagine being a kid? Yeah. And say you're a little kid. Oh, my God. You walk up to that game and you see a T-Rex grab the ball, shake it, and throw it. Like, it's insane. Wait, did you say a kid? Imagine when Drew walks up to this thing and sees a T-Rex. I was talking about myself. Oh, okay. All right, so is it going to be better than the other Jurassic Park T-Rex? Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely, it's going to be better. Because that T-Rex was so bad, though, now if you look at it. Can I? I agree with you, Josh. The guy's in the smoking room. He's having a cigarette. That guy, you know, he's just hanging out, not doing a damn thing. What was the name of that dinosaur I muffed earlier, Brachiosaurus? Yes. When I first saw that game, I thought it was one of those. Yeah, I did, too. Right? Because, you know, I was new to pinball. A lot of people might know. And I saw that thing, and I was like, oh, that's just one of the dinosaurs with the neck that does this. And they're like, that's a T-Rex. I'm like, that's not a T-Rex. You know, so I think it's cool. Yeah, dude, I think that T-Rex is pretty badass. And I will say this. It will add to the immersion of the game, and we can talk about immersion. Far away. But it'll add if it's – you're playing.
    52:05
    Unrelated to the play on the field, it's just like roaring and just moving its head. And a little small detail that no one seems to want to talk about, though, is around the head is the gate, the fence, the electric fence that had broken open. Yeah, that's cool. I mean, that's a small detail that nobody's talked about. And I think that is what brings that alive because nobody wants a fucking dino head in the back box, like the back of the play field. It makes it more realistic. It does. And you know what? Another thing, speaking of that. Ian's getting excited. The back of the play field, I will say the side decals, the side blades, and the back box, that looks fucking great. It looks layered. You guys see that? There's got to be some LEDs going on in there. Oh, my God. I can't wait to get my hands on this one. You sound like you're getting a little excited. Why do you think I hate this game, dude? I told you the theme was bullshit, and they did a fucked up job on this theme. They fucked it up. You had one job. Make Jurassic Park. they made Adventureland with oh my god really? for the record I like it Adventureland with dinosaurs whatever, they paid all this money why don't you make it Jurassic Park, I'm just saying but the game itself is great it's not Jurassic Park they called it that though it says Jurassic Park on the side alright, anyway we can move on I just had some other things here so four cheese slices for me on the Toys and Max And, by the way, no one knows the scale other than Ian and his own head, so whatever. Four cheese slices. Yeah. I give it seven cheese slices. Did I just break your scale? No, that's a really good score.
    53:48
    I also want to add my last little... First is a layer to this? No, a layer. We can go around. What do you think the X factor is to this game? I know we touched on my X factor a little bit. The X Factor for me? X Factor. Because nobody else has an X Factor. What makes this? Without playing it. Push it a little bit. Like I said before. Initial. Initial X Factor. All right. If you're going to get the plunger rod with the mosquito and amber. That's a good X Factor. It's super dope. Love it. Absolutely fucking love it. And by the way, it's ergonomic. Because a lot of people have been talking about these shooter rods. No arthritis in them. Yeah. I'm getting the fun. I can barely play. Good. All sides. I didn't mean to hijack your opinion here. So your old fuck's up there. All you 80-year-olds, this is good. Dr. Scholl.
    54:43
    Thank you, Dr. Scholl. On another podcast, they were talking about Aerosmith. They have that jack-in-the-box head shooter rod. And you've got to reach underneath the chin to grab it. Some of those are pokey. You know, it's just – You go to shoot it. Ooh, this is smooth. It's so good on my wrist. I feel so much stronger now. Take my wrist brace off. Well, some of those, they just look uncomfortable, right? Well, like that's how it kind of is. I mean, I don't – it doesn't bother me, but I have that on. Oh, you have the Simpsons one, right? You don't think about it? Nah. Okay. I got the Dolph Man's head. Yeah, sweet. I love that too. But like, I mean, other than, you know, the Amber shooting rod, I mean, obviously, T-Rex is the star of the show. You've got to make him the star of the show. He stands out. Yeah, he stands out. I mean, you've got to throw the Raptors in there. I don't know if you're paying an extra $500 for the artwork to have them standing on the kitchen, you know, growling at people. I don't know what Stern's going to throw out there for whatever the LE is going to be. So what I'm hearing from Josh is the X-Factor is the attention to detail. That shooter rod is exactly that. It is. It's sweet. It's just like Wonka's everlasting gobstopper. That's badass. Yeah, remember his cane where he had the, yeah, that's just super cool. That is so cool. I mean, there's nothing more iconic than that because that was the whole movie. They drill into it. They get the blood out of it. I mean, you know, you think back to the movie, that is super iconic. Now, do we think we'll see an Easter egg? No pun intended with the egg.
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    Not an egg. Mr. DNA? No, because it has nothing to do with the original Jurassic Park. I already spoke about that.
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    Throw that into the mode, the DNA mode. Well, sure. Oh, this guy. Well, you never know. You never know. I mean, I would like, you know, like a ha-ha-ha. He's cartoony. Like have all these iconic, you know. I really wish they would have paid Samuel L. Jackson. He would have been the best. Could you imagine having him doing the call-outs? Oh, man. I know the guy's been in like 110 movies by now. If he did the call-outs, Ian would give it like 10 cheese slices. Yeah, easily. He was in Deep Blue Sea. So minus five cheese slices for that. What if the main toy in there was the Barbasol can with the embryos? You had to open it? Yeah, open it and bash the embryos. Again, that's Jurassic Park. This isn't Jurassic Park.
    57:11
    All right, Drew, your X factor in this? What do you think? It's so hard to say. I think the T-Rex. But in the Pro, it doesn't do anything. Is it even there? Yeah, it's there, but it doesn't move. It's just eye candy at that point. Oh, gotcha. Which we don't know. Somebody said there might be a magnet on there that might do something, but that wasn't confirmed on the Pro.
    57:41
    Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's really going to depend once you shoot it and stuff, but the X-Factor, how about this? In general, I'm kind of thinking outside the box here, stern has finally made a complete game yeah a pro that's a complete pro game that's an x factor that's really nice like we said the the operators the operators are gonna go nuts for this thing it's gonna be everywhere for sure so we we can you know we we can critique this stuff but let's be honest yeah kids are gonna go in there they're gonna see the dinosaurs they're gonna put money in it i mean that's just the way it is so this this is gonna be a home run for stern i i don't even have to see any more gameplay or anything. It's a home run for them. Ryan, what do you think?
    58:25
    When I look at a game, for me, it's the total package. Some things can be lacking. Some can be better. Whatever. To me, I really dig the total package. I mean, I don't mind the art at all. Is he a WWE star, the total package?
    58:43
    Maybe. Sorry. Anyway. That's what Drew calls his package. Hey, honey, you want the total package? She's like, no, thanks. Your pillow and blanket are already there.
    59:00
    Now you guys are getting us. I love it. Josh and Ryan are both in on it now. This is awesome. I can't believe you put that out there as a podcast. Now people think you sleep on the couch. I do.
    59:13
    None of that was like, there wasn't even a joke in there. That's just my life, man. I can't believe it. Anyway, go ahead. I'm moving to my basement next week. Yeah. All right. I mean, you know, the first thing I saw and I looked at was this game's packed. I mean, that's the first thing that stood out to me. You got the T-Rex. You got all the ramps. You got... How many ramps? They said four. Four? Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. So, like, that to me is like the X factor. Like, you know, it's the total overall appeal of what they did.
    59:41
    And... I'm trying to count the ramps now. Sorry. I'm like... Yeah, I'm like, what are you doing with your fingers in my face? Why are you drawing on my face?
    59:51
    That's just kind of it. I mean, I can't really pick one thing specifically that's like the X factor. No, I think that's a good one. I mean, if I did, I'd say. Coupled with Drew's? Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Stern just did something awesome this time. Can we just say, like, you know, I've been yearning for a packed play field since Simpsons Pinball Party. When we played that, I was like, I couldn't believe that was a Stern. because at that point I was getting used to three pop bumpers, two flippers, two ramps, two of your orbits, and then a spinner in the middle. That was what I felt. Yeah, because even, now that you say that, even like Metallica, as good of a game as that is, and it's still one of my favorites, that's what it is. It's three pop bumpers and a couple of ramps, and you've got the snake, but it is what it is. It's a solid tournament game. Oh, no, it's one of my favorite games of all time, but it's just... Yeah, it's up there. Like I said, since Walking Dead, I'm not that impressed since then, so this is good. My X Factor, Keith Elwin. Yeah. I just think Keith being Keith. Is this the most unique layout since Walking Dead? It might be, right?
    60:56
    Because if you go after Walking Dead. For Stern? Yeah. That's pretty crazy. If you go after Walking Dead, you have a lot of these two ramps. You know who else had a really unique layout was Iron Maiden.
    61:08
    Oh, yeah. Last year. And who designed that? Yeah. That's why I think he might be the X Factor. I still think he might be, right now, pound for pound, the best pinball designer and coder. I've got to throw that coder in there because I don't know how much Eric Mayer or... He's not coding, but he's doing the rules. But he has the rules already in his head when he's designing it. And most of those guys do not. And then he passes that off. They make a design and they say make rules for it. Yeah, kind of. You know what? When we all play it, we'll come back, and then we'll have our thoughts together. How about that? I thought we were – X Factor five slices, by the way, of cheese. Wow. Yeah, that's a five for five. Keith Elwin's my man, so cheese.
    61:54
    Are we ready to wrap this up with a mailbag now? Mailbag? Wait. Letters, or are we skipping that? You guys can do love. I don't have one this week. We talked about that. Sorry. I'd love to. Do you want me to talk about my love for your cheese slices Yeah let do that Let do that Cue that love letter song I love Ian cheese slices I love when he has five It better than four
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    That's it. Ryan, you got anything? Ditto. Look at love letters. What happened? We used to be cool. I will come up with one next week. Should I do my love letter? I feel like I should now because it's all a part of a thing now. Make it dirty, dude. Get it done. Let me flip the page. Brad Hopkins, are you listening? Yeah, Brad, yeah. Dear Brad Hopkins. Kidding, kidding. Love you, Brad. Dear, my love letter goes out to Mr. Keith Elwin. Dear Keith Elwin, why don't you have my babies?
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    Our kids would be deeply coated. The rule's loose, but fun. And when the kids are sleeping, our shots would be so straight. Yet they could get diverted at any time and go down a nice corkscrew.
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    You, me, a nice third flipper? Short and fast loop or a long left orbit. My T-Rex will gobble your balls and toss them anywhere. you tell me thank you for your love Ian that's my love thank you Josh you got something brother so earlier in this episode I asked Keith Elwin to come on the show and now he's never coming on the show dear Keith Elwin why don't you have my babies he'll come on And last week, Ian was trying to get Ken Cromwell to make out with him. So we're on a roll. We're on a roll. Josh, you got something? Josh, what do you got, buddy? All right, let's wing this one real quick, all right? I need an eagle rare for this. Yeah, pour it up.
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    All right, here we go. Oh, it has a cork? This is good stuff. Yeah. Well, it's fancy. All right, dear Ian, dear Drew, roses are red. violets are blue I didn't really write a love letter so fuck you Brad Hopkins I love you yeah what do you think about that alright yeah that might have been the best love letter ever or the worst one Brad Hopkins please email us at Or it's pinball at gmail.com. And we will respond to that on our next podcast, which I'm sure Brad will probably come back on that one. I think we need to get – I have ideas. So, all right, we'll move past that. Mailbag, mailbag, mailbag. We got some good mailbag this week. Oh, so much mail. So, Zenbone, Martin R., invited us to FPF. Is that Florida Pinball Festival, I'm assuming? Yeah, sure, sure, sure. Free Play Florida, I would assume. Is that what it is? He just said FPF, so I'm not familiar with that one. Whatever you say. But anyways, he invites us to come down. Obviously, we're not coming down to Florida. I think it was like in a couple of weeks. Where's your passion? But he's the guy. He's moving up to Appleton, Wisconsin soon, so we are going to meet this guy at some point. He's coming up, I think, next year. He said he's moving up here, so cool.
    65:47
    Ian, you want to talk about our buddy Sean F.? Sean, my boy Sean. All right, Sean F. 6.5 degrees on Pinside for you guys. Thank you, Sean, for emailing us. Hey, he says he's one of our 28 listeners. So thank you, Sean, for that. Number 28. We are moving up in the world. We went from the original 14 to now the new 28. Seventh favorite podcast, I'm sure.
    66:14
    Well, he's paying us $5 to shill. Tell us where we're shilling. Drew was very nice. Drew said, oh, dude, you don't have to give us $5. But you know what I said? give us five bucks i require the five dollars actually he offered us five dollars for well we're gonna sell some of his machines for him tonight show me the money so sean is selling some pinball machines so sean f um let's look at here 6.5 degrees on pin side so look at this guy send him a message but he is selling a home use only metallica pro with color DMD. Gotta love that. Total Light Show. Where's he located?
    66:59
    In your backyard. I don't know, dude. Alright, so let's move past that. Don't undercut me. But home use only Metallica Pro with color DMD, Total Light Show and many other mods will trade for a Deadpool Pro or Iron Maiden Pro.
    67:19
    I'll tell you what, Sean. Oh, northern Chicago suburbs. So he's close, brother. He's close. Sean, I'll tell you what. I got a LaserCue coming up tomorrow. Metallica Pro. I will trade you for your home use only Metallica. I will trade my beloved LaserCue. Don't do that one, Sean. With Total Light Show and Color DMD. Okay, I'll pay you $400 for the... There you go. Very unfair. Good of you. Super unfair. Anyway. Sorry, Sean. For those of you looking for a Metallica Pro with a Color DMD and Total Light Show, dude, head up sean uh 6.5 degrees he's paying us five dollars to say this guys i don't think you understand sean we have 28 people that listen to us every week so paying us five dollars for that it's well worth it yeah yeah so sean thank you very much sir thank you for you we will show for you everybody buy sean's machine home is only metallica pro got all these mods do it Total light show, by the way, is awesome. 6.5 degrees on pin side. It basically makes it a premium.
    68:24
    The light show on the premium is nothing short of fantastic. Should we talk about some hate mail? Hate mail? What do you got? Yeah. Some Big Lebowski hate mail. Oh. It's just that one? Let's do it. Oh, boy. Let's do it. Let's go into it. Go ahead. It should be said. We got some hate mail because we had some opinions about the Big Lebowski and Dutch memo right let's rephrase that drew got some hate mail i think we all well yeah drew definitely got some hate mail because ian was so drunk that he gave he was lenient on me for the record don't put me in this no josh was not in it but um this was my sober episode by the way guys i got hate see this is what i need to drink it was straight up directed at drew yeah let's let's be fair though like if we're gonna share the good stuff we gotta share the shit stuff too right yeah It's all good. And, Drew, we love you. So just listen to your latest podcast. And wanted to congratulate Drew on being as oblivious about the history of the Big Lebowski and Dutch Pinball as the typical Donnie with quotation marks that shares their wisdom, quotation marks, on Pinside, the Big Lebowski pre-order thread.
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    Don't pre-order or you get what you deserve. Really, man? True. This guy doesn't like me. Thanks so much for this sage advice. Let me go back in time five years ago with this whole hobby. I wasn't in the hobby, folks. When this whole hobby was pre-ordering and taking advantage of this insightful hindsight prior to the J-pop, Highway, and Predator ripoffs that everyone has the benefit of now being aware of.
    70:16
    F-W-I-W. For what it's worth. The Big Lebowski was developed over a lengthy period of time and then was being built and shipped right up to the day it wasn't any longer. There were approximately 180 early achievers who enabled the development of this game by paying in full for it. Sadly, only 50 or so actually have received their games to date. All were in line ahead of those who subsequently only paid a $1,000 refundable deposit to Cointaker or Nitro, some of whom are now being granted first rights to purchasing the 40 hostage games to be released. Hostage. Keep in mind. Games that were already fully paid for by early achievers, in quotation marks, and will no doubt be soon be flipped for $20K or more on the open market. exclamation point.
    71:12
    Please do your listeners a favor and attempt to do your homework before you spot off on the next topic. This is still the rest of me, by the way. You know nothing about. You don't even have the excuse of being drunk on this episode either.
    71:26
    I'm sober. That's where I was safe. You didn't drink that episode. I did. I want to say, go ahead. Just pour, quotation marks, and ignorant. Thank you, Tim. Hey, Tim, I just want to we've already buried the hatchet with Tim. but to be fair he's 100% right we don't know what it's like to give out money to a game and not get anything in return so let me just so Tim if you are listening we love you Tim my sincerest apologies I know there's people out there that lost money and once again we're just doing this for entertainment so I don't mean to make light of your situation because Tim's one of these guys who was an early achiever and spent money, got burned, and that just sucks. So, Tim, I'm really sorry wholeheartedly. I'm glad that you're a listener. And, yeah, it just sucks, man. I mean, I don't even know what to say because it's just awful. The whole thing just sucks up and down. It does. It's awful. And, you know, these companies need to figure out a better way to move forward. And you heard about Cointaker today, right? No, I didn't. You talked about the 40 they went to go visit. Oh, so, yeah, Barry from Dutch Pinball, he supposedly went through, he opened them up. Not all of them. He only went through a couple at the time. By now, he's probably gone through all of them. He said they were all perfect. I love how they say it's climate control. They make sure it says climate control. It always says that. It could be anywhere. Sorry, everyone always says climate control. My shitty basement is climate control, motherfucker. But, you know, yeah, Barry says, oh, I went through and I, you know, the first five games were perfect. Well, how are we going to believe him now? You know, so like I said, the whole thing just sucks up and down. And, you know, for Barry, you know, maybe they have good intentions, but good intentions do not make these people whole. And that's what sucks. Right. So. Ryan, you got anything to say? I mean, the whole thing is just bad. Yeah, it's just, there's no way to fix it. There's no good way to fix it. That's the problem. It's terrible. The only way that this might end okay is if they do take all that money that they get from these 40 sales and they're able to produce more games and then get them to the early achievers, right? No, no, but that's the only way. I thought that money was just to pay for those games that were made. No, supposedly there was money left over. That's the thing. And there's parts. at ari that is where barry's gonna make a fortune yeah he's gonna sell those fucking parts yes everybody that has uh a big lebowski what are you saying right no it's not gonna work i'm just saying i'm just saying no i'm just saying that's how shady this is he's gonna end up selling those parts for people yeah to be honest i was a little upset that our first bit of hate mail was directed towards Drew and not me. I was a little like, what more do I have to do? See, that was sober Drew. Drunk Drew's like, I'm sorry, I love you. Sober Drew's like, oh, you guys all suck and you guys shouldn't have made that mistake in the first place. Yeah, I'm ass backwards. I always have been. Sorry, Tim. Yeah, we're sorry, Tim. We love you. All right, guys. Josh, thank you for being on the show. Let's wrap it up, right? Let's get it done. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a blast. Oh, man. So much fun, dude. This went fast. Hope we can do it again sometime. Yeah, we did good, man. This is good. It always takes way longer to listen to this shit than it is to actually record it. We did good. Guys, thank you. Episode 19. Next week is the big episode 20. I just say that, but it's just another episode. Ooh, 20. What should we do? One more and you guys can drink. 20 weeks. Oh, right. Oops. There you go. I love this guy.
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    Spirit animal, guys. Spirit animal. Can you believe some people have done 300 of these? yeah I can see it I don't know how they do it they have to do it every day anytime the wind hits their asshole just right they have to put out another podcast but not us we're too lazy Ryan thank you again brother thanks Ryan before we wrap it up this is what we do we always talk through the exit Ryan where are you going to be this week going to Pinberg first time Ryan Kuyper is breaking his Pinberg cherry When you come back are you still going to be married That's a good question Let's put some $20 on that one He'll be fine Sue we love you So Ryan top five things I just make up numbers here How about some of the top things You're looking forward to Who do you want to meet Oh man I mean, that's my main reason for going. I mean, I'm not good at pinball. If you watch me, you'll know that.
    76:34
    I've watched you. Terrible. You're okay. Thank you. It's just go and hang out with people and meet up in person finally and just, you know, it's just the social aspect is what I'm looking forward to the most. Are you going to ask Alwyn why there's no clips in Jurassic Park? I don't want clips, asshole. I don't think so. Sorry. You're going to say, this game could be six cheeses instead of five cheeses. And then he'll slap me with cheese. Cheese slices, guys. All you got to do is meet Tuna. That's what I can do. Oh, yeah, you said Tuna. Yeah, Tuna would be awesome. And another guy who's been a major, major help to me personally with my stream in general is Steven Young from Pinball Indesirables. He's cool. We got to get him on the show, too. Steven is super cool. He's from the area here? Nope. We were talking about getting some, we're going to get some far away interviews. We've only had local. We're going to start branching out soon. So that's kind of it. Very cool. So you're looking forward to the tournament at all? Yeah. Just not last. If I'm second from last, that's a win. Top 500, baby.
    77:40
    Yeah. There's 1,000 people. So if you can get in the top 800, you're good, right? Top 500. I'll be disappointed in you.
    77:48
    Get ready for disappointment. That's what I do. Lower your bar. No, it's... I mean, I'm not... Like, even with League, I don't go there like, I'm going to whoop people's butts. You know, I wonder how many people of those, like, thousand, because, you know, everyone just tries to get in. Like, how many of those people are actually good? Because there's got to be a lot of people. I know a lot of them are, but, you know, like half of them, right? The other half are just people that we'll find out. The good half. Yeah. Get in there, man. The best thing you play around, you're not as bad as you say you are. I'm terrible. This guy does great in League. We're streamer and pinball. Yeah. He just likes that. He's like a poor man pinball podcast. Where's podcasting pinball?
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    Seventh best pinball podcast and the seventh best streamer. Yeah, this is why he's on this show. Steven would argue with you about that. He'll beat me.
    78:40
    I wouldn't even throw the mattress. He'll beat me. No, but it's just going back to how cool the pinball community as a whole is. Like everyone's mega helpful. you know i mean there's ribbing and stuff but it's all in good fun and it's just a great community of just super helpful awesome people right wait wait are you mailing like two cases of spotted cow down there no i'm not doing that you would be a king maybe or they'd be like what is this i'd like i love you is marty gonna be there this year from uh i don't think he's i think he said he's not coming no i was gonna say bring bring him some nice gin and yeah you know get in with him You can give him a Polish nutsack. I know you like to give out those kangaroo nutsacks. He loves the roo-sacks. All we got in Milwaukee are Polish nutsacks. Yeah. So we can do that. You give him like an old man ball sack. Is that what it is? Yeah. Here's your Polish nutsack. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
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    Disgusting. I know. I'm sorry, everybody. I'm sorry. This bald eagle is very good. Did we almost finish that bottle? Eagle rare. Yeah. Holy fucking shit. This cost Josh like $1,000. But you know what, though? It tastes... Delicious. Like $1,000. You know what? Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a professional drinker. I've been drinking for 20 years, and I have never finished a full bottle of booze in a single night. We're going to kill it tonight. I think we're going to kill this bottle of booze. We're going to kill it tonight. We'll kill it. That's a good bet. Good job, guys. I'm proud of you all. Jesus Christ. So Ryan was streaming last week, just real quick. So go back into Twitch and check out his – he had two amazing streams. He had Josh on for the Simpsons pinball party. Which was awesome. Which was fantastic. Great game just to watch. Last time I streamed it. You were on there. Last time – yeah, last time I streamed that with him, I ended up buying one. Oh, not me, sir. Jesus. And the other one, he was with a buddy, Dave, and they did Canyon Star. Oh, man. Super sweet. Check those out, please. Dave is getting his basement set up. He's going to have some sweet games ready for streaming soon. Yeah, he's setting the games up as we speak. We're going to get him on as a guest in a couple of weeks here. Yes, and maybe before Ryan gives all of his equipment to Dave to stream up there, we'll get Monster Bash in here one of these days. Yeah, totally. We should get Monster Bash. We should get a four-player game going. Yeah. But no, that's TurboGrafx-7 on Twitch. Look forward to some good games coming up soon. Yep. And all, all, uh, cheers, all those bits, all those bits are going to go to you. Cheering those bits. You know what? All those bits are going to go to Drew's, uh, new house.
    81:26
    Forget him out of his current situation. I'm homeless, sleeping on a couch. Yes. He does not want to sleep underneath his Bram Stoker's Dracula or his Willy Wonka or any of the other games he's trying to buy right now. So all bits will go to Drew's new lodging. But let's wrap it up for real now. I want to say thank you very much, Ryan Kuiper, of course. You're the best. Drew, you're a slob. I love it.
    81:55
    I'm your slob. That's what I tell my wife all the time. I'm your slob. My spirit animal. You're fantastic, dude. That was a drunk eagle, by the way. Love you guys, man. I love you guys. It's probably more like a crow.
    82:12
    Is that a blackbird? Josh, thank you so much for taking your time out of your busy day to hang out with this fucking crew. So I appreciate it, everybody. Absolutely, guys. You guys are great. Last words? Peace out. We're good. Have a good night, guys. See ya. Thanks, guys. Bye-bye.
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