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Episode 202 – In Space

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 57m·analyzed·Mar 15, 2023
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TL;DR

Hosts debate Foo Fighters, Scooby-Doo bugs, and Godfather's excessive mechs/multiball design.

Summary

Slam Tilt podcast hosts Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss recent pinball game announcements including Stern's Foo Fighters (with designer Jack Danger), Spooky's Scooby-Doo (shipping with bugs and incomplete code), and Jersey Jack's The Godfather (29 ball diverters, $12K-$15K pricing, Keith Johnson rules design). The hosts analyze design philosophy differences between manufacturers, criticize trend toward excessive multiball modes, and express concerns about Spooky's quality control as the company scales.

Key Claims

  • Foo Fighters was designed by Jack Danger with animations created by Stern based on Saturday morning cartoon aesthetic

    high confidence · Ron explicitly states this is the design concept and credits Jack Danger as designer; animation work attributed to Stern/Zombie Eddie

  • Scooby-Doo has unfinished code and bugs, including bonus carry-over bug and missing code at end of gameplay

    high confidence · Direct observation of Carl D'Angelo streaming Scooby-Doo with specific bug examples; hosts attribute to Spooky growing too fast

  • The Godfather has 29 different ball diverters and more RGB LEDs than Guns N' Roses

    high confidence · Zach corrects initial claim from '39 different shots' to '29 different ball pass diverters'; hosts confirm this is unusually high component count

  • The Godfather pricing: $12,000 LE / $15,000 Collector's Edition, same as Toy Story

    high confidence · Ron states these prices directly; compares favorably to Toy Story pricing structure

  • Foo Fighters Expression Lights will only come stock on LE, cannot be retrofitted to Pro model

    high confidence · Hosts compare to Led Zeppelin and Rush Expression Light availability; note this represents tightening of upgrade path

  • Bruce correctly predicted Foo Fighters would have Voltron-style bot assembly mechanic (foobot)

    high confidence · Bruce states prediction from previous episode; confirmed in official reveal; hosts praise accuracy

  • Jersey Jack is dropping Scorbit support

    medium confidence · Ron mentions 'just found this out this morning' that JJP is dropping Scorbit support; no elaboration or confirmation in provided content

  • Spooky is hiring outside Wisconsin (including New Zealand) to finish Halloween code after year and a half delay

    medium confidence · Host notes this pattern; specific New Zealand hire mentioned; connection to Halloween delays stated but not fully elaborated

Notable Quotes

  • “I was wrong on one thing, and I was right on the other thing. You were right on the Voltron thing... literally there is a foobot in this game that you assemble with members of the band.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ early in episode — Bruce's design prediction about Foo Fighters was accurate, demonstrating insider knowledge or intuitive grasp of game design

  • “This is the second time Stern has screwed Spooky... We took your Godzilla from you. Oh, hey, you're making Scooby-Doo? We'll just make it funnier.”

    Ron Hallett @ mid-episode discussion — Allegation that Stern copied Spooky design concept (Scooby-Doo mystery/investigation theme) for Foo Fighters

  • “Is it me, or is Spooky getting worse and worse with their games now when it comes to rules being done when it's released and bugs coming out? It just seems like they're growing too fast.”

    Ron Hallett @ Scooby-Doo discussion — Host expresses concern about Spooky's quality control and scaling issues; pattern criticism

  • “I mean, there was Scooby-Doo, you know, and then this... Well, they released games after. They released, finally, Scooby-Doo machines, so they're now out in the public.”

    hosts discussing game release timing @ game release comparison — Scooby-Doo shipped to location operators before official announcement, creating early streaming exposure

  • “It's the Keith Johnson in the rule set so it's stacking galore tons of multi-balls... I'm watching the trailer build your territory, recruit soldiers blah blah blah, this sounds like a really cool rule set... and then they cut to an actual video of the thing and it's just like multi-ball multi-ball, multi-ball, multi-ball.”

    Zach (co-host) @ Godfather rules discussion — Criticism that Godfather's rule set complexity is overwhelmed by excessive multiball stacking; marketing vs. reality disconnect

  • “You know what? I like the music. I like the sounds. I kind of like the game. I really do. I like to play one now... This is a game that interests me.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ Foo Fighters final assessment — Positive reception to Foo Fighters overall despite mechanical concerns about plunge reliability

Entities

Foo FightersgameScooby-DoogameThe GodfathergameJack DangerpersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonZachperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Jersey Jack dropping Scorbit support

    medium · Ron mentions 'just found this out this morning that JJP is dropping Scorbit support'; no elaboration provided in content

  • ?

    community_signal: Allegation that Stern copied Spooky's Scooby-Doo concept design for Foo Fighters (mystery investigation theme with van/mystery machine)

    medium · Ron states 'this is the second time Stern has screwed Spooky'; hosts speculate Stern saw Scooby in development and created competing version with superior animation

  • ?

    community_signal: Streaming early access by competitive players (Carl D'Angelo, Eric Minier) used by manufacturers to generate buzz for upcoming releases

    high · Multiple streaming examples cited: Carl D'Angelo on IE Pinball, Flippin' Out stream with Eric Minier and Keith Johnson; hosts use streams as primary source for rules/mech analysis

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Foo Fighters designed with accessible, stack-friendly mechanics (repeatable loop shots, early multiball access) contrasting with Bond's restrictive design

    high · Hosts compare Foo Fighters favorably to Bond; note Foo Fighters allows stacking from iteration 1.0 while Bond was .85 and still limiting

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Emerging concern about excessive multiball stacking as dominant rule design trend across manufacturers

    high · Hosts criticize Godfather for overwhelming multiball stacking despite interesting theme concept; note similarity to Guns N' Roses; express concern this trend is becoming formulaic

Transcript

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0:00
Uh, guys? Guys, what, uh, what's the big deal with balloons? I mean, you guys have a balloon, you know? Whoa! Yeah, that kick-ass. I look cool. Uh, wait a minute. That doesn't look like me. It's like, it's got my gums all showing and stuff. I don't look like that. Yes, you do, but your gums are always showing. You look like a horse.
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Show Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. All right. Hey, that's cool. I'm bored.
0:50
What do you mean you're bored? Do you like the other host thing? I do like the other host thing. You know, no one got back to us on that whole thing at all. Oh, no, I heard about it. Okay. Okay, no one contacted us via our e-mail address at slamtailpodcast.gmail.com to make comments. I did get comments privately. Oh, privately that they agreed with me. No. Unanimous support for Bruce. Oh, wait a minute. We have a third guy. Oh, yeah. We got Zach. The other host. No, your co-host. I can co-host now? Yes. You've been demoted.
1:24
You've demoted from our third host to co-host. Wow. How does that feel, Zach? Uh, no, I feel like, considering that Bruce is actually still the co-host, I'm now an equal level with Bruce. Do you really want to be equal with me? No, I want to be above it, but it's a good start. Maybe, I'm thinking, since we're both hosts now, Bruce, maybe he's the second host, not third host anymore. Oh.
1:48

  • “I heard Danger say that, like, apparently actually putting the slots with the filled-in plastic thing cost money, and this thing was, like, so close to over budget that they had to cost that out even.”

    Ron Hallett @ Expression Lights discussion — Insight into Stern production constraints: Expression Light slots removed from Pro due to budget pressure

  • “For the home now, $12,000 for the lower model, the LE, and $15,000 for the collector's edition... This is $7,000 for a pro, and then you have $12,000.”

    Ron Hallett @ Godfather pricing discussion — Comparison of JJP pricing vs. Stern; notes JJP has abandoned lower price point strategy

  • “Yeah, Jersey Jack got skipped out and got into wide-bodies too, so... But Spooky's holding the line.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ wide-body playfield discussion — Notes that Spooky (implied) is still resisting wide-body trend while JJP adopted it

  • “Yeah, just put it on the backboard anyway, so you don't care... Raza had a roto target. That game was never made... Prototypes don't count?”

    Zach and hosts @ discussing mechanical features — Hosts debate retro mechanical feature comebacks; establish that prototype-only games don't count in design lineage discussions

    • Stern Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Keith Johnsonperson
    Carl D'Angeloperson
    Christopher Franchiperson
    Zombie Eddieperson
    Rochester Pinball Collectiveorganization
    Brendan Smallperson
    Marlon Brandoperson
    Al Pacinoperson
    James Caanperson
    Ava Godaperson
  • ?

    leak_detection: Scooby-Doo leaked to location operators before official announcement; Carl D'Angelo streamed within week of release

    high · Hosts note 'they released, finally, Scooby-Doo machines, so they're now out in the public... they had a month and a half ahead' of Foo Fighters; streaming evidence available

  • $

    market_signal: Jersey Jack moving entirely to premium home market; lowest-tier Godfather is $12K LE (no standard edition), discontinuing lower-priced models

    high · Hosts contrast JJP strategy with Stern's three-tier pricing; note Godfather starts at LE price tier with no Pro equivalent; prices same as Toy Story

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Spooky Pinball expanding hiring beyond Wisconsin (including New Zealand) to complete delayed code work

    medium · Hosts note Spooky hired person in New Zealand to finish Halloween code after year-and-a-half delay; indicates scaling challenges

  • ?

    announcement: The Godfather officially announced by Jersey Jack with specifications (29 ball diverters, $12K-$15K pricing, Keith Johnson rules)

    high · Detailed component count, pricing tiers, actor licensing deals, and rules designer attribution all confirmed through streams and official channels

  • ?

    announcement: Foo Fighters officially announced by Stern with full game details, animation style, and designer credit (Jack Danger)

    high · Hosts discuss official reveal with specific game mechanics (foobot assembly, Area 51 mode, Scooby-Doo parallels)

  • ?

    product_strategy: Expression Lights feature availability increasingly restricted: no retrofit available for Pro model on Foo Fighters (contrast to Led Zeppelin),only LE includes them stock

    high · Hosts track Expression Light availability across three games (Led Zeppelin, Rush, Foo Fighters); note progressive tightening of upgrade path; Jack Danger confirms budget pressure caused Pro slot removal

  • ?

    product_concern: Scooby-Doo shipping with unfinished code and gameplay bugs despite being released to locations

    high · Carl D'Angelo stream shows bonus carry-over bug, missing code at game end, looping audio issues; hosts cite pattern of incomplete releases

    • Wouldn't you have to be, like, half host each if I'm the second host, which would make you both co-hosts?
    1:53
    Mm. This is episode 202. I'm bored. There's nothing going on in pinball lately. Oh, yeah. Absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing at all. Since our last episode, we've had no less than four either reveals or teasers. Yeah. Actually, five. Yeah, five, actually, yes. Yeah. Let's just get right into it. Yay. Let's start with the leader of the industry, Stern Pinball, who released Foo Fighters. I think our last episode, the teaser was out. The teaser was out. So we knew the title. So now we know the game. I was wrong on one thing, and I was right on the other thing. You were right on the Voltron thing. I was fucking right on the Voltron thing.
    2:41
    Yes, Bruce said there's like a bot you could assemble, and literally there is a foobot in this game that you assemble with members of the band. Did you see that and go, what the fuck, Bruce? Yeah, Bruce, were you like getting some inside info or something? No, not at all. I just thought of how they were doing the music and everything like that. It was kind of like Voltron-y a little bit. So I was like, all right, that'd be cool if they actually did that. And it just came off the cuff in the episode. Voltron-y? I thought it was going to be a little later. I heard from two people that it was going to be a little later, and it was not. So I was wrong about that, but I was right about something in the game. Yeah, I wonder if they got wisp of other manufacturers. I think they did. I think so. We need to beat them all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can talk about that. But, yeah, Pooh Fighters.
    3:33
    So... Jack Danger. Yep, Jack Danger. First Winter Stone. Tanya O'Clyde, head of the software head. Finally gets to know the game. Finally gets to know the game after Deadpool.
    3:45
    So what did we think? We saw... This was like the polar opposite of Bond as far as... Oh, my God. ...coordinated effort and everything actually being... It looks... Yes. They only had one mistake that I saw. You know what it was? No, what was it? I get the emails from Stern. Oh, yes. And the email from Stern had all, you know, Foo Fighters, new game, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it had a blurb where it wanted me to listen to the Stern Insider podcast to learn about this new game because they had a podcast with the team, the Foo Fighters team. The problem was the actual blurb was for Bond. There you go. Hey. You know, meet George Gomez. And the Bond is like, uh, whoops. Well, the game looks ten times better rules-wise already. Than Stranger Things. No, than Bond. Stop. Than Bond. But Stranger Things can be thrown in that. Stop. It's the truth. I feel like it already looks at least ten times better than I think Bond will look when it's at 1.0. Yeah, probably. And Bond is still at the same level of .85, I think. And, yeah, they were at .80. We have the hard-to-work-with licensor versus the, oh, that sounds cool, do whatever you want licensor. Yeah. And it probably does make a whole difference. Like, oh, my God, look what I get to do. I just love – this is why I love – the part I love about Pinside, when Bond comes out and Stern Games suck, I'm never buying one again, blah, blah. If this thing comes out, oh my god! Take my money. Take my money now. I need to have this immediately. You guys are funny.
    5:32
    I did like the theme of Bond. I still like the theme. It's James fucking Bond. I know, but the problem is who did the rules? Oh god. Who did the rules? I don't think that this Bond was a good choice. You know, you play Like, they're radioactive reconnaissance mode, and it's a zero-action mode. It's Bond walking around on a Geiger counter beeping at things. I know. It's the most, like, boring, sedentary, like, thing ever, and they're trying to, like, make ba-ba-bump shots around it. I'm like, maybe you should have gone to, if not Daniel Craig, you know, because all his is super action-y, then go back to Pierce Brosnan. All his movies were, like, way more action-y focused. But the actual early Bond was a bit more of a spy movie, you know, which I like, but doesn't really fit a pinball machine. Yeah. It needs a remake for 1.0, I think. I really didn't feel that way. I feel like right now it's just a $10,000 turd.
    6:31
    For 1.0, they're going to announce a special upgrade pack with UV ink, and it'll change for Roger Moore on the side. There you go. Very great.
    6:41
    Money, money, I'm getting pushed out. It's just If you look at the crispness between Foo Fighters When it was on the big reveal Guess what? I can stack modes Guess what? I can do this You can do the thing that's been in every game For the past two decades? Exactly!
    7:04
    That's an innovation for Foo Fighters I know, but guess what? I can do it In the first iteration For Bond, hey, I had to wait a month and a half and it still sucks. Just, oh my god. It looks great. It's Scooby-Doo Junior.
    7:20
    Yeah, what's with this? Yes. If you go through Area 51 it looks like they're doing the Scooby-Doo act and I really did like but don't forget the animations were based off of a thing that they do before this. That's where they get lucky with. Like they did with Iron Maiden. With Iron Maiden they had the Iron Maiden video game so they had the same kind of thing you know, Foo Fighters has a show every Saturday They used this animation, so it did help a lot with that. Wait a minute. Foo Fighters have a show every Saturday? Yes. This is what it's based off of. They have a show. What do you mean they have a show? I thought it was based on the fact that if they had a Saturday morning cartoon back in the 80s. I think they do. Let's see. Hold on. No, they don't. Bruce, Bruce, no. That was the whole point of the game. Get with Ron here. It's supposed to look like it's an 80s Saturday morning cartoon show starring the Foo Fighters. That's the whole purpose of the game. Didn't you hear any of the podcasts? Do any of the research? No.
    8:18
    Thank you. You see what I have to put up with people? These people are not doing the research that I do for you. So they did all the animation. We do other research. We come together, you know. So they did all the other animation, Stern? Yes, Stern. That's the Stern animation. That's the whole. It was like Zombie Eddie's idea, a lot of it, originally.
    8:43
    It's a Saturday morning cartoon featuring the Foo Fighters. So instead of Scooby-Doo, where they're going after ghosts, they're trying to save the world from the evil overlord, who is the alien, who is once again Brendan Small, who did Jackie from Aerosmith and Sparky from Metallica. As soon as I heard the voice, it's like, oh, is it Brendan Small again? It is. They got a guy for that. Yeah, he's the, you know, whenever you have a British accent woman, they have a Brendan Small guy. Oh, yeah, that's, yeah. Yeah, whenever you have a woman narrator in a game, she has to have a British accent. That's the rules now.
    9:22
    100%. Yep, that's the rules. She has to. I don't know. It's some kind of unwritten rule now. We're sorry. Iron Maiden was just too good. We can't not do that anymore. Well, they did that in, what was it, Game of Thrones. Same thing.
    9:36
    So, what was I saying? Yes, the evil overlord, he crashed in Area 51, but he grew up raised on American pop culture, and he wants to ruin rock and roll by making it techno. And the Foo Fighters have to save rock and roll. That's the plot of the game. I did like the Area 51 where they're going back and forth and doing the Scooby-Doo. And even have almost like the kind of music, almost like, you know, a little bit like, you know. Not necessarily music, but the sound effects were directly from my Scooby-Doo. Yeah, the exact same. Yes. And then when they said if you go further in it, you're going to see more funny things, of course. Hopefully they pull off Overlord's mask just like they do the Scooby-Doo mask. Yes.
    10:19
    Wait a minute, he has a mask? He's an alien. I don't know, he's an alien that has a skull mask to make him not look like an alien. I'm pretty sure. This is the second time Stern has screwed Spooky.
    10:30
    Oh, just copying the... Yes. I would assume they had the idea before they knew that the other side was Scooby-Doo. We took your Godzilla from you. Oh, hey, you're making Scooby-Doo? We'll just make it funnier.
    10:43
    Oh, yeah, we want the van. We have a van. Exactly. We have our own mystery machine. Yep. But their mystery machine is 2D on the pro.
    10:52
    Yeah. So what do we think of the game? The shots were pretty ingenious. I think Jack did a great job. I hope it actually works good on location. Yeah. Iron Maiden was a plunge that, like, never worked. Yeah. And this game has, like, five things like that. I really hope these actually work out. Tons of tweaking on every single game by the owners to make it go properly. Yeah, shoot the, like, leftmost ramp, and it's supposed to come around, and then connect to another thing that comes around, and that has to work right. And, yeah, there's a lot of that in there. But I appreciate putting that in there, because when it all works, it'll be awesome. Yeah, and, of course, runs will work. Because Ron will tweak everything. Ron, Ron. How about yours? I mean, I'm sure you must have bought this by now. Oh, of course. It's coming to the world famous. Go ahead, Zach. No, the world famous Rochester Pinball Collective, which is located wherever. I'm not going to tell Zach to tell it. He owns it, too.
    11:52
    Down the street from the Sobol Saloon? Nope, that's not good enough. In the Piano Works Plaza? Yes, that's getting better. What's the address of it? West Commercial Street. Almost.
    12:04
    You got the name? Is there two digits in the number? There is. One's a nine? No. Yeah, one is a nine.
    12:12
    What's our code for the bathroom, Zach? 349-2? No, we don't ignore the two. That's second floor. Isn't that the code for the bathroom, though? That's the code for it, yes. Oh, my God, we're giving out the code to the bathroom here. All those who are going to listen to this podcast are going to break in the bathroom. Yes, they're going to break in the bathroom. It would be all our fault. You damn kids. Damn it, Chris. See, we're doing a Scooby-Doo thing.
    12:36
    For you damn kids. I'd be able to destroy this bathroom. So where is it, Zach? Penilworks. Wow, Zach is really getting put on the spot. Zach is one of the five owners of the co-op, by the way. And he doesn't know the address of the co-op. Yep.
    12:52
    Just tell me their website. What suite number? 2965. There you go. He's got that part. Okay, Bruce, where is it?
    13:01
    349 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. Oh, East Rochester. Yes. I was thinking West. No, it's always West Commercial Street and then East Rochester. Even I know that. Because it's east of Rochester. I definitely got that wrong sometimes when we used to do the joke about the bar. So you're getting a Foo Fighters? Yes. And so we're getting two. We're getting two. Okay, okay. Let me guess. Okay, let me guess. So Zach is getting a pro. Yeah. And someone else there, probably a particular person, is getting an LE. Yeah. Okay. There you go. Yes. So we'll have two. So we get to play it first, and then we'll play it on the LE, which I don't know. What did you think of the upper play field? It looked too good to me. Yeah, I wasn't really. I did like that there was a spinner in the upper play field. That's the only cool thing about it. I mean, wait, wait. Bruce, Halloween has two spinners over playfield. Come on. And they suck. We need at least three spinners on the next over playfield to keep the thing going. Yeah. Elwin, talk to us. It's a repeatable loop shot, so. Every upper playfield has a repeatable loop shot almost. Yeah. Like, the majority of upper playfields ever with one flipper have a repeatable loop shot. Yeah.
    14:17
    A makeable repeatable loop shot. Oh, wow. I'm like, five nights sort of rich. I've seen people make that loop shot all day. What are you talking about? Really? All day? Yeah. All day. The game was Alex.
    14:32
    It's fine to me. It has a diverter thing. Not a diverter. It moves out of the way so you hit a target, so it'll stop looking. It diverts you to the target. Oh, yeah. Yes. I like the music. I like the sounds. I kind of like the game. I really do. I like to play one now. I like to play one. Wow. I don't need to buy one. That's the good thing. I love this new project we're in. It looks okay. I want to play it. I really do. This is a game that interests me.
    15:01
    I think they picked most of the right songs from Foo Fighters. I don't think they missed any, you know, the popular ones. I don't even know most of the Foo Fighters songs. How about the art? The art I liked. I think it's another instance where the pro art package is the best. It's the best one. I agree. We should stop doing that. Well, they didn't for Bonds, so you have that one. Yeah. That's true. Yeah, that was pretty bad. It was better than the ProBond. Yes. I like the idea of the bright yellow cabinet, but the piece of art on the cabinet is not awful.
    15:34
    So what do you think of the whole expression lighting thing that they've changed? So we had – well, let's review. I can't swap my Rush expression lights into my two bitters. The non-existent ones? Yeah. They're coming. Yeah, sure. Led Zeppelin, you had Expression Lights were stock in the Premium and LE models, and you could get them for the Pro. So the cabinets were all the same. Yeah, all the same. So then for Rush, Expression Lights came with the LE. They didn't come with the Pro or Premium, but you can install them in there whenever the kits come available. And it's only been a year, year and a half. To be determined.
    16:20
    So now, with this game, with Foo Fighters, the Expression Lights come with the LE. You can put them in the Premium. You can't put them in the Pro. Yeah.
    16:33
    So next time, there are just going to be slots on the LE, too, and you have to buy them for that even. Yeah, exactly. Any other trend. I wonder if they went by whoever bought Expression Lightning kits when you actually could buy them for the Pro Led Zeppelin. Well, yeah, but you're going by one of the games. All five Led Zeppelin owners there. And they probably had no one because no one bought Led Zeppelin, and they're using that as their data. This is a bad example. That's a faulty data there. Yeah. I mean, I heard Danger say that, like, apparently actually putting the slots with the filled-in plastic thing cost money, and this thing was, like, so close to over budget that they had to cost that out even. And also, it's punished a bit in accounts like that because I don't know pop bumpers. Yes. You know, any game between pop bumpers, I assume they get a volume discount, and so it inflates their numbers. This is a thing, a trend I'm actually liking, the not having to have the three pop bumper nests in every game. What? Gary's rolling over in his vodka bottle. Yeah. That's why he retired. You can understand it. Yes, because he had Godzilla with just the one, and now this one has none. Mando with two. Yeah. What do you think of the Gottlieb kicking target, making a comeback?
    17:49
    I would have rather been in a Gottlieb location. Yeah. So you want it pointed down or side to side to drain you. At League, they had a Genesis at Mark's house, and it had the two slightly pointed down kickers above the outlanes, and those give you such good action, like bam, bam, bam, bam, all over the place. I like it. It's similar to having the pop bumper in Godzilla in a similar position. I do like having it come back. What else do we need? Now we need a roto target, and we're all set. Oh, no.
    18:22
    I'll replace your roto target. Think about it. What? How would you even? That would be interesting. Or room. How would you have enough room to do that? Well, you just put it on the backboard anyway, so you don't care. Yeah. Okay. I mean, technically speaking, Raza had a roto target. That game was never made. That doesn't count It was only in prototype stage Prototypes don't count? No Games that aren't actually released don't count I'm sure that Galactic Tank Force will have two Galactic Tank Force, okay That's coming up, Zach We can't talk about that yet That's right, we can't talk about that yet, baby Come on Penalty That's right, baby Okay, so anything more about Foo Fighters? Seems like, obviously, these guys are interested How about you? Do you have anything?
    19:09
    Looks good to me Okay. That was real thrilling. Has it gotten in the door level one? It's got flow. I mean, the thing looks like it's got flow up the ass. I know. And it's got repeatable loops. So, yeah, I'm in. I mean, again, I don't know. I only know a couple of Foo Fighters songs. So, I know the multiball one. Isn't that three multiballs?
    19:33
    The main, I consider the main multiball. Aren't those three main multiballs? No. There's only one main. How can you have three main multiballs? Just like Rush. That doesn't make any sense. Rush has too many multiballs.
    19:46
    Whatever. Don't you like subdivisions? I love subdividing the divisions. It's fun. You know, the main multiball of Rush, according to you? Well, no. That would be the Time Machine multiball is the main. But it could be one of three different songs. That's not the case in Foo Fighters. I think it is. No, it's not. It has three different things in front of the thingy. Okay, let's move on. Let's just talk about how Bruce was right with Voltron. Yes, it has a foobot. Yes. You could assemble the foobot. Which was apparently made up for this game, too, which makes Bruce's guess even better. I know. Yes.
    20:25
    Bruce, you're going to get us in trouble here. I know, but I literally blurted that out. Yes, Voltron. Yeah, what did you say? And I think David Grohl is the head. Yes. Or the center, whatever. That makes sense. But that wasn't the only game that came out. What? That was one of, like, three, I think, that was actually fully announced. I mean, there was Scooby-Doo, you know, and then this. That's two, right? Yeah, well, Scooby-Doo was already out. One more, right? One more game after this one? Well, they released games after. They released, finally, Scooby-Doo machines, so they're now out in the public. Yeah, they did beat True Fighters to market. Yes, but they had a month and a half ahead. And I got to see Carl D'Angelo on IE Pinball play Scooby. You give away your bonus to your next player. Yeah, that's the bizarre thing where it gave his bonus to his, yeah, that was messed up. Yeah, not ready for the old rule. We're still going to have the same old spooky, hey, good try at the rules, guys. Well, that wasn't a rule thing. That was a bug. Well, okay, there you go. Plus, he got to the end of the game. There was, like, no more code left for him. Yeah. But it is Carl, so it's really not a fair assessment. Yeah, only Carl would skip this. It just seems like they're getting worse. Is it me, or is Spooky getting worse and worse with their games now when it comes to rules being done when it's released and bugs coming out? It just seems like they're growing too fast. And stop hiring people just in Wisconsin.
    22:04
    They hired someone in New Zealand. It's okay. Oh, yeah. Okay, great. Yeah, to finish the other, yeah, Halloween. Games that have not been finished for a year and a half. Yes. And certainly Ben Heck is already coding their next game. But am I right, or is this getting to become like a pattern that's getting worse and worse? All I know is I watched Carl start the Mystery Machine multiball, which plays the Scooby-Doo Where Are You song, which is cool. Yeah, it makes sense. He's too good a player, so he just kept playing for 15 minutes. so the song just kept looping over and over and over. By the end of it, it's like, oh, God, please drain.
    22:40
    Please drain. I don't want to hear the song again. It reminds me of watching people play the Dracula mode on Alice Cooper, just feeling never get to the play field, so the song repeats like three times before they drain. Yeah, he was doing all the right things, and it kept repeating because he just wouldn't drain out of the multiple.
    22:55
    The next game, Godfather. 39 different shots No, it's 29 different ball pass diverters up the butthole Now you're talking about mechs from one thing to another thing This is where your $5,000 goes to Yes Godfather, yes, Jersey Jack is dead Fuck the standard editions It's all upper end home, it's for the home now, $12,000 for the lower model, the LE, and $15,000 for the collector's edition. Which is the same as Toy Story, to be fair. Which is the same as Toy Story. Which is crazy, but also not. They didn't raise price or anything. Which is good. I'll take that any day. And they, yeah, 29 different ballpads, more RGB LEDs than ever. Even than Guns N' Roses? Yes, I think so. The topper, the collector's edition topper with two guys with machine guns that fire. And built-in knockers. Yes, built-in knockers. Art package by Christopher Franchi. They got a lot of the actors, which, I mean, you don't always get that, but they kind of needed to get Marlon Brando, the godfather, if you're doing the godfather. Isn't he dead? Yes, they had to go to the estate of Marlon Brando. I just said, they went to the They stayed with Marlon Brando. They dug a hole in me.
    24:30
    And then they had... They got the rights to use the sounds in the movie, in their game, based on the movie? Yes. Wow. They got Al Pacino, James Caan, who's also dead, Ava Goda, who's also dead. I popped for that, just seeing Ava Goda in a pinball machine. Like, yes! Finally, there's hope for Ron. Yeah, there's hope for the world. Ava Goda's in a pinball machine. This was streamed a couple... Well, actually, Carl D'Angelo again. He streamed it within a week of it being released because they have psycho people in California that just buy these things immediately. So it's on location. He always gets the first one. On location. So they had this thing. They didn't get the first one of The Godfather. Well, not the first one. Somehow they're always in the first week. Yes. So they got that. And, yeah, he was in multi-ball within two shots. Yep. It looked very, very multi-ball heavy. it's the Keith Johnson in the rule set so it's stacking galore tons of multi-balls they kill me so much like I'm watching the trailer build your territory, recruit soldiers blah blah blah, this sounds like a really cool rule set I'm interested in how they integrate this into a pinball theme and then they cut to an actual video of the thing and it's just like multi-ball multi-ball, multi-ball, multi-ball god damn it, not again yeah, it is again well how would you do it, Stack? it sort of reminds me of when Alice Cooper came out Oh, yeah, you can explore the castle, you know, and find items and stuff. And then it's like, oh, that sounds really cool. You know, an exploration dungeon castle, pinball machine. And then you get it. It's like every single castle is just the same diamond of rooms. And you move through them in the same order and the items in the same place. I mean, that's still cool, but really? Yeah.
    26:15
    Zach is available to code your pinball machines. He will fix all this. He will make this great. I'm very disappointed with all these freaking people. Nah. Multiball. I feel like Multiball. I think it's beautiful. The game looks beautiful. There's the verters. It makes everything. This is where your $5,000. Everyone that complains that, why doesn't Stern have all this stuff in it? This is $7,000 for a pro, and then you have $12,000.
    26:43
    For their pro, I guess, which is the L.A. West. That's their lowest model. I just call it their premium. Okay, but even the premium price is still a lot more. The premium is $2,500 more than Spirits. Yeah, but you still get a lot more of a game. Displays bigger, you know. Well, unlike Toy Story, you did not. Toy Story actually had, like, less mechs than many. Oh, it did. I totally agree. It was so stripped. And that's why it went off the line pretty quick. And I'm glad to see that they did not do that again with this one. Yeah. This one definitely just had a lot of crap in it. I love to see some crap in my games. Well, yeah, you want the what? The wide-body, triple-level, ten-flipper game or something? Yeah, but sadly, Jersey Jack got skipped out and got into wide-bodies too, so. But Spooky's holding the line. You really think you could have a game with that many flippers that have it be even remotely fun? Not if it's Jersey Jack.
    27:38
    Okay. Oh, God, not if it's Jersey Jack. But you think it's possible to have a 10-flipper game that's actually fun? If you have enough play fields. I mean, has there ever been a game with five flippers on one play field that was good?
    27:56
    Is there? What game has five on one play field? One, two, three, four, five. Yeah, I can think of four. Four is the line. So four per play field. So to get to 10, you need at least three play fields. Ah, I got you. You got to do the math here. So you want pinball circus. One, two, three. That had five, didn't it? It had five. On three play fields. That was a complete waste of play fields. Come on.
    28:23
    They didn't utilize it enough. So how many of you have you seen it in action? I watched a little bit of the video, but as you said, it was just multi-ball, multi-ball, multi-ball. The animations were awesome. I thought that was really neat, but it just was like. Yeah, I felt like I was watching. I felt like it was Guns N' Roses 2.0 I think it was easier to get a multi-ball in this game than it was Guns N' Roses and Guns N' Roses you're tripping over them yeah you're in lane you're shooting in your in lane and oh hey I got it Carl D'Angelo and IE Pinball streamed this and then on the Flippin' Out stream they streamed this with Eric Minier and Keith Johnson I think Joe Katz was there all from Jersey Jack And I have to say whereas in Toy Story I thought the call were good but I hated the music this is the opposite I think the music good I can stand the call Somehow I didn hear any call Yeah it was hard for me to hear it on the phone Yeah watch the IE Pinball one because he has at least one part where he turns off his mic and they just do the game audio so you can hear everything. Is it just, like, all incredibly bad Italian accents? And, like, mobster gloss? Oh, fuck, yeah, I love this game already now. They're not Italian accents. They're New York accents. So they all talk like this, you know. they all talk and there's like five or six or seven different voices that talk like this. Hey, we'll build you a pinball machine too.
    29:57
    And I just like, oh, my God, no, this doesn't work. And then it's interspersed with actual clips from the movies, which those sound good,
    30:06
    but then you have that in between. It's like there wasn't that much of that stuff talking in the actual movie anywhere. But it's just like, oh, they always have that one thing. They'll have everything that's there and then they'll have that one thing. You know, it's just like, oh, you know, you had me until that one thing. When I play Toy Story at League, it sounds so low you can't hear the music, and it's good. I enjoy playing it. Music never knew it would be in Toy Story. Oh, I didn't know it was a hell out of me. I only played it once, and that was the first thing. I think just like all the audio I put in my head. I ignore the entire thing completely. Yeah, Ron just put it in my head, and I was like, oh, here it is. And I'm like, oh, my God.
    30:44
    Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh, my God, he's right. And I don't want to hear the cost in Toy Story either. I don't like saying Ron's right. I mean, I don't think that they're bad when I do hear them, but I give zero shits about Toy Story, so, like, I just don't even... And they're not even, like, saying anything really useful, so I'm just ignoring all that stuff. Wait a minute, they're not saying, shoot this, shoot that. How's that not useful? You don't need to because it's a giant blinking shot and there's only one on the field any time. It's when, like, five-color rainbow puke at you, like, look over here. And the shot is, like, five inches wide so I can hit it really easily. So Zach's home for us just to have no speech calls at all. Just figure it out.
    31:19
    Deal with it. Okay. The only other thing on Godfather I saw was actually just saw it this morning. I guess JJP is dropping support for Scorbit. Yeah. I just found this out this morning myself. What do you think about that? What are they going to do? It was weird. They told Scorbit at the beginning of March, and then during the flipping out stream, Keith Johnson just mentioned it. Yeah, we're not doing the score bit, whatever he said. I mean, are they coming out with their own product? Buried in their FAQ, there's a note. The employee at JGP responsible for the changes to add score bit resigned recently. And then JGP wasn't doing updates to the network code. They're like, hey, are you going to change these? No. Can we change them for you? No. Yeah, yeah. It was a DGS. Yeah, Scorebit needs to make some network changes they're doing globally that will require changes on all the Jersey Jack games. So the person they usually contact at Jersey Jack resigns or is no longer there. I wonder if it's just like a passion project by one person. That would be kind of crazy. You know, they're just like, hey, can I just do this? And the Jersey Jack is like, sure, okay, that sounds cool. Then they left and they're like, oh, we need to support this now? Shit.
    32:35
    Well, I have a question. If you don't have Scorebit on there, does it have internet connectivity? It can download updates and stuff. Or was that – so you can still do updates? Yeah. I mean, it has a PC in there. It has a Wi-Fi card.
    32:49
    Yeah, but does it have the – like, without – did they have the Wi-Fi code updating ability before they put Scorebit up? Yeah, they had that back on Pirates, I think. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and they also mentioned they made a portal for Jersey Jack, like, analytics, and Jersey Jack never even used it. Surprise! Clearly, Jersey Jack did not really care about this much at all. I think they tried it as a marketing thing, and it didn't go over. Well, supposedly, Ron, what did you say before we started the show? Well, yeah, the same Pinside Post said that it was activated and working in 10,000 Jersey Jack machines. Yeah, I don't buy that. I have a hard time believing that. I don't buy that at all. Not that there's not 10,000 machines. I think there's 10,000 machines. the score bit, but that that many people actually activated it or are actively using it, I find it hard. I mean, how many machines were there? How many plugins were made? Do we know? Yeah, exactly. I mean, not a lot. No, no, no, no. I think their biggest production game was probably Guns N' Roses. That was probably like 5,000 at max. Max, max. It seems like, I feel like all of their games that had score bit combined probably hit around 10,000. Yeah. It seems like a weird statement to mess up or lie about, though. Yeah, it does. It does. We know if they actually made all 5,000 Guns N' Roses, they would have said something. Oh, they would have been doing backflips. So, unlike Stern, we have a pretty safe max number of JGPs that were ever made. Well, they said the regular version was 5,000. The super version was 1,000. Yep. And the basic model was 500 of Guns N' Roses. Yeah, so 500. So 500, 5,000. They sold out 500 and celebrated that. I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, exactly. And they did not celebrate the 5,000 of the LE. So, like, they definitely did not make it to 5,000. No. I'm betting they made it, like, halfway there or something. Yeah, I bet you they made it by 3,500, maybe 37. So, like, you know they did not make 5,000 Guns N' Roses. Nope. They did not make 5,000 Toy Stories. No. They didn't make 5,000 Pirates. And they definitely didn't make that many Wonkas. No.
    34:54
    Yeah, the numbers don't add up. They don't. So do you think they're going to have any equivalent product, or they're just not going to do it? Well, they did try their own thing originally, don't forget, with dialed in, with the Bluetooth flipping. The Bluetooth flipping, which they removed. That was the best five people ever. Yeah, they removed it. They did, but they did try their own thing. Maybe they feel like, oh, well, maybe now we'll try our own thing again. But if you have nothing ready to go, you're going to have a big gap. Oh, there's going to be a big gap. I mean, it's a big gap that all their competitors except Stern are also missing, though. Exactly. So it's not like everyone else has it, and now Jersey Jack's the only one that doesn't have it. Everyone else doesn't have it. And now what does this say for Scorebit? Is Scorebit done with any other company?
    35:42
    Well, no. That's what I'm saying. No, they're going to be with American. Because in all of the Galactic Tank Force trailers that American has made, at the very end, they have the Scorebit logo comes up. very prominently at the end. So they're going to be at least on there. Now, does Scooby have score a bit? I don't think so. I don't think so at all. So Spooky also is not. I don't think Halloween does either. No. So Spooky did it for like one or two games and that was it. Yep. Maybe they charged too much. Well, apparently they don't charge anything for the FAQ, so. Yep. Well, I've also heard that the score bit at Scooby, or no, at Spooky, may have just been Denise doing it. Oh, Denise? Denise, yeah. Now he's at Multimorphic, which already has their own account system, I think. The thing is, Scorbid still works with if you get all the stuff. It works with all your old Williams stuff. It works with Solid State. Who's doing that besides? Well, tournament people. Besides Indisc. Who's doing that?
    36:45
    I can't even believe they managed to make enough money just by developing the board that they use. It's cool. I know. I have a note here actually since we have Zach on I have a note Flippers Jersey Jack Flippers yeah I have to say in the Godfather streams I saw they look pretty snappy the Wonkas I've played the Flippers are much better than other oh no sorry the Toy Story's I've played Toy Story yeah because that's where the game is not the ones that shows they still sucked but every time I've played a Toy Story in a private location the Flippers have actually been not actually the way I'd want, especially the outer orbit shots are still a bit... The center shots were pretty strong. It felt much better than most other, especially stock JGP games I've felt. I'm pretty sure these games are still stock settings too. Well, didn't you look at schematics and you saw a change was made? Yeah, so I mean, first back on Guns N' Roses they put a 3000 microfarad capacitor on their power supply, which basically just gives all your coils an extra punch to him.
    37:54
    And they also updated the flipper coil to like a blue one from Williams instead of a red one or something. But then Carl showed that the flippers overheat a lot.
    38:04
    To be fair, Carl D'Angelo's probably the worst person for flipper heating up. They were literally like browning the coil wrapping. No one does that. He traps up constantly and it always has the flippers up. Have you ever seen any of his other games actually have burn marks on the coil? Uh, no. The thing I have to say is you have to think about the worst case scenario instead of the non-worst case scenario. You always should be overbuilding instead of underbuilding. You're right, Bruce. Yes. Then on Toy Story, they doubled that capacitor. So it's now, like, even more powerful. And I don't know what coil they use, but I would hope that, like, at At some point they've adjusted also their board that runs this to, like, be a bit better about the heat management and things. But I haven't seen Carl play a Toy Story, so I don't know for sure. They're definitely making changes to try to improve the flippers. It's just, I don't know if it's actually being done thoughtfully and in a good way. But presumably... They are aware of the issue. They're aware of the issue. They're at least doing something. Presumably Godfather will at least have the same updated driver board that Toy Story does. with like 6,800 microfarad capacitors on it and the same flipper coils. And it definitely like, the shots are much smaller. It feels more like a Stern layout than any previous Jersey Jack game I've seen. Just the angles and the shot widths and stuff. If you had like a earlier JGP flipper and you had to shoot that layout, I feel like it would just suck. So hopefully they're continuing to improve. Mm-hmm. All right.
    39:44
    Let's see. Okay, that's enough of Godfather. Man, so many. How we have. Wait, wait, Ron. Did they make you an offer you can't refuse?
    39:54
    I thought with you, Ron, you'd be all in on it. You asked the question for Foo Fighters. You've got to ask it for Godfather. I'm going to make them an offer I can't refuse.
    40:02
    You're going to, Ron. Didn't you read this? Yes, I'm refusing their offer. That's a whole fucking thousand dollars for the base model. Yeah, the price, but it's just. It's the price and the cost. So much multiball. Yeah, it's too much. So much multi-ball. If it was under $10,000 and it had good code, I think it could shoot cool. Like, that's the interest in playing it. But, like, right now, I'm just like, I don't even care. Yeah, I have exactly the same thoughts. If one shows up near me, I'll probably at least play it once or twice. But I'm not even going to, like, drive to find one. Foo Fighters, future possibility. This game, no. Yeah. The only Jersey Jets I've always been interested in, the ones I've been interested in, have all been the Pat Waller ones. They have. You have Dialed In, Wonka, Toy Story. And he's gone now. But my favorite designer's there, so he's going to make it all right.
    41:01
    Elton John, baby. Yeah. I'm going to play some Tiny Dancer on your ass. Oh, the closer, tiny dancer. Yeah.
    41:17
    You better, tiny dancer, you little bitch. Oh, God. But I was thinking about this the other day. Eric Minier. Has he had like the largest budget for his first three games of any designer ever?
    41:39
    I'm not saying that as a negative thing. Maybe Pat Lawler being, well, not the first three, but Pat Lawler with Bonsai Run being Yacht Ball. Maybe Pat Lawler with, I mean, Bonsai Run at a cost a shitload. Yeah. I still don't understand why they made Bonsai Run. And for his first game, they did something like that is insane. Bruce Baker was teetering on the edge because they had to cut out the building to get it under budget. I mean, most games had something cut out, though. But then, like, Whirlwind, what did you say, Zach? It has an auxiliary... It has, like, a special extra, extra driver board. Because, like, they already had the MPU, and then they added the aux driver board with the AC relay to do a whole bunch more, and then it still wasn't enough, so they added another driver board that runs off the sound board just to run all the extra coils in Whirlwind.
    42:25
    So, yeah, you look at the first three games for him back then, and then further on, he just keeps on, holy crap, you know, a try-out zone. Even to, like, Funhaus, like, what other designer was going to try to bake the entire animatronic head in a game? Especially one that large. It's just the size of it that's insane. Hey, fucko! Well, that's the design thing, but, like, just, like, the amount of, like, half of the entire playfield of Foo Fighters Pro is in his head. Yes.
    42:50
    And somehow that got past the budgeting committee. Like, what dirt did Baller have on the Williams higher-ups to let them do this stuff?
    42:58
    Alright, alright. So, that's Godfather. Yeah, so, okay, Hey, what else happened in the news today? Oh, and it has Slash in it. Yes, it does. Slash and? Mark Tremonti. I get the Slash thing a bit, but where did they get Mark Tremonti? Mark Tremonti is a used pinhead. Are they just, like, finding all the pinhead rockers now? Yes, yes. Hey, you want to do something for our game? Hey, we're not going to make a game for your band. No, he's gone to shows for years and years and years. He's had, he said in interviews, the only thing that's important to him is his guitar collection, is his pinball collection. So, yeah, he's, yeah. So what, are we going to get Metallica doing a solo in the next one now? Yeah!
    43:36
    Jody, Johnny, where are you? Where are you? We need your art back. Come on. Now I'm just picturing Elton John, but with a Metallica solo in it. Yes.
    43:48
    Well, you didn't have any Van Halen with Michael Jackson, so it's possible. That is true. What if the Steve Ritchie game was Van Halen instead? Oh, now we're there. Now, wait a second. Hold on. Now you have the – at the beginning of the game, you have a mode. Which mode do you choose? Van Halen or Van Hagar? I do Van Halen, yes.
    44:11
    Oh, man. Now, see, that one – We have guitar work by Splash, Mark Jumani, and – Jesus. No, you could just do – you could get Wolfgang. Yes, you could. Wolfgang Van Halen. Oh, man. That would be interesting. Now, that would be a great music rocket.
    44:30
    Yeah, that would be. Keep the high note. Keep on hitting the strats to make the high note higher. Yes.
    44:36
    That's fancy. It just goes up every switch hit by turning it up. Exactly. Sure. Okay. We're going to leave running from the devil there, and we're going to go to the latest for Multimorphic. What? There's another game out? Yes, another game. This is the one where you were talking about the code name was Project Carbon.
    44:57
    So the actual game is going to be called Final Resistance. And the music sounds like TNA. TNA 2.0 without being at TNA 2.0. Yes. Same style, but this time with ramps. Yes. With ramps. And you're going to save the world from aliens, it looks like. Man, so many space-related things. We've got alien and foo fires. We've got Alien here. We've got Gainson's face. Godfather's got a lot of aliens from other countries. No, they don't have any aliens. There should be like a little Easter egg in the mystery where it just pulls an alien out of a hat. Maybe aliens abducted Jimmy Hoffa or something. That's what happened. Yeah, this one, have you guys seen it yet? The video? No. Come on. I did. There you go. What do you think, Zach? I like the way that they're approaching the pinball aspect of it. They show the inserts on the screen at all times, you know? Mm-hmm. Instead of, like, multi-morphic, we just, like, do a little blinking, not even blinking, like an animated arrow that would show up over whatever you're doing when it's needed, so it's way easier to read what's going on in this game. As in the playfield screen. Yeah, the playfield screen. Yeah. I feel like it feels more pinball-y to do it that way. Oh, oh, oh. I was looking, like, it starts as a ramp, and then next to it, spinner. Next to it, scoop. and it has this big alien ship thing that fires balls at you. It kind of reminds me of the Megatron thing from Transformers. Although it does it slower, which whenever I see a thing that shoots balls at you, I just want it to go bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, you know, like even faster than Megatron. So you want hyper ball but pointed at you. Yeah, like you start multi-ball, you want the big build-up, and then just like throw it at me. Ooh, that would be interesting. If you could have different-sized balls on the play field and the game could put them in the right spot so the cannon comes around and starts firing hyper ball-sized balls at you.
    46:54
    It's like a coin sorter, but for pinballs at the out-hole. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That probably wouldn't be too hard. It would just, you'd do it via size. It'd be actually pretty easy, I would think. Because they do that in old pool tables, like the kind you've got to pay to play. They would have, like, the cue ball slightly different size than the other ball, So when you scratch, it gives you that ball back. But when you sink balls, you don't get them back because you have to pay to get the balls back to play another game. So I wouldn't think that would be hard. You see, make sure the ball is big enough not to fall in all the holes where the switch is growing stuff. Or make it a pinball about this game because there are no holes in those.
    47:31
    See, the game is going to have a timer between the flippers that's always there, just like Rick and Morty and TNA. And a timer on the upper play field. And an alphanumeric score displays in the back box at all times. And a spinner counter. You had me at spinner counter. I love him. You had me at spinner counter. Yeah, it looks interesting. Again, final resistance. Yeah, we're fighting aliens to save the Earth. And the music sounds like TNA. What did the aliens do to us? They're trying to take over the Earth. No!
    47:59
    Why can't we just live together in harmony? Yes. What if the aliens are ocean beings? We're just like, yeah, we've got some ocean. You can have that. Or they're like the aliens from science who die when water hits them. They go to a planet that's 80% water. That's pretty dumb When you think about it Dumb aliens Even dumber than the ones in World of Worlds Stupid aliens What, they didn't realize they would eventually die in our atmosphere? Yeah Didn't send a test pilot or anything To find that out? Well, they were desperate Their planet was dying, so they needed to leave So they went to a planet that killed them instead Yeah, sold So I don't have much more on that one Other than that, along with the other games we mentioned, they're all going to be at Texas Pinball Festival. There's going to be a ridiculous amount of games at Texas Pinball Festival. Then we've got another teaser trailer for another game. What?
    48:54
    One that's been rumored and that we've known is going to come out for a while. Pulp Fiction. Yep. Oh, yeah, that one. Pulp Fiction, built by Chicago Gaming, designed by Mark Ritchie.
    49:07
    We're going to talk about Tank Force. through Play Mechanics. You need a scorecard for this fucking thing.
    49:17
    Mark Ritchie at Play Mechanics, a subsidiary of Rothwells. So basically a Rothwells game made by Chicago Gaming Company. Is it made? I thought it was made by Rothwells. It's by Play Mechanics for their subsidiary. What's the manufacturing though? Chicago Gaming. See, that's not the impression I got. No, that's the – no, that's – they're building it. That's the impression. I'm in line with all of their Cactus Canyons. Yeah, that's the problem I'm having. Where are the Pucker and the Cactus Canyons? Well, they'll come out right after Pulp Fiction. Yeah, great. So you just wait some more and they take your money.
    49:55
    Guess what, guys? Finish or get close to being finished before releasing another game. Well, speaking of finished, I think Pulp Fiction has been finished for at least a year. Yes, it has. They could wait a little longer then. They could wait a little longer. Jumping onto the giant clusterfuck of every game in my life. I know, exactly. It's going to be a TPF. A TPF. Alone, we're going to have Foo Fighters, Bond 60th, Scooby-Doo, Godfather, Final Resistance, Pulp Fiction, supposedly, and Galactic Tank Force, maybe? Yes. They said March. They didn't. No, it is going to be there. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Now, I just got an announcement from Josh Sharp. He's canceled the TPF tournaments because he wants everyone to play Pulp Fiction.
    50:42
    That should be a line of Pulp Fiction. Yes, exactly. I don't think he can cancel the tournaments. He can remove the IFPA certification form. I'd be canceling it. I'd be canceling it because that's not what we're doing. So no one would show up and put this.
    50:56
    Yeah, and Pulp Fiction, since it's a single-level game, It becomes both an old game and a modern for two of your three games of the eras on your card. Yeah, there you go.
    51:06
    But nothing really much else on Pulp Fiction. No, this week I've heard. There's been like a grainy picture going around, and I know people who have played it, so. Yeah. Yeah, multiple people. Yeah. That's right, yeah. Then we have Galactic Tank Force. We finally get to see it, at least the cabinet. Yeah, not the important part. We see the cabinet, which is, it's a tank. It's really well built, like a Gottlieb? No, it looks like a tank. So it looks like a tank, but it's built badly. I don't know how, well, hopefully not. This has been rumored forever that the upper end model would actually look like a tank when you fold it down. I don't know why you would fold it down. Obviously, whenever you're not playing it, you're going to fold it down to get the dust off. Yeah. Are you going to fold the head down to show how cool it looks? Will it be motorized?
    51:58
    That would be cool, but I don't think it's motorized. It's just that when you get down, everybody goes, eh, eh, eh. The reason why I say this, if you look at the picture, what don't you see in that picture? The play field? No, no, no. Besides the play field, what don't you see in that picture with Dennis Norman? Dennis Nordman? Nordman. Okay, I'm looking at it right now. Okay, what don't you see in that picture that is on every other pinball machine? Yeah, I don't see the brackets that hold it to the – There you go. That hold the head to the cabinet. Yeah. I don't see that. Do other American games have that?
    52:34
    I think they do because I think you see it on Hot Wheels. Do they, though? Because they have a different cabinet. They do it on Hot Wheels. Actually, this is a different cabinet than Hot Wheels because it doesn't have the American, you know, weird swirly side. Yeah, plus look at the legs. Those legs are really weird, too. They probably can't split them out as much because they've got the treads. Yeah. Okay, so I bet you if it is real, it's going to be motorized. What do you mean if it is real? We're looking at it. We don't know. This could be like a teaser thing that fucks you all up. This is a video that came out from American Pinball where they're showing the cabinet. Well, Dennis Nordman is there. I want to show you what I've been working on, and it literally is the cabinet that looks like a tank.
    53:16
    So you think it's going to be motorized? Yes. Okay. Where it goes up and down. If that's the case, okay. I can see. Did you notice something else? You actually can see some of the play field. You can see some of it. Look at the shooter. It's on the right. Look at the shooter knob, the housing. Doesn't that look like a stern beehive? It is a stern beehive, yes. Wait, but they're using a stern beehive? Yeah. Really? There's a stern beehive. Oh, yeah, I see it in another picture. Wow. It's illuminated. The legs don't even, they're not even angled at the top. No. Some ankle iron. And there's holes down on the sides. I know. That's really weird. Okay, those... That's why I said... I don't know if this is a real mock-up. I think this is a fake mock-up just to make everyone go, what the fuck? But if it is real... It's 100% real, baby. I don't want Dave to fix it. I'm telling you, this is 100% the real deal, baby. We're going to space with tanks, baby. It's galactic tank force taking over your game room. Those lights are so bad. I know. They're really bad, aren't they? I can't believe they actually put that in a picture. I know. Oh. That's what I brought up. And then also no head brackets. It could just be sitting there. It could just be sitting there without the brackets on it. But guess what? There's not even holes. There's nothing.
    54:34
    Okay. I'm just saying, that's really weird, isn't it? But again, at TPF, Galactic Tank Force. I'm also just trying to picture, like, these treads. How do you set up the game? You put it on probably afterwards. Do you have to move the track separately, put them into place, screw them in as more steps, plug them in as even more steps every time you move the game? Yeah, probably. That just sounds awful. I know it does sound awful. Now they said this is just on the highest model. I'll just make it so it'll never be moved from its permanent spot. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you'd have to put that in the middle of the room, especially if it's motorized. Like, watch this. Then you can use your clapper to turn it on, you know, and then the head comes up. You know, you paid way more money, so we're going to get some angle iron. Hey, why doesn't this game stick out all further than the rest of yours? Well, it transforms. Wait for it.
    55:27
    That's what they should have done with Transformers, obviously. Of course. It makes it sound like a garage door opener.
    55:32
    So, yes, TPF, Foo Fighters, Bond 60, Scooby-Doo, Godfather, Final Resistance, Galactic Tank Force, Pulp Fiction.
    55:39
    Which one are you more excited to play? Do you think we have market saturation here? Oh, yeah. You think we have too many games? I go back to Gary Stern's quote. Can't have more than three or four companies. No. His original quote was, pinball cannot survive on more than one pinball company. Yeah, well, as long as it was his. Yeah, well, yeah. That was the key to that subject. When only Stern was there, that was his quote, that pinball cannot sustain more than one company. Now we have five, six. Yeah, ridiculous amount of companies. I mean, we're going to a show where we're going to have the most new games I think I can ever remember. Ever. I mean, even for the payday of the 70s or 80s or whatever, this would be a lot of new games. I mean, I feel like you should compare some of these manufacturers to the more minor manufacturers, too, though. Where's the game plan in the 70s? Game plan? You had the big three. You had Stern and Forth. You did have other manufacturers like Gameplan, Allied Leisure.
    56:47
    Obviously, Extern would be Gottlieb or Bally or whatever. It's been 40 years since we've seen this. There are a lot of smaller manufacturers that you just don't really think about at this point because they just made one or two games in smaller quantities and then disappeared. The real question is, which of these manufacturers will disappear first? Plus, there's rumors of Dutch having their next game eventually. So, it's just like... Let's just have a game. Pinball Brothers are releasing Queen, like, right now. Exactly. I mean, off the line. So, we have... Presumably, Haggis will have another game or finish their Mermaid run. Yeah. Oh, did you know? Spinal Tap. Going to full production. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. What? No, they're resuming production of Spinal Tap. They've fully trained up their assembly procedures, and they're cranking up production. Yes, soon all three games will be manufactured.
    57:43
    Dead silence. Yeah. This is from their own Facebook page. We expect two more new staff to start next week in addition to the new ones already on board. For four people.
    57:56
    That's our demand. One machine, we're done. The Taiwan government has helped us find good staff, and their help has exceeded my expectations. They don't get to leave for four weeks. We've almost finished the first machine. You guys don't get to leave until you finish these machines. Have we actually seen one of these in public anywhere yet? It's at the Pinball Hall of Fame. Okay, so it's one. One. Yep. One. Singular sensation. Sensation. Every little step it takes.
    58:28
    It's just going to be like the random Thunderbirds that they trotted around for years. There's actually only one that just shows up everywhere. Fair. We should actually put a thing up next time. Which company equals which company from the late 70s to now? As we stated Williams is Stern now Or maybe not Williams Maybe it Bally Depending on the year Yeah it depends on where you are in the 70s and stuff whether Gottlieb could be number one or Bally could be number one Bally is 79. Yeah, 79. Bally versus Stern, you know. Bally is Stern, equals Stern. And then number two would be. I got the impression that Bally, Stern, and Gottlieb all had pretty similar production quantities. Oh, they did. But I think they were still a little less on the Gottlieb. If you look at the System 1 numbers compared to a lot of 10,000 runs of those. Yeah, the System 1 numbers, they did good. But don't forget, you have 21,000 of eight ball. You have some 18,000s and 15,000s of a lot of early spallies. They were still the number one.
    59:37
    Stern is bally is what you're saying. What? Stern is bally. J.J.P. is Gottlieb? I can't even really say that. I think it's more Williams. Spooky as Williams?
    59:51
    Wow, this is hard. Yeah, I know. It doesn't really make sense. No. Maybe you just can't do it. I just don't think you have even put them in the class of Gottlieb. I think you put it towards, like, Stern. Stern is – The market is way too Stern right now to do any of those comparisons. Mm-hmm. No. Maybe you could do late 80s.
    60:12
    Williams was dominating, and then, like, you had Bally and Premier and distant second and third. Well, by 89, Bally's gone. Bally is Williams. Yeah. So how long until Stern buys Jersey Jack? You could do 1990, and we have Gottlieb, Williams, and Data East. So Stern is Williams. Not like the little companies. Jersey Jack is Data East. Yeah, Jersey Jack is Data East, and Spooky would have to be Gottlieb. That actually does fit. That does fit more. Okay, and then who is Alvin G? American Pinball, probably. Yeah, because they're trying to grow. They're trying to become the big... That's right, baby. We are Alvin G. We're making a new Myth Through Capital game. It's going to be incredible, baby. No, sorry. Spooky stole that one.
    60:53
    Oh. Twice. How many games have space in them? Let's see. Foo Fighters has space. Bond doesn't. I mean, if you look up in the sky in Bond, there's literally a rocket in Bond. Yes, there's a rocket. Oh, that's right. They're in space. That's right. I forgot about that. So, yeah, we got space. Space. Scooby-Doo? One of the villains is probably an alien, right? Maybe? Space alien? I don't know. Godfather? No, they're not in space. Final Resistance is in space. The moon does not exist. Galactic Tank Force is in space, I would assume. Pulp Fiction? Not in space. They might be spaced out from drugs or something. There you go, yeah. Yeah, there you go. They better have an adrenaline mode. Going back in time rush goes to space. That's true. Space has been a very popular theme in pinball for many years. I remember someone was joking, people were complaining about, you know, rock band pins again when people were saying about, they made a joke about, like, oh, no, not another pool theme in the 70s, you know, like, goddamn, cool it down with all the pool themes. We need to go back to card themes. Those are the big thing. Those are way better than pool themes. And then Valley releases, like, their fifth pool-themed game. Yeah. Pool Sharks. I don't know.
    62:08
    Let's see. What else do I got here? Tournaments. Yeah, we have a new champion. We should call this the Joe Cherovino Tournament segment because we know he loves tournaments.
    62:21
    Let's see. Well, first we had the what's called Mid-Atlantic Pinball Open at the Delaware Pinball Collective.
    62:31
    And Jason Zahler won that one with Matthew Richardson second and then Raymond Davidson third and Steve Batten fourth. So we had another final four where we had the two young guys and the two old guys. And the two young guys, one and two, and the two old guys, third and fourth, which I think has happened in every other instance.
    62:50
    It still feels so weird having Raymond be in the old guys category. Well, he's now 30. He's 30. He's old. He's done. If you, like, plotted them all on a graph, I'm pretty sure he's still on the left half of the graph. He's close to the middle. He's old. I'm just going to call him old. He's never been one of the tournament. Yeah, he's done. He's retired. He's making pinball machines now. It's okay. He had a good run. He did. He had a good run. Also, let's see. There was more. The women's champion was Kate Martin.
    63:23
    Hey. Yes. So, yes, Stephanie Trubb in second, Marianne Pangia in third, and Juana Summers in fourth. And they had one of those instances where they're doing the Papa-style finals, three games, 4-2-1-0 scoring, where a person has an 8 and the other person has a 4. So as long as the one person doesn't finish last and the person who's in second doesn't finish first, it's over. But then that happens. Yep. I've seen at least three times that that's happened. Yeah. And in all three times, the person who was second and caught up ended up winning it. Yep. Every time.
    64:06
    Let's see. What else? Then we have the Nationals are going on this weekend. Yes. Oh, they actually already happened. Now the Pinmasters is going on, but at District 82.
    64:17
    So the Nationals are all the state champions that were determined in January, all getting together to face off for ultimate supremacy.
    64:26
    No build-up there? Anyone like, yay? Nothing? No excitement? Yay! Okay. I thought we lost a connection there. Yay. So the winner was Raymond Davidson. Wow. The young kid's winning again. He beat Ezra Levkoff in the finals, four games to one. Yes. He found some, John. I think that's one of the first times I can remember him beating Ezra. Yeah. So he is the overall national champion of the world. He should get a belt. No, he got a game. I know, he got a game. He gets a new Stern Pro. Would we rather have that or a belt at this point? I think you'd love a belt, like you'd go on a plane. It's a lot easier to bring on, you know.
    65:12
    Well, he got a big-ass trophy. He did. And he drove there, so he doesn't have to bring that on a plane. Yes, he does. I agree. And now, as we speak, they're playing the finals of the Pinmasters. Yes, they are. Where is he going to put his game in his apartment? I think he should donate it to the RPC. And we can put a sign above it, donated by Raymond Davidson. That's a good idea. Where are we going to put it, Bruce? I'll take out a game I'll take out hotdogging No not hotdogging How many games do you guys have there at RPC?
    65:42
    49 and a half How do you have a half of a game? I've cleaned the Rotation 8 I'm going to clean it again and then we're going to put it back together And make the base and put it on the floor And rebuild all the mechs And fix the non-working ones Yeah wait a minute it needs to be cleaned twice Oh this thing was disgusting It's so disgusting, it needs to be cleaned multiple times. Oh, my God. This was pretty bad. Okay. The rag was black. It was blacker than black. I was like, oh, my God. I texted Zach yesterday. I'm like, it's clean for the first time. But we need another project that hasn't been cleaned yet. Yeah. No, I cleaned the hot tip yesterday. I did hot tip. It was bad. The tip that's hot. I'm pretty sure that was dirty when it went on the floor. No. I cleaned it all new. The rubbers are already falling apart. All right, repairs. What did you guys do at RPC? I got them from PBR.
    66:37
    Yeah, no. Not even once. Repairs? We don't do any repairs. We just let them all break down. Yep. Wow, why would I go to RPC then? I don't know. No, well, I did play with horseshoe targets yesterday.
    66:53
    They fucking suck, but I got them better. They were hanging up, dropping, so I had to bend them a little bit. But, of course, then you bend too much, then they don't react. Yep. Wait a minute, wait a minute. What game do you have that is horseshoe targets? Hot tip.
    67:06
    Oh. Wait a minute, that's on the floor? It's not on the floor. Wow, if only someone had been to RPC. Yeah, I don't remember that one. Oh, practice. I'm sorry. Maybe Ron will come out in two weeks for the next tournament at RPC. Two weeks? Not three weeks. Three weeks. You mean the April Fool's one? April Fool's. Zach, tell us all about it. There's not actually going to be a tournament. We just can't get Ron to show up. April Fool's. That would be funny. There is no tournament. We're actually close today, Ron. Yes. You know what we should do? If it's April Fool's, we should go as other. I should go as Zach. Zach should go as Bruce. So it can be really loud.
    67:46
    No, I can't see that. I think that would be like a Halloween thing. But it's April Fool's because you're trying to be. It's April Fool's. You're fooling people. Yes. April Fool's, we're going to have a bucket of water over the door for every single person that walks in. A bucket of confetti. Now, that would clean it up. The water is soaking to the carpet. No. In my elementary school, they had two teachers per grade. So April Fool's, they would swap. Oh, my. So you would get the other teacher.
    68:10
    Husband and wife were happy then. What the? Stop. April Fool's, we're going to turn all the ball states on to max and close the outlanes. Yes. The never-ending tournament. We're going to put rubber bands between the flipper rubbers so you can't train out. We're going to rewire all the flippers so they're reversed. Yeah, I like that idea.
    68:32
    So what's going on with the tournament? This is April 1st. Zach, it's all you. It's a target match play with finals.
    68:39
    Explain better, Zach. You played them, right? Haven't you, Ron? So is it the deal where there is a set number of rounds? No, there's a set number of victories. Yeah, set number of points. And whoever gets to that total first is the winner. Except we have finals, so you're the top seed.
    68:57
    So, yeah, there's the finals component. Okay. So the first, like, 8 or 12 that get to the target will be our finals group. And what's the scoring? I don't know. 4-2-1-0, 3-2-1-0. Something even, probably. Okay. And what are you playing to? Probably, like, 30 or 40.
    69:16
    I like. We have the details all ironed out. This is good. I mean, yeah. I don't know. It's hard to calculate this number because you don't really know how to do it. But there's a tournament. Big tournament. There's pinball on April 1st at RPC. It's so big we don't have all the details yet, but yes. Ron will be there. Ask for an autograph. Yep. I've got to be there to at least try out that new HDMI receiver transmitter thing that's supposed to go through walls. The stream will work. Hey, it worked pretty good last time. It worked better than some other tournaments recently. Yes, it's worked progressively better each time, so maybe once we'll actually have it where it works for every game. That would be very nice. Well, at least one camera will work in every game. Yeah, yeah. The important one, the player cam. The player cam. No, no, the playfield cam. Zach hates the player cam. He wishes it was off. I actually put an extra wall in just to block that one.
    70:12
    What else? Oh, there's another tournament you wanted to talk about, Bruce. Yes, we now are approved, so now we're going to talk about Stomp. We're approved. We are approved from IFPA. So now on May 19th, the day before Stomp West, we're going to have a three-strikes tournament. It's $30 to enter, and that includes entry. If you want to go into both tournaments, Stomp will be $50 and $30. If you pre-register, it's only $75. So you save $5, and you guarantee your spot because you're going to have a limited amount of people being able to come to this. How many numbers? 64.
    70:54
    64? That's so small. I know it is, but we can handle it at RPC. We're going to have so many Whoppers for 64 people. Yes, 64 people. And so many pinball machines. And some that we can work. So we're going to open up. I'm going to put the Facebook page up either next day or two. Pre-buying will be... Pre-buying. Pre-buying will be on. Hold on. I've got to get my calendar up so I can tell you exactly. It will be Saturday the 18th at 9 a.m. EST, Ron? EDT. Just say ET. Phone home.
    71:31
    Actually, let's do a 10 o'clock ET. 10 o'clock. It will be 10 a.m. March 18th. 10 a.m. March 18th for the pre-whatever. Saturday. Yes. Saturday. 64 people. We're done. I will be there. Yes. And unlike regular stomp, Bruce won't expand the field even further. Nope. It will be maxed. We're maxed. I probably won't play, though. I'll just run the stream.
    71:59
    Boo. What? You guys, we're going to shame Ron into playing because it's not his house. It's okay. It's not his house.
    72:05
    Not his house. It's no one's house. It's play, play, play. It's the house you guys built. Yeah. What did we say, 12 rounds, Bruce? Yes. It's 12 rounds with three errors for all four errors. You're going to do three games of each era, which will be EM, solid state, DMD-ish. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, three games? I'm already confused. What do the rounds look like? There's 12 rounds each. 12 rounds. Four eras, three each. You'll play three EMs, three solid states, three DMDs, three moderns. So it's one game per round. Yes. Not two games per round like last time? No. Okay. We have four eras, not two. Lots of pinball.
    72:53
    The finals afterwards, we'll be on stomp. The doors open at 12 on Saturday. We start at 1 for the three strikes. I think it's a 5.30. Five we open, I think it's either 5.30 or 6, we're going to say, we start on the Friday. Details to be solidified as we get closer to the date. Yes. But we encourage people. There's a lot of nice hotels around there. We want you to come out and enjoy.
    73:22
    And don't forget, in June at RPC, we have our first women's tournament. But we don't. But we are hosting.
    73:31
    Any more info? I don't know. So let's get Steph on, I think, in the next month. The date was June 24th? 24th.
    73:41
    Yeah, Steph, give us details. June 24th. I think there is a page on RPC for it starting. But Stomp is there. Next Saturday is the registration. All the information will be on the Slam Tilt Facebook page. And then it will also be carried over to the RPC Facebook page. So look up either one. I'm going to be plugging the show on all the other things, so we'll hopefully fill this bitch up. Free parking. Lots of parking, too. You don't even need to walk or anything. You don't even have to walk or anything. Let's see if we have enough parking for everybody. We might have a Taco Bell. Not yet. Damn it. That'll be next year, Taco Bell.
    74:20
    Yo quiero Taco Bell. We're going to have a Taco Bell, though, Rod. Viva Tortillas. Did you know that? Yep. Within walking distance. You can make bad decisions repeatedly throughout the night. Yeah, that is a bad decision. We just think when we do 24 hours, eventually, you can go to Taco Bell at 3 in the morning.
    74:39
    And kill your co-players. players. We'll be running the AC with lots of fans during that event. It's already too cold in there.
    74:49
    Actually, it's been pretty warm lately, so we can't turn the AC on yet. Yeah, I can't turn it on. We have swamp. This is your last chance, Ron, to play turn before the AC turns on.
    74:59
    Make your best use of it. Take first. But other repairs or new games. Quotation 8. You've gotten a newer game. I have. You got a great El Toro. That's older. Yeah, but we didn't mention that on the show. Yeah. I don't think. I don't think we've mentioned it. You got El Toro. I know everyone's going, what? It's not that one. It's not that El Toro. It's the better El Toro. It's Williams El Toro. Not the valley. Who is the designer of this one, I wonder? Harry had left it at that point, right? Yes. Steve Kordek okay it's got flippers it's got drop targets it's got a score reel in the play field instead of a go to target it won't be at RPC probably but yeah fail you can phone me on Thursday or Sunday and I'll let you play it at my house there you go and Bruce there's not one of them anywhere in the world on location just like Tordor No, they're in Torridor at the Pinball Hall of Fame. It's right next to Spinal Tap. Oh, wow.
    76:11
    Wait, it is? No. Jesus. I didn't know that either. I was like, oh, really? That's a joke. Bruce got another game. It's a joke. Oh, Bruce, you got another game. You better hurry, hurry, hurry to tell us what it is. I'm going to because it's now off my list. Split second. It's off your list in that you've played it and already determined it sucks and you're going to sell it. No.
    76:33
    I haven't even played it. Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. They need some work. Need some work, but we'll get it all hunky-dory. It's the classic Stern circus theme. Wide body, four flip. Four flippers? Three? No, it's four. There's two up top. There's two up top? There's two up top. Oh, yeah, I got the really weird one. The mini. Way too high up. Yeah, the mini one. That upper plate is weird. It is, but it's big.
    77:00
    Should have been a split level. It's by the man. Harry Williams. Yes, it is. Is this before or after Cheetah? After. Okay, so this was during the decline period.
    77:11
    Yes. Cabinet was really clean, though, but got a lot of hacks on the Transformer board. Did Harry Williams do all of their wide bodies? He didn't do Iron Maiden. What's Lightning? I don't think he did. That's not a wide body. It's not a wide body. It's a normal body.
    77:30
    Yeah, Big Game. No, he didn't do Flight 2000. Yes, he did. No, he didn't. Come on, that's all. I've heard this so many times now. I was just telling you. Harry Williams didn't do Flight 2000. He ripped off the design from Steve Kirk. No, because if he ripped off Steve Kirk, it would be good.
    77:48
    Oh, snap. You mean the second highest-selling Stern game ever was not good? It's not that good. It's okay. Wow. It's a gimmick. Yes. It's a cool gimmick, though. Just like Viper is a cool gimmick. But it does make a higher section of the playfield unplayable. Just like Viper. And just like split second. And just like free fall.
    78:11
    Free fall is on the side, at least. Oh, yeah, free fall. Harry Williams did that one, too. So, yeah, I think he did all the white bodies except Iron Maiden. Free fall is basically just play 2,000, but we replaced the ball walkover playfield. Oh, and Orbiter won. Yeah, he didn't do that one. No, he didn't. That's not a real pinball. Wow. They sold how many of those? 3,000? Somehow. I know. There's a ton of them. There's always a ton of them. So I got something new. Ron, did you get anything new or any repairs lately? I lost a millions digit in my Stargazer. All of them or just one? All of them. Bad connector. Yeah. Yeah, already fixed. That was fun. That was it. Oh, and then I got a text from John Claussen. Hey, Bruce, I have a stars problem. Like, uh-oh, what's going on? He's like, I keep on blowing the F2 fuse on my Transformer.
    79:04
    Which one's that one, Zach? Wait, on the Transformer? Wait a minute, on the Transformer? Do you mean on the Rex Fireboard? Rex Fireboard, F2. That's what I considered because it's the same. On that game, it's mounted right to it almost. The F2 fuse is?
    79:18
    Lights? Nope. Sound? No. Let there be rock. It's the displays. Oh. So disconnect all the displays. So I have to disconnect the displays. It still won't boot. I'm like, let's start checking some voltage. It'll boot. No, it won't boot. The reason why? His driver board went all funky. He had 5.6 volts. Okay, so there's other issues here. Yes, exactly. I was like, it all happened at once because he got his cabinet back. Here's the back story. He got his cabinet redone. This is Dr. John of Australia. by the way. I said, right.
    80:02
    And he's like, yeah, I got my cabinet back. It looks beautiful. And he showed me a picture. I'm like, wow, that frigging does look awesome. I put it all back together and it don't work. Like, let's start disconnecting stuff and see what happens. And finally I'm like, let's test some test points. And the bottom test points were good. Are the transformer test points, you know, to the rectifier board. We're all good. We went further on. It was 5.6 on the five volts. It luckily had a, not a Weebly, but he had an all tech in there. and it was doing the overcharge, the overvoltage. I was like, well, at least it saved it. For those at home, five volts is what you want. Yeah, it's not 5.6. It's 5.1 max. Yeah. I said, you have another valley there? He's like, I have a Harlem. Swap the driver board and see what happens. And then it got back to me. Thanks, John.
    80:51
    Thank you for the story with no endings. Fail. What a terrible story. I'm just telling you what happened. That was horrible. Why even say that then? Because he had problems with the stars.
    81:03
    You could have waited until the end of the story. What? In like two months? Yeah, when did this happen? I forgot all of it. It happened this week. It happened two days ago. Exactly. He's busy. He's a doctor.
    81:16
    It's the freaking weekend, mate. None of those convicts down there. No one gets sick on the weekends, Ron. Duh. Roy! So, yeah, he called me. That was funny. It felt like Ryan C. once in a while, you know, how he always used to contact me. Hey, what's going on with this? You know, Australians, they all sound the same. I love them. You know what? I also love Bruce.
    81:38
    The male ball back. No reaction? No. This is the new Bruce. This is the 200, a mature Bruce. Yeah, this is season two. Yeah. The new Bruce sucks. I want more Bruce. Just put in the sound from me doing it from. Just go. Oh, there you go. This is season two now. We need a soundboard, Ron. Yes, we do need a soundboard. A soundboard. We can steal the soundboard from Super Awesome since they shut down. Ooh. Just mail the button package over to us and we'll hit the sound button. The sound button. Yeah, the soundboard. Not only did Bruce negotiate for host instead of co-host in his most recent contract, but he also negotiated for more vocal protections.
    82:20
    Vocal protections? Vocal cords are really getting maxed out. Oh, they're getting strained, yes. Yes, yes. And now we're going to replace it with just recordings of old episodes. Whatever. I am getting old. That is true. Very old. Did you know at the Texas Pinball Festival, after the Twippies, they're going to have karaoke? Glenn. Glenn was taking care of that. But, yeah. I'm going to miss that, too. But when you get that award this weekend or two weeks from now, Ron, it'll all be better. What award am I getting? Best Podcast. Yeah, that's not happening. What? You're saying it's fixed? I'm saying I'm not getting it. It was an Ivy Award when they presented it. They'll be like, my partner Bruce, my host that's not a co-host is not here.
    83:06
    I can't accept without him. Wait a minute, Zach, you're not going to be there either. No. You're not going to be able to sing in the karaoke. No, I'll just have to listen to the recordings of you winning the karaoke that eventually get up online. Oh, God. Yeah, I'm sure that'll get up online. What would I even sing? I don't even know. Ball bag. Okie dokie. Ready. And go.
    83:29
    This is a pretty full ball bag. There we go. All right. It's just instinct at that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is from Jonathan. Hello, Ron and Bruce. Hello, Jonathan. It's funny to say hello, Ron and Bruce and Zach. Like, how did he know? How did he know? My name is, I wonder if he wants us to read this. I'll leave out the last name. My name is Jonathan. Hi, Jonathan. From Georgia. I am following Pinball Mayhem with Jeremy Agama.
    84:00
    Oh, yeah, I know that guy. For a couple years now, I saw on his Facebook post that you had 200 podcasts for your show now. Congratulations.
    84:09
    I am a brand new listener. Oh, God, I'm so sorry. I just started your podcast today. I was able to finish the first two episodes back and forth to work today. I just wanted to say that you guys are great. Oh, thank God. Thank you. That was a close one. And I am thoroughly enjoying the talks so far, especially that sack guy. Actually, it doesn't say that.
    84:31
    Spoiler alert. I really like you talking through the pins that you have, your repairs, the eBay experience. And the tournaments. Let's see. It doesn't say tournaments. And the tournaments.
    84:42
    I also like when you talk about the pinball machines that you liked and disliked in the Lyman Sheets pinball tournament you played against it. Oh, he's really gone back. He's really gone back. I miss those segments. I do, too. Especially when we used to do Game You Like, Game You Hate, and you couldn't have the Game You Like in your collection. Yes. I really could talk pinball all day, and this is like heaven to me while I'm driving today. You guys made me laugh many times so far, and I appreciate that. He has sick and demented humor. I love this guy already. Well, it's the odds. I think I see why he likes repairs. I am an electrician slash mechanic by trade on large stamping presses. He has large stamping presses with robots that manufacture automotive parts. He could make the legs for American Pinball. Yeah, that's that. I have a few pinball machines. That's not funny, baby. You've got to apologize for that. That's a mock-up, baby. That's not the final product. I have a few pinball machines in my basement, some Bally and Williams ones. I enjoy working on them through the years and learning the schematics with new boards and such that you have mentioned from Alltech, et cetera. I just wanted to say thanks. and to say that you guys are great. I will be listening to each one as I drive to work now. You guys really know how to keep me interested, and I'm excited to finish all 200. Man, how many drives to work would it take to get? Well, he did two in one, so that's about 100. Yeah, about 100 days, so in about a little over three months, he should be all caught up. We'll check back in July and see how it goes. Yeah. I have a few videos of my Pinbot, Electra, Gateway, Gateway? Getaway, et cetera, that I put on, man. There's not even a week today? No, no, you guys keep calling it Gateway, and that's in my head now for some reason. That's like World Cup soccer is doggy soccer that I put on Facebook for daughters and grandkids to enjoy. Jesus. Check it out if you want. Yes, his Facebook page is the Pinball Arcade Wizard.
    86:34
    Keep up the good work. Sincerely, Jonathan. Thank you, Jonathan. Thank you for joining this madness. Now this next email. I didn't think you would read that. I am now pissed at you. You fuckers.
    86:46
    Let's see. Next email we have from Bill. Ron. No, Bruce. Here's host. I am the host, yes. Ron, I'm a new listener, somewhat new to collecting pinball machines. Don't let Bruce give you a hard time about your other podcasts and plugging it in each episode. What podcast is that, Ron? What podcast is that? That would be the Silver Ball Chronicles, which is on the Pinball Network. New episode coming soon. We recorded last weekend, and he is editing.
    87:21
    Thank God I don't have to edit. Editing sucks. That's why you don't edit this one, right? Exactly. I got to edit this one. Damn it. You even leave in those parts earlier where you said this is an edit, because then we talk about the secret stuff we can't talk about. Yeah. Did we do that? I don't think so. No, we didn't do that. Oh, it's a gimmick. I'm sorry. We would never talk about things we can't talk about. Come on. At least not with the record button on. I started to listen to Silver Ball Chronicles on a recommendation from a guy that I bought a pinball from in South Carolina on a road trip back to Nevada. Oh, jeez. Right. Now you just beat my record. Yeah. Great show. Once I caught up on Chronicles, I started listening to the Slam Tilt Podcast. See? My advertising there. That's one. I've listened to about 50 past episodes so far. Holy shit. This seems to give you a hard time that you don't advertise Slam Chilled enough on Chronicles. Am I right though But you always walk him into advertising for RPC his side gig If it wasn for Silver Ball Chronicles I would never have heard about Slamtail Both are great entertainment while driving cross Thanks for both. Hope to meet you guys at TPF this year. You'll be looking for Ron. And if you see Ron, don't forget to joke with that one. Give him a big hug. Don't, don't, don't hug me, no. Don't forget to joke. Wink, wink, wink, wink.
    88:40
    Wow, we got two people. Two new members. Yeah. Next email from Anthony. Okay. Hi, Anthony. Hello, Ron and Bruce, co-host. Wow.
    88:53
    First, thank you both for a wonderful show. I discovered Swampville Podcast about two months ago. I'm not a new listener, and I have a three-hour round-trip commute to Manhattan from Poughkeepsie every day. Oh, fuck. That sucks. Ouch. I made it through every episode in two months. Holy shit. I loved all the bits, especially Face Off. Would you buy that and Game I Love Hate? Man, Face Off. Which one was that? Was that the one where we had to sell the game? No, that was. No, we had to sell the game to each other. Games from an era and you had to put them head to head? Yes. Yeah, and sell them. And then you had a rebuttal period. Yeah. They had to get Jews. Yep. Yeah, I kind of missed that. You say why the game is so awesome, then you say why your opponent's game sucks horribly. I became a member of the Orange County Pinball Club about a year ago and played mostly at the world-famous Rock Fantasy. Thanks, man, for coming in and doing my thing. I was surprised to find out you guys are technically local to me and speak of people I know and play with. Your healer impressions kill me every time.
    89:58
    There you go, Bruce. This made the podcast a little more personalized, and it became my favorite of all Pinball Arcade podcasts. Fuck yeah.
    90:09
    World famous. One request I have, if I may. Okay. I have been playing competitively for about a year now and would be fascinated in hearing your techniques on pinball playing. Nudging is the one skill I feel needs work, and I am interested in what you guys do to up your skill levels. Well, when I go to my place and I play. Stop.
    90:35
    So what have you done to up your level? Well, Bruce is retired, so he's not really upping his level.
    90:42
    How about you, Zach? You're the best player here. I don't practice pinball or play at home at all. Okay, hold on. Wow. We're not helping here. Zach, where was the state finals for New York State this year? Rock Fantasy. Okay. And how did you do at Rock Fantasy this year? Just as good as every other upstater.
    91:03
    What was your record there? Uh, shit Yeah His record was 0-8 somehow I don't think that's possible, Ron I lost so bad, it doubled my loss It doubled your losses Um, well What could he do?
    91:20
    Nudging Okay, play EMs Buy some 60s and 50s EMs There you go Without tilting them to end the game Buy a Williams El Toro That is a nudging game, holy shit That's how Zach has such awesome nudging skills, because he's just buying all these really old EMs. Let's see, what else?
    91:42
    Don't take it too seriously. Let's see, play stupid like I do. I don't really pay attention to anything, and I just say, who am I playing, and when did we start? That's all I ask. Yeah, learn the rules, too. Yeah, try to learn the rules. That doesn't always work for me, but... No, just don't train. That will be good. Well, that goes to the nudging. Yeah. and they're not missing. Ron and Thanksford in both rows. There are players for Orange County in the Orange County Club that... Yeah, there's some notable nudgers over there. Yeah, they don't know any of the rules for a lot of the newer games, and they still win everything because they just will not let the ball drain.
    92:20
    Feel free to ask them about their nudging techniques because they're some of the best nudgers I've ever seen, actually, in the Orange County Club. Or feel free to come to RPC for Pinball 101. Yeah. Ask for a tip. Wait a minute. You're teaching classes there? We're going to do another Pinball 101 class. Wow. At the world-famous Rochester Pinball Collection. Where is that, Ron? No, I'm asking you where it is. Me? Yes. And he asked me last time. That's how that went. Is it 349? Mm-hmm. 349 West Commercial Street, East Rochester. I don't know the suite number. Sorry. Oh, my God. These people are going to be going around three floors of a building, not knowing where to go. What's the website, Ron? Wait a minute. You guys have a website? Yeah. I thought it was just a Facebook page you pointed out. No, we have an entire website. We have an entire website. How to get to us. Oh, is it ROCPinball.com? It is. Or Rochester Pinball. Yeah, but that's too long. Yeah, that's way too long. No one knows how to spell Rochester. Come on. That is true. Yeah. Let's see. Well, thank you, sir. Thank you for that. He says, I own six pins. He wants us to rate his lineup. Uh-oh. Okay, here we go. We'll read them all. Haunted House Pinbot with the Pembot ROM What is that? That must be a re-imagining Yeah, a new board set, a new thing, yeah, go ahead A T2 Three Okay, rating out of what? Ten? Six Oh, six Oh, positions, I got it A Tales from the Crypt Four Black Knight 2000 Shit. Seven.
    94:03
    Wow. I didn't plan for this. And is Stern Turtles Pro? Two. No. Okay, that's six. I've owned two of them. Okay, I got my order. Okay, what's your order? First, Black Knight 2000.
    94:24
    The music keeps me coming back. We're starting from the bottom, right? No, we're not. Oh. Two, Tales from the Crypt. Can't get enough of the Crypt Keeper. Go ahead, Ron.
    94:34
    Wait, wait, go ahead. You said you had it. I know, Crypt Keeper. Come on, go. Oh, what, I have a bone to pick with you? Yes, where's your voices, you douche? Oh, wow. They're on the soundboard, guys. Hit the seven button.
    94:50
    Tales from the Crypt. There we go, thank you. I have a bone to pick with you. Fuck you, Bruce. You're going to kick my ass. You should have done it in a Stewie voice that you got the wrong button. Yeah. Yes, that's right. You hit the wrong button, you bitch.
    95:05
    Three for T2. Four, Pinbot. Five, Haunted House. Turtles Pro, six. Really? I hate Turtles Pro. The scoring is just so terrible. Bruce, you're talking about Haunted House here. No, Haunted House, at least you can have some fun with that game a little bit. pro turtles you do not have fun with. That's my picks.
    95:30
    Go ahead, Zach. The thing is, as you get better, Anthony, you will probably start to tire Blackmat 2000. Oh, you know, I'm just saying, but rating the games. I'll put T2 at the top. Okay. Then turtles.
    95:47
    Then Tales from the Crypt. Pinbot. Haunted House. and then just going and lying in a gutter at six. Black and pay. Okay. Wow. I've enjoyed new people coming to RPC and liking Black Eyed 2000, and then I point out the problems, and then they come back and I'm like, yeah, you were right, this sucks. It's great just ruining it over and over and over. Zach, ruining games for everyone. Thank you. Since 19.
    96:15
    Since 2000, whatever. Ruining games for everyone. He's gotten people to hate the one you're selling. The dialed in. Yep. I thought that's not sold yet. I have to admit. Okay, let's see. One, I forgot you to buy Star Wars, so. That is true. And that's bad taste. I just, I win at that constantly because nobody knows how to play the game and everyone hates it. I need to go to RPC again before I just start choosing every tournament.
    96:43
    Let's see. First, CT2. Second, Tales from the Crypt. I love Tales from the Crypt. Third, Pinbot. I don't mind Pinbot.
    96:57
    Let's see. Fourth, Turtles. Fifth, Black Knight 2000. And sixth, Haunted House. Wow, Haunted House on the bottom. Yeah. Talk about a game with a lot of flippers.
    97:10
    Let's see. It continues. I got started in pinball with Vigra Pinball and MAME, just like me. Built my own life-size pinball cabinet, and it currently has over 500 pins on it. But I digress. Thanks again for a fun show. I love Tech Talk, Tourney Talk, and I'm looking forward to another 200. Yay, tournaments. Game I love. He's got Diner. Game I hate, Centalorian. I mean, Mandalorian.
    97:38
    Thanks for reading this long email. This is not a long email. No, we're used to the print ball, Princess.
    97:44
    Let's see. Oh, we got some Albany history here. This is from Justin. Hi, Justin. He says, ha ha, Ron, the idea of you running up the Corning Tower is hilarious. That thing is 42 stories tall, one for each year that lunatic was in office. He's talking about Mayor Erastus Corning. The problem is the building was finished in the 70s, and Corning was mayor until the 80s. So I think that was a coincidence.
    98:14
    See, what the heck is wrong with the stairmaster? Mayor Erastus Corning of Albany, New York You know, most people don't know this about the guy But the man literally kept a collection of penis bones inside his desk He knew how to make a bathtub gin And he believed in UFOs, Nessie and Champ is like the Loch Ness Monster Isn't that Nessie? It's like, it's for Le Champlain Oh There was like a Loch Ness Monster Yeah, Loch Ness Monster Yes He literally wanted to secure state funding for locating and protecting of Lake Champlain's very own sea monster. And he actually believed that one day the capital region would be covered in self-driving cars, monorails, and conveyor belt sidewalks. So he thought it was going to be the Jetsons. I was thinking the same thing. He was thinking he must have sold the Jetsons. That's totally going to be Albany. I could do some monorails. I like that. Yeah. He was the used environmentalist back in the day that loved to chop up the pine bush for profit. What? And like most environmentalists, he accomplished nothing, virtually nothing for the environment or the great city of Albany. Oh, and FYI, he was arrested for drunk driving on Osborne Road in Colony. So how about that?
    99:25
    Well, he spelled Osborne Road wrong. Fake. Fake Canadian. Is this fake? Fake news? Oh, yeah, is it O-S-B-O-U-R-N-E?
    99:36
    It's actually O-S-B-O-R-N-E. He's from Europe instead. Ah, he's Canadian, maybe. I'm not a true Canadian.
    99:44
    See, why don't you just get a bike and ride the rail trail? Wow. People are getting on me for the stair climbing thing. See? I am a huge pinball history fan and fan of local and upstate history. So if you ever have any interesting trivia or antidotes to send my way, please do. Like, where the hell did people ever play pinball in this area before Excelsior Tavern and the poorly named The Local? Oh, Ron's house. Yeah, Ron's house. That's it. Pretty much, yeah. And other people have asked this. Why do they take away Godzilla from that place? I don't know. I'm heading for the Strong Museum in Rochester and the Rochester Pinball Collective in a month. As well, so Rochester trivia is appreciated, too. Justin, local pinball writer and upstate history enthusiast. Well, don't forget Rochester is world famous for having the only subway system functional and taking it down in the world.
    100:39
    Yeah. Wait a minute. So the subway system isn't functional in New York City, the one they use every day? No, no, no. We had one in Rochester, and we took it down. They just boarded it up, I think. No, no. They actually took it down because 490 was part of the rail system. I thought some of the tunnels still existed and stuff. There's only one, and that's underneath, and it's all – it's concreted on one side, which is the west side. The east side you can still get into. Yeah. So, like, convenience? Fuck that. Yeah, why did you guys tear it down? Because they thought they wanted the 490. They were using that for the thruway and the part of the thruway to get to Rochester from the thruway. So that's how they used it. So in 57, when the thruway was being built, they made the two arches from east and west to get into Rochester from the thruway.
    101:32
    All right. Next one is from Tom. We read Tom's email last week, or two weeks ago. He was the one, he had the questions about Rush. Has Stern abandoned Rush? Maybe. Hasn't done much lately. Just listened to episode 201. Thanks for reading my email during the ball bag. I'm glad you guys felt the same way I do about Stern's attitude on Rush.
    101:55
    You mentioned about me coming on the show sometime. Don't threaten me with a good time. Oh, my. I would love to just add me to the list. All right. We've got two now. We have not forgotten the first guy. No, we have not forgotten. But we have something coming up that's big. Big? Big. All right, next email we got from Scott. Hi, Scott. Our Scott. Holy shit. The best Scott. And he says, countdown repro play fields look to be a reality. Wow. From Wade Krause. See pin side thread. Oh, I didn't even know about this. Let's go look right now. And I did. And yes, this seemed to be a reality. So the more people who want them... I've heard that Shea is being a list for the back last two. Yes. I think it's a reality as far as he can do it, but he wants to get, you know, as many people that want one as possible. Capcom doesn't seem like the best thing to do a replay field swap on. I think it's pretty good. Well, no, they wear a pop and they wear the insert middles. But, like, normal wear for any game of that period. And while you're looking at that, last mail in the ball bag. It's there somewhere. Just listening to episode. This is from William from earlier. Hi, William. Just listening to episode 201. I have a name for Bruce. How about my future ex-co-host Bruce? There you go. Wow. One guy wants four play fields. Holy shit. Oh, wow. That's disgusting. What's disgusting? There's a guy that has a cracked play field on his. I was like, what? Oh, cracked on the slide. It's split. But there's no pictures. It's like they even give you a picture like, hey, look, we got one pre, you know, pre-done. Pre-done. You went to pre. So I'm going, I think I'm done with my list. Pre-lube. Well, I do have game you like, game you hate. We have a guest. Hey, Zach. What? What do you like, what do you hate?
    103:52
    You can't own the game. Game I like that I don't own. Because everyone says you hate everything. I mean, I own 70 pinball machines. I don't hate any of them. But the ones you don't own. Yeah, but I mean, obviously I don't hate everything. I only hate everything. What's on your list? I don't know. Just people, when they hear you talk, they hear all the hate, and they just think you hate everything. Even more than me.
    104:14
    Let's see. Yeah, even more than Bruce. Yeah, you are like the king hater. The first time we had Zach on, I think everyone thought he was like this 60-year-old man who just collected EMs and hates everything. I hate everything, you bastards. I like majorettes. Majorettes. Okay. I want a majorettes. Okay. I can't afford one, but I want one. Here you go. Game you hate that you actually owned. Ah.
    104:43
    Game I hate that I owned. There had to be something you fixed up and were like, oh, man, this is suck. What was I thinking? Stigma. Okay. I can agree with that one. Even with the modified bomb that Distraged 2 has.
    104:55
    Do they have it? I thought I saw it toggling between 2x and 5x. No, no, that's Wildfire. Oh, sorry. Stingray is the one with the hole with the 55k. Yeah, it's the same rules. It's completely random, but now they have one where it's in order. So you have to work your way 55, but it's still a hole. You can't shoot. It's not on one side of the damn play field, and the drop target's worth nothing. If you're lucky, it falls into it. Yeah. Yeah, watching the tournament at District 82 this weekend, The strikes and spares isn't that good. It's never been good. Never been good. I mean, the whole right side where you're hitting it up into the saucer that just rejects most of the time. Blows right past it. You got the center lane that seems like the hardest center lane ever to get, and you just hit the spinner a zillion times and never score anything. Sneaky games I hate. Supersonic.
    105:48
    Oh, Supersonic? I like Supersonic. I hate Supersonic. Well, no, listen to this. I hate playing in a tournament. I don't mind playing it for fun. Like, yeah, okay, this is fun. As soon as you're in the tournament, it's just scoop. Not scoop. It's just, you know, the kick out. Spinner. And you need the center lane. You need to hit center lane and the spinner. That's it. Yep. The center lane, which is way higher than other lanes, just to, like, give you an extra fuck. Yeah.
    106:11
    I watched matches where guys were getting that all, every ball. They were plunging it. But, like, from the spinner, if you miss the corner, you get complete luck of whether it bounces in. Yeah. From the spin hit. So you either get that plunge or you're just fucked. Yeah, I agree with that. Maybe it's just because I like to tap pass and stuff. And it's the anti-Steve Ritchie game. If you're better or worse, it's only left flipper. Only left flipper. It's, I don't know, I don't like games where it's just the one flipper. But at least I can see in tournaments, like, some interest in, like, just managing to get it all over to left flipper as a skill, but, like, it's not. The way you play, John, it's going to be like five flippers, and they're all going to be important. They're all going to be tiny. Oh, my God. You won't believe the amount of shit I put in this game. One left flipper, four right flippers. It's all going to be tiny flippers also, because we're going to put a little dancers on top. Yeah.
    107:06
    Hey, Zach, tell them what you're selling. Selling? What are you selling, Zach? Someone buy my Super Straight. They'll deliver it to Allentown. I will. Is that the one with the cool chimes or the one with the terrible electronic sound? It's one of the cool electronic sounds.
    107:23
    Thanks, Ron. Thanks for helping me sell it, douche. Everyone loves those. Why does everyone love those? They're high. It sounds so weird. It's awesome. There's no other game like it. Okay, I'll give you that. It's not like it's the ones on Wildfire Stern, which is like, blam, blam, blam, blam, blam. But the sonic chimes sound good. I'd rather have the chimes. Yeah, but you could also just buy any other EM and have chimes. as long as it's not a Williams. You wouldn't know about that, though. Oh.
    107:55
    Yeah, this is Zach saying, I don't have enough EMs. You should get a Far Out. In old Chicago. Wait a minute. How's Far Out going to help me with my Williams? How is old Chicago going to help me out with that? Because they're Bally and Gally. No, you said, I don't know about Williams. Williams' crimes suck. Oh. They do. Oh, okay. So you wouldn't want a game of Williams Chimes. So I shouldn't get that doodle-ba. I think it has bells.
    108:24
    I think that was pre-Chime Unit era. Pre-Chime Unit. Wait a minute. There's a pre-Chime Unit. Wait. Wait a minute. Now I'm confused. Well, back in the day, Ron, we go back to the 40s. We had one bell, and it dinged for everything, and it sucked. So then we pushed the boundaries, and we had two bells. Wow. One bell for one thing, and one bell for the other thing, and the third number, who knows. I found out on my El Toro this week, it has one bell for the ones, and one bell for the tens and the hundreds, which makes no sense. Does the bell make a different sound, hopefully? Yes, a different sound. Then, like, you get to the Bally 60s era, they have two bells. One is for the ones, and one is for either the tens or the hundreds or both. There's an adjustment plug to select what point range you want the bell to ding on. But there's only two bells, which makes no sense because it's three scores. Then you get to, like, mini-pool, you know, the Gottlieb 60s, and they have three bells.
    109:27
    One for each score. And it's great. It sounds awesome. Your Spanish eyes, I think that there's a bell on the match unit for the tens. And then there's a single chime in the back that's used for the other scores.
    109:42
    Yeah, I think my bell is not original. It's like a Gottlieb bell or something in there. Yeah, they don't make the Williams ones, but the Gottlieb ones are very close. And then sometime in the early 70s, everyone swapped out using a three-chime unit to do the three things all in one spot, all combined. Cost saving sounds better, unless you're Williams where your chime unit sucks and just goes clunk, clunk, clunk and rattles everywhere all the time. Okay Good lesson there So you need a game that's a Bally or a Gottlieb 70s game With a three chime unit for real Chime sounds that isn't sonic So far out Yeah far out would be a very good choice And then you can also buy super straight With the electronic sounds that have the full variety of EM No And you can come play aerobatics Which has other electronic sounds Ooh aerobatics That's right yeah that's got some It's weird Does it have, like, a combo? It's got chimes and electronic sound. No, no chimes. Really? It's all electronic. Huh.
    110:42
    Okay, I misremembered that then. I am old. You have me thinking maybe combat's different. Oh, yeah, I played that, too. People get those confused a lot. I like to get a combat. That's a nice game to get. What game do you want? Asking eight. You got your ten people you can ask, Zach.
    110:57
    What's the next game on the list? I mean, if someone wants to throw me a combat, I'll take it. No, I would take a combat. There are a surprising number of Zakaria EMs that don't look good at all, which is a bummer. I'd like to go to Surfside or Wiggler 2. Those are the next big things on the list. Wait a minute, Wiggler 2? What about Wiggler? That one too. Oh. Either Wiggler. There's two of them? For some reason, there are two of them on Pinside, but I think they're the same thing, just entered wrong. Oh. Or a Bright Star. I want to get a Bright Star. Well, anything else, guys? I've gone through the list here. I'm looking for bad girls. Looking for bad girls, eventually. Bad girls.
    111:41
    Zach, we should ask everyone. Does somebody want to trade us our spot for Scooby-Doo? Yeah. Do you have a Scooby-Doo spot below 700? And you're like, I don't know about this. You want to trade? Wait a minute. You want to trade off? We want it. We want it now. Oh, okay. I want it all. Yeah, yeah. I want it all. Oh, yeah, I'm sure that's going to be a TPF, too. I didn't even write that here. Queen. Actually, I think it's had another show before that. Yes. Yeah. Well, it's been in many shows, actually. It's been in several shows, and I've played it in at least two different shows. You've played it in Scooby-Doo? No. Queen. Oh, I can play this conversation. Yeah, yeah. Because he said, I want it all, which is a Queen song, and I'm like, that'll be a TPF, too. I think that was a Queen song. Yes. You should learn. Queen is awesome. I know, like, four Queen songs. They're not the same as Foo Fighters, to be honest. That really... That's disappointing. That's a fail. That's so disappointing. That is a fail. Eh, just listen to Bohemian Rhapsody over and over. No. I don't need more. No, you need more. Yeah, TPF, we got Queen, Foo Fighters, Bond 60, Scooby-Doo, Godfather, Final Resistance, Galactic Tank Force, and Pulp Fiction.
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    Damn. How the hell am I going to play? I'm going to be in lines the entire show. One of them will be in the tournament, Ron, so you'll be good there. I'm going to be at fucking Disney World. I'm just going to be in constant lines. That's it. They should have, like, a fast pass system. Yeah, yeah. TPF, I want a fast pass. I want to play this shit immediately. Yeah, it's called being. If they did the Pentastic system where you could get the VIP in a separate room with the low lines. Well, they do have some VIP shit, and they have some, like, you can stay later than everyone else shit, and I'm sure that's when you could play it. I would say if you want to play these games, make sure you're there on Friday, right when they open. Or volunteer, because I'll be broken by Saturday. Well, that maybe. But by Saturday, forget it. It'll just be horrific. It's a madhouse.
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    I'm going to be there early Friday morning, starting in the tournament, trying to get all my shit done. So I can just stand in line the rest of the show. And get hugs from everyone. Don't forget, hug Ron two weeks from now. Hug him. This has been episode 202 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. We can be reached at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. Check out our website, www.slamtiltpodcast.com. You can check out my other podcast. You already said it once today. I'm saying it again. Silver Ball Chronicles. He never gives us two on the other one. I did. Actually, yeah, you're right. I don't. You don't. Exactly. Well, I don't have control. I'm sorry. You do have control. You're the co-host. Yes, the pinball network. It's on. I have one of these references, Ron. It should be coming out soon. It's a good thing I can edit out whatever I want. I'm drunk with power. Yes, he is. It is hosting abilities. Yes.
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    And thanks to everyone out there. Hi, Zach. Hi. Fun with bonus. Hi, Steve. Hello, everyone in our Clusterbook thread. Yes. Everyone in the universe. Congratulations, Raymond, again. That was a great win. Oh, for the Nationals? Yes. And we may be doing an episode before TPF. Ooh.
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    A different episode. Ooh. Episode 204. Different format. What? Episode 204 will be different than 203. This is only 202.
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    It'll also be different. It's true, but in a different way. 203 will be an episode, possibly be an episode like you've never heard before. Never heard before from us. Well, no, you've probably heard before, but not from us. So thanks, everybody. Until next time. Well, thanks, Zach. Thank you, Zach, for coming on today and enjoying our company at 9 a.m. Yeah, I know. It wasn't a fun one. Yeah, I don't think he enjoyed our company. I think he did. I think he really did. I really do believe he did. and one of the guys messaged us on on the slam tilt and said ah bruce failed food fighters has expression lighting and i'm kind of right on that because pros don't i'm kind of right you said it wouldn't have expression lighting period but uh i was right on voltron and he did give me a thumbs up that's i'm gonna call you voltron for now oh it'd be fucking awesome i am the head no you're the butt. Oh, man. Okay. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Kid Cristo-Hoper.
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    Bye. We'll be right back. Oh my