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Episode 196 – Violent And Noisy

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 41m·analyzed·Nov 29, 2022
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt hosts vent about pinball manufacturing quality while covering Free Play Florida and Stern expansion news.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss Twippy voting season, quality issues with modern pinball machines (coil stops, servo motors, software bugs), their experience at Free Play Florida show, and industry news including Stern's facility expansion and Cactus Canyon Continued shipping delays being resolved.

Key Claims

  • Stern is expanding its facility from 110,000 to 163,875 square feet at a cost of $6.5 million total over a 10-year lease valued at $26 million.

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce citing Knapp Arcade news report during episode discussion

  • Coil stops on new Stern machines (including Godzilla) are failing after as few as 50 games due to improper pressing during manufacturing.

    medium confidence · Bruce describing personal experience with failures; contrasting with vintage Williams/Gottlieb coil stops still working from 1960s-70s

  • Spooky Pinball servo motor elevators on unreleased game failed repeatedly—both the 3D-printed parts and replacement servo motors failed in testing.

    medium confidence · Bruce describing ongoing elevator/servo motor issues on their Spooky machine

  • James Bond 007 (Pro) lacks physical ball lock mechanism—the lock shot animation plays while ball remains in play, preventing enjoyment of multiball intro sequences.

    high confidence · Ron detailing specific gameplay observation from Free Play Florida testing

  • Stern home editions (Star Wars, Jurassic Park) did not sell well; operator nearby had two unsold units after 9-10 months.

    medium confidence · Bruce citing local operator's sales experience; attributing to $5,000 price point undercutting used games

  • Prince IP licensing from American Pinball would cost $1.5 million and restricts use of the color purple and most of his music catalog.

    medium confidence · Ron citing information from 'The Super Awesome Pinball Show' episode about American Pinball licensing negotiations

  • Cactus Canyon Continued upgrade kits are now shipping after previous delays; kit includes saloon doors hardware and new code.

    medium confidence · Ron and Bruce confirming shipping status based on industry reports

  • Chicago Gaming Company has the best toppers in the industry compared to other manufacturers.

    medium confidence · Bruce's opinion based on comparing Attack from Mars and Cactus Canyon Continued toppers to other manufacturers' designs

Notable Quotes

  • “It's a mechanical part to a pinball machine that always fails...I have coil stops from the 60s and 70s from Williams and Gottlieb machines that are still working. But not a brand new machine that fails after 50 games.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ early segment — Highlights manufacturing quality regression in modern machines versus vintage reliability

  • “A servo motor is supposed to be smaller, cheaper, and easier to replace. The problem is I don't think they're rated as well as they should be for the application...they're the only company that uses servo motors.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ servo motor discussion — Explains technical failure mode specific to Spooky Pinball's design choices

  • “Bond, it literally just fires it up. I wish it kicked it somewhere. That's all. That's all.”

    Ron Hallett @ Bond Pro gameplay analysis — Identifies specific Bond Pro design flaw affecting playability

  • “You can't use the color purple. What? What? And you can't use any of the music except for these two songs. They're the worst songs ever.”

    Ron Hallett @ Prince licensing discussion — Illustrates absurd IP licensing restrictions preventing American Pinball from making Prince game

  • “So while you're getting the ball locked animation you can't see it because you're still playing because the ball is in play like it doesn't stop.”

    Ron Hallett @ Bond Pro lock mechanism analysis — Clarifies critical design oversight in Bond Pro's multiball lock implementation

  • “They have a hard-on for them [servo motors]. Maybe some company in freaking Wisconsin right in the same town has a servo motor surplus.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ servo motor discussion — Suggests Spooky Pinball's manufacturing decisions driven by parts availability rather than engineering merit

  • “I would just push it off the fucking window and just let it go crashing like it did for...what's his name at TNT? Oh, well, how about if it was TNA?”

    Bruce Nightingale — Expresses extreme frustration with Spooky machine reliability

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonChristopher FranchipersonRay TanzerpersonDavid FixpersonJason ZahlerpersonRaymond DavidsonpersonKate Martinperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_concern: Widespread coil stop failures on Stern machines (Godzilla reported failing after 50 games) attributed to improper pressing/assembly; vintage Williams/Gottlieb coil stops still functional from 1960s-70s suggests quality regression

    high · Bruce: 'they loosen up...then they shed metal everywhere' on brand new machines; contrasts with vintage reliability

  • ?

    product_concern: Spooky Pinball servo motors failing repeatedly in field testing despite manufacturer claims; both 3D-printed elevator parts and replacement servo motors failed; Bruce suggests Spooky has structural preference for servo motors based on local parts availability

    high · Bruce: 'servo motors [are] not rated as well as they should be for the application...Even though they say they are, they're not'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Bond Pro lacks physical ball lock; lock shot animation plays while ball remains in play, preventing player enjoyment of multiball intro sequence animations; comparison to Zeppelin suggests this is specific design oversight

    high · Ron: 'while you're getting the ball locked animation you can't see it because you're still playing because the ball is in play'

  • $

    market_signal: Stern home editions (Star Wars, Jurassic Park) discontinued after poor sales; local operator reports two units unsold after 9-10 months; attributed to $5,000 price point making used games better value

    medium · Bruce: 'operator by us that has two in its game showroom...hasn't sold many...too expensive...same price almost [as used games]'

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern Pinball expanding Chicago facility from 110,000 to 163,875 sq ft (50%+ growth); total project cost $6.5M, 10-year lease $26M; facilities designed with dedicated wood/playfield manufacturing section; Ray Tanzer managing transition similar to 2015 move

Transcript

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0:00
This may come as a surprise to you worthless sacks of dung, but that flag you were just violating stands for something. Truth, justice, democracy. A way of life that sets our glorious nation apart from all others. Now, what do you have to say for yourselves?
0:17
Dung. Coming to you from beautiful Uxgate, New York, this is the Slamtail Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Happy freaking Thanksgiving. It's over. Well, people, I didn't get to say it beforehand, so I'm just going to say hopefully you had a good Thanksgiving. But what happens if I didn't? Now I'm already disappointed. I didn't either, so don't worry. I'm disappointed already.
0:56
I worked. I had steak. yeah i worked i had pizza hut uh beautiful welcome everyone this is episode 196 wow getting close getting close trying to line up people yep like uh all in a row so i only take one shot hopefully not to shoot him down yes ah man it's very light news wise it is it's making podcasts difficult it is but you come on our show to listen to us because we give you the first news and then some other podcaster just says oh god and steals our our information are you still upset about the pop-up or thing Yes, I am. I was on a stream where someone was, they were streaming James Bond, and someone in the chat's like, I hear the pop-upers are tied together. And the guy was playing a pro. It's like, oh, God. The information is already getting to be incorrect. It's like, it's just the premium in the LA. It's the premium in the LA, not the pros. So the pros look normal. Yeah. But some other podcaster took it as his own, spread it as gospel. Oh. Got paid for it. Oh, that's right. Chris gets paid. We should get paid. Yeah, we should get paid. Payable time. Nope, not at all. And then I tell people, no, this was already told about two or three weeks ago. And they all just go like, oh, okay, whatever. Like they're all like, look, Chris told us all this great news. And then you set them straight and they go, oh. The thing is, it was on the stream. Like the Jack Dangerous stream, you could see it. I know, exactly. You could literally see it. But most people don't pick up on that. You did. Well. But everyone else took the glory and the funness. Zach beat me on that one. He picked it up with him, like, the first time it went in the pop-up or something. He's weird like that. It's like an EM. But, yeah, somebody tried to steal our thunder. I had to set him straight once one of our friends said, hey, somebody's taking your thunder. Taking your thunder, yes. No one knows what we're talking about, so that's great. I know. Thunder from down under. They're on Pinball Enthusiast, I think it was, one of the Facebook chats. Yeah, you've got to be a member of that. No one knows what we're talking about. It's great. Yes. It's wonderful. But how are you doing today? I'm a little bitter.
@ Spooky quality discussion

  • “Stern is spending more than $5 million on the relocation project, hence your $2,000 toppers and price increases.”

    Ron Hallett @ Stern facility expansion discussion — Links manufacturing expansion costs directly to retail price increases

    • Zach Sharpe
    person
    Slam Tilt Podcastorganization
    Free Play Floridaevent
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Chicago Gaming Companycompany
    American Pinballcompany
    Godzillagame
    James Bond 007 (Pro)game
    Toy Storygame
    Cactus Canyon Continuedgame
    TNA (Total Nuclear Annihilation)game
    Alice Coopergame
    Little Shop of Gamesorganization
    Knapp Arcadeorganization
    Twippies Awardsevent
    Billy Mitchellperson

    high · Ron citing Knapp Arcade: 'Stern spending more than $5 million on relocation...lease set to begin October 2023...for Expo'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: American Pinball pursued Prince IP but licensing costs proved prohibitive; final offer included $1.5M licensing fee with severe creative restrictions (no purple color, only 2 pre-approved songs, exclusion of Purple Rain era), making game economically unfeasible

    medium · Ron: 'Prince's people came back...like yeah, great idea...$1.5 million...can't use the color purple...can't use any of the music except for these two songs'

  • ?

    product_launch: Cactus Canyon Ellie upgrade kits now shipping after previous delays; kit includes new hardware (saloon doors) and updated code; delays attributed to parts availability

    medium · Ron: 'Cactus Canyon Ellies are shipping...They must have found the parts for the toppers'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Bond Pro left-side shot below upper left flipper criticized for being dead space—ball simply fires up playfield without meaningful gameplay consequence; players suggest redesign to kickback mechanism like Getaway or Stranger Things mod

    medium · Ron: 'that area below the upper left flipper...the ball just kind of falls in there and fires it up the play field...I wish it kicked it somewhere'

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts report frustration with other podcasters/content creators taking credit for industry news first reported on Slam Tilt; example of Bond pop-up information attributed to 'Chris the podcaster' despite being revealed on Jack Dangerous stream weeks prior

    medium · Bruce: 'some other podcaster took it as his own, spread it as gospel...got paid for it...Chris gets paid. We should get paid'

  • ?

    product_concern: Spooky Pinball software reliability issues reported across multiple games; TNA has occasional resets and 4-player lock-ups; excluded from tournament rotation due to stability; Alice Cooper noted as most reliable Spooky title

    medium · Bruce: 'TNA...software still has bugs...resets...locks up on fourth player...that's why it's not even on our thing for tournaments'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Free Play Florida tournament format requires top 16 finalists across 4 different games; cost to compete for top scores estimated at $200-300; main tournament ran into late Sunday (2+ day event); Toy Story criticized as too easy, affecting competitive balance

    medium · Ron: 'only top 16 in classics get finals...need top 10 score on four different games...would cost $200-300...tournament finished late Sunday'

  • ?

    event_signal: Free Play Florida had Friday setup incomplete with large empty sections; Saturday sections filled after Little Shop of Games brought machines from IAAPA trade show (same venue, same time); included multiple new Stern Bond Pros/Premiums and Cactus Canyon inventory

    high · Ron: 'Friday...large sections...no games...Saturday all those spots were full...Little Shop of Games...brought all the stuff over...set up overnight'

    • 3:28
    I'm a little Bruce. Oh, you're a little Bruce? Do you know the Twippy voting is coming up, Bruce? It is. I know, and everyone's smooching away. Smooching away. You do this every year, too, by the way, with your complaining. Well, no, no. Here's the funny thing. I love Chris Franchi. I love him. He's great. He's been on our show. I've been on their show. I love him to death. But have you seen our Facebook page today or just since last night? No. You need to go look real fast. Oh, God. Because I want the live reaction. You want the live reaction. Yes, I need the live reaction. Wait, was this the picture you put up there, though? Yes, it was. That I did see, yes. Okay. So the picture is, let me get to it so I'm going to not be wrong because everyone says sometimes I'm wrong. Everyone says sometimes I'm wrong.
    4:20
    That's funny. It says two things that are guaranteed to shit the bed. And on one side, it's got a stern coil stop. Yes. Which I thought was funny. And in the other one, it's got some woman who I don't know who that is. Oh, the other woman is Johnny Depp's ex-wife. The one who supposedly shit in his bed. Is that the joke? Okay. Exactly. So Chris Franchi below that asks, now this is a guy who has a pinball podcast. Oh, yes. What is that metal thing? Yes. He doesn't know what a coil stop is.
    4:57
    Come on, Chris. I love you. I know you're the artist that you're not a mechanical guy, and he admits it. He does totally admit it. But yes, come on. It's a mechanical part to a pinball machine that always fails. And then you see this everyone piling on and all these groups saying the coil stops suck. I have coil stops from the 60s and 70s from Williams and Gottlieb's machines that are still working. But not a brand new machine that fails after. We had one fail on 50. 50 games. Our Godzilla one. Crypto bed. Now, why do you think they're failing?
    5:34
    I think it's the way they're pressed. Okay. Because Stern supposedly makes them, at least the ones they're using. Yes, they make them themselves, and the guy must not put enough force on them, or they don't press them. It's just not pressed properly because, you see, they loosen up.
    5:50
    It's a shit. Shit, shit, shit. Then they shed metal everywhere. That's always fun. That's fun to get that.
    5:57
    Lift up your play field. There's just metal shavings all over the place. It's great. Yeah. And the Mandalorian is even better. when the upper play field goes right onto your regular play field. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yes. Yeah.
    6:12
    It's got a nice topper, though. It does have a beautiful topper. Beautiful topper. It's only $2,000. That's all. But I see your other show has their early access up for your paywall. Woo-hoo, a paywall. It's called a Patreon, Bruce. I call it paywall. It's not really a paywall if you're eventually going to see it anyway. That's not a paywall. Eventually you'll see it. You're paying for early access, Bruce. Yes, that's my other podcast, Silver Ball Chronicles, as can be heard on the Pinball Network. Is that the glory hole of, like, if you, like, you know, you get the girl in the first time in the glory hole or the second time, you get the early access or not?
    6:55
    Ah. Our episode, we – He can't even He's like, oh, fuck It's a brief pinball history lesson Yes Pinball in the beginning In the beginning There was a coil stop Yes, that didn't fail No, in the beginning There was a Gottlieb Pop-Upper mech Yes And then the universe ended And the only thing left was the Gottlieb Pop-Upper mech Because it never fails It never fails so yeah what was i twippy voting yes yes twippy voting if you want to vote for us we'd be very appreciative we know we're not going to win well in reality let's see i think i already went through this like top streamer will be uh dead flip top uh with with uh chris the podcaster will be second streamer yes which i don't know why and then he doesn't stream pinball and then and then chris the podcaster will be number one podcaster.
    8:01
    Okay. Pinside will win best website and probably straight down the middle. We'll probably win best YouTube site there. I've just predicted because people have no brains, although game of the year will be interesting.
    8:17
    So what, what do you think we get? We got rush and we got toy story. Yeah. And we got other games. I don't think I have any chance of winning. And Bond.
    8:27
    Bond is out. See, that's so weird because that is still not even close to being done. I know, but Bond is out. Yeah, but that'll kind of ruin it for, like, it's not going to win Game of the Year. Unless it has awesome, awesome shots. Even if it did, it's so beta software right now. It's, no. That kind of hurts it if it's supposedly eligible.
    8:52
    It's Rush. Definitely is Rush. So you think Rush will beat Toy Story? Yes. Hmm. I don't know on this one. I think Rush should win.
    9:04
    It ain't no Halloween. Well, we haven't got to repairs yet. Yeah, I know. We'll get to that later on. Are you saying it broke again? Oh, fuck me. Spooky fucking quality. The funny thing is, it's not like, not to say any bad things about the co-op, but I mean, you guys are not – the games are not getting pounded into submission. No. This is not like a huge commercial location where things are getting played to death. No. How many days a week are you guys open? Two to three days a week. If I had my bar and if I had a Spooky in there, I would just push it off the fucking window and just let it go crashing like it did for – what's his name at TNT? Oh, well, how about if it was TNA? They seem to hold up better. They do, but it still has bugs in it. The software still has bugs in it. Once in a while, it just resets.
    9:59
    Okay. And once in a while, if you're playing a four-player game, it just locks up on the fourth player. That's why it's not even on our thing for playing in the tournaments. Oh.
    10:09
    Yep, that's your spooky quality. But I will say Alice Cooper is probably the best one. Yeah, that thing's always up. Yep. There you go. Once in a while you get ball stocks on it, but that's nothing bad. Yeah, that's just physical crap. Exactly. Which they never work out anyway. Oh.
    10:30
    They don't. Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. Okay. Yeah, but, you know, servo motors should not be in pinball machines. Can we get this straight, boys and girls? Okay, so what's the issue, Bruce? The fucking elevators again. Oh, the elevators. So, so far, well, what do we have? The elevators, the 3D printed, yeah, it cracked. Yep. So they sent us two new ones. Two new ones. With servo motors on them. Ah, very good, very good. So we put those two in, and guess what failed again? Not the 3D part, the brand new servo motors.
    11:08
    Hmm. So what is like, help me out here. What does Stern use if servo motors are bad? What does Stern use? that's better.
    11:19
    Regular motor. Yeah, like a motor, like what you use for raising, like for the goalie on World Cup soccer, a motor.
    11:30
    That kind of thing. But this is a servo motor. What's the difference? Explain. A servo motor is supposed to be smaller, cheaper, and easier to replace. The problem is I don't think they're rated as well as they should be for the application. Rated for as many cycles as they're going to get. Yes. Even though they say they are, they're not. They're the only company that uses servo motors. I don't know why they've used them since day one. They have a hard-on for them. Maybe some company in freaking Wisconsin right in the same town has a servo motor surplus because it seems like they only just go for the old, Hey, we got to buy from, you know, Benton, Wisconsin stuff. Okay.
    12:17
    I got servo motors down here. I got a ton of them. We'll buy them. We're recording early today, and Bruce has more energy than usual. This must be the key. Yes, I have coffee in my fucking veins right now. And you're on fiber. I'm on fiber now. I got rid of Spectrum. Yeah. Yay!
    12:37
    My fiber is... Fruit and fiber. 500, 500 instead of one gig, what I did. My one gig from Spectrum was $125.
    12:48
    My 500, 500 megabytes, as I'll say. Megabits. They're bits, folks. But yes. Is $50. For one month. No. One year. Forever. Okay. The prices, if you pay, like if you have the easy pay where you, you know, it comes right your checking account every month, it's $50. If you pay by check or you pay with a bill paper, it's $57.
    13:16
    All right. Well, let's start at the top of the list here. Free Play Florida. Yes, somebody went. I went to Free Play Florida, Bruce. How many people hugged you? No one. What? I am very disappointed, people. I have people asking me, anyone hug you yet, Ron?
    13:35
    Yes. No. It was that the weather sucked. The weather did suck. I felt really bad for you. I mean, that's one of the whole reasons I go there. Because it's 30 degrees here, so you go to Florida. It was nicer actually here, I think, than it was in Florida. No, no, no, no, no. Well, we were in Buffalo. Well, Buffalo got buried under feet and feet of snow. Feet and feet of snow, and we got nothing. So it was the second day it got up to about 74. degrees okay so i said fuck it i went swimming probably the first time in 10 years i went swimming now people here's the funny thing i have a pool at my house zach has a pool at his complex he does i've never seen it yes he does see you can come swim anytime hmm so uh what about that oh yeah there was a show that's right that's right so the show it's in the same the same hotel that it's been the last couple years the caribbee royale i think it's called a little long the tooth i went there oh it's brand new I went there with dad as usual he got to experience Uber the first time he was somewhat confused when we were leaving the vehicle like are we going to pay the dude it's like it's all set it's fine I'm a celebrity I have two podcasts I don't even pay anymore just get up and walk out the funny thing is so Friday it was Somewhat, there were large sections of the room that had no games in them. Wow. And it was just like, not quite as good.
    15:29
    Then Saturday, all those spots were full. Wow. Because what happened. Somebody didn't get a truck or something? No. It was, I think, Little Shop of Games. They have all the games they bring to IAAPA.
    15:44
    That's a trade show, folks, or industry show that's in Florida at the same time. They finished up Friday. So they brought all the stuff over and then set it up overnight. So when you came in Saturday, all of a sudden you had this whole row of new Sterns that was not there before,
    16:00
    including two Bond Pros and two Bond Premiums. You had a whole row of Cactus Canyons. And then you also had American Pinball there with Houdini's and Valhalla's, and I think Hot Wheels might have been there too. and Dave Fix was there, baby. Dave Fix. He was. You know what he was wearing, baby? His tights.
    16:28
    No, baby. He was wearing a Silver Ball Chronicles t-shirt. Wow. That's right, baby. It's American Pinball, the American dream of American Pinball, baby. You know, we never did say who won that contest. What contest was that? The American Dream Contest, baby. Who won it? I have no idea. Remember it was supposed to be the top homebrew of Expo? Yeah, how's that going? They would make their game and all. I didn't hear a damn thing about that. Boy, surprise, surprise.
    16:58
    Just like we haven't heard about their new two games this year. Oh, that's right, two games a year. Yeah. Well, there's the Galactic. There's Galactic Tankforth, baby. We're going to have tanks blowing shit up. It's going to be great, baby.
    17:10
    I don't understand why they don't want to do a – Well, they looked into doing Prince. Yes, they did. That was on the latest Super Awesome Pinball Show episode. Hee hee! Where Prince, he said, he pitched the idea, so they gave an art package to him, and Prince's people came back and like, yeah, this looks like a great idea. Yeah. $1.5 million.
    17:40
    No. So, yeah. Prince is going to be... Do I get the drugs that he was taking with it? It's going to be cost prohibitive.
    17:52
    Do I get to use the drugs that he was taking? It'd be funny. You could do the license, but you can't use the color purple. What?
    18:02
    And you can't use any of the music except for these two songs. They're the worst songs ever. You can't use anything from his Purple Rain era. I'm like, what? uh okay yeah um yeah so once they brought all those in that was cool same thing a lot of these shows some of the games you know people bring these games in they're ones that are like really nice play great beautiful and then they don't even have to look beautiful but they play great that's all i care about that's all i care about too then there's other ones that like half the The score displays don't even work. I know. So much shit on the game doesn't work. Like, how the fuck did you even get this in here? Are you going to tell me? Or mod it out. You get the clown puke. No.
    18:51
    That's more Texas, honestly. But this, it's like, are you going to tell me, oh, this thing worked 100% before I brought it in. This damn place broke my machine. Yeah, all five things that don't work broke on the time between I left my house and came here. God damn it. It's like, God, yeah, that's what I was saying. But me and Dad played this one game over and over and over again we thought was fairly interesting. It's called Hollywood.
    19:21
    Chicago Coins Hollywood. Laurel and Hardy on it. Yeah, amongst other people that didn't give their permission. Yeah. W.C. Fields was on it. I'm sure he didn't get anything either. No. But it's just you hit down these drop targets, and then you have to hit it. It's got – you know that one game that has four holes across, and the ball goes to one saucer, and it bounces it to the other saucer, to the other one, to the other one? I love that one. This one's like it does it but vertical. You hit the first hole, then it goes back, back, back. But when it goes in the hole, you collect awards if you've lit them with the drop targets. So we were getting into that, and we played that over and over and over. So now you can have that with Prospector, and you can have both the games with Long and Hardy on it. No, there's even more. We need Flickr. Oh, that's right, Flickr. I forgot about that. I think there's other ones, too. I think they're the most ripped-off, non-compensated celebrities ever on pinball machines.
    20:22
    What was the one game that was a disco where it's got Diana Ross on it? it's got like all kinds of other celebrities. Yeah, Disco is definitely it from Stern. But they change it enough so it kind of doesn't look like them, but it obviously is them. Just like B-Time. B-Time is the Beatles, yeah. Yeah, we all do. We weren't that stupid yet.
    20:46
    So the funny thing is at Freeplay Florida, Billy Mitchell was there as usual doing his MC duties, even after he's just sued more people, like right before the show.
    21:01
    He was in full gimmick, as always. No, not him. Yeah. Let's see. What else? The tournament. So I actually only played two sets of entries in Classics. Well, once I saw all the people that were there, i.e. all the top players in the world and only the top 16 in classics get to the finals and you would need a top 10 score on four different games I knew there was just no way that was happening and if it was it was going to cost me $200-$300 to do so and I just didn't feel like spending the money plus I didn't bring that much money with me so yeah that was the end of that sucks tournament was good though That's good. Let's see. Who won?
    21:54
    I think Jason Zahler won Classics. Yes. Raymond Davidson won the main. And Kate Martin won the women's. And if they had a kids' tournament, I don't remember who won that. Wah, wah. Wah, wah, wah.
    22:10
    And it went, the main tournament went on a long time. Like, I'm watching it. Get on the plane. Come home. It's still going on. Eat dinner. Go home. It's still going on. Jesus.
    22:23
    It finished like late Sunday night. I saw, I actually saw watching a stream. I see Dave fix sitting in the background. Like there he is. Yes, baby. This is one long tournament, baby. This is one long.
    22:40
    So is there anything else that happened there? There was no, no real controversy. No, no. I know everyone says it's the easiest game ever, but I guess it has the opposite effect on me whenever I play Toy Story. My game was like two minutes long, and I was done, and that was it. Yeah. I played it once now, and it's like, ugh. Again, I don't mind it as long as the sound is down. Yeah.
    23:06
    I played Bond Pro. It's fine. It's just I don't – that area below the upper left flipper. it's just like a lot a lot of space for nothing and the ball just kind of falls in there and it fires it out and it just fires it up the play field where it can go anywhere i agree i just that doesn't work for me why if it just could have made it so it it fired it into something yeah i know i've been a little easier like getaway what's one of the cool things about getaway You hit the kickback. Yeah. It fires it back up into the saucer. At least that's supposed to. Supposed to, yes. Yeah. And that's so cool. I still think to this day that's super cool. And I know somebody had – I played a Stranger Things where they had adjusted that kick out, which is almost in the same place as Bond on the left side. So it would kick out and then go around the little mini orbit under the – where the drop targets are in the middle. Yes. It would go around that U-turn. And it looks like it was meant to do that. And it makes it more cool.
    24:17
    But Bond, it literally just fires it up. It's kind of like when I play Cheetah and you hit it on that right side and it just kicks it towards the pop bumpers. I wish it kicked it somewhere.
    24:28
    That's all. But the other thing about playing Bond Pro, and I was trying to think about if there's any other games. if someone said Zeppelin, they don't have the physical ball lock on Bond Pro by the dildo missile there. Yes, the dildo. The dildo rocket.
    24:49
    So on Bond Pro, when you hit the lock shot, there's a green insert, lock shot. You hit it, it just comes around, and it doesn't actually lock, and it doesn't stop either. so while you're getting the ball locked animation you can't see it because you're still playing because the ball is in play like it doesn't stop so then when you start multi-ball you lock the third ball it's going through the whole multi-ball intro sequence light show all that stuff you can't really enjoy any of that because the ball is already in play my balls are in play So I was trying to think of any other games that do that And someone mentioned Zeppelin.
    25:36
    So I'm trying to think. So in Zeppelin, you just hit a lock shot and multi-ball just starts? I think so. Okay. It's just so weird. It would be like on Rush if the time machine never stopped the ball. so you hit the time machine to start multi-ball and it just goes through it but still does the full light show and everything else that you can't enjoy it's just so weird to me because i i know you hate all the programmers there at stern but uh i like lonnie's light shows and his presentation not all i like his light shows and presentation right and i'm not like you and i'm not gonna i like you i'm not gonna get to enjoy it because the ball never stops it's just it's just weird they couldn't have put an up post or something there like ever any bunny oh okay but no i like ray and i like timmy so there you go i like the two people who are on our show a lot they're they're fine they're fine they're great the other douchebags just oh my god oh god i got i got the plan for texas but i'm still going i'm gonna bring that big thousand candlelight light. Okay, you are going to Texas. I'm still planning. I don't know yet. I'm probably not going to play, but I might go down. I might drive down.
    26:54
    Drive down? Might. I don't know yet. Damn. Are you eating? No, I would never eat on a podcast. I saw you can hear me hitting the mute button continuously.
    27:12
    Let's see. Is there anything else about free play Florida. So how was your swim? You never said how your swim was. Oh, it was great.
    27:20
    See, as you know, I am cold pretty much all the time. Yep. And it was probably a heated pool. Not really. Oh, really? The water is the opposite. I can stay in the water all day. Wow. So you're like my wife, just swim, swim, swim. I will get back in the water because the breeze seems cold to me compared to the water. Yep, that's how I am. So, yeah. My body is weird that way. Oh, you're just weird. Well, that too. Yes, we noticed. Yeah. Then I was in the, they had the hot tub thing right next to the pool. So I got there. That was very, very relaxing. Very nice.
    27:58
    Did you do your best pickup lines, all the chicks? Hey there. Well, except for the one guy who looked like he was on roids, I would say I had by far the best post-40-year-old body that I saw there. There you go. Without a doubt. Yep. almost 50 just ripped almost 50 50 i definitely have the best body 100 100 uh there was something else oh yeah i really like cactus candy did i mention that i mentioned that on other episodes but i have to keep mentioning that i played like one game and i had like 130 million i really like that game i like good as satisfying i like to see what the new code's gonna do to that oh i know we were still waiting on the uh oh supposedly it's going to be saloon doors in it oh wow well they think that the new code is going to come i i heard this on the pinball show that the new code will come with a hardware upgrade kit will put saloon doors back in that were supposed to be in there originally and i'm still confused exactly where the saloon doors are probably in front of bart that's what i thought but that's not what they said They said something about the trough. Is that what they mean? The trough in front of Bart? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. That's the saloon door area. That's what I thought it was. All right.
    29:19
    Celebrity voices impersonated. How are you doing, partner? I just love the humor. I do, too. That's why I like the game. It's like everyone knows the one line. Lock his lip. Lip is a saloon. Everyone knows that, even if they never played the game. I know.
    29:38
    Vance has one. I love it. I play it all the time when I go over. He's got an original. Yes, he does. So does he have Flipper Hop on the left side? Yes. Okay. So that's Factory then because every single one I played has Flipper Hop. He's fought it. He's tried to fight it. Well, it's got at least the remakes have – they don't have a regular in-lane guide. It's like the thick Gottlieb-like ball guide that you can't actually remove.
    30:08
    Nope. And there's no way you can bend it either. It's too thick. So I think you're, yeah, pretty much screwed. Oh, well.
    30:15
    Wah, wah. All right. So moving off of Free Play Florida, let's see. For news, we learned more about the Stern move. Yes. They're getting tax breaks. Staying in town. And the building is going to be how many square feet now, they said? Well, I'm going to go to Knapp Arcade. Yep. Hi, Knapp Arcade. Stern's new facility will be a couple blocks away from its existing location. Expand to 163,875 square feet. And they're at 100,000 right now. 110,000 right now. So the location is just over 50% larger. Oh, my. That's what everyone wants, a little bigger. Stern is spending more than $5 million on the relocation project, hence your $2,000 toppers and price increases.
    31:08
    And what's his name running the? Ray Tanzer will be running the swap over just like he did for the previous one. So I expect it to go smoothly. Because if I remember the previous one, they built games like Friday in the old place, and then by Monday they were building them in the new place. Yep. Let's see. And he's Gottlieb Tanzer. Yes, got me through and through. Let's see, including upgrades, prep work, moving costs at about $6.5 million. The total lease will be $26 million.
    31:39
    Million dollars. Over 10 years. Now, I wonder if this factory is as big as the Williams one now. The lease is set to begin in October 2023.
    31:50
    So just by time for Expo. Mm-hmm. so yeah they moved Stern previously moved in 2015 yes I'm excited oh so am I two buildings unfortunately I can see the prices for the games keep on growing yes the prices keep on growing but they're going to have a building just for wood it sounds like all the playfield stuff they're just going to do themselves yes let's see what else do we got here oh last call for stern home editions darn that's why we we always would call them the pin which is technically not correct because wasn't that the pin was like the transformers yes transformer and then avengers then you had the you had the costco pin yep for uh iron man and batman yeah so these are actually home editions or whatever they call them so they have two models they have star wars and jurassic park jurassic park star wars they have both art packages regular and comic book but for the full game they just have regular not the comic book it's so weird i know it's so so weird but uh yeah last call last call for uh the holiday season and it looks like they're not doing those particular models anymore. Or those particular titles. Their particular titles.
    33:21
    They can always come back and do more home editions, but for now... We'll just re-theme it into something else. Spider-Man slash... So you think they just didn't sell that many of them? No, they didn't. No. No. We got an operator by us that has two in its game showroom, and they've been there for almost, like, nine, ten months. Oh. Yeah. He said he hasn't sold many. I think it's because they're too expensive. Yeah. I mean, they cost as much as a pro used to cost. Yeah, $5,000 or $50,000. And then you have a used game over there that is better, has more stuff in it. It's a used game, and it's the same price almost. Hmm.
    34:02
    I'd rather buy, like, a millionaire. Oh, a millionaire. Ew. That game sucks. It has one cool feature. The moving. The moving, yeah, skill shot. That Gottlieb already did. Yep. But, yeah. Ugh.
    34:22
    Well, on better news, I thought there was – I remember news that these were all delayed, but it looks like they are now no longer delayed. The Cactus Canyon Ellies are shipping.
    34:33
    Yay! They must have found the parts for the toppers. Must have. They must have. Mm-hmm. Congrats to you if you are getting a Cactus Canyon Ellie. Did I mention I like Cactus Canyon? I think you do like Cactus Canyon. And congratulations to those people who are going to spend a lot of money getting that machine. Mm-hmm. How much was it? Was it five figures? Yeah, it was five figures. But you got a cool topper, though. We did get a cool topper. Did they have just, okay, does Chicago Gaming Company have the coolest toppers? Between that one. Oh, yeah. The Attack from Mars. Yeah, definitely. The Monster Bash one. No. Yeah, they are the nicest toppers. Well, guess what? You don't have to spend so much time designing a game. So while you're building the game, you have time to actually make the topper. Yes.
    35:22
    Yes. Where's my Rush accessory, Stern? Yeah, how's that going for everyone? Where's my expression lighting, Stern? Yeah, how's that going for everyone? God damn it. But we're going to put out another game and another game, and then we'll start thinking about it. Come on, man. Where's my Godzilla topper?
    35:41
    I'm not even talking. We're going back a game. Where's my Godzilla topper? Oh, how you doing there? All right. Got to keep the line moving. Yeah, got to keep the line moving. The best game is the one that's for sale right now. Yes, Gary.
    35:58
    You hear that, Gary? We know all your lines. You need to come on. Yeah. I got vodka. Big bottle of vodka. 1.75 liters. Oh, God. I'm here at Nap Arcade. It's the 40th anniversary of Gottlieb Caveman, you know. Oh, God, I know. God, that game sucks. Oh, that's a terrible game. It blows chunks. Hey, we're going to get another pet to aliens. Hey, Pachacalupana.
    36:29
    Yes, Pedretti is making more aliens. Aren't you excited? Hey. Another load of aliens is coming to the U.S. soon. Hey, more breakage for everyone. Oh, hey. They held up pretty good at the Expo. Queen, on the other hand, had some software issues, but Alien was pretty rock solid.
    36:52
    I watched an Alien stream and saw the Xenomorph thing actually work again. I think they finally figured it out, Bruce. It only took five years, four years, eventually to figure it out, but they got it working. Did you see about the new P3 module that somebody's selling third-party? Drained? Yeah, the headline threw me off with the, I thought they meant something was being drained or canceled or something. It's like, no, that's the actual name of the module. Yes. So it's a third-party module being done. Pretty cool. It's actually good for P3 so they don't have to put money and development into it. Well, here you go, Bruce. if you were going to develop a module for P3, what would you develop? Now, it can't be licensed, so you've got to create your own original thing.
    37:45
    How bad do pinball companies suck? That would be your module? Yes, you know, like you've got to try to fix the game really fast before the ball, you know, goes into certain time modes.
    37:58
    That's pretty bad, Bruce. But, well, okay, we'll go along with that theme. So you have to hit shots to fix various things. There's like a section of bad stern coil stops that you have to replace before they get out on the line. Yes, before. No, they're out on the line already. You're just not going to people's places now. I've got to fix this real fast. No, no, no, no, no. You're in the factory, and you have to replace these faulty parts before they get out. Because if they get out, that means you have angry customers, and then you have to replace them, and it costs you money, and you lose points.
    38:31
    Bunch of galupada. I like it. And, like, we'll do all the manufacturers. So if you're spooky, like, you have to replace the hot glue.
    38:39
    There you go. With better hot glue or something. Yes. There you go. And servo motors, you can replace the servo motor. Yeah. Okay, so if you're Jersey Jack, you have to replace the play fields. Play fields and jack up the power on them if you're in the show. Yes, we have to replace. Hey, we're bringing it to a show. We've got to do something about the power. Yes. You have to upgrade all your slingshots to 50 volt. Yes. To get it through.
    39:04
    I like that. Multimorphic. For a while, we could have busted about the flippers. Like, hey, come on, guys. Let's get these designs for the flippers real fast. No, we're going to have six flippers, but you can't see where any of them are. There you go.
    39:20
    I like it. We have a new module. We have a new P3 module. It's going to be great. We can sell it for $3,500.
    39:27
    Sounds good to me. How do you make any money on this, though? Good thing about it. $3,500 per module comes with playfield module, side target covers, magnetic apron, and left and right cabinet and head work. Plus, you've got to program it. It's for the love of the game, Bruce.
    39:45
    That's some love. Bruce ain't about that. I want my money. But what's the pop bumper in the middle? If you look at the pop bumper in the middle, do you have a picture up for this drain playfield? I do not. We need to, because I want to ask you a question. Do you recognize the pop bumper? Okay, I see the pop bumper. Wow, that's a lot of stand-up targets. It is. What's it from? What's the pop bumper from? What's the pop bumper? It's probably a Bally. I don't know what Bally. I'm sure you're going to tell me. Oh, is it Frontier? You got it, baby. Yeah, it's the Wolf. Yep. And that part, even though it's not the same, it reminds me of Silver Ball Mania. It does. Or Space Invaders or that kind of feel. It does. Man, there's a lot of stand-ups. God. It's like stern lightning.
    40:38
    It reminds me of, what's the pool game we have at the co-op? Pinball pool. See, you should have a Bad Girls. The best pool thing. I have that on the list for what I want. It's down here in the bottom. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.
    40:54
    Bad Girls 2, Electric Boogaloo. No, bad girls, too. Badder girls. Ooh. See, we have the module now. That's the module we go for. Because it's 25 years. They didn't re-copyright it. We're good. Mm-hmm.
    41:13
    Bad, bad, bad. Bad, bad, bad, bad. Let's see. When is Pulp Fiction coming out? I hope not. I have a note here.
    41:24
    I hope not. For those at home, that's Chicago Gaming's – I mean, it's done. i've heard from multiple people when i was at xbox that that thing has been done yeah for a long time so what the hell licensing maybe maybe they can't maybe they can't get some signatures and they don't want to change anything so they're trying to maybe they're waiting till after cactus canyon is out but i mean i i've heard anywhere from six months to two years it's been done i don't know if i i heard about the two years about yeah so come on i want to see you we need something we need something i don't care we got no news half the time nothing's coming out i don't care about that game uh you don't like paul fiction no and everyone busted my balls about it uh yeah even i've seen it even i've seen it bruce i've seen it once and i turned it off like three quarters of the way through. I was like, oh, it's bad. Like, I like cheesy movies. I like Flash Gordon. I like The Shadow and that kind of stuff. That was just bad. Everyone's like, oh, it's a classic. I like the Tarantino movies. I really do. Okay, like what? What Tarantino movies do you like? Django. I like the one where Django Unchained. Okay. Yep. The Nazis. and glorious bastards i like the uh horror one in the beginning where it was the zombies with uh selma hyuk's first movie that's not her first movie from dust till dawn was not her first movie by any amount no no no no she was in desperado which was like five six years before that and that wasn't that was tarantino i think he produced that one or no no he wasn't that um I think that was the guy who directed Desperado did that one, the Rodriguez guy. Let's see.
    43:26
    Yes, folks, this is very – maybe it'll be a pinball someday. Yeah, it'll be a pinball. Yeah, that's got to be it.
    43:32
    Oh, God, there was a sequel? Directed by Robert – Yeah, Robert Rodriguez. Yeah, but he wrote it. Yeah, but Robert Rodriguez, I believe he directed Desperado, which Salma Hayek was also in. Yeah, and he was in it too.
    43:47
    Yes, he's the brother. Yes. The Rapist Brother. Okay. Oh, my. Yeah. All right, moving on. Yes, moving on.
    43:58
    Let's see. I'm almost through all the news. I mean, there's not much here. The last call for Stern Home Editions.
    44:05
    Twippy voting. It was their second movie. First one was Desperado. Desperado, which has nothing to do with that song. The second one was Dustal Dawn. So that was their second movie. She was also in that, what was it? Was it Wild Wild West? Wild Wild West and Dogma. Yeah. Dogma I haven't seen in a while. That's a good movie.
    44:27
    That's what I should put down on my list for what I need to watch this week. There you go. What you need to, he has a list. I do. I'm old. I don't remember anything. Uh-huh. You're lucky I remember your name. Yes, Bob. Bruce. Hey, Bill. Hi, hi, Mr. Bill. Hi. Oh, no. How about we go for some ball bag? I like to have some ball bag. Yeah, we got a lot of stuff in the ball bag. Oh, yes, I do.
    44:57
    All right. I'm in the ball bag right now, Bruce. Oh, my. Here we go. This is from Jeff. Hi, Jeff. He says, hi, guys. Ron, you should know and Bruce. Ron, you should know. Ron, you should know, and Bruce is way out there on the movie named Ready Player One. Movie is okay, but it is based on a book with the same name. The book is ten times better than the movie, and I will prove it.
    45:28
    Ready Player One Challenge. Ron to watch Ready Player One. Bruce and Ron to read Ready Player One. Then discuss which is better and by what factor. This could be a new segment for you, reviewing movies and the scripts they are based on. Carry on, guys. Well, you got to first watch the movie, Ron. No. You think you could do that? No. Because here's the deal. Number one, this will reflect negatively upon me. I don't read much. I have a way for you to do this stuff. Especially fiction. I really don't. I have no interest. Audible. And the movie, again, I am kind of anti-nostalgia at this point. So if you're making movies with 80s references in it that's supposed to be nostalgic, that will actually turn me off at this point. I'm sick of it. Oh, it's really good, though. I'm so sick. It is really good. So, you know, I read this email, so I did the next best thing, the thing I always do. You go on YouTube and watch the – No, no, no. You go to Wikipedia, and you just read the entire plot summaries. Okay, and? And I read the one for the book, and then I read the one for the movie, and I have to agree, yes, the book sounded better. The book sounded way better. But you don't have to read the book. Audible. uh yeah supposedly there's a version that will wheaton will wheaton will read to you yes i've listened to it that's right we're reading we're reading this to you no to give you an idea like i i have no interest in watching this movie yet i just saw a trailer for that movie about santa was it violent night where santa just like evil bastard no he's not evil no no he's like a hero, but he kills all the bad guys like an old 80s action movie, and I'm totally on board. Yep. No, not me.
    47:18
    Ready Player One is definitely better. It is. It's not going to be better than Santa killing people. I'm sorry. I'm coming to your house. We're going to put a copy in your video thing. Yes, we're going to watch it. No, I'm not watching Ready Player One. Yes. No, I'm not. Yes. You're going to lose people if you don't do it. You're going to lose people? We're going to lose people. People are going to be so turned off by your negative attitude, Ron. Ron doesn't read? Fuck him. Yeah. I read manuals and stuff. Okay. What do we got here?
    47:51
    This is from Zane. Hi, Zane. Ron and Bruce. The subject is Hello from the Past. He's going back in time. I've been a listener to the podcast for the past two years and decided to go back in time. gotta go back in time no no no that's that's 80s that's 80s history that you're going back to as nostalgia so you just ruined and did a wrong thing on your own self you did it's the actual movie bruce i would actually watch the delorean back to the future the actual movie is in ready back ready player one so guess what of course it is bruce so you said that's cheesy and decided to go back in time and start at the very beginning of the podcast i stopped listening to the current episodes oh no as i am hammering away to catch back up so the past two months of shows i know nothing about oh i'm currently listening to episode 73 yes i made it that far wow the enjoyment is getting to listen to your guests and guesses some whom i know went from youthful exuberance about pinball to working for the industry slash Tim balls, as well as your guessing of everything from what will the next pin title be and what manufacturer is or isn't going to make it. I would like to congratulate you for, uh, for from the very beginning, not hesitating to shit on deep room.
    49:23
    Well, you know, brother, it's been a while since, well, actually, since you're listening to the old episodes, dude, you're going to hear Robert Mueller, brother. Yes. I'm in prison right now I'm getting butt fucked as we're talking brother is he in prison actually no he's not he's going to be at a country club yeah I heard he got a new job and is doing okay my god how's your money doing people in the salutational spirit of the pinball princess continue to wear your opinions with honor let them not wear thin and should the wears of your hobby begin to fail remember everything can be fixed in time Live long and prosper.
    50:02
    Zane, player number 83001. Nice. I like that. Thank you. But see, we were at least shitting on them right off the bat. Yes, we were shitting on them from the beginning. We were, yeah, first-generation shitters. Yes. Jesus.
    50:21
    I wonder, we should go back. We should actually go back and see how good we were on our predictions and that kind of stuff. Mm. Like I thought Dutch Pinball was going to be failing, and they're still trucking on. They're still trucking on, Bruce. So I have to say that's a fail for me. If they stay around long enough, they will actually give everyone their game, which is amazing. That would be amazing. I would be very happy for the people waiting seven to ten years for their game. Congratulations. Yes, congratulations. Seven years later, you got your game. Have fun.
    50:52
    By the way I heard it was finally completed and it now at 1 Yes I know Jesus Christ All right This is from Corey Hi Corey Hi Bruce and Ron Just finished episode 194. I agree with Ron. Dialed in is great. Oh, God. We had it on location here in Pennsylvania pre-pandemic at Railroad Street in Linfield, Pennsylvania. I totally didn't get it at first. Most people don't. But once I understood about activating the phone modes, trying to chain multiball in with it, and bringing in the various crazy Bob modes, it all started clicking. Definitely a game with a higher learning curve. But I was sad to see it leave our local place. Because it broke down so much. Shut up. It didn't break down. We have a Quicksilver on location now, and it's awesome. The light show when you get all the letters is amazing. I hope to make it up either to level zero or the Rochester Pinball Collective at some time in 2023. Best, Corey. Thank you, Corey. Hey, where is the Rochester Pinball Collective? Yeah, where is the Rochester Pinball Collective? I'm asking you this time. No, I was asking you. No, I'm asking you this time. I don't know where it is. What the fuck?
    52:04
    349? Yes. 349 West Commercial Street, East Rochester. Sweet something. 2965. There you go. And when are you open? Yeah, when are you open? You guys change stuff around, so I don't think. We have now. So it's actually, we're always open Thursdays, except for on holidays. Some Fridays now, which last Friday, for Black Friday, we had over 50 people in the place, which was nice. I wasn't expecting for Black Friday. I was like, yeah, we'll probably get like 20, 30 people, you know, normal crowd, you know. I was like, holy crap, 50 people plus people who are just watching their kids and that kind of stuff. It was a very busy day. Very happy. very happy very happy and uh at robin saturdays get 50 games yet nope 49 that could be your gimmick it's gonna be the gimmick i actually like that it's like we have 49 games like why don't you have 50 we have 49 games this sounds so shitty and you say like oh we almost have almost 50 games no we should say 50 fucking games 50 plus no i like that better Oh, you have almost 50 games. Yeah, I know.
    53:15
    Okay, this one's from Rabia again. You remember last episode he had the crazy pinball review where the person said how the game changed his life and he met the woman of his dreams and all this other stuff because of this game. And we said it had to be, oh, yeah, he was not cool and now he is, so we said it had to be Dr. Dude. Yes. You know what game it was? No. It was actually, he was talking about Deadpool Premium.
    53:43
    Huh? So there you go. Deadpool Premium changed his life. Wow. It's a good game. Okay. Better than Doctor Dude. Oh, God. We have to talk about this. Okay. This is from Shannon. Hi, Shannon. It's a subject. Spooky pinball question.
    54:01
    Oh, hold on. Hold on. Let me get my detective hat on because I got to figure out how to fix something in a fucking spooky. Let's go. they're very helpful bruce oh they're very helpful on their terms what does that mean every other fucking pinball manufacturer besides two who i gripe about all the time and i'm going to gripe about them again do not have their manuals spooky and haggis haggis needs to get on the ball also because they have no manuals for their shit they've been talking about code for freaking uh fathom for the longest time dial nothing let's see uh oh yeah shannon says hello guys happy holidays to you question for ron after the experience you had with your tna would you be open to purchasing another spooky title again or what would need to change improve Bruce, same question. What would get you over the hump? Thank you both, Shannon. Three things. Well, for me, sure, I'd buy another one. I'd buy an Alice Cooper. I'd buy an Alice Cooper used, yes. But a new one. They got rid of the hot glue. The hot glue's gone. So that's good.
    55:19
    Get rid of the servo motors. They suck. They're useless. Yeah, you actually have more. I mean, my TNA, I had issues with. I had to replace the audio cable because it was just bad out of the box. Yeah, I had that brief run of plate fields they had that actually had issues. I, of course, had one of those. Yep. I had bad timing on that one. The hot glue, the connectors coming off. Yep. They need to make more wiring, you know, a little longer so the wires aren't so stretched now. I mean, on mine, you could see where they fit mechs multiple times. Like, they were trying it. Like, they put it here, and then they moved it, and then they moved it. Yeah. I would say kind of clean that stuff up. Yeah. Manuals. Need to fucking get the word out and put manuals out. There's more manuals for TNA than any other. That's because they're on Scott Denise's site. Exactly, but nothing else past that. Nothing else.
    56:13
    Nothing. Zip, zero, except for a rubber ring kit. Ooh, wow. Thanks, guys. Have you checked recently? Maybe they're there now. Yes, I have. We did it this week. Oh. Because we were looking for Halloween. Ah. the game's been out a year and a half and there's no manual uh rick and morty two and a half oh wow yeah i'm sorry piss poor piss fucking poor you can quote me on that one that should be our new t-shirt say spooky piss fucking poor no if you just have piss poor they would just think that means the podcast it's piss poor nope we just go right to the straight to the straight to the point but uh literally that would have to change there's no servo motors and no 3d printing crap that's the three things i would have to see changed for spooky halloween is a disaster it really is and longer wiring in your wiring looms you know don't make it so the the wiring barely gets to the connector one of these days the wire is going to break and then you're going to be screwed and that's what's causing some of the breakage is being so tight theme won't even help me with this this company right now because when i told my wife about uh scooby dooby doo where are you my wife's went eyes went really big and i said yeah spookies are releasing it and she went oh she goes i guess we're not getting that one i was like nope i'd get it to buy it and sell it that's probably my idea that would be the only way i'd buy a spooky if to buy it just to sell it but what happens if i had no 3d printed parts i had a manual it didn't break all the time and it was a good game would you buy it yes there you go there you go only these only these critical ideas needed or or actually have rules that don't actually lock up the game and reboot it uh rules well yes yeah it is so weird that a year later a year and a half yeah later then someone else takes the game over to finish it up that's so weird to me let's see if they've actually put out that code that they talked about what code they talked about i thought the halloween the halloween code is out which we did update and didn't do shit oh but yeah The only thing I have, oh, they finally do a Switch Target Now list because I guess they heard about me complaining about that. Oh, it was all you, I'm sure. The Pinotaur board layout switch options. See? Color wires. They have documentation. You apologize.
    58:57
    Okay. Go look at their documentation on their game support page and you're going to laugh. I'm being honest, Ron.
    59:04
    This is piss poor. Okay. And on Rick and Morty, still nothing. But look at the page. If you go to – Oh, you're going to force me to look at it, aren't you? Yes, game support. I'm not going to stop talking until you do it now. Oh, boy. Okay.
    59:20
    Hey, we got the Halloween rules flow chart. That's important. So scroll down. I do like their little spooky pinball. The best pinball company in Benton, Wisconsin. That's pretty funny. Yeah, the only fucking one. That's pretty funny. Come on. All right. I'm looking at – we got a rules flow chart. Ooh. We got a rubber ring chart. We have a switch chart. Yeah, finally. A printable switch chart and a coil wiring chart. Yep. And a Pinnatar board layout. Yeah. That's it. What do they need extra, Bruce? What do they need to appease you? A full manual. Containing what? Everything. Diagrams of the parts, servo motor part numbers, everything. What's so hard about that? I guess it must be really hard. Maybe they don't know how to write in Benton, Wisconsin and read.
    60:13
    Okay, Bruce. This is ridiculous. The game – now go down further. Go past Ultraman. Yes, sir. And go to Rick and Morty. Uh-huh. What's that say? How to update code. How to update the code with a video. That's all it has. Wait a minute. Does it have a rubber ring thing at all? No. Oh. Bummer. and then you go below that and you have look oh there's a manual for alice cooper's nightmare castle and a code update and then you go down oh and there's documentation for due to nuclear annihilation and code updates and america's most haunted you get almost everything yeah actually america's most haunted has the most stuff so you know what that means it'll just take five or six years and then everything will be out there yep yeah great you're just not patient oh fuck yeah That's got to be it.
    61:03
    Terrible. Okay, Bruce. Terrible. All right. We're going to move on? We can move on. I didn't bring it up. The customer. Our customer? Our customer. The listener brought it up. They're not customers, Bruce. That would animate that we're getting paid, which we know that can never happen. Nope. We do the free. Yes. Bruce busts on people for free, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, I do. let's see this one's from oh mike mike winnie hi mike winnie our guest says hey guys thanks again for having me on the last episode i had a blast however in retrospect i feel that i need to issue a couple of corrections and clarifications uh-oh uh-oh it can't be about us let's see i actually think dialed in is the greatest game ever okay it doesn't say that um no never would say that I talked about, okay, number one, I talked about the pinball room in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, but I forgot to mention exactly what it was. It is basically run like a co-op. There are five or six of us that have pulled machines together to fill the place. Some of us only have one or two machines, and some of us have four or five machines. We do it for the social aspect and to share our machines with the public. and while getting a bit of coin drop is a perk, it is not the main goal of the operation.
    62:30
    Okay. Let's see. Two, I mentioned that I thought that Godzilla might be a little overrated. That was a mistake. But I didn't say why. So before everyone kills me, it may happen, my main gripe with Godzilla is the repetitive right ramp, left ramp to light battle mechanic. Not anymore. Since battle does not start lit, every single game my opening move is the same. Plunge for the skill shot, then try to combo right ramp, left ramp, scoop. Every game, every time. I don't mind having to do that to relight the scoop, but doing it ball one every game feels grindy to me. Pins like Iron Maiden, Jurassic Park, and Rush basically let you hit almost any combination of shots to get the first mode qualified. This makes the opening of each game feel less grindy, and some other pins even just start with a mode ready to go. I think either way is preferable to the way Godzilla handles it. Well, they fixed that.
    63:24
    See, he spoke and... They listened, yes. Keith listened. You can hit either ramp now. Yes. You still have to hit two shots, but you can just hit the same ramp twice if you want. It doesn't matter. Yes.
    63:37
    Also, if you ever have me on again, we need to remember to talk Beavis and Butthead. I've been loving the new episodes. Yeah. Dicks cool. What the hell, Bruce? You've been really negative this episode. It's the morning. See, I'm wide awake now. You know, the positiveness of propane and propane accessories.
    63:59
    Okay. That empties out the ball bag. Let's see. What else do I got here? Well, I'll plug Silver Ball Chronicles. I already mentioned that. Yep, already done. Can't do it again. I can't do it again. Ball bag did that.
    64:16
    Website info. We'll save that for the end. Repairs. I'll get mine out of the way quickly. Okay, go for it. I finally got off my lazy ass and started working on the Surf at Safari.
    64:29
    Yeah. Their play field mount, see, they were ahead of the game in certain ways, in that even though this game is 1991 and both Daddies and Williams still didn't have the thing where you could actually pull the play field out. Yes. On a college, you can. Yes, you can. Actually, they had that even in the 80s. Yes. And they even have brackets so you can rest it down so you can pull the thing out. It's cool. The problem is the other way you lift it up on the pivot, at least on a Williams one, when you lift it up, you can lift it all the way up and it will be vertical so the play field will sit there. Yes. On this, it makes it so it doesn't go exactly vertical. You can't get it all the way up, so it won't stay up. It's very tippy. You have to use the prop rod or do what I do. I put a band around it to keep it stuck to the back box so it won't fall on my head. Yep, that's what we had to do for a couple other machines. Yeah, I got to complain about that. Gottlieb. Yeah, maybe it's their manual. Maybe they describe it in their manual how to do it. Jesus.
    65:40
    I think the title of the episode is going to be Where's the Manual? Where's the manual?
    65:49
    So I ripped the thing apart, and I had the one light that wasn't working, and it's one of the ones on the big plastic ramp. There's multiple big plastic pieces. They're straight. Yeah. They're straight. So the one light wasn't working because the wire fell off, which you can't see unless you actually take the whole thing off. Of course. But then the other, there is a flasher that has no wires connected to it. Yes, there is. No, but there should be. There should be wires connected, but it's missing. And I can see the connector underneath the plate fill that's supposed to go in, but it's not. So I'm going to have to wire that up. Cross-cutting. No. Cross-cutting. I'm going to have to wire – no. Yeah, no. It fell off at some point. You can see where the solder was there. The wires must have came off. Probably when someone pulled the thing out, they never disconnected it, so they just ripped it out and just never bothered to fix it. Fuck this. So, yeah, and that one particular socket's pretty loose. So I'm guessing, yeah, they probably just pulled the shit out of it and then like, oh, crap. Shit, that happens? Yeah, and then they never fixed it. So I'm going to have to fix that. I'll say the mechs are nice. Oh, the mechs are very good. The flippers suck. The mechs are nice. Yes. Those drop target mechs. Drop targets are actually really easy.
    67:07
    They're the easiest drop target mechs. Fully adjustable. Yep. The two springs. Yep, two springs are nice until you lose one. their games might not a lot of the games might not be the greatest but man you can't fault the construction no i agree so i've i had to start a parts list of all the shit i need oh boy so get the deal with pbr i like we always do well yeah hopefully they're taking emails well maybe not with the holiday now the holiday's coming up you know yeah if the one guy that does the emails is off and it forces me to call that would suck because i need to get this thing i need to get this thing working before the bells tournament that's going to be at my house on december 17th which i wish i can go out to but i can't i would help the the you know with repairs and that kind of stuff but i am going to be at a concert oh is that the uh no that's that next week is uh steel panther oh okay oh what concert is this this is almost queen and uh yellow brick road so it's Yellow. So it's a Elton John slash Queen tribute groups. Okay. All right. Oh, yeah. Elton John. That's going to be Steve Richie's next game, supposedly. That's what I heard. Goodbye, Yellow. Goodbye, Stern. Fuck you. You goddamn cocksuckers, too. The funny thing is, I had heard that rumor like a year ago. Yeah. And I didn't really believe it then, but I had heard it from pretty reliable sources. Like when I said, no, that can't be right. Like, no, it's right. Like, that just seems so not, that's so not Steve Ritchie. We're just going to put that Wizard of Oz play field back in the game, and then it's going to have their yellow brick road in it. We're all set. Where's my Top Gun, damn it?
    68:57
    I mean, I could see him doing Top Gun. That would be great. I know on the Super Awesome Pinball Show, they had Gomez on, And he did describe some of Steve Ritchie's Bond play field before they scrapped it. And? It was going to have four flippers. It had the fork turnaround thing like on Star Wars. He brought that back.
    69:19
    Highway to the danger zone. Yeah, but I went through it. There's a lot of missing screws and things like that. I got to, you know, I'm replacing and stuff like that. But overall, shouldn't be much of a problem. Should be pretty easy. Your Gottlieb 4A into, is that the ADB or is that a System 3? That's a System 3. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that's all I got for repairs. I'm sure you have more. Countdown, the upper flippers are rebuilt from my PBR order. My lower flippers are next, and then countdown will be done. The touch-ups are all done. It's been cleared over. we are good on countdown. So you'll be able to grab it whenever you want, Ron.
    70:08
    No, you won't. The games is out of the area. Also, that is completely finished. It's downstairs. Which, which, which game? The games. Again, I know you have more than one game, Bruce, but which one? The games. Bones. Yeah. You turn it to shadow. The games, the games are on the wing of the plane. just every shatnerism at once exactly i am tj hooker oh i'm sorry everyone forgets that oh i love tj hooker the whole the intro where he's just running at the camera yes that's probably the best cardio of his career over hoods yeah hey that was actually him i'm like star star trek where it was a stuntman every time there was a fight seat bad I'm 40 now. I can roll over cars.
    71:05
    I've got to keep my job. I've got to be able to do something. What other repairs did you make? So those two are done.
    71:16
    JT's heavy metal meltdown is done. Thank God. Oh, I love heavy metal meltdown. Heavy, heavy, metal, metal. Heavy, heavy, heavy.
    71:27
    We even fixed his play field. The big insert was raising out of it, and we glued that down. There's no help for that play field, though. That play field is pretty smoked. Does it have a topper? It does have a topper on it. Oh, my God. It's got the boombox topper. No, no. The way that that topper is flexing the head so bad that you can't even get the back glass out of it.
    71:49
    Which had a bigger topper? Was it that, or was it Dungeons & Dragons? Dungeons & Dragons was bigger. That and Gottlieb's lights camera action with the big two-heat lamp. Ready. Oh, yeah. Action. How about Titoff? That's a tall. Titoff's not that big. No, not as tall as that. No. Okay. When you actually fold down Dungeons & Dragons and everything like that, the topper is almost over the lockdown bar. Wow. Yeah, it's that big.
    72:21
    It is huge. What were they thinking? These places must be big. You know, big open operations. Let's put this up.
    72:30
    So that's done. We have Adam's family in the shop right now. He came in with a couple issues. He wants us to tear it down, re-rubber it, re-plastic it. I mean, not re-rubber. Re-plastic it? You're going to re-plastic it? Well, he's got a couple broken plastics, so we're going to try to get a plastic kit. and he wants us to clean the play field and put an external battery holder on it and a new flipper rebuild kit for the bottom. You have some play. And then after that, we're going to be having a transporter come in and I'm going to be working on a Medusa next weekend. Ooh, zipper flippers. Yeah, last remnants of the zipper flipper.
    73:11
    Yay. So we'll see what happens there. All excited about that. I have an RPC note here. What's that? It says Bruce is still not retired. What does that mean? Okay, this is the funny thing. So after my terrible performance at the 24 hours, I said I'm done. Again. So, unfortunately, we had a tournament at the RPC. Unfortunately? No, no. Listen. You didn't have to play in it. Well, I did to get the number even.
    73:42
    Okay. We had 11 players. and even after what you know zach's like do you want to play i'm like i'm really not interested i i'm going to say no okay okay and they're looking around they're like we got 11 i'm like well just put me in then and i played yep and this is a tournament at rpc so zach always wins uh only one person has beaten him before this person raymond davidson also beat him so So you need to be one of the top players in the world to beat Zach at RPC, obviously. Actually, that's not true. There was that one league thing you guys did where you got eliminated early. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's true, too. But we'll forget that. That never happened. Never happened. No, no, no, no, no. It didn't go into the RPA. Okay.
    74:31
    But this time, I gave Zach three of four strikes. It was a four-strikes tournament. I was El Fuego. Only got two strikes.
    74:42
    Yep. You were the last two. Yep. And on Stargate, did he pick Stargate? No, it wasn't Stargate. Oh, no, we played Stargate. Nobody picked any games. It was all picked by. Oh, auto-picked. Yes, auto-picked. So Stargate, we played. He lost a point on that. It was one I gave him. The second one was Sky Jump.
    75:02
    I beat him on. And the third one, Starship Troopers. Oh, Starship Troopers. Yeah, that was the last game I beat him on. Which you like. I crushed him. He's like, how the hell did you get – I had like the first ball, he had like 3 million, 5 million points. He didn't get to start multiball. When I came after first ball, my first ball, I had 125 million.
    75:24
    He's like – you can just see his frustration like, really? I understand your frustration. And I had like 170 million at the end, and he had like 55 or 60. No, he had about 75 million. He came back. He had got orbit multiball.
    75:37
    But nobody realizes how good of a game that is. anyone but Zach yeah so if you need to play Zach in a tournament Starship Troopers and the reason why I got beat so bad I play so good on that because I got beat so bad one time at Papa and I was like I gotta learn this game and I did nice yep so no there's the motto still stands it's anybody but Zach anyone but Zach but there's now two people who have beaten him at RPC. And it's the first time I ever won at RPC. So congratulations, retired Bruce. Retired Bruce is loving it Okay you had something Your thing is last This is something we usually do with guests but yes it is These are obviously so awesome Bruce could not wait Yep you know me So would we or would we not buy that Yes. There's so many good ones today, I just couldn't pass it up. What do we do, Rod? What do we do? Get on eBay. Go to eBay.com. It doesn't matter if you're driving, where you are, on an airplane. Use Siri.
    76:48
    Siri. open up ebay and put the following code in the search box are you ready i'm ready everyone else ready yeah yeah ticket number 195 485037249 this is a good dig this is a very good dig oh god okay well i'm just laughing says pinball machine bacardi libre yes what the hell is this you don't remember it's 350 dollars yep pennsylvania it's like a box it's a box if you look further down you'll see it set up oh pinball machine bacardi only 300 made ever. They are brand new and boxed still.
    77:42
    They were district... So, Bacardi had a... Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes. Had a pinball company make these. The booze thing. Yes. And they made... They hired Highway Pinball to make these. Oh, yeah. It says ultra-rare machine-manufactured... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Bacardi. Yes. The booze. The rum. Yeah, but they are... What are they? Oh, they're Cuban. Yes, they're cuba they're based out of puerto rico they originally were cuba then it got pasted out of puerto rico see ultra rare uh picardy cuba libre machine purchased by uk-based highway pinball under license and a contract with picardian company this baffle ball game was manufactured by highway in 2014 interesting so actually they did put something out besides uh the motorcycle game. Yeah, so besides Full Throttle and Alien, they actually put out this game, Bacardi Libre. And this is one you can afford, people. Yeah, it's only $350. $350, brand new in box. Wow. Would you or would you not buy this?
    78:53
    Honestly, if you were some kind of psycho who had all the highway games... You'd have to buy it. It'd be like, no one else has this. Yep. I actually like it. I'd buy this. for 350 bucks we found a highway game you would buy i found a highway game because it has bacardi okay okay see that's a weird one see i thought you'd like that one yeah all righty for the next one sure it is uh 255 845 520 435 classic okay i don't know if you have it here because of the game or because of the led treatment oh it's both so we have a gottlieb ice fever which is the one i think this is the one you can light the spinner and it stays lit yes so it's all like hitting the spinner it's all yeah there's spinner all day spinnery uh 18 1800 yeah it's working and it's working and it's clowned the pictures of it off look better of it on because on it is full clown not full clown because if the back plastic was clowned up then you'd say it's full clown it's weird clown because the whole bottom of the playfield is red but then the top kind of looks normal except the pop bumpers look weird yeah they're very weird back glass looks good playfield's got a lot of wear you know let's see golly vice fever working, plays with no issues. New O-Rings. Ooh, I need those O-Rings. They don't make many of this title. Cabinet is in great shape for being a 1985 been-in-the-family for many of years.
    80:45
    I have only been here a short distance. I understand your frustration. I have only been here a short distance.
    80:57
    A lot of wear by the right slingshot, which they do wear there a lot. And down the middle of the scoring post, you know, the display for the scoring. He took the plate field glass off. He did.
    81:12
    That's a plus on your side. That's a plus on my side right there. I like the upper in lanes, though. The upper in lanes are very weird. I've never seen that before. What do you mean, upper in lanes? The upper lanes? there's no plastic guides there. Oh, yeah. They look like they're missing. They're missing completely. And the rubber, they're not supposed to have posts there. Yeah, wait a minute. I see. Wait a minute. The holes are for the lights, right? Yes. So the ball can just hit. Well, actually, there's no lights in there right now. There's no lights in there, but yeah. So there's missing parts they probably don't realize are missing. Yes. Okay. Cute, huh?
    81:49
    The art's bad, too. Oh, it's terrible. It's almost like blocky Williams art. Yeah. um 1800 no no nope nope nope nope it is in new jersey it is new jersey next one are you ready for sure this one's a deal i'm gonna say this one is the deal of the day deal today you heard it here ticket number three five four four one four 619-108 Data East Time Machine Pinball Factory Pinball Machine Factory Original Parts So it's parts.
    82:35
    Starting bid 99 cents. No reserve. Mm-hmm. It's like a full time machine cabinet. Yep. Cabinet with legs and side rails and backboard and all the other pieces. It's pretty much free, really. Just go and pick it up. Exactly. Yeah. For 99 cents? Yeah.
    82:58
    There you go. Anybody wants a homebrew for, like, you know, building a cabinet? Boom. Here's your cabinet. Bethesda, Maryland. Yep. 99 cents.
    83:10
    It's literally saying, come take my shit. Yeah, because it's been sitting around for 30 years. Yep. I think that's the deal of the day right now. Yeah.
    83:20
    I would buy that. Sure. You know, you get four stern legs on there. They're pretty beat up, but who cares, you know? Stern, you mean data east legs. Same thing, same thing, same everything.
    83:32
    But good deal. Agree? Yeah, I agree. All right. A couple more. Ticket number 125-632. 1-3-3, 5-2-4. We have a Bally Star Trek. Works great.
    83:58
    Starting bid $1,100. Buy it now at $1,800. Picture is weird. It looks fake, but it isn't. Yeah. They cropped out everything and made it just white. So it looks like a stock art piece. Which it's not. When you actually look at it, you can see all the wear on the play field and stuff. Yep. And it's got wear.
    84:25
    Got a whole lot of wear. A whole lot of wear. But for $1,100 for a pinball machine that's working in Denver?
    84:38
    Yeah, all the scores are on. Yep. Yeah, they actually have it on where you can see all the scores are working. Yep, and the glass is off, too. Again, a bonus. See the edges for wear and tear.
    84:49
    All it needs is a new paint job. Get a play field, $600, $700, there you go. Back glass looks good, too.
    85:00
    Yeah, it's all right for, you know, for $1,100. You know, or you offer them something, you know, you try to lowball them, you know. Hey, you never know.
    85:09
    That's not a bad deal. What would you say? I love this game. I don't know why. Spa. Okay. 275-490-191-862.
    85:29
    Ah, the bullshit one. Playboy. Pinball machine. 1978. I'm sure Stu would like this. Oh, yes. He won the 1978 Playboy Launch Party Championship on this very game. I don't know if it's this particular game here. It is in Newberry Park, California, and it's only $9,995.
    85:56
    Does it come with a Playboy bunny? You would think so. It's fully restored. This is where they have like five, six paragraphs of stuff to tell you how much work they did to justify how expensive it is. Yeah, Too Bad is not fully restored because it's the original play field that is pretty bad. If you look by her legs, by the kickouts, you can see just the cracking in the play field pretty bad.
    86:22
    Coindor looks good. Coindor looks great. I love the combination lock thing. Yes, I love those. That is interesting. I don't know if I've ever seen that. Yeah.
    86:33
    The funny thing is, look at his name. I'm still looking at the play field here. Okay. Black Robber. Just think, the one on the left was Jimmy Connors' girlfriend. I know.
    86:48
    I mean, play field looks good to me. The cracking on the left girl's leg. You can see the lines in the play field. It still looks better than most of the ones I've seen. Not for $99,000. Not for $10,000. And the shipping is $1,000. Exactly. You see his name yet? Oh, God. I can't trust him. It's Joey Zuzu. It's Joe Zuzu. Now, that's an 80s reference. Yeah.
    87:19
    Hi, I'm Joey Zuzu. Yeah. For Zuzu had these commercials with this guy. It was fucking funnier than hell. And it was funnier as hell. It's almost like the guy from the insurance company, you know, Mayhem. Oh, Mayhem? Yeah, I love those commercials. But he was just like, and it would have a little text underneath it, don't trust him, he's lying. You know, as he's talking, this is the greatest deal ever. And he'll say, no, it's not. And the bot, it's stuff. Yes. Look it up. It's on YouTube. It is. It's awesome. No, I would not buy this. Neither would I. Not for 10 grand. No. That's crazy. A couple more. Okay.
    88:00
    364-042-696-476. Hmm. Oh, I got Ravalo. One of my guilty pleasures. Supersonic. Yes, one of your guilty pleasures. Supersonic. It's the anti-Steve Ritchie game. It's left flipper only. Yes. It's like, take the right flipper off and remove it. Yep. it's in vancouver washington twelve hundred dollars what do we got i don't know you it's super fun it's super fun supersonic pinball machine it's working great supersonic electronic electronic the play is it working great the play is it looking great the play well the play field on this game has significant wear which you won't mind once you start playing oh of course not great classic playing layout i play it for about two hours every day it wait a minute it will reboot once every 60 games you just turn it on and off and it will go for a few more hours that's why he's only playing two hours straight because i have to reboot it maybe once a day do you leave it on all day dude i hope not strong flippers everything works great. The game is violent and I've got to remember this one. The game is violent and noisy.
    89:23
    That sounds like something Steve Ritchie would say. My game is violent and noisy. Now, it has a stern part in it, which is good. Can you find the stern part? Can I find the stern part?
    89:35
    Let's see if I can get to some pictures. Cabinets got lots of wear. Oh my god. This thing is beat. Oh, my. Wait a minute. How does he? No wonder he only has 300K. The left flipper is pointing towards the out hole. I know. Holy shit.
    89:53
    It's got like bally translucent flippers in it for some reason. Yeah, I know. Like you'd find in a. But there's a stern partner. There's a stern part. Find the stern part, boys and girls.
    90:08
    He's pointing at a connector. Yes, that's the connector. I guess he's talking about the reset it maybe or reconnect it. No, Bruce, I don't know what the part is. What are you talking about? Maybe I should leave it for our friends at the show, and then they can find it. But I'll explain it to you right now. Is it the legs? No, not the legs. It's actually in the play field. I'm looking at the play field. The drop targets are bally. The spinner is a bally. The flippers are probably bally. Okay, look at the lower pump bumper.
    90:38
    Uh-huh. Right in front of it, there's a target. Uh-huh. What target is that? Are you saying that's a stern target? That's a stern dragon fist style target because it's supposed to have the white targets. Ball ballies use the... Oh, it's the... They use the... It's a circular target. This is like rectangular. You got it. It's the dragon fist. So you should buy that just to get the target? You got it.
    91:03
    And you can have a little fist in your life. Oh, God. $1,200. No. It is worn to fucking hell. Yeah. Oh, here we go. 404-007-234-731.
    91:25
    It is a Bally Blackwater 100. Some of the most plastic ever in a game. Mm-hmm. 3,600. Yeah. Let's see. it's been home use since 2007. I wish they would just stop with that. I know. It was home use since the first 20 years. It was not. No, but hey, it's been pampered for the past 15.
    91:52
    Let's see. The game was playing great as it should until the start gate solenoid failed. I have not had the chance to replace this yet. Then why list it? Exactly. If you had time to list it, you had time to replace it. I don't care. Why would you list it? Like, I'm listening to this, but I haven't had time to fix it yet. Yeah. I don't understand why you would do that. Yeah, it's lovely, isn't it?
    92:15
    It is crazy, the amount of plastic. It's on this game. Yeah. And with the glass on it, it's really reflect-y.
    92:22
    It does have it all for some of the pictures. And it has an insert that says, sucking. It does. That alone is awesome. And then the flipper up on the apron. Yeah, I know. I love that. I like the game, not for this price.
    92:38
    If it was 21, I'd be up for it. Yep. I'll go with you on that one. Okay. Two more. Uh-huh. Ticket number 325-432-784-888.
    92:59
    Junior! I knew that was coming. It's Dale Earnhardt Jr. Yeah. Come on. It's a Dale Earnhardt Jr. NASCAR pinball machine. It's an LE. Only $5,000. It's a $5,000 LE. How many times have you said that in your life? Yeah.
    93:19
    It's like the cheapest LE you can buy. LEDs, all new rubber. Everything works 100%. Looks pretty. Oh, yeah, it's got the chrome. Yep. It's all chrome. That's how they were when they came factory.
    93:35
    For somebody new into the hobby, it's a pretty good game. Let's see. It looks good. Yeah. It's the cheapest LE you can buy. Yeah. 600. That'd be good trivia. How many games were there in the Dale Earnhardt Jr. run? The answer is 600. Yes. I don't know if they made all 600, but... Would you buy that? I wouldn't, but some people might. Yeah, I agree.
    94:04
    Okay, one last one. This is the last one. The last one. Okay, we're all about laughing here. We're going to end on a high laughing note. Yes. 175-502-773-945.
    94:28
    It's a high-speed pinball machine. Yes. $2,000. But the condition is the best part. The condition says, battery damage to CPU board. Not working. Haven't been used for some time. CPU damaged by battery.
    94:44
    So you're going to need a new CPU. Well, you can't because it's System 9. No, it's not. System 11. Is it System 11? System 11. That's right. It's the first one. It's Steve Ritchie. They always do the first one. I'm the innovator. First System 7. First System 11. First Sam game. Play better, asshole. So what's so funny about this game?
    95:09
    The topper? Is that just on the top of the game or is it connected? I wish I knew. Instead of the beacon, it's got six lights. Yeah, if you think of like Mr. Rogers, the traffic light, but except with six lights instead. And none of them are red. I can't tell. It's not centered on the top, so I can't even tell if it's connected. No. And there's no displays. There's no displays in this thing either. They're all missing. So the displays are missing. The topper is some bizarre thing that's not actually the beacon. The CPU is melted or battery acid damaged.
    95:52
    All for two grand. Two grand? It could be yours. The price is wrong, Bob. That's funny. It is. Yeah, that's funny. What the hell happens when it goes off? Well, actually, nothing happens because it won't boot. It won't go off. And you don't have no displays to see it either, so you're kind of screwed both ways. You know, we don't have any displays, and the topper doesn't work. What can we do? Well, just tell them the CPU doesn't work so you can't boot it anyway. Yeah, boot it anyway. Great. Okay. Wow. Yeah, two grand. No. no no no no no you don't even get the sound and that's all for would you or would you not buy it now and buy it now and that's all folks alright got anything else Bruce nope I got nothing except for I do have a couple things yes I do I've got nothing except I actually have a couple things I have a piece of paper What does Bruce want everyone to help him out buying with? We got four things. What does Bruce want? I don't even know what you just said, but is this like for Christmas? No, I need these games to be found so I can buy them. Radical?
    97:10
    No, that's the extreme extreme. Oh, so there's less extreme. Yes, exactly. Okay. Hold on, I got to get the pen working. Hold on. Okay, here we go. Radical. Okay, I forgot that one. Bad Girls. rotation 8 we need somebody to hook us up with a rotation 8 a back glass for the games ok because that guy is on crack on ebay and Bruce is getting old I need an escalera I found people escaleras in the past now somebody's got to find one for me the loser kids those boys I found them one they need to find me one now I need me an escalera Bruce is getting old Mm-hmm. Plugging the games down to a new basement without an elevator sucks. Moose balls. Oh, yeah. You don't have the dumbwaiter anymore. The dumbwaiter. Yes. I can call it an elevator now because I don't own a house anymore. Yeah.
    98:07
    Got to pass code. Thanks to the Triple Drain guys, they basically recommended us to host the Twippies. Good. And I'm not doing that. Yes, you would. No, I would not. Yes, you would in a second. I know you would. I would not. Wait a second. You would for two reasons. Two. One. Well, actually, one, you'd be able to do all the voices you want. You wouldn't be yourself.
    98:31
    Okay. Second, you'd see me in a tux. That would be interesting. See? So this actually – I would rent the tux that actually look spiffy. I'd have to rent tux also because I don't have tux. I would buy your tux for you. I'd rent you a tux for that. Oh, I would rent you a tux, yes. But not the fluffy like Liberace one. You would actually be able to pick what you want to do. The fluffy Liberace one? Like Liberace, you know, like Seinfeld where they had the fluffy. I don't know. That's before my time, Bruce. Sorry. Yeah, it's got to be it. Yeah, yeah. It's got to be it.
    99:06
    But yes, I would do that. So if anyone wants to, you know, I don't know why they haven't called us yet. The Twippies guys should be calling us. They've called some people, but we weren't one of the ones called. I know, and he can't do it. So we need now to go to the B-level guys, which is us. The P-level guys. Bargain. We are the bargain price guys. No. We're already going there. You said you might not be going there. I would go for that. We would both be dressed up so sweet. No, I am not hosting the Twippy Spirits. You would love to do it. I would not do it. You would not have to do it. You could go as Stu McVicker. I would.
    99:40
    What do you mean? Stu McVicker is a different guy, Bruce. I don't know who you're talking about. I know that, but you get him to go in your place. Rumor has it he's going to be streaming soon. He wants to play Mike Godzilla on stream. Oh, there you go. But I think we should definitely, if we have to, I can pull up our half of the team, and I can get Stuart to come with me.
    99:57
    Okay. Yes. But thank you very much, Triple D. Thank you, guys. I'd love to see us go on there. Come on. Ask. No, don't ask. Don't ask. This has been Episode 196.
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    We are the Slam Tilt Podcast. We can be reached at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. check out our website www.slamtillpodcast.com look in the upper right hand corner all our links are there i think that covers all the plugs hi fun with bonus hi zach hi everyone in the cluster valk cluster fuck chat uh anything else i think we've covered all our bases if you like this ultra negative version of bruce we're getting earlier in the morning just let us know I love spooky just ultra negative Bruce today yes the views expressed are those of Bruce Nightingale it may not reflect the Slam Hill podcast alright thanks everybody until next time say goodbye Bruce goodbye Mike Hale
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    Oh my, oh my, you can do it if you try. Oh my, oh my, it's guaranteed to keep you alive. Oh my, oh my. Oh my