Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the flip side podcast. I'm your host retro Ralph. I am fired up for today's episode. You want to know why? Because there's some ridiculous shit going on in the pinball community right now. And we're going to talk all about it right here. Like I sometimes question if we're even adults sometimes. I'm like people are losing their frigging mind. But I'm going to I'm going to lay it all out in this episode. I might piss people off, but I don't even care anymore. I've been doing YouTube for like seven years and I'm and I'm and I'm also approaching 50 years old. I'm 46 years old. So you start to get to that. I don't give a shit anymore attitude and I'm close. I'm close. It's just some things that are just ridiculous. Like, the majority of you guys listening to this are really, really passionate about pinball. You play pinball, and it's a big part of your life, right? It is the hobby. It is the escape. It is the thing that brings you joy. So when I look around and I see people this pissed off about dumb shit, I got to talk about it. I'm fired up, man. I'm fired up. So you're getting fired up, Ralph, today. which he's in here. He just doesn't come out very often because I don't like, I don't like to be upset. You know what I mean? Because again, the hobby is supposed to bring us joy and happiness and all that stuff. So anyways, we're going to get to all that. And I know I'm going to make people mad and I'm not talking about anybody in particular. So people that are listening, I've had a couple of instances in the past where someone's like, he's talking about me. I'm not talking about you. If I was going to talk about you, I would say your name. I'm not that much of a pansy. I would say your name if I was going to talk about you personally. So anyways, before I get started, let's have a quick word from our sponsor, Flip N Out Pinball. If you're looking for, I don't know, it's getting kind of close. So this episode is coming out on December 16th, maybe 17th. It's getting a little close to buy a pinball machine for Christmas. But if you are looking for one, you could go to Zach at Flip N Out Pinball. All the information is in the video description on how to contact him. And if it's not for Christmas, he can try to find you games. There's some games coming up around the corner. There's a bunch of games coming out in 2026. So you can get on lists and all that stuff. So, ooh, excuse me. Damn. All right. A little gassy right now. So, yeah. So let's roll right into what happened over the last couple weeks. The title of the thumbnail of this episode is Woodgate. Okay. And that's because I'm going to give you the timeline, right? So I had ordered a Metallica. Sorry, not a Metallica. I ordered a Walking Dead remastered. I was excited about it, very excited about it, because I think the original Walking Dead is awesome. The code, the rules, they're great. Lyman Sheets did an amazing job, and I can't tell you that I understand all the code and the rules to the code yet, but we did an amazing livestream. If you've ever seen Pin Pals, which is Surge from Electric Bat and Kale, sometimes Rachel, she joins sometimes too, and he does like a deep dive of the code of different games so i invited them over the house which was so cool that they came up the electric pad isn't that close to my house it's like 45 minutes but it is definitely the place to go if you're in the phoenix area to play pinball you're going to be surrounded by passionate pinball players and and casual people that are finding out about pinball for the very first time or stumbling their way in there literally stumbling sometimes from the bar next door. And it's just a really great, it restores your, it restores peace for me when I consume too much content that's both, some content is really good, some content is negatively slanted. Now, I will say this, there's a place for that. There's a place for people like me who are pretty much positive people in all aspects of my life. That's just who I am. And there are some people that get super annoyed by that. They don't like that I'm a positive person. That's fine. I'm not your cup of tea. But see, I don't live my life, my everyday life, obsessing about really small details of things. If there's something that's a big deal, of course, we're going to talk about it. Of course, we're going to bring it up. But right now, the topic, by the way, let me, let me, sorry, I didn't mean to to to stop on the um the electric bat came they came to came to the house we did this awesome stream so if you're looking if you if you're looking to like maybe you never really played the first walking dead game but you're interested in in getting a walking dead now that there is one you can go to go to that live stream and and it it surge does such a great job he literally gave us objectives which were like do well walker multiball do prison multiball Here's how you qualify the crossbow. Here's how you get into modes. Here's how you get into bloodbath multiball. He explains all of it. And honestly, I didn't realize how intricate the rule set really is on The Walking Dead. So it's super helpful. And honestly, here's the thing about pinball. These games are really complex. And I'm not saying that you can't go up to any one of these games and have a really good time. But when you start to really deep dive into the code and the rules, it becomes so much more fun. And I am now in love with this game. So I went from, oh, I was enjoying it, you know, kind of cool, to holy crap, Surge just opened up my eyes to this game. He did the same thing with King Kong. I really feel like with King Kong and my buddy Sean, I have, shout out to my buddy Sean. I think his Instagram is ArcadeGamingCentral, I think is what it is. But there's so many cool things once you start to get to know the games. And I think that's what bothers me about sometimes this idea that I'm a data guy. So I don't really jump to conclusions, and I definitely don't freak out about something until I know all the details, right? So my instant reaction isn't to say, okay, I watch a trailer or I hear something, and then I freak out. That's just not me. I'm not going to react that way. I also don't like when people extreme overreact to stuff when it's not necessary. So I'm kind of teeing this all up for you right now. So sometimes in the community, there's these extreme overreactions. And I don't really understand that because a lot of times, what's the truth? And there's usually like some kind of level-headed space in the middle. And then there's the overreaction, which is way over to one side. And then there's like the reality of it. And then you put it together and you're somewhere in the middle, right? Well, when I got my Walking Dead, right, I got it. It came. It came and I was super excited. I unboxed it by myself. I was so excited. I was going to have Rudy come over, but I was like, I got it. I was too excited. So I get it. I unbox it. I'm doing my normal unboxing. I'm noticing nothing different about this game, right? It's heavy. It's on my lift. I'm moving it around. I'm doing all the things I normally do. And then when I took the lock bar off, I did notice, oh, that's weird. The wood is unfinished now on top. I wonder why. It's normally painted, right? So the wood is normally painted. That's the first thing I noticed because when you take the lock bar off, it's usually black. So the wood is painted black. So you don't really even like pay attention to it. It's almost like the black paint deletes it, right? So you don't see it. So because it's not painted, I'm like, oh, that's weird. This looks different. So then when I lift, I'm like, oh, I'm going to investigate a little bit more. So I lift the play field up and I see these metal brackets, these metal support brackets. Again, no part of me was like, this seems unstable or this seems like junk. You know what I mean? It seemed very solid. But I did notice that there was like two plies of the wood that were different. Like it was like, you know, you still had the plywood, but then there was like two plies on the outer edges. So I was like, okay, whatever. I didn't think much past it because it felt fine to me. Like it felt like every other Stern Spike 2 cabinet. And I've had like 23 of them at this point. So I think I would know. I feel like I'm somewhat qualified to go, oh, this seems fine. Or this, oh my gosh, it's so wonky and junky. But then at the same time that this is happening, so I kind of walked into it, I guess, myself. I'm a Carrie Hardy Patreon member, right? So someone asked, like, take some pictures of the cabinet. So I'm just taking pictures of the cabinet. Now, I had already discovered all this. And again, I didn't think it was a big deal. other than, okay, there's two plies of the wood that are different. The wood cabinet doesn't appear to be stapled and glued together anymore. It seems like there's a support system in there instead. That was my initial assessment of what was going on. Now, I probably am part of the cause of the shitstorm, even though that wasn't my intent, but I was like, okay, I was watching football, I think, and Kerry was like, send some pictures, or someone in his chat. I don't know if he requested it himself. So I send the pictures and I didn't think anything of it. I watched football, went back in, played some Walking Dead remasters. Now is it? Then all of a sudden it's like the world is freaking out. Now I say the world because the majority of you may have not even heard this. Right. So this might be like new information. But again, because it's not really anything to be majorly concerned about. And I'll get I'll get into that in a minute because I don't want to, you know, the instant I say anything nice, it's like you're a staring apologist. It's like stupid. It's like, no, I'm a logical person who takes data and then makes it an assumption or not makes an assumption, makes a knowledgeable, you know what? I can't even talk right now. I put together the facts and I go, OK, that's what it is. I don't freak out like it's just and I'm 46 years old. Like, I'm not going to sound like I'm freaking out right now. I'm 46. Like, I should be grown up by now that I don't freak out about everything. Right. I think I used to freak out about things like in my 20s because I didn't know how to handle my emotions. And now I do. I know how to handle things. I'm not a psycho. I'm not like, oh, my gosh, the sky is falling. Now, one could say that's being passionate. Yes, but we're all passionate about pinball. But I just think there's certain things it's like, OK, let's let's find out. Like, did did a bunch of these get delivered and there's like cracked panels and the cabinets are falling apart? Then I think we should freak out because that's not good. That means there's a major problem. But nothing of the sort was happening. so anyway so so i wake up to this this massive you know and i say massive it's the people that are complainers are the loudest right the most of us are just like reasonable people enjoying pinball and having a good time right and to me it's always been about the game like i don't really make my judgment on a game based on like the art or the backbox like sure those are things we assess and you go, I don't like the art as much. But the thing is the game. Like I'll use Kong for an example. Kong got shit all over for cabinet art and stuff. And those are valid things, right? There are certain collectors that are going to care about that. But I play the heck out of these games. I refresh my games pretty often, but I play them a lot. Like I play the crap out of them. I mean, I go to my Insider Connected. You can see how many times I'm close to like 5,000 plays. And those are games on insider, excuse me, on insider connected. Those aren't even games, you know, that aren't insider connected games. Like I have a Harry Potter, I have an evil dead. I now have a predator, which we'll talk about in a little bit. I've had an avatar, I've had a Pulp Fiction. So it's like, I play other games outside in my, my home outside of just Stern games. Although, you know, I get labeled as just being Stern all the time, which is how I started. I started with Stern because quite frankly, they're the most reliable it's easy to get parts for them it's easy to get support for them they do support their games pretty well and they do code updates pretty frequently not always they're not perfect but um they do a good job so i feel like if someone even today if someone said i want to get my first pinball machine i'd probably recommend they get a stern first and then as they get into the hobby and feel comfortable with tinkering or basic stuff they could go into maybe like a boutique manufacture and start buying those. I mean, some of these, some of these boutiques like, like Spooky, maybe like Barrel. Well, Barrel's had some issues with doing reliability, but I think they're getting better. Reliability is a big factor, right? Because if it's your first pinball machine, you're not comfortable with all the, you know, the serviceability of it and all those things, because that's the thing. When you buy a pinball machine, it would be stupid to walk into this hobby thinking, I'm never going to raise this play field up. I'm never going to have to replace a a return spring on a flipper or a flipper rebuild, like those things will happen. Things will break. It's a mechanical thing. It will 100% break. There's never going to be such thing. If pinball exists in the form it exists in today, there's never going to be a non-serviceable pinball machine. It's just not going to happen. Unless they change a lot of the tech and it becomes way different, which in that case I think we would freak out because the reason why we love the pinball so much is because it is this marriage of a mechanical thing with modern technology, but the mechanical thing makes us feel like it's different, right? Everything in our life is so digital, so that's why I think we love these things so much. So anyways, back to Woodgate. So Woodgate blows up. So now I'm just like, I'm gonna just have fun with it because I think it's stupid. Like, I don't want to say, I don't want to dismiss it completely. Here's the thing. Is it different? Yes. Is it a change? Yes. Do I think that these cabinets are going to start falling apart because they decided to manufacture them differently? No. Now, will they stand the test of time? Will they be as durable as the spike two cabinets? That is to be determined. And I'm not a fortune teller. I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know. But I also don't think that you are a I don't know. I don't know how much revenue Stern Pinball makes. Let's call it. They're probably a hundred million dollar company i don't know somewhere in that range i don't know that's just a guess are they really gonna go go and manufacture a cabinet that's gonna start falling apart i don't think so like they'd be stupid they like let's destroy our business and make these cabinets crappy now i don't think that's the case different yes crappy no and to compare them to ikea is kind of stupid they're being manufactured yes they're going to be assembled at the factory but they're being assembled at a manufacturing facility, professionally assembled with steel brackets that hold the corners, the bottom. I just don't see this as a big deal. And honestly, for me, and many of you, you play the games. So your assessment of a game isn't based on, oh man, they changed the wood and I'm not buying it. This is crappy now. And getting back to my original thought i factor in all the elements of a pinball machine to say whether i like it or don't like it it's really silly to me when someone will formulate an opinion of a game any manufacturer without number one like really seeing it and experiencing it sure we can speculate and do that that's fun to do but to like take one piece of it and then laser focus and obsess about that And then, of course, people in the community that crave this kind of negative energy will go propagate it into certain places. And I just don feel like it fair to any of the manufacturers I actually a little bit mad at myself that I maybe had a little bit more of an outburst towards Barrels of Fun Like Barrels of Fun stumbled with Dune They really really did But they made it right now. They corrected quality control issues. And I believe any customer that had a problematic Dune, I'm sure Barrels of Fun has taken care of it by now. So they had some, and they're still a young company with issues. But if we don't handle it, of course, as a consumer, it sucks when you get something that's a lemon. I can talk about I had a problem with my Walking Dead remaster, but it's how these companies react. And remember, we're a small niche hobby. We're not this big hobby where they're pumping out potentially hundreds of thousands of these. They're pumping out thousands of these. It's a very big difference in the amount of quantity that they're pumping out. And they're all still hand-built. But there's a level of tolerance that we have to have too. If something comes and it's complete crap, then yeah, we should absolutely talk about that. But anyway, so my Walking Dead remastered, it did come and I had a problem where I could play the game, but it was locking up. And so I bought it through flipping out pinball. I went to Zach. I was like, hey, what do I do? He's like, just contact Greg. Greg handles support there. I'm not I wasn't treated any different than any other person that would buy a game from Zach. And Greg's like, hey, you know, in this case, it was a little bit of a different circumstance because I happen to have a Star Wars Fall of the Empire. He goes, could you please swap out your Spike 3 in your Fall of the Empire, swap the SD cards and put it over there and see if the game works? He's like, your symptoms make me believe that there's a problem with your CPU board. I did it. It worked. um he then opened up the the ticket with stern as as they do as a distributor and they fixed it really quickly and no one knew that it was like for me so don't i don't want people to be like oh it's for retro ralph so therefore he's got preferential treatment no that's not how it went down my name in stern thing is ralph ronzio it's not it doesn't say retro ralph or anything when i when he opened up the ticket so oh shit i just said my last name oh that's not you guys know my name anyway so but yeah like so it's all about how the companies react no matter what ones they are and i have had problems with all of my games to some degree right i had a problem with my harry potter or turn spring broke like i know how to fix that not a big deal but those are the kind of things that we deal with in this hobby so it is interesting because i talk about this with kale a lot. Like, what's the entry point? Like, do you have to have some technical know-how to buy a pinball machine for your home? And I think the answer is yes. And I think that does prohibit some people from entering this hobby. And if you do enter the hobby thinking that like you'll, you'll never going to do anything to your machine, then I think that's, you're not being truthful with yourself. And that's not even, and it's not even accurate. Anybody that's listening to this, that has been in the hobby for a long time, or even a short period of time, you know, these games will have slight issues from time to time, and it's up to the manufacturers and how they support them. So, so anyway, so then I was like, well, let me have some fun with this. So I, I've been doing a little AI stuff lately, and no, I'm not. I get these comments like, oh, your channel is going to be AI slop. Now, no, no, I, I take pride in creating very high quality content for the community, but AI, I can do some things with AI that I can't do. Like, I couldn't say, I don't know blow up a pinball machine i'm not gonna blow up a pinball machine but if but imagine if i wanted to do something funny uh ai can do that for me so i could so i'm kind of having some fun having this like alter ego who's who's maybe slightly more edgy than me uh and he does these funny things so i write these scripts and i give them to sora and i so the scripts are coming for me like what the people are saying in these scenes are coming for me and then they put them together so i made a funny one about Woodgate. I'll play it for you guys really quick. I have a couple of them. I'll play them. So if you're listening to it on the podcast, you want to see the visuals, come over to Retro Ralph Live, where I host the video version of the podcast, and you can see it. But here, I'll play it for you really quick. So this was the one I did called Woodgate. Ladies and gentlemen, pinballers, hobbyists who haven't touched grass since 2019. Prepare yourselves for the biggest scandal in modern pinball history, Woodgate. How dare Stern Pinball change their cabinet material to a five-ply core with a composite veneer? I've got the evidence right here one nudge and the game is toast okay obviously i'm having some fun with it one nudge in the game is not toast we we uh was me kale me kale rudy surge and rachel we were banging on uh the walking dead remaster and uh no it didn't fall apart it was fine it was totally fine and it felt like any other game do i think maybe they should paint that top part probably like maybe they should have and i'm not saying to do that to deceive the community but it would have looked nicer like you drew attention to this change but with that said stern should really be better about there should have been a video and i know other creators have said this but i agree with this stern should have made a video you have jack danger he's this person beloved in the community people love jack right and they hired him to be this you know or not hired him but they moved him into this position to be sort of this like community liaison face to the company and what they should have done because the problem is human nature's right we're going to speculate about every damn thing about pinball and if someone's not telling you the facts then it's up to you to so if i didn't get the game then i wouldn't have had the facts right so i do get where there's like people speculating but then it gets then it runs away and turns into like this whole other thing right we're going to move on from woodgate here in a second So Stern should have done a spike intro to spike three and really deep dove or did a deep dive on both the electronics aspect of it. And then these cabinet changes. And sure, there would have still been people upset, maybe, but they would have had the factual data and not like, oh, my gosh, it's crappy. The other thing is I don't have the image is when you look at the boards, it looks like the boards are not touching each other. or it's crooked or something. They're not. It's just the edge is painted black. So if you look at a picture, it looks like the boards are like not touching. So then people were like, look, they're uneven, but see what I mean? Like no one tries to get the data sometimes and then they lose their mind. And I just feel like we have to have a bit of, more of a level head. Cause if like, if we beat up every company, like people have been beaten up Stern lately, like they wouldn't be any companies left because everyone would be so freaked out not to buy anything. But I could nitpick every company. Like there's something I'll give you, and I'm not trying to bag on Spooky, but I feel like let's bag on everybody. If we're going to bag on Stern and nitpick little stupid things, Spooky has this really dumb thing that I hate about Evil Dead. When you lift the play field on your Evil Dead, right, if you lift it up, take the glass off, your latches cannot latch the lock bar back on unless you have someone hold your latches up and then someone lower the playfield into place. Because if you don't and the latches are down and you try to put the playfield back, you cannot latch your lock bar on. That's a poor design choice that they made on that game. I haven't heard one person talk about that. You know what I mean? So it's like cool to hate Stern right now and I don't get that because, I don't know, maybe it's their time to get beat up. And sure, we don't love all the decisions that they make. And you could say that there have been some cost-cutting things lately that do aggravate me a bit too, right? Because I do like buying the LEs sometimes if I have the means to buy them. I do, because I am one that has powder-coated games. I upgrade the audio all the time. I always put Dan's pinwoofer system in it. I put the headphone jack. I put the speaker, the better speakers. I do all those things. I put the Artblades. I have put the expression lights in my Metallica Remastered. So when you do all that, You do start to add it up in your head and be like, maybe with an LE, at least today, you're kind of paying for the convenience of the fact that you don't have to do a lot of those things. I still would put a pinwoofer in it because I really like good audio, and I think these companies do a lot, all of them. I mean, look at what Barrels did with Dune. They try to bring you this cinematic experience, and an audio system really helps unlock that and give you that full capability. So anyway, so I had a little bit more fun with it, with this. I took it a step further and did this thing where I pretended I was like an executive at Stern, like some kind of representative. So I'll play that really quick. I was just having some fun with it. And it was maybe my way of like trolling back in a little bit of ways, even though it wasn't like towards me. I just thought it was stupid how certain people were reacting. So I just decided I'd do this. So here's another one of those videos. I honestly don't get why the community is freaking out. I get the flat plastics. We're trying to do better. I give them all the code they want. I gave them home leaderboards. I even lied to George and told him he was going on. We are pinball jokes on him. It was Kerry Hardy. I'm doing everything I can. People just play the damn games, please, for the love of God. So that's me in Stern's conference room addressing the the board at Stern. And yeah, man, I just and I thought it was funny to say that I actually I checked with Cengiz first. I was like, hey, man, would Don or anybody get upset with this? I'm really just having fun. And he's like, no, dude, this is awesome. Like, please post it. So I did. And then I got like, then I was like bored one day. And I'm like, man, everyone calls me a stern shill. I could probably write a fun script around that. Now, this didn't come out exactly how I wanted it. But here, I'll play this one for you real quick. And then we'll move past the Woodgate thing, because we've been talking about it for 26 minutes. I don't know what's wrong with me, Doc. All I can say is nice things about stern pinball. Don't worry, Ralph. These shill pills will have you being a total overly critical prick in no time. Well, here's to my next rant. Okay, so I had a better one. AI kept making me talk as the doctor. So it's not perfect, but Sora is pretty funny. I have one more, and then I promise we'll move on. This was because everyone says I love all games, so I thought this was kind of fun, too, so I put this one together. This one I'm kind of unhinged, and it didn't come out quite how I wanted it to, but here we go. Guys, I don't love every game. There are games I can't stand. Wanted to prove it to you? is this good enough see there are you happy now okay so clearly unhinged but anyway so i'm having a i'm having a blast with that i just think it's fun to uh to have this like alter ego where i can kind of like comment back because it's just not really in my nature to like be argumentative really that much i mean i will if it's something i'm really hung up on, but let's move on beyond the Woodgate thing. I think a lot of it's been addressed. And, you know, but I will say George shouldn't have. And if you haven't seen Kerry Hardy's interview with with George Gomez, please do. Please check it out. He did a really great job interviewing him. And George addresses a lot of the issues. Now, George is like a seasoned vet in this in this industry. He's done so many things to help and move and propel pinball forward. and he and he's also an engineer right so it's like when you're an engineer your attention to detail is it has to be spot on and and he goes and addresses all these things and concerns and i think he puts most of them to rest which should make people feel comfortable that you're you know if you decide you're going to invest in a stern machine you're not going to like it's not going to fall apart on you or anything like that uh one more thing that i want to address just because I do have an engineering background and I currently manage managers that manage engineers, but I used to be one. I used to be a pre-sales engineer. So I would walk around, I would roll around a territory with an account executive and I'd be the smart guy. And my goal was to go into a company and explain how our technology would solve a business problem, right? But it was tech. We were selling hardware. It's data storage hardware, right? Think petabytes of information in like a 3U rack, right? Really small. But for enterprise customers, big industry, big customers, think like meta, like we have technology in companies as large as meta or SpaceX or people like that. So with that said, I was curious about, you know, there's been some people that have been like, I can't believe they put a Raspberry Pi in a Stern machine. Well, if you've never opened the backbox of almost anybody else's machines, a lot of them nowadays run on PCs, little China PCs, those little mini PCs, right? Which you could say that's crappy, right? But it's not. It's not crappy. It's just it's a cost-effective way to run your software and interact with some of the other board systems that make up your game, right? And then there's things like Fast, which is more of a specialized system, similar to Sterns, right, which uses boards that are expansion boards, Stern has architected their own technology called Spike 3. In that backbox CPU, there is a compute module. So the CPU board themselves is a manufactured to a certain spec board, which interfaces with the other Spike 3 boards. The compute module, which is a commercial offering, which is this board that's customized, a custom board that you can integrate into a commercial application. It is not the Raspberry Pi that you would put like RetroPie on and play retro games. It is a specialized device that you can order from Raspberry Pi that has CPU, it has RAM on it, it can have a Wi-Fi chip on it. So its purpose in a Stern machine, at least in Spike 3, is more processing power, GPU, it's driving some of the HDMI stuff, but it's not driving the rest of the pinball machine. It is processing power, but it's a piece of it. It's not like they threw a, it's not like you're going to open up your Spike 3 game and there's going to be a Raspberry Pi, like, you know, sitting back there. It's a Pi module, which I think is actually quite genius because they're using the Pi 4 module with, I think, eight gigs of RAM, pretty decent CPU and GPU, more than enough to run a pinball machine. And they're using the Pi 4 module, which there's Pi 5 modules now too. So there's an expansion capability. if they need more processing power, they could probably, with very minimal changes, use their customized Spike 3 board and put a different compute module on it. They run relatively cool. They don't get super hot. You don't really need a fan on it. So it's actually a perfect thing. Now, these compute modules, they're in many consumer electronics devices, definitely commercial-grade stuff. So again, another nothing burger that everyone's like, but it makes me upset to say, and it would make me upset about any of the manufacturers. That'd be like me saying a spooky game runs on a cheap China PC and that's it. It's a piece of it, and it's not cheap, but it is a piece of their system, but they have customized boards. They've put their own engineering work into it. So to minimize it to just it's got a Raspberry Pi is misinformation, and that bothers me as someone that used to have to be really detailed with customers so they understood what technology they're getting. Again, Stern should be doing this, not me on this podcast. And quite frankly, so I guess in a way, if you're the marketing department of Stern and you're not doing this stuff, then I guess it would be expected that there gonna be some people that maybe aren as technology savvy that are gonna take it and go it a Raspberry Pi and call it a piece of shit But I just feel like that unfair And I someone that wants the data so I can deduce it down into something usable and go well here what it really is And I'm not going to freak out until I actually know. That's me. So anyways, so that's my rant on all of that. Now let's get into a couple other topics. If you haven't heard, we're doing an award show, the Roundtable. So the JBS show is where we host the Roundtable podcast, and we are going to do our own award show. We're still like kind of getting all the categories in order so we can do it. It's not meant to compete with the Twippies. We just felt like it'd be fun to do our own show. I decided not to do the Twippies this year. I just felt like it was getting overly complex, and the guys and I were talking, and we were like, let's just do our own award show that's just really simplified. and it's not live, but there's going to be official voting. We decided we're not going to do really complex voting system. It's going to be a popular vote, but we found a voting system. We're still trying to, we're still sort of evaluating the voting system to make sure it's not one that can be gamed and all that. But I just thought it'd be great for someone to simple go in, a simple form, vote for your items and move on. I got a lot of feedback from the Twippies where people were like, I'm confused. I don't know what to do. So we wanted to simplify that. So that's what we're doing and we felt like popular vote and we're not discluding any um content creators or anything like that we are we are selecting those people though so we can't we can't have everybody on it but we're going to try to have uh the bulk of the content creators on it for those types of awards and uh and no one's discluded so as far as like certain creators or anything like that so anyway so that that's exciting and fun so you'll you'll hear more about that as as time goes But I'm excited because there's a really cool dynamic between me, Kale, and Jamie. We've become good friends. And so hopefully that comes out in the podcast. And I think I get a lot of feedback saying I really like it. It feels like you guys are just hanging out talking pinball. And that's really what it is. We get on. We have a little shared document where we throw in some ideas. And we loosely follow that as a guideline. And sometimes we go off on tangents. But that's what's fun. It's like three guys hanging out talking about pinball. Very similar to how the Triple Drain guys do it. You feel like you're hanging out with them talking pinball. That's what we wanted to do, and that's what we're going to hopefully bring to the award show. So yeah, so there'll be more on that as that develops. And then one other thing I want to talk about. So I've been ever since – so I'll give you the quick rundown. So Aaron from Fast Pinball, because his system is actually integrated into Predator. So Pinball Brothers partnered with Aaron over at Fast Pinball to bring to a new level of reliability to the Pinball Brothers platform. And Aaron, on his way to Expo, brought a Predator to Electric Bat so we could all play it. And they did a really cool event where you could go sign up. The game was only there for like four or five hours, I think. And you could sign up and play Predator before Expo. And when I played it, I was like, man, this is a little, this is better, like a lot better than I thought. And now I'm playing it in a loud arcade, but it's just like I love Predator as a movie. So I didn't see the new Badlands one yet, but Rudy tells me it's really good. So I need to go. Or I don't know if he said really good, but he said it was way better than he expected. So I definitely want to go check out Badlands because I'm a big Predator fan. I love all those. I grew up in that era of all those 80s action larger than life, you know, Rocky, Predator, Rambo, like those kinds of things. so naturally I love Predator um I know I've talked about this on other podcasts I love the Alan Silvestri soundtrack I'm a big fan of Back to the Future that was as a kid my first introduction to like Alan Silvestri and I I remember like listening to the Back to the Future soundtrack it's just it there's something about the way he orchestrates things that just excite you right the the the energy that his sound his that the orchestrated soundtrack adds to the movie i think if it wasn't there it wouldn't be the same same with predator like it's just a cool even though jamie i don't know jamie said it doesn't hold up but i think he i think he redacted that statement but um to me i love it so when i played it i enjoyed it when i played it again at expo enjoyed it and i just kept thinking about it i was like man is this a game that just got completely overlooked. And granted, they're not making a lot, and I think they had a lot of things working against them. Tariffs at the time were really kicking in, and so to get one, you were paying a little extra. I think they've worked some of that out because they have a distribution point somewhere in Pennsylvania now, I think. So anyways, I got to talking to a couple of buddies of mine in the industry, and I was like, do you happen to have a Predator? I don't need the trophy version. I just really want one. and I just I need to I need to have it at my house and I need to see what this is all about and so I bought a predator I have one and uh man the theme integration is really good yeah Arnold's not in it but the they took a lot of the iconic scenes and they put it into the game but not only that there was a Daniel over at pinball brothers I guess they're all all of the guys over there i guess are really big predator fans they did something with this game really well and i'm going to try to explain it and if you haven't played it in a place where you can fully hear it then you probably didn't get the chance to appreciate it in this way he was uh pinball news has a video where daniel i don't know where they are but daniel's explaining to an audience what one of their goals were when they made the game and they were like the the movie goes from slow to intense and then back to slow. Like there's a lot of drama, like this dramatic, what's going to happen next. And they really did that with the game. There's periods where the game is kind of slow, but then you enter a mode or you're on a mission and all of a sudden it gets loud and chaotic and the music and the lighting go with it. And so that's one reason why I really like it. The other reason is it's very different than mostly everything out there. The only thing I can kind of say people that are going out of their way to create these like very interesting and unique ball paths I would say that uh barrels of fun is doing that with dune and with winchester and they did something very similar with predator like it's not an easy shooter and it's this is where I get a little where I'm like it's definitely not for a I don't know if a casual player that really doesn't play a lot of pinball is gonna love it but someone that plays a lot of pinball and you don't get frustrated by unique layouts, once you find the shots, it's really cool. But I do think some people would step up to it and go, eh, I don't know because I need, I'm not, you know, because some people get frustrated with unique layouts. They're like, ah, it's too much for me. And sometimes the code is overwhelming too. But I really like it. So you're going to see a live stream from me on it. If I can find the time, right now work is totally crazy, But if I can find the time, I'm going to definitely try to do like a full video on it, kind of showcasing all the elements of it. But they just it pains me in a way to know that this game was so overlooked and it's probably going to continue to be overlooked. But I hope to change that. I hope to at least open people's eyes to, wow, this is a lot better than people think. And so far, I've had no real reliability issues. As a matter of fact, I got the like standard edition one. I don't even know how many of those they're actually making, but I wanted to add a shaker motor because there's no shaker motor in it. And so I asked Aaron, I was like, hey, I see the shaker motor board because again, it's fast pinball system that's being used as their platform now. I was like, how hard would it be for me to add a shaker? And he's like, it wouldn't really be hard at all. And so I got my first taste of the fast pinball system and this is how easy it was. Now there was some like tinkering I had to do, but for the most part, it was pretty easy. so i you hook up an ethernet cable to one of the free ports you put your expansion board on which is the board that drives the shaker you plug it into power which is very easily identified on their board system at that point you connect it to the shaker um there's a little wire harness you connect two wires to your shaker motor and you're off and running a positive and a negative and it just worked and i was very impressed by that because i thought this was going to be a big undertaking, but it wasn't. It was really simple. So now, and I'm running the latest 9.0 code. I was talking to Daniel over at Pinball Brothers. There's going to be another update coming either before Christmas or slightly after Christmas. So I'm excited about that. But man, I do think it's going to be, it's one of those sleeper games that I hope more people get exposed to because Pinball Brothers, I think, had a little bit of a spotty past with, and keep in mind that Pinball Brothers has only been around since 2020. So I think their first game came out in 2020. Now, we shouldn't accept bad, you know, tech or problems, but it appears that this was a major move by them to create more reliable games. And so, yeah, like anything, if you're the early adopter of any technology from a new company, you're going to probably experience some stumbles. If anybody was looking to get into any new technology, like if tomorrow someone came out with a new iPhone competitor. And it was brand new. And their goal was to, you know, meet the expectations of an iPhone owner. You might be a little bit of the guinea pig of their growing pains. And I think this Predator release is them kind of putting a stake in the ground on reliability. Now, was it perfect? No, I had a couple little small problems. I had where the camp is, the ball was getting stuck there. I had to slightly, just slightly bend this one piece of metal up and then it was fine. Uh, I had one other problem where one of the ramps might've shifted or one of the wire forms might've shifted in, um, cause to keep in mind, it came from Sweden. So it's probably been like gone through the ringer before it got to me and I had to loosen up a screw, slightly move the wire form, tighten it back down and that was fixed. So, you know, it's not perfect. Right. And, uh, but I don't, you know, I've had sterns like that too, where I've had a little something slightly off and I had to tighten something or move something. So I love seeing these companies do well. And then you have a bunch of these other, you know, I got very happy for David David Van Es when Winchester Mystery House did as well as it did. To sell that game out is awesome. And I think they're making, now they've got, they're hitting their stride and they're starting to figure it out. Spooky took a long time, right? I think the early spooky stuff was pretty rough. Evil Dead was pretty reliable. I have a knock on wood. I have not had a problem with my Evil Dead. The only problem I had was one of the Deadites wasn't registering. It was popping up, but it wasn't registering. Now, Luke has this, like, I don't know, it's like this freaking nuclear power plant of a shaker motor in there, and I think it just rattled the connector loose. Sure enough, I lifted up the playfield, the connector was loose, I put the connector back on, it works like a champ now. So that was a problem I had with my Evil Dead. But going back to my original thought if you get into pinball you're gonna this is a it's a mechanical device like you're gonna have problems from time to time so it is what it is but i don't i want to be reasonable with my approach to things and that's that's that's what you're always gonna get from me i'm not gonna um i'm not gonna overlook major issues if there's major issues but so far i have not seen anything that would indicate there's a major issue with evil dead or there's and again there might be keep in mind they make a thousand evil deads or 900 or whatever it is if there's like 10 of them that have it have issues that's not bad right that's not bad if you don't know what that percentage is what is that like 0.05 or something like that i don't know i'm not that good at math but and it sucks when you're the receiving end of that like when i was kind of pissed about my walking dead remastered i but but but i put it into perspective a little bit because i was like i've owned about 23 stern machines in total that have circulated through my garage arcade I really haven't had any major issues with one yet. This was kind of the first one that I would consider a major issue, because if you can't play it and the game locks up, that's a major issue. Now, if Stern Spike 3s were failing all over the place, then that would be something to talk about. Doesn't appear to be the case. I have seen other instances of people having problems, but it hasn't been like a widespread thing. And Stern's been quick to address them, so that's good. But, you know, I'm not giving them a full pass here, because it wasn't very good that Star Wars got out into the wild and Death Star was rejecting balls. So keep in mind, if you do own a Star Wars Fall of the Empire, there is now a fix for it. There's a fix kit, but you'll have to open up a ticket with Stern. I opened up a ticket right away. I think it's coming today. So I'll let you know if that works. Again, I don't know yet because I didn't test it. So I'm not going to sit here and go, it doesn't work and shit because I haven't tested it yet. but if it doesn't work then yeah i'm gonna say not gonna say it's shit because that's just not really my style but i'm gonna say hey they're still having problems and they still haven't addressed it properly but as of right now i don't know i'm gonna keep an open mind and hope that this new plate that they they manufactured to give more space to get the ball into the death star will prevent or at least reduce greatly the amount of times you get rejects in the death star because that's a significant part of the game that i haven't really been able to experience you can still lock balls in it, but you get a lot of rejects. So if you're not the best player and you're not quick on your feet when that ball comes back to you, you could be draining balls instead of actually doing what you're supposed to do with it, which is lock the ball in the Death Star. So anyway, so yeah, that's kind of where we're at. I did want to talk about one other thing, which is what's coming. So there's a lot of stuff coming around the corner in 2026 to be excited about Stern. I think we've sort of all changed our speculation on what the game's going to be at CES. It was originally going to be Transformers. That's what we all thought, at least. It sounds like it's going to be Pokemon. Now, keep in mind, I am not the biggest Pokemon fan, but I have friends that are younger than me that are freaking the hell out for Pokemon. So I don't, this will probably be one I will pass on and I will play it at Electric Bat. But I'm not really into that, into Pokemon. Like, it's not something I grew up with. It's not something I ever did. I never did, like, I do remember when my kids were little, they were chasing the, I don't know, is it Pokemon Go or something like that, where you could use your phone and, I don't know, find Pokemon or something. Like, I don't even understand the premise of Pokemon. So I couldn't sit here and have any intelligent conversation about it. But am I excited about it? Not really. But will I want to play it when the electric bat gets it? Yeah, absolutely. And then, you know, we got Jersey Jack is potentially doing, or I think the heaviest rumor that has some validity to it is Sonic the Hedgehog. I think that's going to be great. It seems like, I mean, I don't know how anyone could not love Harry Potter. It's their best shooting game, I think, next to Elton John. And so they seem to be hitting their stride, which is good because I think Jersey Jack for a while was making titles people were like a little lukewarm about, and they just weren't as excited about it where I think this demographic loves Sonic. We all grew up with probably Sega Genesis. We played Sonic and the thought is at least from the rumors that it's going to be themed on the original Sega Genesis games so to me that's going to be really cool and what a cool theme for pinball and if Steve Ritchie's the one doing it you know he's fast and furious with his layouts and designs that I think that's something to be excited about for next year I don't know what barrels of fun next game is going to be but um they seem to do more niche themes but themes that are still ones we really like the one I love to see them do is Goonies I don know that been sort of rumored back and forth but then there was also like a counter rumor that said that maybe Spooky had it but Spooky is going to be busy finishing out their Evil Deads They probably close to done with them at this point and they going to start production, I think, in January on Beetlejuice, which looks amazing. So we're getting really great games from the boutiques, which I do believe has been putting some pressure on Stern, the expectations but you know why i why i like stern so much though is really because i think they know how to make a fun game and if you're a player then sometimes you don't care as much about all the stuff under the play field you just care about the feel the flow the code and and how that how the game plays and they just do make great games now what i like to see them use more sculpts and things yeah because i do feel like them being the biggest manufacturer and definitely there's definitely a uh at least a feeling that they're they're interested in maximizing profit so they've they've which most companies would be but i do feel like they maybe cut corners a bit and they don't have the same flexibility in the bomb that like jersey jack does i mean when i talked to jack when we were filming the harry potter thing he's like you know And I'm sure some of this is a little tongue-in-cheek, but I do truly believe that he's serious when he says this. He will go to bat if it means that that build is going to be more expensive. Then he will go to bat with the ownership there to say, hey, this game's going to cost us a little bit more, but here's why it's going to be so cool if we don't take these things out so we should consider putting these things in. And they will make that choice to have that game cost them more to manufacture, to bring something cool and unique. to you. Where Stern seems to be more, how many things can we take out but still make it cool, but not as cool as it could be if we were to open up the pocketbook or wallet a little bit more. But then you start adding up the other value-added things. I love Insider Connected. So to me, there's value in Insider Connected. I enjoy that. I know there are people that are like, this isn't an Xbox. I don't care about badges and blah, blah. But there's something really cool when you get that achievement and you hear that noise on your machine. I love it. I don't go and like scroll my app and go look at all my achievements. I don't like I do look from time to time, especially if it's like a badge that I wanted to get from like a conference or this new thing they're doing where you can compete against someone else. The beat by score thing. But, you know, knowing the engineering behind it, I know that there's AWS server costs that they absorb internally to give us those things. And they're not charging us necessarily for it. so that's a value-added thing in my opinion now but we we had a whole episode where i talked about things i think they could do to put to put additional value in and i hope they consider those things because i do feel like the pressure is on them a little bit now whether they choose to ignore it and stay the course i think they'll still be fine but i think their biggest challenge right now is finding a theme that has major mass appeal that everyone's going to want because they've done some things lately that you know i think they thought star wars was going to be a bigger hit i really like the game but i can see where it wouldn't appeal to everybody some people don't like these brutal fan layouts and that's kind of what it is like if you miss a shot on that game it's brutal you're in like chaos mode and i've played with different pitches of that game you're gonna get that east west when it starts hitting those pop bumpers and sometimes it gets out of control and uh you know only the best of players can control the chaos sometimes And so that game tends to be, even though my original assessment of that game, it was more like, oh, it's an easy shooter. It's actually not an easy shooter at all. I don't really know why that was my initial assessment of it. That's the problem, though. See, I even became a victim of my own assessment because I didn't spend enough time on it. Now that I own it, I'm like, yeah, it's not that easy of a game for a casual player that maybe doesn't play that much. You're going to be challenged by the game. And some people don't want that. like Black Knight Sword of Rage isn't for everybody because I had a friend, I think it's Nicole Zeke, and I can't remember her husband's name. I think that's her name. I'm pretty sure she's been she's been someone that used to follow me when I was doing arcade stuff, too. And they've kind of made the transition over to pinball, although I think they still have some arcade stuff, too. They didn't like Black Knight Sword of Rage, and I get why, though, like I don't think that game's for everybody. Does it have a place in people's collection as you kind of build a collection up, I do think it could be a fun game to have. It's fast. It's like you're going to go down. You're not going to have your ball time. It's not going to be very long. And so, yeah, you have to take that into consideration. But when I had Labyrinth by Barrels of Fun, I felt like that game was really hard, too. Although I will say when I had that Barrels of Fun game, their first game and mine was like serial number three or something. So it was one of the first off the line. It it had some issues that I think they ended up fixing through the manufacturing process in later builds like i had to adjust the flippers where where they had to be had to be sloped down a little bit to really be able to make that right ramp shot on it so stuff like that and that game did feel a bit clunky to me in comparison to like dune and winchester they so they're starting to like smooth out and refine their designs so again like being patient with these companies and maybe when you if it's your first game you got to think about do i want my first game to be a game from a company that it's their first game as a manufacturer, you got to put that, take that into consideration. I'll share one story with you. I, uh, when I lived in California, I had a buddy, I did not have the money to be buying this car by the way, but he had a, he had a, uh, but I was like young and thought it was cool and whatever. So he talked me into, he's like, Hey, I have a buddy. I have a, this, this woman I've been buying BMWs from for a really long time. And she's got some used five series BMWs. She could give you a really good deal. And I bought it. Now, keep in mind, I went from like a crappy car to a BMW. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this car is amazing. It felt rock solid. The responsiveness, the speed, the features inside it at the time were amazing. And I moved to Arizona and I still had that car, but it was getting a little bit old. This was when Hyundai decided they were going to have launched the Genesis line. And I don't know how they must have gone out and got like customer records of people that owned BMWs. So I kept getting these cars like come experience the new Hyundai, the new Genesis. It's our like luxury brand, blah, blah, blah. And they even had this like special event. And I went and they were convincing us that this first model of this Genesis was going to be just as good or better than my BMW. And they had so many things that they just messed up. I'll give an example. the BMW I had if you put it through a car wash it was smart enough to know like it had a car wash mode and the windshield wipers wouldn't work obviously you wouldn't want the windshield wipers working in a car wash first first week I had my Genesis I bring it through a car wash it ripped the windshield wipers right off of it I was like oh shit I'm like in there and it's like it like ripped the whole thing off but see that was their first attempt now you could argue that the new Hyundai Genesis, they dropped the Hyundai, not that there's anything wrong with Hyundai, but they wanted to be represented as a luxury brand. So they had some issues as they scaled this new brand. And now I think people would put it in a higher bracket, like a higher tier, because now they refined it and they worked out a lot of those kinks. And I think these pinball companies are the same. If I think about like Pinball Brothers or Barrels of Font, like they are trying to bring a new product to market and they're a new company. Now, they have a lot of knowledgeable people. A lot of these people are industry people. But keep in mind, it's a lot different when now you get together and go, all right, now we're a pinball manufacturer. We're going to do this on our own. So yeah, just keep that in mind. But what a cool time period we're in where there's more pinball companies than ever before and they're offering unique products which are competitive to each other. So you don't have to buy just the Stern. You can go and buy a game from Spooky or a game from Barrels or a game from Turner Pinball. Turner's doing some amazing things. And he's like this genius engineer. Now, his problem is he doesn't market his stuff well because he's an engineer. Most engineers need marketing people to help them present their product in the best light. And I actually want to, at some point if I can, get my hands on a Turner pinball machine and expose some of these things that he's doing that are changing the game on reliability or things like that that he's done, innovations that he's brought to the table, which could make it easier as a first-time pinball owner. Even though his company is in its infancy, he's doing a lot of really cool stuff, which would help if like a flipper mech breaks or if you need to replace something on your machine. Like, hey, things aren't necessarily soldered on. It's more of a Molex connector that I can put on and off and then I can take the component out. That's really that's an awesome thing. That's a cool innovation. So anyways, I hope you realize that I'm just trying to make a case here that I am reasonable in my approach to things. I don't freak out about stuff until I have all the data and information. And I think that's what you come – and also my whole goal of doing YouTube when I first started was to share a passion. And that goal hasn't changed. I don't put my content behind a paywall, and that doesn't mean a dig to anybody that does. But I don't. I don't need to. And again, I feel like I have to explain myself. I'm not saying that someone that does needs that revenue or needs that money, but I've never asked for that. So I hope there's some genuineness in number one. And you can hear what I'm saying. It's genuine. I like to entertain people. I want my I want my content to be more of the entertainment. Hey, I'm a player. I'm playing the games. I'm going to give you my assessment of the games as a player of the games. and I'm not just going to take some little thing like the etching of, even though it is kind of crappy, the little etching of the little thing on the side armor of Star Wars and be like, this whole game sucks now because of that one thing. It's an element of that thing, and if you're a consumer, and that's important to you, you have to assess all that. But for me, artwork, I like it. I want to look at a machine and go, oh, this is cool, or the artwork on the play field makes sense to the shots I need to hit, So the way they did the art helps me there. But that's not make or break for me, especially if I really like the way the game plays. I may make concessions on I don't love this art package as much if I really like the game. And I just feel like that's a reasonable approach to pinball. But I do understand there are there's a collector end of it where they may maybe play them less, but they want like this the most beautiful thing in their game room that there is. And I think that's what Jersey Jack does. Right. But now Jersey Jack's getting to not only is it beautiful, but it's starting to play really well. And and companies like barrels like they really want to have an amazing presentation with everything, with lighting, with sound, with the art. And and they kind of nailed it with Winchester. Like, I don't really have anything about Winchester that I don't like. Unfortunately, you can't get one. I wish they would have made more of those because honestly I think that surprisingly was more popular than Dune was but I don't know if that's because the modern Dune gate movies weren't like nostalgic for us but I guess neither is Winchester Mystery House so I don't know maybe it's the haunted house theme people like that and they did a really good job like Jeff over at Dirty Pool his contribution to that game made that game amazing because to me the things i love is when you truly tie in a theme and you've got music and sound effects and lighting and the shots are fun and the code is good you just you just you have a banger right there and that's why i think predator will probably end up being a game that people seek out later they did a really good job with the lighting and the presentation and the theme integration. Even without Arnold, they figured out ways around it. You do see him in certain scenes, but you don't see his face really. So he's there, but he's not, you know, and they have a couple of audio clips, which are clearly not Arnold. They're kind of funny now. Like now when I get to the chopper multiball, like it's not perfect. I think they fixed it a little bit. Like they made it a little cleaner before it sounded a lot, a little goofy. And it still maybe does sound a little goofy, but I still love it. I still, I love it. I don't know. I just, yeah, I don't know. So, but I'm just a more reasonable, like I said, I know I've said it a million times, I really am passionate about this hobby. I really like playing these games. And if the gameplay is fun and the theme is integrated well, you're getting my interest right there. There's gonna be certain games that I'm just not gonna, they're not gonna resonate with me, like Pokemon. I don't even know what the music would sound like. I just don't think that's gonna be a game I'm gonna get excited about. But I have friends that are freaking out and can't wait for it. I also have friends that are like, oh my gosh, Fallout, that's going to be amazing. So it just depends on what resonates with you. But whoever makes Goonies, I'm buying that. I don't know who's making it, but if you make a Goonies, like that movie was a big part of my childhood. I watched it so many times. I have an older sister that's six years older than me. We used to watch the crap out of Goonies together, and we just loved it. And so I'm excited to see that. And, you know, Back to the Future, that's another movie, another Alan Silvestri soundtrack. The only unfortunate thing, and I know I've said this a million times, is I just don't know how Dutch is going to meet the demand. And it is kind of a bummer that, like, I think people that really want that game are just unfortunately not going to be able to get it. And that sucks because if they do it right, that's going to be really cool. And unfortunately, you know, technology wise and everything, I don't think the original Back to the Future really does the movie or the property justice in any way. It's just okay. Like, it's just an okay, forgettable pinball experience. So those aren't going to work. Anyways, that is all I had to say. That is all for this episode. I just want to make sure that you guys understand, nothing here was directed at anybody in particular. I'm just sharing my assessment of the pinball world as it unfolded the last two weeks. So I also want to say I'm using the original song again. because I was at Electric Bat last week, and I don't remember who came up to me, but someone came up to me and they were like, dude, don't mess with the theme song. Like, your intro song is your intro song. Why'd you mess with it? So it's back. It's back. I just played with it a little bit, but hey, I don't want to upset anybody. If you love this, then hey, put it in the comments. This is one guy, but he felt very passionate to come up to me and go, dude, don't mess with the intro music. I like it. So if you guys have any opinion on it, please put it in the comments. But hopefully you enjoyed this episode. Thank you so much for all your support. There's a lot going to be happening in pinball in the next six months, so plenty of stuff to talk about. I appreciate you. Thank you so much, and we will see you on the flip side. See you, guys. Thank you.